Navy to Make Jet Fuel From Seawater

[real6]

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/09/09/seawater-jet-fuel.html

Sept. 9, 2009 -- The U.S. Navy could soon be sailing through an ocean of jet fuel if new research proves economical.

By extracting dissolved carbon dioxide from seawater and combining it with hydrogen stripped from water molecules, Navy chemists hope to one day secure a cheap and steady fuel source for its fleet of jets.

"The U.S. Navy is surrounded by seawater and the Navy needs jet fuel," said Robert Dorner, a scientist at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, D.C. who works on the technology.

"In the seawater you have CO2 and you have hydrogen. The question is how do you convert that into jet fuel."

The answer, according to Dorner, is a modified version of the chemical reaction known as the Fischer-Tropsch process.

Typically Fischer-Tropsch starts with carbon monoxide and hydrogen and, using metal catalysts and heat, ends with a mixture of methane, waxes and synthesis gas (syngas), which can then produce fuel or plastic.

Fischer-Tropsch is expensive and energy-intensive, which often limits its usefulness. One of the few times it has proven economical was using solid coal to produce liquid fuel for World War II Germany.

[flickflack]

By extracting dissolved carbon dioxide from seawater and combining it with hydrogen stripped from water molecules, Navy chemists hope to one day secure a cheap and steady fuel source for its fleet of jets.


I think it's amazing if they manage to do this. :)

[mrindigo]

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/09/09/seawater-jet-fuel.html
"In the seawater you have CO2 and you have hydrogen. The question is how do you convert that into jet fuel."

The answer, according to Dorner, is a modified version of the chemical reaction known as the Fischer-Tropsch process.

Typically Fischer-Tropsch starts with carbon monoxide and hydrogen and, using metal catalysts and heat, ends with a mixture of methane, waxes and synthesis gas (syngas), which can then produce fuel or plastic.


Naturally they're intentionally avoiding the easier more practical ways of doing this. This has already been done by a 62 year old man, and without the aid of methane, waxes, and syngas. All he used was a machine which emitted radiowaves. The radio waves separated the hydrogen atoms, causing the water to burn at 3,000 degree Fahrenheit.



Sanibel Island resident John Kanzius is a former broadcast executive from Pennsylvania who wondered if his background in physics and radio could come in handy in treating the disease from which he suffers: cancer.

Kanzius, 63, invented a machine that emits radio waves in an attempt to kill cancerous cells while leaving normal cells intact. While testing his machine, he noticed that his invention had other unexpected abilities.

Filling a test tube with salt water from a canal in his back yard, Kanzius placed the tube and a paper towel in the machine and turned it on. Suddenly, the paper towel ignited, lighting up the tube like it was a wax candle.

"Pretty neat, huh?" Kanzius asked WPBF's Jon Shainman.

Kanzius performed the experiment without the paper towel and got the same result -- the saltwater was actually burning.

The former broadcasting executive said he showed the experiment to a handful of scientists across the country who claim they are baffled at watching salt water ignite.

Kanzius said the flame created from his machine reaches a temperature of around 3,000 degrees Farenheit. He said a chemist told him that the immense heat created from the machine breaks down the hydrogen-oxygen bond in the water, igniting the hydrogen.

"You could take plain salt water out of the sea, put it in containers and produce a violent flame that could heat generators that make electricity, or provide other forms of energy," Kanzius said.

He said engineers are currently experimenting with him in Erie, Pa. in an attempt to harness the energy. They've built an engine that, when placed on top of the flame, chugged along for two minutes, Kanzius told WPBF.

Kanzius admits all the excitement surrounding a new possible energy source was a stroke of luck. Someone who witnessed his work on the cancer front asked him if perhaps the machine could be used for desalinization.

"This was an experiment to see if I could heat salt water, and instead of heat, I got fire," Kanzius said.

Kanzius said he hoped that his invention could one day solve a lot of the world's energy problems.

"If I were to be bold enough, I think one day you could power an automobile with this, eventually," Kanzius told WPBF.

Man Invents Machine To Turn Water Into Fire (http://www.wpbf.com/news/13383827/detail.html)

[alexc]

Naturally they're intentionally avoiding the easier more practical ways of doing this. This has already been done by a 62 year old man, and without the aid of methane, waxes, and syngas. All he used was a machine which emitted radiowaves. The radio waves separated the hydrogen atoms, causing the water to burn at 3,000 degree Fahrenheit.

Man Invents Machine To Turn Water Into Fire (http://www.wpbf.com/news/13383827/detail.html)

You missed the followup, didn't you?

It took more energy to produce enough radio waves than you could harness from burning the hydrogen. It was a net loss of energy. To make matters worse, this only gets you hydrogen, and you need a lot more than elemental hydrogen to make jet fuel.

Now, this could be useful if you have hydrogen fueled jets, but we don't, so we need a more conventional jet fuel.

[mrflathunter]

I dunno if everyone has already heard of him on this site, but Stanley Meyer is the hero of ''water for fuel''. He's a legend in the free energy community.

Hes even on wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell

Of course, they call it a perpetual motion machine to ridicule him. Nonetheless he was employed by the military having proven his technology worked. Just google his name...he's been in loads of documentaries. Hes driven his water fueled car all over the place and shown it to millions, convincing everyone he came across that it was authentic.

[danster82]

The reason its not being talked of as amazing is because the process to create the fuel requires heat meaning more or equal energy in than out so its not a free enrgy source, what it is however is an obviously better alternative to oil, as sea water could be converted to fuel with electricity from power stations.

but then who cares when we already have coldfusion

[rodin]

Oil is going to $300+ a barrel by 2012 :rolleyes:

[rodin]

You missed the followup, didn't you?

It took more energy to produce enough radio waves than you could harness from burning the hydrogen. It was a net loss of energy. To make matters worse, this only gets you hydrogen, and you need a lot more than elemental hydrogen to make jet fuel.

Now, this could be useful if you have hydrogen fueled jets, but we don't, so we need a more conventional jet fuel.

Nuclear reactor > electricity > electrolysis > hydrogen

[blueyonder2012]

Interesting articles/inventors etc:

http://www.free-energy.ws/ambient-heat.html

FREE ENERGY IS THERE, Its all about control and keeping us on the payment treadmill!!!:eek::eek:

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[blueyonder2012]

In 2006, inventor Paul Pantone refused to sell the patents to his incredible water-as-fuel system. As a result, he has been imprisoned ever since in a mental ward run by the Utah Department of Corrections.

Thanks to your efforts, Paul has been freed from the Utah State Mental Hospital as of May 2009!

http://www.geetfriends.net/



:rolleyes:

[alexc]

In 2006, inventor Paul Pantone refused to sell the patents to his incredible water-as-fuel system. As a result, he has been imprisoned ever since in a mental ward run by the Utah Department of Corrections.

Thanks to your efforts, Paul has been freed from the Utah State Mental Hospital as of May 2009!

http://www.geetfriends.net/



:rolleyes:

Of course he could just be nuts and his "invention" nothing but one of his hallucinations. Has anyone other than him built a device from his patents?

[real6]

Car runs on water - YouTube

JAPANESE WATER POWERED CAR!! - YouTube

Car Runs With WATER - Video

[motleyhoo]

Typically Fischer-Tropsch starts with carbon monoxide and hydrogen and, using metal catalysts and heat, ends with a mixture of methane, waxes and synthesis gas (syngas), which can then produce fuel or plastic.

Fischer-Tropsch is expensive and energy-intensive, which often limits its usefulness. One of the few times it has proven economical was using solid coal to produce liquid fuel for World War II Germany.

In other words, they'll use diesel (or nuclear fuel which creates waste) to create another kind of fuel. And since there are losses in every process, it will take more than 1 gallon of diesel to make 1 gallon of JP-5.

As for water engines, no one has yet to prove how these things produce more energy out than what is put in to make them work. That's because they can't prove it, and they can't prove it because it defies both the laws of Physics and Thermodynamics. I want to believe just as much as the next guy that free energy water engines work, but unfortunately they do not, at least until someone creates one that draws power from the Sun.

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[mrindigo]

You missed the followup, didn't you?

It took more energy to produce enough radio waves than you could harness from burning the hydrogen. It was a net loss of energy. To make matters worse, this only gets you hydrogen, and you need a lot more than elemental hydrogen to make jet fuel.

Now, this could be useful if you have hydrogen fueled jets, but we don't, so we need a more conventional jet fuel.

I suppose I did miss that. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.