Understanding God as Everything

[dedicate]

Currently on this board there is some discussion of God being everything or how that could not be possible. Couple of things that should be explained.. and maybe a third.

Can one understand the limitations of words? For example, can one describe something to another that another has not experienced?,, such as the taste of some exotic food -- only by comparison, "taste like sugar and snow peas." Or another example of the limitations of words would be, if I say, "cat" the image you create in your mind may be different from the image I have.. So, words by their very nature are limited. This has to be understood?!?! - but it is possible that some will miss it, and others will get it, because I am using words.

Now.. there is the mystic vision. One very important character of this experience is Unity, an experience of oneness with all creation or God.

Now, those are just the words. The experience itself can not be related to another, except in relation to what the other understands and knows.-- "Oneness with Creation".. "Consciousness"..."God"..... There is really no way for the mystic to put what he knows into words. Still he trys, hoping that people will get the point without taking the point as that which is pointed to! Still he trys to put what he knows into words, the ineffable into something understandable.


Then, "God is everything".. But, he is not a pencil a rock a hair on the head of a monkey? Then those things would be God and not a rock or a pencil; those things would be independent, supreme, creators of galexies and more? A Paradox? This is what the mystic has said about it, through direct experience>

The Creator Himself, at one and the same time, knowledge, the knower, and the known ... There exists nothing which is not united to Him and which He does not find His own essence. He is the type of all being, and all things exist in Him under their most pure and most perfect form. --- Kabbalist Moses Cordovero.

Though the eye is small, the soul which sees through it is greater and vaster than all the things which it perceives. In fact, it is so great that it includes all objects, however large or numerous, within itself. For it is not so much that you are within the cosmos as that the cosmos is within you. -- Meher Baba

To see the world in a grain of sand
And heaven in a wild flower
To hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour.---- William Blake

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. -- The Koran. 24:35

"The enlightened mystic regards God as the real agent in every act.” -- Rumi


So we see that the mystic vision is characterized by 3 things at least.
1) The Direct experience of Unity with Creation or God.
2) The inablitly of the mystic to describe the experience via words
3) the paradoxical nature of what he knows or seees

More later

[bsmurph83]

Currently on this board there is some discussion of God being everything or how that could not be possible. Couple of things that should be explained.. and maybe a third.

Can one understand the limitations of words? For example, can one describe something to another that another has not experienced?,, such as the taste of some exotic food -- only by comparison, "taste like sugar and snow peas." Or another example of the limitations of words would be, if I say, "cat" the image you create in your mind may be different from the image I have.. So, words by their very nature are limited. This has to be understood?!?! - but it is possible that some will miss it, and others will get it, because I am using words.

Now.. there is the mystic vision. One very important character of this experience is Unity, an experience of oneness with all creation or God.

Now, those are just the words. The experience itself can not be related to another, except in relation to what the other understands and knows.-- "Oneness with Creation".. "Consciousness"..."God"..... There is really no way for the mystic to put what he knows into words. Still he trys, hoping that people will get the point without taking the point as that which is pointed to! Still he trys to put what he knows into words, the ineffable into something understandable.


Then, "God is everything".. But, he is not a pencil a rock a hair on the head of a monkey? Then those things would be God and not a rock or a pencil; those things would be independent, supreme, creators of galexies and more? A Paradox? This is what the mystic has said about it, through direct experience>

The Creator Himself, at one and the same time, knowledge, the knower, and the known ... There exists nothing which is not united to Him and which He does not find His own essence. He is the type of all being, and all things exist in Him under their most pure and most perfect form. --- Kabbalist Moses Cordovero.

Though the eye is small, the soul which sees through it is greater and vaster than all the things which it perceives. In fact, it is so great that it includes all objects, however large or numerous, within itself. For it is not so much that you are within the cosmos as that the cosmos is within you. -- Meher Baba

To see the world in a grain of sand
And heaven in a wild flower
To hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour.---- William Blake

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. -- The Koran. 24:35

"The enlightened mystic regards God as the real agent in every act.” -- Rumi


So we see that the mystic vision is characterized by 3 things at least.
1) The Direct experience of Unity with Creation or God.
2) The inablitly of the mystic to describe the experience via words
3) the paradoxical nature of what he knows or seees

More later

another thoughtful post, dedicate.

the limitations of words are important to understand - especially when it comes to conscious experience and non-ordinary states of awareness where we touch the ineffable. our language is designed to apprehend and grapple with the tangible - it falls short in dealing with the intangible. concepts are important and words are too - if the meanings of the words used are different between different people, it is effectively as if they each speak another language. this is a common problem, especially - for example - in any discussion of what some people stupidly call 'the paranormal'. 'sceptics' literally speak a different language to proponents because each term has vastly different connotations between groups (to be accurate, the 'sceptics' generally have no clue whatsoever about what is what).

one thing that doesn't help in discussing "God" is the anthropomorphization implied by the term "him", which so many people fall into the trap of, IMHO. how can "He" be a monkey's head AND a humanoid being, or even a man? it doesn't make sense, but therein lies a good illustration of the limitations of language.

de-personalizing the term to "It" might be more useful to some. or Brahman, the One, Nirvana, etc.

i prefer Infinite Oneness, or Infinite Consciousness, or, the One for short.

If "God" is infinite, then logically, we must be "God", or at the very least some facet of "It".

all roads lead back to Self, eh, dedicate? *grin*

PS - Lawrence LeShan studied mystics and added a fourth point: all evil is mere appearance (because all is ultimately Self)

:)

[dedicate]

Yes. You are definitely on the right track, but I think it was Nietsche who said -- one can not miss a step. That is you have an understanding of the Absolute,, and that is good, very good. But don't reject other's understandings just yet.

What I'm willing to promote, is the idea we are on an evolutionary spiritual journey... and Our understanding of the Universe and our self(ves) evolves along with it. So, every step is important, and it is best to see where one is and work with that.. And this evolution is primarily a group effort, though some move further quicker and some lag behind, we are all in this together so to speak.

personally, I see God as seperate and non-seperate both. And the Brahmanic view,, of him being neither seperate nor non-seperate, but both these neither too. I see God as impersonal (like the ocean, or the stars) and personal (father). And all these views are OK and true... (but none is true nor OK,,, also).. But this Brahmanic view is far too advanced for most people. It is best for most people to just keep themselves open at this point.

And of course,, Reincarnation has it's place here. I will bring it up before someone else does, because this theory of Evolving mankind, implies reincarnation,, if you didn't notice.

Just like to ask the spirit person -- of all faiths.. WHERE WERE YOU BEFORE YOU WERE BORN? Most every one today can understand the concept of infinite time.. no begining and no end to it. Therefore, there is an infinite amount of time before your birth, and if you were created at birth, then you did not exist for as much time in the past as there ever will be in the future. Think about it.

So there is that, and there is the theory that mankind evolves his spirit and understanding throughout time/history,-- and both points here can be shown. There is evidence for reincarnation AND evolution of the soul and soul development as a historical fact.. Humans as a culture/group/species have been evolving toward the ONE. The history of Religion shows this as religions become outdated and replaced by a more advanced understanding.. Monotheism replaced Polytheism, which may have replaced gross materialism.. Then came the Prophets and Enlighted ones (Buddhas) who pushed those understandings further along "I have not come to destroy the laws, but fulfill them.".-- thats what I'm willing to do, in my way, Not destroy anyone's beliefs,, but help them along.

[dedicate]

No body seems to like the Mystics view. Lot more interest in the Bramanic view. To be honest, this brings tears to my eye,, I have been found weeping leaning against a lightpost at the thought!

The Mystic view requires a heart,, and talk of love and devotion to the Being of creation tends to turn people off. I understand that,, most of us are still walking around in a suit of armour, afraid to show joy, bliss, love for everything! Our minds and emotions are suited for battle and the harshnesses of the day.

(I'm just waxing poetic, bumping up the thread. Don't anyone take this personally.)

[tannah]

No body seems to like the Mystics view. Lot more interest in the Bramanic view, to be honest. This brings tears to my eye,, I have been found weeping leaning against a lightpost at the thought of it!

The Mystic view requires a heart,, and talk of love and devotion to the Being of creation tends to turn people off. I understand that,, most of us are still walking around in a suit of armour, afraid to show joy, bliss, love for everything! And our minds are suited for battle and the harshnesses of the day.

(I'm just waxing poetic. Don't anyone take this personally. I'm sure every one here is extaticly in love with life, and not afraid to show it)

If you can say to yourself "I'm prepared to lose my ego life, the one I would have gone on to lead in the duality, for the whole person I know I am", and I am 101% sure in my heart that spirit won't let you down.

But how can someone reach that point unless they have seen much and it's been left wanting and unsatisfying?

Coming to terms with illusion is to yearn for the whole being. And so it can't let you down. Carl Jung understood the whole being. He even helped searchers find it being refined within their dreams. When we realize we have the most awesome creative principle/source, we will be thankful we incarnated in this universe! That realization for mankind would heal everything instantly. There would be no need for money or hospitals or governments. The road is long, but that is where we're heading. If one is going to have faith then make it the most awesome vision imaginable.

A person may find themselves in a hellish state of mind, but in the stillness and the many moments, the door is open, the next moment be free.

What kind of human is prepared to believe that the Creator is inclined to punish its creation? We do pretty well at punishing ourselves and others. The creator is only waiting for us to grow out of it. And, as it is the most charismatic real tasting allure, it will lure us step by step, into the person
it sees in us.

[geolaureate8]

God is Everything. If people have a god that is a finite entity, then that entity cannot be the Supreme Being because it must bow down to the great Infinity that is our Universe.

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[tannah]

God is Everything. If people have a god that is a finite entity, then that entity cannot be the Supreme Being because it must bow down to the great Infinity that is our Universe.

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So true. Even the ego needs a god. But the god that the ego needs is a duality type god, which is why the god of the bible and quran, for example, are both saviours and punishers, both love and jealousy, etc.

[dedicate]

Yes... There is only one God.. And God is Everything. It is only logical God is not seperate from Creation, then he would not be God,, there would be some place He was not found! Then He would not be God. Only logical. --- Then, All religions support this view. And people have directly experienced the reality of this view. Lots of evidence!

And the elite are currently setting the trap, for those who are waking up to the mystical vision.

The Elite understand, people are lazy and tend to go for that which is easy. They know how to manipulate a movement so that the people will fail to do the work necessary to actually experience and know the truth of God is everything. They will use propaganda.

They will not discuss nor promote The Work one must do to compliment the understanding which is soooo important. Exactly like we see today (I'm speaking for the West because I am a Westener and have first hand knowlege of Christianinty mostly) with the typical Christian who believes in salvation through Jesus, but does not set into practice what it is they preach! Thus the Christian religion has a reputation of being full of people who are harmful, selfish, greedy and licentious.. the exact anti-thesis to what Christianity is. So, I believe the Elite, are currently attempting to co-opt the Mystic view,.. the view a lot of people are waking up to. -- Just feeding us the idea, whithout the core values and pactice.

So, we should all be on the look out for this co-opting. Maybe we can add to this thread, or start a thread, pointing out how this is happening even now.

[dedicate]

So, what is this path? it's teachings and core values? How might one become a mystic? Not just say, "God is All, All is God!"? How can one develop the experience and gain first hand knowledge? Are there any religions today which teach this path.

I would like to promote the possiblity: All religions today teach this. All relgions today have been preparing people for this and have been teaching this. If one should dig deep enough and look around at all the schools within each tradition, then one will discover the mystic side of that tradition.

One very interesting school, is the Sufi school -- Sufism is Islamic, and I beleive is where we get the term Whirling Dirvish. http://www.nimatullahi.org/sufism

-- The sufi is one who is a lover of Truth, who by means of love and devotion moves towards the Truth, towards the perfection which all are truly seeking. As necessitated by love's jealousy, the sufi is taken away from all except the Truth.

-- The practice of Sufism is the intention to go towards the Truth, by means of love and devotion. This is called the tariqat, the spiritual path or way towards God.

-- Human beings are dominated by the self's desires and fears. Those who are ensnared in these habitual impulses are out of harmony with the Divine Nature, and thus are ill. As a result of this illness, feelings become disturbed and, accordingly, thoughts and perceptions become unsound. Thus, one's faith as well as one's knowledge of the Truth strays from what is real

--In order to follow the way to perfection, one must first rectify these incorrect thought processes and transmute one's desires and fears. This can only be accomplished by coming into harmony with the Divine Nature. This way of harmony (the spiritual path) consists of spiritual poverty, devotion, and the continuous, selfless remembrance of God. In this way, one comes to perceive the Truth as it really is.


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See how easy it is? Non-doctrinational! -- Almost non-denominational, thus the slogan,, all paths lead to the same goal!

And I would submit, the Christian religion is definitely a mystical religion. When the Christian religion is looked at deeply with understanding, one will find it is all about mysticism or deep expression of spirituality. And the Christian teachings follow in line with what is said by any tradition, be it Kabbalism, Shamanism, Buddhism (the compassion expressions), and Islam. So, I would submit also,, The Christian Religion has played an important if not central part in bringing the world up to date on the mystical realization of Creation.-- and will continue to do so for some time. Christianity is a religion of the future, too. Christianity IS a religion for the mystic or soon to be mystic.

[dedicate]

Christian Mysticism is a subject many many people ... of all walks are taking an interest in. http://www.christianmystics.com/basics/whatis.html


What Is A Christian Mystic?


As you find out more and more about the tradition and beauty of "Christian mysticism," you will also find out that there are people who feel the very term itself has to be highly improper, an oxymoron.

For these people, especially those of the fundamentalist nature, the word "mystic" summons up images of the occult, of otherworldly spiritual attitudes and belief or, more concretely, of concepts such as those found in "New Age" philosophies. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Part of the problem comes from the "Reformation" in which the baby was thrown out with the bathwater. In the Church's dark times it committed indiscretions and flagrant violation of human rights. Yet, it was the mystics who were themselves within the Church that perpetuated and kept alive the inner core and true spirit of Christianity. Many are highlighted in various places on this site.

The creation of the Protestant movement rejectedthe extremes of the Church, but ast the same time many simply turned their backs on the rich heritage represented by the mystics within Christianity.

So, what is a mystic? A mystic, quite simply, is a lover of God who pursues the beloved actively and deeply. This is not to be confused with the rather static and passive attitude of having been "saved" on a certain date and time on a calendar, as if that as that. Instead, it is the deep realization that the Christian life experience is ongoing and evolving as the soul moves toward its fullness and destiny in relationship to God.

To understand the mystic, one must abandon the popular and wildly erroneous notion that Christianity is simply a true/false test with just one question. To merely say one accepts God without doing God's bidding is exactly the kind of thing that set Jesus' teeth on edge in numerous exchanges in the New Testament. For a modern-day "Christian" to embrace the letter of the law and yet not to understand its essence is reminiscent of the Indian saying that a donkey carrying a load of incense knows the weight of the incense but not the fragrance.

In more human terms, a husband who says repeatedly to his wife "I love you," but does absolutely nothing to demonstrate that love by means of compassion or care or understanding or listening or deed is speaking through his action (or lack thereof) far more strongly than with words.

In fact, a mystic is a person who feels the presence of the Mystery to the core and when that presence is not felt feels as keen and painful a loss as a lover whose mate is somewhere across the world.

To travel in the world of the Christian mystic, one must discard concepts such as ego, pride and spiritual materialism in favor of adopting a sense of humility and hopeful expectation. It is to begin a great and stirring adventure that moves the soul from this life to the next. To quote Ursula King,

"The story of the Christian mystics is one of an all-consuming, passionate love affair between human beings and God. It speaks of the yearning, a burning desire for the contemplation and presence of the divine below area mystics seek participation in divine life, communion and union with God. This yearning is candle by the fire of divine love itself, which moves the mystics in their search and leads him, often arduous journeys, to discover and proclaimed the all-encompassing love of God for humankind."

One of the hallmarks of a mystic is her or his ability to inspire and transform others by their very lives, deeds and words. In reality, the Christian Mystic is simply returning to the very essence of the Christian experience at its earliest stage.

Jesus spent his life pointing beyond himself toward the loving presence which he called "Abba", which doesn't mean Father as the strict, judgmental figure of the past, but as a loving term, the nearest of which we have in English is "Daddy" or "Poppa" as a term of closeness and endearment.

Coupled with this, one must recognize that the Bible is not the exact Word of God, but rather a history that moves from an ego-centric view of God to a more mature and deeper sense of God's meaning and presence. This is very, very important. What "changed' between the earliest concept of an angry, jealous and often capricious tribal God and then into the God as celebrated by Jesus was not some sort of change in God's attitude.

In other words, somewhere between the Old and New Testament's God did not undergo an attitude adjustment or get a cosmic makeover. Instead, this radical change represents a deepening of our collective journey to God. Instead of piling on God the moral failures and violence of humankind, as was done, the Divine broke thorugh into hearts and minds. This reaches it's height in the person of Jesus of Nazareth, who lived transparent to the Transcendent.

Indeed, Jesus' message that the Presence was not out there somewhere, giving some sort of cosmic report card on his subjects. That Presence, according to Jesus, is here, now, available to all without restriction or need of intermediary. It is a realization and a teaching, revolutionary, that reaches across time. Not only did he spend his life demonstrating that, it was this very teaching that cost him his life.

With all this in mind, what is the most basic understanding of what it is to be a Christian Mystic? For that, we can search in a variety of places. First, in the tradition of the teachings of Jesus can be found within the changes and interpolations of the New Testament. Secondly, within the great body of spiritual writings by such figures as St. John of the Cross, Meister Eckhart, Theresa of Avila, Thomas A Kempis, George Fox and others from Protestant and Catholic and Orthodox backgrounds. Third, there are contemporary Christians from a variety of denominations and backgrounds to explore. Finally, and above all things, there is the personal experience, guided by the authentic words of Jesus and the writings of those who followed.

All of these sources exist as roadmaps, guide posts, ways to check ourselves as we make the journey of the Christian mystic. We should be thankful that others have blazed a trail before us, a the journey is based upon our own yearnings coupled with the mysterious grace of God.

For now, it is enough to understand that a "Christian" mystic is a person who finds the teachings, life and event of Jesus of Nazareth to present, for them, the clearest way to grow into a spiritual relationship with God. This is certainly not to make a claim that God's Presence is based on nationalism or accident of birth in this world in this or that region. Put simply, God speaks to the "many flocks" Jesus spoke of in a language and a way they can understand. What a Christian Mystic is suggesting is that in the midst different cultures and approaches, the symbols within our particular culture provides the tools necessary they find to make this journey. The Dalai Lama, when asked about converting from this religion to that, states clearly it is in one's best interest to remain within the familiar territory of their own upbringing, culture and understanding.

Briefly, it would be misleading to simply assume that the Christ Path is easy. To embrace the mystic tradition within Christianity as a Christian is to invite misunderstanding, abuse, and, to a great extent, persecution. Yet, no journey is without difficulty and, in this case, one has the encouragement of Paul, who stated, "Not I, but Christ who lives in me."



Ponder, then, these basic starting points:

What you see is not all there is to life.

There is that which is uncreated, which pervades everything, but remains outside the reach of human knowledge and understanding. This can be called "The Myster."

The intellect can entertain the concept of God, but not grasp God.

God cannot be reached by logic or captured by thought. Instead, one can only approach by love steeped in humble expectation of God's grace.

The Christian mystic is not known by his or her words, but by deeds and actions.

The qualities that mark the Christian mystic include devotion, being humble and without spiritual pride, refraining from judgment of his or her brother or sister and trusting that God speaks to the heart of each person in a way of God's choosing.

A Christian mystic is transformed and transforming.

According to the great mystics of Christianity, the transformation is a continual, ongoing process, an unfolding of the soul. It is not accomplished in one step, as in "being saved" after which a person can sit back and pronounce judgments on others. One's "work" has only just begun. It continues in humble service to those in need, in constant prayer and in the realization of God's Presence..

A Christian mystic seeks an experiential closeness to that Presence. A check-list of beliefs is certainly not enough to know God..


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On this board, I hear a lot of Gnosticism. Now, I've tried to enter these threads,, with futility,, because it seems that nobody agrees on what gnostism is? Is the above Gnostic? Is the above Essene? Are the Gnostics and Essenes Christian Mystics?

[dedicate]

So there we have the basics, the core teaching and values, as Christian and Islamic without the ceremony and ritual associated with each. In fact, most of these have to be given up, though they may return, one must sacrifice all for devotion, purity,,, and the four letter word LOVE> For no one will be accepted into the path of the Mystic who could let those outdated and overused ecumenics become more important than the goal..... self-less-ness.

then the adept embarks on a different journey with New Schools (Read Herman Hesses' JOURNEY TO THE EAST) and fourth ways, hidden teachings, scorned mysteries, and lesser known arts. If he/she wishes, for one may opt to take the more simplified road and temper all actions, emotions and thoughts with devotion, and be a mere Bhakti Yogi. But most of us will want the tools and need the intellectual instructions that serve our innate facination with the universe.

For this we have the paths of Rosicrucianism, Gnosticism, and Hermeticism. And the tools are those of the Alchemist, Astrologer, and Diviner/ -- This is our future... more so than spaceships to the stars and Federations of Governments,, that I assure you. TAT OM SAT

[dedicate]

At the turn of the last Century, here in America, we had a religious movement often known as New Thought and Mental Science. Many mystical writings were penned by Ralph Waldo Emerson, Phineas Parkhurst Quimby, Warren Felt Evans, and the Dressers, to gifted teachers and healers such as Emma Curtis Hopkins, Henry Drummond, Ursula Gestefeld, Annie Rix Militz, Prentice Mulford, Henry Wood, William Atkinson, H. Emilie Cady; to founders of religious denominations such as Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science), Charles Fillmore (Unity), Malinda Cramer and Nona Brooks (Divine Science), Ernest Holmes (Science of Mind), and Masaharu Taniguchi (Seicho-No-Ie); to prolific, best-selling authors such as Ralph Waldo Trine, Orison Swett Marden, James Allen, Emmet Fox (Friends), Joel Goldsmith, Neville Goddard, Uell S. Andersen and Jack Addington. This is not a complete list.

Today, their books and organizations are little known, and apparently buried by the PTB. It is sad, because these people were looking toward a not-to-distant future, hopefully, when manking could determine his own life creatively, abundantly. Most all these people on the list were Christian.

Here is an excerpt from Ernest T.Holmes' book THE THING CALLED YOU c.1948. p.56
The consciousness that God is in and through everything will enable you to see perfection and harmony in people and affairs. Know that the Spirit is right where you are. It is the very essence of your being. It is at the center as well as at the circumference of you life. Learn to sense the Divine Presence in every thought and act.
........ say:

The Spirit within me is God
The Living Spirit Almighty is within me now
Spirit is the sustaining Principle of my life
I open my mind to Its influx
I open my consciousness to Its inflowing

[clachan]

Thankyou Dedicate,very good posts,much truth.

The Perfect Man is a spiritual shepherd who guides mankind according to Gods commandments.He dispenses spiritual sustenance to all and sundry,regardless of their desire or fitness to receive it.

From "The Sufism of Rumi".....K.Khosla.

[planetsadhana]

yup good reading...

charles fillmore's "prosperity" is a book i have re read a few times...

[snapdragon]

I have listened to two Kaballah cabala kabala kaabala (different spellings for those using the search) audio books which I bought from the iTunes store...I really need to listen to them again, so E&OE.
I highly recommend these and suggest listening in bed with earphones as they require 100% concentration and no distractions as they are pretty heavy going and full of complicated new concepts.

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAudiobook?id=271999866&s=143444

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAudiobook?id=266531976&s=143444

I wanted to find out just how evil it is, but did not find a trace of evil.
It mirrored what is in this thread and what David Icke says about energy.

In a nutshell, they claim that the creator continually gives light which all matter receives, and that the creator has no ego and is only altruistic and receives pleasure in our pleasure on receiving and enjoying the light. It says souls have different levels of progression from basic matter at the bottom to humans near the top and needs to ultimately become like the creator and so become part of the creator. It says that ego makes us unlike the creator for all sorts of reasons, including feeling guilt and shame for receiving pleasure. This is why Adam and Eve felt guilt after they took pleasure in each other in the Garden of Eden and hid themselves from God. Ego is seen as bad and altruism is seen as good.

It also says that kabbalists have always known that reality is created in our minds. It says that quantum physicists now know about quantum theory and wave-particle duality, and that kabbalists have always taught this and that if matter exists in particles and waves then it can be projected and exist in more than one place.

It also explains how we see the world through 4 levels of filter and explains them in detail. We view the world through our senses in an abstract way. It says when Pedro Scotto (AKA Christopher Columbus in illuminati parlance) first went to America, the natives did not see the ships as they had no knowledge of the concept of ships or sailing or even solid houses. They only saw them is the abstract. They only saw a disturbance of the waves until the ships and men came ashore. This is also how we see the world unless we study Kabbala and gain our full senses and all of the light bestowed to us.

Also of note, is that Kabaala teaches that from 1995, kabbala should be taught to everyone and no longer be kept a secret and that the generation born after this date will be the last ones in the present world.

[pedsi]

One way to getting close to understanding what God is,is by stop using the word "He".:)

[clachan]

One way to getting close to understanding what God is,is by stop using the word "He".:)

"Abba" was the name used by Christ.
According to the Egyptologist Adrian Gilbert the Egiptians beleived the universe came into being as a giant orgasm like phenomenon.
sounds similar to todays big bang theory.

To call God father is an expression of respect and love,imo PC only gets in the way really.....

[kblood]

Even though everything is the essence of god, then everything does not need to be all knowing. That is like saying that our toenail would know all that we know. But everything has can reach a higher consciousness, closer to the all knowing. Being a rock it might not really be attempting to though.

Like everything in creation is the essence of god, so is every fiber of us part of our spiritual being. Every molecule of our body has our DNA. Our consciousness is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the one consciousness.

[dedicate]

What we have so far outlined is the Religion of the future. It is mentioned in the Bible as a day when the Law would be written on each person's heart, a day when the books and rules will be considered antiquities to the spirit,, outdated tools hardly needed.

This is the teaching that will unite the religions. If one were to draw three circles with one point intersecting, one would have the symbol of Buddhism, Christianity and Islam.

For a long long time they have appeared to be seperate, each going it's own way, leading each student along a different path, creating looks and means misunderstood by those not on that path (And misunderstood even by some adopting the path). But each leading one to the original source of knowledge but with this one exception.... now the student has experenced the original understanding by walking a path.

The new understanding is what is called mysticism today, the point where all religion meet, originate, intersect.

[remium]

Have any of you guys checked out 'all and everything' the encompassed works of the christian mystic George Ivanovich Gurdjieff and his Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man.
Also his famous pupil P. D. Ouspensky and his works ... everything touched on in this thread is taken to a full conclusion in an ideal suitable for the western concept of mind.

Ohh and check out J.G.Bennett also :)

[jrhartley3165]

What we have so far outlined is the Religion of the future. It is mentioned in the Bible as a day when the Law would be written on each person's heart, a day when the books and rules will be considered antiquities to the spirit,, outdated tools hardly needed.

This is the teaching that will unite the religions. If one were to draw three circles with one point intersecting, one would have the symbol of Buddhism, Christianity and Islam.

For a long long time they have appeared to be seperate, each going it's own way, leading each student along a different path, creating looks and means misunderstood by those not on that path (And misunderstood even by some adopting the path). But each leading one to the original source of knowledge but with this one exception.... now the student has experenced the original understanding by walking a path.

The new understanding is what is called mysticism today, the point where all religion meet, originate, intersect.

The unification of the religions will be done by concentration on their commonalities - not their differences.
The main religions are in broad agreement (that is to say, in the teachings rather than the institutions) on most of the main points. These are the least temporal of the truths taught.
However, the (true) teachings were given in different times, races, places and circumstance. They contain truths pertinent to the time and people. This had to be so, or the teachers would have been considered mad. It seems that the differences, although more fleeting in nature, have become the main emphasis, and all less temporal truths - love, kindness, generosity, tolerance etc. - ignored.
One problem is that dogma is instilled at a very early age, making it very hard to reason with. The differences are reinforced by the hierarchies of the institutions, and it is for the benefit of the institutions (rather than the laity) that the differences are emphasised.