Are evangelical Christians ruining this forum?

[michael christopher]

Let's ask ourselves a question here.

Perhaps some of you don't read the religious forum, and you are only able to see what evangelical/fundamentalist Christians post in the general forum, but that should be more than enough.

I am getting fed up with people getting off the hook for breaking TOS rules around here. Evangelical Christians seem to be allowed to call people names and make ridiculous insinuations simply because it's part of their religion. It is not apparently against the rules to call non-Christians Satanic devil worshipers repeatedly, or to insinuate that they are part of the Illuminati, or to flat out lie about them. It is not against the forum rules apparently to follow people around through all of their posts, troll and dog them, to constantly try to derail threads, or to personally attack people instead of attacking the information they present. Evangelical Christians and Muslims are trying to take over this forum by bullying those who disagree with them. You would wonder why people like this would come to the David Icke forum when David Icke has made it poignantly clear that he believes all religions are frauds and lies designed to ensnare the mind.

There are many good Christians and Muslims on this forum who do not go around attacking and trolling, but the fact is, there are at least equally as many horrible ones, if not more. These people never debate with facts, just false accusations of Satanism. Should this be against the rules? Isn't it against the rules to harass someone by calling them names and making stupid ad-hominem attacks against them which are based completely in unreality?

Do you believe this should be a bannable offense?

Is it okay to imply that anti-religionists are all followers of Satan or worshipers of some other devil? Why can't religion be debated using facts and philosophy instead of calling names and throwing out bogus bullshit?

I think moderators need to really clamp down on this. There is a LOT of hateful bullshit like this, a lot of trolling, a lot of ganging up and attacking, and it's been happening for a long time now. It seems like it's considered okay because it's part of religion to call anti-religionists Satanists, but I guess that makes David Icke a Satanist. Isn't it clear that people who are opposed to Icke's ideas and who come here only to spread their religion through force and abuse are trolls? I mean, how obvious can it be?

People should be free to believe whatever they want. They should be free to attack institutions and ideas here. But they should not be free to spread insults and call names.

I think if David Icke came to this forum he would have a lot to say about the religionist attack on this place.

[not amused]

has this been brewing up for a while, or have you lost an argument ? for a reason that i don't know about this thread has gone down like a lead fart. keep it up ;)

[mistress_medusa]

Evangelical Christians ruin everything :D

[sorath]

Evangelical Christians ruin everything :D
+1

[bluegrazz]

Yeah because we all know that God and Jesus dont exist but its a fact the queen is a Reptile and Lizards run the world.

How can those Christians be so stupid?

-BTW I have nop dog in this race- Not a Christian nor a Space Alens run shit kinda guy.

Just sayin I am willing to buy the Invisible guy in the sky over Newscasters changing into Reptilians in front of the cameras because they couldnt keep their "vibration" up by not drinking enough children s blood in rituals below a castle.

[notthisshitagain]

Yeah because we all know that God and Jesus dont exist but its a fact the queen is a Reptile and Lizards run the world.

How can those Christians be so stupid?

-BTW I have nop dog in this race- Not a Christian nor a Space Alens run shit kinda guy.

Just sayin I am willing to buy the Invisible guy in the sky over Newscasters changing into Reptilians in front of the cameras because they couldnt keep their "vibration" up by not drinking enough children s blood in rituals below a castle.

Do I smell a George Carlin reference here? :p;)

[les_paul_robot]

Yeah, cos when 'God' created man, and ripped a rib out of him to create a woman, it just so happened that they both kinda got conned into doing something 'wrong'by a talking snake.

[not amused]

this is my first ever debate about religion, so treat me gently please..

[bluegrazz]

Yeah, cos when 'God' created man, and ripped a rib out of him to create a woman, it just so happened that they both kinda got conned into doing something 'wrong'by a talking snake.

okay- that proves everything then...

[bluegrazz]

Do I smell a George Carlin reference here? :p;)

:D thats funny- I seriously didnt realize I was doing that until you pointed that out... I knew I had heard that somewhere.

-God, I'm nor a Carlin fan either.

[illuminumnuts]

I am sure there are some Jewish supremacists on here. All religion is crap, which doesn't mean there isn't 'something else'. I am openminded, but tend to believe there is. I'll just pass on the fairy tales telling me how to live though!

[not amused]

carling don't do religion. but if they did, they'd do the best religion in the world.

[dlb2007]

i am a christian but not evangelical in denomination but I would like to point out that the illuminati, freemasons and people like that are into satanic pracitces. please forgive my bluntness but i think Christians and muslims coud have some serious angles to look at and are a asset to the boards. I often wonder how many of you simply rejct religion based on what david icke says. i have not stumbled across this illuminati, freemason, bilderberg, new world order simply by chance but it took me many years of researching my religion which led me to watch current events and study history. I feel very lucky that my religion is leading me in the truth, it is my religion that drives me to look into this stuff to discover it and expose it, it is not any fear of losing my rights and liberties but the human race, gods children loosing those things and their loss of the christian society our forefathers created to be relpaced by slavery to satanic men. I went from just a ordinary christian to being a prolife christian to being an anti negitive eugenics christian to being a anti new world order christian. When they want forced abortions, want the power to end your life in eugenics, when they want to experiment of undesirables, when they want total control over the entire population of the planet and they are implimenting laws and Christians and muslims are standing up saying abortion is evil, only god has power over life and death, your laws are not Gods laws, you are evil..... we are the ones chastised and hated, yet you can see that we are standing up not only for the rights of unborn children but for the rights of all mankind by standing against them and proclaiming that they are not God, they are not the masters of the human person,,, those rights are endowed by our creator not our governments..... most people do not see the dangers that you people do on here and still you say Christians are new world order etc.... We are the biggest obstical to their plans... "those who are not for us are against us, and those who do not build with us tare down" by rejecting christianity you are rejecting the one thing that can save us. Christians who have known this from the beginig have developed a church with one shepherd and one voice, organised, yes they have tried to destroy it by infiltraiting it and setting up rebel groups and by getting people to ignore the one shepherd the one voice to discredit both the truth and christianity itself....."because of this lawlessness the love of many will grow cold" - "many false prophets will come and many will be lead astray and bring the way of truth into disrepute."

[merlincove]

carling don't do religion. but if they did, they'd do the best religion in the world.

Sir, i love your posts.

[kappy0405]

The few Muslims here seem to be pretty respectful.. On the other hand, a majority of the deliberately offensive/insulting posts seem to come from people constantly promoting Christianity.

edit: I misread the poll question & voted No - It should've been a clear cut 100% YES. OoOps!

[ozpixie]

There is a religious forum here?

[kappy0405]

There is a religious forum here?

a SUB-forum, yes. :D

http://davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=14

[brucel]

has this been brewing up for a while, or have you lost an argument ? for a reason that i don't know about this thread has gone down like a lead fart. keep it up ;)

Good question. sound like somebody got to michael chistopher, lol
and to think this is coming from a man that go around challenging
evangelicals on the board asking/telling them to put up or shut up
prove that GOD/Jesus exist or else....shove it!

funny post from MC. :D (hehe)

[motleyhoo]

It would only ruin the forum if it could not be refuted, but like most delusional dogma, exposing the fakery that is Christianity is elementary. It does get tiring tho. One can only shoot ducks in a barrel for so long before boredom sets in.

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[brucel]

Let's ask ourselves a question here.

Perhaps some of you don't read the religious forum, and you are only able to see what evangelical/fundamentalist Christians post in the general forum, but that should be more than enough.

I am getting fed up with people getting off the hook for breaking TOS rules around here. Evangelical Christians seem to be allowed to call people names and make ridiculous insinuations simply because it's part of their religion. It is not apparently against the rules to call non-Christians Satanic devil worshipers repeatedly, or to insinuate that they are part of the Illuminati, or to flat out lie about them. It is not against the forum rules apparently to follow people around through all of their posts, troll and dog them, to constantly try to derail threads, or to personally attack people instead of attacking the information they present. Evangelical Christians and Muslims are trying to take over this forum by bullying those who disagree with them. You would wonder why people like this would come to the David Icke forum when David Icke has made it poignantly clear that he believes all religions are frauds and lies designed to ensnare the mind.

There are many good Christians and Muslims on this forum who do not go around attacking and trolling, but the fact is, there are at least equally as many horrible ones, if not more. These people never debate with facts, just false accusations of Satanism. Should this be against the rules? Isn't it against the rules to harass someone by calling them names and making stupid ad-hominem attacks against them which are based completely in unreality?

Do you believe this should be a bannable offense?

Is it okay to imply that anti-religionists are all followers of Satan or worshipers of some other devil? Why can't religion be debated using facts and philosophy instead of calling names and throwing out bogus bullshit?

I think moderators need to really clamp down on this. There is a LOT of hateful bullshit like this, a lot of trolling, a lot of ganging up and attacking, and it's been happening for a long time now. It seems like it's considered okay because it's part of religion to call anti-religionists Satanists, but I guess that makes David Icke a Satanist. Isn't it clear that people who are opposed to Icke's ideas and who come here only to spread their religion through force and abuse are trolls? I mean, how obvious can it be?

People should be free to believe whatever they want. They should be free to attack institutions and ideas here. But they should not be free to spread insults and call names.

I think if David Icke came to this forum he would have a lot to say about the religionist attack on this place.

Now mike, how do you think you make others feel when you
accuse them to being a *Christian* simply because they do
not share your point of view ??

you’ve done it to me in the past & I never once told u that I
was Christian...& I’ve also witness you do it to many on here
forcing them to confirm or deny their religious or non-religious
faith/ideology....so then,...how is it

that YOUR name calling others who present a different view
*Christian* not merit the same disciplinary action ??......loll

[brucel]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mine is that all mainstream religion is far too corrupt to be trusted. Find your own!

And I don't think the forum has really been the same since THIS. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12144&page=15&)

Peace

thirdwave could ALWAYS find a way to get me to laugh
even when i disagree with him...for the past couple of
days that i've been coming here I have not seen him where
is he ?? what happen to him ??.....

[uloodara]

thirdwave could ALWAYS find a way to get me to laugh
even when i disagree with him...for the past couple of
days that i've been coming here I have not seen him where
is he ?? what happen to him ??.....

Ahh good times, I mostly read the forum back then though rather than posting :)

:confused: Hmm I'm really not sure. I've added him on msn but I'm not certain he's been online recently.

Pce

[montag]

Just to add my two cents to this, its my feeling that when we cease labeling other human beings, whether it be Christian, Muslim, Satanist, Nazi, Truther, Troll or whatever then we may all begin to get along a little better, until then we'll continue to have these kinds of fruitless us and them debates..

[not amused]

I am a proper sit on the fence coward when it comes to religion, I 've deleted 2 posts already I have, don't even know why i'm posting this, not my cup of tea, don't play with fire, you won't get burnt.

[chris]

Sup Michael, I don't mean any offence by this upcoming post but I'm going to be honest.

These people never debate with facts, just false accusations of Satanism. Should this be against the rules?

No.

Isn't it against the rules to harass someone by calling them names and making stupid ad-hominem attacks against them which are based completely in unreality?

Do you believe this should be a bannable offense?

I've been accused of being Christian many times, should that be a bannable offence? (I personally find it more offensive being called Christian than a Satanist).

Is it okay to imply that anti-religionists are all followers of Satan or worshipers of some other devil? Why can't religion be debated using facts and philosophy instead of calling names and throwing out bogus bullshit?

I think moderators need to really clamp down on this. There is a LOT of hateful bullshit like this, a lot of trolling, a lot of ganging up and attacking, and it's been happening for a long time now. It seems like it's considered okay because it's part of religion to call anti-religionists Satanists, but I guess that makes David Icke a Satanist. Isn't it clear that people who are opposed to Icke's ideas and who come here only to spread their religion through force and abuse are trolls? I mean, how obvious can it be?

Force? I don't know how you can spread religion by force on a forum...Abuse? Like that's going to work.

People should be free to believe whatever they want. They should be free to attack institutions and ideas here. But they should not be free to spread insults and call names.

You a doo-doo head!

I think if David Icke came to this forum he would have a lot to say about the religionist attack on this place.

I wouldn't put words in his mouth.

If your so bothered, just preface your thread specifically what it's about and that you'll ask any off topic posts to be deleted. If you bann someone, they'll be back on here tomorrow with a different name doing the exact same thing but only in a better way.

[nectars]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=15379&dateline=1210648916

[anthony65]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black MC.

You are full of vitriol when you're in the mood for it, which is most of the time apparently.

You also lay into christians, or anyone you suspect of being a christian whenever you get the opportunity.

You've made your contempt for christians and christianity clear on many occasions.

As for the satanic references. You write:

I think if David Icke came to this forum he would have a lot to say about the religionist attack on this place.

I think David would have a lot to say not just to the evangelical christians, but also to the satanists, the satanist apologists, the satanist deniers, etc.

Have you actually read David's books MC?

Haven't you read the numerous accounts David has made regarding satanism and the accusations he has made regarding the crimes committed by satanists?

You appear to be demanding two sets of standards.

One for you.

And one for the rest.

If you tried to debate logically and fairly without throwing a tantrum anytime someone disagrees with you then you wouldn't feel the need to create such a ridiculous poll.

There are many people represented here with many different ideas.

Accept that and put forward your arguments, but don't expect others to meekly submit to your opinions or to take your attacks without hitting back in kind.

[chris]

Also, what's so bad about being a Satanist? I think he's a great guy.

[anthony65]

Also, what's so bad about being a Satanist? I think he's a great guy.

Why?

[wise haven]

I think some of the ideas expressed here, by supposed Christians, are nothing more than bigotry and an excuse to run down other racial/religious groups.
Nothing Christian about that - they stole the label.

The constant anti Jew rambling by a couple of them is really getting on my tits - it's like inviting a deluded street drinker in to your house.....permanently :D

[rodin]

carling don't do religion. but if they did, they'd do the best religion in the world.
:D

[rodin]

The few Muslims here seem to be pretty respectful.. On the other hand, a majority of the deliberately offensive/insulting posts seem to come from people constantly promoting Christianity.

edit: I misread the poll question & voted No - It should've been a clear cut 100% YES. OoOps!

Could you provide a few links to back your claim?

[rodin]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mine is that all mainstream religion is far too corrupt to be trusted. Find your own!

And I don't think the forum has really been the same since THIS. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12144&page=15&)

Peace

You think raw unadulterated Christianity is mainstream? :D

[rodin]

It would only ruin the forum if it could not be refuted, but like most delusional dogma, exposing the fakery that is Christianity is elementary. It does get tiring tho. One can only shoot ducks in a barrel for so long before boredom sets in.

.

I have begun this exposure already I hope :D

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77604

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=404105

[miracles]

A lovely post form the OP to me. This is mild, and he isnt the only one to dole out this sort of stuff. Now he has carried his huge restentment into the general section. Nice one Micky. You really are one of the nicest people in the world.



knew you would immediately reply. What a horrible liar you are.


You are truly just silly

if you came here expecting people to lie about the Bible like all of your friends do. Anything anti-Christian here you call disinformation and you troll whoever you don't like.

You are an ass and you should be banned. I think I'm not the only one here who is tired of your hateful antics.

You are a troll of the worst kind.


We should get rid of the religion forum because you don't like what we have to say about religion? Haha. Dope. Just go away and stop trolling us, it will save your energy for working on

your mental faculties. I've had it up to here with your hypocritical hatred. You don't worship Christ,

you are filled with darkness and degradation.

I'm sure you will say the same about me, but let's face the facts, you can tell what kind of a person is by the fruits that they bear.

What tasty fruits have you borne thus far, Mr. Tree? What great spiritual insight have you given people? What light have brought into the world? All I ever see from you is

trolling, trolling and more trolling.



Liar, liar, pants on fire.



I'm one of the nicest people in the world.



Haha, you came back here because of your intense hatred of me? Pathetic. You came back here because you can't let go of the things I said. You can't let them go because a part of your mind knows I speak the truth. Christianity is a counterfeit religion and a perversion of the word of God.



Boo hoo. You are weak. You have no evidence in your favor at all, you just troll.

You really should be banned.

Honestly, you should have been banned a long time ago.

From now on, I suggest everyone start flagging Miracles' posts when they see him breaking the rules and calling people names. He will be gone within a week.

BTW STOP with this "turn me inactive" crap. You have a free will. If you want to leave, then you will

go the f- away. No one is forcing you to post here and

Defend your stupid religion. We all know what inactive means anyway. You've been inactive before. You will come back in a few weeks - probably not even that long - and ask to be re-activated. I think a better way to

get you permanently off of this forum would be a lovely IP ban.

If I was more of an asshole I would start a poll to see how much support I could garner for such an action -

I'm sure the response would be tremendous. Instead, I will let you

continue to be a slave to your ego a

nd post here "against your will" since you can't seem to leave without a moderator temporarily turning your account to inactive.

Kicking, screaming and crying like a little baby, do you think anyone cares whether or not you leave or stay? Is this some really bad idea of a threat?

Just leave. No one is forcing you to stay.

In fact, the amount of people here who actually like you are probably less than five.

You give the good Christians here a bad name. I'm sure they don't appreciate your idiocy either.

Go away, like you have threatened to do about four million times,

wounded little martyr.


A post from one of the nicest people in the world. Ladies and gentemen I give you the one and only Michael Christopher.

Why dont you conduct your hate pole here and now to get me banned. Whats next burn us at the stake??? Just state that Christians or people who believe in the bible arent welcome in your little cult and we wont bother you folks, simple...

By the way theres a special on big white pointed hoods with pre-cut eye slits in them at Wall Mart. Bulk discounts,

PMSL. :D

[miracles]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black MC.

You are full of vitriol when you're in the mood for it, which is most of the time apparently.

You also lay into christians, or anyone you suspect of being a christian whenever you get the opportunity.

You've made your contempt for christians and christianity clear on many occasions.

As for the satanic references. You write:

I think if David Icke came to this forum he would have a lot to say about the religionist attack on this place.

I think David would have a lot to say not just to the evangelical christians, but also to the satanists, the satanist apologists, the satanist deniers, etc.

Have you actually read David's books MC?

Haven't you read the numerous accounts David has made regarding satanism and the accusations he has made regarding the crimes committed by satanists?

You appear to be demanding two sets of standards.

One for you.

And one for the rest.

If you tried to debate logically and fairly without throwing a tantrum anytime someone disagrees with you then you wouldn't feel the need to create such a ridiculous poll.

There are many people represented here with many different ideas.

Accept that and put forward your arguments, but don't expect others to meekly submit to your opinions or to take your attacks without hitting back in kind.
Excellent post. Bravo. Its a pole born out of his resentment and hatred of me, because I wipe the floor with his snivelling snotty nose on every occassion. HuH Mike? Do you need a hug. :):D;):cool:

PS: ever heard of the ignore button MC, I have to use it regularly on you.

[grenadene]

this is my first ever debate about religion, so treat me gently please..

No....we will cast you down to hell, where you will burn and scream and cry for all eternity :eek: because if I'm annoyed by you God must be too.....and God talks to me and no one else :p

[norton]

personally, i agree with the OP. Christians are ruining this forum. I believe what icke says about the origins of organised/mainstream religions. which is why i'm on this forum and not on 'god is groovy and jesus is great' type of forums.

I did just have a debate with someone on the religion forum, i asked why would they go onto a forum that denies the bible and the christian god (among other religions) and the person said they've never read icke's books!!
(i gave up argueing after a few replies)

Hmmm, maybe new memebers should have to pass a test to become a member i.e. 45th word on page 307 of the biggest secret! lol... that is a joke by the way!

[merlincove]

If you don't agree with them, then there is nothing that says you need engage them.

[hadabusa]

Yeah, cos when 'God' created man, and ripped a rib out of him to create a woman, it just so happened that they both kinda got conned into doing something 'wrong'by a talking snake.
this sounds crazy beyond belief....

untill you get to read my signature

they arent ruining this forum, but before entering the religion part of the forum, a warning should pop up:

*YOU ARE ENTERING THE SUBFORUM RELIGION, STRAIGHTJACKETS ARE AT THE DOOR*

religious people who try to convince others who declare they dont want none of any religion are,pardon my language, but would it be offensive to say theyre straight up insane.??
i mean it.

[nectars]

this sounds crazy beyond belief....

untill you get to read my signature

they arent ruining this forum, but before entering the religion part of the forum, a warning should pop up:

*YOU ARE ENTERING THE SUBFORUM RELIGION, STRAIGHTJACKETS ARE AT THE DOOR*

religious people who try to convince others who declare they dont want none of any religion are,pardon my language, but would it be offensive to say theyre straight up insane.??
i mean it.

lol

Edited from above: *YOU ARE ENTERING THE SUBFORUM RELIGION, STRAIGHTJACKETS, EARPLUGS AND BLINDFOLDS ARE AT THE DOOR*

[not amused]

No....we will cast you down to hell, where you will burn and scream and cry for all eternity :eek: because if I'm annoyed by you God must be too.....and God talks to me and no one else :p
right. thats it I'm off :eek::eek:

[gilly]

People who have no respect for anyone else's views, and are unwilling to approach things in a civil manner aren't doing much for the forum, imo.

[sorath]

Organised religion is part of the pyramid structure.

[hadabusa]

People who have no respect for anyone else's views, and are unwilling to approach things in a civil manner aren't doing much for the forum, imo.
barry 0 obama?
this is a bit too political correct for my taste, youre covering both sides whilst shooting at them:D


i know this does sound extraorinarly childish, but from my impression, the religious people often call a name first in debattes.
thats a common practice when one runs out of arguments.

(imagine how i said this with chomskys voice):D:)

[gilly]

barry 0 obama?
this is a bit too political correct for my taste, youre covering both sides whilst shooting at them:D


i know this does sound extraorinarly childish, but from my impression, the religious people often call a name first in debattes.
thats a common practice when one runs out of arguments.

(imagine how i said this with chomskys voice):D:)

Then you've misunderstood my post.

It wasn't addressed to any specific group of people. Followers of particular beliefs, disbelievers - it doesn't matter. There are a lot of people who routinely express personal hatred towards others who don't share their views, and it's to nobody's credit.

And you're right - "He started it", does sound childish.

[fallensoul]

Or maybe you people complaining about this and that should grow a pair of testicles, why the fuck do you even give a flying if someone tries to shove a bible down your throat. They can not force you, you can ignore them, walk away. Here Michael and everyone else sharing his frustration chant after me "I DONT GIVE A SHIT, I DONT GIVE A SHIT!" It will relieve a whole lotta stress.

[belial]

#1/OP

I stopped reading when you brought the term 'religion' into the arguement.

With a post count of nearly 3000 (and, apparently, you should know better), have you not realised that the term 'religion' is both bullshit and designed to divide and rule us?

You might want to consult a person called David Icke on that one.

;)

[miracles]

barry 0 obama?
this is a bit too political correct for my taste, youre covering both sides whilst shooting at them:D


i know this does sound extraorinarly childish, but from my impression, the religious people often call a name first in debattes.
thats a common practice when one runs out of arguments.

(imagine how i said this with chomskys voice):D:)

Well actually thats not true at all, the truth is, it's the other way around. I never start insulting people, but Ill get climbed in when people start it with me and then the usual line after that is "your not a very good Christian, your a bad example of something we dont believe in anyway" "boo hoo", "Your supposed to be a door mat that we can piss on" Im complaining to the moderators about you now.....you should be banned"

etc. etc and on and on it goes like a never ending broken record, which is why I am leaving this forum. Ive had it. (im not leaving because Ive got my little feelings hurt either, Im just bored with it all I dont feel like a martyr) I will leave with my head held high and my beliefs totally strengthened and unchallenged(unless you count petty abuse and insults as a challenge) or unwavered the whole time I have been here. I have provided evidence for my beliefs and I have seen zero evidence from those who have tried to refute it.

God bless you all. I mean no one any ill will. But I genuinely feel concerned that a great many of you are totally insane and if you arent already, you soon will be. Ive seen it happen already to one friend I had on here.

[jiffy]

Personally there are many views on here that I find repugnant, but I try/tend to ignore most of the it!!!

If the mad rambling of any religious nut drives you made, remember this.

They should be looked upon with sympathy, they all suffer from cognitive behavior. This sadly will stunt their personal growth, thus not allowing them to reach their full potential as a rounded, sympathetic, wise, all loving, spiritual beings.

But hey opinions are like arse holes we all have one;)

It is easy to to focus on the negative ie extremist views but please remember there are many many..........I quote

rounded, sympathetic, wise, all loving, spiritual beings.

On Here:D

[element]

No....we will cast you down to hell, where you will burn and scream and cry for all eternity :eek: because if I'm annoyed by you God must be too.....and God talks to me and no one else :p
Well, this is the kind of mentality most Christians have, call them evangelical I don't care. :)
(notice the word 'most', just for those who respond ferociously without thinking:rolleyes:)

I've seen good threads in the religion section, and then Christians join in and turn whole threads (who focus on religion in general etc) in to a fight to defend one religion, theirs. Always same shit.

I agree with MC, though other religious people here aren't ruining as much. It's simply because Christianity has bigger numbers on this forum then other religious people. (Most people here are from US or west Europe so that makes sense) I would probably have the same feeling if this forum was invaded by Muslims.

[anthony65]

Well, this is the kind of mentality most Christians have, call them evangelical I don't care. :)
(notice the word 'most', just for those who respond ferociously without thinking:rolleyes:)

I've seen good threads in the religion section, and then Christians join in and turn whole threads (who focus on religion in general etc) in to a fight to defend one religion, theirs. Always same shit.

I agree with MC, though other religious people here aren't ruining as much. It's simply because Christianity has bigger numbers on this forum then other religious people. (Most people here are from US or west Europe so that makes sense) I would probably have the same feeling if this forum was invaded by Muslims.

And some of the anti-religionists, atheists, satanists, etc. aren't equally as sure of themselves and their angle on "the truth"?

I'd say it was less the question of christians, and more the question of people who are prepared to debate and people who aren't. I certainly haven't noticed too many christians who are not prepared to admit that churchianity is a bad thing and that their religion has been screwed around with.

I agree that it isn't fun debating with anyone who isn't prepared to concede a point and resorts to brow beating, sarcasm, etc.

[krakhead]

No one group of anything has a massive effect on this forum. It depends on where you're looking. If you spend your time in the religion section, guess what? You're going to come across religious people. Some are more appropriate in their posting manner than others. But the same can be said for the anti-religion crowd - 'good' and 'bad' on all sides, on any subject.

And not to get into a discussion on moderation but I do have to say re the OP's perception that some 'groups' of people are 'allowed' to do anything that others aren't is, frankly, nonsense.

The moderation team are always getting accused of bias from every which way. We have been (for example) pro-masonary, pro-Islam (an anti-Islam), pro-Xtian (and, of course, anti Xtian), etc. etc. etc. and so on and so forth for ever and ever Eamonn Holmes, cross my heart and hope to die, achoo achoo all fall down! :D

Now stop moaning about people who disagree with you and get discussing proper issues! :D

[element]

And some of the anti-religionists, atheists, satanists, etc. aren't equally as sure of themselves and their angle on "the truth"?

I am not denying that, but that's not what this topic was about.

No one group of anything has a massive effect on this forum. It depends on where you're looking.
I disagree, considering how much conspiracy stuff is fantasized by a certain group. *cough*:D

[bluegrazz]

No one group of anything has a massive effect on this forum. It depends on where you're looking. If you spend your time in the religion section, guess what? You're going to come across religious people. Some are more appropriate in their posting manner than others. But the same can be said for the anti-religion crowd - 'good' and 'bad' on all sides, on any subject.

And not to get into a discussion on moderation but I do have to say re the OP's perception that some 'groups' of people are 'allowed' to do anything that others aren't is, frankly, nonsense.

The moderation team are always getting accused of bias from every which way. We have been (for example) pro-masonary, pro-Islam (an anti-Islam), pro-Xtian (and, of course, anti Xtian), etc. etc. etc. and so on and so forth for ever and ever Eamonn Holmes, cross my heart and hope to die, achoo achoo all fall down! :D

Now stop moaning about people who disagree with you and get discussing proper issues! :D

This is true and well stated. The mods are excellent here as far as allowing dissenting opinions and pretty much any topic of discussion- I see no Mod bias against any group (except for Purple People- And lets face it, we all hate purple people)

Anyone disagree? Fuck you its written in the Koran :D

[anthony65]

I am not denying that, but that's not what this topic was about.


This thread is a massive exaggeration of the influence of a handful of posters on the forum.

My point was that there are some people who would claim the same about a variety of different groups and their opinions on the forum.

Storm in a tea cup... :)

[miracles]

This is true and well stated. The mods are excellent here as far as allowing dissenting opinions and pretty much any topic of discussion- I see no Mod bias against any group (except for Purple People- And lets face it, we all hate purple people)

Anyone disagree? Fuck you its written in the Koran :D

I agree the moderators are brilliant here.

[miracles]

This thread is a massive exaggeration of the influence of a handful of posters on the forum.

My point was that there are some people who would claim the same about a variety of different groups and their opinions on the forum.

Storm in a tea cup... :)

Exactly, the thread was created by someone who happend to have a petty resentment against someone else, and took a bit of a hissy fit. End of yarn.

[anthony65]

Exactly, the thread was created by someone who happend to have a petty resentment against someone else, and took a bit of a hissy fit. End of yarn.

Religion is always going to be a bit controversial at times...

So for those seeking calmer debates, try non-religious themes...

Like 9/11, planers versus no-planers... :rolleyes:

or Paul McCartney is dead... :rolleyes:

Try these and a few other threads and you'll see the religious threads in a whole new light! :)

[miracles]

Religion is always going to be a bit controversial at times...

So for those seeking calmer debates, try non-religious themes...

Like 9/11, planers versus no-planers... :rolleyes:

or Paul McCartney is dead... :rolleyes:

Try these and a few other threads and you'll see the religious threads in a whole new light! :)
Oh you mean PIDs and PIAs ?:D

[phildee3]

All religion is crap...

...I am openminded,



Uh, -
right.

[kasalt]

I don't think we should get rid of the religion forum, but I do think we should rename it to something like "Religious fraud", because it seems to me that this is the true purpose for its existence--to expose the fraud in religion. Instead, we have some here who think that the Religion forum exists as a forum in which to propagandize in favor of their particular fraud of religion. Of course, they could still do that with a name change to the forum, but at least changing the name of the Religion forum to "Religious fraud" would put it in its proper perspective.

[bluegrazz]

I don't think we should get rid of the religion forum, but I do think we should rename it to something like "Religious fraud", because it seems to me that this is the true purpose for its existence--to expose the fraud in religion. Instead, we have some here who think that the Religion forum exists as a forum in which to propagandize in favor of their particular fraud of religion. Of course, they could still do that with a name change to the forum, but at least changing the name of the Religion forum to "Religious fraud" would put it in its proper perspective.

I think we should rename the reptilian section to "Ridiculous Reptilian Ruse"- You know, to be fair.

[kasalt]

I think we should rename the reptilian section to "Ridiculous Reptilian Ruse"- You know, to be fair.

You may have a bit of a point, given that the Reptilian theory hasn't exactly been proven as fact. Rename it to "Reptilian theories" or something like that.

[bluegrazz]

Right. As someone who dosent adhere to either belief, I see the same type of behavior and proof (lack therof) from both sides. I also see people regardless of their beliefs, there are people from every camp who just are jerks and dont want to debate- rather , they just name call.

[phildee3]

I don't think we should get rid of the religion forum, but I do think we should rename it to something like "Religious fraud", because it seems to me that this is the true purpose for its existence--to expose the fraud in religion.

Instead, we have some here who think that the Religion forum exists as a forum in which to propagandize in favor of their particular fraud of religion.




It's neither.

Those who see everything as either/or,
black and white,
as a vs b,
have no place in the new paradigm - which David is working tirelessly to bring about.

Evangelicals are a pain in the ass, but they can't ruin the forum - unless we let them.
For chris' sake - aren't we a bit smarter than that?

[stfd]

It's neither.

Those who see everything as either/or,
black and white,
as a vs b,
have no place in the new paradigm - which David is working tirelessly to bring about.

i beg to differ...
Some 'things' can either be right or wrong, true or false.
For some 'things' there isnt a 'middle way'.

[ronisron]

I was baptised a Catholic, but NEVER believed the story of Jesus. Never.... it always seemed silly. As I got older, I came to learn about mythology, and understood that religion is an arcane science meant to explain the fantastic to us. It's very banal though.

I know there is, for lack of a better term, a God. We all have access to it of we want it. There is no middle man, Jesus is a mythical middle man. He never existed and his story is a fairy tale. You don't have to put your faith in fairy tales or mythic deities to have God, that is sending your energy to something else. God just IS. Whatever it is. Eliminate that phony belief system, be it Judaic, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist..... and accept that we are all part of the same God. Even negative energies have to draw from it.

In a very basic, common sense way, we should all be past religion right now. It should be a part of our past. Religion limits thinking, it doesn't expand it. Religion is bunk science, and revised history.

That being said, I voted NO. To each their own.

[phildee3]

i beg to differ...
Some 'things' can either be right or wrong, true or false.
For some 'things' there isnt a 'middle way'.



Perhaps, but not in this case.

[truth finder]

has this been brewing up for a while, or have you lost an argument ? for a reason that i don't know about this thread has gone down like a lead fart. keep it up ;)

The person asked for evidence, i asked him to produce his own?

[truth finder]

I think we should rename the reptilian section to "Ridiculous Reptilian Ruse"- You know, to be fair.


yep well said....

[truth finder]

I was baptised a Catholic, but NEVER believed the story of Jesus. Never.... it always seemed silly. As I got older, I came to learn about mythology, and understood that religion is an arcane science meant to explain the fantastic to us. It's very banal though.

I know there is, for lack of a better term, a God. We all have access to it of we want it. There is no middle man, Jesus is a mythical middle man. He never existed and his story is a fairy tale. You don't have to put your faith in fairy tales or mythic deities to have God, that is sending your energy to something else. God just IS. Whatever it is. Eliminate that phony belief system, be it Judaic, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist..... and accept that we are all part of the same God. Even negative energies have to draw from it.

In a very basic, common sense way, we should all be past religion right now. It should be a part of our past. Religion limits thinking, it doesn't expand it. Religion is bunk science, and revised history.

That being said, I voted NO. To each their own.



people get confused i think with the catholic church and christianity, me personaly believe in Jesus Christ, i don 't worship mary and i don't go to church on sunday , as the cathlic church has made there day, i follow the bible, not that pope fag...

[stfd]

people get confused i think with the catholic church and christianity, me personaly believe in Jesus Christ, i don 't worship mary and i don't go to church on sunday , as the cathlic church has made there day, i follow the bible, not that pope fag...

You mean Mary as in Saint Virgin Mary - Mother of God ?

Confused :confused:

[truth finder]

Well, this is the kind of mentality most Christians have, call them evangelical I don't care. :)
(notice the word 'most', just for those who respond ferociously without thinking:rolleyes:)

I've seen good threads in the religion section, and then Christians join in and turn whole threads (who focus on religion in general etc) in to a fight to defend one religion, theirs. Always same shit.

I agree with MC, though other religious people here aren't ruining as much. It's simply because Christianity has bigger numbers on this forum then other religious people. (Most people here are from US or west Europe so that makes sense) I would probably have the same feeling if this forum was invaded by Muslims.
all i can say why wouldn't i stick up for my religion?
Well tell us what u believe in?

[kasalt]

Perhaps, but not in this case.

Even you admit that there is massive fraud in religion, Phil. I've read some of your posts on the Roman Catholic Church. And for the evangelicals around here, there are the Benny Hinns of the world to deal with. Don't tell me there isn't massive fraud being perpetuated in the name of religion. There is, and you know it.

[thirdwave]

Now mike, how do you think you make others feel when you
accuse them to being a *Christian* simply because they do
not share your point of view ??

you’ve done it to me in the past & I never once told u that I
was Christian...& I’ve also witness you do it to many on here
forcing them to confirm or deny their religious or non-religious
faith/ideology....so then,...how is it

that YOUR name calling others who present a different view
*Christian* not merit the same disciplinary action ??......loll

Are you a Christian?, if not, why not?

[truth finder]

You mean Mary as in Saint Virgin Mary - Mother of God ?

Confused :confused:

yeah the virgin mary....

to me she was just a vesile... and the church have it wrong..

[thirdwave]

thirdwave could ALWAYS find a way to get me to laugh
even when i disagree with him...for the past couple of
days that i've been coming here I have not seen him where
is he ?? what happen to him ??.....

Im right hear baby! :)

[ronisron]

people get confused i think with the catholic church and christianity, me personaly believe in Jesus Christ, i don 't worship mary and i don't go to church on sunday , as the cathlic church has made there day, i follow the bible, not that pope fag...

Well, Catholicism is a Christian religion. The story is still the same. At the local church on the outside above the door, they have a big Jesus on the cross, all nailed up, eyes rolling up into his head... WTF?? Talk about mixed messages..

Pope fag?? :eek: You mean this guy?

http://www.prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com/Pope_Ratzinger_handsign2-20-09.jpg

Hey, he's cool. He's obviously into Motley Crue and Black Sabbath too.:D

[meksar]

Religion is based on astro theology and although it does contain truths that the elite have undermined, it was originally used to disconnect humans from their higher levels of awareness. The most important thing is not to deceive, be selfish, hate the truth and murder and abuse others. We are entitled to our beliefs and we must not let the religious or occult hierarchies dictate their manufactured version of reality.

[phildee3]

Even you admit that there is massive fraud in religion, Phil. I've read some of your posts on the Roman Catholic Church. And for the evangelicals around here, there are the Benny Hinns of the world to deal with. Don't tell me there isn't massive fraud being perpetuated in the name of religion. There is, and you know it.



What's your point?

[anthony65]

Religion is based on astro theology and although it does contain truths that the elite have undermined, it was originally used to disconnect humans from their higher levels of awareness. The most important thing is not to deceive, be selfish, hate the truth and murder and abuse others. We are entitled to our beliefs and we must not let the religious or occult hierarchies dictate their manufactured version of reality.

:)

[merlincove]

http://www.prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com/Pope_Ratzinger_handsign2-20-09.jpg





That is some cape, he needs to watch himself around aircraft engines... :rolleyes:

[truth finder]

Well, Catholicism is a Christian religion. The story is still the same. At the local church on the outside above the door, they have a big Jesus on the cross, all nailed up, eyes rolling up into his head... WTF?? Talk about mixed messages..

Pope fag?? :eek: You mean this guy?

http://www.prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com/Pope_Ratzinger_handsign2-20-09.jpg

Hey, he's cool. He's obviously into Motley Crue and Black Sabbath too.:D


lol, yes thats the guy i'm talking about, and no catholic church is so far from the truth, they take bits of pieces from different religions and make it there own...


I follow the bible, idon't do christmas, don't take sunday as the sabbath ( i feel saturday is the day for me), i don't do easter this worships ether god of fertility, i don't support same sex marrage ( no offence i love the person not the sin ) and i don't believe in female leaders ( again no offence just what i believe).

[ronisron]

That is some cape, he needs to watch himself around aircraft engines... :rolleyes:

With that cape he can glide from a tall building and make a perfect landing in the Popemobile.

Seriously though, the red cape, the satanic salute... gimme a break. He's not trying to fool anybody is he?

[truth finder]

With that cape he can glide from a tall building and make a perfect landing in the Popemobile.

Seriously though, the red cape, the satanic salute... gimme a break. He's not trying to fool anybody is he?

dude i couldn't agree with u more the whole catholic church is evil....

[bluegrazz]

What the fuck? When did the Pope become a Superhero?

[ic_ic]

Here's the thing:


it's pointless arguing with a Christian. They just don't "get it". They think they are right, perfectly just, and holy, just like Adolf Hitler did.

They are just into themselves, their whole selves and nothing but themselves, so help their god.

The only "truth" worthy of humanity is that which swims around their own self-righteous brains, and when their pathetic delusions of grandeur are challenged.... :eek:


It's not about "saving" anyone, or spreading "truth"...it's about power and Ego. Imo any God that isn't mine or me or you or yours is true Evil.

Who gives a shit what anyone elses idea of what "god" is, anyway!?:confused:....when they start pushing, pontificating, insulting and deriding as they always do.....*facepalm*.....anyone would think it mattered to more than just those that care for it....

[phildee3]

dude i couldn't agree with u more the whole catholic church is evil....



The pope is not the whole catholic church.
He's only the bishop of Rome,
and many of his own flock, too, see through him.

[truth finder]

What the fuck? When did the Pope become a Superhero?


he watched batman and was pysced, just look at him and tell me he aint an evil man or false prophet?

[stfd]

yeah the virgin mary....

to me she was just a vesile... and the church have it wrong..

oh uhhh riiight ...:mad:

[truth finder]

Here's the thing:


it's pointless arguing with a Christian. They just don't "get it". They think they are right, perfectly just, and holy, just like Adolf Hitler did.

They are just into themselves, their whole selves and nothing but themselves, so help their god.

The only "truth" worthy of humanity is that which swims around their own self-righteous brains, and when their pathetic delusions of grandeur are challenged.... :eek:


It's not about "saving" anyone, or spreading "truth"...it's about power and Ego. Imo any God that isn't mine or me or you or yours is true Evil.

Who gives a shit what anyone elses idea of what "god" is, anyway!?:confused:....when they start pushing, pontificating, insulting and deriding as they always do.....*facepalm*.....anyone would think it mattered to more than just those that care for it....


Dude same can be said with unbelievers? am i right?
i don't push my beliefs on any one, same as my musslims friends don't push me....so speak for your self.

Ok do u believe in anything?

[phildee3]

With that cape he can glide from a tall building and make a perfect landing in the Popemobile.

Seriously though, the red cape, the satanic salute... gimme a break. He's not trying to fool anybody is he?



I don't think so.
He looks like he knows that he can't get any more - just entertaining the ones he's got.

[nectars]

http://www.prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com/Pope_Ratzinger_handsign2-20-09.jpg

Ouch, some nice hand gestures there eh? Kinda looks like the following.

http://plusdemain.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/bush_satanic_sign_ny.jpg

[truth finder]

The pope is not the whole catholic church.
He's only the bishop of Rome,
and many of his own flock, too, see through him.


I know, he doesn't speak for me, but look at his mass alot of miss guided people look up to him,
I know he is a bad seed, actualy i cant think of one good pope, thats why its so dangerus

[bluegrazz]

he watched batman and was pysced, just look at him and tell me he aint an evil man or false prophet?

Yes, he clearly is an Evil and creepy looking bastard, Seriously, that guy scares me- AND the whole "Satanic Sign" thing bugs me as well. I dont know what to actually think but it sure is ironic how many of our "leaders" in politics, business, Religion (Religion is not faith BTW), Entertainment (non rock group) and industry who are photographed flashing that sign. Not proof of anything but certainly alot of circumstantial evidence and it really does bother me.

[truth finder]

Ouch, some nice hand gestures there eh? Kinda looks like the following.

http://plusdemain.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/bush_satanic_sign_ny.jpg

lol, when i see that all i can think of is them yelling FOOTBALL....lol

[truth finder]

Yes, he clearly is an Evil and creepy looking bastard, Seriously, that guy scares me- AND the whole "Satanic Sign" thing bugs me as well. I dont know what to actually think but it sure is ironic how many of our "leaders" in politics, business, Religion (Religion is not faith BTW), Entertainment (non rock group) and industry who are photographed flashing that sign. Not proof of anything but certainly alot of circumstantial evidence and it really does bother me.


its because there all sheep.

[truth finder]

all i'm saying is what the catholic church says isn't what all christens believe in....

[phildee3]

all i'm saying is what the catholic church says isn't what all christens believe in....



The catholic church is all Christians.

Do you mean the Roman Catholic Church? - well, of course it isn't.
Most Roman Catholics even have something in its dogma that they don't agree with/don't believe/won't practice.

Very few of them are sheep, in my experience.
Most evangelicals are.

[bluegrazz]

all i'm saying is what the catholic church says isn't what all christens believe in....

And I back you up 100% on this statement.

[truth finder]

The catholic church is all Christians.
Do you mean the Roman Catholic Church?

no it aint...i'm a christian but don't follow the church, the cathlic church have made uo there own religian...i'm a christian not a catholic i don't woship a cross or any symbles, i don't worship the virgin mary, i don't take sabbath on sunday,

I know what it says but the catholic church is realy a branch of christianity, all i know is that i'm not catholic, i don't like the pope or wha he stands for...

[truth finder]

And I back you up 100% on this statement.


Thank u...i'm just glad i'm not alone :)

[ic_ic]

Dude same can be said with unbelievers? am i right?
i don't push my beliefs on any one, same as my musslims friends don't push me....so speak for your self.

Ok do u believe in anything?

I am speaking for myself, and thank you for not being "one of those":)

I personally don't care what anyone believes, but i'd be nuts to think that most of these "evangelist" types don't care care very much.
That is the problem.

What do i "believe" in?...well for starters, angels....ironically perhaps....:D

[nectars]

no it aint...i'm a christian but don't follow the church, the cathlic church have made uo there own religian...i'm a christian not a catholic i don't woship a cross or any symbles, i don't worship the virgin mary, i don't take sabbath on sunday,

I know what it says but the catholic church is realy a branch of christianity, all i know is that i'm not catholic, i don't like the pope or wha he stands for...

Nice :p

[les_paul_robot]

Q: Are evangelical Christians ruining this forum?A: The world in general, too.

[truth finder]

I am speaking for myself, and thank you for not being "one of those":)

I personally don't care what anyone believes, but i'd be nuts to think that most of these "evangelist" types don't care care very much.
That is the problem.

What do i "believe" in?...well for starters, angels....ironically perhaps....:D


:) fair enough and i want force u or try and convert u..:)

lol angels i do to, they seem to give me peace...:)

[anthony65]

Here's the thing:


it's pointless arguing with a Christian. They just don't "get it". They think they are right, perfectly just, and holy, just like Adolf Hitler did.

They are just into themselves, their whole selves and nothing but themselves, so help their god.

The only "truth" worthy of humanity is that which swims around their own self-righteous brains, and when their pathetic delusions of grandeur are challenged.... :eek:


It's not about "saving" anyone, or spreading "truth"...it's about power and Ego. Imo any God that isn't mine or me or you or yours is true Evil.

Who gives a shit what anyone elses idea of what "god" is, anyway!?:confused:....when they start pushing, pontificating, insulting and deriding as they always do.....*facepalm*.....anyone would think it mattered to more than just those that care for it....

It's probably pointless of you to debate with a christian.

But other people without your attitude might acknowledge that there are many christians with many different ideas about their faith.

There are some christians who match your description, but there are many who don't.

[truth finder]

Nice :p


:)

[hadabusa]

The pope is not the whole catholic church.
He's only the bishop of Rome,
and many of his own flock, too, see through him.
what was that vicar thing again?:confused:

my god is better then yours.


in heaven,ill meet many fellow *insert religion* brothers and a double digit virgings to knock up:cool:
we gonna be allowed everything weve been holding back during the time we actually lived.

cool,bro, but got any proof?why not kill ourselves right now?

nono,suicide is a sin(force to live yourself thru slavery),use your brain-hadalosa guy- no priest could,you know, forgive you the suicide, because you gotta confess your sins.

:confused:....:eek:...
wow, thanks, bro, i wouldve never figured that out my self.
i almost shot myself in the foot.
it all makes perfect sense now.
hey, my saviour, but youre really sure we go to heaven?
ive seen on tv,when ppl opened coffins, and the bodyparts where still there.
what are the virgins in heaven worth to me if the body stays in the coffin?


look,man, ive been a christian for much longer then you,hada-grasshopper, so stfu and just believe.the lord will show you the ways.
with your negative attitude, you wont see the light.

but dude, with all your no-ledge, why dont you join the church?

oh,hada-losa, isnt it obvious ive choosen to be a wandering missionary?(puts hand around my waist)

uh,sorry, youre uh,touching me.

thats just to show you how much i love you.(saliva-hefty kiss on the cheek,near mouth area).

oh,sry ppl, i kinda drifted away:cool:

[truth finder]

It's probably pointless of you to debate with a christian.

But other people without your attitude might acknowledge that there are many christians with many different ideas about their faith.

There are some christians who match your description, but there are many who don't.


Thats all i'm saying..:)

[danceswithbunnies]

It isn't ALL of them...Baron Von Lotsov has ALWAYS (at least as far as i can see) been a perfect gentleman..and when i think of christians, he and Tannah spring to mind.

the trouble arises because certain christians do not understand the difference between a statement of opinion/ something that disagrees with them AND a personal insult...

so you could say:Jesus was copied from Krishna, and they would take that as a personal insult and feel justfied in unleashing all sorts of epithets in your direction.

But i know what you are talking about...and i know that it is only one section of the forum they tend to hijack threads, badger people, harassment..only one example..

For a long time, i was actually thinking about returning to Christianity...but their example was powerful enough to dissuade me.

[truth finder]

The thing is Christians, muslims, buddist etc all believe in God just believe in it a defferant way to others.

[nectars]

It isn't ALL of them...Baron Von Lotsov has ALWAYS (at least as far as i can see) been a perfect gentleman..and when i think of christians, he and Tannah spring to mind.

the trouble arises because certain christians do not understand the difference between a statement of opinion/ something that disagrees with them AND a personal insult...

so you could say:Jesus was copied from Krishna, and they would take that as a personal insult and feel justfied on unleashing all sorts of epithets in your direction.

But i know what you are talking about...and i know that it is only one section of the forum they tend to hijack threads, badger people, harassment..only one example..

For a long time, i was actually thinking about returning to Christianity...but their example was powerful enough to dissuade me.

I refused to enter my first church at age 5, I can still remember it clearly as though it was yesterday. Had a bit of a beef with it/them for a while until I realised the bad vibes I got where rejecting the "Church" not the teachings of Christ itself. Seeing a man dying in agony on a cross and being worshipped "for it" had sickened me for a while, still dont like it. Always thought the resurrection should have been the celebration, not the crucifiction.

[phildee3]

no it aint...i'm a christian but don't follow the church, the cathlic church have made uo there own religian...i'm a christian not a catholic i don't woship a cross or any symbles, i don't worship the virgin mary, i don't take sabbath on sunday,

I know what it says but the catholic church is realy a branch of christianity, all i know is that i'm not catholic, i don't like the pope or wha he stands for...



Stop acting like a prat, ts.
You're smarter than that!
Read my posts and quit your knee-jerk reactions.

The Roman Catholic Church (note the CAPITAL letters) is what you're talking about - and you're not alone, I'm 100% with ya too. I think you'll find everybody is. It's a no-brainer.

THE church (note the small letter c) is all Christians. It has no dogma. It is all dogmas and none. We cannot follow it; we are it.
You can only follow dogma/doctrine, which always belongs to a Church (capital C) which is no more than a denomination/sect of the church.

What any sect says isn't what all Christians believe in!

[truth finder]

I refused to enter my first church at age 5, I can still remember it clearly as though it was yesterday. Had a bit of a beef with it/them for a while until I realised the bad vibes I got where rejecting the "Church" not the teachings of Christ itself. Seeing a man dying in agony on a cross and being worshipped "for it" had sickened me for a while, still dont like it. Always thought the resurrection should have been the celebration, not the crucifiction.


True very true, i wouldn't even go into the church my pop had his funeral, if i did i would a hypicrite, like a satanist going into the uniting church, it aint going to happen....

to this day i havn't found a church that believes what i believe..::(
Bar the show tommorows world

[ic_ic]

It's probably pointless of you to debate with a christian.

But other people without your attitude might acknowledge that there are many christians with many different ideas about their faith.

There are some christians who match your description, but there are many who don't.

True, and it's a damn shame the ones who match the description are the LOUDEST....:rolleyes:.....and that they want to rule my world.

Obviously someone thought there was a problem with evangelicals at this forum or this thread wouldn't exist...

[truth finder]

Stop acting like a prat, ts.
You're smarter than that!
Read my posts and quit your knee-jerk reactions.

The Roman Catholic Church (note the CAPITAL letters) is what you're talking about - and you're not alone, I'm 100% with ya too. I think you'll find everybody is. It's a no-brainer.

THE church (note the small letter c) is all Christians. It has no dogma. It is all dogmas and none. We cannot follow it; we are it.
You can only follow dogma/doctrine, which always belongs to a Church (capital C) which is no more than a denomination/sect of the church.

What any sect says isn't what all Christians believe in!

For starters i'm not a prat :p....

so ur saying all churches all faith? because if u aint i don't know what ur on about:confused::confused:

[phildee3]

to this day i havn't found a church that believes what i believe..::



I don't think anyone has,
unless they believe what they're told to believe.

[truth finder]

I don't think anyone has,
unless they believe what they're told to believe.

This why i don't go to church....

and i don't mean the Catholic church i mean all churches....

[bluegrazz]

Whats a prat?

[phildee3]

For starters i'm not a prat.



I know -
that's what I said.



so ur saying all churches all faith?



Well, no. Not exactly (now you're thinkin'!).

The church is the collective of all who are of Christ,
who are in him, and have him in them,
who know his love and want nothing more than the comfort and wellbeing of all.

They are in all faiths and in no faith - as are the evil ones.

[phildee3]

This why i don't go to church....

and i don't mean the Catholic church i mean all churches....



Cool.

As an ordained acolyte - a mystical member of the church but not affiliated to any "Church" - I occasionally organise a free-thinker's mass. No dogma and no preaching allowed.
You'd be welcome any time.

[truth finder]

Cool.


ok...:)

[not amused]

Whats a prat?
a prat is a silly person.. there is a hint of choice language coming from the godsquad don't you think?

[bluegrazz]

a prat is a silly person.. there is a hint of choice language coming from the godsquad don't you think?

lol thanks. Ive never heard the term before.

[phildee3]

Whats a prat?



Someone who thinks that anyone who asks, "What's a prat?" isn't being funny!

There's not alot I find really funny, but this one made me laugh bg!

[bluegrazz]

Someone who thinks that anyone who asks, "What's a prat?" isn't being funny!

There's not alot I find really funny, but this one made me laugh bg!

lol- glad my ignorance amuses someone. :)

[truth finder]

Cool.

As an ordained acolyte - a mystical member of the church but not affiliated to any "Church" - I occasionally organise a free-thinker's mass. No dogma and no preaching allowed.
You'd be welcome any time.


So whats the basis of ur beliefs? and where u from?

[phildee3]

lol thanks. Ive never heard the term before.



Easy now bg.
I'm starting to think you mean it.
Where's the synical smiley??

[bluegrazz]

No i really do mean it- Ive never heard that term used before (or if i have i maybe thought someone was saying "brat")

Its true that you learn something new everyday- Its 11:35 am here and my learning for today is already done :)

[phildee3]

So whats the basis of ur beliefs?



I don't have any.
No beliefs, no doctrine, no dogma (there's already more than enough of those!),
just the love and power (hopefully) of Christ.



..and where u from?



I'm from where we are all from -
the great oversoul!


D'ya mean where am I now?
Where my house is?
Where my previous residence is?
Where I was raised?
Where I was born?
Which planet did I incrnate on before this one?

[phildee3]

No i really do mean it- Ive never heard that term used before (or if i have i maybe thought someone was saying "brat")

Its true that you learn something new everyday- Its 11:35 am here and my learning for today is already done :)



Prat.







Just kidding. ;)

[edelweiss pirate]

Are pagan God-haters with mulitple personality disorder ruining this forum?

Mebbbeee...

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Are people that haven't the slightest fuck-wit idea about what they're talking about ruining this forum?..

Are people whom have been molested, however to make sure they don't an hero convince themselves that they were abducted ruining this forum?

Is religious arguments that will go on for 1000's of years ruining this forum?

Is David Icke, ruining this forum?

These questions are left unanswered. Google, has so far given us nothing. We must find these answers.

[phildee3]

Are people that haven't the slightest fuck-wit idea about what they're talking about ruining this forum?..

Are people whom have been molested, however to make sure they don't an hero convince themselves that they were abducted ruining this forum?

Is religious arguments that will go on for 1000's of years ruining this forum?

Is David Icke, ruining this forum?

These questions are left unanswered. Google, has so far given us nothing. We must find these answers.

:D

[bluegrazz]

Prat.







Just kidding. ;)

:D

[phildee3]

No i really do mean it



Apologies bg.
I just noticed you're from KY.
With your handle and avatar I should have noticed.

Joke's on me!

[bluegrazz]

Apologies bg.
I just noticed you're from KY.
With your handle and avatar I should have noticed.

Joke's on me!

Okay- here come the KY jokes lol... And yes, I have all my Teeth =P

That being said- The , uh, Kentucky stereotype isnt purely a figment of imagination... There is some truth to these tales.

[truth finder]

I don't have any.
No beliefs, no doctrine, no dogma (there's already more than enough of those!),
just the love and power (hopefully) of Christ.



I'm from where we are all from -
the great oversoul!


D'ya mean where am I now?
Where my house is?
Where my previous residence is?
Where I was raised?
Where I was born?
Which planet did I incrnate on before this one?


:)

I mean country of residence...i'm from Australia an u r from?

[phildee3]

I mean country of residence...i'm from Australia an u r from?



Presently, England.
But that's not where I'm from, it's where I am.

Does this have any bearing on the discussion or are you just being friendly?

[truth finder]

Presently, England.
But that's not where I'm from, it's where I am.

Does this have any bearing on the discussion or are you just being friendly?


Just curiosty......no hidden agenda...

[not amused]

No i really do mean it- Ive never heard that term used before (or if i have i maybe thought someone was saying "brat")

Its true that you learn something new everyday- Its 11:35 am here and my learning for today is already done :)
do you know what a WILF is ?

[bluegrazz]

I know what MILF is :D

no, not WILF

[not amused]

I know what MILF is :D

no, not WILF yes yes we know what a milf is.....a WILF is someone who is a prat and a wally, a true wilf doesn't know he's a wilf..;)

[zero1]

Michael Christopher,

I've noticed that you engage the Christians on this forum in debate, trying to reason with them. Clearly, this isn't working; you cannot debate them in this way. They do not, will not, listen.

The vast majority of Christians on this forum care little about God or debating theism, but care a whole lot (too much) about Lucifer/Satan, and things to do with that concept, that aspect of the Christian religion.

As I've said before, the evangelical Protestant Christian, and Protestants are the majority of those on here yammering on about Lucifer and Satanism, wants nothing less than the Devil incarnate on Earth. It is their most fervent desire to usher in the apocalypse. It is their most deeply held suspicion that anyone who disagrees with these desires is a lover of Satan and evil. Bashing Satanism makes them feel like the men they actually aren't, cannot ever be.

Really, the unspoken reason they want a Devil figure to be manifest, is so they can take all their hate, rage and envy out on him, thus finding at last release for all their own personal inadequacies. Evengelical Christians are like men who can't get it up; repressed, unhappy, eager to spread misery and paranoia all around.

The simplest answer to all this is; don't engage in debate with them. Just let them waffle on about Satan until the cows come home.

Don't let them affect you.

The flipside of this is that David Icke attracts these sorts; the reason being that he (Icke) frequently promotes his conspiracy theories using the angle of Satanism. That is, he will on the one hand say all religions are bunk and tools of mind-control, yet on another claim that world leaders are engaged in black magic and Satanism, and attack these practices from a POV of being clearly anti-Satanism. There is a whole sub-forum on Satanism on here; thus Icke is selectively using elements of the religions he disclaims to convey an idea of evil which fits well with traditional evangelical Christian conceptions.

From my perspective, it's all nonsense really.

[nectars]

Okay- here come the KY jokes lol... And yes, I have all my Teeth =P

That being said- The , uh, Kentucky stereotype isnt purely a figment of imagination... There is some truth to these tales.

I was thinking more along this line....

http://98.130.209.130/upload/editor/KYJelly01.jpg

:D

[truth finder]

Michael Christopher,

I've noticed that you engage the Christians on this forum in debate, trying to reason with them. Clearly, this isn't working; you cannot debate them in this way. They do not, will not, listen.

The vast majority of Christians on this forum care little about God or debating theism, but care a whole lot (too much) about Lucifer/Satan, and things to do with that concept, that aspect of the Christian religion.

As I've said before, the evangelical Protestant Christian, and Protestants are the majority of those on here yammering on about Lucifer and Satanism, wants nothing less than the Devil incarnate on Earth. It is their most fervent desire to usher in the apocalypse. It is their most deeply held suspicion that anyone who disagrees with these desires is a lover of Satan and evil. Bashing Satanism makes them feel like the men they actually aren't, cannot ever be.

Really, the unspoken reason they want a Devil figure to be manifest, is so they can take all their hate, rage and envy out on him, thus finding at last release for all their own personal inadequacies. Evengelical Christians are like men who can't get it up; repressed, unhappy, eager to spread misery and paranoia all around.

The simplest answer to all this is; don't engage in debate with them. Just let them waffle on about Satan until the cows come home.

Don't let them affect you.

The flipside of this is that David Icke attracts these sorts; the reason being that he (Icke) frequently promotes his conspiracy theories using the angle of Satanism. That is, he will on the one hand say all religions are bunk and tools of mind-control, yet on another claim that world leaders are engaged in black magic and Satanism, and attack these practices from a POV of being clearly anti-Satanism. There is a whole sub-forum on Satanism on here; thus Icke is selectively using elements of the religions he disclaims to convey an idea of evil which fits well with traditional evangelical Christian conceptions.

From my perspective, it's all nonsense really.


Well u can't believe in one and not the other.....and plus its mc that always starts the threads looking for bites....

[amethyst]

What's an evangelical Christian?

Isn't that a term made up by the illusionary media to stereotype a certain category of people?

[bluegrazz]

I was thinking more along this line....

http://98.130.209.130/upload/editor/KYJelly01.jpg

:D

lololololol

(astroglide's better)

[thirdwave]

Michael Christopher,

I've noticed that you engage the Christians on this forum in debate, trying to reason with them. Clearly, this isn't working; you cannot debate them in this way. They do not, will not, listen.

The vast majority of Christians on this forum care little about God or debating theism, but care a whole lot (too much) about Lucifer/Satan, and things to do with that concept, that aspect of the Christian religion.

As I've said before, the evangelical Protestant Christian, and Protestants are the majority of those on here yammering on about Lucifer and Satanism, wants nothing less than the Devil incarnate on Earth. It is their most fervent desire to usher in the apocalypse. It is their most deeply held suspicion that anyone who disagrees with these desires is a lover of Satan and evil. Bashing Satanism makes them feel like the men they actually aren't, cannot ever be.

Really, the unspoken reason they want a Devil figure to be manifest, is so they can take all their hate, rage and envy out on him, thus finding at last release for all their own personal inadequacies. Evengelical Christians are like men who can't get it up; repressed, unhappy, eager to spread misery and paranoia all around.

The simplest answer to all this is; don't engage in debate with them. Just let them waffle on about Satan until the cows come home.

Don't let them affect you.

The flipside of this is that David Icke attracts these sorts; the reason being that he (Icke) frequently promotes his conspiracy theories using the angle of Satanism. That is, he will on the one hand say all religions are bunk and tools of mind-control, yet on another claim that world leaders are engaged in black magic and Satanism, and attack these practices from a POV of being clearly anti-Satanism. There is a whole sub-forum on Satanism on here; thus Icke is selectively using elements of the religions he disclaims to convey an idea of evil which fits well with traditional evangelical Christian conceptions.

From my perspective, it's all nonsense really.

Very true and well put....

though forums are great tools for information, and its healthy that religious people trying to brand authors as crooked or weak because they do not support their faith, are challenged with countering in smeared info...

In general I think the truth is pretty clear now anyway... but it is still important for people to learn about the depth and importance of this alternative and for so long ignored info.

I personally feel when I am pushing this information out there and supporting it, I am doing a useful and good thing, even if you do go around in circles allot.

[stfd]

Very true and well put....

though forums are great tools for information, and its healthy that religious people trying to brand authors as crooked or weak because they do not support their faith, are challenged with countering in smeared info...

In general I think the truth is pretty clear now anyway... but it is still important for people to learn about the depth and importance of this alternative and for so long ignored info.

I personally feel when I am pushing this information out there and supporting it, I am doing a useful and good thing, even if you do go around in circles allot.

Oh yea the truth has always been clear also the lie , it has also been clearly available for the checking all along.

I personally feel you are not doing a good thing pushing this 'alternative view' and suporting it.
Is very bad , destructive but thankfully is ultimatelly pointless as in the end all will be settled.

[clachan]

I first came across Micheal Christopher when he started the thread " Prove Jesus existed"....it became quits obvious after only 2 or 3 posts that he,d started that thread to lure Christians in so he could vent his scorn.
He set out his bait and pounced on all comers Christian,now he,s continuing his campaign here.....I think the mods should watch his posts and see for themselves.
He is using this forum to incite religious hatred,is that what DI wants here ?

[danceswithbunnies]

I first came across Micheal Christopher when he started the thread " Prove Jesus existed"....it became quits obvious after only 2 or 3 posts that he,d started that thread to lure Christians in so he could vent his scorn.
He set out his bait and pounced on all comers Christian,now he,s continuing his campaign here.....I think the mods should watch his posts and see for themselves.
He is using this forum to incite religious hatred,is that what DI wants here ?


You and miracles and armoured amazon are the worst offenders.

Couldn't leave my thread about Witchcraft alone could you?

Totally hijacked and derailed into some argument about your christian doctrine.

The constant verbal abuse and harrassment by you three on the Religion forum has actually gotten a few people to leave the David Icke forum.

The reason people hate you is because you derail threads, spew verbal sewage at people and then act self righteous and pretend to be "persecuted" when folks give you the same treatment in return.

He doesn't have to incite religious hatred...you do a fine job of making people dislike christians all by your actions and posts.

[stfd]

I first came across Micheal Christopher when he started the thread " Prove Jesus existed"....it became quits obvious after only 2 or 3 posts that he,d started that thread to lure Christians in so he could vent his scorn.
He set out his bait and pounced on all comers Christian,now he,s continuing his campaign here.....I think the mods should watch his posts and see for themselves.
He is using this forum to incite religious hatred,is that what DI wants here ?



hmmm true true ... the (actual) purpose of this forum/site is yet to be determined.

[clachan]

I don't think we should get rid of the religion forum, but I do think we should rename it to something like "Religious fraud", because it seems to me that this is the true purpose for its existence--to expose the fraud in religion. Instead, we have some here who think that the Religion forum exists as a forum in which to propagandize in favor of their particular fraud of religion. Of course, they could still do that with a name change to the forum, but at least changing the name of the Religion forum to "Religious fraud" would put it in its proper perspective.

So what religions qualify ?? And wheres the proof a religion is a fraud ?
What if large parts of DI,s theories tie in with your religion ?
The OP is more often than not in the "Religion" section simply to try and give Christians a good beating[though he always comes of 2nd best],why are the mods letting him use the forum as position from which he came vent hie hatred ??
This thread is to see if he can gain support for his "hate campaign",a step towards controlling the forum....who will he turn on next ?

[zero1]

hmmm true true ... the (actual) purpose of this forum/site is yet to be determined.

Coming here first, the impression is that it is what it is; a forum to talk about Icke's work, the conspiracy, and related topics. But as time goes by, it can seem like that is a slightly naive conclusion. :( If this forum is for any other purpose than 'what it says on the tin', so to speak, there should be a mass exodus @ once; and people should have the right to have all their profiles and posts deleted. Because that would be fraudulence.

[clachan]

You and miracles and armoured amazon are the worst offenders.

Couldn't leave my thread about Witchcraft alone could you?

Totally hijacked and derailed into some argument about your christian doctrine.

The constant verbal abuse and harrassment by you three on the Religion forum has actually gotten a few people to leave the David Icke forum.

The reason people hate you is because you derail threads, spew verbal sewage at people and then act self righteous and pretend to be "persecuted" when folks give you the same treatment in return.

He doesn't have to incite religious hatred...you do a fine job of making people dislike christians all by your actions and posts.

This is lies. I was involved in paganism for years and never ever posted onto your thread with the intention of derailing it.
Im entitled to defend myself against hate filled aggitators like MC.
Why did he start the thread "Prove Jesus existed" ???? It was a Christian trap and so it is he who is guilty of kicking off the hatred,he has always been rude,disrespectfull and horrible to me....
My father was not a religious man and he taught me that if i ever got hit i was to hit back,that has stuck with me.
IMO...you tell lots of lies.

[brucel]

Im right hear baby! :)

oops. i was hoping that you wouldn't see that. lol


good to read you & know that you here too...baby. :D

[brucel]

Are you a Christian?, if not, why not?

maybe/maybe not. hope that answer your question
zeitgeist is NWO propaganda into accepting venus
project/satan as the one-ruler over all mankind...loll

seriously though, one cannot expect for the attacks
on christianity made in z-movies to go unchallenged
wherein I believe lie michael christopher’s problem

common sense alone should tell people that the
luciferians behind making of z-movies is suspect
but, I admit undeniable truth is spoken in them.....

therefore expect a debate!!!!

expect people to disagree with you, expect a rebuttal

expect others to bring their a-game, U2 should do the
same if you’re a jew expect christians to loathe your
people for killing the messiah let’s face it [they] are much
nicer to deal with then Adolf Hitler/nazi sympathizers. :confused:

[nectars]

lololololol

(astroglide's better)

lol, my GF refuses to use anything other than the following tbh...

http://www.viewpoints.com/images/review/2009/87/13/1238264872-18253_full.jpg

...says theres more sensation through it(I agree!) :D

[clachan]

Coming here first, the impression is that it is what it is; a forum to talk about Icke's work, the conspiracy, and related topics. But as time goes by, it can seem like that is a slightly naive conclusion. :( If this forum is for any other purpose than 'what it says on the tin', so to speak, there should be a mass exodus @ once; and people should have the right to have all their profiles and posts deleted. Because that would be fraudulence.

I came here after years of reading DI,it just so happens that evil governments,reptiles,NWO order seemed to fit in with prophecy IMO.
So by the very nature of DI,s work religion plays an important part,eg...is Satan as described in Genesis anything to do with the Anannaki/reptillians,is there a link ?
Is the return of Christ anything to do with the awakening of Man ? There are lots more too.This is where Christians and others should try and find common ground,not bloody well fighting over the existence of a prophet who preached...LOVE EACHOTHER

[ic_ic]

Michael Christopher,

I've noticed that you engage the Christians on this forum in debate, trying to reason with them. Clearly, this isn't working; you cannot debate them in this way. They do not, will not, listen.

The vast majority of Christians on this forum care little about God or debating theism, but care a whole lot (too much) about Lucifer/Satan, and things to do with that concept, that aspect of the Christian religion.

As I've said before, the evangelical Protestant Christian, and Protestants are the majority of those on here yammering on about Lucifer and Satanism, wants nothing less than the Devil incarnate on Earth. It is their most fervent desire to usher in the apocalypse. It is their most deeply held suspicion that anyone who disagrees with these desires is a lover of Satan and evil. Bashing Satanism makes them feel like the men they actually aren't, cannot ever be.

Really, the unspoken reason they want a Devil figure to be manifest, is so they can take all their hate, rage and envy out on him, thus finding at last release for all their own personal inadequacies. Evengelical Christians are like men who can't get it up; repressed, unhappy, eager to spread misery and paranoia all around.

The simplest answer to all this is; don't engage in debate with them. Just let them waffle on about Satan until the cows come home.

:eek: Excellent post. You summed up the whole horrifying jig beautifully succinctly :)

[schaff]

Very true and well put....

though forums are great tools for information, and its healthy that religious people trying to brand authors as crooked or weak because they do not support their faith, are challenged with countering in smeared info...

In general I think the truth is pretty clear now anyway... but it is still important for people to learn about the depth and importance of this alternative and for so long ignored info.

I personally feel when I am pushing this information out there and supporting it, I am doing a useful and good thing, even if you do go around in circles allot.

Fucking heck i nearly spat me beer all over me monitor.
i voted no because most if not any are evangelical Christians .

[measle_weasel]

I will have to say no, Evangelical Christians are not ruining this forum. Illogic and unreason are what brings down any place created with the purpose of sharing differing ideas and philosophies.

Are most christians brainwashed and indoctrinated to believe things unsupported by critical investigation? Yes, but so are any number of the flighty new-age types that also populate this board. As soon as a person starts listening to someone else and depending on that other person or object to tell them what the truth is, theyve at that point given up on logic and reason, and have become in effect just an extension of that other person or object, a projection of their dogma, if you will.

Trying to argue with a projection of dogma is exactly the same in principle as trying to argue with the characters on a television show. Just as the characters on the TV are a projection of the script theyve chosen to act out, hardcore religious folk are simply projections of the dogma they have chosen to adhere to. Rational thought is replaced with doctrine as the primary point of reference for determining if something is good or not, thus trying to combat doctrine with logic alone is often futile.

Religion itself is not the mind trap, per se... failing to think for yourself by rejecting logic, reason and critcal thinking is, and leaves you extremely vulnerable to outside manipulation.

[jiffy]

can I change my vote to yes


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81300

[edelweiss pirate]

Michael Christopher,

I've noticed that you engage the Christians on this forum in debate, trying to reason with them. Clearly, this isn't working; you cannot debate them in this way. They do not, will not, listen.

The vast majority of Christians on this forum care little about God or debating theism, but care a whole lot (too much) about Lucifer/Satan, and things to do with that concept, that aspect of the Christian religion.

As I've said before, the evangelical Protestant Christian, and Protestants are the majority of those on here yammering on about Lucifer and Satanism, wants nothing less than the Devil incarnate on Earth. It is their most fervent desire to usher in the apocalypse. It is their most deeply held suspicion that anyone who disagrees with these desires is a lover of Satan and evil. Bashing Satanism makes them feel like the men they actually aren't, cannot ever be.

Really, the unspoken reason they want a Devil figure to be manifest, is so they can take all their hate, rage and envy out on him, thus finding at last release for all their own personal inadequacies. Evengelical Christians are like men who can't get it up; repressed, unhappy, eager to spread misery and paranoia all around.

The simplest answer to all this is; don't engage in debate with them. Just let them waffle on about Satan until the cows come home.

Don't let them affect you.

The flipside of this is that David Icke attracts these sorts; the reason being that he (Icke) frequently promotes his conspiracy theories using the angle of Satanism. That is, he will on the one hand say all religions are bunk and tools of mind-control, yet on another claim that world leaders are engaged in black magic and Satanism, and attack these practices from a POV of being clearly anti-Satanism. There is a whole sub-forum on Satanism on here; thus Icke is selectively using elements of the religions he disclaims to convey an idea of evil which fits well with traditional evangelical Christian conceptions.

From my perspective, it's all nonsense really.



I don't think you're being honest with yourself or this forum.


As I've said before, the evangelical Protestant Christian, and Protestants are the majority of those on here yammering on about Lucifer and Satanism, wants nothing less than the Devil incarnate on Earth.

That's a strange thing to say and I feel reflects your own negative experiences more than what people like myself actually believe.

How about if I say all the people who are trying to expose masonic paedophilia are really paedophiles themselves..

Your logic is on the same level. Not to be encouraged.

BTW:

Read Michael Christopher's thread. Does Jesus exist? If you can honestly tell me he encourages and favours debate then you're a better liar than I.

[brucel]

can I change my vote to yes


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81300

care to say why ?

[phildee3]

I say let them spout their garbage.
The more they spout, the more foolish they make themselves look and the sooner their "movement" will end.

[clachan]

Thisi s the 2nd attempt,as far as i know,that MC has attempted to cause conflict with Christians......he persues us,not us him.
What if i started a thread " Are gays ruining this forum?"....I,d expect to cause a bloody big row=division=WAR !!
That is his objective IMHO

[jiffy]

care to say why ?

If I need to say why (and you read it) then your to far gone to have a reasonable educated NON COGNITIVE debate!!

[danceswithbunnies]

Thisi s the 2nd attempt,as far as i know,that MC has attempted to cause conflict with Christians......he persues us,not us him.
What if i started a thread " Are gays ruining this forum?"....I,d expect to cause a bloody big row=division=WAR !!
That is his objective IMHO


this has been brewing for over 6 months

Interesting because from my memory you guys hound people with genuinely ugly comments and then get indignant when someone gives it back to you.
then you go and back edit your comments to make it look like you weren't spewing bile.

[el jefe]

A lot of sand in the vag there michael christopher, time for a cleaning?

[funkyjesus]

I have to say, it's quite difficult to read a thread on this forum without having someone post messages with endless streams of pictures of someone doing the sign language gesture for "I love you" accusing it of being Satan followed increasingly large black font and at the end, some stupid bible quote.

It's off putting to the extreme and quite bizarre considering how anti-organised religion David Icke is.

[jiffy]

It's off putting to the extreme and quite bizarre considering how anti-organised religion David Icke is.

Spot on;)

[clachan]

this has been brewing for over 6 months

Interesting because from my memory you guys hound people with genuinely ugly comments and then get indignant when someone gives it back to you.
then you go and back edit your comments to make it look like you weren't spewing bile.

I have NEVER,EVER edited my comments.....another lie.

[alexc]

I have NEVER,EVER edited my comments.....another lie.

Atheists lying about a Christian???

Why that's unpossible!

[brucel]

If I need to say why (and you read it) then your to far gone to have a reasonable educated NON COGNITIVE debate!!

could never get a str8 answer...
that's exactly what's WRONG with you *christians* ain't it. :rolleyes:

[themime]

this is my first ever debate about religion, so treat me gently please..

Ahhh sure now you just come with me.... trust me I'm a priest.

[jiffy]

could never get a str8 answer...
that's exactly what's WRONG with you *christians* ain't it. :rolleyes:

[B]Tim Rifat: lunatic
The end result is to evict humanity from the earth and just have the Rothschilds in command of the bodies which they use for vehicles for their demons. If there are any humans left, they can be used for torture-slaves for magic rituals in the camps. This is what the Rothchilds are actually planning. I know it sounds insane, but if you look at the facts of what they are doing, it all fits perfectly. I thought I'd stray slightly from the geopolitics into the Rothschilds field, to let the Christians in America know that Obama and Gordon Brown have an agenda which fits perfectly into the world view of the Christians in America, it’s just they are on the other side.
http://www.supernaturalspirit.com/rense_radio_show.html

enough said ramblings of a fucking mad man................ straight enough for you

[danceswithbunnies]

Atheists lying about a Christian???

Why that's unpossible!

Fascinating..i have never been called an atheist before.

and no its not a lie.

[mountain]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mine is that all mainstream religion is far too corrupt to be trusted. Find your own!

And I don't think the forum has really been the same since THIS. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12144&page=15&)

Peace

I couldn't agree more :)

[phildee3]

What's an evangelical Christian?



The original, dictionary definition is those who spread the good news of the gospel.

Nothing wrong with that.

But the popular, newspeak definition is those demon-posessed mind controllers, and their willing subjects, the likes of which can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

Pink Voodoo, anyone?

[clachan]

Fascinating..i have never been called an atheist before.

and no its not a lie.

A lie on top of a lie on top of a lie,

Would you like to prove that i go back and edit my comments ?
Should be easy,go to the mods and research you claim,one of us can be a prooved liar...so go on,lets see who,s lying if you dare.
If you dont then i will if i get time.
The ONLY form of editing ive ever done is immediatly after posting if i spot an error....NEVER AFTER THAT.
I think this is on thread as the idea here is draft a "mob" to set about a faction of the forum you hate....and you are lying about me to slur my character and get others to join you in your efforts.

I DO NOT GO BACK AND EDIT MY POSTS...YOU ARE LYING !!!!!

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Let's ask ourselves a question here.

Okeedokeee! :) :confused:


Perhaps some of you don't read the religious forum, and you are only able to see what evangelical/fundamentalist Christians post in the general forum, but that should be more than enough.

Why would that be so?!?, :confused: I would appreciate further clarification of that declaration

I am getting fed up with people getting off the hook for breaking TOS rules around here. Evangelical Christians seem to be allowed to call people names and make ridiculous insinuations simply because it's part of their religion. It is not apparently against the rules to call non-Christians Satanic devil worshipers repeatedly, or to insinuate that they are part of the Illuminati, or to flat out lie about them. It is not against the forum rules apparently to follow people around through all of their posts, troll and dog them, to constantly try to derail threads, or to personally attack people instead of attacking the information they present. Evangelical Christians and Muslims are trying to take over this forum by bullying those who disagree with them. You would wonder why people like this would come to the David Icke forum when David Icke has made it poignantly clear that he believes all religions are frauds and lies designed to ensnare the mind.

I Feel Ya Baby!! Cry Me A River, we'll Build a Bridge and do the Funky Chicken!! Woot!

There are many good Christians and Muslims on this forum who do not go around attacking and trolling, but the fact is, there are at least equally as many horrible ones, if not more. These people never debate with facts, just false accusations of Satanism. Should this be against the rules? Isn't it against the rules to harass someone by calling them names and making stupid ad-hominem attacks against them which are based completely in unreality?

See?!? Not ALL Bad; Not ALL Good Either!!

Concentrate on the Good!!

As for the Decorum on this Forum, it is like Paradise compared to the Original.

It was like Lord of the Flies!!
:)


Do you believe this should be a bannable offense?

wouldn't that be: Banable? If you can't Spell It, you can't do it! ;)

Is it okay to imply that anti-religionists are all followers of Satan or worshipers of some other devil? Why can't religion be debated using facts and philosophy instead of calling names and throwing out bogus bullshit?

I think moderators need to really clamp down on this. There is a LOT of hateful bullshit like this, a lot of trolling, a lot of ganging up and attacking, and it's been happening for a long time now. It seems like it's considered okay because it's part of religion to call anti-religionists Satanists, but I guess that makes David Icke a Satanist. Isn't it clear that people who are opposed to Icke's ideas and who come here only to spread their religion through force and abuse are trolls? I mean, how obvious can it be?

Looks to me like you're the one lacking the 'Sand'!!

Looks like you can dish it out but can't take it.

So 'Transparent' :(

If you want to run with the Big Dogs you can't be shittin like a puppy!

Stay on the Porch next time Bubba!! :p

People should be free to believe whatever they want. They should be free to attack institutions and ideas here. But they should not be free to spread insults and call names.

Perhaps; if you really think about it; they love you so much that they take their precious time to craft a strident rebuke of your own self generated inanity?

It's like Motoring, you probably get home from a Trip and report to your significant other/or not, that other Motorists are Terribly rude.!

Dozens of them curse at you every time you drive, they blow their horns incessantly.

Why?!? Why u ask?? :confused:

Maybe because you are a lousy driver.

Perhaps it is your Posting skills that need to become; more 'Adroit', shall we say?

After all, it is the Paganic that provide a Target Rich Environment.
I think if David Icke came to this forum he would have a lot to say about the religionist attack on this place.[/QUOTE]

If anything; Mr. Icke has proven that he is no milquetoast Mickey Mouse.

I reckon he would give as good as he got.

Work with me mikey!! :)

I am attempting to Forge Corporate Solidarity with the Jewish and Christian Posters of this Board.

The Jews and Christians are Yahwists is denial.

Be Cool :cool:

[brucel]

Originally Posted by uloodara
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mine is that all mainstream religion is far too corrupt to be trusted. Find your own!

And I don't think the forum has really been the same since THIS.

Peace

I couldn't agree more :)

the moral of the story is...
Matthew 7:1-5 (King James Version)
verse one...

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

[michael christopher]

Alright, ya'll.

They are going to keep trolling. People who don't know what trolling is and keep defending hate - well, that's your prerogative. But the fact that there are some moderators here who will let people like miracles continue to post is a joke. The abuse and hate-filled diatribes he goes on, the attempts to derail threads, the constant illegitimate and constant attacks as a Satanist - I mean, seriously.

You have to be just silly to not know what trolling looks like.

But some people like it, I guess. BTW you people who keep trying to engage in a debate with me over my OP are wasting your time. I have made my point and my opinion perfectly clear and I'm not getting into a stupid little snapping feud with you. I'm doing you all a favor anyway, you'd end up looking really bad if I decided to engage.

[kappy0405]

..But the fact that there are some moderators here who will let people like miracles continue to post is a joke. The abuse and hate-filled diatribes he goes on, the attempts to derail threads, the constant illegitimate and constant attacks as a Satanist - I mean, seriously.

You have to be just silly to not know what trolling looks like.

i have to agree with this.. I don't like calling someone out individually, but I've seen this person tell someone to slash their wrists before and constantly resort to insults after being treated himself quite respectfully. Tannah, for one, has been extremely patient with him/her in trying to discuss religion but has taken in hundreds of insults in the meantime. It only took me a few minutes to realize this person was being deliberately vitriolic and trollish.

[danceswithbunnies]

I think i saw that one too Kappy0405..

But then i am still giddy from the compliment of being lauded as an "atheist"..so it may have gone to my head and messed up my memory..

A lie on top of a lie on top of a lie,

Would you like to prove that i go back and edit my comments ?
Should be easy,go to the mods and research you claim,one of us can be a prooved liar...so go on,lets see who,s lying if you dare.
If you dont then i will if i get time.
The ONLY form of editing ive ever done is immediatly after posting if i spot an error....NEVER AFTER THAT.
I think this is on thread as the idea here is draft a "mob" to set about a faction of the forum you hate....and you are lying about me to slur my character and get others to join you in your efforts.

I DO NOT GO BACK AND EDIT MY POSTS...YOU ARE LYING !!!!!

Fascinating.

http://www.giftsandfreeadvice.com/free_advice/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/spock.jpg

[truth finder]

Alright, ya'll.

They are going to keep trolling. People who don't know what trolling is and keep defending hate - well, that's your prerogative. But the fact that there are some moderators here who will let people like miracles continue to post is a joke. The abuse and hate-filled diatribes he goes on, the attempts to derail threads, the constant illegitimate and constant attacks as a Satanist - I mean, seriously.

You have to be just silly to not know what trolling looks like.

But some people like it, I guess. BTW you people who keep trying to engage in a debate with me over my OP are wasting your time. I have made my point and my opinion perfectly clear and I'm not getting into a stupid little snapping feud with you. I'm doing you all a favor anyway, you'd end up looking really bad if I decided to engage.



So u want every one in the forrum to agree with u?
I've read alot of your post, and u do bring alot of info and i enjoy reading your post,
But not the religius ones, as the debate will never end u keep adding fuel to the fire...

like i said i do enjoy most of post exept the religius ones....

And certain people ( no names mentioned ) have to let other people have there say although u may not believe it aint a reason to get nasty...i think u know who u all are:)

[kappy0405]

So u want every one in the forrum to agree with u?
I've read alot of your post, and u do bring alot of info and i enjoy reading your post,
But not the religius ones, as the debate will never end u keep adding fuel to the fire...

like i said i do enjoy most of post exept the religius ones....

And certain people ( no names mentioned ) have to let other people have there say although u may not believe it aint a reason to get nasty...i think u know who u all are:)

MC never criticized debating religion.. just the trollish behavior coming from certain evangelical religionists here.. mainly ones who constantly berate others because of their views and constantly derail threads in the meantime just to do so.

[truth finder]

MC never criticized debating religion.. just the trollish behavior coming from certain evangelical religionists here.. mainly ones who constantly berate others because of their views and constantly derail threads in the meantime just to do so.


Thats what i'm saying, its supposed to be a religus thread but by page 5 it just gets nasty and personal, like i said before i enjoy reading mc post ( i might come to one i don't agree with but i don't get nasty) or make fun of other peoples beliefs..:)

[ic_ic]

I've been lurking here for a while and i gotta say, it sure seems like the Christo-fascists are a protected species around here.


Maybe the mods just don't want to make waves, or piss off any nutters.

[redskywalker]

no but pointless divisive polls may be. If you don't agree/appreciate the subject matter, then, ignore it. If it is something you feel is negative, rather thn devote energy, as I am here, causing the thread to stay high up the page,
then just rate it a 1 star.

It's the simple way to keep the negativity brought by shills/ trolls /arseholes and the immature to the bare minimum. :)

[thelyran]

...can't see the problem,if one is not religeously inclined,then don't visit the sub-forum.Have'nt seen any problem with christian members.What gets my goat,is one minority group,complaining and discriminating against another minority group....when the OP,has been the loudest of all,at pointing the finger,at other so called discriminist on the boards.
...Psychologist field-day this place at times...

[montag]

Maybe the mods just don't want to make waves, or piss off any nutters.
You need to remember the term 'nutters' is purley subjective, according to mainstream thinking 95% of our members would be considered nutters.

So long as you abide by the forum guidelines anybody is welcome to post on the board..

[miracles]

It's probably pointless of you to debate with a christian.

But other people without your attitude might acknowledge that there are many christians with many different ideas about their faith.

There are some christians who match your description, but there are many who don't.
Actually it pointless to debate with anyone who doesnt give a shit what you believe. :D

Further mores it pointless to publically state that you dont give a shit what people believe and then actually expect them to give as shit what you believe aswell. So if we all just say we don't a give a shit what each other thinks and believes we can all go and watch TV and shut down the forum. Now theres a novel idea.

[miracles]

Are pagan God-haters with mulitple personality disorder ruining this forum?

Mebbbeee...
HAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D

[miracles]

Michael Christopher,

I've noticed that you engage the Christians on this forum in debate, trying to reason with them. Clearly, this isn't working; you cannot debate them in this way. They do not, will not, listen.

The vast majority of Christians on this forum care little about God or debating theism, but care a whole lot (too much) about Lucifer/Satan, and things to do with that concept, that aspect of the Christian religion.

As I've said before, the evangelical Protestant Christian, and Protestants are the majority of those on here yammering on about Lucifer and Satanism, wants nothing less than the Devil incarnate on Earth. It is their most fervent desire to usher in the apocalypse. It is their most deeply held suspicion that anyone who disagrees with these desires is a lover of Satan and evil. Bashing Satanism makes them feel like the men they actually aren't, cannot ever be.

Really, the unspoken reason they want a Devil figure to be manifest, is so they can take all their hate, rage and envy out on him, thus finding at last release for all their own personal inadequacies. Evengelical Christians are like men who can't get it up; repressed, unhappy, eager to spread misery and paranoia all around.

The simplest answer to all this is; don't engage in debate with them. Just let them waffle on about Satan until the cows come home.

Don't let them affect you.

The flipside of this is that David Icke attracts these sorts; the reason being that he (Icke) frequently promotes his conspiracy theories using the angle of Satanism. That is, he will on the one hand say all religions are bunk and tools of mind-control, yet on another claim that world leaders are engaged in black magic and Satanism, and attack these practices from a POV of being clearly anti-Satanism. There is a whole sub-forum on Satanism on here; thus Icke is selectively using elements of the religions he disclaims to convey an idea of evil which fits well with traditional evangelical Christian conceptions.

From my perspective, it's all nonsense really.


Is there? I've never been in there, which makes your point null and void.

[thirdwave]

I voted yes, as I think in %90 of the time, its impossible to have a level and open minded debate about NWO and other related matters with a religious person, as you would either have to get on their perspective, or have an awkward convo, dodging points they would have to avoid... that's the bottom line..

But with regards to the forum being destroyed by them, well I think some of them would like to think they are as over half probably dont like David Icke at all and probably think he and others like him are "Wolves in sheep's cloths"...

I felt a huge religious movement building about a year and a half ago and could see it was coming... Just as I parted from moderating here...

I think the release of Zeitgeist was the main point where it all kicked off, and we now see more videos by Religions attacking those who spread NWO info more than anyone, because they feel spreading Jesus or Allah is obviously more important than the NWO info, so much so that someone spreading NWO info is told to be bad and untrustworthy....

Most of them think the NWO is about destroying Christianity or what ever their religion is... most of that group think its done by Jews... or another opposing religion..

So its a bit hard for that not to have a negative impact on the forum..

Im not sure they have managed to ruin the forum as of yet though, as there are still many good posters here, though many people do get put off from posting as they do not want to be confronted all the time by dogmatic religious peeps... as its kind of like a common view now, "don't even bother arguing as they will just lead you round in circles" .

I will also add that I understand where michael christopher is coming from as you get people start mocking him by creating thread tags to antagonise him as in the "Zeitgeist refuted final cut" thread, If we all done that the forum would be a total mess...

[miracles]

I first came across Micheal Christopher when he started the thread " Prove Jesus existed"....it became quits obvious after only 2 or 3 posts that he,d started that thread to lure Christians in so he could vent his scorn.
He set out his bait and pounced on all comers Christian,now he,s continuing his campaign here.....I think the mods should watch his posts and see for themselves.
He is using this forum to incite religious hatred,is that what DI wants here ?
True

[boots]

Poll's.........Just what we need. A tool to divide the masses. Sometime they are good but not when it come to ego's and belief.


.

[1freethinker]

There is a religious forum here?

Its possible, I may even have been there once. Guess nothin stuck

[phildee3]

Its possible, I may even have been there once. Guess nothin stuck



That's because "the devil" is a glue solvent that permeates everywhere -
especially "religious" forums!

[miracles]

Very true and well put....

though forums are great tools for information, and its healthy that religious people trying to brand authors as crooked or weak because they do not support their faith, are challenged with countering in smeared info...

In general I think the truth is pretty clear now anyway... but it is still important for people to learn about the depth and importance of this alternative and for so long ignored info.

I personally feel when I am pushing this information out there and supporting it, I am doing a useful and good thing, even if you do go around in circles allot.


The fact of the matter is this whole thread was created by MC because he has a resentment against me, (yes folks it's all my fault) that’s all, I don’t let him brow beat me with his usual assaults on the Christian faith, and he cant stand it. I am cleverer, smarter, funnier, wittier and better at insulting him than he is at insulting me, plus I'm much more better looking than him not to mention I'm always right and he is always wrong. And I’m humble too. SO what does he do? He starts a thread to curry support because his demands to moderators that I get banned have not been met. Its just so funny, I mean really it is, it is humorous and childish, is it not?

As a Christian, I have no issue with anyone having a different belief. My issue is when people tell out right blatant lies about the Christian faith with out providing a sceric of evidence to back up these lies, and yet we as Christians are expected to manifest the Lord Jesus Christ himself as proof? It's a double standard which I don’t back down from.

And I have learned to play the game the way it has to be played in here, and I have won.

I’ve gotten under your skins and it sickens you to the eye teeth, why is that, is it because you hate me? No it’s because you are in the world and the world hates the very name of Jesus Christ. My challenge to you all is sit down and really think hard as to where this hatred and I MEAN HATRED is coming from, because there might just be some truth to the words that Christ said, "they will hate you because of me."

I have said this many times before, but this time I am really leaving the forum, it's time for me to move on. Who cares? Probably no one, I’m not asking you too. However there will always be Christians who come to this forum not because they are Christians, but because the are human beings who happen to have a Christian faith, they don’t come to evangelize or proselytize; they come to enjoy the discussions and the topics that we are all interested in. Life! Love, Faith, Hope, Where have we come from? How did we get here? Where are we going?

If you insult a Christian, yes they should probably take it on the chin, I haven’t done that, and yet someone has the audacity to say they have been turned off Christianity because of me, whilst at the same time saying they like the example of other Christians better than me HUH? The thing is you won't be excused on judgment day because I didn’t take shit and gave as good as I got. “But God I rejected Christ because miracles was a smart ass.”

“Tough Shit!” God will say your going down.

God bless you.


Why did I post this to you, Oh yeah what information are you sharing and putting out there and supporting? I havent seen any of it in a year and I have practically begged you for evidence of your claims, you havent ever posted any. Its a talk fest with you. That's all it ever is.

PS:
By the way its the lies and the liars that Ive had a guts full of.

Clachan dont worry about dances with bunnies, its a waste of time, she is the worst form of Christian, the one who walked away from the faith. But God will call her back. She wont get away with that crap for much longer. Oh and DWB, Im leaving this forum because of you. (yeah right!)

[dhama_initiative]

MC is anti christian because he is gay and evangelican christians persecute gays where he lives. He believes that debunking christianity will make the world a better place for people like him. When he posts his debunks, christians refuse to face his challenges, dodging the questions with get outs like "that question isn't important" "why do you care" etc. This simply makes it look to undecided readers of the threads that they are avoiding the hard questions cause they can't answer them.

Feeling that christianity is attacking his gay lifestyle seems real and logical to me, So I don't find the "you have no reason to hate us, your irrational hate proves we have the truth" arguement fair.

He wasn't attacking liberal christians or gnostics etc in this thread - he specifically said evangelicals, which regardless of the word's true meaning has passed into use as a term for fundamentalists today.

[boots]

The fact of the matter is this whole thread was created by MC because he has a resentment against me, (yes folks it's all my fault) that’s all, I don’t let him brow beat me with his usual assaults on the Christian faith, and he cant stand it. I am cleverer, smarter, funnier, wittier and better at insulting him than he is at insulting me, plus I'm much more better looking than him not to mention I'm always right and he is always wrong. And I’m humble too. SO what does he do? He starts a thread to curry support because his demands to moderators that I get banned have not been met. Its just so funny, I mean really it is, it is humorous and childish, is it not?

As a Christian, I have no issue with anyone having a different belief. My issue is when people tell out right blatant lies about the Christian faith with out providing a sceric of evidence to back up these lies, and yet we as Christians are expected to manifest the Lord Jesus Christ himself as proof? It's a double standard which I don’t back down from.

And I have learned to play the game the way it has to be played in here, and I have won.

I’ve gotten under your skins and it sickens you to the eye teeth, why is that, is it because you hate me? No it’s because you are in the world and the world hates the very name of Jesus Christ. My challenge to you all is sit down and really think hard as to where this hatred and I MEAN HATRED is coming from, because there might just be some truth to the words that Christ said, "they will hate you because of me."

I have said this many times before, but this time I am really leaving the forum, it's time for me to move on. Who cares? Probably no one, I’m not asking you too. However there will always be Christians who come to this forum not because they are Christians, but because the are human beings who happen to have a Christian faith, they don’t come to evangelize or proselytize; they come to enjoy the discussions and the topics that we are all interested in. Life! Love, Faith, Hope, Where have we come from? How did we get here? Where are we going?

If you insult a Christian, yes they should probably take it on the chin, I haven’t done that, and yet someone has the audacity to say they have been turned off Christianity because of me, whilst at the same time saying they like the example of other Christians better than me HUH? The thing is you won't be excused on judgment day because I didn’t take shit and gave as good as I got. “But God I rejected Christ because miracles was a smart ass.”

“Tough Shit!” God will say your going down.

God bless you.


Why did I post this to you, Oh yeah what information are you sharing and putting out there and supporting? I havent seen any of it in a year and I have practically begged you for evidence of your claims, you havent ever posted any. Its a talk fest with you. That's all it ever is.

PS:
By the way its the lies and the liars that Ive had a guts full of.

Clachan dont worry about dances with bunnies, its a waste of time, she is the worst form of Christian, the one who walked away from the faith. But God will call her back. She wont get away with that crap for much longer. Oh and DWB, Im leaving this forum because of you. (yeah right!)


Hello miracles.

Why place all your energy into fighting for a belief. You burn yourself out, which it looks like you have.

Mellow out mate you know Jesus did. They all did in those times. Why, your gunna love this.....Because Jesus was a stoner.


This holy anointing oil, as described in the original Hebrew version of the recipe in Exodus (30:22-23), contained over six pounds of kaneh-bosem, a substance identified by respected etymologists, linguists, anthropologists, botanists and other researchers as cannabis, extracted into about six quarts of olive oil, along with a variety of other fragrant herbs. The ancient anointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture.

Sure have other opinions to give besides religious one's???


.

[thirdwave]

MC is anti christian because he is gay and evangelican christians persecute gays where he lives

.......

He believes that debunking christianity will make the world a better place for people like him.

Well even if that was the case what the hells wrong with that?

If you had a huge cult that viewed you as a Sinful result of Satan, you would hardly look to them with a warm outlook would you?

Anyone who is oppressed by a certain group has the right to expose their wrongs. So I'm not sure you are acting like that is not a valid reason for someone to wish to expose a religion.

Any True Christian will view gay people as sinners, people who will go to hell and who are not doing what God wants, and you could even go so far as them supporting their burning demise in the "end days".... any Christian who does not think this is adopting their own version of the it, and should there for except that various parts of the bible are going to be attacked.

And the bottom line is that the vast majority of religion is built on misleading information, and under any context it is important to set that information straight.

[dhama_initiative]

I do not always agree with MCs confrontation and mocking style, but i often find the Christians decietful and evasive in their rebuttals to him. I have respect for Christ and christians who are putting positivity in the world. I think we can assume MC is talking about pauline/fundie christianity.

[thelyran]

Hello miracles.

Why place all your energy into fighting for a belief. You burn yourself out, which it looks like you have.

Mellow out mate you know Jesus did. They all did in those times. Why, your gunna love this.....Because Jesus was a stoner.


This holy anointing oil, as described in the original Hebrew version of the recipe in Exodus (30:22-23), contained over six pounds of kaneh-bosem, a substance identified by respected etymologists, linguists, anthropologists, botanists and other researchers as cannabis, extracted into about six quarts of olive oil, along with a variety of other fragrant herbs. The ancient anointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture.

Sure have other opinions to give besides religious one's???


.


Hahahahahaha...:D...Used to tell everybody Jesus,was the first Hippie...
I reckon,christianity would be a real buzz,merging with Rastafarianism...mate,
I'll be a fundamentalist,thee must consume 7 grammes per day...of wicked poo
so thou shalt can see me and know me...sign me up:D

[miracles]

Hello miracles.

Why place all your energy into fighting for a belief. You burn yourself out, which it looks like you have.

Mellow out mate you know Jesus did. They all did in those times. Why, your gunna love this.....Because Jesus was a stoner.


This holy anointing oil, as described in the original Hebrew version of the recipe in Exodus (30:22-23), contained over six pounds of kaneh-bosem, a substance identified by respected etymologists, linguists, anthropologists, botanists and other researchers as cannabis, extracted into about six quarts of olive oil, along with a variety of other fragrant herbs. The ancient anointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture.

Sure have other opinions to give besides religious one's???


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Yeah nice one boots. :) But they werent sparking it up and inhaling it.

Im as mellow as it comes, that's why I can put up with MCs crap, and thats why he is doing his nut. :D

If I was pouring all my energy into this place, I'd have enemies all over the shop. I checked out the awakening threads the other day, and I realised its a watse of time, if most people in here believe in that stuff, I kind of realised this place is a bit of an insane asylum to be honest with you. A half way house for those on the way in and those who are coming out.

[miracles]

I do not always agree with MCs confrontation and mocking style, but i often find the Christians decietful and evasive in their rebuttals to him. I have respect for Christ and christians who are putting positivity in the world. I think we can assume MC is talking about pauline/fundie christianity.
Right like the bible you mean? Okay got ya! :rolleyes:

[miracles]

[quote=thelyran;1261772]
I reckon,christianity would be a real buzz,merging with Rastafarianism...mate,
/quote]

Thats pretty much what rastafarianism already is plus a bit hali salasi thrown in

[stfd]

Yeah nice one boots. :) But they werent sparking it up and inhalng it.

Im as mellow as it comes, that's why I can put up with MCs crap, and thats why he is doing his nut. :D

If I was pouring all my energy into this place, I'd have enemies all over the shop. I checked out the awakening threads the other day, and I realised its a watse of time, if most people in here believe in that stuff, I kind of realised this place is a bit of an insane asylum to be honest with you. A half way house for those on the way in and those who are coming out.

I too now question the 'official' purpose of this site/form.
All this is waaaay too 'newagey' to not go hand in hand with the apparent so called 'agenda' of our times.
Perhaps im wrong but damn if i'm right... i have indeed wasted my time and i think some others have as well.
Some time ago someone said - "beware of the false profets"... this keeps coming up and is kinda disturbing.

All in all ... i still dont know how to cancel the account on this forum/site. :(

[thelyran]

[quote=thelyran;1261772]
I reckon,christianity would be a real buzz,merging with Rastafarianism...mate,
/quote]

Thats pretty much what rastafarianism already is plus a bit hali salasi thrown in

Hahahaha:D...not bad at all.Dig the avatar,of Jesus giving the reppie love...
It's what Icke has been saying for years...:D

[boots]

Hahahahahaha...:D...Used to tell everybody Jesus,was the first Hippie...
I reckon,christianity would be a real buzz,merging with Rastafarianism...mate,
I'll be a fundamentalist,thee must consume 7 grammes per day...of wicked poo
so thou shalt can see me and know me...sign me up:D

MUWHAHAHAHA.

I'm converted already.

Yes your esteemed... I shall get stoned and know thy self.

.

[stfd]

MC is anti christian because he is gay and evangelican christians persecute gays where he lives. He believes that debunking christianity will make the world a better place for people like him. When he posts his debunks, christians refuse to face his challenges, dodging the questions with get outs like "that question isn't important" "why do you care" etc. This simply makes it look to undecided readers of the threads that they are avoiding the hard questions cause they can't answer them.

Feeling that christianity is attacking his gay lifestyle seems real and logical to me, So I don't find the "you have no reason to hate us, your irrational hate proves we have the truth" arguement fair.

He wasn't attacking liberal christians or gnostics etc in this thread - he specifically said evangelicals, which regardless of the word's true meaning has passed into use as a term for fundamentalists today.



again and again and again....
and THIS is why i keep coming back , wrong stuff like this, asumptions and misconceptions like this...
dear dude,
I will once more spell it out so it may possibly be as simple as it can.
1. One is NOT a Christian if he persecutes.
2. To be Christian is just that - Christian - not white ,rose, pink, purple with stripes Christian...
People can either be Christian or not simple as that and btw Gnostics aren't Christians but Gnostics (duh).
3.A Christian is Evangelical, or in other words one CANNOT be a Christian if does not adhere by the ευαγγέλιον or Evangelion-which is greek- and means "Good News" WHICH is also know as the Bible.

Period


damn people... get your facts right ...

[miracles]

I too now question the 'official' purpose of this site/form.
All this is waaaay too 'newagey' to not go hand in hand with the apparent so called 'agenda' of our times.
Perhaps im wrong but damn if i'm right... i have indeed wasted my time and i think some others have as well.
Some time ago someone said - "beware of the false profets"... this keeps coming up and is kinda disturbing.

All in all ... i still dont know how to cancel the account on this forum/site. :(
You need to ask a moderator to render you account inactive, you cant cancel it as such

[miracles]

[quote=miracles;1261819]

Hahahaha:D...not bad at all.Dig the avatar,of Jesus giving the reppie love...
It's what Icke has been saying for years...:D

Yes I know and that avatar is taking the piss about it. :D

[boots]

Yeah nice one boots. :) But they werent sparking it up and inhalng it.

Im as mellow as it comes, that's why I can put up with MCs crap, and thats why he is doing his nut. :D

If I was pouring all my energy into this place, I'd have enemies all over the shop. I checked out the awakening threads the other day, and I realised its a watse of time, if most people in here believe in that stuff, I kind of realised this place is a bit of an insane asylum to be honest with you. A half way house for those on the way in and those who are coming out.

NO mate it was going straight into their bloodstream The skin is absorbent ;)

There is a lot more to the world than meets the eye Miracles. There are many different realities. It's about working together and accepting the difference. Not getting caught up in those realities as being gospel.

Thats how you change the world to be a better place for all.

The real insane asylum is the one that accepts the oppression we are under.

Hahaha. I remember George Carlin saying in a vid

"it's the American dream, cause you have to be asleep to believe it".

.

[boots]

I too now question the 'official' purpose of this site/form.
All this is waaaay too 'newagey' to not go hand in hand with the apparent so called 'agenda' of our times.
Perhaps im wrong but damn if i'm right... i have indeed wasted my time and i think some others have as well.
Some time ago someone said - "beware of the false profets"... this keeps coming up and is kinda disturbing.

All in all ... i still dont know how to cancel the account on this forum/site. :(

Just dont log on.

It's that simple.;)

.

[miracles]

NO mate it was going straight into their bloodstream The skin is absorbent ;)

There is a lot more to the world than meets the eye Miracles. There are many different realities. It's about working together and accepting the difference. Not getting caught up in those realities as being gospel.

Thats how you change the world to be a better place for all.

The real insane asylum is the one that accepts the oppression we are under.

Hahaha. I remember George Carlin saying in a vid

"it's the American dream, cause you have to be asleep to believe it".

.

The world will be a better place when Christ returns to rule over it, not before. Jesus Christ is a reality my friend, all else is an illusion.

[dhama_initiative]

Can anyone make any sense of this post?

again and again and again....
and THIS is why i keep coming back , wrong stuff like this, asumptions and misconceptions like this...
dear dude,
I will once more spell it out so it may possibly be as simple as it can.
1. One is NOT a Christian if he persecutes.
2. To be Christian is just that - Christian - not white ,rose, pink, purple with stripes Christian...
People can either be Christian or not simple as that and btw Gnostics aren't Christians but Gnostics (duh).
3.A Christian is Evangelical, or in other words one CANNOT be a Christian if does not adhere by the ευαγγέλιον or Evangelion-which is greek- and means "Good News" WHICH is also know as the Bible.

Period


damn people... get your facts right ...

[boots]

The world will be a better place when Christ returns to rule over it, not before. Jesus Christ is a reality my friend, all else is an illusion.

The Christ is within your heart mate. All else is an illusion.

BTW. My auntie was in the council of ruling nun's and resided within the Vatican, Her job was to oversee all the financial and personal affairs of Europe. Here name was Sister Mary Ursula. Look it up if you care too. You know what, she would never behave the way you are portray yourself. She gained a more worldly view of things and just let them be.

.

[stfd]

Can anyone make any sense of this post?

isnt it funny ?

haha so funny eh !

is so funny , is ridiculous right?

[stfd]

Just dont log on.

It's that simple.;)

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heh i know is just difficult that way.
I might just pop in at any given time.

I want a more 'harsh' approach :D

[edelweiss pirate]

Can anyone make any sense of this post?

Makes sense to me and I agree with him.

Anyone who kills in the name of religion or persecutes people is not technically a Christian. How can they be?

To be a Christian Jesus says ''You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."


In the Matthew version, Jesus says, “I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”

In the letter to the Romans, written more than a decade before Matthew or Luke was written, Paul says, “Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.” “if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink.” Paul also says, in that same passage, “Do not repay anyone evil for evil … never avenge yourselves.”

Similarly, Jesus, just before advising people to love their enemies, says, “Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also.”

So anyone who kills for God is not following Jesus' instruction so is not nor EVER WAS a Christian.

[stfd]

Makes sense to me and I agree with him.

Anyone who kills in the name of religion or persecutes people is not technically a Christian. How can they be?

So anyone who kills for God is not following Jesus' instruction so is not nor EVER WAS a Christian.

I really dont expect those people to actually get it... even tho the message is straight forward - do not freakin' do any form of harm to anyone !!! - whether it be friend or enemy treat them all as brothers.

But hey... round and round and round we go ... same things come up over and over... nobody listens yet God calls.

Damn ,that sucks!

[dhama_initiative]

"2. To be Christian is just that - Christian - not white ,rose, pink, purple with stripes Christian...
People can either be Christian or not simple as that and btw Gnostics aren't Christians but Gnostics (duh).
3.A Christian is Evangelical, or in other words one CANNOT be a Christian if does not adhere by the ευαγγέλιον or Evangelion-which is greek- and means "Good News" WHICH is also know as the Bible."


What do you mean , that catholics, gnostic christians, Quakers who are not "evangelical" (in that they don't try to cajole non believers or members of other faiths into accepting Jesus) are not true christians? People who don't accept a literalist interpretation of the bible or who reject the apostle Paul are not true christians?

[dhama_initiative]

It depends on your definition of "persecution" though. A lot of fundamentalists who are against gay rights would say they are doing it for the gay's own good, to give him a happier life, and that letting him run free in a world of sinful sex and gay clubs would be the real persecution.

[dhama_initiative]

Makes sense to me and I agree with him.

Anyone who kills in the name of religion or persecutes people is not technically a Christian. How can they be?

So anyone who kills for God is not following Jesus' instruction so is not nor EVER WAS a Christian.


Noone mentioned killing for God, they were talking about discrimination against gays. Cue "helping them out of their sin is not discriminating" posts.

[eternal_spirit]

I've had the same problems with Muslims and Jews as MC has with Christians.

I can sympathise that he doesn't like being labeled a Satanist demon worshipper etc. I debate the Koran Talmud Judasim Islam more than Christian baggage. So get labeled allsorts of false labels myself. No need to spell them out here, most will know what I mean.

[edelweiss pirate]

"2. To be Christian is just that - Christian - not white ,rose, pink, purple with stripes Christian...
People can either be Christian or not simple as that and btw Gnostics aren't Christians but Gnostics (duh).
3.A Christian is Evangelical, or in other words one CANNOT be a Christian if does not adhere by the ευαγγέλιον or Evangelion-which is greek- and means "Good News" WHICH is also know as the Bible."


What do you mean , that catholics, gnostic christians, Quakers who are not "evangelical" (in that they don't try to cajole non believers or members of other faiths into accepting Jesus) are not true christians? People who don't accept a literalist interpretation of the bible or who reject the apostle Paul are not true christians?


No, to be a Christian is to be a follower of Christ. That's all.

You might have noticed that some things Jesus said don't fit with the 'old testament'... that's why it's called 'old' as opposed to 'new'.

The Good News or 'New Testament' is the story of Jesus and he is the heart of Christianity (heh, it's named after him!).....

Jesus has nothing to say about gays as far as I know.

Still if he was friends with lepers prostututes and dead people so I'm sure he had nothing against gays either....

[dhama_initiative]

i have lots of christian friends who i respect and find spiritual, i grew up in an Evangelical Christian home, I have beliefs of my own and attend Quakers.

I find fundamentalism confusing, and am also confused by how Christian "truthers" reconcile their bible beliefs with theories of Christianity being an illuminati plot, down to Christs' sacrifice. Do they believe in Christs' sacrifice or not, and if so, what do they believe?

I have asked this civilly and politely in two threads now, and both times faced extreme (and unfair) hostility from the Christians here, and was extremely frustrated by the evasive, confusing way they responded to me, refusing to answer questions and retorting questions they couldn't answer with vague, cryptic remarks.

They're just proving that they are not capable of facing the questions surrounding Christianity.

The Christians on here scare me, with their hostility, paranoia and evasive-ness. They must know that by avoiding questions and reacting hostile to genuine seekers they are making themselves look bad, so why do they do it?

[dhama_initiative]

No, to be a Christian is to be a follower of Christ. That's all.

You might have noticed that some things Jesus said don't fit with the 'old testament'... that's why it's called 'old' as opposed to 'new'.

The Good News or 'New Testament' is the story of Jesus and he is the heart of Christianity (heh, it's named after him!).....

Jesus has nothing to say about gays as far as I know.

Still if he was friends with lepers prostututes and dead people so I'm sure he had nothing against gays either....

It is my understanding that by specifying "evangelical" in his thread title, MC is referring to literalist / fundamentalist. Therefore, he is referring to a certain type of Christian - one who's beliefs often offend other Christians.
They're not all the same in this context - they're not the same in the way they cause society to react to them, how they affect politics.

[eternal_spirit]

Everyone almost can take and give a bit of banter with jokes. But it gets way beyond that at times and ends up a cacophony of personal abuse/insults with false labels (character defamation) leading to a bad reputation based on falsity.

[eternal_spirit]

This can mislead some readers perception of the points of a post.

Not everyone shares the same humour, (different nationalities) what's a joke to one can be offensive to another. What's posted as sarcasm and satire can be mistaken for literal facts/pov.

Some topics are best handled without sarcasm, humour and satire?
So not to confuse issues/topics.

Using sarcasm, humor and satire in a post
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74283

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81433
this is what I was on about

[michael christopher]

Michael Christopher,

I've noticed that you engage the Christians on this forum in debate, trying to reason with them. Clearly, this isn't working; you cannot debate them in this way. They do not, will not, listen.

The vast majority of Christians on this forum care little about God or debating theism, but care a whole lot (too much) about Lucifer/Satan, and things to do with that concept, that aspect of the Christian religion.

As I've said before, the evangelical Protestant Christian, and Protestants are the majority of those on here yammering on about Lucifer and Satanism, wants nothing less than the Devil incarnate on Earth. It is their most fervent desire to usher in the apocalypse. It is their most deeply held suspicion that anyone who disagrees with these desires is a lover of Satan and evil. Bashing Satanism makes them feel like the men they actually aren't, cannot ever be.

Really, the unspoken reason they want a Devil figure to be manifest, is so they can take all their hate, rage and envy out on him, thus finding at last release for all their own personal inadequacies. Evengelical Christians are like men who can't get it up; repressed, unhappy, eager to spread misery and paranoia all around.

The simplest answer to all this is; don't engage in debate with them. Just let them waffle on about Satan until the cows come home.

Don't let them affect you.

The flipside of this is that David Icke attracts these sorts; the reason being that he (Icke) frequently promotes his conspiracy theories using the angle of Satanism. That is, he will on the one hand say all religions are bunk and tools of mind-control, yet on another claim that world leaders are engaged in black magic and Satanism, and attack these practices from a POV of being clearly anti-Satanism. There is a whole sub-forum on Satanism on here; thus Icke is selectively using elements of the religions he disclaims to convey an idea of evil which fits well with traditional evangelical Christian conceptions.

From my perspective, it's all nonsense really.

Excellent post, zero.

I am developing spiritual problems over my developing hatred of evangelical Christianity.

I had a long meditation about it last night. I always get drawn into this shit because I think the truth about Christianity is so obvious that it's right there in the open in history. The actions of the Council of Nicea and the mistranslations prevalent in the 14th century King James Bible are not even secret, they are pretty openly talked about and discussed. For people to not take these two major significant events and actions into consideration is just shockingly retarded.

I am wasting a lot of time and energy trying to convert people who would rather see me burn in hell-fire for all eternity.

It is dragging me down into spiritual depravity.

EDIT: OMG just realized I'm an evangelical anti-Christian.

It's just a reaction to the evangelism, but I need to knock it off. Although I still think the truth about Christianity needs to be posted, I don't need to defend it afterward by debating with people, although that should certainly be my right. I see that when I interact with these people it starts to make me more and more like them. That is a really scary thought. Their insecurities and fear are pulling my own to the surface, it's simple magnetism.

It still pisses me off that I can't make a post in the religious forum without 144,000 Christians replying to bash me.

[michael christopher]

It is my understanding that by specifying "evangelical" in his thread title, MC is referring to literalist / fundamentalist. Therefore, he is referring to a certain type of Christian - one who's beliefs often offend other Christians.
They're not all the same in this context - they're not the same in the way they cause society to react to them, how they affect politics.

I am referring to fundamentalist Christians such as one particular poster who will go unnamed but is obviously replying to this thread over and over.

However, edelweiss is an evangelical Christian. He is one of the people who attack, troll and derail threads constantly.

[eternal_spirit]

I could post allsorts about religions to prove how bad some of it is (and have posted much) based on reality.
Religious people will carry on denying reality no matter how much proof you post.

They are to far gone to see reality. I have tried, but know some will put their religion and their fellow religionists on a pedastool above those who are not part of their group.

It is an us and them mentality at times, and that's how it was is and will be. I know my freedom of speech is limited. Which gives the religionists the upper hand at times. I am fighting with one hand tied.

[michael christopher]

I could post allsorts about religions to prove how bad some of it is (and have posted much) based on reality.
Religious people will carry on denying reality no matter how much proof you post.

They are to far gone to see reality. I have tried, but know some will put their religion and their fellow religionists on a pedastool above those who are not part of their group.

It is an us and them mentality at times, and that's how it was is and will be. I know my freedom of speech is limited. Which gives the religionists the upper hand at times. I am fighting with one hand tied.

You are completely right. They are only anti-bodies to you, because they see you as an intruder and a threat. They are in group-mind and you are a virus to that group mind. It simply attacks you and tries to make you disappear until the threat is gone.

However, sometimes you can actually wake some people up. I feel if one or two people see the truth and begin to come to know God outside of religion as It truly is, then it's worth getting bashed by the thought-patrol.

[dhama_initiative]

REMEMBER MICHAEL -

When you debate a fool, you are not trying to convice the fool - he is blind, and won't be convinced. All you can do is defend your point well for the benefit of the viewers. You won't convince the fool of course, as no one can admit being outsmarted in internet debate, but you can prove to onlookers you have the rational view - and them you will have the quality people on your side.

Or alternatively of course, we all know deep down that fundy Xianity is true and we bash it mindlessly because admitting it would mean we have to stop sinning. We have irrational hate for Christ in our hearts because we belong to satan.

never mind that I never critisised Christ - bash fundies you bash all chrsitians. I just dont get it.

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
Is it ever possible for Michael Christopher to do anything BUT complain about other people's belief systems?
So what if evangelical Christians are on here pushing their beliefs and calling David Icke a Devil?
Do you think that David Icke gives a damn?
Religion is a weapon of The Game used against the Higher Selves, much in the same way that Secularism and New Age ideology is used against Higher Selves.
The Game demands that religion exists and is promoted to both lower evolved Higher Selves and Minions to maintain polarization of the planet.
I used to be a Christian fundamentalist also, but I outgrew it.
There is no point in wanting to rid the World of polarization because The Game IS polarized chaos.
Do you want this nonsense to end in your reality?
I have the answer, learn, evolve and then graduate.
yours thankfully
John

[michael christopher]

Dear Friends
kind regards
Is it ever possible for Michael Christopher to do anything BUT complain about other people's belief systems?
So what if evangelical Christians are on here pushing their beliefs and calling David Icke a Devil?
Do you think that David Icke gives a damn?
Religion is a weapon of The Game used against the Higher Selves, much in the same way that Secularism and New Age ideology is used against Higher Selves.
The Game demands that religion exists and is promoted to both lower evolved Higher Selves and Minions to maintain polarization of the planet.
I used to be a Christian fundamentalist also, but I outgrew it.
There is no point in wanting to rid the World of polarization because The Game IS polarized chaos.
Do you want this nonsense to end in your reality?
I have the answer, learn, evolve and then graduate.
yours thankfully
John

In actuality, I was complaining about being attacked by people with other belief systems. But you can perceive it however you wish - as you are just another religionist. Moral condescension from a Matrix idolator is like salt on a steak for this thread.

[stfd]

It is my understanding that by specifying "evangelical" in his thread title, MC is referring to literalist / fundamentalist. Therefore, he is referring to a certain type of Christian - one who's beliefs often offend other Christians.
They're not all the same in this context - they're not the same in the way they cause society to react to them, how they affect politics.

Okay one MORE time...

Christians are Christians.
There aren't 'types' or 'kinds' of Christians.
A Christian HAS TO BE evangelical or it cant be Christian.

A Christian is not more or less , sort of , kinda is just that - Christian.

A 'fundamentalist' person is one who adheres to the fundamentals of an ideea , belief .. .whatever.
Why do you say it as if is a bad thing.
I too adhere to the fundamentals of Christ , i try to love and not hate , i try to forgive and not to hold grudges, i try to share and not to be selfish etc.

THOSE THINGS ARE FUNDAMENTALS - which make one who adheres by them a fundamentalist in regards to Christianity - nothing bad in it.
Dont try to re-define the word 'fundamenta' - there is only one definition, and not multiple ones.

[thirdwave]

Makes sense to me and I agree with him.

Anyone who kills in the name of religion or persecutes people is not technically a Christian. How can they be?


naaa!.

Of course they can, as long as they repent and ask god for forgiveness..
And after all, those who sin and don't repent are dammed to eternal hell right? So what's wrong with doing God the odd favour.

What you are basically saying is, any Evil Christian is not a real Christian.. yet you are happy to attack other groups in a obnoxious manner, and brand them scum.. for having any negative groups associated with them... rather expect the corruption is all around and religion as a hole has been helping that very agenda along.

I find religion breeds this kind of self important garbage.

If Christianity was so wonderful, then how is it been so easily turned over onto its head?, what was the point of Jesus's death? .. what did it do? ..Fuck all!


So anyone who kills for God is not following Jesus' instruction so is not nor EVER WAS a Christian.


You see,What you guys refuse to see is the contradictions in the bible, that justify and permit all the movements that are here and that has ever been... because every Christian movement contains a certain amount of contradiction... as all Religion does, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and so on..

Here we see Jesus Justify His God killing lots of people he does not think are good enough

"Matthew
13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

So what is the deal with killing?, only God is allowed?.. or can people act in his name? This is all very debatable given the contradiction nature through out the bible texts.

Also stuff like this is not so against killing.

"Romans
1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. "

Can you answer me a question (i wont hold my breath)

If God is so good and decent, then why when he talks of killing people who sin, why must they suffer so much?, why not put them to sleep quickly rid the world of them and wipe em away....

Why do they need to burn for eternity and suffer so much?

Why would God create that?

[thirdwave]

So what if evangelical Christians are on here pushing their beliefs and calling David Icke a Devil?
Do you think that David Icke gives a damn?

Given he has spent time talking about them in his talks and has written about it in most of his books I would say yes.

[dhama_initiative]

It's not my re-definition, stfc.

"Fundamentalist Christianity, also known as Christian fundamentalism or fundamentalist evangelicalism, is a movement that arose mainly within British and American Protestantism in the late 19th and early 20th centuries among conservative evangelical Christians, who, in a reaction to liberal theology, actively affirmed a fundamental set of Christian beliefs: the inerrancy of the Bible, Sola Scriptura, the virgin birth of Christ, the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, the bodily resurrection of Jesus, and the imminent personal return of Jesus Christ."

"Some who hold these beliefs reject the label of "fundamentalism", seeing it as a pejorative term for historic Christian doctrine,[1] while to others it has become a banner of pride. Some left-leaning and centrist Christians since the turn of the twentieth century have taken to the use of the word "extremist" instead, feeling that use of "fundamentalism" provides the views of such groups with an authority they do not deserve.

I personally have problems with the term myself - For instance, I don't agree that my liberal catholic friends are not following the "fundamentals" of their faith - however, the term is in common usage, and so communicaties the meaning to readers.

[thirdwave]

I've had the same problems with Muslims and Jews as MC has with Christians.

I can sympathise that he doesn't like being labeled a Satanist demon worshipper etc. I debate the Koran Talmud Judasim Islam more than Christian baggage. So get labeled allsorts of false labels myself. No need to spell them out here, most will know what I mean.

In general I totally have the same problem with Jews and Muslims, all as brainwashed as each-other.

But you once PMed me, I might still have it in my inbox, and you said you know what I meant that there was so many Christians bombing it into the forum..

Where I have only ever seen about 2 or three Muslims talking about the Koran and don't recall any Jews preaching their religion.

So with regards to the forum, Im not sure where you are coming from.