Help needed is this real or fake

[rockinrobinsuk]

I just watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2bZm4e1Kuo&feature=rec-r2
the comments say its Billy Meier stuff but i have not come across him before.
So i searched him and lots claim its all fake.
The people on here are more open minded so i would like your feedback etc

[merlincove]

very interesting footage, my questioning mind points me toward photoshop, and the fact that we can't see the 'evidence' / photo's clearly enough to question their authenticity. Tho from what we do see of those which are apparently taken in space, they do look very real.

My knowing mind, on the other hand talls me this is all very real and very possable, once we allow the mind to break free of the 3d prison reality.

An excellent find, would like to see more on this guy and his journey.

[rockinrobinsuk]

I was also thinking the same. I also just found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWfmKDB7iRw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfnQqAiPQio&feature=related
still unsure but not unbelievable

[jamesc]

What's the name of this NASA scientist.:confused:

[rockinrobinsuk]

Not sure it is a nasa at all just whoever posted it on youtube titled it nasa it so it would get more views i guess

[chattanova]

Wow, that was some bizarre stuff - thanks for sharing :cool:

[bulltwister]

I do remember seeing this before, I thought it was on one of the disclosure group videos....I'll need to dig out a few dvds to see if I still have it

[silvabak]

billy meier is def no joke...

www.theyfly.com

[merlincove]

TIP to all

If you can dig this stuff, get it downloaded to your real player, just incase it gets pulled. :D

[rockinrobinsuk]

billy meier is def no joke...

www.theyfly.com

Thanks for sharing good stuff:D

[chromeranger]

wow...

[kasalt]

billy meier is def no joke...

I'm sorry but Billy Meier's stuff is massive fraud and disinformation. Here's proof:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1071203#post1071203

Read the remainder of the thread starting with that post and you will see what I mean.

[venividivici2311]

Since where already discussing Billy Meier...the video is not a Nasa scientist,but someone (don't know who) who is showing the Billy Meier pics to an audience...
In case someone didn't know :)

[kasalt]

The person showing the hoaxed pictures is Michael Horn, who is Billy Meier's spokesman. The hoaxed photographs are Meier's.

[rockinrobinsuk]

Thanks for that i knew someone on here would be able to help thank you again

[silvabak]

a few pics debunked ...wow....u cannot disprove so many other things tho like the talad of emanual (not correct spelling) the many many predictions he did get right, the metals, the pics in space or up high in the ships.....sooo much stuff for a 1 armed retired old dude

[kasalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7BQcnqZFM

[the nine]

TIP to all

If you can dig this stuff, get it downloaded to your real player, just incase it gets pulled. :D

you can get everything off torrent..
I downloaded all the videos and literature about 2-3 years ago..some realy really interesting stuff and also sad the way he has been attacked..
billy meiers had and extraordinary life..
I would reccomend everyone watch his vids..with an open mind of coarse :).

a part which distrubed me particularly, was the vision of the future, when humans and pigs are genetically crossed to make ferocious supersoldiers to destroy the civillians in america..I got shivers down my spine when I read that!

[kingmob]

Its fake. This guy has been debunked by a ton of truthers.

[hobo]

I'm sorry but Billy Meier's stuff is massive fraud and disinformation. Here's proof:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1071203#post1071203

Read the remainder of the thread starting with that post and you will see what I mean.

Pretty convincing...

[kasalt]

Pretty convincing...

Yes, the Meier case has been proven to be a fraud by some of the greatest researchers in the field of ufology such as Jacques Vallée (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e) and Stanton Friedman, along with numerous others. I know that's disappointing for many UFO enthusiasts to learn, but we would be fools to lie to ourselves (and to each other) in the face of the undeniable facts of the matter. Besides which, there are enough real UFO sightings happening these days that there should be no need for UFO enthusiasts to follow obvious frauds and con artists such as Meier. If anyone wants to see real videos and pictures of probable UFOs, just watch Jaime Maussan's videos on Youtube, for example.

[not amused]

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/24922/Istanbul_Kumburgaz_UFO_s_Are_Back_2009/ what about this, real or fake ?

[majorion]

Yes, the Meier case has been proven to be a fraud by some of the greatest researchers in the field of ufology such as Jacques Vallée and Stanton Friedman, along with numerous others.

Hello kasalt,

I wouldn't rule out Billy Meier just yet.

The following is my humble opinion.

Jacque Vallee, although one of the most respected Ufologists, has also been known to have ties to the government, specifically DARPA. He is a also convert proponent of the interdimensional hypothesis. It would be no surprise that he would oppose Billy Meier.

Stanton Friedman, from what I hear, could very well be an agent of the MOSSAD. Much like Ben Rich former head of Lockheed. Stan Friedman has no shortage of targets to discredit. He has also attempted to debunk Bob Lazar, and the late Col. Phillip J. Corso. So I wouldn't trust a word from that fellow, although I think his research on MJ12 and the Betty Barney Hill case were noteworthy.

It is my opinion that Billy Meier is one of the biggest targets of disinformation in all of Ufology. I don't care if you mention the woman from the Sears magazine, or the dinosaur, or the wedding cake or what have you. He is a one armed man who has been the victim of at least 15 assassination attempts. He has provided clear photographs, clear video, audio recordings, metal samples, trace evidence, and revelations prophecies and writing that would be extremely time consuming and difficult in the process, as well as hundreds of witnesses who corroborate his story.

Billy Meier was true, that original story of taking a ride with extraterrestrials to the Moon, it was true. Just like George Adamski, Emmanuel Swedenborg, Howard Menger, and so many others. They are people who have had genuine experiences, but the cases were heavily contaminated.

There could also be the possibility that Billy Meier may have had genuine experiences, but built a whole story around the original later on founding a cult. A true story but a lot of contamination.

It is also my opinion that the main reason so many are opposed to Meier is because they would have to believe what he says, almost like converting to a new religion, and most people don't want any part of something like that. I just look at the guy as someone who definitely had genuine experiences, nothing more.

Best,
M

[trev1]

I'm sorry but Billy Meier's stuff is massive fraud and disinformation. Here's proof:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1071203#post1071203

Read the remainder of the thread starting with that post and you will see what I mean.

No its not ,,...there are some people that say hes a hoax and some
dodgy stuff has appeared such as the dinosaur photos and the wedding cake
UFO - http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/images/Wedding_Cake_infront_house_highrL.jpg

Also his ex-wife said recently he was a fake. But bear in mind she
passed lie detector tests in the 70s where she swore he was truthful...
but keep in mind that he claims that there are forces that tampered
with some of that to make him look like a fraud. Surely on David Ickes
forum you could accept that possibility??

For me There is still some really good evidence for example:
1. The photos he took of UFOs around 75-76 have been analysed by experts
and they said there not fake
http://us.figu.org/portal/Portals/0/images/Supporters/Hesemann/f_0229.jpg
http://www.ufohypotheses.com/Jacobsburg-A%20page%209--%20Billy%20Meier.jpg
http://www.tjresearch.info/Miragejt.jpg
http://erenouvelle.nous-les-dieux.org/meier3.jpg

2. Hundreds of witnesses seeing lights in the sky around the mid seventies
during the time of the contacts. In the area he lived many people other
than Billy saw the Beamships. Friends and neighbours swore to the people
that initially investigated the case (Wandell Stevens, Lee Elders, Britt
Elders). See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9knXEmUt9k

3. Billy Meier passed Lie Detector tests
See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB1ARjj0wXw&feature=PlayList&p=3F87AD5DDF63D292&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=43

4. There is the noise recoring of the UFO which was analysed by experts
of the time and it could be compared to nothing that could be generated
at that time. Plus Wendell Stevens was investigating at this time and he
claimed that 20-30 minutes after the noise started the police arrived - they
were called by people 7-8 miles away that complained about the noise.
You should try to hear this noise - it really send shivers up my spine when
I heard it.

5. Metal fragments from the UFO - again analysed by experts who said
that they could not find any earth substance there

6. Through his many contacts Billy has been given infomation about the
about the history of the earth and so on - none of which is contradictory.
I found it strange that were he lieing he would surley trip himself up
somewhere. I mean he literall has dozens of contact notes - surely if
he was lieing he would slip up here....:rolleyes: They also gave him many
prophecies , many of which have come true as far as I know

7. Hes had something like a dozen attempts on his life for various reasons.
One of them was witnessed by 14 people who thought he was shot dead.
Only thing was he was wearing a metal plate on his side. He said that a day
or two before the pleadies aliens propehcised the assanation attempt and
told him to wear a metal plate. Its actually amazing the metal plate still
has the bullet mark in it ! :eek:

8. Before he went to Swizerland he lived in India where he also had contacts
and took some amazing photos. People ahve come forward that verify what
he seen , in actaul fact one woman claims that she knew one of the alien
contactees!
Hers a photo he took in India in the 60s:
http://thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr/ufo/Meier_fake_India_pict.jpg

9. Theres so amazing video footage. One especially that has a car driving by
underneath the object. Another is of a UFO 10-12 feet across - judging by the
area it covers across a tree and can be seen the braches are in front of the ufo
http://www.theyfly.com/UFO_Mag_Article_files/image009.gif

Anyway i'm not 100% certain of this been genuine and I DO ACCPET there
have been some dodgy stuff found to maybe point to hoax but as far as im
concerned based on points 1-7 there are still some things that happened
him that CANNOT be answered. My own feeling is that something did happen
around 75-78/79 but once the publicity hit he maybe tried to fake some
things to make people accept it more. Thats my gut feeling , he is only a
human being after all. :eek:

[trev1]

[QUOTE=kasalt;1265609]I'm sorry but Billy Meier's stuff is massive fraud and disinformation. Here's proof:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1071203#post1071203

ONe more thing - anyone that shouts HOAX should look at it with an 'Open Mind'

....its like with David Icke ssome people when they hear his name think Terry Wogan, Tracksuit
and Nutter!

But of course if you actually investigate for yourself (true jounalism as David Icke does say) you might
form a different opinion

[kasalt]

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/24922/Istanbul_Kumburgaz_UFO_s_Are_Back_2009/ what about this, real or fake ?

There was a thread made about that some time ago, here's the link if you want to check it out:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18098

And a link to an article from UFO Digest about the video:

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0208/kumburaz3.html

I don't know if it's real or faked, but I think it looks promising. Needs more investigation.

[not amused]

cheers kassalt, I had a look for any thing on this but failed, your right it def needs more investigation, will check out the link,. :cool:

[hobo]

No its not ,,...there are some people that say hes a hoax and some
dodgy stuff has appeared such as the dinosaur photos and the wedding cake
UFO - aslo his ex-wife said recently he was a fake. But bear in mind she
passed lie detector tests in the 70s where she swore he was truthful...
but keep in mind that he claims that there are forces that tampered
with some of that to make him look like a fraud. Surely on David Ickes
forum you could accept that possibility??

For me There is still some really good evidence for example:
1. The photos he took of UFOs around 75-76 have been analysed by experts
and they said there not fake
2. Hundreds of witnesses seeing lights in the sky around the mid seventies
during the time of the contacts. In the area he lived many people other
than Billy saw the Beamships. Friends and neighbours swore to the people
that initially investigated the case (Wandell Stevens, Lee Elders, Britt
Elders).
3. Billy Meier pass Lie Detector tests
4. There is the noise recoring of the UFO which was analysed by experts
of the time and it could be compared to nothing that could be generated
at that time. Plus Wendell Stevens was investigating at this time and he
claimed that 20-30 minutes after the noise started the police arrived - they
were called by people 7-8 miles away that complained about the noise.
You should try to hear this noise - it really send shivers up my spine when
I heard it.
5. Metal fragments from the UFO - again analysed by experts who said
that they could not find any earth substance there
6. Through his many contacts Billy has been given infomation about the
about the history of the earth and so on - none of which is contradictory.
I found it strange that were he lieing he would surley trip himself up
somewhere. I mean he literall has dozens of contact notes - surely if
he was lieing he would slip up here....:rolleyes: They also gave him many
prophecies , many of which have come true as far as I know
7. Hes had something like a dozen attempts on his life for various reasons.
One of them was witnessed by 14 people who thought he was shot dead.
Only thing was he was wearing a metal plate on his side. He said that a day
or two before the pleadies aliens propehcised the assanation attempt and
told him to wear a metal plate. Its actually amazing the metal plate still
has the bullet mark in it ! :eek:
8. Before he went to Swizerland he lived in India where he also had contacts
and took some amazing photos. People ahve come forward that verify what
he seen , in actaul fact one woman claims that she knew one of the alien
contactees!

Anyway i'm not 100% certain of this been genuine and I DO ACCPET there
have been some dodgy stuff found to maybe point to hoax but as far as im
concerned based on points 1-7 there are still some things that happened
him that CANNOT be answered. My own feeling is that something did happen
around 75-78/79 but once the publicity hit he maybe tried to fake some
things to make people accept it more. Thats my gut feeling , he is only a
human being after all. :eek:

If Billy Meier has such excellent material, why on earth would he want to dilute it with second-class fakery?

[trev1]

Yes, the Meier case has been proven to be a fraud by some of the greatest researchers in the field of ufology such as Jacques Vallée (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e) and Stanton Friedman, along with numerous others. I know that's disappointing for many UFO enthusiasts to learn, but we would be fools to lie to ourselves (and to each other) in the face of the undeniable facts of the matter. Besides which, there are enough real UFO sightings happening these days that there should be no need for UFO enthusiasts to follow obvious frauds and con artists such as Meier. If anyone wants to see real videos and pictures of probable UFOs, just watch Jaime Maussan's videos on Youtube, for example.

Hold on a minute Freedman and Vallee are entitled to their opinion but
just cause they say so doesnt make it a fraud. Yes there is dodgy stuff
that came out like the Dino pics, but Billy clims that his stuff was tampered
with in order to discredit him. Also even if he did try to fake some , it still
leaves some other evidence that is hard to explain. It has been shown that
in some of the earlier pics that if its a model its a 10-12 foot across model ,
my question is how could a one armed man do this in broad daylight without
anyone seeing him?

You dont mention that in the late 70s Wandelle Stevens, Britt Elders
and Lee Elders stayed with Meier for weeks and tired to catch him out
several times but couldnt. One stroy they recounted is that on one
occassion Meier left the room only to get a phone call 10 minutes later
say to come and collect him. They say that the place he said to collect
was 60 miles away. When they got in the car and drove to the location
there he was standing beside the road. Now he only drove a moped at the
time? Anyway the three people I mentioned after 3 years investigation
called the case legit and they still stand by their claims. So please keep
an open mind on this :) Remember a lot of stuff he was seemingly told
by the pleadians discredits a lot of the major world religions and do you
not think its possible that there are forces out there that wanted to
discredit him, i.e. the illuminati for one :eek:

Please see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg1-6pTJP5E

[trev1]

If Billy Meier has such excellent material, why on earth would he want to dilute it with second-class fakery?

I didnt say for sure he did . Evidence could have been tampered with.
But just making the point that in his enthusiam to prove the case true
he might have added some bells and whistles on it t o make it look so.
Yes this would question his character but he is only human...maybe the
media frenzy at the time influenced him who knows. Listen I dont even
believe it 100% I keep an open mind. There is some dodgy stuff but theres
also some other stuff that I cant explain. Myabe he is pathological liar -
but he still lives in quite a basic lifestyle in the same village amd spends
every day of his life writing up contact notes and trying to convince
people that its true. If hes in it for the money why isnt he off on some
caribeean island sipping on some champange? He was offered a movie contract
by hollywood on 2-3 occassion but turned it down. Thats strange to me if he wanted
to make a buck out of it.So my question is why go to all that trouble to hoax something?

[kasalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-A489nGS4w

[hobo]

I didnt say for sure he did . Evidence could have been tampered with.
But just making the point that in his enthusiam to prove the case true
he might have added some bells and whistles on it t o make it look so.
Yes this would question his character but he is only human...maybe the
media frenzy at the time influenced him who knows. Listen I dont even
believe it 100% I keep an open mind. There is some dodgy stuff but theres
also some other stuff that I cant explain. Myabe he is pathological liar -
but he still lives in quite a basic lifestyle in the same village amd spends
every day of his life writing up contact notes and trying to convince
people that its true. If hes in it for the money why isnt he off on some
caribeean island sipping on some champange? He was offered a movie contract
by hollywood on 2-3 occassion but turned it down. Thats strange to me if he wanted
to make a buck out of it.So my question is why go to all that trouble to hoax something?

Maybe he wants things just as they are now: a small remote cult-like setting, with him as the unquestioned authority. This could explain why he claims to be the ONLY valid contactee, and why his visions for the future are so dire and apocalyptic. Leaves you with big daddy Billy Meier as your only way to salvation. A pretty gratifying scenario for him, if he wants to be in full power and control. This could easily be challenged if he opted for a more public profile involving Hollywood...

[kasalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wemYDt1T6gI

[trev1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-A489nGS4w

WHy post that video and not try to explain my points I made that
I cannot explain? I stated already that there is some dodgy stuff thats
come out point hoax yes I agree with you. But there is other stuff that
for me is still hard to explain away.

This is a David Icke forum - and rem what David Icke once said - nothing
in this world is black and white - always somwhere in between , i.e. grey.
So in this case I still think there are some things that genuinely happened
mixed with stuff that was tampered with mixed with stuff that was faked.

Thats my opinon :rolleyes:

[trev1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wemYDt1T6gI

You just keep posting videos? but ignore my emails? Thats kinda
insulting you not think? taking some sort of higher ' i know it all' ground?
do you not want to debate this? There are 2 sides to every story...
I have said already i think maybe some of it was hoaxed but there are other parts
that cannot be explained? What about the sound recordings? ; The several
hundred witnesses? As well as hoaxing ufos he made lights in the sky appear
for his friends and neighbours? He must have really been the David Copperfield
of his day in that case!

[kasalt]

You just keep posting videos? but ignore my emails? Thats kinda
insulting you not think? taking some sort of higher ' i know it all' ground?
do you not want to debate this? There are 2 sides to every story...
I have said already i think maybe some of it was hoaxed but there are other parts
that cannot be explained? What about the sound recordings?

Sorry, I wasn't trying to disregard your posts. I just didn't have enough time to write a proper reply, but I did have time to post the video links. Most of the questions you ask are answered in the videos. Meier's alleged UFO sound recordings are addressed here:

http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/space_ship_audio_deconstruction.html

[silvabak]

alot of the things that shown to be fake are the easy ones to argue but i see no evidence against the amazing evidence like the photos of the russians in space with the earth behind it and the face on mars with a dust storm sweeping across it all couler photos that suceeded nasa by 20 odd years and things like the talad of emanuel n 100s of correct predictions, plus him writing them at some speeds in aramaic having then to be translated.

pz

[trev1]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to disregard your posts. I just didn't have enough time to write a proper reply, but I did have time to post the video links. Most of the questions you ask are answered in the videos. Meier's alleged UFO sound recordings are addressed here:

http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/space_ship_audio_deconstruction.html

No problem about that - I appreciate your response.

Ive read the article link you gave me. It is interesting and maybe its
right, BUT it still doesnt explain:

1. How did he create those recordings using a simple cassette deck?

2. How can it be explained how several other witnessed heard the sound?

3. How is there a documented account from Wendelle Stevens that after
20 mins police arrived on the scene. They had gotten complaints from
neighbours about the noise 7 miles away.

4. The sound engineers that originally analysed the tapes found them very
strange and one even drew a drawing of what he thought was making it
which turned out very similar to one of the UFOs photographed. These
experts were selected by Wendelle Stevens, Britt and Lee Elders who
still stand by the results of the analysis.

5. If it is a hoax im still waiting for someone to tell me 'WHAT' the sounds
are and 'HOW' he created them.

[trev1]

Maybe he wants things just as they are now: a small remote cult-like setting, with him as the unquestioned authority. This could explain why he claims to be the ONLY valid contactee, and why his visions for the future are so dire and apocalyptic. Leaves you with big daddy Billy Meier as your only way to salvation. A pretty gratifying scenario for him, if he wants to be in full power and control. This could easily be challenged if he opted for a more public profile involving Hollywood...

point taken. But isnt it also possible that the people who live with him as
part of FIGU can make up there own minds about things? and are just
assisting him in getting the message out there?

[hobo]

point taken. But isnt it also possible that the people who live with him as
part of FIGU can make up there own minds about things? and are just
assisting him in getting the message out there?

If Billy Meier is not a fraud, then the only explanation for these hoaxes is that his organisation has been hijacked, wich of course is a possibility.
But if that´s the case, I think he should have made some effort to disavow himself of this material.