The Devil- an illusion?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Here is an idea I have.

I stopped believing in the 'Devil' a long time ago, until I became interested in David Icke's work through a link someone gave me to the Arizona Wilder interviews (which have since been taken down).

Here's my thought, and I'll always keep an open mind about stuff until I know.

Supposing people aren't just being prejudiced against the Freemasons and there is something sinister going on at the top- some kind of Devil worship. Supposing demons can manifest, possess and supposing the entity people think of as Lucifer can also.

I think about the phrase "sell one's soul to the devil". I think about the vampyre legends.....that vampyres have no soul, hence no reflection.

I've read that darkness itself cannot be measured like light, but is simply an absence of light which can be transformed by a single ray of light.


Could the devil, demons, etc simply be an illusory projection of our collective thought forms going all the way back to ancient Times?

Perhaps Reptilians represent those who fell away from balance and empathy eons ago, but are not totally negative except the ones high up involved in all that ridiculous 'mumbo-jumbo'.

Who knows?

It makes me think of 'The Borg' of Star Trek.
Perhaps the 'evil' ones are just an illusory computer hologram, nevertheless given strength by our FEARS and belief in them. Does our own fear and belief make them 'real', allow them to manifest? Perhaps they are able to manifest as our projected thought forms....when our thoughts have been powerful enough, linked to occult practices throughout years, etc etc.

And perhaps some branches of the ancient Freemasonry have corrupted the truth into some sort of worship of these entities.

[freedomnonfighter]

I couldn't really disagree at all; I share the same view.

Truthfully, all of this is illusory projection.

Icke mentioned the Reptilians / top-Elite being exactly that, a reflection of aspects of ourselves. He discussed them being like The Agents / Smith in The Matrix, being nothing more than part of the computer hologram.

No one race is entirely negative :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

:)

[tracker]

Here is an idea I have.

I stopped believing in the 'Devil' a long time ago, until I became interested in David Icke's work through a link someone gave me to the Arizona Wilder interviews (which have since been taken down).

Here's my thought, and I'll always keep an open mind about stuff until I know.

Supposing people aren't just being prejudiced against the Freemasons and there is something sinister going on at the top- some kind of Devil worship. Supposing demons can manifest, possess and supposing the entity people think of as Lucifer can also.

I think about the phrase "sell one's soul to the devil". I think about the vampyre legends.....that vampyres have no soul, hence no reflection.

I've read that darkness itself cannot be measured like light, but is simply an absence of light which can be transformed by a single ray of light.


Could the devil, demons, etc simply be an illusory projection of our collective thought forms going all the way back to ancient Times?

Perhaps Reptilians represent those who fell away from balance and empathy eons ago, but are not totally negative except the ones high up involved in all that ridiculous 'mumbo-jumbo'.

Who knows?

It makes me think of 'The Borg' of Star Trek.
Perhaps the 'evil' ones are just an illusory computer hologram, nevertheless given strength by our FEARS and belief in them. Does our own fear and belief make them 'real', allow them to manifest? Perhaps they are able to manifest as our projected thought forms....when our thoughts have been powerful enough, linked to occult practices throughout years, etc etc.

And perhaps some branches of the ancient Freemasonry have corrupted the truth into some sort of worship of these entities.


well done !
thats what i keep trying to make a connection too with all these religious folks about .
the devil does nothing !
we do it all !

the devil desnt kill people !
people kill people .

saying

its the devils fault

is a scizofrenics coppout of placing blame away from the self and is bad practice for any human to adopt .

could an actual enterty arise from the combined powers of our subconscous ?

i believe so and if yo wish to call it "the devil" then so be it , yet at the end of the day it is "us" .

[rhydra]

“The line between good and evil is drawn not between nations or parties, but through every human heart.” – Dostoevsky.

Thought that was somehow relivant.

[haukipesukone]

Perhaps the 'evil' ones are just an illusory computer hologram, nevertheless given strength by our FEARS and belief in them. Does our own fear and belief make them 'real', allow them to manifest? Perhaps they are able to manifest as our projected thought forms....when our thoughts have been powerful enough, linked to occult practices throughout years, etc etc.


I think that evil comes into existence when you deem something evil. Nothing (at least very few things) is good or evil by itself. Good and evil are projections of our own minds unto neutral objects and events.

[armoured_amazon]

well done !
thats what i keep trying to make a connection too with all these religious folks about .
the devil does nothing !
we do it all !

the devil desnt kill people !
people kill people .

saying

its the devils fault

is a scizofrenics coppout of placing blame away from the self and is bad practice for any human to adopt .

could an actual enterty arise from the combined powers of our subconscous ?

i believe so and if yo wish to call it "the devil" then so be it , yet at the end of the day it is "us" .

I have to respectfully disagree that when a demon that has caused negative physical and mental ailment comes out/is pulled out of someone it is a projection of my mind.

:)

[kingmonkey]

I have to respectfully disagree that when a demon that has caused negative physical and mental ailment comes out/is pulled out of someone it is a projection of my mind.

:)

What would you say are the best documented cases for demonic "possession"?

[brainfreeze]

Voodoo works on those who believe and those who fear it.

[xpleet]

I've read that darkness itself cannot be measured like light, but is simply an absence of light which can be transformed by a single ray of light.

Do not make the mistake of comparing physical light with the spiritual duality of light and darkness. That is big illusion there!


The concept of the devil is very distorted today. It exists as a conspiring force (against all that is good and pure) that takes influence on the universe causing a lot of negativity and evil to happen.
Darkness is like a collective of children, offspring of the creational-famility of the true-light, children that have gone terribly wrong.

I think about the phrase "sell one's soul to the devil". I think about the vampyre legends.....that vampyres have no soul, hence no reflection.


There is a process of transformation in a spiritual way, where light can turn into darkness, which happens when one loses faith in good and "sells soul to the devil". This is what dark forces are trying to achieve by imposing horror over true-spirit.



I think about the phrase "sell one's soul to the devil". I think about the vampyre legends.....that vampyres have no soul, hence no reflection.


Darkness is not a phenomenon that is manifested through mass consciousness. It has first appeared as an energy form that was unwantedly created, which it operates like a vampire, trying to suck up- and feed from as much true-spirit as it can. It could be looked upon as spiritual-tumor or -cancer.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Interesting, thank you for sharing.....more food for thought. :)

[armoured_amazon]

What would you say are the best documented cases for demonic "possession"?

I don't/didn't refer to documented cases in my assessment.

[thirdwave]

Satan = gods advisory sent to prosecute those who sinned (bullshit story)
Lucifer = The Sun
Devil = dEVIL

[kingmonkey]

I don't/didn't refer to documented cases in my assessment.

I know,just wondering. I was interested.

[armoured_amazon]

I know,just wondering. I was interested.

I haven't really perused any documented cases in detail. :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

I think most people would agree that those that have been in charge of the world for a long time are not of the Light. In fact, they are dark & pretty darned evil. As they are wont to do, they have spread disinformation propaganda to make beings of the Light (such as the Anti-Christ, Lucifer & Satan) seem like the evil ones so that people will fear & not trust them. I know this is a radical take on things, but think about it. Free your mind from belief systems :-)

[phreedom]

One must understand that symbolism exists in words as much as it does in drawings.

This Good/Evil, Light/Dark, Positive/Negative, Yin/Yan, etc, are all just isoforms of the exact same concept, the one that binds us all to our current reality. It is Duality, as has been cited time and time again all over these boards.

Devils are simply the agents of darkness, entities or mindstates that exist in an effort to prevent progression, maintain the status quo and ultimately to control you.

Devils are Not to be Feared, as we seem to have been taught, or perhaps beleive by default. Our devils are simply FEAR itself.

I could expound for hours about the concept of fear and its spawns thereafter, but we must realize that those in power fear losing it, and thus steps are taken to maintain things as they are. Paint pictures of happy angels and evil demons and people will go to church.

Good job, now instead of thinking for themselves and dematerializing the mental cell that humanity is in, man spends half of one of his 2 days off listening to sermons and singing God's praises when he could be using his time figuring out who organized the church and for what purpose.

Fear is a powerful tool, as we all know. But Love, of course, is even more powerful. But is it not well-documented that many "fear" love?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Fear is a powerful tool, as we all know. But Love, of course, is even more powerful. But is it not well-documented that many "fear" love?

Indeed, and this might be going off om a tangent here
but
I wonder whether this may be a part of the reason why women and desire itself has been demonized so much in lots of subtle ways, by patriarchal mind control religions.

Some religious leaders and other figures of inspiration (such as writers like Shakespeare) etc were misogynists to some extent.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Any religion that uses fear as a tool instead of love is NOT of the Light. Just imo.

[tinmenace]

Could the devil, demons, etc simply be an illusory projection of our collective thought forms going all the way back to ancient Times?



Yes. Our collective consciousness resides in a dimension beyond ours (possibly the 4th dimension) and this is where our thoughts and beliefs create and sustain these monsters.

When we change our thought patterns and our belief systems, we energetically eliminate their existence in our 3D reality.

[lostinstrangeworld]

~EXISTENCE IS IMBUED WITH CONSCIOUSNESS;
BY UNDERSTANDING THIS CORE PRINCIPLE,
THE PARAMETERS OF THE GAME
OF EXISTENCE ARE FOREVER ALTERED~
- Pleiadian Times Fall Equinox Issue
I like your signature. :)

[tinmenace]

I like your signature. :)

Me too :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

Satanists are actually worshipping Mithra/Mitra, who is very dark.

[marpat]

Satanists are actually worshipping Mithra/Mitra, who is very dark.

Why is Mithra dark? the early christians stole some of their rites from the cult of Mithras, such as using bread and wine

[marpat]

Here is an idea I have.

I stopped believing in the 'Devil' a long time ago, until I became interested in David Icke's work through a link someone gave me to the Arizona Wilder interviews (which have since been taken down).

Here's my thought, and I'll always keep an open mind about stuff until I know.

Supposing people aren't just being prejudiced against the Freemasons and there is something sinister going on at the top- some kind of Devil worship. Supposing demons can manifest, possess and supposing the entity people think of as Lucifer can also.

I think about the phrase "sell one's soul to the devil". I think about the vampyre legends.....that vampyres have no soul, hence no reflection.

I've read that darkness itself cannot be measured like light, but is simply an absence of light which can be transformed by a single ray of light.


Could the devil, demons, etc simply be an illusory projection of our collective thought forms going all the way back to ancient Times?

Perhaps Reptilians represent those who fell away from balance and empathy eons ago, but are not totally negative except the ones high up involved in all that ridiculous 'mumbo-jumbo'.

Who knows?

It makes me think of 'The Borg' of Star Trek.
Perhaps the 'evil' ones are just an illusory computer hologram, nevertheless given strength by our FEARS and belief in them. Does our own fear and belief make them 'real', allow them to manifest? Perhaps they are able to manifest as our projected thought forms....when our thoughts have been powerful enough, linked to occult practices throughout years, etc etc.

And perhaps some branches of the ancient Freemasonry have corrupted the truth into some sort of worship of these entities.


Good and evil exist within each person. If you read the book of Job you will see that even Satan asks gods persmssion to harrass Job and God even removes his protection from Job at Satans request so that he can be tested.

Satan/ the devil is the tester of souls. It tests us for weakness that we may learn from that and overcome. The evil in the world that satan gets blamed for originates in the hearts of evil humans. People like to have a scapegoat though and satan fits the bill nicely. evil exists in this world because of human action and as humans do have the power to choose then the fault is entirely theirs.

Darkness is not an entirely evil thing. People fear it because it represents the unkown. Was there not darkness before light in the bible? does this mean that prior to the creation of the world that all was evil? the darkness can represent pregnant potential.

Demons are aspects of consciousness that have subjective and objective existence. They are fed by our emotion, which is why if you fill yourself with love, etc that you should be quite free from harrassment from them. Their true nature is unalanced force, which when balanced becomes good. Some aspects of evil are required to maintain the universe. You need some form of decaying, destructive power to break things down once they have run their course. They form part of the cycle of creation, death and rebirth/ regeneration.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Mithra likes sacrifices. He needs fear & suffering to survive. I am aware of the Christian connection.

I would also like to support my claim that Lucifer & Satan are of the Light.

The root "Luc" means light. Example:

lu·cid [loo-sid] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
...
3. shining or bright.
...
[Origin: 1575–85; < L lūcidus, equiv. to lūc-, s. of lūx light + -idus -id4]

"lucid." Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 09 Oct. 2008. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lucid>.

Root of Satan is "sat," which is being.

1. (in Vedic mythology) the realm of existence, populated by people and gods. Compare Asat.
2. reality.
Compare Sat-cit-ananda.

[Origin: < Skt: lit., being]

"sat." Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 09 Oct. 2008. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sat>.

So, Lucifer & Satan = Light & Being.

More on Lucifer:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

How 666 is misunderstood:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[marpat]

Revelations says 666 is the number of a man. We could take that as meaning any human male or maybe one who is aware of their true origin, ie. an enlightened person, the original Adamic archetype.