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hitithard

09-09-2009, 07:10 AM

Its 6am so can't type much right now...

But I just wanted to say, I've been reading this website

http://www.islam4uk.com/home

And was hoping for some other peoples views..

Some of the views being said on there seem scary, extremely brainwashed, and there is so much hatred on there is horrible.

free thinker

09-09-2009, 07:41 AM

Cut'n'pasted from the site....

About Us

[EMQ 51: 56] “And I created not the Jinn and Mankind except that they should worship Me.”

Islam4UK has been established by sincere Muslims as a platform to propagate the supreme Islamic ideology within the United Kingdom as a divine alternative to man-made law.

Our Aim:

Our aim is simple: Izhaar ud Deen (Domination of Al-Islam worldwide).

As submitters to Almighty God we wish to establish His Sharee’ah (Divine Law) on the earth for He has said in the Qur'an:

[EMQ 5: 45] “Those who rule by other than what Allah (SWT) has revealed are the oppressors.”

Subsequently, living in Britain we target to convince the British public about the superiority of Islam and expose the fallacies of man-made law, thereby changing public opinion in favour of Islam in order to transfer the authority and power (from those with authority and power) to the Muslims in order to implement the Sharee’ah (here in Britain).

We aim to reach this objective by creating public awareness about Islam in society via Da’wah (inviting to Islam) and Commanding Good & Forbidding Evil, which is a duty upon every Muslim as indicated by Allah (SWT) in the Qur'an:

[EMQ 3: 104] “Let there rise from among you a group calling to the khair (Islam) commanding good and forbidding evil. And it is they who are the successful.”

Ever since the destruction of the Islamic State on 3rd March 1924C.E. the world has witnessed the tyranny of man-made law, whether that be from the apostate rulers in Muslim lands or the disbelieving leaders in the West, making it incumbent upon all Muslims worldwide to re-establish this State or Khilafah, for the Final Messenger Muhammad (SAW) said as narrated in Sahih Muslim upon the authority of Abdullah ibn Umar (RA) that, “Whosoever takes his hand from allegiance to Allah meets Him on the Day of Resurrection without any evidence supporting him and whosoever dies while there was no allegiance on his neck dies the death of jaahiliyyah (ignorance).”

Our Belief (Aqeedah)

[EMQ 2: 256] “There is no compulsion in religion. Verily the Right path has become distinct from the Wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in taghoot and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is the All-Hearer, All-Knower.”

We believe that there is none truly worthy of worship except Allah (SWT) and that He is ‘Al Jalaalaahu fil oola’ (distinguished from His creation, at a distance from them, close to them and above them); we believe that He is the Creator and that there is nothing like Him; we affirm all of His Names & Attributes as mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah without takieef (commenting on Him and His description), tamtheel (to make Him similar to the creation) or ta’weel (diverting their real meaning to a metaphoric meaning).

We believe in all the Prophets as mentioned in the Divine text and that Muhammad (SAW) is His Last and Final Messenger sent to the whole of mankind and furthermore that we must follow him and obey him for Allah (SWT) says in the Qur'an,

[EMQ 4: 65] “But no, by your Lord, they can have no faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions and accept them with full submission.”

We believe in the Book of Allah (SWT), the Qur'an, its words and letters, and that it is not makhlooq (creation) but rather kalaamullah (the actual words of Allah). We believe it is obligatory to follow it, to implement it and to make it prevail.

We believe in the Sunnah, and that it elaborates and is commentary for the Qur'an, and whatever is correct from the ahadith we take.

We believe in His Angels, that they do not disobey Allah (SWT) and that to love them is part of Imaan and to hate them is Kufr.

We believe in Al-Qadr, the good and bad, and that Allah (SWT) has all the Will (al-Iraadah al Mutlaqah).

We believe in the Sahabah, that they are all trustworthy, and that to love them is part of Imaan and to hate them is hypocrisy (nifaaq) and furthermore that their understanding is hujjah (a juristic argument) on the Day of Judgement.

We believe in Ahzaab ul Qabr (Punishment of the Grave) and that we shall all be resurrected on the Day of Judgement, where all of our deeds shall be shown to us and weighed on the Mizaan (Scale); we believe that Jannah is haq and Jahannam is haq.

Covenant of Security

As Muslims living in the UK we abide by a strict Covenant of Security, which prohibits us from violating the life and property of all residents here in the United Kingdom. We would also like to stress that we do not encourage any forms of terrorism on this website, any visitor who should encounter inappropriate material on this website, for whatever reason, are urged to contact the webteam immediately to enable us to investigate the matter as swiftly as possible.

Shove it where the sun doesn't shine!

amethyst2009

09-09-2009, 07:57 AM

Ah, let them rant on, no intelligent normal sane person would want to listen to them anyway.

mynameis

09-09-2009, 08:09 AM

It's not from the UK. The dot.com indicates as much. I wonder if there is a dot.uk extension. It looks much like a astroturf website.

Registrant:
N/A
156
London, West London N18 7BT
GB

Domain name: ISLAM4UK.COM

Administrative Contact:
Islam, Abu Abdullah dawah4islam@hotmail.com
156
London, West London N18 7BT
GB
079562569989
Technical Contact:
Islam, Abu Abdullah dawah4islam@hotmail.com
156
London, West London N18 7BT
GB
079562569989

Registration Service Provider:
Fasthosts Internet Limited, domains@fasthosts.co.uk
+44.8708883600
+44.8708883760 (fax)
http://www.Fasthosts.co.uk

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 19-Aug-2009.
Record expires on 10-May-2010.
Record created on 10-May-2008.

Registrar Domain Name Help Center:
http://domainhelp.tucows.com

Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.IMSTERDNS.NET
NS1.IMSTERDNS.NET

mynameis

09-09-2009, 08:13 AM

The registrant is an ideological prisoner held in a prison. How does the registrant put up a webpage while in prison, eh?

http://www.free-abu-hamza.co.uk/images/abu-abdullah.jpg

http://www.free-abu-hamza.co.uk/abu-abdullah.html

All these pages seem to have astroturf all over them:

http://www.google.com/search?q=079562569989&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

free thinker

09-09-2009, 08:13 AM

Ah, let them rant on, no intelligent normal sane person would want to listen to them anyway.

Very true, cant wait for somone to defend the site though, to me at least...it shows why Islam has got the backs up of many people here in the UK, including me.

I refute all religion, but this crap that is claimed to be written by "sincere muslims" is beyond belief....thanks OP for posting.

If you are a Sincere Muslim...do you support this website?

free thinker

09-09-2009, 08:16 AM

I have a website which is a dot com, and i am in the UK...:)

free thinker

09-09-2009, 08:17 AM

budgeebird

09-09-2009, 08:18 AM

If they are sincere, they must be awfully brainwashed. Jihad sheeple....

Divide and rule....radicalizing Muslim youths and devolving the white, black and latino....

-budgee

mynameis

09-09-2009, 08:19 AM

Cleaver bunny!:D

I usually think of country of origin. If someone doesn't like the country they are in, they could select outside, but it gives it an appearance of impropriety.

yellowbentine

09-09-2009, 08:35 AM

cant wait for somone to defend the site though, to me at least...

Ah, go on then...;)

I defend their right to free speech - even if it's bollocks. No different from every other evangelical fundamentalist religion, so I don't see why it's shocking jusy because it is Islam. All fundamentilist religions believe they're the true way and that everyone should follow them.

If they come to my door, like the Jehovah's witnesses, I shall be just as polite as I normally am. I will have fun debating with them and they will go away again. I'm no more scared that they will come back and bomb my house for disagreeing with them than the witnesses would. Or someone who comes round trying to 'convert' me to their particular gas supplier.

chocolateharpist

09-09-2009, 08:44 AM

I see nothing on that site that I can't find on Christian/Buddhist/Jewish/Hindu sites.

zarah

09-09-2009, 09:04 AM

Give me strength....

Has anyone who defends Islam ever said that every Muslim practices Islam as it's meant to be practiced? I don't think so..

Islam has its share of fundamentalists, just as all other faiths and beliefs. Why don't you do something more constructive than continually causing upset and argument? Aren't you bored of the incessant negativity?

zarah

09-09-2009, 09:08 AM

And while I'm about it...Fundamentalist Muslims don't get my back up, neither do fundamentalist Jews, Christians or fundy-anything else. I feel sorry for them, because their lives must lack the positivity needed to see the good in everyone and every faith. What seriously does irk me though is members of a website for supposedly more enlightened people, who can't see the wider perspective relating to these kind of site and the purpose they were created for, simply because of their conditioned xenophobia.

eternal_spirit

09-09-2009, 10:12 AM

problem with Muslims is they think all the answers to life and how to live it are to be found from religious instruction. Wake up and get real ffs.
Bainwashing = Muslims think they are always right and everyone else is always wrong, I've never come across such pig headed arrogance and delusion.

Problem - while Christianity reformed itself and allowed their flocks more freedoms, Islam stagnates and refuses to reform causing problems for themselves and others.

Your belief systems and Shariah are out of date! By centuries. Most of the world has moved forward, yet Islam trys to stop any progress and is stuck in the past.
Your lack of tolerance to others will no longer be tolerated. It's a two way street yet it's all one way traffic as far as Islam is concerened and to hell with anyone else.

eternal_spirit

09-09-2009, 10:16 AM

How many Muslims are really tolerant of none Muslims? The more I look into it seems Most Muslims want Shariah and to hell with anyone else's laws.
I hope I am wrong but it does worry me.

eternal_spirit

09-09-2009, 10:23 AM

Islam4UK has been established by sincere Muslims as a platform to propagate the supreme Islamic ideology within the United Kingdom as a divine alternative to man-made law.

Our Aim:

Our aim is simple: Izhaar ud Deen (Domination of Al-Islam worldwide).

As submitters to Almighty God we wish to establish His Sharee’ah (Divine Law) on the earth for He has said in the Qur'an:

[EMQ 5: 45] “Those who rule by other than what Allah (SWT) has revealed are the oppressors.”

Subsequently, living in Britain we target to convince the British public about the superiority of Islam and expose the fallacies of man-made law, thereby changing public opinion in favour of Islam in order to transfer the authority and power (from those with authority and power) to the Muslims in order to implement the Sharee’ah (here in Britain).

.......................

Isn't this the basic majority beliefs of Islam on the whole anyhow. Anywonder we are concerned about Islam.

islamvslizards

11-09-2009, 05:14 PM

If you are a Sincere Muslim...do you support this website?

quite obviously not.

it seems more salafi than sunni, since i cant seem any reference to the 4 sunni madhabs, shafi'i, hanafi, maliki or hanbali, when you start hearing about referring only to the views of the first generation (salaf) its usually a good indicator of their being a wahabbi/ salafi

islamvslizards

11-09-2009, 05:17 PM

hmm it seems like i was right

this man is 100% wahabbi
(http://theleagueofnationalists.blogspot.com/2009/07/abu-abdullah-british-muslim-extremist.html)

eternal_spirit: fail. yet again.

eternal_spirit

11-09-2009, 05:23 PM

hmm it seems like i was right

this man is 100% wahabbi
(http://theleagueofnationalists.blogspot.com/2009/07/abu-abdullah-british-muslim-extremist.html)

eternal_spirit: fail. yet again.

Muslims attempts to have Shariah law and no other laws in Britain will fail.:D

starshine

11-09-2009, 05:49 PM

Some of these Islamists are their own worst enemies, I have no trouble with Buddhists, Hindus and other religions. Islamists should be made aware that not every one shares their doctrine.

starshine

11-09-2009, 06:12 PM

ON a personal level I have many personal associates who are followers of Islam and I have no trouble with them in the slightest. I just detest the vile elements who claim they are right with everything.

zarah

11-09-2009, 10:32 PM

Some of these Islamists are their own worst enemies, I have no trouble with Buddhists, Hindus and other religions. Islamists should be made aware that not every one shares their doctrine.

What's an 'Islamist'?

starshine

11-09-2009, 11:31 PM

An Islamist is a person who unlike a muslim is intolerant towards other beliefs and ideals, but I will strongly stress that I am not a racist or a bigot.

zarah

11-09-2009, 11:36 PM

An Islamist is a person who unlike a muslim is intolerant towards other beliefs and ideals, but I will strongly stress that I am not a racist or a bigot.

Umm..no.

islamist - 1 dictionary result
Is·lam·ism (ĭs-lä'mĭz'əm, ĭz-, ĭs'lə-, ĭz'-)
n.
An Islamic revivalist movement, often characterized by moral conservatism, literalism, and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/islamist+

separ

12-09-2009, 04:56 PM

Islamism is a political movement/doctrine espousing the revival or establishment of an 'Islamic' system of government. The Islam4UK site just represents Anjem Choudhary's faction. Only a very tiny minority of Muslims - or even Islamists - are AJ-type extremists. I am a Muslim and I wholeheartedly reject the sentiments expressed on that site.

Judging from their articles and provocative statements, they seem to be using the recent Birmingham disquiet as a way to gain exposure and publicity. I find it suspicious that in their economic section they don't even mention the abolition of credit or the issuing of a currency based on a gold standard, because that's a policy most Islamists support. As far as I'm concerned they're shills and they're playing a role - just like a movie actor - in a movie about problem-reaction-solution.

zarah

12-09-2009, 07:49 PM

Judging from their articles and provocative statements, they seem to be using the recent Birmingham disquiet as a way to gain exposure and publicity. I find it suspicious that in their economic section they don't even mention the abolition of credit or the issuing of a currency based on a gold standard, because that's a policy most Islamists support. As far as I'm concerned they're shills and they're playing a role - just like a movie actor - in a movie about problem-reaction-solution.

Absolutely agree. Good post. :)

nihil

12-09-2009, 08:05 PM

Domain Name: ISLAM4UK.COM

Registrar: TUCOWS INC.

Whois Server: whois.tucows.com

Registrant: London, West London N18 7BT

free thinker

14-09-2009, 05:42 AM

A quote from the site...

http://www.islam4uk.com/non-muslims/62-non-muslims/246-why-we-do-not-get-out-of-your-country

Why We do not Get Out of Your Country

Probably one of the most asked questions to sincere Muslims who wish to establish Islamic Law in the United Kingdom. With several books dedicated to the long history of the British people, spanning in some cases over 15,000 years, why is it that Muslims wish to convert the indigenous population of the UK to a religion originating from the Arabian Peninsula? Furthermore, if Muslims within the UK detest the British way of life so much, then why is it that they do not ‘go back to their own countries' and live peacefully according to their own values?

To answer these questions one first needs to look to the reality we are facing in the world today. Undoubtedly, when one understands the current situation together with the essence of Islam, he or she will appreciate and understand why so many Muslims have adopted such a ‘radical' agenda in the UK.

Below are three fundamental reasons why Muslims in the United Kingdom have set out to establish Islamic Law on British soil:

1. Every single country in the world today is ruling by man-made law

Allah (SWT) says in the Qur'an [EMQ 5:44], "Those who rule by other than what Allah (SWT) has revealed are Al-Kaafiroon."

A common misconception held by the average non-Muslim is that countries such as Pakistan, Kuwait or Saudi Arabia etc. are ‘Islamic lands' implementing the values of Islam over the masses.

Unfortunately, the reality of the world today (including that of the Muslim lands) is that there is not a single area where the Shari'ah is fully implemented, in reality we have a mixture of apostate rulers governing in the east and their disbelieving counterparts ruling in the West.

The last existing Islamic State was destroyed on the 3rd March 1924C.E. which prior to its removal had ruled over countries and continents for well over 1300 years with fairness and justice.

2. The man-made law governing the United Kingdom is oppressive and Muslims are obliged to speak out against oppression wherever they are

Allah (SWT) says in the Qur'an, [EMQ 3:104] "Let there rise from among you groups who call to the khair (Islam) and command good and forbid evil, and it is they who are the successful."

Total obedience to Almighty God is of paramount importance to every sincere Muslim and consequently he or she will strive as much as possible to ensure that their actions are in accordance with the Shari'ah.

Such orders include the necessity of commanding good and forbidding evil wherever they may be. Consequently, with Britain facing a moral decline in almost every single division in society whether social, economic, judicial, ritual etc. a Muslim is obliged to speak out against such matters as a manifestation of his tawheed (belief in the Oneness of God) and moreover offer a divine solution from Islam.

3. Islam is a universal and divine way of life sent to the whole of mankind

Allah (SWT) says in the Qur'an, [EMQ 9:33] "It is He who has sent the Messenger Muhammad (pbuh) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it dominate over all other ways of life even though the disbelievers hate it."

Unquestionably, Islam and the Final Messenger Muhammad (pbuh) have been designated by Almighty God for the people of Britain (and the world) to follow and obey; what started off in a small town in Makkah rapidly spread and encompassed vast lands and empires irrespective of nationality or creed.

What is unique about the Final Messenger Muhammad (pbuh) is that unlike all the other Prophets sent down by Almighty God, he (pbuh) was not sent to a specific nation e.g. Children of Israel, but rather he (pbuh) was sent to the whole of mankind, hence it is quite common to see the presence of large numbers of ‘white converts' to Islam in Britain to emphasise this point.

In conclusion it is incumbent on the people of Britain and moreover the whole of the world to submit to the Will of Allah (SWT), and testify that there is none truly worthy of worship except Allah (SWT) and that Muhammad (pbuh) is His Final Messenger and furthermore implement the Shari'ah (Islamic Law) of Muhammad (pbuh) as a matter of obedience to their Creator.

Lost for word!:rolleyes:

free thinker

14-09-2009, 05:52 AM

Yet another quote taken directly from above website..
http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/uk-news/46-uk/347-how-many-of-your-soldiers-need-to-die

So the question needs to be asked: "How many of your soldiers need to die?" Or to put it more abruptly, "How much more cannon fodder are the British government willing to provide their masters in America?" Will they finally make the wise move, and leave this long and bloody campaign or will they remain in an arduous war that inevitably never involved them in the first place?

There is a famous saying that one should take lesson from history; in the 1980's the Soviet Union foolishly declared war on Afghanistan and within 10-12 years this huge empire and its mighty Red Army was wiped off the face of the earth, and indeed they were not the first nation to suffer like this. Thus we warn the British government and their army to take lesson from this poignant moment in history or face the possibility of being defeated and quite possibly, as well, being wiped off the face of the earth.

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Show/Hide commentsAlhamdulillah, Alhamdulillah, these people will soon be September 08, 2009 Alhamdulillah, these people will soon be defeated
Abu Idris

..., The British need to remove all their troops from Af September 08, 2009 The British need to remove all their troops from Afghanistan. The Soviet Union had about 400,000 tropps along with all the military hardware to go with it. They were defeated and humiliated. The British, American and Nato forces in general have about half of this and are badly resourced. What makes them think they will achieve anything against the champion Muslims there??
Sniper12

..., subhan allah......Allahummansuril mujahideena fee k September 09, 2009 subhan allah......Allahummansuril mujahideena fee kulli makan - Oh Allah ! support he mujahideen wereva they are, Ameen !!!

Musa Tanzeem

Sept 11th, As a pure military operation it's my personal September 09, 2009 As a pure military operation it's my personal view no intelligence service could of planned a operation like Sept 11th better than al-qaeda did. this remark is based on my own views having worked for severl senior millitary intelligence officers in my past life.
omar hamza jenvey

Oh dear sniper12..., Sniper12, you're as silly as Bilal. September 09, 2009 Sniper12, you're as silly as Bilal. The Soviets had about 150,000 troops in Afghanistan and lost 15,000 men. Over a million Afghans were killed. You forget that the Afghans were aided by the west, notably the Americans. Before the Americans got invovlved the Afghan resistance was ineffective. And one more thing, the Soviet Union fell because command economics could not deliver the goods to the masses. The Americans, through the Star Wars programme, pratically destroyed the Russian military budget, but more to the point, the Russian masses wanted to live like the capitalist west. So, nothing really to do with the Afghans...I suggest you do some reading and stop listening to your Gurus.
Seb

Oh dear Seb, the west were not the ones holding the sovi September 09, 2009 the west were not the ones holding the soviets off on every front line and fighting tanks and bullets nor are they a match for the mujahideen who were, the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan today just proves the point. The soviets couldn't maintain the war in Afghanistan, their economy crumbled to pay for that war, just as the American economy is crumbling to pay for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan today. The communist economic model was not viable that is true but as is evident with the credit crunch neither is the capitalist one.
Adam

..., the Muslim world is an awful place to live, every o September 09, 2009 the Muslim world is an awful place to live, every one of the 53 states is on the human rights watch list for abuses done by Muslims to women and non Muslims, i personally think Islam is a nice religion, its just a shame its ruined by Muslims.
Lee

Reply to Seb, Seb i have never heard such pathetic and s September 09, 2009 Seb i have never heard such pathetic and silly baseless statements. Point number one the Soviet Union had well over 150,000 troops in Afghanistan they had double that. Second point the casualty figure you gave 15,000 is very low and probably based on figures given by the Soviet Army. The casualties were most likely in the 60,000 area.

Third point, the war lasted just over 10 years, American involvement did not come in for about 5 to 6 years even then it was no direct involvement in the actual fighting! it was weapons sold to Saudi Arabia, which were than brought by Pakistan and distributed to the Mujahideen. So what explains the victories for the 5 -6 years that the holy warriors fought??

Basically to explain it in a nutshell, the Soviet Union could not cope with the huge losses they were suffering. The huge economic strain that the Muslim fighters imposed on their state was unbearable and quite plainly the war effort could not be sustained any further. Hence the Soviet withdrew, with their communist mind set crushed! internal problems led to the collapse of the whole state.
Sniper12

RE: Seb - September 09, 2009, Let's define silly, shall September 09, 2009 Let's define silly, shall we.

silly

• adjective (sillier, silliest) 1 lacking in common sense or judgement; foolish.

Now let's point out as to how you fulfil that definition. You highlight that a result of the Soviet war in Afghanistan left their economy crippled. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the US and UK are currently suffering a recession, no? And why is that? Because the Afghan resistance has forced you to plug so much money into fighting a losing battle that you're economy is now broken.

I'd say, based on your post; that's a funny irony

Yet more brainwashed bullshit.:rolleyes:

free thinker

14-09-2009, 11:58 PM

Funny.... No defenders....Hmmm - i wonder why?;)

eternal_spirit

15-09-2009, 12:14 AM

Funny.... No defenders....Hmmm - i wonder why?;)
Cos they "islam4uk.com" aint white and English;) Or would that be offenders to the threads topics.

separ

15-09-2009, 01:07 AM

Islam4uk is a Salafi site. If you want someone to 'defend' the nonsense written on there you could go and see Anjem Choudhary (that's if the police and Security Service weren't protecting him, which they are - intensively - because he's a political trump card for certain vested interests who want to stoke communal tensions in the UK).

melting dogma

15-09-2009, 08:36 PM

zarah

15-09-2009, 08:51 PM

Funny.... No defenders....Hmmm - i wonder why?;)

Because the people who defend Islam highlight this kind of divisive rhetoric as a misinterpretation, either purposeful or otherwise, of the faith. Why do you think no-one's defended it? Because we all support it?

zarah

15-09-2009, 08:54 PM

Lol those quotes are hilarious :p Seriously those wahabbi whatever dudes don't ever consider the fact that people actually *might* oppose their wacky ideas about sharia and allah as a higher authority. Somehow this reminds me of soviets and stalin...

All Muslims believe that Allah is the highest authority, as do Christians. Stalin and the rest involved with the Bolshvik revolution were Jews who attempted to eradicate religion from society. How is that the same as this?

melting dogma

15-09-2009, 09:03 PM

All Muslims believe that Allah is the highest authority, as do Christians. Stalin and the rest involved with the Bolshvik revolution were Jews who attempted to eradicate religion from society. How is that the same as this?

How is that the same as this? Stalin had a cult, mohammed has a cult. For me, islam goes to the same basket with all the other semitic religional nutcase cults.
But hey, I'm probably just intolerant so don't mind me.

melting dogma

15-09-2009, 09:16 PM

To be honest i'm confused these forums have so many religious people. Considering what Icke says I thought you guys would maybe i don't know.. consider the possibility that you're feeding the mad machine.
But ofcourse there's room for everyone (yea i'm really not that intolerant just sometimes sick of it all:)).

free thinker

16-09-2009, 04:07 PM

if that site is the true face of islam, then i do not wish any part of islam to be part of the uk.

it is not projecting peace, it is not accepting anything other than its self, another "you are with us or against us" mentality which is what g bush said isnt it, or something similar anyway.?

zarah

16-09-2009, 08:27 PM

rewind_bo

17-09-2009, 03:50 PM

its seems to be written by some nutters!

i dont like to use the word hardcore as this means someone who is strict in their religion or beliefs - these people dont do this, they simply make bits up and then copy and paste a line that will try to prove the crap they are pedalling.

Sites like this, in my opinion, probably arent even created by these nutters - they will be created by people trying to cause problems, brainwash the youth etc