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gaias child

11-09-2009, 05:09 PM

No one is saying Michael was an angel but he was someone who had integrity and real love for humanity. I'm sure he was controlled by the powers that be but there is no evidence of Mkultra. I'm open minded if you can post real evidence. I haven't found any myself.

Michael doesn't think he is Jesus in this clip it is just a performance, he was a performer/entertainer. I don't get why people want to anhilate MJ.

The earth song lyrics are great and show compassion for all the life on planet earth and was written in 1994, 15 years ago, way before this was an issue. He was ahead of his time.

What about sunrise
What about rain
What about all the things
That you said we were to gain.. .
What about killing fields
Is there a time
What about all the things
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the blood we've shed before
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores?

Aaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaah

What have we done to the world
Look what we've done
What about all the peace
That you pledge your only son...
What about flowering fields
Is there a time
What about all the dreams
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the children dead from war
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores

Aaaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaaah

I used to dream
I used to glance beyond the stars
Now I don't know where we are
Although I know we've drifted far

Aaaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaaaah

Hey, what about yesterday
(What about us)
What about the seas
(What about us)
The heavens are falling down
(What about us)
I can't even breathe
(What about us)
What about the bleeding Earth
(What about us)
Can't we feel its wounds
(What about us)
What about nature's worth
(ooo,ooo)
It's our planet's womb
(What about us)
What about animals
(What about it)
We've turned kingdoms to dust
(What about us)
What about elephants
(What about us)
Have we lost their trust
(What about us)
What about crying whales
(What about us)
We're ravaging the seas
(What about us)
What about forest trails
(ooo, ooo)
Burnt despite our pleas
(What about us)
What about the holy land
(What about it)
Torn apart by creed
(What about us)
What about the common man
(What about us)
Can't we set him free
(What about us)
What about children dying
(What about us)
Can't you hear them cry
(What about us)
Where did we go wrong
(ooo, ooo)
Someone tell me why
(What about us)
What about babies
(What about it)
What about the days
(What about us)
What about all their joy
(What about us)
What about the man
(What about us)
What about the crying man
(What about us)
What about Abraham
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn

damienr88

11-09-2009, 05:25 PM

Watch the video from 6:32.... you mean to tell me you don't see ANYTHING wrong with that?

joe911

11-09-2009, 05:34 PM

Watch the video from 6:32.... you mean to tell me you don't see ANYTHING wrong with that?

What is your problem? After michael proved himself to be the greatest recording artist of all time,he wanted to become the greatest live preformer of all time.

He uses smoke and wind machines in alot of his preformanes,just check out this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnzvP08AfVE

His poses could be interperated as messianic,but that doesnt mean he thought or beleived he was one. When we preform they dont care about us live,we salute an american flag,does that make us patriots? When we do beat it,we have a gang brawl and a knife fight like the video,does this make us think we're gangsters?Of course it doesnt,its a preformance ffs.

gaias child

11-09-2009, 07:29 PM

Watch the video from 6:32.... you mean to tell me you don't see ANYTHING wrong with that?

I don't see anything wrong with it, what I see is with the children and people of different cultures hugging him is a message that we should all love each other and unite. I guess if you read too many tabloids you get mind manipulated into seeing something else. He speaks at the end of the performance about the rainforest being destroyed and children dying war, what is sinister about that exactly!!!!.

astrochicken

11-09-2009, 10:27 PM

The young michael was rented out and fucked up the arse by his father's business associates from a very young age.

I agree though and i think, despite the abuse, he did outsmart them.

damienr88

11-09-2009, 11:55 PM

What is your problem? After michael proved himself to be the greatest recording artist of all time,he wanted to become the greatest live preformer of all time.

He uses smoke and wind machines in alot of his preformanes,just check out this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnzvP08AfVE

His poses could be interperated as messianic,but that doesnt mean he thought or beleived he was one. When we preform they dont care about us live,we salute an american flag,does that make us patriots? When we do beat it,we have a gang brawl and a knife fight like the video,does this make us think we're gangsters?Of course it doesnt,its a preformance ffs.

youg ot it all wrong, im a huge mj fan and ive followed his career my whole life. if you can see his bad side you guys choosing to be blind. in the video i posted above he's acting like he's healing people. why isnt everyone else on stage as bright as he is. he's clearly trying to say he's jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpTFa-wGc4

^^THAT DOESNT REMIND YOU OF HITLER ALIL?

funkyjesus

12-09-2009, 12:11 AM

youg ot it all wrong, im a huge mj fan and ive followed his career my whole life. if you can see his bad side you guys choosing to be blind. in the video i posted above he's acting like he's healing people. why isnt everyone else on stage as bright as he is. he's clearly trying to say he's jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpTFa-wGc4

^^THAT DOESNT REMIND YOU OF HITLER ALIL?

Are you serious?

A musician, putting on a show, reminds you of Hitler?

This place is killing my hope that conspiracy researchers were the last bastian of hope for the world. Everyone is either involved in the conspiracy or helping hide it from the world.

By all rights, everyone on this forum believes they are the only free person alive.

joe911

12-09-2009, 12:18 AM

why isnt everyone else on stage as bright as he is. he's clearly trying to say he's jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpTFa-wGc4

^^THAT DOESNT REMIND YOU OF HITLER ALIL?

Because people want to see michael,its not uncommon for the lead preformer to be distinctive from the others. Madonna is always distinctive from her dancers for example.

You clearly misunderstand michael. Listen to the lyrics of his music,they say it all.

supertzar

12-09-2009, 12:45 AM

Are you serious?

A musician, putting on a show, reminds you of Hitler?

This place is killing my hope that conspiracy researchers were the last bastian of hope for the world. Everyone is either involved in the conspiracy or helping hide it from the world.

By all rights, everyone on this forum believes they are the only free person alive.

I think what you are saying is way off. How can you watch that and not acknowledge that it has an overt militaristic, if not flat out fascist theme?

damienr88

12-09-2009, 06:02 AM

I think what you are saying is way off. How can you watch that and not acknowledge that it has an overt militaristic, if not flat out fascist theme?

happy to see, someone besides me isn't blind

gaias child

12-09-2009, 04:22 PM

happy to see, someone besides me isn't blind

It was the tabloid media who put out the stories that MJ behaved like the messiah in this performance and jarvis cocker jumped the stage and mooned as a publicity stunt for his flagging career, this stuff was all over the tabloids for weeks. I remember it well.

I don't use the tabloids as my source of information, thank goodness and think for myself.

it is interesting however,how we all have a different perception of the same thing

blood money

12-09-2009, 09:15 PM

gaias child

13-09-2009, 08:01 AM

I'm not sure anyone is likely to decode that properly from that clip, I didn't but that song and lyrics of the song History is synonymous to me with what Mj army of love.

I thnk Mj speaking out on the destruction of the rainforest or children dying in war is not sinister at all.

Mj happened to be an global iconic superstar, this wasn't his choice it was made for him but he decided with that status to use his voice to help the voiceless.

The fact remains if we don't stop destroying the rainforest, the human race is done for, most don't even get why it is so important to life on earth. he was drawing attention to it many years ago. This is not like Hitler. It is people like Monsanto wrecking the earth and life with their GM crops that is more like Hitler.

chaste

13-09-2009, 10:21 AM

It was the tabloid media who put out the stories that MJ behaved like the messiah in this performance and jarvis cocker jumped the stage and mooned as a publicity stunt for his flagging career, this stuff was all over the tabloids for weeks. I remember it well.

Then why do you remember his career as "flagging"? Does "mooned" imply there was some exposure? Did the discussion of Jackson emulating the Messiah not originate from Jarvis Cocker's given reason for doing what he did?
Why was Jarvis so terrified afterwards - was he scared of all the eternal love?

The Narcissistic Type (N)

From: "Toward Self & Sanity:
On the Genetic Origins of the Human Character"

Copyright 2004 A.M. Benis

Gestures: Deep bow, accompanied by sweeping arm. "Joan of Arc pose", in which the individual's eyes are directed toward the heavens when accepting recognition in the limelight. "Narcissistic arms gesture", in which the arms are extended to the front or sides, with the palms up and the fingers somewhat spread apart. It is a pose often assumed by singers and by religious leaders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxrBe7kSvtk

6:50 in onwards - Michael changes into an all-white outfit and is backlit by a 'heavenly' light. His arms are outstretched in a crucifixion-style pose and the little children (and some adults thrown in for good measure) are allowed to touch him. Oh, and a rabbi or a Hassidic Jew?

quintal

13-09-2009, 12:27 PM

Watch the video from 6:32.... you mean to tell me you don't see ANYTHING wrong with that?

hehehe
well no.

And I'm very wary of satanism, if you care to believe me on this.
I see satanism pretty much everywhere.

But, although michael in this clip is clad all in white and spreading his arms like a crucified man he isn't being worshipped by the people but just shown affection. And when the rabbi comes close it is michael who kisses the rabbi in a sign of submission, not the rabbi who kisses MJ.

If MJ was impersonating Jesus in this scene the rabbi would have kissed him.
And there would have been other signs like marks of suffering, and adoration from the followers.

No this wasnt so much adoration I saw from the people and children hugging him, as love on an equal to equal basis.

The crucified christ in this clip is the earth and MJ is just a messenger, a glorified showbiz star but i aint seeing anything more.

If your christian buttons get pushed just because he's clad in sparkling white, spreading his arms in the crucified pose and getting hugged by adults and children then you got some splainin' to do not him.

And mind you, i do believe MJ was heavily possessed/obsessed but this clip doesn't show that on the contrary. It shows he took a bath of compasionnate love and dedication to service to humanity and the planet.

The young michael was rented out and fucked up the arse by his father's business associates from a very young age.

I agree though and i think, despite the abuse, he did outsmart them.

I'd say he out-souled, out-loved, out-spirited them.
As darkened as he was, he was carrying and spreading much light despite of the heavy trauma-based mindcontrol programming he received in his childhood.
If you take the whole of his work you can feel his constant powerful striving to bring love and light to the world.

You can argue that he was a sex-obsessed pedophile, a demon-possessed wreck and so on.
But compare him to the usual satanistic rockstars or artists.
He did carry light, and I dont mean lucifer-light.
He really was about love and compassion and service. It wasn't a pose. He was darkened by his past and his sexuality, he couldnt break free from it but he did do all he could to bring good stuff to the people.

You cant' throw stones at him for not having succeeded in breaking free and maturing past the angel/messiah complex. You can imagine he had a constellation of dark people keeping him used and abused and enslaved. It's not like it's an easy job that he chose when coming to that life.

I don't know if he came out at the top but he came out as one who never renounced to bringing forth good stuff around him. Who can claim that ? Props to MJ although i'm not a fan of his work and I believe he did molest children.

youg ot it all wrong, im a huge mj fan and ive followed his career my whole life. if you can see his bad side you guys choosing to be blind. in the video i posted above he's acting like he's healing people. why isnt everyone else on stage as bright as he is. he's clearly trying to say he's jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpTFa-wGc4

^^THAT DOESNT REMIND YOU OF HITLER ALIL?

No, it doesnt (guffaw).
This is the russian red army, the symbols are communist not nazi and he is turning the whole militaristic fascistic display into a farce.
When you see an army dancing an MJ ballet, you know there is ironic distance at work.
He isn't promoting militarism and citatorship but subverting these into fun, show and entertainment.
It is childish, fun, light hearted and cute.

And he did include the russian red army choir in the soundtrack, you can hear the "the hunt for red october" movie's title track. It's an awesome piece of choir music. For that I'm grateful to him:)
And get this, the underlying tone of this piece is christian not communist. Very strongly christian, more than anything americans could ever produce... or even west-europeans for that matter:)

gaias child

14-09-2009, 12:29 PM

Thank you quintal for your explanatory post.

chrysoprase

19-09-2009, 06:47 AM

Now that he's finally put to rest, lets talk about the other side of michael jackson that never gets light. Its pretty obvious that he was MK controlled and was a puppet. i always hear lil parts about it, but nothing ever in detailed.

I think that the control over MJ was completed about a year after Thriller was released.

I was listening to the radio when I heard the news of him suffering third degrees burns while filming the Pepsi commercial. My gut (which is usually quite trustworthy) told me something was quite off about this info.

It felt like disinfo. But I couldn't figure it out at the moment because the last person at the time who needed more publicity was Michael. What was behind this?

I have come to believe that the photo/film we saw of him, on the stretcher and already in the ambulance - waving his white glove goodbye at the camera; was the last time anyone saw the real Michael.

Because the next time I saw him in public (after his treatments) he was very different. It was like he looked out of his eyes differently. I think he really was burned (intentionally) but that something else happened during his recovery and treatments. First of all, his jawline was changed.

I think the last video he did before this alteration was "Say Say" with Paul McCartney. Look at Michael's jaw. It is kind of short. Then look at his jaw in "We are the World". It is much different. His head went from a round shape to to the beginnings of Max Headroom.

I think this could have been done without Michael's consent. Alterations of one's physical being is a trick of Satanists (for instance) because it makes the victim feel alienated from their own self. And makes control easier.

Two days ago Oprah Winfrey did a tribute show to Michael. She replayed a 1993 interview with Michael at Neverland. During the interview, Oprah asked Michael what the crotch-grabbing was about. Michael explained that he was just feeling the music. That bass beats caused him to grab his crotch (and he described what other beats made him do).

He then said that he was a Slave to the Rhythm. Immediately - at the exact moment he said slave - alarams went off in the house. The interview was delayed.

When Oprah remarked upon that interview she said that the alarm was never explained and she found it very odd. She supposed it was a fire alarm but had never had anything like that happen during a taping.

It could be a coincidence. But were his controllers listening in and jumped at the word "slave"?

I am always intrigued by concidences.

In January 2009 I heard someone on Coast to Coast Talk Radio say that the Illuminati would do a ritual sacrifice on a pop star during the summer solstice. It would be done to create a certain type of charge and collective energy. Is that why Michael was killed? I wonder if all the details of the autopsy will ever be released. And I wonder what was really going on with Michael for all of those very strange years.

And when he died I was sad about those years. But I was happy for him because he was released from all of that.

joe911

19-09-2009, 12:33 PM

I think that the control over MJ was completed about a year after Thriller was released.

I was listening to the radio when I heard the news of him suffering third degrees burns while filming the Pepsi commercial. My gut (which is usually quite trustworthy) told me something was quite off about this info.

It felt like disinfo. But I couldn't figure it out at the moment because the last person at the time who needed more publicity was Michael. What was behind this?

I have come to believe that the photo/film we saw of him, on the stretcher and already in the ambulance - waving his white glove goodbye at the camera; was the last time anyone saw the real Michael....

But after he recovered he went on to do his "bad" and "dangerous" tours,arguabley 2 of the greatest concerts the world has ever seen. Plus,dont you think that those who loved him most would notice if he had been "swapped"?

He may look different to some,but i dont think he looked any different,you have to remember that he had reconsstructive surgery after the accident,and was diagnosed with vitilligo between the pepsi accident and the release of BAD.

gaias child

19-09-2009, 03:30 PM

But after he recovered he went on to do his "bad" and "dangerous" tours,arguabley 2 of the greatest concerts the world has ever seen. Plus,dont you think that those who loved him most would notice if he had been "swapped"?

He may look different to some,but i dont think he looked any different,you have to remember that he had reconsstructive surgery after the accident,and was diagnosed with vitilligo between the pepsi accident and the release of BAD.

I agree, plus his dancing is inimitable one of the greatest ever, no one can do those moves quite like MJ. Plus his eyes from childhood are the same ones, eyes are the window of the soul

disorder2k8

19-09-2009, 03:33 PM

ndc777

19-09-2009, 06:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxrBe7kSvtk

6:50 in onwards - Michael changes into an all-white outfit and is backlit by a 'heavenly' light. His arms are outstretched in a crucifixion-style pose and the little children (and some adults thrown in for good measure) are allowed to touch him. Oh, and a rabbi or a Hassidic Jew?

I felt like puking watching that video.

joe911

19-09-2009, 07:30 PM

i think Michael always had good intentions, but being around greedy people and being a bit of a lock-in perhaps made him a bit eccentric/strange

he probably just needed some normal friends and the chance to go out now and again and get laid, but didn't get it.

I agree,in the trailer for this is it,theres a part where he's sat alone on the slope on the stage and it really hits hard just how alone he was. He had millions of fans who loved him,but there were very few around him who loved him for simply been "michael".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/kes1984/MJ104.jpg

chrysoprase

19-09-2009, 08:55 PM

But after he recovered he went on to do his "bad" and "dangerous" tours,arguabley 2 of the greatest concerts the world has ever seen. Plus,dont you think that those who loved him most would notice if he had been "swapped"?

Of course, it is all subjective. But my theory about this is that those who were of age when Thriller came out do not think that Bad or Dangerous ever measured up. Jackson himself was very disappointed with the response to both.

I can't speak to the concerts themselves. But rather to the records. For me, there was a real artistry with Off the Wall and Thriller. Anything after that seemed overly flashy/showy and with a contrived sincerity. Good music doesn't need all the distracting bells and whistles.

Anyways my theory is partially based on the fact that my friends agree with me - but that their children prefer Bad and Dangerous. Because that is what they were exposed to (and because it was geared towards them?)

Also, critically and sales-wise, Bad nor Dangerous, nor any album that came after ever achieved the half the success of Thriller. The number one selling album of all time and 378 weeks as #1 when it came out. So the public did not respond as well; and if you check it any music critics, from Rolling Stone to Billboard (and Michael himself) you can see how anything after Thriller was, while still successful, not nearly as much.

List of Awards Received:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_received_by_Michael_Jackson

I do think that those who loved Michael did notice something very strange happened to him in '83-'84. The media at that time played up how weird he was - so that is how this change was explained. I, myself, sometimes found it hard to even look at him when these changes took place. Too disturbing!

joe911

19-09-2009, 09:34 PM

Of course, it is all subjective. But my theory about this is that those who were of age when Thriller came out do not think that Bad or Dangerous ever measured up. Jackson himself was very disappointed with the response to both.

I can't speak to the concerts themselves. But rather to the records. For me, there was a real artistry with Off the Wall and Thriller. Anything after that seemed overly flashy/showy and with a contrived sincerity. Good music doesn't need all the distracting bells and whistles.

Anyways my theory is partially based on the fact that my friends agree with me - but that their children prefer Bad and Dangerous. Because that is what they were exposed to (and because it was geared towards them?)

Also, critically and sales-wise, Bad nor Dangerous, nor any album that came after ever achieved the half the success of Thriller. The number one selling album of all time and 378 weeks as #1 when it came out. So the public did not respond as well; and if you check it any music critics, from Rolling Stone to Billboard (and Michael himself) you can see how anything after Thriller was, while still successful, not nearly as much.

List of Awards Received:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_received_by_Michael_Jackson

I do think that those who loved Michael did notice something very strange happened to him in '83-'84. The media at that time played up how weird he was - so that is how this change was explained. I, myself, sometimes found it hard to even look at him when these changes took place. Too disturbing!

Thats all down to opinion really. Something like thriller had never been done before,and i dont think anything ever will live up to it.

Thats not to say his other work wasnt amazing,i think each mj era had its own uniqueness.Bad braught us some of the greats; man in the mirror,smooth criminal,the way you make me feel....
Dangerous brought us songs like heal the world,black or white,give in to me...
etc.............

I think michael looked his best around the dangerous era...
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/tour/bow/053.jpg
http://tinatinmusic.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael_jackson_bad_era1.jpg

chrysoprase

19-09-2009, 10:12 PM

I think michael looked his best around the dangerous era...

I can definitely see the appeal in those photos. On a visual level the pose is striking and the overall image is powerful. And his face is beautiful.

But for me; the warmth and sweetness has been replaced with anger and calculation.

Oh well, you know what they say about opinions...

And I suppose we all project a certain amount of our own feeling onto what we see.

joe911

19-09-2009, 10:24 PM

But for me; the warmth and sweetness has been replaced with anger and calculation.

Oh well, you know what they say about opinions...

And I suppose we all project a certain amount of our own feeling onto what we see.

I dont know really,i think in his last few months he looked very happy and was back to his usual warm sweet self.

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit/trailers/142.jpg

And yea i agree with what you say about what we project onto what we say,when i see photos of him personally i just want to cuddle him,you can see in his eyes just how lonley he was..poor mikehttp://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/1228_sad_person_crying.gif

damienr88

20-09-2009, 08:12 PM

I can definitely see the appeal in those photos. On a visual level the pose is striking and the overall image is powerful. And his face is beautiful.

But for me; the warmth and sweetness has been replaced with anger and calculation.

Oh well, you know what they say about opinions...

And I suppose we all project a certain amount of our own feeling onto what we see.

This site kinda goes into detail about what you said about michael being replaced during the pepsi accident http://mjnotdeadyet.blogspot.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-hidden-truth.html

joe911

20-09-2009, 08:32 PM

This site kinda goes into detail about what you said about michael being replaced during the pepsi accident http://mjnotdeadyet.blogspot.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-hidden-truth.html

The author of this blog knows very little about MJ.
The reason he looks different between thriller and bad is because he had reconstructive surgery,and a nose job and became vegeterian AND vas diagnosed with vittiligo,alot happend in those 4 years.

Michael was irreplacable. Just watch his bad and dangerous tours [post pepsi accident] And you'll see that he was still the same michael. He had fans who followed him wherever he went,i find it hard to beleive nobody would notice this change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmPe0ue9AyE

Its all for love. L.O.V.E.

Also a hugeeee thing that is overlooked is that moonwalker was made in 1988,you can clearly see its MJ.

damienr88

20-09-2009, 09:48 PM

Here's some more interesting stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLakcfz38BU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX_37Ne2nAc&feature=related

watch the whole radio interview if you can, a lot of good information.

chrysoprase

20-09-2009, 11:00 PM

This site kinda goes into detail about what you said about michael being replaced during the pepsi accident http://mjnotdeadyet.blogspot.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-hidden-truth.html

VERY interesting blog. Beyond that, I like the validation that it gives me for what I have been thinking and feeling - that a phenomenal scam has been taking place right before our eyes. I wasn't thinking that he had actually died, and then replaced. I was thinking more that an opportunity had been created to "take him over" and control him.

Funny - after reading that blog, I did a search for images of the Pepsi shoot. (I like to get visuals to formulate my thoughts). And something very interesting came up. A picture of Michael on the stretcher after the Pepsi fire... with the caption "Michael Jackson Dies".

When I clicked on the picture, it took me to an article about this most recent death. So, that photo was not meant to go with the story.

But I believe in synchronicity. So it has definitely made me do a double-take.

I will try to listen to the radio interviews (on my subpar computer).

Here is the search page that I was talking about:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&um=1&sa=1&q=michael+jackson+pepsi+shoot&btnG=Search+images

I think Michael DID die that day.. but I don't know what kind of death, whether it was physical or spiritual? The blog has definitely got me thinking. Because it almost seems more realistic that he was replaced, rather than being some kind of mind controlled slave or a perfectly posessed entity.... I just don't know. But I would like to find out. I think there is a great deal of signifigence to this story - whatever it may be. I think it holds alot of meaning for us all. Sort of like "a sign for the times".

joe911

21-09-2009, 12:04 AM

I mean no offence to you,but i think its wild how you formulate these beliefs of yours,despite having no evidence to support them,you also dismiss all the complications and the facts because you would like to beleive your idea.

The photo you linked to had nothing to do with his death,other than it was linked as an important day on his astrological chart.

You claim that "the conspiritors" were money hungry and wanted to keep the product of "michael jackson" going. If this is true,why did MJ go on to become the world record holder for "most charities supported by a pop star"

The Millenium issue listed the music legend under Most Charities Supported By A Pop Star, with a staggering 39 international organizations including the Make-A-Wish Foundation and the American Cancer Society. Those are only the known ones however, as Jackson was also prone to giving away impulsively and anonymously.

Jackson had been known to hand over the proceeds from concerts to local charities and hospitals as he did with the History tour in Bombay, or donate personal items for auction to organisations like UNESCO. It’s been estimated he may have given up to $500 million to charity in his lifetime.
His "controllers" suddenly grew a conscience,huh?

Lets say you're right for a second,right from the start there would be complications,right from the doctor who would have pronounced him dead,to removing the body,to informing his family. Do you think the "imposter" mj would ever be able to be with his family without them noticing,or his close friends who spent alot of time with him like elizabeth taylor. Theres also his fans,yea celebs have doubles at times,but these doubles dont write/record albums,do sellout tours,meet celebs&royalty.

armoured_amazon

21-09-2009, 12:29 AM

hehehe
well no.

And I'm very wary of satanism, if you care to believe me on this.
I see satanism pretty much everywhere.

But, although michael in this clip is clad all in white and spreading his arms like a crucified man he isn't being worshipped by the people but just shown affection. And when the rabbi comes close it is michael who kisses the rabbi in a sign of submission, not the rabbi who kisses MJ.

If MJ was impersonating Jesus in this scene the rabbi would have kissed him.
And there would have been other signs like marks of suffering, and adoration from the followers.

No this wasnt so much adoration I saw from the people and children hugging him, as love on an equal to equal basis.

The crucified christ in this clip is the earth and MJ is just a messenger, a glorified showbiz star but i aint seeing anything more.

If your christian buttons get pushed just because he's clad in sparkling white, spreading his arms in the crucified pose and getting hugged by adults and children then you got some splainin' to do not him.

And mind you, i do believe MJ was heavily possessed/obsessed but this clip doesn't show that on the contrary. It shows he took a bath of compasionnate love and dedication to service to humanity and the planet.

I'd say he out-souled, out-loved, out-spirited them.
As darkened as he was, he was carrying and spreading much light despite of the heavy trauma-based mindcontrol programming he received in his childhood.
If you take the whole of his work you can feel his constant powerful striving to bring love and light to the world.

You can argue that he was a sex-obsessed pedophile, a demon-possessed wreck and so on.
But compare him to the usual satanistic rockstars or artists.
He did carry light, and I dont mean lucifer-light.
He really was about love and compassion and service. It wasn't a pose. He was darkened by his past and his sexuality, he couldnt break free from it but he did do all he could to bring good stuff to the people.

You cant' throw stones at him for not having succeeded in breaking free and maturing past the angel/messiah complex. You can imagine he had a constellation of dark people keeping him used and abused and enslaved. It's not like it's an easy job that he chose when coming to that life.

I don't know if he came out at the top but he came out as one who never renounced to bringing forth good stuff around him. Who can claim that ? Props to MJ although i'm not a fan of his work and I believe he did molest children.

No, it doesnt (guffaw).
This is the russian red army, the symbols are communist not nazi and he is turning the whole militaristic fascistic display into a farce.
When you see an army dancing an MJ ballet, you know there is ironic distance at work.
He isn't promoting militarism and citatorship but subverting these into fun, show and entertainment.
It is childish, fun, light hearted and cute.

And he did include the russian red army choir in the soundtrack, you can hear the "the hunt for red october" movie's title track. It's an awesome piece of choir music. For that I'm grateful to him:)
And get this, the underlying tone of this piece is christian not communist. Very strongly christian, more than anything americans could ever produce... or even west-europeans for that matter:)

This is how I saw it, too.

linda28

21-09-2009, 12:43 AM

Now that he's finally put to rest, lets talk about the other side of michael jackson that never gets light. Its pretty obvious that he was MK controlled and was a puppet. i always hear lil parts about it, but nothing ever in detailed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=811AQTeHI7c&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmjnotdeadyet.blogspot.com%2F&feature=player_embedded

No way, Michael was not controlled. I listened to that Brice Taylor interview where she claims the 5 brothers got raped before going on stage - to be honest that has to be totally nonsense. Why? Oh boy where do I start?

1. If a child gets raped and watches his siblings getting raped he'd be traumatized right there and then and totally unable to sing and smile on TV right after. If his dad beat him, that's bad yeah, but not as traumatizing as getting raped by a grown man who is a stranger.

2. So Taylor would just happen to be there watching? Sounds like bad control of the doors and who walks in and out of the back stage.

3. A man has to rape 5 young boys at once? If he's gonna do such a crazy thing wouldn't 1, 2 or max 3 be more than enough? I mean 5?!?!

4. Michael has said that he told his dad he would never perform again if he ever hit him again. So his dad stopped beating him. Michael was very stubborn, so he'd never put up with getting raped before going on stage.

5. The Jackson 5 and LaToya and everyone has said there was abuse. But no one said anything about older men raping them when they were children. Being as outspoken as LaToya, don't you think she'd say that, if it was teh truth?!?

6. Brice Taylor must be a total celebrity obsessed person that has lots of sexual fantasies. She claims Bob Hope forced her to give him oral sex in the limo. Yeah right.

I realize a lot of people that have been brainwashed by the media about Michael Jackson have gotten the perception of him being a insane child molester. That is not the truth. You should really dig into the truth and you will guaranteed find he is a fantastic human being. The Jesus images he made of himself - well, all his fans are crazy about him. Who else has that power over people? I think he is entitled to feel he can save a lot of people from misery with his deep and warm music. Doesn't make him bad or dangerous :)

chrysoprase

21-09-2009, 04:10 AM

I mean no offence to you,but i think its wild how you formulate these beliefs of yours,despite having no evidence to support them,you also dismiss all the complications and the facts because you would like to beleive your idea.

What complications or facts have been dismissed? I am willing to look at them. The fact that he had vitiligo? To date I have never seen a case of vitiligo like that. Not ever. I have also heard doctors say it was like nothing they had ever seen.

The photo you linked to had nothing to do with his death,other than it was linked as an important day on his astrological chart.

I, myself, said that the photo had nothing to do with his death. What I said was the caption under Michael's pepsi injury photo said "Michael Jackson Dies".

The Millenium issue listed the music legend under Most Charities Supported By A Pop Star, with a staggering 39 international organizations including the Make-A-Wish Foundation and the American Cancer Society. Those are only the known ones however, as Jackson was also prone to giving away impulsively and anonymously.

Jackson had been known to hand over the proceeds from concerts to local charities and hospitals as he did with the History tour in Bombay, or donate personal items for auction to organisations like UNESCO. It’s been estimated he may have given up to $500 million to charity in his lifetime.

First of all, I would expect and hope that anyone with a tremendous amount of money would give to charity. That doesn't really make them special in my book. However, someone with that amount of money who didn't contribute to charity would have to be a real jerk.

Secondly, there are many charities and several celebirty driven charities that are suspect.

Jerry Lewis has been raising money for Muscular Dystrophy for about 50 years. Billions of dollars have been raised. And yet, they are no closer to curing this disease than they have ever been. Where does the money go? Is the research that shoddy? If they can't figure it out - then stop taking people's money!

The American Cancer Society was established in 1913. I don't know how much money they have raised. But I can guarantee you it is alot more than Muscular Dystropy Foundation. And still... no cure... it seems that the profit and all the people who earn a living off of it is more important than a cure.

UNESCO has more scandals than I want to get into; but if you are interested they are easy enough to look up.

And I have been suspicious of Bono for years (mostly since his private meetings with Bush). What the hell is he up to? Will his charities ever reap any results?

Lets say you're right for a second,right from the start there would be complications,right from the doctor who would have pronounced him dead,to removing the body,to informing his family. Do you think the "imposter" mj would ever be able to be with his family without them noticing,or his close friends who spent alot of time with him like elizabeth taylor. Theres also his fans,yea celebs have doubles at times,but these doubles dont write/record albums,do sellout tours,meet celebs&royalty.

Michael's life was very complicated. So complicated that he cut off his nose to spite his face.

Elizabeth Taylor has always been drawn to the misfits. And what about the friends who "lost touch with him" in the mid 1980's? Sure, they say they had there own lives to tend to. But maybe there were not comfortable with this new Michael? As for the other "friends" methinks there are alot of hanger-ons who just like the perks of a famous rich friend. And no one can deny; I think you yourself said it - that Michael was a lonely man.

There was one trait that I never noticed in Michael pre-pepsi fire. Arrogance. I don't care how much you love the kids. If you are charged once with molestation; maybe it is best to back off. But he wouldn't. His desire to be around children was so strong that he didn't care what it did to his reputation or his standing as a role-model.

I recently had an argument with someone about why Michael insisted on having kids sleep in his room, and in his bed. She said "oh, you know how kids are". Yeah, sure. But why bring them into your bedroom and let them sleep in your bed? There is no excuse for that. It's just ridiculous to even justify that.

1. If a child gets raped and watches his siblings getting raped he'd be traumatized right there and then and totally unable to sing and smile on TV right after. If his dad beat him, that's bad yeah, but not as traumatizing as getting raped by a grown man who is a stranger.

I had a stranger break into my house in the early am and rape me. Hours later I went to work as if nothing happened. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. The scars were there, and it changed me on the inside, but I was still able to function. I was also beaten badly by both parents as a kid and no one would ever know unless I told them.

Sometimes it is remarkable what people endure in silence.

supertzar

21-09-2009, 04:27 AM

If a child gets raped and watches his siblings getting raped he'd be traumatized right there and then and totally unable to sing and smile on TV right after. If his dad beat him, that's bad yeah, but not as traumatizing as getting raped by a grown man who is a stranger.

Not if the child has multiple personalities. They could switch alters and the one occupying the front onstage might not even be aware of what happened just a few minutes before.

joe911

21-09-2009, 04:47 AM

What complications or facts have been dismissed? I am willing to look at them. The fact that he had vitiligo? To date I have never seen a case of vitiligo like that. Not ever. I have also heard doctors say it was like nothing they had ever seen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205624/The-black-girl-turned-white-woman-vitiligo-changed-colour-entire-body.html

First of all, I would expect and hope that anyone with a tremendous amount of money would give to charity. That doesn't really make them special in my book. However, someone with that amount of money who didn't contribute to charity would have to be a real jerk.

Secondly, there are many charities and several celebirty driven charities that are suspect.

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Thats completley illogical,if the whole purpose of replacing mj was making money for his "conspiritors" they wouldnt be donating like that,and proceeds from entire shows to charity etc... If they are evil enough to replace michael they arent going to suddenly grow conscience's.

Michael's life was very complicated. So complicated that he cut off his nose to spite his face.

Elizabeth Taylor has always been drawn to the misfits. And what about the friends who "lost touch with him" in the mid 1980's? Sure, they say they had there own lives to tend to. But maybe there were not comfortable with this new Michael? As for the other "friends" methinks there are alot of hanger-ons who just like the perks of a famous rich friend. And no one can deny; I think you yourself said it - that Michael was a lonely man.

Thats besides the point,Michael diddnt have very many friends and those who were his true friends always stayed in touch right untill the very end. This also doesnt explain his family. Michael diddnt leave home till 1988 4 years after the pepsi accident,his mother and staff would have noticed a change. Now look at this pic from his funeral,and tell me that she is not a grieving mother?
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Jackson+Funeral+_6gFkGMJrQ4l.jpg

To say her son died 25 years ago,she is one hell of an actress:rolleyes: Saying they wouldnt notice if they swapped him is like saying everyone who was in contact with him is either a) in on it. 2)completley retarded enough not to notice.

There are way too many flaws in your theory.

chrysoprase

21-09-2009, 06:23 AM

Thanks for posting the article about the girl with vitiligo joe911.

So, I see that it is apparently possible. However, I gotta say that I understand that Michael might have been sensitive about this condition - but it would have behooved him to address it himself; instead of acting indignant and expaserated that anyone would want to know why he was white.

Here are some quotes from article:

Experts say they have never come across such a striking change

But a spokesman for the Vitiligo Society said it was 'extremely unusual' for the entire body to change colour.

Michael was aware that his condition was rare. He should have known that - of course - people would notice and want to know what's up. But Michael always seemed really reluctant to answer any questions. His behaviour at addressing the issue was (I thought) shady and not forthcoming or informative. There is shyness and then there is indignation.

Thats completley illogical,if the whole purpose of replacing mj was making money for his "conspiritors" they wouldnt be donating like that,and proceeds from entire shows to charity etc... If they are evil enough to replace michael they arent going to suddenly grow conscience's.

I don't think it is about having a conscience. It is about appearances and deception. And, possibly, powerful connections.

Michael diddnt have very many friends and those who were his true friends always stayed in touch right untill the very end.

I think Brooke Shields was a true friend. At the memorial for MJ she said she had lost touch with him. Madonna (I am not sure I would classify her as a true friend) also said that she had hung out with Michael "but lost touch with him". There is the Brando fellow. Who might have been Michael's closet friend throughout the years. When he was on Larry King; he was asked if he ever saw anything odd about Michael, or if he knew that Michael took drugs. He shrugged and said "no".

I found that odd. Either he didn't notice or care, or he was complicit. Not a true friend. And it would be just plain stupid to deny the drug use in order to protect Michael. He knew an autopsy was under way; and prescriptions by the buttload were already surfacing. So, who exactly is he protecting? Why does he seem to know absolutely nothing? Why was he befuddled about the oxygen tanks? Especially since Michael had a traveling hospital and his own anesthesiologist with him on tour. Who does that? Why didn't ANYONE ever speak up?

This also doesnt explain his family. Michael diddnt leave home till 1988 4 years after the pepsi accident,his mother and staff would have noticed a change. Now look at this pic from his funeral,and tell me that she is not a grieving mother?

She looks like she is grieving. I don't know who or what she is grieving.

There was a case in the news about 2 years ago. Two high school girls were involved in a car crash. One died, the other lived but had lots of plastic surgery. The parents of the one who lived were told their daughter was dead. The other parents took what they thought to be their daughter home and never knew the difference. They just thought she was different because of the surgery and the trauma of the accident.

I wonder what you think about Michael letting kids sleep in his bed? Especially after being charged with molestation? Out of all the places in the world, it is hard to imagine a better place than Neverland to entertain a child. Carousel Rides, Candy, Movies, Popcorn, Petting Zoo. So much to do, and what better place to wear out a kid and then tuck him safely in his own bed with nothing but sweet dreams.

But Michael didn't want to do that. He wanted them in his own bedroom. What for? And (allegedly) he used Jesus Juice to make them tired.

Why would a grown man insist on this behaviour when no good could come of it? When Neverland was raided, the investigator said there was an alarm that tripped whenever anyway walked the hallway to his bedroom. Maybe the alarm was just to alert Michael to put his nose on... I don't know.

I've heard time and again that Michael never had a childhood, so it was okay they he wanted slumber parties with young boys.

Talk to anyone who grew up during the Great Depression of the 1930's. They didn't have a childhood either. But they grew up anyways. I would like to dismiss the fact that he insisted on having young boys in his bed, but it is really hard to overlook.

starshine

21-09-2009, 12:07 PM

What is the views on the father of Michael Jackson in this forum, I personally feel that he is a mind controller.

gushen

23-10-2009, 07:10 AM

Check out his "Billie Jean" video. At the end you can see Michael going up a set of stairs of a hotel. We also see a red flashing sign that reads "hotel". The Hotel California of the Eagles and the Heartbreak Hotel of the Beatles are symbols for a satanic church or lodge where they were initiated and taught witchcraft among other things. Once entering in a bedroom of the so-called hotel, Michael has this worrysome look as he stands besides a bed with 'someone' under the blanket. Dude, the 'body' on the bed is Satan! Michael gets on the bed with 'Satan' and they both disappear as the bed becomes 'illuminated'.

Some (not all) of what I said can be found in this video series: http://www.evilindustry.com/satans-music-industry-series

brainstormed

26-10-2009, 10:52 PM

Is it me, or do MJ's arms look like devil horns???

Does anyone else see that?

http://memories.michaeljackson.com/ex-images/michael-jackson-this-is-it-movie-poster.jpg

gaias child

27-10-2009, 08:19 AM

What I notice is the 7 spotlights coming out of his head more symbolism to do with the number 7. I do not believe this is mere coincidence. It is advertising his death as a ritual.

It is well known Michael favourite number is 7 and he wore the numbers 777

• Michael Jackson signed his will on 7/7/02.
• Michael Jackson's memorial was on 7/7/09 ... exactly 7 years after the will was signed.

he will is fake as he was not in LA but New YOrk doing a demo against Tommy Mottola and sony when it was signed. It is part of the ritual, he was also buried 70 days after his death

Heal the world song was number 7 listed on dangerous album which was released on 25th June the same day of his death.

other 7s that are notable but probably a coincidence

• Michael Jackson was the 7th of 9 children.
• Michael Jackson was born in 1958 ... 19 + 58 = 77.
• Michael Jackson died on the 25th ... 2 + 5 = 7.
• Michael Jackson has 7 letters in his first and last name.