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socrates

28-05-2009, 12:20 AM

Now I've located both pics you requested, we can see who is being reasonable and fair and who is making completely false allegations.

As you requested ar20 - here are the originals of the two pics you allege have been doctored:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/bb49-8.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/truecolors112/scan0016.jpg

Guess where they can be found?

On a Paul is dead board - PID Miss Him! :D

Both photos are posted as undoctored pics of Paul and Faul.

Link to first photo: http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faker&action=display&thread=1073&page=2

Link to second photo: http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=frontman&action=display&thread=53&page=4

Now we know both photos haven't been doctored, and can both be found on a Paul is dead board, we can view your comments knowing the truth:

To show people how delusional and obnoxious you can be...

I never actually thought you would edit photos, so, this is just a hunch on my part at the moment - post the originals of these, in there original form, or I'm calling you out for just manipulating the pics.

Well - your "hunch" was completely and utterly wrong, wasn't it? Maybe in future you'll THINK first before jumping to wild and completely unfounded conclusions!

Bit like PID, really. There's a lesson to be learnt there, I feel. :rolleyes:

Original:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4180/sharpened.gif

Re-Edited:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5553/socrates.jpg

You were expecting us to believe, two photos, years apart, the two of them just happened to have the very same expression on there faces?

The TRUTH is the truth, whether you want to believe it or not. Another lesson for PIDers there.

Red Arrow: THE VERY SAME BLACK LINE UNDER THE EYE -- do you have any more of these miricles, I'd love to see them.

Yellow Arrow: The exact... EXACT, to a TEE, SHADING OF SHAPES ROUND THE MOUTH? Also, what the hell did you do to the teeth on the Faul one, give him a big Fang?

LOL. :D It's a poor resolution pic. Hint: You don't get good detail, smooth lines, accurate representations in a poor quality pic.

And it's speculation on my part here, but there is something not right about the neck.

Proof that PIDers see things that are "not right" - when there is nothing wrong at all.

Overall... you've just put the same face on two pics.

You should now offer an apology for making this false allegation. Doubt you will though.

Post the originals, and make sure the second one is in colour this time.

Duly done.

I'm not even going to go into the fact you've probably brushed the eyebrows a bit as well, it's pretty sad on your part.

More completely unfair, untrue allegations without a shred of proof; now exposed as completely false. (Another lesson for PIDers).

The opening line to your vitriolic post was:

To show people how delusional and obnoxious you can be...

You should now hang your head in shame. :mad:

socrates

28-05-2009, 12:27 AM

Getting back to those doctored photos Socrates posted...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/FacialStructure.jpg

We can all see who is posting untruths and disinfo.

Go check your own Paul Is Dead board for those "doctored" pics, FaulCON. :D

You owe me an apology too.

ar20

28-05-2009, 12:28 AM

Now I've located both pics you requested, we can see who is being reasonable and fair and who is making completely false allegations.

As you requested ar20 - here are the originals of the two pics you allege have been doctored:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/bb49-8.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/truecolors112/scan0016.jpg

Guess where they can be found?

On a Paul is dead board - PID Miss Him! :D

Both photos are posted as undoctored pics of Paul and Faul.

Link to first photo: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/bb49-8.jpg

Link to second photo: http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=frontman&action=display&thread=53&page=4

Now we know both photos haven't been doctored, and can both be found on a Paul is dead board, we can view your comments knowing the truth:

Well - your "hunch" was completely and utterly wrong, wasn't it? Maybe in future you'll THINK first before jumping to wild and completely unfounded conclusions!

Bit like PID, really. There's a lesson to be learnt there, I feel. :rolleyes:

The TRUTH is the truth, whether you want to believe it or not. Another lesson for PIDers there.

LOL. :D It's a poor resolution pic. Hint: You don't get good detail, smooth lines, accurate representations in a poor quality pic.

Proof that PIDers see things that are "not right" - when there is nothing wrong at all.

You should now offer an apolgy for making this false allegation. Doubt you will though.

Duly done.

More completely unfair, untrue allegations without a shred of proof; now exposed as completely false. (Another lesson for PIDers).

The opening line to your vitriolic post was:

You should now hang your head in shame. :mad:

Well I'm not going to my hang my head in shame, but an apology is in order, so sorry Socrates.

I'm not copping out, but why did it take so long for you to do that request?

I also asked, where else are these miraculous pics where he has the same dark shaded line across the side of his face?

Other than that, sorry for the accusation, but you have posted pics before where you've superimposed the same face (see previous topic).

ar20

28-05-2009, 12:42 AM

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3143/halfanfhalf.jpg

Yes it's blurry yadda yadda.

Two Fauls on the right, different times, half and half for the face off effect -- near enough the same.

On the left, Paul and Faul, few months apart -- looking dead on, maybe a little blurry, haven't been stretched or nothing, lined up eye to eye at least, visible difference.

Try it yourself faces are meant to be near symmetrical to an extent anyway. Brad Pitt's got the golden ratio.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7195/pittl.jpg

This won't be the best example, so could someone dig me up a couple of High Quality, unblurry straight to the camera faced Pauls and Fauls.

ar20

28-05-2009, 01:04 AM

Incredibly hard to find Faul without a mustache that's straight on with a closed mouth, so had to do the bad paintbrush:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2830/26886118.jpg

I'm not the best at doing this, but Faulcon should maybe give it a bash with all his comps, do half and half fades.

ar20

28-05-2009, 01:07 AM

Also Socrates, not to beat the horse on those pics I asked you to post.

Can you do me a favour, have a look inside the noses of those two pics.

See that bogey hanging down on each side?

You got any more links to Paul with the same nose bogey thing? LOL :p

faulconandsnowjob

28-05-2009, 02:26 AM

These are pretty hard to argue w/, but of course, I know some people will completely ignore how the faces don't match up. lol. Well done, Ar20 :)

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3143/halfanfhalf.jpg

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2830/26886118.jpg

Also Socrates, not to beat the horse on those pics I asked you to post.

Can you do me a favour, have a look inside the noses of those two pics.

See that bogey hanging down on each side?

You got any more links to Paul with the same nose bogey thing? LOL

LOL! Yeah, it's the little things like that that give away the tampering.

dream9

28-05-2009, 04:41 AM

good comps ar20. how come we never thought of that before?

fireman

28-05-2009, 08:57 AM

Yeah lets do this!!

Perfect match:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/beardhalf.gif

:)

faulconandsnowjob

28-05-2009, 09:12 AM

Perfect match except the eyes & eyebrows don't match up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/paul_faul_vintage.png

dusthead

28-05-2009, 11:58 AM

I'll try and address this post, but no doubt you'll coward past it to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNYVxqJ83W8

Faul's interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aqGtxoXPLE

Being a music lecturer, they do have subtle variances in their diction as well as their mannerisms, and anyone with an inclination to body language knows they act with a difference.

I won't post the "yesterday" then and now comparisons because Socrates pointed out that the videos are too blurry so no audio discrimination can be made........................................ yeah that's right.

But you can check for yourself.

If you hit back with "well years take toll on the voice, drugs and smoking"

I'll refer to you Freddie Mercury, take a performance of his in the 70's then into the 80's, he keeps the same vocal stylings and twang to his multi-range voice.

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSS3m8MT0kY

This guy has EVERYTHING down to a tee, so emulating a person isn't hard, plenty of people can do impressions.... Alistar McGowan and the guys from Dead Ringers in the UK make a living of it, and they're pretty good.

Yes but Alistar McGowan is an impressionist. He hasn't spent the last 43 years constantly impersonating Tony Blair 24 hours a day - that would be impossible to sustain.

If Faul does exist, he would have to be a genius at song-writing, a vocalist who can sacrifice all individuality in the name of living a lie and a full time imposter who can even fool his wife and family (who would be the first to shout about it). He would also have to know EVERYTHING about Paul to carry off the charade - from his favourite flavour of ice cream to the time he tortured frogs at school and what his favourite sexual position is. It's just too absurd a notion to even contemplate.

Maybe if Paul McCartney was an important political figure or a religious guru, you could justify an imposter, but he's just a pop star. Record companies may be ruthless at the best of times, but what you are proposing would simply be impossible for them to carry off, as well as being completely uneccessary.

Put it this way - if I count all of my friends and family members there would be at least 20 people who would notice something was different about me and I'd be found out pretty quickly. The fact that NO-ONE in Paul's social circle has even hinted he is NOT Paul over a 43 year period speaks volumes. All we have to go on is a stupid backwards message on a record that says Paul McCartney's dead as a dodo. If Paul was an imposter and you needed to keep it quiet, the last thing you would do is tell everyone in a recorded message - That is absolutely ridiculous.

Additionally if Faul exists - who was he? I'm sure he would have friends and family too. They would almost certainly contact the press if their loved one ran off and earned millions on National TV.

As for your evidence - that is completely, obviously and finally Paul McCartney in both clips. The footage most likely utilises reel-to-reel recording devices which often causes variations in pitch and may explain why you hear the voice as different. Paul is slightly older in one clip.

It's so obvious that Paul was never replaced. Some of the posts here indicate that certain people, when presented with two pictures of a duck will awkwardly state - 'one of those animals is a giraffe - anyone who claims otherwise belongs to the Illuminati'.

As for Freddie Mercury - He wasn't Paul McCartney. End of.

See also Frank Zappa - His voice dropped by almost an octave following an accident in which his neck was twisted. His voice changed noticeably from the earlier recordings to a much more low frequency timbre. He famously stated that he liked his new voice but would have preferred another method of obtaining it.

Paul McCartney is still very much alive. If anyone has failed to spot that most basic truth they need to go to specsavers. Badly.

ar20

28-05-2009, 01:06 PM

Yeah lets do this!!

Perfect match:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/beardhalf.gif

:)

There's a reason I said straight on pics without beard and tash.

Not the best job to take it away, but it's near enough.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3528/disguise.jpg

And for "haircuts sake":

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8683/disguise2.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1260/disguise1.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8683/disguise2.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7310/disguise3.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4227/22953480.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9901/disguise5.jpg

And I'm going to have to put Socrates to shame here.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6059/socratestoshame.jpg

I had a hard time matching Paul to Fauls face (wonder why?), try it yourself, you'll find it difficult. Make sure you use clean shaven at the very least.

Music man, I think it's you who has to go to specsavers. You won't understand it unless you accept illuminati/occult involvement within the Beatles post-66.

Just because no one has mentioned it in your social circles doesn't mean anything. We're posting about it again on a message board and still people refuse to see it (albeit, it is very subtle but noticable difference).

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"It's so obvious that Paul was never replaced. Some of the posts here indicate that certain people, when presented with two pictures of a duck will awkwardly state - 'one of those animals is a giraffe - anyone who claims otherwise belongs to the Illuminati'."
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No ones claiming a ducks a giraffe, that's just pathetic. We're claiming post-66 the guys face is completely different, as well as the eyes, height, and everything else.

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Additionally if Faul exists - who was he? I'm sure he would have friends and family too. They would almost certainly contact the press if their loved one ran off and earned millions on National TV.
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Well this is the point of the topic ultimately, to find out. Some sources say he's Aleister Crowelys grandson, but I can't prove that. (again, research Aliester Crowely and Faul's interviews where he mentions Magic with a K -- you'll understand the occult Beatles post-66, I assume you know all about the illuminati anyway so this shouldn't come as a shock to you that entertainers in higher ranks are part of it to).

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If Faul does exist, he would have to be a genius at song-writing, a vocalist who can sacrifice all individuality in the name of living a lie and a full time imposter who can even fool his wife and family (who would be the first to shout about it). He would also have to know EVERYTHING about Paul to carry off the charade - from his favourite flavour of ice cream to the time he tortured frogs at school and what his favourite sexual position is. It's just too absurd a notion to even contemplate.
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Have a watch at this and tell me what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCQtP4AjVg8

Also have a watch at Faul when he's questioned about not wearing shoes on Abbey Road, he's changed his answers 3 to 4 times over the years.

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Paul McCartney is still very much alive. If anyone has failed to spot that most basic truth they need to go to specsavers. Badly.

Well I think you should make an appointment very soon, maybe get your ears tested as well.

dusthead

28-05-2009, 01:43 PM

ar20

28-05-2009, 01:58 PM

We will just have to agree to disagree.

From the evidence presented here, I could put together the exact same argument on any number of pop stars, from Peter Gabriel to Michael Jackson and Nikki Sixx from Motley Crue (in fact Sixx has already been accused of being an imposter!).

There is simply nothing to go on, other than our own interpretations of photographs and audio clips, and a backwards message on an album that contradicts the whole argument. That's it! It's hardly 'The Real X-Files'.

Links with Crowley are tenuous at best, and at one point in music history it was fashionable to pormote the philosophies and writings of Corwley - see also Led Zeppelin and Crowley's image on Sergeant Pepper. We could say these musicians are conspiring with members of the occult. Then again, we could say they were a bunch of deluded hippies trying to live an 'alternative lifestyle'. Without knowing them personally we cannot say with 100% certainty and we can only speculate.

Re: What do I make of the video?

It shows some photographs of Paul McCartney and some fairly straightforward interiews with Heather Mills (effected with reverberation to make it sound like it was recorded in a creepy dungeon). There are some sinister audio drones to make us all feel a bit disturbed when we watch it. There doesn't seem to be any real point being made. Am I missing something?

Heather mills: "He betrayed me immensely, and I don't mean infidelity or anything like that".

Now just out of curiousity, what could that possibly be? What's worse than being cheated on?

In the GMTV interview she said "Certain parties don't want the truth coming out, and I've given someone a box
of evidence should anything happen to me".

Of course at the time everyone was slating her so that went right over everyones head and she was portrayed as
a gold-digging bitch. Nobody listened to a word she said because the media portrayed her to be an absolute cow.

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The point of the pics above? I showed you on the previous page and on this, that faces are near symetrical, so when placed together they should match up.

Left side to left, right to right.

I posted a Brad Pitt comp last page, near perfect, I've done it with Fauls face, near comp.... I've done it with Paul vs Faul and it doesn't match that well.

Yes you can do it with anybody! Go ahead, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

There is simply HUNDREDS of bits and pieces to go on. You seem to think it was one recording that when put backwards said "Paul is pan bread".

These are some of the backwards messagings off the top of my head (search youtube).

Let it Be reversed = "Pauls dead, PAULS DEAD"
Blue Jay Way = Please don't go" = "Paul is bloody"
Revolution 9 = Number 9 = "Turn me on, dead man"
All Together Now = "All together now" = "I buried Paul"

Johns mumbling = "Paul is dead man, MISS HIM, MISS HIM"

I made the point earlier saying these only occur after 66.

A lot of the time it's gibberish on backmasking, but you have to ask yourself why there isn't a case of a reversal involving say... Ringo... or George, it's always Paul and it's always death?

You a coincidence theorist or something? :cool:

"The life and times of Paul McCartney" showed he has links to Crowley (as seen in the video if you pause the onslaught of images at the end, I take it's some book.

You could say they were hippies or occultists, and you're right, we don't know them. All I know is Jimmy Page bought an occult bookshop and some castle that belonged to an occultist at the time. Fair point, so I can't accuse, but it's the same stuff the elite of the planet play on right? All the satanism/occultism, child sacrifice, mind control through the media, manipulation, etc. etc.

ar20

28-05-2009, 02:09 PM

Should point out that the clues are scattered everywhere post 66 incase you didn't already know.

A mirror across SGT. PEPPERS drum on the cover reads out:

I ONE IX HE ◊ DIE

11/9 HE ^ DIE - with the arrow pointing to Paul.

And according to everyones interpretation he died on 9/11/66 in a car crash.

"In August 1966, the band made what would turn out to be its last public performance -- at Candlestick Park in San Francisco -- lasting barely over a half hour. The decision was made to stop touring and concentrate on writing and recording."

http://www.youtube.com/v/zg6MTRWioMk

Have a look at this, last video of Paul then 3 months later he's Faul, and there's no touring.

Understand numerology, understand the dates, understand the Beatles time line and understand that within 3 months they look absolutely different, all of them do.

dusthead

28-05-2009, 03:29 PM

ar20

28-05-2009, 04:23 PM

Without reprinting endless quotes -

Everything you lot are putting forward is the bible according to YOU.

None of it is conclusive, specific or exact.

Yes indeed - How was Heather Mills betrayed? SHE DOESN'T SAY! You are filling in the blanks with your own fantasies. For all we know she meant he beat her up, abused the dog or maybe stole money from her. Who bloody knows? Not you, not me, not anyone - Paul and Heather are the only ones who know what she was talking about and they are keeping it to themselves.

We can't comment on her words as we have no idea what she is talking about. No amount of creepy music can reveal any more than that.

The evidence you put forward is utterly, utterly inclonclusive. It could mean absolutely anything to anyone. The endless posts of photographs are not working guys. 130 pages is adequate space to prove the point and very few, if any skeptics have been convinced so far. They simply look like exactly the same person in both pictures.

Show me one piece of evidence that isn't based on your subjective opinion of a photograph, sound file or a conjunction of letters and numbers that could mean something spooky.

I WANT HARD EVIDENCE - PROVE IT!

1) Paul is not Paul - Says who? Based on what?
2) Paul is Faul - According to what? According to who?
3) Paul died in 1966 - How do we know this for sure? Was there a funeral?
4) Who the hell is Faul? What is his real name? Who are his relatives? Says who?

For this theory to be proven there must be something in the above questions that can be answered conclusively and accurately.

This does not mean saying - 'Look at these two pictures - if you squint Paul's eyebrows look different in the one on the left' - that's a CRAP argument!

It means finding details, interviews & evidence of funerals, death certificates and RELEVANT people close to Paul who SPECIFICALLY comment on the subject and say 'I know Paul is dead'.

This is typical response from a PiA'er, we've heard it all before.

Look, it's a conspiracy theory it can't be proven unless someone comes out with something "concrete".

No ones squinting eyebrows or standing on their head to see FAUL magically appear like some hidden image, I'm puting THEIR TWO FACES TOGETHER AND THEY AREN'T THE SAME. There's been so many comparisons it's unbelievable, and if you still see them as the same guy UNCHANGED then you have problems. (At least admit some form of plastic surgery, none of you will do this.)

I can't PROVE it, I don't have relationships with any of them -- all I can do is sit here and show people what I'm seeing, and what others are seeing.

Do you believe in UFO's? Alot of people do.... Extraterrestrials? David Ickes Reptiles? People believe all sorts of things, do they have CONCRETE EVIDENCE? NO, it's much like life, it's speculation based on circumstantial evidence and perception.

All I know is Paul McCartney doesn't look like Paul McCartney after 66, I'm a graphic designer, I can see the details and subtleties and I've seen and researched the timeline of the Beatles and all the other stuff to go along with it (illuminati connections, tavistock involvement in the 60's, mk ultra, occult, crowely, and on and on).

So could you do me a favor? If you're going to argue back with me, at least research everything based on it. It will save me time going back and fourth and round in circles repeating points I've made previously.

As far as I'm concerned the circumstantial evidence based on what I can see and hear is enough for me to base an assumption to the possibility of the truth. That Paul McCartney, DID die in a car crash in 66 and was replaced. I don't know the reasons, I don't know the why who when or what, but it's definitely not the same guy.

The only thing we have, is quotes, interviews, the music post-66, and the differences in photographs which you just plain refuse to even acknowledge. I'd be happy if you at least admited some change to the guy.

There is a height difference, there is a face difference, and the Beatles did change after 66.

The evidence is inconclusive based on.... what.... you saying it's inconclusive? Socrates saying it's all debunked? Who gave you two the authority to declare that? Plenty of people see the difference, you're just in the ignorant majority unfortunately.

Heather Mills doesn't say... right, did you even bother to read my quote about her GMTV appearence? She has a box of evidence going to a certain party if she is topped off?

....so Paul would have her killed if she revealed that she was beaten up/had a dog beaten up/stole money?

You don't need her to spell it out for you completely some of you have very poor common sense and faulty logic, when you walk to do have to remember "left foot, right foot?".

I'm not showing you alphabet soups or cooky 5 second clips with eerie music and nazi allusions, I'm asking YOU to tell me, why post 66 anything reversed or coded within the Beatles work relates to Paul being dead and no one else? You can't answer that, can you?

There's far too many instances of it occurring for it to be coincidence, and the usual "Oh John did that as a joke" doesn't hold water, they were genius's but I don't think they were sick sadists.

toty1994

28-05-2009, 04:46 PM

Heather mills: "He betrayed me immensely, and I don't mean infidelity or anything like that".

Now just out of curiousity, what could that possibly be? What's worse than being cheated on?

In the GMTV interview she said "Certain parties don't want the truth coming out, and I've given someone a box
of evidence should anything happen to me".

I posted this a few weeks ago re Heather's 'box of evidence'. It wasn't commented on at the time so believers either didn't see it or dismissed it as an irrelevancy. Why? Maybe because although the box clearly contains revelations that many would find unbelievable, there's no suggestion it has anything to do with pid. Obviously one could 'read between the lines' if so inclined but, in the end, what purpose would yet more meaningless conjecture serve? Could it be, considering the articles below, that Heather was not hinting that her husband was an imposter?.....

Heather Mills is ready to go public with explosive revelations about her marriage to Paul McCartney contained in tape recorded "therapy" sessions they held as their marriage disintegrated.

Miss Mills has hours of recordings of Sir Paul sharing his darkest inner thoughts with her as the couple tried to talk through their marital difficulties.
The Daily Mail has learned that the sessions were recorded on audio tapes at Sir Paul's Peasmarsh estate in West Sussex in 2005 so they could be played back as the couple "worked through" their problems.

They are understood to make up the dynamite "box of evidence" to which Miss Mills referred in TV interviews this week.
The tapes apparently feature Sir Paul and her talking often heatedly and at length about physical fights and fidelity in his first marriage to Linda.
They are also said to row about his love of alcohol and cannabis, a row which turned physical between Miss Mills and the Beatle, his treatment of Heather behind closed doors and detailed discussions about their sex life.
There are also wider-ranging recordings where Sir Paul talks about his life before Miss Mills - including remarks about other members of the rock aristocracy and the McCartney clan.
The tapes have been described as "incredibly explosive".
Miss Mills said this week that she had death threats from an "underground movement" which made her want to kill herself so her four-year-old daughter Beatrice could live a safer life.
She then said she had taken steps to ensure that the "truth will come out" about their marriage if she was ever murdered.
"I have a box of evidence that's going to a certain person should anything happen to me, so if you top me off, it's still going to that person, and the truth will come out," she said.
Last night, she continued her media onslaught against Sir Paul in the U.S.
During a TV interview she pointedly referred to having "recorded every single conversation" she had with Sir Paul as their marriage disintegrated because she thought "no one would believe her" about how the break-up was all his fault.
The recordings have remained secret until now. The Mail first learned of their existence last November when one found its way to a British TV company.
One of the tapes - said to contain Sir Paul admitting to Miss Mills that he hit Linda "once or twice" - surfaced again this week when it was played off-camera during a round of TV interviews in Britain on Wednesday.
There are other recordings which contain Heather and Sir Paul locked in discussions about the appropriateness of his level of his alcohol and cannabis consumption.
Another allegedly contains an admission from Sir Paul that he and Miss Mills came to blows during an argument.
Other more intimate recordings involve Sir Paul's feelings about sex with Heather, and what attracted him to her, talking in detail about the pros and cons of their sexual exploits.
A source at a major British TV production company who has heard the tapes said: "Heather played edited excerpts from a number of audio tapes to us.
"She came for a meeting with her friend Ben Amigoni.
"They are long rambling talks between Heather and Paul - she describes them as his therapy sessions. We got the highlights. She told us that he was definitely aware that he was being recorded."
However, he added: "It didn't sound as if he knew he was being recorded - but that is just my opinion. Paul clearly loves to talk about himself, but he may be regretting that now.
"After Heather had left us that day, my opinion was that in isolation they were dynamite, but looked at in the context of an entire marriage, they might be quite unrepresentative of what actually went on."
A source close to Sir Paul defended his drink and drugs consumption, saying: "He does have a problem, but it's not anything to do with alcoholism.
"His problem is with tolerance. If he has more than about three or four whiskies, he falls over. He simply cannot drink a lot.
"And in terms of the dope, I think the only problem he had was her ignorance about it.
"She's the one who went on regional TV and said that everyone who smoked cannabis should be put in prison."

Heather Mills has 10 secret tapes containing details about her sex life and bitter rows with estranged husband Sir Paul McCartney.

The former model - who recently claimed she had a "secret box of evidence" to use in her bitter divorce from The Beatles legend - claims the recordings prove Paul took Viagra pills to spice up their sex life, accepted blame for the breakdown of their marriage and mocked her disability.

A source told Britain's News of the World newspaper: "Some of the details about their sex life will sicken a lot of people and make them see Paul in a different light.

"There are recordings Heather says prove Paul referred to her as a, 'One-legged b***h'.

"She says it's clear from the tape that Paul apologised for the marriage breakdown and for how he treated her.

"Heather believes these tapes will put the record straight and she isn't scared to let these personal details get out."

Heather, who has a prosthetic limb after losing her left leg below the knee following a motorbike accident in 1993, also allegedly has evidence of "spiteful phone calls" from Paul's daughter Stella.

The source added: "Stella ranted, 'I hope you lose your other f***ing leg.' Heather says her tapes will back this up.

"The relationship between Heather and Stella has reached rock bottom - they can't stand each other. Heather is convinced her tapes will show the world the real Stella. They are explosive."

Heather has reportedly stored the box of evidence in a Coutts bank vault. Only she and her sister, Fiona, know the access code.

toty1994

28-05-2009, 04:54 PM

Look, it's a conspiracy theory it can't be proven unless someone comes out with something "concrete".
According to faulconandsnowjob it's not a theory, it's a proven FACT! Don't go upsetting her now.;)

dusthead

28-05-2009, 05:07 PM

Selected quotes (with edits) -

This is typical response from a PiA'er, we've heard it all before...

...Look, it's a conspiracy theory it can't be proven unless someone comes out with something "concrete"...

...I can't PROVE it, I don't have relationships with any of them -- all I can do is sit here and show people what I'm seeing, and what others are seeing...

...Do you believe in UFO's? Alot of people do.... Extraterrestrials? David Ickes Reptiles? People believe all sorts of things, do they have CONCRETE EVIDENCE? NO, it's much like life, it's speculation based on circumstantial evidence and perception...

...All I know is Paul McCartney doesn't look like Paul McCartney after 66, I'm a graphic designer, I can see the details and subtleties and I've seen and researched the timeline of the Beatles and all the other stuff to go along with it (illuminati connections, tavistock involvement in the 60's, mk ultra, occult, crowely, and on and on)....

...As far as I'm concerned the circumstantial evidence based on what I can see and hear is enough for me to base an assumption to the possibility of the truth. That Paul McCartney, DID die in a car crash in 66 and was replaced. I don't know the reasons, I don't know the why who when or what, but it's definitely not the same guy...

Case closed. This is a pointless discussion and you have said it yourself in a roundabout way.

I can finally move on to more pressing matters.

ar20

28-05-2009, 06:11 PM

I posted this a few weeks ago re Heather's 'box of evidence'. It wasn't commented on at the time so believers either didn't see it or dismissed it as an irrelevancy. Why? Maybe because although the box clearly contains revelations that many would find unbelievable, there's no suggestion it has anything to do with pid. Obviously one could 'read between the lines' if so inclined but, in the end, what purpose would yet more meaningless conjecture serve? Could it be, considering the articles below, that Heather was not hinting that her husband was an imposter?.....

Fair enough, but considering the media campaign was to absolutely distort everything she said and make her look like a cow, is it possible that she doesn't have 10 tapes oh him calling her a pirate? I mean, the media in this country isn't trustworthy one bit -- they fucked Diana over for years then she was the "peoples princess". Never forget they distort, lie, spin and twist every ounce of information.

What use would ten tapes of Paul abuse be anyway? Why would that be "revelations" material? Why would she think they'd off her for it? Why did she have to be protected? I mean come on, that's conjecture right back if you want to play that card.

"YOU PIRATE BITCH" isn't enough to die for or create 10 tapes in boxes of evidence, sorry.

ar20

28-05-2009, 06:13 PM

Selected quotes (with edits) -

Case closed. This is a pointless discussion and you have said it yourself in a roundabout way.

I can finally move on to more pressing matters.

Again, you just simply ignore what I'm saying -- it's fine, I appreciate when you all do this because you're just as bad as the PiD'ers who skim as well.

You aware that 9/11 hasn't been to court or proven either? Do you even know you're on a conspiracy theory board and not a fact board?

Nothing on here is really proven in court or by normal means, that's what I'm basically saying.

Case isn't closed matey, case still very much open -- why let a good topic die when it's interesting from whatever perspective.

faulconandsnowjob

28-05-2009, 07:17 PM

All I know is Paul McCartney doesn't look like Paul McCartney after 66, I'm a graphic designer, I can see the details and subtleties and I've seen and researched the timeline of the Beatles and all the other stuff to go along with it (illuminati connections, tavistock involvement in the 60's, mk ultra, occult, crowely, and on and on).

Ar20, this is why you get it. I guess you need a good eye for detail, plus the background knowledge to go along w/ it. I don't really see what's so shocking about the idea that the Illuminati can & have killed/replaced people. Pretty much everyone agrees that the Illuminati kill people. Everyone knows there are doubles/lookalikes. How long do they think it took the Illuminati to come up w/ the idea of replacing people they don't like w/ their own stooges?

Anyway, Heather Mills was trashed by the media to discredit her. That is nothing new. Why don't people finally wake up to Illuminati tactics?

Oh, & there is concrete proof that Paul was replaced. When the photos show 2 difft guys, that's proof of a replacement. I know some people who have no legal background really struggle w/ the concept that photographs are evidence of identity, but it is true. That's why photos are on ID's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Eyebrowsandeyes.jpg

bulletproofheart

28-05-2009, 07:19 PM

Ar20, this is why you get it. I guess you need a good eye for detail, plus the background knowledge to go along w/ it. I don't really see what's so shocking about the idea that the Illuminati can & have killed/replaced people. Pretty much everyone agrees that the Illuminati kill people. Everyone knows there are doubles/lookalikes. How long do they think it took the Illuminati to come up w/ the idea of replacing people they don't like w/ their own stooges?

Anyway, Heather Mills was trashed by the media to discredit her. That is nothing new. Why don't people finally wake up to Illuminati tactics?

Oh, & there is concrete proof that Paul was replaced. When the photos show 2 difft guys, that's proof of a replacement. I know some people who have no legal background really struggle w/ the concept that photographs are evidence of identity, but it is true. That's why photos are on ID's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Eyebrowsandeyes.jpg

Isnt he about 15 years older though in the second pic?

faulconandsnowjob

28-05-2009, 07:21 PM

^ No, b/c that's a different guy on the right.

This comp is from 3 months apart. Obviously, not the same guy.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Paul_Faul_66_neg.jpg

ar20

28-05-2009, 08:29 PM

http://veganunderground.com/joomla/images/Quotes%20Images/paul%20mccartney.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s176/nhojnat/paul-mccartney.jpg

ar20

28-05-2009, 08:33 PM

Incase it gets lost:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6059/socratestoshame.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1260/disguise1.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8683/disguise2.jpg

bulletproofheart

28-05-2009, 09:53 PM

Incase it gets lost:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6059/socratestoshame.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1260/disguise1.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8683/disguise2.jpg

I have to say I have done an about turn on this over the months.I'm convinced he was replaced.But where did Linda fit in with all this?

faulconandsnowjob

28-05-2009, 10:34 PM

I have to say I have done an about turn on this over the months.I'm convinced he was replaced.

That makes me very happy to hear that. :)

But where did Linda fit in with all this?
She was from a wealthy family, right? If so, then she may have had Illuminati ties. There are some who think she was a handler.

ar20

29-05-2009, 12:14 AM

I have to say I have done an about turn on this over the months.I'm convinced he was replaced.But where did Linda fit in with all this?

Don't go with what we're saying, try the photo comps yourself you'll be amazed.

I only got into this 3 or 4 months ago, and it took me ages to deprogram myself into seeing it as two guys.

I think the ultimate block is believing that it can't be possible.

The truth will come out eventually.

humito

29-05-2009, 12:23 AM

@ Faulcon.....Have you got the photos of the extensive surgery scars on "faul" that you said you have got and would post up when you had time???????????? you have had plenty of time now.

humito

29-05-2009, 12:29 AM

programmed by Iamaphoney more like..

faulconandsnowjob

29-05-2009, 12:32 AM

I think the ultimate block is believing that it can't be possible.
It is definitely possible...

The truth will come out eventually.
Here's hoping!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/JamesPaulBillyShears.jpg

bulletproofheart

29-05-2009, 01:18 AM

That makes me very happy to hear that. :)

She was from a wealthy family, right? If so, then she may have had Illuminati ties. There are some who think she was a handler.

Makes sense,she wore the trousers in that relationship if the rumours are true.It was her own money that paid for Linda Mcartney foods.

astrochicken

29-05-2009, 12:10 PM

Makes sense,she wore the trousers in that relationship if the rumours are true.It was her own money that paid for Linda Mcartney foods.

She was of the Eastmann-Kodak family.

ar20

29-05-2009, 01:58 PM

programmed by Iamaphoney more like..

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

I use phoneys video to illustrate points. I haven't been programmed at all, I got into this 4 months ago after looking at the photos myself and doing the research.

toty1994

29-05-2009, 06:45 PM

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Well, after more than 40 years pid is still ridiculed. It is opposed on forums like this but the nearest it comes to violence is in the normal cut and thrust of heated debate. Even then much of the 'opposition' is fairly toungue-in-cheek - for me it's little more than an amusing way to pass the time. I don't think the third will ever come to pass.

Iamaphoney, by the way, is ridiculing pid quite cleverly imo. The suitcases saga was a big clue I think, but people still fell for it.

faulconandsnowjob

29-05-2009, 09:38 PM

^ There are still people who believe the official stories about JFK & 9/11. People who don't believe the ridiculous official versions are ridiculed. So? Does that make the official stories right? No, of course not.

In this case, Paul was replaced, ridiculous or not. The Illuminati count on people thinking these sorts of things are ridiculous so that the sheeple never figure out what is going on. They're ridiculing people like you.

toty1994

29-05-2009, 10:24 PM

^^What're 'ridiculous' are those comparisons.

Keep watching iamaphoney - you'll see.;)

faulconandsnowjob

30-05-2009, 02:55 AM

I don't really know how anyone can argue w/ this. This is so obviously not the same person. Only a seriously programmed person would keep insisting these are 2 halves of the same face.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1260/disguise1.jpg

ar20

30-05-2009, 01:57 PM

Well, after more than 40 years pid is still ridiculed. It is opposed on forums like this but the nearest it comes to violence is in the normal cut and thrust of heated debate. Even then much of the 'opposition' is fairly toungue-in-cheek - for me it's little more than an amusing way to pass the time. I don't think the third will ever come to pass.

Iamaphoney, by the way, is ridiculing pid quite cleverly imo. The suitcases saga was a big clue I think, but people still fell for it.

The only people I've seen ridiculing it is people like you, Socrates, Hey Dude, and the other "PiA"'ers or die hard Faul McCartney fans/Beatles fans.

I've talked to people who are neither and they insist they see two different faces.

Iamaphoney is ridiculing PiD quite cleverly? So the guy is travelling around dropping off Briefcases with rare cuts of Christmas Beatles records and the original SGT PEPPER PRINT in different locations to wind us up?

He's made 75 videos which look as if they'd take a lot of work (backmasking, picture slideshows, footage manipulation, rare footage, rare audio clips, interview with a german musician who knew Paul.)

This is same logic for your Heather Mills TV confession?

They're all just out their winding us up?

You see the difference between us here? You're logic is leading you to believe your own silly assumptions. Use some common sense and fix that, would you?

What kind of guy would spend all that time releasing videos and breaking the "Beatles" code for which he still hasn't had a prize for?

Unless he's INSANE, you don't have a case.

It's the same line as folk who say Alex Jones is taking all your money and buying big houses and cars, scamming you into fear....

HE RELEASES VIDEOS FOR FREE and charges like 5 bucks to get a plethora of media!

People seriously sadden me at times... LOL.

toty1994

30-05-2009, 03:19 PM

The only people I've seen ridiculing it is people like you, Socrates, Hey Dude, and the other "PiA"'ers or die hard Faul McCartney fans/Beatles fans.
Other than threads like this on some conspiracy forums, yes, it is indeed ridiculed just about everywhere else, both on the internet and in 'real life'. Or if not ridiculed, certainly viewed in a light-hearted, jokey way and not taken seriously. You can come back with MSM!, TPTB!, sheeple! or whatever to explain it if you want but it's still true. As for the term "PiAers", is it necessary to have a label for people who's belief is shared by 99.75% (guessing here;)) of the world's population?........yeah I know, it's those sheeple again.:rolleyes:

Iamaphoney is ridiculing PiD quite cleverly? So the guy is travelling around dropping off Briefcases with rare cuts of Christmas Beatles records and the original SGT PEPPER PRINT in different locations to wind us up?
In a word - yes.:)

Unless he's INSANE, you don't have a case.
He is great in his own small way, certainly not insane. He has created a micro-phenomenon on the internet. His 'revelation', when it comes, is going to confirm.... hoax....and a brilliant one at that. That's what I think...let's wait and see.;)

faulconandsnowjob

30-05-2009, 07:03 PM

The only people I've seen ridiculing it is people like you, Socrates, Hey Dude, and the other "PiA"'ers or die hard Faul McCartney fans/Beatles fans.
I'm a die-hard *Paul* McCartney fan. That's one reason I'm involved in this. I'd love for the truth to come out.

IAAP is probably an insider who is trying to get the truth out. I think his videos pretty much tell the whole story, if you know how to read them.

ar20

30-05-2009, 09:43 PM

Other than threads like this on some conspiracy forums, yes, it is indeed ridiculed just about everywhere else, both on the internet and in 'real life'. Or if not ridiculed, certainly viewed in a light-hearted, jokey way and not taken seriously. You can come back with MSM!, TPTB!, sheeple! or whatever to explain it if you want but it's still true. As for the term "PiAers", is it necessary to have a label for people who's belief is shared by 99.75% (guessing here;)) of the world's population?........yeah I know, it's those sheeple again.:rolleyes:

In a word - yes.:)

He is great in his own small way, certainly not insane. He has created a micro-phenomenon on the internet. His 'revelation', when it comes, is going to confirm.... hoax....and a brilliant one at that. That's what I think...let's wait and see.;)

That's all fine and dandy...

Except for one small problem:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1260/disguise1.jpg

PiD in the end, is going to proven right.

ar20

30-05-2009, 09:59 PM

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/476/imposter.jpg

ar20

30-05-2009, 10:35 PM

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9963/imposter3.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

31-05-2009, 01:34 AM

^ The White Album picture of "Paul" is likely a composite of Paul & Faul.

But yeah, excellent work in showing how the Paul faces don't match up. :)

linda28

31-05-2009, 02:01 AM

Hi.

I've been reading this thread and find it interesting. I don't know what to believe, but to me it's obvious that the nose is very different on that man.
I can see that especially on the photo on page 128, 4th post. Seems like Faul's nose is shaped like a V, with the nostrils pointed upwards. Paul's nose is flat and you can't see the nostrils.

The Heather Mills thing is weird, yes. I never thought she was crazy just because she is emotional. Seems like people forget that Paul/Faul actually chose this woman to give him a child and proposed to her. Why did people blame her I don't know.

And another thing I think is weird about Paul or Faul - I remember him saying he was never away from Linda except from one night, during all those years of marriage. That's NOT normal.

The genius musician thing is the thing that makes me question the conspiracy. Is he a clone? Can they clone dead people? I have no idea. But hypnosis might work on the creative area of the mind.

Just an overall feeling to these pics - the Faul seems like Paul's evil twin or something. The eyes seem more cold and arrogant. Paul seemed a lot more shy somehow *shrug*...

faulconandsnowjob

31-05-2009, 02:50 AM

^ Excellent observations. Thanks for your input :)

About clones... there are some interesting articles by Fritz Springmeier about that. The technology seems to be a lot more advanced than they let on. Apparently, they just need 1 cell to make a clone... At any rate, I don't personally, think Faul is a clone. I think there may be a familial connection, tho.

linda28

31-05-2009, 03:06 AM

:) Familial connection? Who?

Lol. After looking at these different pictures I must say I think Paul or Faul is one strange human being. There is something about his presence that just provokes something in me. I am not a Beatles fan whatsoever, so I have no connection to these people. But I somehow feel very strange vibes from all this...
What makes no sense though - if Paul was replaced - how could they cover it up for all this time for everyone and their families?

faulconandsnowjob

31-05-2009, 06:35 AM

:) Familial connection? Who?
Don't know, but Paul & Faul might be related. Cousins or something.

After looking at these different pictures I must say I think Paul or Faul is one strange human being. There is something about his presence that just provokes something in me. I am not a Beatles fan whatsoever, so I have no connection to these people. But I somehow feel very strange vibes from all this...
I know what you mean about Faul. It's a totally difft vibe from the one I get from Paul.

What makes no sense though - if Paul was replaced - how could they cover it up for all this time for everyone and their families?
Sure, it makes sense if you think of it in the context of the Illuminati. They kill people, replace them w/ their own stooges, threaten the family & friends if they talk, control the media so the truth never gets out.

faulconandsnowjob

31-05-2009, 09:45 AM

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Paul_Faul_53109.jpg

ar20

31-05-2009, 03:25 PM

ar20

31-05-2009, 08:16 PM

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Paul_Faul_53109.jpg

Faulcon, unfortunately for you, they're not the right angle, Paul has a different haircut, the lighting was different that day, I'm pretty sure one was taken on a Tuesday and the the other some time in Autumn.

Also Paul had a sore toe that day, and Faul didn't get much sleep that night playing Black Sabbath Backwards into the wee hours of the morning running around in a walrus suit drawing funny faces on John Lennon portraits.

One more thing, THEY'RE BLUE AT THE BOTTOM, WTF, YOU CLEARLY EDITED THESE.

You can't use this as evidence, DEBUNKED.

THIS IS EVIDENCE:

TOTALLY UNTAMPERED ALA SOCRATES:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6841/comp642ap.jpg

SEE? SEE? IT'S THE SAME FACE, CASE CLOSED, DEBUNKED, AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE.

:p

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1260/disguise1.jpg

"...You PiD'ers are insane, it's the same face."

faulconandsnowjob

31-05-2009, 08:24 PM

I believe it had to be someone close to the Beatles, or someone high up intelligence.
There are def clues that Faul has intell ties.

Iamaphoney believes the "king of cosmania" as Faul calls himself is really an anagram of "Son of the Magickian" -- magic with a K.
Crowley was supposedly British intell, which is an arm of the Illuminati, right? The Illuminati are Satan-worshippers, so it all ties in together.

Faulcon, unfortunately for you, they're not the right angle, Paul has a different haircut, the lighting was different that day, I'm pretty sure one was taken on a Tuesday and the the other some time in Autumn.

Also Paul had a sore toe that day, and Faul didn't get much sleep that night playing Black Sabbath Backwards into the wee hours of the morning running around in a walrus suit drawing funny faces on John Lennon portraits.
LOL! :-) Obviously, Paul must have gotten plastic surgery b/c he was so insecure about his looks. :rolleyes:

sunsoflight

01-06-2009, 02:25 PM

You all keep moving round and round on me.

You can do a lot with plastic surgery these days, but it's currently impossible to emulate a human voice exactly - even through electronic synthesis.

Is that a fact? ;)

howie

01-06-2009, 02:42 PM

Faul could be the son of the beast, the dates add up. Aleister Attaturk was born on 2 May 1937, which would make him 30 years old when MagiKal Mystery Tour was filmed, how old did he say he was to that woman on the bus? ;)

faulconandsnowjob

01-06-2009, 07:44 PM

Has Faul been able to emulate Paul's voice exactly? I don't think so...

sunsoflight

01-06-2009, 08:40 PM

Alluding to the word "impossible" was my thought, just as in the cellular phone calls of United Airlines Flight 93.

sunsoflight

01-06-2009, 08:41 PM

Carry on...just passing through. :)

faulconandsnowjob

01-06-2009, 11:25 PM

Alluding to the word "impossible" was my thought, just as in the cellular phone calls of United Airlines Flight 93.

Wait. What do you mean? That the calls never happened? (which would be my guess...)

sunsoflight

02-06-2009, 05:11 AM

What I am saying is the voice technology is present though not to the general public. United Airlines Flight 93 was an example of this with the cell phone call from Mark Brigham to his mother which is not normally the way one speaks to a parent or any close relative for that matter. Here is the transcript of the infamous call.

Caller: "Mom? This is Mark Brigham."
Caller: "I want you to know that I love you. I'm on a flight from Newark to San Francisco and there are three guys who have taken over the plane and they say they have a bomb."
Alice: "Who are these guys?
Caller: (after a pause) "You believe me, don't you?
Caller: "Yes, Mark. I believe you. But who are these guys?

Take into consideration how far advanced the U.S. military is compared to the mainstream technology of today, estimated 20-40 years as a good reasonable guess. With advanced algorithmic voice recognition and today's powerful computers, it is just a matter of programming detailed nuances of a voice using synthesis to allow a person to say anything and have it coming out so well not even your mother could not tell it is not your voice over the telephone. The only key would be to have enough recordings of the individual to complete the voice profile.

Now, carry on with the PID/PIA discussion and I'll just watch from the sidelines and not interrupt.

faulconandsnowjob

02-06-2009, 07:36 AM

Caller: "Mom? This is Mark Brigham."
That was good for a hearty chuckle :D

Um, ok, so you're saying that they could pretty well emulate Paul's voice in the studio. What about interviews? Would that be more of a true reading, or fake as well?

toty1994

02-06-2009, 11:51 AM

I don't believe in cloning Paul or anything like that.

I believe it had to be someone close to the Beatles, or someone high up intelligence.

Iamaphoney believes the "king of cosmania" as Faul calls himself is really an anagram of "Son of the Magickian" -- magic with a K.

Well as Ringo would say:

"The resemblence is truly striking"

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1497/faulcrowley.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7435/faulcrowley2.jpg

Crowley is on the SGT. PEPPERS cover so the Beatles were aware or him.

Maybe it's by relation, who knows? But Faul certainly does mention Magic with a K and other such Crowleyisms in a plethora of interviews.

So there's evidence that 'Faul' is/was interested in the occult and Crowley. Ok, that in itself is unremarkable - lots of musicians have been. Iamaphoney (or whoever) seems to be saying...

Son of the Magickian is an anagram of King of Cosmania + Faul's interest in the occult = Crowley is Faul's' dad? Is that it?

"The resemblence is truly striking".....

Not as striking as with this fella..

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5769/fatheryv1.gif

Now, as far as I'm aware this man is accepted to be the 'real' Paul's father by Pid believers. So how come as 'Faul' has matured, he's got to look more and more like him? This is what one would expect of a genuine father and son. That profile is more than 'truly striking', it's near identical. If that man was not Faul's father what is the explanation? Playing the surgery card doesn't make sense because (using Pid logic) Paul's 'real' dad should not look like 'Faul' in the first place.

Here's another to illustrate the point..

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/IMG.jpg

sunsoflight

02-06-2009, 12:03 PM

Faking an interview of any person would be difficult over the span of five decades. The variables in the process would be the type of equipment the audio is recorded on and post processing if any. Another factor is the age of the person. It is common people's voices normally change over time as a person ages, both male and female. Throw in heavy smoking of tobacco or marijuana over many years also changes the vocal chords. The last part of the equation is the condition of the vocal chords at a particular time which is even more true for a singer and strain on the voice, due to recent performances, long-time performances, and to a very slight degree, illnesses and permanent damage.

After all of that hot air I just spewed forth, a voice analysis expert would have a better chance in voice recognition using interviews than music recorded in a studio. Studio audio is very difficult to pin down for many reasons. A few reasons would be double tracking and blending of other voices of other people, the instruments changing the vocal spectrum, the pitch of the voice. An example of change in pitch would be "Strawberry Fields Forever" in which two recordings are spliced together at different speeds to create a finished production which alters the final outcome.

Surely, an expert in this day and age would have a much better perspective than one five decades ago when the recording process was in it's infancy, for lack of a better term, the evolution has progressed to a great degree.

The final word would be having many samples which have been unaltered in any way over the entire life of a person who claims a personal identity. As far as I have knowledge, there isn't technology to alter vocal chords. Then again, if there is real cloning of the human genome in this day and age, they would be exact copies except for the environmental effects and conditions the said clone would be subjected to during the lifespan in question. In other words, smoking, etc. the learned accents of those around them during the formation and growing process and language programming in the brain.

Of course, this is only an opinion and do not expect any person to believe something because I wrote it. What a person believes as truth is what they feel deep down instinctively to be truth. We should not expect our own personal truths to be necessarily the absolute fact of the matter as we all differ one from another.

sunsoflight

02-06-2009, 01:09 PM

Now, as far as I'm aware this man is accepted to be the 'real' Paul's father by Pid believers. So how come as 'Faul' has matured, he's got to look more and more like him? This is what one would expect of a genuine father and son. That profile is more than 'truly striking', it's near identical. If that man was not Faul's father what is the explanation? Playing the surgery card doesn't make sense because (using Pid logic) Paul's 'real' dad should not look like 'Faul' in the first place.

Add a wig, toupee, or hair implants. :D Make a good gif for Paul's Dad bald head with Macca hair, just for entertainment.

http://www.asontvinfomercials.com/tvproducts/scalpmed.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuTPX4JormM

toty1994

02-06-2009, 01:26 PM

^^
I know you included a :D but I'm not certain you're joking. This is what it's come to on here!

sunsoflight

02-06-2009, 02:35 PM

I know you included a but I'm not certain you're joking. This is what it's come to on here!

That was an actual attempt at humour and it would amuse me if Socrates made gif photo of Paul's dad with Macca hair.

By the way, toty1994, just curious and not knocking you or putting you down, what does the 1994 mean in your screen name?

ar20

02-06-2009, 03:08 PM

So there's evidence that 'Faul' is/was interested in the occult and Crowley. Ok, that in itself is unremarkable - lots of musicians have been. Iamaphoney (or whoever) seems to be saying...

Son of the Magickian is an anagram of King of Cosmania + Faul's interest in the occult = Crowley is Faul's' dad? Is that it?

"The resemblence is truly striking".....

Not as striking as with this fella..

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5769/fatheryv1.gif

Now, as far as I'm aware this man is accepted to be the 'real' Paul's father by Pid believers. So how come as 'Faul' has matured, he's got to look more and more like him? This is what one would expect of a genuine father and son. That profile is more than 'truly striking', it's near identical. If that man was not Faul's father what is the explanation? Playing the surgery card doesn't make sense because (using Pid logic) Paul's 'real' dad should not look like 'Faul' in the first place.

Here's another to illustrate the point..

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/IMG.jpg

Good point. I'm not by any means suggesting Crowley/Faul relationship, I'm just saying it's been pointed out by the so far, and so called most prominent in the PiD crowd -- which is phoney.

In regards to the fade, I wouldn't say a sideview fade blend of the two is accurate enough to go by. The fade also, to myself, only looks as if the nose matches up, the rest certainly does not.

The front picture of his dad looks nothing like Paul or Faul.

It's highly subjective this point as well, because we aren't replicated clones of our mums and dads, we're a blend + dash of uniqueness, but we inherit some of the same qualities as our parents, such as eyes, etc.

I wouldn't really go running off with this as evidence or anything myself, but if anyone can do more matchups of Paul/Faul and Dad it would really shed some light.

toty1994

02-06-2009, 03:13 PM

That was an actual attempt at humour and it would amuse me if Socrates made gif photo of Paul's dad with Macca hair.

By the way, toty1994, just curious and not knocking you or putting you down, what does the 1994 mean in your screen name?

Ok sorry, it really is hard for me to tell sometimes with some of the other posters.:)

toty1994, just the letters of one of my favourite albums and the year it came out - Teenager of the Year by Frank Black. Did you think it might mean something else?

ar20

02-06-2009, 03:17 PM

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6104/paulfauldad.jpg

mamakaz

02-06-2009, 03:25 PM

Hi everyone, x

i find this fascinating, i had not heard of pid until a few days ago, now im hooked, i just done a few searches and found this info

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index
Name Mary P Mohin
Year Reg 1941 Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's Surname: McCartney
District Liverpool North
County Lancashire
Volume 8b
Page 1295

download document from here
http://www.sendspace.com/file/9zyq9x
.........................

Then i found a birth reg for James P McCartney mothers maiden name Mahon (some records
often have spelling mistakes)...

England & Wales, Birth Index
Name: James P McCartney
Mother's Maiden Surname: Mahon
Date of Reg Jul Aug Sep 1942
Registration district Liverpool N
Registration county Lancashire
Volume Number 8b
Page Number 604

download doc here
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o2g5an
.........................

noticed this one too, mothers maiden name Heeley unlikely to be JPM
but still noted...

England & Wales, Birth Index
about James P McCartney
Name: James P McCartney
Mother's Maiden Surname Heeley
Date of Reg Apr May Jun 1941
Registration district Rother V
Registration Yorkshire
Volume Number 9c
Page Number 1421
...........................

now i have searched every death reg in 1966, obviously i have found nothing
under the name James P McCartney but i had to look.

when i get time, ill do a proper ancestry chart on the family, you never know
what you will find, also if anyone wants the Docs, you can use the reg info and get them through GRO at 7quid each, kaz

ar20

02-06-2009, 03:27 PM

mamakaz

02-06-2009, 03:36 PM

Welllllllllllllllllllllll ar20,
i must admit i did think it was a joke at first, but i keep an open mind about everything, and i think all the pid'ers are not crazy at all,

i have a few hours later so ill get stuck into the McCartney family, i might or might not be able to find any links at all, but i like a challenge, lol

it was the ear pic that got me thinking...

toty1994

02-06-2009, 03:38 PM

mamakaz - I like your approach to this. Could be interesting.:)

mamakaz

02-06-2009, 03:53 PM

hi toty, x

well i love doing Ancestry research anyway, and i sometimes look up the rich and famous just for fun (yeah, i need to get a life, lol)

and once your parents have registered a birth, you are on the system whether you like it or not, also, if you can go far back into a family you can find links to others, my tree is back to 1680 on 3 lines now, woohoo

its almost impossible if children are adopted,
but im interested in how easy it seems to be for the Powers that be to
cover stuff up and keep people quiet!

mamakaz

02-06-2009, 04:37 PM

ok, im going through this thread just taking some notes and ref points, lots of the links and photos have been removed from there source,

ive had a quick search on the M family, and found pauls? grandparents as
Joseph McCartney b 1866 / Florence Clegg b 1874 d 1944 (see, i cant leave this alone now)

ok, im gone for a while, back laters

mamakaz

02-06-2009, 04:44 PM

lol, i couldnt have done it better myself...

just googled grandparents names and...

http://www.iol.ie/~beatlesireland/Irish%20Heritage/paulheritage.html

saves me alot of work, i can focus on the sidelines now

faulconandsnowjob

02-06-2009, 07:21 PM

Then again, if there is real cloning of the human genome in this day and age, they would be exact copies except for the environmental effects and conditions the said clone would be subjected to during the lifespan in question.
Well, there's that, but I've also read that a holographic copy of the mind can be made & downloaded into the clone's mind. So, they actually can have the original person's memories.

Now, as far as I'm aware this man is accepted to be the 'real' Paul's father by Pid believers. So how come as 'Faul' has matured, he's got to look more and more like him? This is what one would expect of a genuine father and son. That profile is more than 'truly striking', it's near identical. If that man was not Faul's father what is the explanation? Playing the surgery card doesn't make sense because (using Pid logic) Paul's 'real' dad should not look like 'Faul' in the first place.
Faul started out looking a little bit like Paul. After some work, he looked more like Paul. That's why the resemblance to Paul's dad seems to improve.

Welcome, Mamakaz!

sunsoflight

02-06-2009, 10:32 PM

Toty, my first thought is your numbers imply the year you are born as some people use a screen name with numbers after it to show their age. All I can say is...if you are that young, I would gladly swap my age for yours. Yes, another poor attempt to be funny.

Faulcon, just a couple of years back there was talk of nanotechnology that may possibly be able to store an entire person's memories for the very precise purpose of uploading the information into a new body. If it isn't reality yet, be certain someone somewhere is working on it at this very moment. Nanotech is fairly new but is on it's second decade of life now.

faulconandsnowjob

02-06-2009, 11:53 PM

Suns, according to my research, down-loading a memory is already a possibility. This is from my own notes, so sorry that not all the references are there, but anyone who is interested could do an internet search & verify if they wanted to. The technology sounds very complicated...

****
A clone is a synthetic biological organism with a holographically imposed memory complex. Can be programmed to do whatever desired. Small discrepancies exist btw copies. All that is required is a holographic fragment (one cell) and a replica can be reproduced. Then all that is required is down-loading of the memory data and programming of the manufactured entity.

holographic brain: duplicates essentially the entire memory of a person being copied. The key to doing this is a new technique called an “ultrasonic cerebral hologram”. Using high-frequency sound waves, which are inaudible, a complete three-dimensional picture is made of a person’s brain. This is a painless, non-destructive process; and under the proper conditions it can be done without the person even being aware of it. [Beter] An ultra-sonic cerebral hologram must be obtained of the person who is to be simulated. This procedure is painless to the person, and most people who are to be simulated don't even know this is being done to them when it is happening. The biological computer, the cloned "brain", is then caused to form according to the recorded data in the holographic cerebral hologram obtained from the original source subject. In other words, they take the image, project it into a clone and allow the brain inside the clone to grow exactly like the original source model. The body is already there and they grow the brain inside it. They can accomplish this whole process within 90 days, creating a believable clone of an adult human being. All they need to grow the body in which the brain is later to be grown is three cells from the original body. Although the cerebral hologram automatically duplicates the memory of the original person, portions of the brain of the clone may be made to deviate from the entire holographic print. So, they can put information in there that did not exist in the original person's brain. [Beter]
It is possible to extract a recording, an electronic recording of one’s memories, psyche and vibrations, including the personality, and to put these into a synthetic replica of the entity. it does not even require the first entity be killed in order to extract this recording or this information and to transplant the recording to the personality, etc., into a double. The double can exist along with the original. It is seldom exactly the same, but is usually very much the same. There is always something lost in the transfer. the double can also be altered in terms of its information, so that it can be reprogrammed more easily than the original. it is in this way that an entity may be caused to take a position that is different from the position the original held, because the new programming or the collection of vibrations that hold the information of the individual when transplanted to a new body can be altered with new programming because it is not based on direct experience. The information the original obtained was obtained by direct experience linked with emotions. The information, when it is transferred, does not have that same depth of attachment and can be altered more easily.

The result is a programmable biological computerized brain, and a clone that knows essentially everything which the original person knew. They can be programmed for suicide missions, or missions too dangerous for normal humans such as specialized missions into space or time, or they can be used as they are often used now - for invasion of world planetary governments. Clones are more easily programmed through mind-control type education and military training than are souled-humans with a freewill. Clones have no freewill, only a sense of survival, and will act accordingly through conditioned behavior. The human clone acts robotically and is incapable of changing programming or thinking outside of "the box."

The downloading of all information in the brain of the original person or of the clone being replaced must be done at the moment the new clone is needed. This can be done most successfully from the person's brain to the first clone. Slight deterioration occurs with every successive downloading procedure from the outcast clone to its replacement. The original brain cannot be used to circumvent this deterioration because that original brain does not have the same accumulated knowledge as the most recent cloned entity. You can see that the identical store of latest information is essential if the replacement clone is to be accepted as the real person.

ar20

02-06-2009, 11:57 PM

I actually am going to be incredibly ignorant and doubt the whole "cloning" side of it.

We can't go from Paul having surgery, to Nanomachines in a Beatle without sounding too tinfoil, can we?

If this topic is to accomplish anything we have to keep it tight and in perspective.

That's not to rule out cloning and all that, it's very possible.

I also don't think they used voice mod software on interviews with him, I happen to think he's nailed Paul's voice about 75% apart from nuances and delivery. He's just a "Uhhh, good, uhhh replica". A fine mimic. No wonder he was chosen.

faulconandsnowjob

03-06-2009, 12:05 AM

Oh, I don't think cloning comes into PID at all. If Faul were a clone, he'd look more like Paul, I'd imagine. I was just going off on a tangent b/c suns was talking about down-loading memories... Oh, see that's another thing. If Paul's memories had been down-loaded into Faul's head, then he probably wouldn't say weird things like the Beatles were "a set up affair" when he joined or whatever.

Anyway, back to business :-)

clint web

03-06-2009, 01:21 AM

It's time to get outside and get some fresh air folks.

dream9

03-06-2009, 02:13 AM

Already did that.

Regarding cloning, I think it's used mainly with political figures to make sure the bloodline is kept in check, etc. Cloning a celebrity, i.e. non-bloodline, defeats the purpose and makes it less likely that the clone with follow through with the agenda. But a different person can be programmed to perform the deed of being a celebrity icon's replacement, at least for a certain period of time.......until their programming becomes undone.

faulconandsnowjob

03-06-2009, 02:47 AM

My research indicates that the only adult human clones at this point are of maximally powerful people who want to insure that, in the event of their death, their control continues over the unaware public. I think the Illuminati will use anything at their disposal to control & manipulate the masses. I've read that the possibilities for a double are a lookalike, clone, synthetic, & organic robotoid. There is also supposedly technological advances already in use by the Elite that are comprised totally of physical “matter” manifested into what you perceive as physical coalition of these physical matter particles coalesced according to the DNA/RNA holographic blueprint whereby the re-creation is a projection of that which is being copied at the time of replication. 

So, anyway, even though I think Faul is a lookalike, I wouldn't put it past the Illuminati to clone or otherwise make a double for a popular celebrity w/ the intent to use that person to further their agenda.

toty1994

03-06-2009, 12:05 PM

Faul started out looking a little bit like Paul. After some work, he looked more like Paul. That's why the resemblance to Paul's dad seems to improve.

But Paul's dad looked far more like 'Faul' in the first place. Do you see what I'm getting at? Why have the surgeons deliberately made 'Faul' resemble Paul's father as he's grown older? You say '..after some work, he looked more like Paul. That's why the resemblance to Paul's dad seems to improve.' Well, that doesn't make sense given that Paul's dad looks like 'Faul' and, according to you, 'Faul' doesn't look like Paul.

The answer, imo, is genes - not surgery. That is, there is no 'Faul'.

Toty, my first thought is your numbers imply the year you are born as some people use a screen name with numbers after it to show their age. All I can say is...if you are that young, I would gladly swap my age for yours. Yes, another poor attempt to be funny.
Haha, I'm actually in my 40's though apparently I have a portrait in the attic.

mamakaz

03-06-2009, 12:23 PM

Good Morning Everyone, x

wow, the Clone theory is quite mindblowing stuff,
if one is to believe in the Sun Gods, Annunnaki theory of the ancients DNA, then the clone theory is not to far stretched, this technology would therefor be available for the Chosen People to use and abuse.

I have managed to build quite a big tree for the McCartneys, im back to the 1840s, also i joined the Doppleganger site,
i may have nothing but ive found something in the 1871 census that im looking into (dont want to go into detail yet as i may be completely wrong)

but im interested in the Aspinall name at present,

back soon, kaz, x

sunsoflight

03-06-2009, 03:56 PM

Good morning, good morning, good morning...

Cloning is reality and claims of cloning human beings were made years ago by that cult sect, The Raelian Movement. Personally, I wouldn't call this group of people reliable for obvious reasons. Everybody has to believe in something to make their lives have a purpose.

http://www.rael.org/

Faulcon, very interesting information, thanks for all of the details.

I have a clue which would help with the McCartney lineage.

Paul McCartney has stronger links to The Mull of Kintyre than he ever realised when he penned Wings' 1977 hit Christmas single.

His brother, Mike McCartney has been researching the family tree and has found that Macca has Scottish ancestry.

It has long been known that Sir Paul's clan can trace its roots back to an Irish heritage.

But when photoghrapher Mike McCartney delved deeper into the family tree he astonished to find a strong Scottish thread.

Mike, who sang as Mike McGear in the 60s group The Scaffold found the McCartneys "Yesrerdays" saw them move back and forth across the Irish Sea before a branch settled in Liverpool.

The discovery has prompted Scottish Government genealogists to invite the McCartneys to spend more time North of the border uncover more about their Scottish links.

McCartney made the find while compiling a book of photographic images of the Highlands, which will be exhibited in the Scottish Parliament next year.

He said: "I have done some research and traced our roots back to the McIntosh clan. It seems my family came over from Ireland to Scotland about 150 years ago or so before travelling down to Liverpool."

It is believed that the McCartneys' great-great-grandfather settled in Scotland in the mid-19th century.

There is evidence from other sources to support the idea that the McCartneys moved from Ireland to Scotland.

American-based genealogist John McCartney, who specialises in the history of his famous surname, said members of the "McCarthy Mor" family of Munster left Ireland for Scotland around this time, with many of them starting a new life in Galloway.

The General Register Office for Scotland is staging a geneology festival "Homecoming 2009" and want the McCartney's to join-in.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said: "Our Scotland's People Centre staff would be delighted to assist Sir Paul or Mike McCartney in tracing their Scottish ancestors."

Mike McCartney's collection features 31 images of the north Highlands, including the world's shortest street, in Wick, the Dounreay nuclear plant, and a remote chocolate factory in Durness.

http://www.clickliverpool.com/news/local-news/122041-beatles-legend-paul-has-roots-that-get-back-to-scotland.html

mamakaz

03-06-2009, 04:17 PM

hi sonsoflight, thats really interesting,
this afternoon i found 3rd grt grandad...

William McGeogh
Birth: 1807 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, in 1851 he was a Hand Loom Weaver

i was thinking they have scottish in their family aswell as irish,

my family were from Lanarkshire in the 1800s, its quite a trawl through church parish records pre 1800s, there is probably a published tree somewhere online of the McCartneys, ill have a look

mamakaz

03-06-2009, 05:20 PM

woops

fireman

03-06-2009, 07:19 PM

Well, there's that, but I've also read that a holographic copy of the mind can be made & downloaded into the clone's mind. So, they actually can have the original person's memories.

:confused:
Wow, just wow! Now i really can't believe that you are a lawyer anymore. I just can't believe that someone who went to University, can believe such thing as the statement above. It is by ALL laws of physics, by everything that is know in neuroscience and bio-informatics IMPOSSIBLE. If you are truly an academic, you wouldn't parrot everything you read in some conspiracy-book. :o

faulconandsnowjob

03-06-2009, 08:23 PM

Fireman, who cares what you think?

Anyway, on to more interesting stuff:

Originally posted by Layla
I just called my four year old over to the computer and brought up these pictures. I also brought up a bunch of pictures of Johnny Depp where even *I* think they look like a different man in each one. She was able to match Johnny to Johnny about 90% of the time, and with the Paul v Faul pics, in every singe one she said they were different men.

I don't know if I believe the whole Paul is Dead thing, but I thought her input was interesting.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread195888/pg10

ar20

03-06-2009, 08:39 PM

Fireman, who cares what you think?

Anyway, on to more interesting stuff:

I'm noticing a lot more people opening up to it too. My girlfriend even says it's two different guys.

I even played the Faul Vs Paul game.

10 photos from each, and you say if you think it's a Paul or a Faul.

Needless to say, she can name them about 80-100% accuracy.

ar20

03-06-2009, 08:45 PM

Fireman, who cares what you think?

Anyway, on to more interesting stuff:

Faulcon I'm not signing up to ATS, could you post this in your topic to the guy using the "Angle/Shadow/Haircut" argument.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1260/disguise1.jpg

Such a weak rebuttal and they don't even realise it. You aren't going to find two identical pictures from two different time periods unless set up to do so, the best you can do is greyscale pictures from the front/side perspective.

Surely people can use common sense and differentiate the main focal point, which is the face (or some cases, the height).

clint web

03-06-2009, 09:08 PM

faulconandsnowjob

03-06-2009, 09:41 PM

howie

03-06-2009, 09:48 PM

Faul does not have Pauls memories, he makes too many mistakes and is often accused of rewriting history by his biographers.

His biggest gaffe is when he says "I joined the Beatles".

faulconandsnowjob

03-06-2009, 09:56 PM

Faulcon I'm not signing up to ATS, could you post this in your topic to the guy using the "Angle/Shadow/Haircut" argument.

Such a weak rebuttal and they don't even realise it. You aren't going to find two identical pictures from two different time periods unless set up to do so, the best you can do is greyscale pictures from the front/side perspective.

Surely people can use common sense and differentiate the main focal point, which is the face (or some cases, the height).

Sure - not a problem. Thanks. :) Edit: done & done :)

Faul does not have Pauls memories, he makes too many mistakes and is often accused of rewriting history by his biographers.

Agreed.

fireman

03-06-2009, 09:57 PM

^ I like how people just decide something & are so sure they're "right" before they ever even research it. You guys should really try doing some research before coming to your hasty conclusions. Try reading Fritz Springmeier & Dr. Peter Beter.

You call that research?? :rolleyes:

http://i40.tinypic.com/157dv2s.jpg

You should consider these books:

http://i39.tinypic.com/rirbmh.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/wleut1.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/mskk0j.gif

Read those, before making "hasty conclusion" about "downloading holographic copies of minds"..

But i'm sure your illuminati-guide is a good read, too. ;)

faulconandsnowjob

03-06-2009, 10:07 PM

^ You should actually read something before drawing conclusions about it.

But, I'm happy to see that you're reading & researching. Maybe there is hope for you, after all.

dream9

03-06-2009, 10:24 PM

Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance - Albert Einstein

faulconandsnowjob

03-06-2009, 10:32 PM

David Icke has complained about people coming to conclusions w/out research, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAGTJErVNBU

mamakaz

03-06-2009, 11:17 PM

ar20

03-06-2009, 11:32 PM

hi everyone, x

i was wondering earlier and its probably been thrashed out already,
but i could only find a couple of paul/fauls handwriting,

this must be from 64
http://memorabilia.hardrock.com/?item=043311

and this one

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/mamakazz/heyjude20feat203-1.png

is there anymore floating around the net?
might be interesting to look at, also i dont know how you can prove
they are written by paul/faul

Faulcon has the story of the German woman who noticed Faul's sig didn't match one coming from a left handed person.

Anyone here got sig comparisons? Surely he didn't mimic the signature to a tee as well?

faulconandsnowjob

03-06-2009, 11:35 PM

Mamakaz, here are some examples:

Paul's handwriting:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d196/Beatlesphotos/KV_paul_note.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d196/Beatlesphotos/KV_paul_sketch.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/truecolors112/part%204/A1.jpg

Faul's:

http://www.gottahaverockandroll.com/LotImages/SCN2_90_lg.jpeg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c250/ladygamer/qnov05_1.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/Faul20letter.jpg

Signatures:

http://members.cruzio.com/~bbarrow/jpsigs.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/paul/mccartney2.gif

There's a thread on this here:
http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lyrics&action=display&thread=585

mamakaz

03-06-2009, 11:37 PM

i would imagine its a very hard thing to do if your naturally right handed,
and im sure people would have noticed this,

im trying to find some samples of writing, but im really sleepy now,
might give up and start again in the morning, dam im hooked, lol

faulconandsnowjob

03-06-2009, 11:39 PM

Faulcon has the story of the German woman who noticed Faul's sig didn't match one coming from a left handed person.

Bettina Krischbin alleged that "Paul" had sent a double to give blood when her mother (Erika Huebers) commenced a paternity suit against him in Germany. (1983) He looked different, & had a different signature (comparing the one in the paternity case file to the one in the Hamburg Beatles museum).

Anyone here got sig comparisons? Surely he didn't mimic the signature to a tee as well?
I posted a comp. I'm sure he practiced the signature. That would've been part of the training.

mamakaz

04-06-2009, 09:50 AM

Good Morning, x

thanks guys for the info, i find it hard coming into a discussion and not repeating whats already been posted, im no expert but there is a different feel about the sigs,

i have reseached quite a big family tree, and was wondering if anyone can link some things together for me as my knowledge on this subject is very limited, ok...

Paul James McCartney
Isle of Man
Okinawa Japan
the surname "Clague"

i know you guys are good at linking things together,

have a great day, kaz, x

sunsoflight

04-06-2009, 01:27 PM

Clague Surname Origin

(Origin Celtic) contraction of MacLiaigh = Son of the Leech [Irish and Manx Gaelic liagh, a leech, physician].

Good work.

The name is just backwards...James Paul McCartney ;)

mamakaz

04-06-2009, 04:48 PM

Clague Surname Origin

(Origin Celtic) contraction of MacLiaigh = Son of the Leech [Irish and Manx Gaelic liagh, a leech, physician].

Good work.

The name is just backwards...James Paul McCartney ;)

Thanks sons, x

oh yeh, wrong way round lol

well, yesterday i was researching as usuall, i always have notepad open and cpy n pst everything i find, i was looking at
Thomas Clague b 1791 Isle of Man, JPm's 3rd grt grndad,
now there are 3 possibles all born around the same time, (so to be sure i have to order birth certs) but you get a feeling for the right one, so 2 generations later i found this and cpd n pst into notes...

John Clague
Birth: 1756
O, Okinawa, Japan

Catherine Kermott
Birth: 1760
O, Okinawa, Japan

John Clagues parents were

Edward Clague
Birth: 1719
O, Okinawa, Japan

Mary McYbrea
Birth: 1725
O, Okinawa, Japan
Death: 28 Apr 1753
Lonan, Garff,Isle of Man???????? ok, this is exactly what i cpd n pst in notepad! WTF!(this is copied from entrys on Ancestry.com)

now, today i searched the people above and the entrys are diferent .... Born I O M (isle of man)

i know what i saw and i have the cpy n pst to prove to myself that im not going crazy!:D

so i googled above names and found an Ahnentafel Report for The Clague family from the Isle of Man, and some match but not from Okinawa!

so thats why i asked if anyone could link JPM, okinawa japan, surname clague.

the only thing i can think of is cockney rhyming slang

Okinawa Japan--------Isle of man lmfao:D
maybe someones having a joke with me?

oh well, back to the drawing board:eek:

sunsoflight

04-06-2009, 04:51 PM

The plot thickens...

:D

Once again, great work on the background researching. :cool:

linda28

05-06-2009, 02:02 AM

Hi.
I was just watching some youtube videos of Paul's death, and then I came across that interview with Heather Mills where she says she has received death threats from an underground organization that made her want to commit suicide. Seriously, that is very creepy. What organization could this be?
It seems like she had a lot of real fear - and Paul/Faul knew about this? Wow. It makes no sense. So I really wonder what secret she knows about that is "beyond belief" and how she discovered it. She seems like someone who digs to the core of the truth and would easily find out things that are not real.

I am not sure what to believe about the fake Paul, because there are so many different theories here - so the fake Paul would just happen to be an evil genius that loves Crowley as well? Not very likely.
I guess it makes more sense that the death thing was arranged to transform some energies *shrug* (as an astrologer I know Pluto is the planet of death and transformation to get to the next level) - When I look at that photo of Billy Sears I think that he truly resembles so much. Wish he didn't have glasses on there. Are there not any other pictures of him out there? Where does that guy come from? America? England?

Especially on page 1 here in this thread - that photo of Billy that switches to Paul/Faul is scary because tiny details fit 100%. For instance the beginning of his right eyelid has a circled shape to half of the eye. And on his left eye, the eyelashes closest to the ear seems to be very long and it looks exactly like Faul. The 1965 Paul does have a much bigger, masculine nose. His eyes are changing from small to big a lot, but maybe that could have something to do with that he is a Gemini? Gemini is the sign of the twin :) I have known some geminis and I have seen how they can change their appearance based on how they feel.

All those hidden messages in their music has to prove that these guys are into a lot of occult stuff. But why is that a bad thing? Creating music to help people feel better is not evil. I don't think they are satanists.
Their music just provokes dreams in people.

The Manson stuff about listening to the White Album - he is a nutcase and probably used a lot of drugs.

One interview with Paul/Faul that surprised me was when he was asked if he would end up like Elvis or Buddy Holly and he replied something like "no, that's as old as you can get" - "whatever it takes to get old - 50 years?"
Either he was stoned or he is a robot that doesn't know what aging means.

faulconandsnowjob

05-06-2009, 03:39 AM

What organization could this be?
I really think it's the Illuminati. I think they were behind Paul's death, the cover-up, the threats, the control of the media, etc. All the Crowley/Satanic stuff, too, is linked to the Illuminati, imo. Crowley was a British intell agent, & the Illuminati are Satanists. It all ties in together.

You've brought up some pretty interesting astrological points. Could you elaborate on what you mean by "transforming energies"?

dream9

05-06-2009, 04:52 AM

linda,

Do you have some astrological theories tied to Paul's death?

dream9

faulconandsnowjob

06-06-2009, 08:40 AM

Of course, he means Faul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZukDrhPU3s&feature=related

linda28

11-06-2009, 12:23 AM

linda,

Do you have some astrological theories tied to Paul's death?

dream9

Hi dream9.

I don't know. If Paul's astrological birth chart is accurate - I looked into his planetary transits on November 6th 1966 and so far came up with this:

Mars square Midheaven
Harsh feelings could flare up on the job or with authority figures. Cool it, and let this one pass.

Mars square Mercury
Excessive emotional energy could produce flare-ups, harsh words, and arguments. Your mind is very sharp (on hair trigger) during this time and can cause as much harm as good.

Moon square Mercury
Others may cut you off or make it difficult for you to express yourself today. You could find that you lack depth and feeling and the ability to move or communicate with others. Your ideas may not find the support you need.

Moon square Midheaven
A frustrating time both at home and at work. A tendency to make poor choices and decisions regarding both. Tensions are high, so perhaps just relaxing and waiting this one out might be in order.

So I am of course thinking of that theory that they had an argument and he left in anger. The moon in difficult aspect here makes his emotions run high and unable to react rationally. Second - the mars makes him "violent" or out of control. Accidents happens as well.

About Paul's new persona or transformation I came up with this:

Uranus conjunct Ascendant
A time that can mean great change for you personally, during which you break away from the past and try new and different ways of presenting yourself. Breakthroughs in personal relations, perhaps through unconventional behavior and appearance, may occur.

Uranus conjunct Pluto
A time when personal insight into your most secret and personal psychological self may be possible. Breaking with what went before, you may find new ways to transform yourself. Penetrating to the heart, opening up what is sealed.

Both Uranus and Pluto were on Paul's ascendant for many years and so I believe he went through sudden, unpredictable (Uranus) stuff, and Pluto there as well in conjunction should mean he went through a totally deep soul transformation on all levels. I am thinking it could mean he went through exactly what he did musically when he changed his music style and did something totally new and (Uranus) innovative thing. Uranus is a genius, the humanitarian who sees so far ahead of his time (the mystery, magic, meditation, India trips). And if this birth chart is accurate it means Paul's ascendant is Virgo. And Virgo's ruler is Mercury- the mind - so Uranus on his genius mind would be like a double genius LOL.

So I have done some more research into this double Paul thing, and I think more and more now that he was always the real Paul. Because he is a Gemini he can so much change his appearance, especially in the eyes. It has to do with his mental energy. Paul also has his natal Mercury in Gemini, so a lot of "double" energy there. The Faul or Paul is so witty and playful, I just don't think a double or fake person can ever fake that. It's obvious that the music truly is his, because he always grabs his guitar or the piano and starts playing and singing - followed by lots of witty comments and laughs, just like his music. If he acted different before 1966, it can have to do with that he was new and insecure to the whole new scene, but after a while got much more confident, etc.

But what I think is weird, I think Paul is a crazy perfectionist. (The Virgo ascendant) and it has made me think about some strange stuff considering the things that has happened in his life.
For instance him refusing to sign a prenup with Heather Mills - I guess it can have something to do with what he said, that he did it only out of "love", but I think what's more true coming from a Virgo's POV, is that if he did sign a prenup, it would be like saying you are going to marry based on feelings of non-trust. So I know Virgos can not stand anything "unpure" in their lives. (Vegetarian diet etc)
Which makes me question something else which is totally far out there, and I guess it's too spooky to say it out loud. Just think about that a perfectionist can not let a painting or mirror hang wrong, it will drive them insane. So, Paul's Leo moon can lead toward an intense desire to be the one and only King.

faulconandsnowjob

11-06-2009, 12:48 AM

That's interesting about the astrology, but the real Paul was gone by Sept 1966. Have you looked at his chart for Aug or Sept 1966?

Dream9, do you want to share what you've gotten from Paul's chart? I think your's is more accurate, personally.

It's just too far-fetched to believe that Paul suddenly changed his looks (physically difft characteristics), musical style & ability, personality, & taste in women at the end of 1966. IMO, the only logical explanation is that he was imposter-replaced.

dream9

11-06-2009, 01:13 AM

I actually had an analysis on Paul that I did a few years back on the PID MH forum but it got accidentally deleted.

What I look for are hard Pluto transits in death, among other things. Based on that, there were two transits going on from late August to early October 1966. One was Saturn opposing the Ascendant(I use the 2:05 pm birth time) and the other was Pluto squaring Mercury. I think he was killed right around September 11-12, 1966 and then his body was discovered on September 20, when the transiting Sun conjunct his Ascendant. This is a shortened version of what I wrote before. If you'd like more I can look at his chart in depth. So I am sure Linda will find similar things if she uses the September time frame as a date of death.

linda28

11-06-2009, 01:22 AM

That's interesting about the astrology, but the real Paul was gone by Sept 1966. Have you looked at his chart for Aug or Sept 1966?

Hi faulcon,

It says everywhere that he supposedly walked out on November 9th 1966. And that fits with the "Wednesday morning."

I haven't looked into his chart for August or September. But most of his planets were in almost the same position then, so no huge difference that could indicate death. (One can not predict death with astrology anyway.)

I just listened to an interview with John Lennon where he says that the PID was just a joke and if he truly died the whole world would know instantly. That's very true. It always happens that everyone hears about it right away, like it did with all other rock stars (John included). And if The Beatles covered it up or whatever - considering John's loud mouth, I doubt he could keep quiet about anything that morally wrong. John was a Libra with Aries ASC, so he always said the truth. If he was so working for the government, why would he protest against war for years when receiving death threats over and over from the government!?

About those who think The Beatles are satanists and worshiping Crowley - Crowley was not an evil satanist. He was a magician, and people who follow his teachings can never possess any "devilish" power that they inherited from him. Also, Satan = Saturn = the goat = Life and karma.
"Devil Satanism" is something that God-fearing people invented.

faulconandsnowjob

11-06-2009, 03:03 AM

Hi, Linda,

People think Paul was killed on Nov. 9 b/c of the clue on the Sgt. Pepper drum. It could just as easily have been Sept 11. Personally, I think he was killed at the end of August from the picture & video comparisons I've done.

http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/IBP/IBPX/HeDie.jpg
"1 ONE 9 HE DIE" - The date is 11/9/HE DIE.

I'm not an astrologer, but Dream9 is a master astrologer, & he does have a theory about Paul's death. I'll let him explain it.

I just listened to an interview with John Lennon where he says that the PID was just a joke and if he truly died the whole world would know instantly. That's very true.
A lot of people did figure out that Paul was killed. Obviously, people noticed that Paul wasn't the same - that's what started the "rumor" in the first place. Just b/c LIFE magazine trots out someone proclaiming to be Paul McCartney doesn't mean that it was in fact Paul.

About John, maybe he was going to reveal the truth & that's why he got capped. Who knows? But it's not the same Paul, whether John said it was a "joke" or not. And anyway, isn't a joke supposed to be funny?

I agree that the Beatles weren't satanists, but the Illuminati are.

faulconandsnowjob

11-06-2009, 06:54 PM

Paul
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/JPM_Montage.jpg

Faul
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Evolution_Bill_BeatlesRun.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

11-06-2009, 08:24 PM

This is kind of funny. It made me think of how Faul's hair parted opposite to how Paul's did.

... And so the new Jimmy Carter, the "double", is receiving great publicity over the fact that he parts his hair on the left; the old Carter, of
course, parted it on the right. So now anyone who looks at him
and thinks, "Carter sure looks different these days", will also
think, "I guess it's the hair that does it." ...

Dr. Peter David Beter - Audio Letter No. 45.
http://www.peterdavidbeter.com/docs/all/dbal45.html

The Hair Parting
From since he was born and through his early years and into Beatle life Paul's hairparting has always been on the left side (your right) of his head. Even when he had his hair natural and floppy the natural parting can still be seen on the same side of his head. This is shown in the following photos.

http://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hair1.gifhttp://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hair5.gifhttp://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hair7.gifhttp://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hair10.gifhttp://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hair6.gif
[more photos at link]

Now, it could be said that these are mirrored shots, but this can easily be dismissed because this is just a small number of photos which show his hair parting to be on his left hand side. Just about every photo of Paul taken before the end of 1966, including candid, show him to have the hair parting on that side of his head. However, in 1967, something quite interesting happened...

http://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hairb3.gifhttp://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hairb4.gifhttp://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hairb9.gifhttp://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hairb12.gifhttp://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/images/other/hairb14.gif
[more photos at link]

His hair parting has suddenly jumped to the other side of his head!! Again, it could be argued that these photos have been mirrored, but like before this is just a small selection of countless photos where his hair parting has suddenly jumped from one side to the other. In just about every post 1967 photo of Paul (including candid) his hair parting is on the other side of his head. My mother is a qualified, professional hair stylist and basically she's told me that it is impossible for the parting in your hair to suddenly jump over like that. The hair parting is determined by how your hair grows out from your head and thus is impossible for it to just decide to jump over like this.

http://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/other.html

toty1994

12-06-2009, 02:57 PM

Hands - the lines look the same to me, most obviously the left palm in these comparisons. Presumably this will be disputed shortly - if so I'll try to find an even clearer comparison when I have the time.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/670056385ed0.jpg
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/242aaaf7549f.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/truecolors112/part%202/vantola64.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/truecolors112/part%202/Copyofimg223.jpg

Also...

http://img83.exs.cx/img83/5797/64-right-hand.jpghttp://img83.exs.cx/img83/3533/67-right-hand.jpg
Left pic 1964, right 1967. Not the same hands?

bulletproofheart

12-06-2009, 05:47 PM

toty1994

12-06-2009, 06:15 PM

Different hands,how can anyone not see that?
Ok, well that's cleared that up then.

socrates

12-06-2009, 08:29 PM

Left pic 1964, right 1967. Not the same hands?

Course they are. Anybody who says these aren't the same hand is deluding themselves. Paul has a distinct turn in the last segment of his left index finger, which can be seen in both the following photos.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2093/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzl.jpg

You can see it even better by looking at the left hand in this photo. Compare the last segment of his right index finger with the last segment of his left index finger.

http://www.newsmontserrat.com/files.php?file=Paul_McCartney__s_Hands_111198523.j pg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3595/screenhunter511.jpg

The PIDers can spout off all they want. Fact is, it's the same hand because it belongs to the same man. :rolleyes:

faulconandsnowjob

12-06-2009, 09:02 PM

Different hands, different guy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/JPM/paul_hands2.jpghttp://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2007/05/21/mccartney460.jpg

he PIDers can spout off all they want.
"Reality is always hard to accept whenever it is unpleasant. Our minds play tricks and tell us it just cannot be. We don't want to believe our own eyes and ears. Instead of accepting the truth as it is when it disturbs us, we try to deny its existence."
~ Dr. P. Beter

socrates

12-06-2009, 09:44 PM

Different hands, different guy.

Keep taking the medicine. :rolleyes:

People experiencing the Capgras delusion claim that others, usually those quite close emotionally, have been replaced by near-identical impostors.

Capgras delusion is classed as a delusional misidentification syndrome, a class of delusional beliefs that involves the misidentification of people, places or objects. Although Capgras is commonly called a syndrome, it may occur as part of, or alongside various other disorders and conditions, such as schizophrenia and neurological illness.

hunter77

12-06-2009, 11:24 PM

Different hands, different guy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/JPM/paul_hands2.jpghttp://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2007/05/21/mccartney460.jpg

"Reality is always hard to accept whenever it is unpleasant. Our minds play tricks and tell us it just cannot be. We don't want to believe our own eyes and ears. Instead of accepting the truth as it is when it disturbs us, we try to deny its existence."
~ Dr. P. Beter

or just one 40 years older:rolleyes: and socrates get out of there mate youve made solid good points and to no avail, theres no point knocking ect. you'll be stuck in here for eternity mate:eek::D

socrates

13-06-2009, 12:06 AM

or just one 40 years older:rolleyes: and socrates get out of there mate youve made solid good points and to no avail,

LOL. My points are not aimed at convincing the PIDers - they live in their own dream world and are beyond the boundries of reality and reason.

theres no point knocking ect. you'll be stuck in here for eternity mate:eek::D

LOL - fate worse than death. :D But yeah, this thread is way past it's sell by date now. The PIDers have been reduced to jabbering about numerology, genealogy and astrology now for 'evidence' that Paul is dead! WTF?! :eek:

I'm taking a back seat from this PID bunkum. Only posted today cos toty made a good point about the hands being the same.

toty1994

13-06-2009, 09:24 AM

Course they are. Anybody who says these aren't the same hand is deluding themselves. Paul has a distinct turn in the last segment of his left index finger, which can be seen in both the following photos.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2093/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzl.jpg

Ah, thanks for that - they're much clearer than the pics I found.

this thread is way past it's sell by date now
You're right there. My interest is starting to wane here, although the approach of recent contributor mamakaz was refreshing. There's a thread on 'Above Top Secret' which has recently gone the same way as this one for similar reasons...http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread195888/pg1

nikki_miaow

13-06-2009, 12:01 PM

At the risk of sounding offensive to the OP, am I correct in thinking this thread is a joke?

toty1994

13-06-2009, 12:49 PM

At the risk of sounding offensive to the OP, am I correct in thinking this thread is a joke?
No. I for one find this ct amusing yet fascinating, others will tell you it is very serious indeed.

ar20

13-06-2009, 02:15 PM

Okay, you're seriously beyond help.

A crimp in the index finger is proof they are the same hand?

http://www.students.stedwards.edu/acadena/handprint1133.jpg

http://www.matthaworth.co.uk/img/a-hand.png

You can't say shit about hands because we all have pretty much the same lines in slightly different directions, the only difference would be the fatness, or the length of them, and this is proportional to body.

They have similar hands (and your pictures don't really show much other than that you can't tell two different looking hands apart), the only way to tell them apart would be fingerprints and ad nauseum, we've posted an example of when Faul was caught out with not having the same prints as he previously did.

Why don't you try puting their bare feet side by side as well? Oh that's right, you "debunked" the shoe size thing, didn't you?

Or why don't you discuss the clear height difference without referring to lamp posts to prove a point. :rolleyes:

This thread isn't a joke. It's being made to look like a joke by their idiotic responses to legitimate inquiry.

ar20

13-06-2009, 02:19 PM

Keep taking the medicine. :rolleyes:

This is what you've stooped to? You don't show up in this topic after running out of lamp-posts and insults, every one who see's something different to you is now schizophrenic? :rolleyes:

Thanks again! You do the work for me, really.

faulconandsnowjob

14-06-2009, 05:20 AM

At the risk of sounding offensive to the OP, am I correct in thinking this thread is a joke?

If you think it's a "joke" that someone was murdered & replaced, so that his double can use his celebrity to manipulate you to go along w/ the Illuminati's agenda. Personally, I don't see the punch line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlr0qf0eTHU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKiYyHdmDJU&feature=related

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/PF.jpg

humito

14-06-2009, 05:47 PM

WHAT ILLUMINATI AGENDA HAS PAUL MC CARTNEY BEEN BRINGING TO FRUITION SINCE THE BEATLES THEN?

I THINK THE SATANIC METAL BANDS MIGHT BE MORE WORTHY OF CONCERN.........WHAT IS SO EVIL ABOUT PAULS SONGS AND AND WHICH ONES ARE PROMOTING THE ILLUMINATI ?

AS USUAL UTTER RUBBISH ON THIS THREAD.

OH AND SEEING AS THOUGH IM HERE FAULCON ........WHERE ARE THE SURGERY SCAR PICTURES YOU PROMISED?

:rolleyes:

halliburton crusher

14-06-2009, 06:31 PM

1966 - brown eyes, round face, hair parted all the way over to left side

1967 - green eyes, oval face, hair parted middle-right side

definitely two different guys - yet another scam on the people of the world

faulconandsnowjob

14-06-2009, 06:48 PM

Halliburton crusher, you are so right. It is a scam.

WHAT ILLUMINATI AGENDA HAS PAUL MC CARTNEY BEEN BRINGING TO FRUITION SINCE THE BEATLES THEN?
I think I've already addressed what Illuminati agenda Faul mght have been furthering: the LSD/drug agenda. You should look into MKULTRA. You should also watch "How The Media Controls Your Mind (Alan Watt)," which I posted earlier. Ultimately, it's all about control.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/Paul64-FauIOobuJoobu.jpg

deesee

14-06-2009, 06:55 PM

Maybe I can completely change my nose within a year, like Faul.

toty1994

14-06-2009, 11:32 PM

This thread isn't a joke. It's being made to look like a joke by their idiotic responses to legitimate inquiry.
No, I'm afraid it's a joke because of the 'research' presented, it simply doesn't stand up no matter how you cut it. The responses are not 'idiotic', they are mostly reasonable and logically presented. More often than not these responses are ignored as if no-one will notice! That in itself is comical, and what other conclusion are readers expected to draw other than faulcon et al simply have no answer?

I've come across quite a few PiD threads on different conspiracy sites and the overwhelming consensus is always the same: it's still regarded as a joke ct, despite the sincerity of the Pid believers and the evidence they think they are presenting. The same gaping holes are pointed out, the same logical explanations put forward. Just as on here, they tend to be ignored (eg the thread on ATS). What's the point?

reggievandam

15-06-2009, 12:16 AM

Maybe I can completely change my nose within a year, like Faul.

Careful! You might end up looking like a Walrus! LOL!!! :D

http://digilander.libero.it/p_truth/the_truth/faul_having_underskin_filler_problem_on_revolution _video.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd159/chickenvindaloo/faul4MMT.jpg

:)

faulconandsnowjob

15-06-2009, 01:05 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rnQ_0WjobY&feature=channel_page

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/Paul64FaulRev.jpg

toty1994

15-06-2009, 01:49 AM

^^
Iaap's most blatant excerise in manipulation yet, so obvious it's almost painful. Looks like he's almost ready for the big reveal.:D

ar20

16-06-2009, 12:54 PM

No, I'm afraid it's a joke because of the 'research' presented, it simply doesn't stand up no matter how you cut it. The responses are not 'idiotic', they are mostly reasonable and logically presented. More often than not these responses are ignored as if no-one will notice! That in itself is comical, and what other conclusion are readers expected to draw other than faulcon et al simply have no answer?

I've come across quite a few PiD threads on different conspiracy sites and the overwhelming consensus is always the same: it's still regarded as a joke ct, despite the sincerity of the Pid believers and the evidence they think they are presenting. The same gaping holes are pointed out, the same logical explanations put forward. Just as on here, they tend to be ignored (eg the thread on ATS). What's the point?

Still a joke, really? Besides you, hey_dude and Socrates and a few others this post remains serious, I've been receiving PM's saying people are seeing two different people as well and that our "evidence" is well... self-explanatory.

I'm sorry you can't see it, and I'm sorry you go off on on one because other people do.

Oh, and about Faul helping the illuminati agenda....

http://www.infowars.com/paul-mccartney-calls-for-meat-free-day-to-cut-cow-gas/

He's also an OBAAAAHHHHHHHHHMAAAA supporter.

Probably sleeps with Geldof and Bono from time to time to, bunch of lapdogs.

ar20

16-06-2009, 12:56 PM

You also failed to address the half/half comparisons.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9963/imposter3.jpg

I even showed that it doesn't matter when the picture was taken, if you take two Brad Pitt's from two times and side by side them, their face matches up.

I also took Socrates "Lennon in ten years" comparison and did this.

Infact, I think you did address it. You made a comp and it was clearly not the same guy and you thought it was. It would explain why I got a couple of PM's saying people could see it.

You're in for a shock when this comes out my friend.

ar20

16-06-2009, 01:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo0dLo7Y9O8&feature=related

And quit saying Phoney's debunked and all this nonsense rubbish.

Look at that interview at the start. Paul's clearly flustered again when she brings up everyone knows about you.

And the one Faulcon posted, the interview with Stern. The guy can't get ANYTHING about his past right. And he just doesn't sound like a Liverpudlian Paul McCartney (see previous interview comparisons in the two threads).

The best one he says is "When I joined the Beatles".

Oh really Faul, what about the Quarrymen?

reggievandam

16-06-2009, 03:31 PM

Paul McCartney Calls for Meat-Free Day to Cut Cow Gas

Alex Morales
Bloomberg
June 15, 2009

Paul McCartney, the former Beatle and vegetarian pop star, asked fans to go meatless on Mondays to help slow global warming by reducing the amount of gaseous emissions from farm animals.

Cows, pigs and sheep bred for human consumption discharge millions of tons of methane, a more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Livestock accounts for about 18 percent of greenhouse gases, more than all the world’s cars, the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization has said.

“If you want to fight climate change, it’s not only about electricity and coal-fired power plants: Agriculture is a huge contributor too and meat consumption is a big problem,” Jan van Aken, a biologist and agriculture campaigner for the Greenpeace environmental group, said today in a telephone interview from Hamburg. It’s “mainly burps” and animal flatulence, he said.

Supported in his cause by celebrity chefs and Hollywood actors, McCartney said in a statement today that skipping meat a day a week is a “meaningful” change everyone can make to their lifestyles to help the environment. Less consumption may lead to fewer animals reared, and so emissions would fall.

http://www.infowars.com/paul-mccartney-calls-for-meat-free-day-to-cut-cow-gas/

http://stylefrizz.com/img/paul-mccartney-peta-advertising-campaign.jpg

(Sigh...still towing the company line, eh, Faul???)

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

faulconandsnowjob

16-06-2009, 07:59 PM

That's actually one thing I like about Faul - that he's vegetarian (or claims to be).

toty1994

16-06-2009, 11:26 PM

Still a joke, really? Besides you, hey_dude and Socrates and a few others this post remains serious, I've been receiving PM's saying people are seeing two different people as well and that our "evidence" is well... self-explanatory.

I'm sorry you can't see it, and I'm sorry you go off on on one because other people do.

Oh, and about Faul helping the illuminati agenda....

http://www.infowars.com/paul-mccartney-calls-for-meat-free-day-to-cut-cow-gas/

He's also an OBAAAAHHHHHHHHHMAAAA supporter.

Probably sleeps with Geldof and Bono from time to time to, bunch of lapdogs.
Yes really, the concensus is indeed that it is still a joke. Look on any conspiracy forum with a Pid thread (excluding NIR & TKIN obviously). Believe it or not, I think this is label is a little unfair. I'm hardly 'going off on one', I'm 90% amused and 10% baffled by the PiD mindset - that's it, really. As I said earlier my interest is waning so you'll probably have one less 'PiA-er' to get irritated by soon.

'Faul' is an OBAAAAHHHHHHHHHHMAAAA supporter. So? You don't think Paul 'would have been'?

And quit saying Phoney's debunked and all this nonsense rubbish.
The person/persons behind iaap will soon confirm their hoax.;)

faulconandsnowjob

17-06-2009, 12:19 AM

The hoax is that Faul is Paul. You fell for it - lol. :p

ar20

17-06-2009, 02:59 PM

Yes really, the concensus is indeed that it is still a joke. Look on any conspiracy forum with a Pid thread (excluding NIR & TKIN obviously). Believe it or not, I think this is label is a little unfair. I'm hardly 'going off on one', I'm 90% amused and 10% baffled by the PiD mindset - that's it, really. As I said earlier my interest is waning so you'll probably have one less 'PiA-er' to get irritated by soon.

'Faul' is an OBAAAAHHHHHHHHHHMAAAA supporter. So? You don't think Paul 'would have been'?

The person/persons behind iaap will soon confirm their hoax.;)

That's like a wikipedia response.

It's considered a joke because originally, I thought the same -- I didn't realise that it continued past 69's first hoax.

I first read about it and laughed it off "lol, few coincidences on the covers and stuff".

Wasn't till I looked right into it that it is indeed 2 different Pauls.

All I can say is, I don't know anything other than the fact I'm seeing 2 different people, and one has emulated the other to a tee.

I'm not basing it on nothing dude. What boggles my mind is how you can say the two of them look the same when they clearly have differences, even in height, even in mannerisms, and even in their actions.

Or the fact that people refuse to believe that a celeb could be a doppelganger when you happen to be posting on a board that harbours beliefs of shape-shifting lizard reptiles holding positions of power over Planet Earth. :eek:

Or how about the belief that god sent his only son down here to be crucified and resurrected? Or santa claus, and the tooth fairy?

Mind at one point the earth was flat? Where you religious enough to believe 10 commandments? People are, and people do.

People have strange beliefs that shouldn't come as a shock to you. But I wish to point out that the people going on about this theory do it because it isn't 1969 any more, we have access to a great deal of photos, interviews and other media which can be played back and edited (side by sides), to really look at this. We have communities of like minded people. And we can actually do this anonymously without ridicule outside, this is why people can now discuss this in this setting. It's good hearted debate.

By that I mean, we actually have time to do our own thinking rather than being told everything is "A-OK". This is overall the point of this board I gather, and a wink to the truth movement in general.

To each in their own, I can't convince you to see what you refuse to entertain. There are however, people messaging me and Faulcon who lurk who are agreeing with us that they see something is up as well, for the sake of privacy and lack of permission I don't want to post the messages as they don't post here anyway and are just lurking over the posts.

I'm not as much into it as the others in that I don't know a great deal of back history, I only looked more into this 3 months ago (I was like you and Socrates, I'd have said it was a hoax and to get over it and that no way where it possible, now I understand that I've been ignorant and should be more tolerant and aware to research it on my own accord).

What I can tell you from previous research into psychology and countless hours spent researching the Illuminati and New World Order that the possibility of the real James Paul McCartney being replaced is evident and also possible, and by my perspective -- has been done.

What you and others don't address as I've constantly posted with no avail.

You can't explain to me why a great deal of Beatles songs reversed contain allusions to Paul McCartney being dead, or killed or whatever.
You didn't even answer why when backmasked, there isn't something like

"Ringo had toast"
"John is a walrus"
"George keeps staring at me"

It's always:

"Paul is bloody"
"Paul is dead, miss him, miss him"
"Turn me on, dead man"
"I buried Paul"
"Paul we used to, sing with him"
"Paul..... Died"

Even if you don't buy the backmasking, can we not agree that mentioning death backwards (turn me on, dead man) has no real reason to be there? What is the point of it?

If you say John Lennon said it as a joke, then why does he say "All our messages are subliminal." -- why is George Martin on tape showing an interviewer what certain sounds sound like backwards?

Why does Aliester Crowley specifically address backwards text and messages as a powerful tool ? Why is the start of I am the Walrus a Crowely Reference, Crowley is also on the SGT Peppers Cover.

Why the mirror across SGT PEPPERS creates (9/11 - He ^ DIE)? Why no shoes on abbey road? Why 3 candles on Very Together? Why the red background on Let It Be? Why does Faul say "when I joined the Beatles" instead of the Quarrymen. Why does he constantly in interviews stick to basic lines everybody knows, "rewriting history"?

TOO MANY COINCIDENCES for there not to be something, they clearly know what they're doing -- OCCULT -> Hidden in Plain View.

I'm sorry if this skips you, but it's a fact -- the illuminati do this almost daily anyway, so why wouldn't the Beatles if they had been co-opted do the same?

What's my proof for Paul being dead... I just gave you small examples, there's plenty more if you're willing to dig deeper and stop brushing it off.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9963/imposter3.jpg

As usual this is skipped over and not addressed either, it's like selective reading -- are you going to turn round to this and say "Poor Photoshop, doesn't prove a thing :rolleyes:"

...fair enough, make your own? I did a Brad Pitt one and a Kevin Spacey one, they match.

Get a front view Paul/Faul with no tash or beard and they just don't match, sorry. Fireman tried one and it was actually laughable, because it's like every PiA retort I've seen. They rotate the shapes to match the profile for the fade, yes, guess what... you can do that with anyone, you see the game on profile sites with the "Your face into a Celebrities?" It only does that because you've rotated the eyes to... FIT EYES.

You shouldn't need to tilt pictures of the supposed "same guy" to make him the "same guy"... Come on now, shouldn't he look the same from any angle? :rolleyes:

This is where you get caught out, and I actually thank you for doing it. As I've said, you give credence to our case.

ar20

17-06-2009, 03:17 PM

Faulcon help me with the name here, what's the video that shows all the weird
Traffic Lights and Decapitated "Magical Mystery Boy" and the reptile handshake.

There's another point, what the hell did this have to do with a day in the life? And what exactly did it have to do with the Beatles?

Faulcon if you have the link it'd be greatly appreciated, it crowns off my point above.

Mind the lyrics ?

I read the news today oh, boy
About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well, i just had to laugh
I saw the photograph
He blew his mind out in a car
He didn't notice that the lights had changed
A crowd of people stood and stared
They'd seen his face before
Nobody was really sure if he was from the house of lords

toty1994

17-06-2009, 07:30 PM

That's like a wikipedia response.

It's considered a joke because originally, I thought the same -- I didn't realise that it continued past 69's first hoax.

I first read about it and laughed it off "lol, few coincidences on the covers and stuff".

Wasn't till I looked right into it that it is indeed 2 different Pauls.

It's the other way round for me. I first read about PiD around 20 years ago. Back then I thought the evidence and clues were quite persuasive. Not many people bothered trying to debunk it all those years ago - few seemed to take it seriously. In the last few years, however, I've rediscovered this ct via the internet. Unlike yourself I think the 'debunkers' there are now (there still arn't that many who even bother) have pretty much destroyed it once and for all. My interest in PiD these days is mainly a fascination for those who still believe it anyway, rather than the conspiracy itself.

What you and others don't address as I've constantly posted with no avail.
I don't understand why you can't see it's the other way round! Just about everything you point out has been addressed over these 100's of pages ad nauseum. Not you, but certainly most other PiD believers on this thread either ignore or handwave responses away only to repeat the same claims again. That's why the thread just seems to be on a continual loop.

..people refuse to believe that a celeb could be a doppelganger when you happen to be posting on a board that harbours beliefs of shape-shifting lizard reptiles holding positions of power over Planet Earth
It's another point that's been made before but there are lots of people on these forums that think the reptilian stuff is very silly indeed. Me included.

I wish to point out that the people going on about this theory do it because it isn't 1969 any more, we have access to a great deal of photos, interviews and other media which can be played back and edited (side by sides), to really look at this.
...which is why I do not believe it in 2009, but thought it might be true in 1989. See - it can work the other way round too.

People have strange beliefs that shouldn't come as a shock to you.
Actually, I think PiD is pretty tame compared to some of the threads on here!

You can't explain to me why a great deal of Beatles songs reversed contain allusions to Paul McCartney being dead, or killed or whatever.
You didn't even answer why when backmasked, there isn't something like

"Ringo had toast"
"John is a walrus"
"George keeps staring at me"

It's always:

"Paul is bloody"
"Paul is dead, miss him, miss him"
"Turn me on, dead man"
"I buried Paul"
"Paul we used to, sing with him"
"Paul..... Died"
...because no-one, as far as I know, has ever bothered listening out for back-masked references to John, George or Ringo. Why would they?

you give credence to our case
Well, it's nice to be appreciated sometimes.:D

faulconandsnowjob

17-06-2009, 08:03 PM

Ar20, excellent post above. I really can't understand why this PID thing is so hard for people to grasp. The Illuminati kill people & replace them w/ their own stooges. What is so difficult to comprehend about that?

Faulcon help me with the name here, what's the video that shows all the weird Traffic Lights and Decapitated "Magical Mystery Boy" and the reptile handshake.

Are you talking about "Cream of the Beatles?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAkl2oxsL0

paul is dead - nothing is real 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAkl2oxsL0

There's also a creepy decapitated body in "Blue Jay Way," which also says "Paul is bloody."

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/show-case/mmtbody.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0jr6TNwRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0jr6TNwRs

Here is the cover for "Very Together" that ar20 mentioned:

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/show-case/verytogether.jpg

Here's some weird imagery from "Free as a Bird":

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/FreeAsaBird.gif

Let It Be cover w/ the red background behind Faul. Notice how all the pictures have been compressed:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/BohLetItBeUNDOCTOREDTRUE2.jpg

Sgt Pepper drum:

http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/IBP/IBPX/HeDie.jpg

ar20

17-06-2009, 09:47 PM

It's the other way round for me. I first read about PiD around 20 years ago. Back then I thought the evidence and clues were quite persuasive. Not many people bothered trying to debunk it all those years ago - few seemed to take it seriously. In the last few years, however, I've rediscovered this ct via the internet. Unlike yourself I think the 'debunkers' there are now (there still arn't that many who even bother) have pretty much destroyed it once and for all. My interest in PiD these days is mainly a fascination for those who still believe it anyway, rather than the conspiracy itself.

I don't understand why you can't see it's the other way round! Just about everything you point out has been addressed over these 100's of pages ad nauseum. Not you, but certainly most other PiD believers on this thread either ignore or handwave responses away only to repeat the same claims again. That's why the thread just seems to be on a continual loop.

It's another point that's been made before but there are lots of people on these forums that think the reptilian stuff is very silly indeed. Me included.

...which is why I do not believe it in 2009, but thought it might be true in 1989. See - it can work the other way round too.

Actually, I think PiD is pretty tame compared to some of the threads on here!

...because no-one, as far as I know, has ever bothered listening out for back-masked references to John, George or Ringo. Why would they?

Well, it's nice to be appreciated sometimes.:D

I don't see one inkling of it being destroyed or debunked quite the opposite.

And nice cop-out... no one is listening for John, George or Ringo...

You realise you have to backmask a song and listen all the way through right? The only audible parts are about Paul and Death.

I also see your case the other way round and know its wrong just by using PiA evidence like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNOsFQa_Ns

This is just pathetic and laughable and again, gives credence to it but you'll never admit it, will you?

They post what they THINK they are seeing. I honestly am in sheer shock at fades and videos like that, people honestly can't tell? Is this some kind of queer joke? :eek:

indianinthemachine

17-06-2009, 09:48 PM

WAS PAUL MCCARTNEY REPLACED IN 1966? *WORLD UPDATE

http://www.indianinthemachine.com/paul29.jpg

Dear world,
For decades people have said "Paul is dead" referring to Paul McCartney of the Beatles, a Tavistock Institute band. It is alleged that Paul McCartney died in an auto accident in 1966 which was reported by the media...at least a few, but the reality is that he was probably murdered. After 1966 it has been noted that Paul had changed, including his height, face, ears, voice, and mannerisms.

WAS PAUL MCCARTNEY REPLACED IN 1966? *WORLD UPDATE
http://www.indianinthemachine.com/waspaulmccartneyreplaced.html

ar20

17-06-2009, 09:51 PM

ar20

17-06-2009, 09:56 PM

Are you talking about "Cream of the Beatles?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAkl2oxsL0

paul is dead - nothing is real 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAkl2oxsL0

PIA'ers, this is your challenge. EXPLAIN why this video was released from APPLE with that song? EXPLAIN the imagery, otherwise PID is very much alive and kicking.

Also go ahead and explain the symbolism in Blue Jay Way.

And before wriggling off into the night, explain all the backmasking.

Otherwise, quit the mundane responses and start challenging yourselves.

Thanks Faulcon.

Almost forgot...

Anyone even explained the BLACK CORONATION on FAUL?

Faul's explanation was...

"there wasn't any red ones left so I just took a black one"

You realize how rare these are to just have lying around...

faulconandsnowjob

17-06-2009, 10:15 PM

Indianinthemachine, that is a very excellent article on PID. Thanks! I'm also glad to see that you wrote something about Jimmy Carter. I have a thread on him here:

http://doppels.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=research&action=display&thread=91

indianinthemachine

18-06-2009, 12:22 AM

Thank you everybody for this thread and even this David Icke forum, so much goodness here....I spent two days going through the "Paul McCartney is dead" forum, and was shocked, amused and enlightened (special thanks to faulconandsnowjob here), if you have any photos/links on the cloning of world leaders, kindly send them to me, I'm developing a page on it.

My email:
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faulconandsnowjob

18-06-2009, 07:22 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/VintagePaul-Faul67Comp.jpg

toty1994

18-06-2009, 09:00 PM

PIA'ers, this is your challenge. EXPLAIN why this video was released from APPLE with that song? EXPLAIN the imagery, otherwise PID is very much alive and kicking.

Also go ahead and explain the symbolism in Blue Jay Way.

And before wriggling off into the night, explain all the backmasking.

Otherwise, quit the mundane responses and start challenging yourselves.

Almost forgot...

Anyone even explained the BLACK CORONATION on FAUL?

Faul's explanation was...

"there wasn't any red ones left so I just took a black one"

You realize how rare these are to just have lying around...

Ok, calm down! One thing at a time.:)

Yes, that video is 'Cream of the Beatles' or to give it it's full title - 'Braverman's Condensed Cream of Beatles'. Charles Braverman's film was a short history of the Beatles done in a rapid collage style, using old clips and stop-frame animation. It was fairly obscure although it was apparently aired a few times on national tv ('Goodnight America'). Braverman won an Oscar for it. Now, there is indeed an obvious PiD sequence, but that shouldn't come as such a shock, it is part of the story. Also PiD would've still been fresh in peoples' minds back in 1973 when the film was made.

By the way, it had nothing to do with Apple. There is a cheeky animated sequence at the beginning which may account for the assumption.

Here's the original...

http://www.geocities.com/randwolf2/videos/v375.html

'Braverman's Condensed Cream of Beatles' clearly influenced Iamaphoney massively. Indeed, iaap has used the images below from the film. Both Braverman and iaap employed these images to illustrate PiD, not prove it. The difference is that iaap wants you to think he's trying to prove it (imo).

Image from COB PiD sequence and used by iaap
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rV95R6_go5s/SBQRnV1BeqI/AAAAAAAAAW8/BbQhoADh1jw/s320/poolbravechecker.jpg

The original
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rV95R6_go5s/SBQSnF1BerI/AAAAAAAAAXE/BnBXJ1ddjnQ/s320/paulpoolalive.jpg

COB/iaap
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rV95R6_go5s/SBQS6V1BesI/AAAAAAAAAXM/kwWDhEP8n-k/s320/wwIIbrave.jpg

Original - a WW2 photo.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rV95R6_go5s/SBQUC11BetI/AAAAAAAAAXU/y5ZOC_v-Qrg/s320/paulth8.jpg

I got most of the above from the iamaphoney blog, btw.

One last point about iaap. One of his latest vids contains some of the most blatant out of context clip editing he's ever done. It's getting increasingly obvious, almost like he's trying to tell us something.;)

For example, look out for the bits with Julian Lennon and the context implied by iaap...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rnQ_0WjobY&feature=channel_page

Then watch the original interview...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F815coz2A3s

toty1994

18-06-2009, 09:21 PM

^^ Oops, those vids have disappeared. Try again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rnQ_0WjobY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F815coz2A3s

faulconandsnowjob

18-06-2009, 10:19 PM

more photo tampering

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Alive.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/JPM_BILLY_WARP.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

19-06-2009, 01:04 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PaulBill.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

19-06-2009, 01:26 AM

Today would have been Paul's 67th birthday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otUdJgDLumg

dream9

19-06-2009, 05:30 AM

That's a great video from the Anthology.

ar20

19-06-2009, 01:41 PM

Ok, calm down! One thing at a time.:)

Yes, that video is 'Cream of the Beatles' or to give it it's full title - 'Braverman's Condensed Cream of Beatles'. Charles Braverman's film was a short history of the Beatles done in a rapid collage style, using old clips and stop-frame animation. It was fairly obscure although it was apparently aired a few times on national tv ('Goodnight America'). Braverman won an Oscar for it. Now, there is indeed an obvious PiD sequence, but that shouldn't come as such a shock, it is part of the story. Also PiD would've still been fresh in peoples' minds back in 1973 when the film was made.

By the way, it had nothing to do with Apple. There is a cheeky animated sequence at the beginning which may account for the assumption.

Here's the original...

http://www.geocities.com/randwolf2/videos/v375.html

'Braverman's Condensed Cream of Beatles' clearly influenced Iamaphoney massively. Indeed, iaap has used the images below from the film. Both Braverman and iaap employed these images to illustrate PiD, not prove it. The difference is that iaap wants you to think he's trying to prove it (imo).

Image from COB PiD sequence and used by iaap
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rV95R6_go5s/SBQRnV1BeqI/AAAAAAAAAW8/BbQhoADh1jw/s320/poolbravechecker.jpg

The original
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rV95R6_go5s/SBQSnF1BerI/AAAAAAAAAXE/BnBXJ1ddjnQ/s320/paulpoolalive.jpg

COB/iaap
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rV95R6_go5s/SBQS6V1BesI/AAAAAAAAAXM/kwWDhEP8n-k/s320/wwIIbrave.jpg

Original - a WW2 photo.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rV95R6_go5s/SBQUC11BetI/AAAAAAAAAXU/y5ZOC_v-Qrg/s320/paulth8.jpg

I got most of the above from the iamaphoney blog, btw.

One last point about iaap. One of his latest vids contains some of the most blatant out of context clip editing he's ever done. It's getting increasingly obvious, almost like he's trying to tell us something.;)

For example, look out for the bits with Julian Lennon and the context implied by iaap...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rnQ_0WjobY&feature=channel_page

Then watch the original interview...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F815coz2A3s

I know all of that. What I meant was how it all came together, surely the "sick joke" theory ran it's course by then.

I agree with you on IAAP selective editing, I've seen him do John Lennon a few times completely out of context.

HOWEVER... I've yet to see a Faul interview that's been torn up to give the impression. I think he uses other Beatles to get the point across.

toty1994

19-06-2009, 05:32 PM

I know all of that. What I meant was how it all came together, surely the "sick joke" theory ran it's course by then.

I agree with you on IAAP selective editing, I've seen him do John Lennon a few times completely out of context.

HOWEVER... I've yet to see a Faul interview that's been torn up to give the impression. I think he uses other Beatles to get the point across.

You want to know 'how it all came together'? Well, I don't know that obviously; there's not much info about Braverman so one can only speculate on the artistic decisions made during the movie-making process. In any case, even if you knew 'how it all came together' what bearing would it have on your belief in PiD? I'm not sure what you're getting at. Also, I still don't understand what is so surprising about the film having a PiD sequence. By '73 it was an established part of Beatles folklore and giving a nod to it was entirely in-keeping with the film's approach imo.

'..I've yet to see a Faul interview that's been torn up..' Really? Well I have. He does it all the time. Here's good example...

iaap's version of the Red Square interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3J1K-RsezY
McCartney is apparently asked "are you a natural or a double" to which he replies "it's a secret, I can't tell you". What he was actually asked about was what he had said to President Putin earlier. "Are you a natural or a double" was dubbed in by iaap. He's a classic hoaxer.

Here's a babelfish translation of the event.
http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beatles.ru%2Fspecial%2Fmoscow %2Farticle.asp%3Farticle_id%3D252&lp=ru_en

toty1994

19-06-2009, 06:34 PM

^^ Why do vids keep disappearing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3J1K-RsezY

ar20

19-06-2009, 08:16 PM

You want to know 'how it all came together'? Well, I don't know that obviously; there's not much info about Braverman so one can only speculate on the artistic decisions made during the movie-making process. In any case, even if you knew 'how it all came together' what bearing would it have on your belief in PiD? I'm not sure what you're getting at. Also, I still don't understand what is so surprising about the film having a PiD sequence. By '73 it was an established part of Beatles folklore and giving a nod to it was entirely in-keeping with the film's approach imo.

'..I've yet to see a Faul interview that's been torn up..' Really? Well I have. He does it all the time. Here's good example...

iaap's version of the Red Square interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3J1K-RsezY
McCartney is apparently asked "are you a natural or a double" to which he replies "it's a secret, I can't tell you". What he was actually asked about was what he had said to President Putin earlier. "Are you a natural or a double" was dubbed in by iaap. He's a classic hoaxer.

Here's a babelfish translation of the event.
http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beatles.ru%2Fspecial%2Fmoscow %2Farticle.asp%3Farticle_id%3D252&lp=ru_en

Well you're just as selective as to what you present as well.

You don't even mention the reptile handshake, the headless corpse of magical mystery boy (both in Blue Jay Way and this), the reptile behind the eye, or the guy who looks like Faul crying. It's like all the backmasking, my question to you would be what's the point? It was early since it was made.

I already said the Russian one was edited in the other post, but we had this point between us already.

Why does Faul "Baa-Baa" at the sheep at the end?

toty1994

19-06-2009, 11:35 PM

more photo tampering

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Alive.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/JPM_BILLY_WARP.jpg
Why do you never post the untampered version to compare it to? It might help.

ar20 - will get back to you.:)

faulconandsnowjob

20-06-2009, 12:32 AM

Here's a comp of the untampered (?) portion:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PaulBill.jpg

Why do you never post the untampered version to compare it to? It might help.

You're assuming that an untampered version will be available.

Here's an ex. of very subtle tampering. Can you spot it?

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/faking/help_genuine.jpg
http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/faking/help_faked.jpg

toty1994

20-06-2009, 12:24 PM

You're assuming that an untampered version will be available.
Without it your claim of 'more photo tampering' is invalid.

Here's an ex. of very subtle tampering. Can you spot it?
I'm guessing you mean Paul's face looks ever so slightly thinner on the dvd still. The first still is from VHS. Can you spot the more mundane explanaion as opposed to 'tptb have tampered with it'?

I already said the Russian one was edited in the other post, but we had this point between us already.
Oh, I missed that. So why say 'I've yet to see a Faul interview that's been torn up' then?

You don't even mention the reptile handshake, the headless corpse of magical mystery boy (both in Blue Jay Way and this), the reptile behind the eye, or the guy who looks like Faul crying. It's like all the backmasking, my question to you would be what's the point? It was early since it was made.
The PiD sequence in COB only lasts about 30 secs, if that. The images, and the fact that Braverman chose 'A Day in the Life' as the sountrack suggests to me no more than a cheekily humorous nod to the conspiracy. Some of the images have since been used by believers (and iaap) to help 'prove' PiD which I find quite ironic. Now, it could be that Braverman actually believed it I suppose but..you know..so what?

What do you get from the film?

faulconandsnowjob

20-06-2009, 07:32 PM

Without it your claim of 'more photo tampering' is invalid.
No, it isn't.

Quote:
Here's an ex. of very subtle tampering. Can you spot it?
I'm guessing you mean Paul's face looks ever so slightly thinner on the dvd still.
Good job. I'm actually impressed that you can spot that subtle difference. Now, why can't you spot that Paul & Faul have different faces? :confused:

socrates

20-06-2009, 08:50 PM

You're assuming that an untampered version will be available.

And you're therefore assuming it's been tampered with - without a shred of evidence!

Laughable.

PIDers just blatently make things up - no wonder they aint taken seriously.

Here's an ex. of very subtle tampering. Can you spot it?

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/faking/help_genuine.jpg
http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/faking/help_faked.jpg

It's not tampering! Any video buff knows the difference between VHS and DVD is not only the obvious quality loss, but the Widescreen aspect ratio.

Anamorphic transfers to video tape are sometimes distorted to fit more image in a 4:3 picture area, the characters look thinner. In technical terms DVD has up to 500 horizontal lines compared to 240 for VHS.

Here's a more obvious example than the Paul one above, of the differences in aspect ratios of DVD and VHS:

http://www.dvdaust.com/images/ttk_vhs.jpg.......... http://www.dvdaust.com/images/ttk_dvd.jpg
VHS frame of A Time to Kill. .........DVD frame of A Time to Kill

More here: http://www.dvdaust.com/comparison_01.htm (http://www.dvdaust.com/comparison_01.htm)

So once again, faulcon's claims are shown to be nothing but DISINFO.

Now, there's a surprise..... :rolleyes:

Now, why can't you spot that Paul & Faul have different faces?

For the simple reason that they are the same face.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9536/paulqe3.jpghttp://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9766/paulcloselookzd7.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/paulqe3_fade.gif

And the same eyes...

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3931/eyes5.jpg

Oh, and the same hands...

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2093/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzl.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

20-06-2009, 09:04 PM

Reality is always hard to accept whenever it is unpleasant. Our minds play tricks and tell us it just cannot be. We don't want to believe our own eyes and ears. Instead of accepting the truth as it is when it disturbs us, we try to deny its existence.

~ Dr. P. Beter

Faul's nose is longer & his mouth is wider.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Paul_Faul_66_neg.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAIe2sqNL-I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eyiOGUMut4&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC4lumYPQD8

socrates

20-06-2009, 09:13 PM

Faul's nose is longer & his mouth is wider.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Paul_Faul_66_neg.jpg

Sorry, please try again:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/sidebyside9.gif

socrates

20-06-2009, 09:14 PM

Who got 'replaced'?

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/67comp.gif

socrates

20-06-2009, 09:16 PM

Same expressions..... Same man....

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/khanmfh/comps/expressions-1.jpg

Ok, I needed to kill a few minutes. I'm out of here again.

toty1994

20-06-2009, 10:18 PM

It's not tampering! Any video buff knows the difference between VHS and DVD is not only the obvious quality loss, but the Widescreen aspect ratio.

Anamorphic transfers to video tape are sometimes distorted to fit more image in a 4:3 picture area, the characters look thinner. In technical terms DVD has up to 500 horizontal lines compared to 240 for VHS.

Exactly. That's what I was wondering if faulcon would 'spot'. She must be aware of aspect ratio - I wonder if she'll acknowledge that it's at least a possibility in this case?

Good pics btw, socrates! I have a gut feeling they just might be dismissed.:rolleyes:

faulconandsnowjob

21-06-2009, 04:04 AM

^ It's just funny how you guys post pics of 2 difft guys & think it's the same, & then are all smug as tho you've just proven something. :p

faulconandsnowjob

21-06-2009, 06:07 AM

Paul on August 28, 1966 in LA

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/1966_August27_08.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnCWQMWEUW8

Paul on Aug 29, 1966 in San Francisco

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa103/theking64/dino_danelli_1966_08_29_san.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_memphis_la.jpg
On right............................................. ... ^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsMPSeFQBuU

Anyone notice anything about the bangs? Hmm....

faulconandsnowjob

21-06-2009, 06:58 AM

This whole thing w/ Paul is a psyop.

Psychological Operations (PSYOP, PSYOPS) are techniques used ... to influence a target audience's value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, and behavior. PSYOPS are used to ... reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives... Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psyop

... Psychological operations may be defined broadly as the planned use of communications to influence human attitudes and behavior ... to create in target groups behavior, emotions, and attitudes that support the attainment of national objectives. The form of communication can be as simple as spreading information covertly by word of mouth or through any means of multimedia.

A psychological warfare campaign is a war of the mind. Your primary weapons are sight and sound. PSYOP can be disseminated by face-to-face communication, audio visual means (television), audio media (radio or loudspeaker), visual media (leaflets, newspapers, books, magazines and/or posters). The weapon is not how its sent, but the message it carries and how that message affects the recipient...

http://www.psywarrior.com/psyhist.html

When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing

By William M. Arkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

... By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile...

Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations...

Video and photo manipulation has already raised profound questions of authenticity for the journalistic world. With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future.

"We already know that seeing isn't necessarily believing," says Dan Kuehl, "now I guess hearing isn't either."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

ar20

21-06-2009, 01:59 PM

ar20

21-06-2009, 02:00 PM

Sorry, please try again:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/sidebyside9.gif

Like I've said a bajillion times....

If it's the same guy, why do you INSIST on tilting the photo, surely if they're the same you wouldn't even need to do that.

But thanks again PIA'ers! Credence.

brainfreeze

21-06-2009, 02:02 PM

Like I've said a bajillion times....

If it's the same guy, why do you INSIST on tilting the photo, surely if they're the same you wouldn't even need to do that.

But thanks again PIA'ers! Credence.

It looks like it was done so that the face is at the same angle, just the eyes are looking in different directions.

ar20

21-06-2009, 02:08 PM

It looks like it was done so that the face is at the same angle, just the eyes are looking in different directions.

That's exactly my point, if he looks the same, why tilt the picture to prove that?

If I tilt it back it's not nearly as noticeable as he's making it out to be.

ar20

21-06-2009, 02:21 PM

brainfreeze

21-06-2009, 02:25 PM

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7070/faulpaul.jpg

It's like I've said.

If you match the shape profiles by tilting or reversing or whatever (eyes to eyes, nose to nose, mouth to mouth) the difference isn't distinguishable.

If you really believe Paul is the same, the photos themselves should just do the talking, why would you need to do that to illustrate the point, would you do that with your own photos at different angles?

I'm not sure I agree with that. I have personal photos where I look different in them, you'd not say it was the same person, it's all to do with the angle of the shot and how rough I was feeling, or not. :)

ar20

21-06-2009, 02:28 PM

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6450/iamthewalrus.jpg

ar20

21-06-2009, 02:30 PM

I'm not sure I agree with that. I have personal photos where I look different in them, you'd not say it was the same person, it's all to do with the angle of the shot and how rough I was feeling, or not. :)

Then you sir, have a personal identity crisis... :p

Honestly though? The only people I've met who say stuff like that are people who hate their own passport photos or a few "drunken" moments etc.

But Paul isn't drunk. He's casual or being interviewed, or candid, so no excuse here.

We could do a Britney Spears timeline and she doesn't look COMPLETELY different is what we're saying, or any other celebrity aside from noticable plastic surgery which we'd all admit.

But getting people to admit the slightest change in Paul is like pushing a fool up a hill.

ar20

21-06-2009, 02:42 PM

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4475/faulpaul2.jpg

brainfreeze

21-06-2009, 02:48 PM

Then you sir, have a personal identity crisis... :p

Honestly though? The only people I've met who say stuff like that are people who hate their own passport photos or a few "drunken" moments etc.

But Paul isn't drunk. He's casual or being interviewed, or candid, so no excuse here.

We could do a Britney Spears timeline and she doesn't look COMPLETELY different is what we're saying, or any other celebrity aside from noticable plastic surgery which we'd all admit.

But getting people to admit the slightest change in Paul is like pushing a fool up a hill.

I will have if peeps adress me as sir from here on.

I'm a girl :o

ar20

21-06-2009, 02:51 PM

I will have if peeps adress me as sir from here on.

I'm a girl :o

LOL

Sorry for that. :eek:

Well if I can't tell the difference between gender I have no business saying Paul is Faul. :p

Socrates thought I was a she as well...

They really do need a male/female thing right on the post.

brainfreeze

21-06-2009, 02:57 PM

LOL

Sorry for that. :eek:

Well if I can't tell the difference between gender I have no business saying Paul is Faul. :p

Socrates thought I was a she as well...

They really do need a male/female thing right on the post.

I waver with this one from maybe to no way.

Maybe we should post in colour to stop the confusion? lol

hurr

21-06-2009, 06:57 PM

PID is the mother of all conspiracies. After all these years Paul should look as he was in "A Hard Day's Night" but he doesn't. Even his clothes have changed.
No doubt aliens are involved and the year 2012. This is all so sinister.

faulconandsnowjob

21-06-2009, 07:43 PM

Those dates can't be right though, can they? Where does September 11th 1966 fit into it, or was he replaced the very next day because that's clearly a different guy.

As far as I know, those dates are right. "Paul's" bangs on Aug 28, 1966 are noticeably shorter than they were on Aug 29. I think people got onto Sept 11, 1966 b/c of the drum clue & b/c of the numerological significance of the date (9/11 didn't happen on 9/11 for nothing). Personally, I think Paul was gone by Aug 28. I'm certain it was him on Aug 19 in Memphis. But compare, if you are so inclined...

Memphis, Aug 19, 1966
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GEi6nJDM90

NY, Aug 22, 1966
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb5ssBRXt9o

LA, Aug 28, 1966
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnCWQMWEUW8

San Francisco, Aug 29, 1966
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsMPSeFQBuU

Interesting comments on the last one:

LODGE4444 (1 month ago) 0 Reply | Spam
Who is the first guy coming down off the plane ? The one with the jacket over the striped shirt. It's certainly NOT Paul Mccartney !!!.
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It's obviously Paul in the still shots from the concert but his face looks different coming off the plane in the film, especially his chin. Maybe it's just the camera angle.

faulconandsnowjob

21-06-2009, 07:45 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/PaulUSFaulRev.jpg

astrochicken

21-06-2009, 11:19 PM

. Personally, I think Paul was gone by Aug 28. I'm certain it was him on Aug 19 in Memphis. But compare, if you are so inclined...

Candlestick Park, San Francisco - August 29, 1966
The Beatles' last live show

@4:23 and @4:53

Despite being almost hoarse and most probably knackered, it's
definitely Paul singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n84dfb9Yig4

faulconandsnowjob

22-06-2009, 04:44 AM

Paul 1965 v. Faul 1967

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/fool_hill_comp.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t3yHDaIsxg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIsou0IRIQU

ar20

22-06-2009, 01:33 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/PaulUSFaulRev.jpg

That's an excellent example.

Least you didn't have to tilt the picture into the shapes to prove it. :rolleyes:

faulconandsnowjob

23-06-2009, 02:52 AM

"Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation, Part XV"
June 6, 2009

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr107.html

... As was duly noted in the last installment of this series, the law enforcement community had ample opportunity to silence the muses of the 1960s counterculture. That the state consistently chose not to utilize that power says much about the legitimacy of that counterculture. For if these iconic figures posed a demonstrable threat to the status quo, then why would they not have been silenced? Why, for example, were three members of the Buffalo Springfield – Neil Young, Richie Furay and Jim Messina, along with Eric Clapton, Furay’s wife, the band’s road manager, and nine others – arrested in a drug bust at a Topanga Canyon home, only to then walk away as if nothing had happened? Why was this case, and so many others like it, not aggressively prosecuted?

The state had other means to silence young critics, of course, one of the best being the military draft. As Richie Unterberger noted inTurn! Turn! Turn!, “Most folk rockers (if they were male), like their audience, were of draft age.” But curiously enough, “Very, very few had their careers interrupted by the draft.” Actually, Unterberger appears to just be playing it safe with the “very, very few” wording; after reading through both of Unterberger’s books and numerous other tomes covering similar ground, I have yet to read about any folk rocker whose career was affected by the draft in the 1960s.

...

Hundreds of thousands of young men from all across the country were swept up and fed into the war machine, but not one of the musical icons of the Woodstock generation was among them. How could that be? Should we just consider that to be another one of those great serendipities? Was it mere luck that kept all the Laurel Canyon stars out of jail and out of the military during the turbulent decade that was the 1960s?

Not likely. The reality is that ‘The Establishment,’ as it was known in those days, had the power to prevent the musical icons of the 1960s from ever becoming the megastars that they became. The state, aka corporate America, could quite easily have prevented the entire countercultural movement from ever really getting off the ground – because then, as now, the state controlled the channels of communication.

A real grass-roots cultural revolution would probably have involved a bunch of starving musicians barely scratching out a living playing tiny coffee shops in the hopes of maybe someday landing a record deal with some tiny, local independent label and then, just maybe, if they got really lucky, getting a little airplay on some obscure college radio stations. But that’s not how the ‘60s folk-rock ‘revolution’ played out. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

As Unterberger duly notes in his expansive, two-volume review of the folk-rock movement, “much folk-rock was recorded and issued by huge corporations, and broadcast over radio and television stations owned for the most part by the same or similar pillars of the establishment.” Right from the start, in fact, it was the largest record labels leading the folk-rock charge. The very first of the folk-rock bands, the Byrds, signed with Columbia Records – whose name, in case you were wondering, is derived from a little place known as the District of Columbia, where the label was founded and headquartered some 120 years ago...

From Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation
Part XVI
June 13, 2009

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr108.html

... The folk-rock movement, you see, didn’t really last very long in its original incarnation. It quickly splintered into three distinct new genres: country-rock, psychedelic rock, and the ‘introspective singer-songwriter’ school of folk-rock most closely associated with former mental patient James Taylor. None of these musical genres, notably, posed the slightest threat to the status quo. The navel-gazers eschewed social concerns in favor of focusing on tales of personal anguish, the acid rockers largely preached the mantra of ‘turn on, tune in, drop out,’ and the country-rockers largely stuck to traditional – which is to say, quite conservative – country music themes...

I think this is an example of how the anti-war movement was hi-jacked & controlled by TPTB so that it would not pose any real threat. LSD also played a part in derailing any real resistance to Vietnam or whatever else.

ar20

23-06-2009, 07:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFyPNbEzSes&feature=related

faulconandsnowjob

24-06-2009, 05:17 AM

Paul
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/hair_part_Paul.jpg

Faul
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/hair_part_faul.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

25-06-2009, 01:53 AM

Stepfording (what likely happened to Paul) as a concept includes replacing someone w/ a double. The Illuminati tell us the score, so these movies may be examples of fact masquerading as fiction. Notice how they sell this concept to the audience by replacing the unlikeable original w/ a likable double.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5HfPprtQsQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkf4VQx2MHE

faulconandsnowjob

25-06-2009, 02:12 AM

Ex-CIA disguise master helps disfigured people
http://www.prosthesis.com/news/afp_11dec2005.pdf

He once created new faces for undercover CIA spies, but today Bob Barron has turned his talents to those really in need: making prosthetic ears, noses, fingers and nipples for people disfigured congenitally or by accidents or cancer.

For over two decades, Barron was a master of disguise who made the fake noses, chins, skin and ears needed to protect the identities of Central Intelligence Agency operatives in the Cold War. He even created whole faces to make "doubles" -- people who pose as someone else...

His spy years gave him the basis for his new career. "When I worked for the CIA I put people in hiding, I changed people's identities and also I made doubles.

"Agents depended on the realism of their disguise to keep them alive, this was my responsibility," he said, refusing to give any specifics of missions behind the communist Iron Curtain...

Barron had baked the new ear in an oven and, taking it from the mold, he applied a special glue and placed it on the left side of the boy's head, all the while explaining to Peter's mother Dede how to remove the ear at night and replace it in the morning.

He then took a palette of colors and a small paintbrush to color the prosthetic ear until it fit perfectly with Peter's face. It was a mirror image of the boy's other ear...

'Master of Disguise' Changes Many Lives
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=1354130

As the CIA's top "master of disguise" for spies and double agents, Bob Barron was well aware of the stakes as he created hundreds of faces and new identities. One suspicious-looking eyebrow or a misplaced ear could lead to fatal results.

"I had to put people in hiding, and I knew the disguise had to pass closest scrutiny of 6 to 12 inches away," he said, adding, "If they didn't have the right disguise, then their life was in jeopardy." ...

Barron is a perfectionist. From capillaries to hair follicles, he nails the details...

GoBell's new nose is held on by magnets attached to a gold frame. Despite its realistic appearance, she can actually pop it off of her face...

faulconandsnowjob

26-06-2009, 03:39 AM

Paul's distinctive right eyebrow...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d196/Beatlesphotos/124744290_fa3b9e6435-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Brows.jpg
(right pic tampered w/)

that they tried to copy ;D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PlasticSheppard.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/faul_paul_eye_distance_comparison.jpg

but not consistently...

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/show-case/sff_billy_3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/EyebrowFillers.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Eyebrowsandeyes.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

26-06-2009, 09:03 PM

Oh, no, people could never be fooled by a lookalike. :D

Beyoncé Imposter Tricks Vienna Museum
By Steve Helling and Simon Perry

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20275753,00.html

The Albertina Museum in Austria got an exciting call on Tuesday: A manager for Beyoncé Knowles said that the star was on her way over...

Later, the museum learned that the woman actually wasn't Knowles, but an impersonator sent by a local radio station, Krona Hit Radio...

lostworld

27-06-2009, 06:44 AM

Stepfording (what likely happened to Paul) as a concept includes replacing someone w/ a double. The Illuminati tell us the score, so these movies may be examples of fact masquerading as fiction. Notice how they sell this concept to the audience by replacing the unlikeable original w/ a likable double.

Very true Faulcon. Great movie examples!

Like always they like to rub it in our faces & the sheeple not understanding anything. It's all a big inside joke to them... :(

faulconandsnowjob

30-06-2009, 08:26 PM

Faul's teeth are not the same. Surely, no one would suggest Paul would add gaps between his teeth.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/goodshotPaulsteeth.jpghttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/Faulteeth.jpg

chocolateharpist

02-07-2009, 03:16 AM

Well, it looks like the Girl is His, after all.

faulconandsnowjob

02-07-2009, 03:34 AM

Def not the same ear...

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/beatlespaul.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/LuckEars2.jpg

fireman

02-07-2009, 09:37 AM

Oh Faulcon.. you don't give up, do you?

Your comparisons are absolutly worthless. You claim to be a lawyer?

Lets debunk the last one:

1. You claim these 2 to be different:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/beatlespaul.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/LuckEars2.jpg

Now what is wrong here?

- taken 20 years appart
- one taken in the studio, one on stage (stagelights!)
- you can't even see his ears properly
- one left ear, one right ear

Here, i highlighted the shadow coming from stage lightsources:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/LuckEars2.jpg

But that's just for a start, lets take it further, using your comparisons standards:

In different light settings his ear looks different!!

Proof?

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/12.jpg

same ear, same man...

now look, you claim that to be the same man? The ear looks totally different!!
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/OhneTitel-1.gif

Paul is Paul, your comparisons only show how a man's ear (or other features) can differ from pic to pic..

Paul is alive, and that is a good thing!!!:):)

:cool:

faulconandsnowjob

02-07-2009, 10:37 AM

People don't usually grow plastic ears.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g134/antiKitano/PDVD_003.jpg

fireman

02-07-2009, 11:39 AM

thats your answer to my post?

You would prefer cutting your tounge off, before admitting that i was right, wouldn't you?
:(

ar20

02-07-2009, 06:13 PM

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/12.jpg

Saying these are the same guy is just plain ignorant and insulting. Tilting the pictures to match the other is just unnecessary.

If it's the same guy, you do not have to do this! I've explained this to you and it goes right over your head...

http://whoyoucallingaskeptic.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/alex-jones.jpg

http://www.dallasnn.com/category/wp-content/uploads/AlexJones1.jpg

See? You'd be a moron to confuse him. I don't need to tilt anything, or change lights... That's Alex.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/faul_paul_eye_distance_comparison.jpg

ar20

02-07-2009, 07:29 PM

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6450/iamthewalrus.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

02-07-2009, 08:53 PM

Different nose

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/JamesPaulEar1.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g134/antiKitano/PDVD_005.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

03-07-2009, 01:54 AM

The "faux" looks more like the original than Faul looks like Paul, imo.

http://starsblogue.typepad.com/.a/6a010536ccded2970b011571945985970b-800wi

Le clone de Serge Gainsbourg
http://starblogue.sympatico.msn.ca/2009/06/le-clone-de-serge-gainsbourg.html

faulconandsnowjob

05-07-2009, 05:13 AM

This kills me to hear stuff like this from ignorant people who don't know any better.

As a solo artist, Paul McCartney has never really floated my boat if I'm honest... I mean, this is the guy responsible for some of the most cringe worthy sounds of the 1980s, when my tastes in music were being formulated. Don't believe me? Check out the "Frog Chorus" or the lamentable "Say, Say, Say" he inflicted on us with Michael Jackson. It was as if the 1960s had never happened.

http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/epcp_0812_1966_aston_martin_db6/index.html

Brilliant Paul's legacy has been sullied by that Faul-imposter :(

ar20

05-07-2009, 07:07 AM

This kills me to hear stuff like this from ignorant people who don't know any better.

Brilliant Paul's legacy has been sullied by that Faul-imposter :(

There is a noticable voice difference.

Take "I'm looking through you" and compare it with Hey Jude.

faulconandsnowjob

05-07-2009, 07:28 AM

What do you think about "Mother Nature's Son?" Paul or Faul?

faulconandsnowjob

07-07-2009, 06:33 PM

So was Paul standing on a box or what? He seems quite a bit taller than Jim McCartney in the pic on the right.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Paul_faul_height.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

08-07-2009, 01:48 AM

http://digilander.libero.it/p_truth/the_truth/paul_mccartney_faul_profiles.jpg

faulconandsnowjob

08-07-2009, 09:40 AM

Sir Paul McCartney confronts the ghosts of his past

Source: timesonline.co.uk Comments (4)
Updated: Nov.24,2008 09:13 Subscribe to stories like this

He overcame losing the love of his life and survived a disastrous second marriage. So what continues to torture him? In his most revealing interview yet, Sir Paul McCartney confronts the ghosts of his past. Portrait: Terry O’Neill

"People who know him say there is the real McCartney and there is Beatle Paul. “I’ve learnt to compartmentalise,” he says. “There’s me and there’s famous Him. I don’t want to sound schizophrenic, but probably I’m two people."
...

"In the 1960s, the Beatles biographer Hunter Davies asked the group if he could keep some handwritten song lyrics they’d left lying around in Abbey Road, which would otherwise have been thrown out by the cleaners. They all agreed, but McCartney forgot about it until he took his daughter Mary to the British Museum and spotted a lyric in his handwriting in a case. (Davies had given them to the nation.) He wrote to Davies asking for the lyric back; they eventually agreed between them that McCartney would leave it in the museum."

This is from the Nov 2007 British GQ magazine:

Sir Paul McCartney Man of the Year 2006

... Hey, I'm just some little kid from Liverpool. All these years wondering if you'll ever make it. And here I am, after the Beatles, after Wings, the whole thing. It's just fantastic. I can't believe I'm him - but I am, baby.

fireman

08-07-2009, 10:02 AM

http://digilander.libero.it/p_truth/the_truth/paul_mccartney_faul_profiles.jpg

Tilting the pictures to match the other is just unnecessary.

If it's the same guy, you do not have to do this! I've explained this to you and it goes right over your head...

But the other way round, it's ok?

:D

toty1994

08-07-2009, 11:33 AM

Faulcon, I've been reading the PiD thread on ATS. Some of the people there are making exactly the same points as the 'debunkers' on here. Do you think we all know each other and co-ordinate our responses for every board where there's a PiD thread?:D

Also, I notice you post things which you know are wrong, eg the 'Beatle Bill' reference (referring to Billy Preston of course). If you're so certain about PiD you shouldn't need to reference proven falsehoods. Just saying...

ar20

08-07-2009, 04:28 PM

But the other way round, it's ok?

:D

Uh, yes? A mirror image isn't going to prove much either, it's just a reflection of the original..

However taking two photos and tilting them round so that the eyes, nose and mouth lines up is just misleading, as I've said.

If it's the same guy, you do not need to do it.

http://www.sfu.ca/~smbarber/john-lennon.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/scubastza/Blog%20Stuff/John_Lennon_wideweb__430x3360.jpg

I'm sorry but people are really delusional if they think this is at all the same person.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00254/F_200705_May16ed_im_254851a.jpg

*credit to THE SUN for that one

http://abeautifulmess.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/2007/09/26/paul_mccartney_344x481.jpg

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/paul-mccartney/paul-mccartney-20070616-270721.jpg

http://moongoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pm6candid-paul-mccartney-posters.jpg

http://newberryphotography.com/pp/images/20051123164230_paul_mccartney_jn.jpg

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/paul-mccartney/paul-mccartney-20070616-270772.jpg

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2009/02/paul-mccartney-coachella.jpg

Keep denying it, it'll hit you eventually.

fireman

08-07-2009, 05:19 PM

I hope it will hit you someday that Paul is alive (as long as he still is!)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/faulfade.gif

ar20

08-07-2009, 05:20 PM

Think this topics dwindling a bit, so here's a few more comps.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/thebeatlesband/animationsandcartoons/paulwinker.gif

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1113/faulpaul1.png
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4423/faulpaul2.png
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1018/faulpaul3.png
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1566/faulpaul4.png
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9370/faulpaul5.png
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/6284/faulpaul6.png
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3425/faulpaul7.png
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4793/faulpaul8.png
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7978/faulpaul9.png

fireman

08-07-2009, 05:55 PM

Thanks for pushing my point! Are you converting to PIA, ar20?
;)

same guy!
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1018/faulpaul3.png

where is the difference?

do you really see any?

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/nose.gif

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/nose2.gif

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/mouth1.gif

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/mouth2.gif

His mouth is opened a little bit in the second one, plus he has the scar from the moped accident in the first one..

Thats it!

:)

ar20

08-07-2009, 07:53 PM

faulconandsnowjob

08-07-2009, 07:59 PM

Wow, ar20, excellent comps!

Faulcon, I've been reading the PiD thread on ATS.
Great! I'm so glad PID truth is spreading.

Also, I notice you post things which you know are wrong, eg the 'Beatle Bill' reference (referring to Billy Preston of course). If you're so certain about PiD you shouldn't need to reference proven falsehoods.
George & John refer to "Beatle Bill," the "Fab 3," & then John sings the scathing "How Do You Sleep?" in this clip from "Imagine." It's only your interpretation that it was directed at Billy Preston. And since when was he a "Beatle?" Sorry, but I think that's a dumb interpretation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-5Jwdz2nv4

ar20

08-07-2009, 08:02 PM

Wow, ar20, excellent comps!

Great! I'm so glad PID truth is spreading.

George & John refer to "Beatle Bill," the "Fab 3," & then John sings the scathing "How Do You Sleep?" in this clip from "Imagine." It's only your interpretation that it was directed at Billy Preston. And since when was he a "Beatle?" Sorry, but I think that's a dumb interpretation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-5Jwdz2nv4

For some reason, I had a clip where "Beatle BILL" was edited to sound like PHIL (Phil Spector?)?

faulconandsnowjob

08-07-2009, 08:07 PM

ar20

08-07-2009, 08:09 PM

Ar20, I noticed this picture was at that link you sent me of pics of Paul, & I see it's in one of the comps.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/sunglasses1-1.jpg

That picture is a composite - 1/2 is Paul & 1/2 is some other guy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/SunglassesTruth.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/SunglassesTruthotherside.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/SunglassesTogether.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/SunglassesSmokingGun.jpg

This is all Paul :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/SunglassesJPM.jpg

WOW.

Thanks didn't even see that.

And they actually come back to you and say "there's no such thing as tampering?" :rolleyes:

The one fireman just pulled apart has clear tampering, but I used it along with that one to illustrate a point.

Why would they even tamper if it was the same guy? See?

faulconandsnowjob

08-07-2009, 08:15 PM

You can even see the line down the middle if you look closely. And that's an "official" picture... :p Yeah, nothing to see here. Move right along. :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/sunglasses1-1.jpg

Here's the link to that gallery of pics I was talking about:
http://www.freewebs.com/thefabfourgalleries/paulmccartney.htm

They have the pics of Paul & Faul all jumbled together.

faulconandsnowjob

08-07-2009, 08:31 PM

Ar20, in those pics of Paul you just sent me, there was one of him w/ Stevie Wonder.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/thebeatlesfour/paul/paulandstevie.jpg

There is also a pic of Paul w/ Elvis.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Elvis_JPM.jpg

Interesting that these pictures are not more famous.

faulconandsnowjob

08-07-2009, 10:29 PM

This is the lightest I've ever seen Paul's eyes, but they are still not green.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/thebeatlesfour/paul/peeking.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/SFF_green_eyes.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/blueeyes3.jpg

socrates

09-07-2009, 12:06 AM

There is also a pic of Paul w/ Elvis.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Elvis_JPM.jpg

Interesting that these pictures are not more famous.

LOL!!!

The Elvis and Paul 'photo' is "not more famous" because it is a blatent fake! :rolleyes:

Oh, the irony! :D

Paul's face is too big in that doctored photo.

"It lasted for about two or three hours and there were no cameras taken -- no pictures whatsoever. People say there's pictures. No recordings, nothing like that. The only pictures of that meeting were outside taken by fans and photographers."
Joe Esposito - Elvis' right hand man
http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/elvis_meets_the_beatles.shtml

Unfortunately, no recordings from that night exist and the only known photos were taken outside as The Beatles left Elvis’ home.
http://beatlesautographs.com/photographs.htm

Here's some of the photos taken outside - you can clearly see Elvis is wearing a different shirt than the one in Faulcon's doctored pic because his collar is outside his jacket:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2705/elvise.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2824/82042440.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/91920388.jpghttp://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3418/88135134.jpghttp://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4200/48529236.jpg
Genuine........................................... ................... Genuine........................................... ..................... DOCTORED! :D

Faulcon obviously can't tell a 'real' doctored photo when she sees one...... Guess she has no eye for detail. :D

faulconandsnowjob

09-07-2009, 12:11 AM

socrates

09-07-2009, 12:30 AM

It's sad how easily some people can be tricked by a double who doesn't really look that much like his target. Different eye color, eyebrows, noses, foreheads, ears, heights, etc. Oh, well, I guess TPTB can make some people see whatever they want them to see.

Blah, blah, blah... repeat the same old crap over and over again in post after post..... blah, blah, blah.....

If anybody sounds brainwashed - it's you!

You almost never respond to the evidence which contradicts PID - like Fireman's post earlier today - or my post which proves your Elvis and Paul pic is doctored. You just ignore anything which disproves what you have posted and carry on posting yet more silly pics and chanting your 'It's amazing how people are so easily decieved by the illuminati..... blah, blah.

This thread is just going round and round in circles. I notice you're back to posting the 'He's got different coloured eyes' photos YET AGAIN. :eek: How many times is that now??? :eek:

Unless you PIDer's have got anything NEW to post, this thread needs to be put out of it's misery.

It's only us debunkers who have given it any life anyway. And now we hardly post it's running on empty.

ar20

09-07-2009, 12:36 AM

Blah, blah, blah... repeat the same old crap over and over again in post after post..... blah, blah, blah.....

If anybody sounds brainwashed - it's you!

You almost never respond to the evidence which contradicts PID - like Fireman's post earlier today - or my post which proves your Elvis and Paul pic is doctored. You just ignore anything which disproves what you have posted and carry on posting yet more silly pics and chanting your 'It's amazing how people are so easily decieved by the illuminati..... blah, blah.

This thread is just going round and round in circles. I notice you're back to posting the 'He's got different coloured eyes' photos YET AGAIN. :eek: How many times is that now??? :eek:

Unless you PIDer's have got anything NEW to post, this thread needs to be put out of it's misery.

It's only us debunkers who have given it any life anyway. And now we hardly post it's running on empty.

Oh please, you're absolutely full of it.

I think you've ran out of lamp-posts and hands to post, right? You've provided NOTHING of any contradictions to this topic other than pure nonsense, you're also guilty of not addressing points we've made.

Not to mention being incredibly rude and obnoxious, and the usual "that's been debunked" line, without sourcing said debunking.

No sir, it is you with the tired and tried round and circles with no real point.

The topics actually a lot better when you don't show up.

Also, how do you know that Elvis pic is doctored... it says there are few pictures, and all were taken outside... maybe Paul unbuttoned his jacket?

Even then, WTF does Elvis have to do with this... it's clearly Paul and Elvis so there's been no tampering with the faces anyway, another distracting straw-man?

faulconandsnowjob

09-07-2009, 12:49 AM

If anybody sounds brainwashed - it's you!
Hey, you're the one who believes that a taller guy w/ different facial features is the same guy. lol

ar20

09-07-2009, 12:50 AM

I'll give you an example if that was too weak a comeback...

I'll post you something like this:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3425/faulpaul7.png

You make 3 points back saying...

"It's the same man. :rolleyes:"

If you're telling yourself this, you'll believe it. It's like saying "I CAN'T FIND MY CAR KEYS, WHERE ARE THEY?!"... and they're right infront of you. Everyones done this with something, you're just convincing yourself into a belief.

Would you honestly say anything else? Of course not.

"You can't compare them, the faces/lens of the camera/night or day/studio or outside/lighting differences/Faul was sad that day"

I'll say, if it's the same man, there will be no real difference and should be recognizable, avoiding this point with the pictures gives credence to all this.

I'll also show you pics of John, Ringo, and George all different angles and times, and there's not that much difference. You don't need to tilt them, greyscale them, or fade them... you know it's the same guy. The reason you aren't all seeing it, is because they're different but the job is so good it's clearly not been noticable.

THE GUYS TALLER, HAS A DIFFERENT FACE, DIFFERENT EYEBROWS, AND ACTS THE POLAR OPPOSITE.

If you don't think replacing someone is possible...

Michael Jackson... PRINCE OF POP, the only black guy to turn completely white from vitiligo (it happens in patches). He's then destroyed in the media as a mincing pedophile, now he's a saint....

TPTB really do mind-control, believe it. Look at the hysteria from the MJ thing.

Back to Faul...

I even took apart your John timeline by doing half/halfs of them from all over the era, and well as HALF/HALFs of all the Beatles... Paul just happens not to match or stand up.

Nevermind the TONS of comparisons, nevermind the tons of interviews, the clear face/voice differences, the Beatles clues, the backmasking, the Paul is Dead message over post-66 albums, the SGT Peppers cover, the emergence of IAMAPHONEY -- despite the claims that phoney is nonsense, the guy has made 75 videos which are very unique and creative, if he's a hoax then it's a bloody good one. PID is far from dead, the net has given it new vitality.

No, none of this is evidence. All you want is for us to have a captured video or audio of FAUL saying he's PAUL.

So not only are you being a hypocrite and accusing Faulcon of avoiding points, you and the others do it as well. The topics dying because of that, not because of us continuing.

Frankly I don't blame her. You posted lamp-posts at two angles and told me that's how we perceive things different because of perspective. Son, listen, I'm a graphics designer, I know all about perspective and distance, and lighting, and everything else. Just because the pictures are from two different scenes, at different times, doesn't mean they can't be used as accurate comparisons. The focal point is the face, not the background -- it goes to show on what you all focus on.

"Usual PID nonsense, it's been debunked"

The cop-out which you never source. We say thanks again. :)