Is The Bible The Devil's Tool (Nice Information)

[rwederfoort]

Unravelling the Bible has been an age-long exercise. The inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible can make it difficult to comprehend. To gather understanding of it, it is important to realize that the Bible is a work in progress that contains certain energies. Sometimes the nature of these energies can be readily discerned from the literal words of the book, and other times the energies are more subtle. At times the energies are in opposition to the words.

Is the Bible really the word of God? If your answer is "yes", then is it a perfect rendition of God's word containing no errors whatsoever? In other words, is the Bible infallible?

The doctrine of infallibility has been adopted at times by the Catholic Church, such as when it mandates that the pope is infallible. Anyone who has some understanding of human nature knows that there is not one human who is infallible. Yet, the doctrine stands.

There are those who declare that the Bible is the word of God. Anyone who disagrees with them can expect to be ridiculed, attacked and perhaps be referred to as an agent of Satan. The problem is that people have been so brainwashed by the ruling elite that they will parrot defence of the Bible, regardless of the amount of evidence proving that it is not God's word.

It would assist those trying to make sense of the Bible to consider that there are two voices in the Bible - the Voice of the God of the True Light, the Divine Being of Purity - and the Voice of Darkness. When Darkness speaks, It masquerades as the True Light, which has confounded many readers. When one reads the extant Bible with this understanding, many of the inconsistencies and contradictions dissipate.

Some contradictions in the Bible occur because the two voices are in opposition and are clashing. Other times Darkness has inadvertently placed contradictions into the book - or has intentionally inserted them to cause confusion and unrest.

Most religions or philosophies that seek Truth have layers and layers of "the onion" to peel away. People need to go deeper and deeper to get through all the layers of mysterious things. However, the mystery is never solved.

Esoteric teachings expound stories of creation and godhood and the explanation of the apparent existence of evil. The stories are clouded with such detailed mystery that people get lost in the explanations and put them aside as mysteries. Can the explanation of the godhead and the hierarchy of beings from the godhead be neatly organized and put into writing for people to understand? Of course not. Yet, many religions contain full accounts of the beginnings of creation, often with detailed descriptions of the hierarchy of angels and other high beings. The promoters of these religions are deluding themselves and others. Darkness thrives on this because it is a trap instigated by Darkness.

Things pertaining to the Divine cannot be fully comprehended and conveyed in earthly language on this level. Only high beings of the True Light who temporarily took on physical bodies, such as Jesus, Moses or Luria, were able to get glimpses of the True Divine Creation. Knowledge about the Divine is not something any Tom, Dick or Harry can accurately receive or faithfully transcribe. Nor can psychics, astral beings or so-called guides from the astral or other realms in the Universal Dodecahedron grasp or comprehend it, much less dispense it. Yet, the literature and channelled materials are full of pseudo-knowledge about what god is and what god is not. Darkness also thrives on this because this, too, is a part of Darkness' plan.

For eons messengers of the True Light have given the same basic message that is briefly stated as follows: If Darkness continues to hold True-Light beings spiritually hostage, there will be a forced separation of True Light from Darkness. This basic message was intolerable to Darkness, which did everything It could to suppress and distort it.

There were four fundamental things about the message that bothered Darkness. First, it showed that Darkness was a rebellious being that had turned away from the True Light. Second, it identified Darkness as the energy that was in control of the Earth. Third, it exposed Darkness as having trapped True-Light beings and holding them prisoners. Fourth, it showed that one day the True Light would rescue Its viable True-Light beings from Darkness and separate them from Matter (Evil). The separation would ultimately cause Darkness to dissolve into oblivion.

Darkness had already separated the various bands and tribes of people on Earth by giving them different languages so they could not effectively communicate with one another. Darkness also inspired the various tribes and bands to distrust one another and encouraged warfare amongst them.

Despite the difficulties that Darkness put forward, the True-Light message persisted and continued to kindle in some groups. To suppress even this small amount of Truth, Darkness used many agents who suppressed and corrupted the True-Light message. This has been done time after time after time. However, a glimmer of the message would occasionally remain and be held by a small group that would resonate to the message. Darkness would then send Its agents out to destroy these small groups because It does all It can to hide Truth. Darkness is relentless in Its persecution of Truth.

There were many small bands of non-literate people on the planet, and it was a difficult task for Darkness to deny each group access to Truth. Darkness needed a more effective method of combating and corrupting Truth on the Earth, so It had Its agents, the Anunnaki, bring down written language to the world. Some of the Anunnaki brought down hieroglyphic languages, whilst others presented the world with alphabets. That is, written languages did NOT evolve on the Earth, they were introduced by higher alien intelligence. However, there was subsequent modification and development of the languages by humans.

It was with the written word that Darkness planned Its battle against the True Light. With the benefit of the written word, Darkness could formulate a systematic method of corrupting messages bearing Truth on the Earth. Darkness then invented recorded history. Prior to that, there were only oral legends and myths as handed down from father to son or mother to daughter. Darkness would not continue to risk having legends handed down through parents because they might try to pass Truth to their offspring. Hence, Darkness planted recorded events on the Earth. Recorded events did not necessarily get handed down through families, so it was much easier to encourage the historians to pass down less accurate myths and legends.

Everyone who has studied history closely realizes that it is slanted to benefit the authors of it. For instance, an American history book discussing the American Revolution paints the picture of brave colonists, who, despite the tremendous odds against them, threw off the tyrannical chains George III had bound them in. A British version of the same event shows something very different indeed. Likewise, a Japanese history of that nation's invasion of China reads very differently from a Chinese history about the Japanese invasion of their homeland. The examples of this are countless, and undeniable. Whilst these conflicting accounts might explain in the broadest terms what happened, their overall imports seem to describe totally different events. In short, history is often unreliable and extremely biased. Darkness planned it to be this way to suit Its purposes.

Darkness suspected Its days were numbered, and the True-Light message confirmed this suspicion. Therefore, Darkness sought to alter this message in the hope that It could change the inevitable separation of True-Light beings from False-Light beings. Darkness is deluded into thinking that It is the Source. However, Darkness also knows that It must receive nourishment from the True Light to sustain Itself. Darkness sought to change Its past, present and future by altering the True-Light's message with written words, thereby giving Darkness a better chance in the war between Good and Evil.

Of prime importance to Darkness is to convince as many people as possible that there is no absolute evil. Darkness is able to make a strong argument in this regard because Darkness has become so deluded in Its self-imposed prison, known as the Universal Dodecahedron, that It thinks that It is the creator of everything. Given that mindset, it becomes clearer why Darkness thinks there is no evil. It does not see Itself as evil - It is in self-denial about that.

What Darkness perceives is that It expresses in both positive and negative qualities, and that these are just different sides of the same coin. Therefore, Darkness has formulated a monotheistic doctrine in which It is everything - Light and Darkness, which is all rolled into one being. I have called the light expressed by Darkness the False-Light. It is the expression of a self-admitted emotional, jealous, warring, vindictive, murderous, prejudiced deity. To Darkness, this is light, because Darkness does not express True Love or True Peace. In other words, the best expression one can hope for from Darkness is bundled into the qualities of jealousy, greed, worldly power, conditional love based upon Darkness' created emotions, etc.

With Darkness playing both saviour and devil, it is easy to see why the corrupted version of the Revelation calls for a New Jerusalem, which is to be constructed of Matter. The New Jerusalem would only be the latest version of the Earth that Darkness would create. Darkness has started Its creation over and over whenever things became too chaotic, or whenever the True Light had brought down sufficient energy so that the inhabitants began getting close to discovering the Truth. Darkness then caused cataclysmic events that allowed It to wipe out nearly all knowledge of the past, to cover up the old footprints and start anew.

It is no wonder that so many who have attempted to sort out the purpose of life have ended their searches in despair, or ended up going down one of the myriad of traps set up by Darkness in anticipation of deceiving the deeper searchers. Most never see through the mazes of deception that Darkness has used to obstruct any who search for Truth. Those who begin to get a glimmer of what this world is about would most certainly despair.

Prophecies in the Bible can either be based upon messages from the True Light or messages from representatives of Darkness. If the message comes from a True-Light being such as Moses, Daniel, Jesus or John the Divine, then Darkness corrupts and edits the message so that it is no longer recognizable. However, when a False-Light being such as Ezekiel presents the message, it is generally not corrupted because it is already giving out faulty information to benefit Darkness. Further, agents of Darkness can often be identified by their "fire and brimstone" messages, although these days they often hide behind the façade of love, peace and harmony. The False-Light prophets present future events in the way Darkness wants people to believe they will occur.

Darkness corrupted the Original Revelation of John the Divine in many ways, including adding in the idea of the construction of a New Jerusalem in which peace and harmony would reign for 1,000 years before It unleashed the Devil again. It makes no sense whatsoever for a loving God to release such a dangerous entity to again prey upon humankind, but it makes perfect sense for such an evil deity to do so. After all, in releasing the Devil, It would only be releasing the negative side of Itself to again cause suffering and misery. Of course, the word of this deity is not to be trusted, so the 1,000-year promise of peace could turn out to be something much shorter, especially for a deity that is so war-mongering.

Darkness is constantly re-creating Its domain, seeking, among other things, to find the optimum mix of suffering and conflict with the minimum amount of happiness. In this "ideal" world there would be minimal chance of Truth being discovered. To bring this about, Darkness sought out "chosen ones" to hide the Truth with the written word. It was through these "chosen ones" that Darkness would keep an historical record of the past and present, and make prophecies about the future. These "chosen ones" were given an alphabet and a written language to make records of history that suited Darkness.

The recording of Darkness' history, current and future events has been relatively recent. For instance, catastrophic events have swept the Earth in the past, such as when the dinosaurs became extinct. There is ample evidence that the Earth has been revolving around the sun for a long, long time, yet Darkness' "chosen ones" have recorded a history to make it appear to many that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. Darkness has impressed Its "chosen ones" to load the historic register with an unbroken string of events and genealogy. One might ask how could a chronological record of the beginning of creation survive. The answer is that the chronology presented was only recently constructed.

Darkness is a warring energy. Many times the True Light has attempted to retrieve Darkness from Its self-constructed prison we know as the Virtual Reality. However, Darkness refuses to walk in the True Light. It is totally opposed to the True Light.

The True Light has journeyed into the Virtual Reality many times to try to retrieve Darkness through Divine Love, but It has always rejected the True Light and tried to corrupt everything in Its presence. So, finally, the True Light commenced the separation process to retrieve all the viable True-Light beings in order to salvage them from Darkness.

Darkness detests the True Light and always tries to squash Truth in this domain so that It can continue to trap and retain Its prisoners and slaves. This is an important point in understanding the Bible.

The dominant Voice or Force in the Bible is the Voice of Darkness. It is the energy that created the Earth and the physical dimension. It is the Voice that claims that the new heaven will be in an earthly form. Sprinkled throughout the chants of Darkness are some gems that the True Light has presented on the Earth. Darkness has allowed some of the messages from True-Light beings to be included in the Bible in order to attract more True-Light beings into the main religions of the Bible - Judaism and Christianity.

Where Darkness has permitted messages from the True Light to be included in the Bible, It has generally given them a twist to confuse and confound searchers and to suit Its purposes. Darkness has added or removed words to the messages to deceive followers into believing that Jesus and other prophets of the True Light uttered things and acted in ways that are contrary to their Divine essences. The insertions and deletions are man-made and not inspirations from the Divine Source.

There are many things that Darkness has inserted into the Bible that identify Its very nature. It proudly announces that It is a jealous god that punishes those who dare to disobey or displease It. Darkness threatens that these punishments can carry over from generation to generation. Darkness has a long memory when It feels It has been slighted. According to Its Bible, Darkness is biased in favour of the Jews and, therefore, prejudiced against non-Jews. If, as Darkness claims in the Bible, It is the god of all creation, then It is very unjust that It favours some of Its creation and punishes others of Its own creation.

In several passages of Genesis, Darkness is shown to encourage and reward fraud and deception. For instance, after Abraham deceived pharaoh by pretending his wife was his sister, which deception enticed pharaoh to desire to wed Sarah, Abraham was blessed by Darkness. Genesis 12:12-19. Rebekah and Jacob deceived Isaac into giving his blessing to Jacob instead of to his firstborn, Esau, and that blessing carries on through the entire Bible. See: Genesis Chapter 27. These, and certain other deceivers in the Bible were rewarded by Darkness even after they committed fraud.

Darkness demanded the sacrifice of Isaac, Abraham's son. If the extant Bible's version is to be believed, this was supposedly only a test of Abraham's devotion to Darkness. Even if it were only a test, putting Abraham and his family through such terrible emotional trauma is evil. Genesis 22:1-13.

Darkness proudly admits to assisting certain tribes in slaughtering thousands and thousands of people. If these were all Its children, why would It want them slaughtered? Why does Darkness thrive on physical death?

To understand why there is so much fighting and death in the Bible, one should consider that there are several alien races on the Earth. Darkness favours certain alien races over others because It is a warring god and derives satisfaction, pleasure and energy from watching beings suffer. Humans have been programmed by Darkness to also derive pleasure from watching or participating in executions, bullfights, gladiatorial contests and engagement in wars, as well as other abominable activities. Darkness also thrives upon human unrest.

Darkness has created various alien races whose purposes are to conquer various planets in the Virtual Reality. The Anunnaki are the chosen ones of Darkness because they are the ones who have been created to most closely resemble the essences of Darkness. They are sly, deceptive, cruel, cunning, greedy, hedonistic, hateful, selfish, power-hungry and bloodthirsty.

The time for the separation of True-Light beings from Matter is now. As I have written before, the artificially induced Indian Ocean Tsunami was the First Major Cataclysmic Event, which signalled that we are in the Original Revelation.

Darkness could not give a time frame for Armageddon and what was to come in the Bible because the True Light would not reveal this information. Therefore, the Bible is shrouded in mystery pertaining to the time when Armageddon would occur. Further, Darkness has attempted to change what Armageddon is - the separation of True-Light beings from Matter. Darkness has corrupted this and turned Its version of Armageddon into a gruesome, physical war.

There are many who accept this to be true. However, there are not so many who know that the Revelation in the extant Bible is corrupted. Those who believe in the correctness of the version of the book contained in the extant Bible are in for a devastating disappointment.

John the Divine is an Attas of the True Light who compiled a book of his divinational-visions into what was then the Original Revelation. Darkness realized that the energy contained in John's book was from the True Light and saw the danger of having it remain intact on the Earth. However, Darkness wanted to include this book in the Bible for Its own agenda. Therefore, Darkness sent out Its agents to tamper with John the Divine's Original Revelation by adding things to it and subtracting things from it to suit Its purposes. They have also fragmented the writing by breaking it into chapters and verses in an attempt to alter its energy.

Among the purposes of John's original book was to undo some of the corruption that had already been done to the teachings of Jesus, and to prepare people for the upcoming energy battle of Armageddon. It gave a blueprint of what would happen.

Some might ask who John was to correct the wrongs that had already been done to Jesus' teachings. John the Divine is the same being as Jesus. In his physical lifetime, he was the returned Christ. Jesus has returned many times since his lifetime as John the Divine, and he had been to Earth many times previous to his lifetime as Jesus. Further, Jesus is on Earth today.

Darkness has altered what Jesus did in every lifetime he lived on the Earth. Shortly after Daniel - who is the same being as Jesus - prophesized the end times, Darkness began altering that book. Darkness knew that if Daniel's predictions were left intact, what he wrote would come to pass. Since Darkness did not like the outcome - the separation of True-Light beings from False-Light beings and the ultimate collapse of Darkness - It had Its agents alter Daniel's prophecies to give Darkness a fighting chance. The events and the outcome in the extant Daniel and in the extant Revelation are purposely corrupted to present a version that makes Darkness the victor, because readers are deceived into thinking that Darkness is the True Light.

Darkness has always known that very few people would follow It if It clearly identified Itself as a rebellious being that broke away from the True Light, and overlaid Its pseudo-creation over the True-Light Creation with which to trap True-Light beings. Therefore, Darkness began making Itself appear to be the True-Light God by deceiving nearly everyone in the world about Its nature. Although Darkness is in opposition to the True Light, It tries to usurp and pretends to be the True Light.

The True Light has Divine qualities that Darkness opposes with Its own evil qualities. Darkness counters Divine Love with worldly emotional love, but It pretends that Its emotional love is really Divine Love. It counters Divine Peace with war. Darkness pretends to be peace loving, when, in fact, It is a demigod of war. Divine Truth is countered with lies, deceit and fraud. Hence, Darkness is a demiurge of deception.

Moses offered his people the message that there was a single, Divine Being of Purity, Love and Light. This message was later corrupted by Darkness into the type of monotheism that appears in the extant Bible. With these alterations, Yahweh became the god of the Hebrews. Yahweh fostered slavery, deception, brutality, cruelty, the belittling and stoning of women. Yahweh loves sacrifices and demands obedience and worship of It as the only god because he is a self-declared jealous god.


Namaste

[miracles]

No the bible isn't the devils tool, people are.

Yes the bible has been irrefutably proven to be the word of God, so stop posing idiotic questions that where dealt with well over 100 years ago. This is the mark of satan - "did God really say that....? Shut up!! Satan get behind me!!

Mincepaste.

You people are looking for loop holes so that you can hold onto your sinfulness and wickedness because you love darkness and hate the light. How do I know that? Because the irrefutable word of God has spoken and He tells me so. Repent ye evil doers for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Stop blaspheming and purgering the word of almighty God. It is only satan that can cast doubt on the word of God, but He can not change it or alter it. (people do yes) But the word of God has been perserved. Mark you.

[kimball13]

yet it is the tool of the devil just as it is the tool of a Godly mans study to put on the whole armour of God.

it is written right in the bible that it would be used by the devils workers in these times.

anther thing is all the word bible means is colletion of 66 books, decided by a council that has turned into a den of pedophiles, so.

i dont think it is inspired by satan yet it has been manipulated by the enemy, includeing changeing words just as it is written not to do, yet even because of this God's devine intelect still has snuch in the truth, or at least embeded enough in the Bible to still hold water,,,,,,,,but then to know this and see it you must read it as a child without adult interpetations, but for most that is impossible until they are humbled,,,,,,so there you have it the wise will be made fools, and fools will be made wise. sometimes all it takes is humility;)

study and yo uwill find what ive shared is the irefutiable truth whether your atheist or devote or even an entirely diffent way,,,,,,,oh ya, christ said there would even be those save not of his flock,,,,,,,,,uh oh does this meen hethen ssavages kinda like Native americans and such,,,,,,:cool:


just as with any tool or weopon boht sides can use it, its your choice just like God said as well as the consequences of certain actions, so create or destroy its your choice but expect to suffer or reap.

[kimball13]

No the bible isn't the devils tool, people are.

Yes the bible has been irrefutably proven to be the word of God, so stop posing idiotic questions that where dealt with well over 100 years ago. This is the mark fo satan - "did God really say that....? Shut up!! Satan get behind me!!

Mincepaste.

You people are looking for loop holes so that you can hold onto your sinfulness and wickedness because you lovee darkness and hate the light. How do I know that? Becuase the irrefutable word of God has spoken and He tells me so. Repent ye evil doers for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Stop blaspheming and purgering the word of almighty God. It is only satan that cant cast doubt on the word of God, but He can not change it or alter it. (people do yes) But the word of God has been perserved. Mark you.


i agree the word of God is preserved,,,,but the Bible has been sorely missused as well as perverted even in its translation let alone books left out that should have been included, includeing the Bood of Enoch of which is mentioned in the bible, so why is it not there.

[hadabusa]

No the bible isn't the devils tool, people are.

Yes the bible has been irrefutably proven to be the word of God, so stop posing idiotic questions
that is it.
this goes into my signature.

[miracles]

i agree the word of God is preserved,,,,but the Bible has been sorely missused as well as perverted even in its translation let alone books left out that should have been included, includeing the Bood of Enoch of which is mentioned in the bible, so why is it not there.


I dont agree, the 66 books are bible (ie the word of God), not the other gnostic rubbish, and the council of nicea catholic peaedophiles did not decide upon that God did. There is a numerical pattern than runs throughout all of Gods word, and it is not ther in the books that are not included. Funny that. :cool:

[miracles]

that is it.
this goes into my signature.
Ill believe that when I see it:D

[hadabusa]

Ill believe that when I see it:D
look

[kidsarocker]

Unravelling the Bible has been an age-long exercise. The inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible can make it difficult to comprehend. To gather understanding of it, it is important to realize that the Bible is a work in progress that contains certain energies. Sometimes the nature of these energies can be readily discerned from the literal words of the book, and other times the energies are more subtle. At times the energies are in opposition to the words.

Is the Bible really the word of God? If your answer is "yes", then is it a perfect rendition of God's word containing no errors whatsoever? In other words, is the Bible infallible?

The doctrine of infallibility has been adopted at times by the Catholic Church, such as when it mandates that the pope is infallible. Anyone who has some understanding of human nature knows that there is not one human who is infallible. Yet, the doctrine stands.

There are those who declare that the Bible is the word of God. Anyone who disagrees with them can expect to be ridiculed, attacked and perhaps be referred to as an agent of Satan. The problem is that people have been so brainwashed by the ruling elite that they will parrot defence of the Bible, regardless of the amount of evidence proving that it is not God's word.

It would assist those trying to make sense of the Bible to consider that there are two voices in the Bible - the Voice of the God of the True Light, the Divine Being of Purity - and the Voice of Darkness. When Darkness speaks, It masquerades as the True Light, which has confounded many readers. When one reads the extant Bible with this understanding, many of the inconsistencies and contradictions dissipate.

Some contradictions in the Bible occur because the two voices are in opposition and are clashing. Other times Darkness has inadvertently placed contradictions into the book - or has intentionally inserted them to cause confusion and unrest.

Most religions or philosophies that seek Truth have layers and layers of "the onion" to peel away. People need to go deeper and deeper to get through all the layers of mysterious things. However, the mystery is never solved.

Esoteric teachings expound stories of creation and godhood and the explanation of the apparent existence of evil. The stories are clouded with such detailed mystery that people get lost in the explanations and put them aside as mysteries. Can the explanation of the godhead and the hierarchy of beings from the godhead be neatly organized and put into writing for people to understand? Of course not. Yet, many religions contain full accounts of the beginnings of creation, often with detailed descriptions of the hierarchy of angels and other high beings. The promoters of these religions are deluding themselves and others. Darkness thrives on this because it is a trap instigated by Darkness.

Things pertaining to the Divine cannot be fully comprehended and conveyed in earthly language on this level. Only high beings of the True Light who temporarily took on physical bodies, such as Jesus, Moses or Luria, were able to get glimpses of the True Divine Creation. Knowledge about the Divine is not something any Tom, Dick or Harry can accurately receive or faithfully transcribe. Nor can psychics, astral beings or so-called guides from the astral or other realms in the Universal Dodecahedron grasp or comprehend it, much less dispense it. Yet, the literature and channelled materials are full of pseudo-knowledge about what god is and what god is not. Darkness also thrives on this because this, too, is a part of Darkness' plan.

For eons messengers of the True Light have given the same basic message that is briefly stated as follows: If Darkness continues to hold True-Light beings spiritually hostage, there will be a forced separation of True Light from Darkness. This basic message was intolerable to Darkness, which did everything It could to suppress and distort it.

There were four fundamental things about the message that bothered Darkness. First, it showed that Darkness was a rebellious being that had turned away from the True Light. Second, it identified Darkness as the energy that was in control of the Earth. Third, it exposed Darkness as having trapped True-Light beings and holding them prisoners. Fourth, it showed that one day the True Light would rescue Its viable True-Light beings from Darkness and separate them from Matter (Evil). The separation would ultimately cause Darkness to dissolve into oblivion.

Darkness had already separated the various bands and tribes of people on Earth by giving them different languages so they could not effectively communicate with one another. Darkness also inspired the various tribes and bands to distrust one another and encouraged warfare amongst them.

Despite the difficulties that Darkness put forward, the True-Light message persisted and continued to kindle in some groups. To suppress even this small amount of Truth, Darkness used many agents who suppressed and corrupted the True-Light message. This has been done time after time after time. However, a glimmer of the message would occasionally remain and be held by a small group that would resonate to the message. Darkness would then send Its agents out to destroy these small groups because It does all It can to hide Truth. Darkness is relentless in Its persecution of Truth.

There were many small bands of non-literate people on the planet, and it was a difficult task for Darkness to deny each group access to Truth. Darkness needed a more effective method of combating and corrupting Truth on the Earth, so It had Its agents, the Anunnaki, bring down written language to the world. Some of the Anunnaki brought down hieroglyphic languages, whilst others presented the world with alphabets. That is, written languages did NOT evolve on the Earth, they were introduced by higher alien intelligence. However, there was subsequent modification and development of the languages by humans.

It was with the written word that Darkness planned Its battle against the True Light. With the benefit of the written word, Darkness could formulate a systematic method of corrupting messages bearing Truth on the Earth. Darkness then invented recorded history. Prior to that, there were only oral legends and myths as handed down from father to son or mother to daughter. Darkness would not continue to risk having legends handed down through parents because they might try to pass Truth to their offspring. Hence, Darkness planted recorded events on the Earth. Recorded events did not necessarily get handed down through families, so it was much easier to encourage the historians to pass down less accurate myths and legends.

Everyone who has studied history closely realizes that it is slanted to benefit the authors of it. For instance, an American history book discussing the American Revolution paints the picture of brave colonists, who, despite the tremendous odds against them, threw off the tyrannical chains George III had bound them in. A British version of the same event shows something very different indeed. Likewise, a Japanese history of that nation's invasion of China reads very differently from a Chinese history about the Japanese invasion of their homeland. The examples of this are countless, and undeniable. Whilst these conflicting accounts might explain in the broadest terms what happened, their overall imports seem to describe totally different events. In short, history is often unreliable and extremely biased. Darkness planned it to be this way to suit Its purposes.

Darkness suspected Its days were numbered, and the True-Light message confirmed this suspicion. Therefore, Darkness sought to alter this message in the hope that It could change the inevitable separation of True-Light beings from False-Light beings. Darkness is deluded into thinking that It is the Source. However, Darkness also knows that It must receive nourishment from the True Light to sustain Itself. Darkness sought to change Its past, present and future by altering the True-Light's message with written words, thereby giving Darkness a better chance in the war between Good and Evil.

Of prime importance to Darkness is to convince as many people as possible that there is no absolute evil. Darkness is able to make a strong argument in this regard because Darkness has become so deluded in Its self-imposed prison, known as the Universal Dodecahedron, that It thinks that It is the creator of everything. Given that mindset, it becomes clearer why Darkness thinks there is no evil. It does not see Itself as evil - It is in self-denial about that.

What Darkness perceives is that It expresses in both positive and negative qualities, and that these are just different sides of the same coin. Therefore, Darkness has formulated a monotheistic doctrine in which It is everything - Light and Darkness, which is all rolled into one being. I have called the light expressed by Darkness the False-Light. It is the expression of a self-admitted emotional, jealous, warring, vindictive, murderous, prejudiced deity. To Darkness, this is light, because Darkness does not express True Love or True Peace. In other words, the best expression one can hope for from Darkness is bundled into the qualities of jealousy, greed, worldly power, conditional love based upon Darkness' created emotions, etc.

With Darkness playing both saviour and devil, it is easy to see why the corrupted version of the Revelation calls for a New Jerusalem, which is to be constructed of Matter. The New Jerusalem would only be the latest version of the Earth that Darkness would create. Darkness has started Its creation over and over whenever things became too chaotic, or whenever the True Light had brought down sufficient energy so that the inhabitants began getting close to discovering the Truth. Darkness then caused cataclysmic events that allowed It to wipe out nearly all knowledge of the past, to cover up the old footprints and start anew.

It is no wonder that so many who have attempted to sort out the purpose of life have ended their searches in despair, or ended up going down one of the myriad of traps set up by Darkness in anticipation of deceiving the deeper searchers. Most never see through the mazes of deception that Darkness has used to obstruct any who search for Truth. Those who begin to get a glimmer of what this world is about would most certainly despair.

Prophecies in the Bible can either be based upon messages from the True Light or messages from representatives of Darkness. If the message comes from a True-Light being such as Moses, Daniel, Jesus or John the Divine, then Darkness corrupts and edits the message so that it is no longer recognizable. However, when a False-Light being such as Ezekiel presents the message, it is generally not corrupted because it is already giving out faulty information to benefit Darkness. Further, agents of Darkness can often be identified by their "fire and brimstone" messages, although these days they often hide behind the façade of love, peace and harmony. The False-Light prophets present future events in the way Darkness wants people to believe they will occur.

Darkness corrupted the Original Revelation of John the Divine in many ways, including adding in the idea of the construction of a New Jerusalem in which peace and harmony would reign for 1,000 years before It unleashed the Devil again. It makes no sense whatsoever for a loving God to release such a dangerous entity to again prey upon humankind, but it makes perfect sense for such an evil deity to do so. After all, in releasing the Devil, It would only be releasing the negative side of Itself to again cause suffering and misery. Of course, the word of this deity is not to be trusted, so the 1,000-year promise of peace could turn out to be something much shorter, especially for a deity that is so war-mongering.

Darkness is constantly re-creating Its domain, seeking, among other things, to find the optimum mix of suffering and conflict with the minimum amount of happiness. In this "ideal" world there would be minimal chance of Truth being discovered. To bring this about, Darkness sought out "chosen ones" to hide the Truth with the written word. It was through these "chosen ones" that Darkness would keep an historical record of the past and present, and make prophecies about the future. These "chosen ones" were given an alphabet and a written language to make records of history that suited Darkness.

The recording of Darkness' history, current and future events has been relatively recent. For instance, catastrophic events have swept the Earth in the past, such as when the dinosaurs became extinct. There is ample evidence that the Earth has been revolving around the sun for a long, long time, yet Darkness' "chosen ones" have recorded a history to make it appear to many that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. Darkness has impressed Its "chosen ones" to load the historic register with an unbroken string of events and genealogy. One might ask how could a chronological record of the beginning of creation survive. The answer is that the chronology presented was only recently constructed.

Darkness is a warring energy. Many times the True Light has attempted to retrieve Darkness from Its self-constructed prison we know as the Virtual Reality. However, Darkness refuses to walk in the True Light. It is totally opposed to the True Light.

The True Light has journeyed into the Virtual Reality many times to try to retrieve Darkness through Divine Love, but It has always rejected the True Light and tried to corrupt everything in Its presence. So, finally, the True Light commenced the separation process to retrieve all the viable True-Light beings in order to salvage them from Darkness.

Darkness detests the True Light and always tries to squash Truth in this domain so that It can continue to trap and retain Its prisoners and slaves. This is an important point in understanding the Bible.

The dominant Voice or Force in the Bible is the Voice of Darkness. It is the energy that created the Earth and the physical dimension. It is the Voice that claims that the new heaven will be in an earthly form. Sprinkled throughout the chants of Darkness are some gems that the True Light has presented on the Earth. Darkness has allowed some of the messages from True-Light beings to be included in the Bible in order to attract more True-Light beings into the main religions of the Bible - Judaism and Christianity.

Where Darkness has permitted messages from the True Light to be included in the Bible, It has generally given them a twist to confuse and confound searchers and to suit Its purposes. Darkness has added or removed words to the messages to deceive followers into believing that Jesus and other prophets of the True Light uttered things and acted in ways that are contrary to their Divine essences. The insertions and deletions are man-made and not inspirations from the Divine Source.

There are many things that Darkness has inserted into the Bible that identify Its very nature. It proudly announces that It is a jealous god that punishes those who dare to disobey or displease It. Darkness threatens that these punishments can carry over from generation to generation. Darkness has a long memory when It feels It has been slighted. According to Its Bible, Darkness is biased in favour of the Jews and, therefore, prejudiced against non-Jews. If, as Darkness claims in the Bible, It is the god of all creation, then It is very unjust that It favours some of Its creation and punishes others of Its own creation.

In several passages of Genesis, Darkness is shown to encourage and reward fraud and deception. For instance, after Abraham deceived pharaoh by pretending his wife was his sister, which deception enticed pharaoh to desire to wed Sarah, Abraham was blessed by Darkness. Genesis 12:12-19. Rebekah and Jacob deceived Isaac into giving his blessing to Jacob instead of to his firstborn, Esau, and that blessing carries on through the entire Bible. See: Genesis Chapter 27. These, and certain other deceivers in the Bible were rewarded by Darkness even after they committed fraud.

Darkness demanded the sacrifice of Isaac, Abraham's son. If the extant Bible's version is to be believed, this was supposedly only a test of Abraham's devotion to Darkness. Even if it were only a test, putting Abraham and his family through such terrible emotional trauma is evil. Genesis 22:1-13.

Darkness proudly admits to assisting certain tribes in slaughtering thousands and thousands of people. If these were all Its children, why would It want them slaughtered? Why does Darkness thrive on physical death?

To understand why there is so much fighting and death in the Bible, one should consider that there are several alien races on the Earth. Darkness favours certain alien races over others because It is a warring god and derives satisfaction, pleasure and energy from watching beings suffer. Humans have been programmed by Darkness to also derive pleasure from watching or participating in executions, bullfights, gladiatorial contests and engagement in wars, as well as other abominable activities. Darkness also thrives upon human unrest.

Darkness has created various alien races whose purposes are to conquer various planets in the Virtual Reality. The Anunnaki are the chosen ones of Darkness because they are the ones who have been created to most closely resemble the essences of Darkness. They are sly, deceptive, cruel, cunning, greedy, hedonistic, hateful, selfish, power-hungry and bloodthirsty.

The time for the separation of True-Light beings from Matter is now. As I have written before, the artificially induced Indian Ocean Tsunami was the First Major Cataclysmic Event, which signalled that we are in the Original Revelation.

Darkness could not give a time frame for Armageddon and what was to come in the Bible because the True Light would not reveal this information. Therefore, the Bible is shrouded in mystery pertaining to the time when Armageddon would occur. Further, Darkness has attempted to change what Armageddon is - the separation of True-Light beings from Matter. Darkness has corrupted this and turned Its version of Armageddon into a gruesome, physical war.

There are many who accept this to be true. However, there are not so many who know that the Revelation in the extant Bible is corrupted. Those who believe in the correctness of the version of the book contained in the extant Bible are in for a devastating disappointment.

John the Divine is an Attas of the True Light who compiled a book of his divinational-visions into what was then the Original Revelation. Darkness realized that the energy contained in John's book was from the True Light and saw the danger of having it remain intact on the Earth. However, Darkness wanted to include this book in the Bible for Its own agenda. Therefore, Darkness sent out Its agents to tamper with John the Divine's Original Revelation by adding things to it and subtracting things from it to suit Its purposes. They have also fragmented the writing by breaking it into chapters and verses in an attempt to alter its energy.

Among the purposes of John's original book was to undo some of the corruption that had already been done to the teachings of Jesus, and to prepare people for the upcoming energy battle of Armageddon. It gave a blueprint of what would happen.

Some might ask who John was to correct the wrongs that had already been done to Jesus' teachings. John the Divine is the same being as Jesus. In his physical lifetime, he was the returned Christ. Jesus has returned many times since his lifetime as John the Divine, and he had been to Earth many times previous to his lifetime as Jesus. Further, Jesus is on Earth today.

Darkness has altered what Jesus did in every lifetime he lived on the Earth. Shortly after Daniel - who is the same being as Jesus - prophesized the end times, Darkness began altering that book. Darkness knew that if Daniel's predictions were left intact, what he wrote would come to pass. Since Darkness did not like the outcome - the separation of True-Light beings from False-Light beings and the ultimate collapse of Darkness - It had Its agents alter Daniel's prophecies to give Darkness a fighting chance. The events and the outcome in the extant Daniel and in the extant Revelation are purposely corrupted to present a version that makes Darkness the victor, because readers are deceived into thinking that Darkness is the True Light.

Darkness has always known that very few people would follow It if It clearly identified Itself as a rebellious being that broke away from the True Light, and overlaid Its pseudo-creation over the True-Light Creation with which to trap True-Light beings. Therefore, Darkness began making Itself appear to be the True-Light God by deceiving nearly everyone in the world about Its nature. Although Darkness is in opposition to the True Light, It tries to usurp and pretends to be the True Light.

The True Light has Divine qualities that Darkness opposes with Its own evil qualities. Darkness counters Divine Love with worldly emotional love, but It pretends that Its emotional love is really Divine Love. It counters Divine Peace with war. Darkness pretends to be peace loving, when, in fact, It is a demigod of war. Divine Truth is countered with lies, deceit and fraud. Hence, Darkness is a demiurge of deception.

Moses offered his people the message that there was a single, Divine Being of Purity, Love and Light. This message was later corrupted by Darkness into the type of monotheism that appears in the extant Bible. With these alterations, Yahweh became the god of the Hebrews. Yahweh fostered slavery, deception, brutality, cruelty, the belittling and stoning of women. Yahweh loves sacrifices and demands obedience and worship of It as the only god because he is a self-declared jealous god.


Namaste

The bible replaced the Torah and the Qur'an replaced the Bible because the Bible got corrupted just as Christianity got infiltrated, the Qur'an is the only book that has not been corrupted because since it was written - God vowed to protect the words and in turn it is every muslim's duty to memorise the qur'an, so it was impossible to change, remove or add to the Qur'an

[miracles]

look
Brilliant Ill be more famous than I already am. Thanks for carrying the message, it's all good pr. :p

[lottie]

The bible replaced the Torah and the Qur'an replaced the Bible because the Bible got corrupted just as Christianity got infiltrated, the Qur'an is the only book that has not been corrupted because since it was written - God vowed to protect the words and in turn it is every muslim's duty to memorise the qur'an, so it was impossible to change, remove or add to the Qur'an

Exactamondo!! :D

[thirdwave]

But that does not mean that it was not a corrupt document from the world go... where their was no requirement to change it.

It was written hundreds of years after the bible... there for any interlink with it is no shock, the righter only needed to read the bible to have a view point on it.

And its clear that ever since the Koran was written there has been War around it, and currently today it still creates war, Just because there are a few decent family folk who take warmth from it, it does not change the other facts... sadly while there are faiths were judgement on others are a huge part of it, then there will always be conflict, unless religion is completely cut down to size and taken away from politics and powerful institutions..

[deadskinball]

Hey miracles,

I noticed you have disabled private messages.

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I'm outta here. Too many freakin' fucking nutcases. I am going to commit forum suicide very very soon since this place is just too far out in the 'left' (read: fucked in the head) field for me to try and reason and make sense of people.

See ya and stay strong even if i don't agree with you, you have put many a smile on my face.

DeadSkinBall

[miracles]

Exactamondo!! :D
Exactamonda if you happen to be a muslim, yes no doubt, how convienient. So you think that after two coruptions, the third attempt IE the Quran is God final message to the world? Yes I know you do but it's wishful thinking.

The Quran is a plagurism of the Torah, that's quite well known.

The bible has been well preserved inspite of many so called attempts to have it done away with and discredited. Isalm is the biggest cult on earth. Sorry nothing personal. Just the facts.

The bible cleary states when that which has perfect has come IE (the finished canon of scripture) there will be no more prophesies or prophets. Mohamed is a shill of the highest order.

Oh! Some blokes just arrived at my door wrapped in explosives and aeroplanes, Alahuckbar!!!.

[miracles]

Hey miracles,

I noticed you have disabled private messages.

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I'm outta here. Too many freakin' fucking nutcases. I am going to commit forum suicide very very soon since this place is just too far out in the 'left' (read: fucked in the head) field for me to try and reason and make sense of people.

See ya and stay strong even if i don't agree with you, you have put many a smile on my face.

DeadSkinBall
I hear ya bro, take care man. I didnt realise people couldnt send me their privates. :D (probably just as well knowing the public fanmail I get huh???) Actually I asked the admin to render me inactive yesturday, no response yet. You've put a smile on my face too buddy, be good. No throwing bibles in pools. LOL

PS did you get some nice textured paper for my poem?? (that was some of your best work)

[lottie]

Exactamonda if you happen to be a muslim, yes no doubt, how convienient. So you think that after two coruptions, the third attempt IE the Quran is God final message to the world? Yes I know you do but it's wishful thinking.

The Quran is a plagurism of the Torah, that's quite well known.

The bible has been well preserved inspite of many so called attempts to have it done away with and discredited. Isalm is the biggest cult on earth. Sorry nothing personal. Just the facts.

The bible cleary states when that which has perfect has come IE (the finished canon of scripture) there will be no more prophesies or prophets. Mohamed is a shill of the highest order.


Im done with debating religion... but highly entitled to express my opinion... as you are too... ;)

[tannah]

No the bible isn't the devils tool, people are.

Yes the bible has been irrefutably proven to be the word of God, so stop posing idiotic questions that where dealt with well over 100 years ago. This is the mark of satan - "did God really say that....? Shut up!! Satan get behind me!!


Dude, you're as bad as any two bit dictator that the earth has produced. Saddam looked after his own, and killed the men women and children of the oppositions. Jehovah and Allah do the same. And you're just another creep in the same mould. You render arguments against what you believe as irrelevant and from "satan". The only reason you're here is to bash those that don't believe your bible and Paninism. Discoursing with you is so futile that one can only respond by telling you what a closed minded litle dictator type you are. Or not to post to you at all. But then, it's always the blind posers like you that end up hogging all the attention on forums.



You people are looking for loop holes so that you can hold onto your sinfulness and wickedness because you love darkness and hate the light. How do I know that? Because the irrefutable word of God has spoken and He tells me so. Repent ye evil doers for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Honestly, go smear your poop all over your front door.


Stop blaspheming and purgering the word of almighty God. It is only satan that can cast doubt on the word of God, but He can not change it or alter it. (people do yes) But the word of God has been perserved. Mark you.


Well it ain't been preserved in the bible or quran, or any other book really.
We see through it. And all you have done on the forum is to pretend people insult you when they simply laugh at your two bit dictator speil. it's no insult to see through the BS and to point out why.

You insult others by calling them satanists. I can only assume that telling you to go screw yourself is a poor insult to respond with towards such arrogance as your own. Even so, your persona and message suck big time.

[miracles]

Dude, you're as bad as any two bit dictator that the earth has produced. Saddam looked after his own, and killed the men women and children of the oppositions. Jehovah and Allah do the same. And you're just another creep in the same mould. You render arguments against what you believe as irrelevant and from "satan". The only reason you're here is to bash those that don't believe your bible and Paninism. Discoursing with you is so futile that one can only respond by telling you what a closed minded litle dictator type you are. Or not to post to you at all. But then, it's always the blind posers like you that end up hogging all the attention on forums.


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Honestly, go smear your poop all over your front door.





Well it ain't been preserved in the bible or quran, or any other book really.
We see through it. And all you have done on the forum is to pretend people insult you when they simply laugh at your two bit dictator speil. it's no insult to see through the BS and to point out why.

You insult others by calling them satanists. I can only assume that telling you to go screw yourself is a poor insult to respond with towards such arrogance as your own. Even so, your persona and message suck big time.

Tannah, your the creepiest twisted little creep being Ive ever come accross

[miracles]

Im done with debating religion... but highly entitled to express my opinion... as you are too... ;)
Exactamundo :cool:

PS how did you get done debating religion? Is there a pill I can take or a course I go on. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[tannah]

Tannah, your the creepiest twisted little creep being Ive ever come accross

Blah blah. I can actually find the posts where you do show what a creep you are.:) You know, when you say we can't have an opinion on a certain subject, because it isn't ours. When any reasonable question is met with the "insult" stuff.

What's really creepy about you Miracles is that you should think I'm the creepiest wotnot you've encountered. I'll guarentee you that is not supported by how I post. What I think you're saying is that you're so up your own ass about having the truth and any challenge must be of the devil, that you'd consider an honest amicable little thing like me to be creepy.:D

[miracles]

blah blah. I can actually find the posts where you do show what a creep you are.:) you know, when you say we can't have an opinion on a certain subject, because it isn't ours. When any reasonable question is met with the "insult" stuff.

What's really creepy about you miracles is that you should think i'm the creepiest wotnot you've encountered. I'll guarentee you that is not supported by how i post. What i think you're saying is that you're so up your own ass about having the truth and any challenge must be of the devil, that you'd consider an honest amicable little thing like me to be creepy.:d

ignored! Same old tripe from you as per......change the record. Its hurting my ears. You started with the insults again creep. Again as per usual. And I've got a bug in my computer from that stupid link you gave me to look at. Figures. You probably did it on purpose.

[kimball13]

I dont agree, the 66 books are bible (ie the word of God), not the other gnostic rubbish, and the council of nicea catholic peaedophiles did not decide upon that God did. There is a numerical pattern than runs throughout all of Gods word, and it is not ther in the books that are not included. Funny that. :cool:


is that why that didnt occur until i believ 1564 or was it 1654 that the chapter and verse rubish started,,,,,,,,,,,,,,actualy the word bible does mean 66 books of which enoch is mentioned as well as his work so where is his story and book,,,,,,oh ya to many miricls and descriptions of what nephlim are dont want to frighten the kiddies;)

the bible of 66 books you speak of was also translated by puratins in the charge of kingjames and then the catholics sent assasins to kill of translators until King James allowed a group of catholic translators to do there deed,,,,,,,,,,so a spy game in just the translation which was done in both greek and latin,,,,,,,,,,so word of God in sections and as a whole yes but the bible being what was commanded about not changing one word did not happen, as well as many leaning on there own understanding or the understanding of less richeouse people.

ya the numerical patern your refering to was put there by satan to turn the wise into fools,,,,,,,duh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now paterns what about how one word is realy a book, the 3 dimensional version of the letters and words,,,,,,,oh ya that teaching died with the pharasies because of there fear and arrogance. so what you are talking about is a numerical patern put there less than 700 years ago,,,,,,,,oh ya you have eyes but do not see or ears to understand so you rely ion math get it,,,,,,,,,,its called the WORD of God not the math of God. math and division is satans tools of choice,,,,,,,,,,check out every 13th verse or pick your favorite number and you will find a patern in the good book,,,,,,,,why not understand what 144000 is, or 24 elders,,,,,,,heck you dont even understand this and you speak numerical paterns,,,,,,,,,,,,the hatred satan has for me has caused me to be this anamant about this because if sat and listen to all the lies and missinterpetations,,,,,,,,,,,,now who is the heavenly son of man,,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya the name is Jehoel but go find that,,,,,,,oh ya most didnt even know who the rider on the white horse is,,,,,,,,,,for every real one there is a counterfeit, etc type dealy,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh by the way there are not fractions or decimals in nature or creation,,,,,,but then im ot a mathmatician and that is why,,,,,,,,so is the patern in the dead sea scrolls and if so you are mistaken because there is to much missing to dicern a patern as complex as God, i can recognize God's work but to think i can predict the great mysteries of God himself would mean i could manipulate God, wasnt it satan that thought that maybe it was math that did it,,,,,,,maybe the truth is math was jeoulouse of the word,,,,,,,,oops shouldnt have said that now its going to be us agains them in words and math,,,,,,,,but then ive heard preist try to justifie there sins by saying dont lean on your understanding and such to children, so be carefull if someone says that because there telling you to lean on theres then they say it was your choice to do so, then there is the flattery net stuff,,,,,,,oh ya should i go on withthe warnings about just understanding scriptures that God himself gives,,,,,even moses knew this.

Mankind has almost forgotten God in his glory and mystery and believes he can see and hear,,,,,your all to bussy finding who is got the latest greatest following or some established proven blasphemouse church,,,,,,,oh ya sure about hte pope his title is a sin in itself,,,,,,while evryone was submitting to social influences and such i was observing why people were so cruel and didnot coprehend truth,,,,they acted like it but when truth was realy spoken the cringed and acted like they did not hear it but there physical response showed the demon that had hold of thems discomfort,,,,,,,,,,,,first and formost the Word must be written on your heart and last time i checked there are no chapters and verses in the heart...........im not judging iim just expressing my own experience and i have a knee jerk reaction at times which is what allot of christians do to from the constant stigma nowadays,,,,,,,,,i dont call myself a modern christian i am more of the way type of person just as christ advised,,,,,,,,i dont pray to christ nor do i worship him,,,,,,,,i do honor him and respect him as a great (the greatest)spritual leader that man has known,,,,,,,he is talked about in tibetin texts and such,,,,,,,Dali lamas even acknoledge him with comments like, it would take a Lama 10 consecutive lifetimes without dying just to come close to being as enlightend as Jesus Christ is,,,,,,,,,,so funny how he had similar conversations with the pharasees as a boy,,,,,,,and what happend for almost 18 years,,,,,,,,,,funny when i saw hitchickers guid to the galaxy funny riddle about 42 being the answer i knew imediatly what it ment,,,,,,,,,,heres a clue it is refering to Christ Jesus he is 42,,,,,,so the God code you speak of is found in creation not in just numbers and forumulais,,,,,,,,,,re-read the good book with the eyes of a child by yourself with no other person interpeting it and i am positve you will be reading an entirely new book,,,,,,,but only if you can come to God as a child to gain understanding,,,,,,the problem here is most if not almost all cannot do this,now, because of indoctranation and such as well as not learning as a child when they are an adult,,,,,,,,,,,,it never said go to another man for understanding of God's word it says go to God, write the word on your heart, do not lean on your own understanding(he is saying this to an adult learning not a child),,,,,,i had no influence to start but the bible and God,,,,,,i am greatfull for this, i have also corrected many so called pastors ands such, but there pride and ego brought them down because they imediatly thought they could just go whith there own understanding again.

What the bible is, it is just a trouble shooting book,,,,,you know like two green blinks and a blue one means starter is out type thing and a way to correct it,,,,,but then i learned about God first then society and such, so i can see when it truely is God or satan, as well as my own understanding of which i am guilty of myself at times, but the differnce is i know when this is happening.

So realy im only trying to help with a common mistake done by most bible thumpers,,,,,,,,,it says to give glory to God, but it also says do not pray repatitiosly yet unseasingly so realy just define just that.....God wants you to give him the glory but speak your own words and if they are true then the written word will back it up,,,,,,most of you just study your buts of to act as if you know, and such, God is not a study or cram course you can study for an understanding,,,,,,,ya study and meditate but dont beat people down with it............and this is a personal relationship........i cant wait for either a fck you your stupid or a food for thought comment,,,,,and yes God's word is infalible, but mans is includeing when he writes,,,,but if the word is written on the heart there is always salvation and room for correction, but when priide and arrogance of understanding is in the way the sin and satan take hold and dirrect sooner or later and create mathmatical formulays to slowely dirrect and fool you because of a fals wisdom,,,,,,,,,,,,and the wise will be made fools and fools made wise,,,,,,,,,,,,so that may mean out of millions of so callled experts if one is write and they fight him and by doing that find that he is write would that not make them look foolish and he that stood alone with God by his side that was once looked on as a fool is now wise to many,,,,unless they have to much pride to believe the world is round.

[tannah]

ignored! Same old tripe from you as per......change the record. Its hurting my ears. You started with the insults again creep. Again as per usual. And I've got a bug in my computer from that stupid link you gave me to look at. Figures. You probably did it on purpose.

Don't talk BS. Your feeling of superiority is phoney.

There is no bug at the download page of the Apostolic Gnosis book. Go back over your history and make a note of the porn pages you may have visited around the same time.

[kimball13]

By the way forgive my ingnorance what is nostic rubbish,,,,,,,,are you talking law of atraction new age stuff.

Realy or are you speaking esdras and jerimiah type stuff, the book of enoch maybe,,,,,,the left out parts of Isaih,,,,,,,,,,or are you talking crap like celestin prophecys and the secret...........

Like i iluded to, i realy was born with understanding, and realy i had to spend along time to understand why most are so fcked up around the word God,,,,,,,,,,,im seriose i just assumed that a pastor must now what hes talking about until my first church attendance and i knew he was missinterpeting,,,,,as well as learned on my own away from church by learning to read by reading the bible that was a around 9 years old,,,,,,,i did not know you were supposed to memorize it chapter and verse, all i read was write it on your heart and find true understanding,,,,,,,so realy read it again, but then most want to be that one,and play at it, but then even that one might be a fool for a while,,,,,,but then it is funny that the one that God sends to defeat satan that holds the keys known as faithfull and true is missinterpeted as being the anti-christ,,,yet it says that he destroys the anti-christ and satan so realy i am amazed at the level of missinterpetion over just my life time and the changes you all have tried to make,,,,,,,,,,,,,im not in it to prove im right and your wrong, im in it just as it is written and im commanded to do, and actualy i dont have to think about it, my natural state just coincides as God says to live, but it also says we are not perfect.

[xpleet]

Rwederfoort is greatly adding to the contradictions and confusions in the forum by adding this in the midst of everything here.

These texts are written by Amitakh Stanford and hosted on www.canng.com and her work encompasses much more.

It has nothing to do with "Namaste" whatsoever.

Also, it is not te full article of "Is the Bible The Devil's Tool" but an excerpt.

[miracles]

is that why that didnt occur until i believ 1564 or was it 1654 that the chapter and verse rubish started,,,,,,,,,,,,,,actualy the word bible does mean 66 books of which enoch is mentioned (not the book of enoch) as well as his work so where is his story and book, NOT,,,,,oh ya to many miricls and descriptions of what nephlim are dont want to frighten the kiddies;)

the bible of 66 books you speak of was also translated by puratins in the charge of kingjames and then the catholics sent assasins to kill of translators until King James allowed a group of catholic translators to do there deed,,,,,,,,,,so a spy game in just the translation which was done in both greek and latin,,,,,,,,,,so word of God in sections and as a whole yes but the bible being what was commanded about not changing one word did not happen, as well as many leaning on there own understanding or the understanding of less richeouse people.

ya the numerical patern your refering to was put there by satan to turn the wise into fools,,,,,,,duh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now paterns what about how one word is realy a book, the 3 dimensional version of the letters and words,,,,,,,oh ya that teaching died with the pharasies because of there fear and arrogance. so what you are talking about is a numerical patern put there less than 700 years ago,,,,,,,,oh ya you have eyes but do not see or ears to understand so you rely ion math get it,,,,,,,,,,its called the WORD of God not the math of God. math and division is satans tools of choice,,,,,,,,,,check out every 13th verse or pick your favorite number and you will find a patern in the good book,,,,,,,,why not understand what 144000 is, or 24 elders,,,,,,,heck you dont even understand this and you speak numerical paterns,,,,,,,,,,,,the hatred satan has for me has caused me to be this anamant about this because if sat and listen to all the lies and missinterpetations,,,,,,,,,,,,now who is the heavenly son of man,,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya the name is Jehoel but go find that,,,,,,,oh ya most didnt even know who the rider on the white horse is,,,,,,,,,,for every real one there is a counterfeit, etc type dealy,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh by the way there are not fractions or decimals in nature or creation,,,,,,but then im ot a mathmatician and that is why,,,,,,,,so is the patern in the dead sea scrolls and if so you are mistaken because there is to much missing to dicern a patern as complex as God, i can recognize God's work but to think i can predict the great mysteries of God himself would mean i could manipulate God, wasnt it satan that thought that maybe it was math that did it,,,,,,,maybe the truth is math was jeoulouse of the word,,,,,,,,oops shouldnt have said that now its going to be us agains them in words and math,,,,,,,,but then ive heard preist try to justifie there sins by saying dont lean on your understanding and such to children, so be carefull if someone says that because there telling you to lean on theres then they say it was your choice to do so, then there is the flattery net stuff,,,,,,,oh ya should i go on withthe warnings about just understanding scriptures that God himself gives,,,,,even moses knew this.

Mankind has almost forgotten God in his glory and mystery and believes he can see and hear,,,,,your all to bussy finding who is got the latest greatest following or some established proven blasphemouse church,,,,,,,oh ya sure about hte pope his title is a sin in itself,,,,,,while evryone was submitting to social influences and such i was observing why people were so cruel and didnot coprehend truth,,,,they acted like it but when truth was realy spoken the cringed and acted like they did not hear it but there physical response showed the demon that had hold of thems discomfort,,,,,,,,,,,,first and formost the Word must be written on your heart and last time i checked there are no chapters and verses in the heart...........im not judging iim just (judging) expressing my own experience and i have a knee jerk reaction at times which is what allot of christians do to from the constant stigma nowadays,,,,,,,,,i dont call myself a modern christian i am more of the way type of person just as christ advised,,,,,,,,i dont pray to christ nor do i worship him,,,,,,,,i do honor him and respect him as a great (the greatest)spritual leader that man has known,,,,,,,he is talked about in tibetin texts and such,,,,,,,Dali lamas even acknoledge him with comments like, it would take a Lama 10 consecutive lifetimes without dying just to come close to being as enlightend as Jesus Christ is,,,,,,,,,,so funny how he had similar conversations with the pharasees as a boy,,,,,,,and what happend for almost 18 years,,,,,,,,,,funny when i saw hitchickers guid to the galaxy funny riddle about 42 being the answer i knew imediatly what it ment,,,,,,,,,,heres a clue it is refering to Christ Jesus he is 42,,,,,,so the God code you speak of is found in creation not in just numbers and forumulais,,,,,,,,,,re-read the good book with the eyes of a child by yourself with no other person interpeting it and i am positve you will be reading an entirely new book,,,,,,,but only if you can come to God as a child to gain understanding,,,,,,the problem here is most if not almost all cannot do this,now, because of indoctranation and such as well as not learning as a child when they are an adult,,,,,,,,,,,,it never said go to another man for understanding of God's word it says go to God, write the word on your heart, do not lean on your own understanding(he is saying this to an adult learning not a child),,,,,,i had no influence to start but the bible and God,,,,,,i am greatfull for this, i have also corrected many so called pastors ands such, but there pride and ego brought them down because they imediatly thought they could just go whith there own understanding again.

What the bible is, it is just a trouble shooting book,,,,,you know like two green blinks and a blue one means starter is out type thing and a way to correct it,,,,,but then i learned about God first then society and such, so i can see when it truely is God or satan, as well as my own understanding of which i am guilty of myself at times, but the differnce is i know when this is happening.

So realy im only trying to help with a common mistake done by most bible thumpers,,,,,,,,,it says to give glory to God, but it also says do not pray repatitiosly yet unseasingly so realy just define just that.....God wants you to give him the glory but speak your own words and if they are true then the written word will back it up,,,,,,most of you just study your buts of to act as if you know, and such, God is not a study or cram course you can study for an understanding,,,,,,,ya study and meditate but dont beat people down with it............and this is a personal relationship........i cant wait for either a fck you your stupid or a food for thought comment,,,,,and yes God's word is infalible, but mans is includeing when he writes,,,,but if the word is written on the heart there is always salvation and room for correction, but when pride and arrogance of understanding is in the way the sin and satan take hold and dirrect sooner or later and create mathmatical formulays to slowely dirrect and fool you because of a fals wisdom,,,,,,,,,,,,and the wise will be made fools and fools made wise,,,,,,,,,,,,so that may mean out of millions of so callled experts if one is write and they fight him and by doing that find that he is write would that not make them look foolish and he that stood alone with God by his side that was once looked on as a fool is now wise to many,,,,unless they have to much pride to believe the world is round.


Quite an interesting confused diatribe if you dont mind me expressing my opinion. Oh YA, what's with all the "oh ya" stuff by the way?

You are "the way type person" are you? And what exactly is that, do you know? You don't appear to. Listen sonny, the Bible is the word of God, Jesus is the word and Jesus is God and Jesus is the way. Thats the reason the Dalhi lamba reckons it would take 10 reincarnations to be like Christ, but it would be impossible to reincarnate into God no?

The numerical pattern in the bible is not put there by satan, because satan didnt write greek and Hebrews scriptures. men did under the influence of the Holy SPirit.

The Greek and Hebrew scriptures where written over the course of 1600 years. They vary in ages from 2000 to 4000 years old.

King James is an English translation. It is only a translation of the word of God. The Greek and Hebrew languages is how God delivered his word to the world, becuase it contains in and of its letters a numerical structure and pattern which reveals the seal of God throughout it's intirety. I didnt need the pattern to be saved through the grace of God through faith in Christ though, I only mention it here to confound the pagan heathen unbelievers and mockers of God, and all it does is show that they hate the truth and love darkness. You my friend don't understand the scripture yet, because you stlil think Christ is just a spiritual leader. ANd you have the ego to suggest your are telling pastors how to suck eggs and the call them prideful and arrogant HAH!. Goodness gracious me. Lad, you are a hoot

I say again, God has preserved His word, and it will not pass away, this world will pass away but not Gods word. You can rest assured that that is the truth. Instead of believing all the disinformation about it. Oh and foget about bading the word bible thunmpers about until you ahev read an understood the bible intead of what you have gleaned for m disinformationalist specialists

(PS. I dont say Fuc you to people, nor do I ever insult some one, unless they do it to me first) Im out a heres laters gaters.

[kimball13]

Exactamonda if you happen to be a muslim, yes no doubt, how convienient. So you think that after two coruptions, the third attempt IE the Quran is God final message to the world? Yes I know you do but it's wishful thinking.

The Quran is a plagurism of the Torah, that's quite well known.

The bible has been well preserved inspite of many so called attempts to have it done away with and discredited. Isalm is the biggest cult on earth. Sorry nothing personal. Just the facts.

The bible cleary states when that which has perfect has come IE (the finished canon of scripture) there will be no more prophesies or prophets. Mohamed is a shill of the highest order.

Oh! Some blokes just arrived at my door wrapped in explosives and aeroplanes, Alahuckbar!!!.


wow your arguments are riddled with holes..........and in the end time the gifts of the spirit will be poured on everyone type dealy duh,,,,,and chldren will speak, men see visions etc type stuff,,,,,,,,sorry to sound so simple but realy after 30+ years of reading it without any pear pressure or money involved im happey to say my interpetation is on par with a very few so called experts includeing the pope and any american pastor, it is refreshing when i find someone more knowledgeable yet after about 20 minutes i find most if not all are unwilling to admit a missinterpetation because there faith hinges on there own understanding such as yours obviously does:eek: realy just allow yourself the space to be wrong in your understandings realy it is humbling, but then maybe you dont know the virtues and such that true study brings with meditation on the word.

[kimball13]

The Greek and Hebrew scriptures where written over the course of 1600 years. They vary in ages from 2000 to 4000 years old.

King James is an English translation. It is only a translation of the word of God. The Greek and Hebrew languages is how God delivered his word to the world, becuase it contains in and of its letters a numerical structure and pattern which reveals the seal of God throughout it's intirety.

I say again, God has preserved His word, and it will not pass away, this world will pass away but not Gods word. You can rest assured that that is the truth. Instead of believing all the disinformation about it.

(PS. I dont say Fuc you to people, nor do I ever insult some one, unless they do it to me first) Im out heres laters gaters.


show me one example, as well as where it even mentions something about numeric formulae,,,,,oh and by the way Jim Jones was proper as well as Dahmer heck even the Devil is described as being a gentle man at almost all times,,,,,,,,,,,yet prophets and such may on occasion say fck. but then the pharasee's leaned on there so called understanding because they were comfortable in there lies and denile.

i have heard of that God code thing what happend to that were is all that software they were selling a while ago,..

so please if you can show me what you speak of, or is it just speculation based on the latest fad in your hood.

and by the way i dont act snotty unless i am met with arrogance, id rather be a bit childish than arrogant by saying fck,,,,,,,,,unless you were actualy in a way to bow at type thing sayin fckme as in fck you,,,,and if so i am glad you have emotions, that says something, like there is a heart in there.

here is a clue,,,,,,,,,,,ever notice how unemotional clergy and such are now adays unless its accepted by some unemotional person,,,,,,,,so why then does it say pray with all your heart........the reason is emotion is the key to pray along with faith. so which came first the latin or the greek, the hebrew or arabic type writing,,,,,,,,,actualy what came first is faith, and writting that faith on your heart without that its justa bunch of words,,,,,,i believe its called vain bablings,,,,,,,,,,and by the way if you feel convicted that is good,,,,,,,,just give yourself a break and study, meditate on the word to the best of your ability and see what you find,,,,,,,allow your mind to imagine what is being said and place yourself in the pages just like fantasy sci-fi type reading and see what you find,,,,,,,,or are you like most and get the story second hand from some guy you never seen piss on a tree then go read according to the mandated way of comprehending,,,,,,,,,oh ya comprehension comes from the individual, kinda like stove is hot, you usualy only make that mistake once even when told over and over again and this is how most read the bible and look what happend to those guys called catholic preists and how corrupt that entity is, maybe its better i dont know but not many come out that well after what they did unless they are true tyrants.

so realy im not arguing im just concerned at allot of the arguments about stuff that is speculation and not many take time to learn what we think we may know first, so my words of warning are more for whomever maybe not you, as well as wanting to learn from another that claims to have some kinda mathmatical formula that i havent seen posted yet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,her is a clue,,,,,,,christ said he God teaches man in a way he can understand, so what is that to you.

so you will be in my prayers, and all that will be is that God brings his word from you mind to your heart,,,,,,i understand most if not all have to make this journey, it is not my fault i started at the heart, it has taken me this long for my mind to accept it all,,,,,,,,so i havenot had to have much instruction about God's word but i have accepted instructions and tutalage even from people of lessor understanding and the reason why is no body can understand it all, there were even mysteries to christ,,,,,,,so as far as ego involved well why should i think im more knowlegable than Christ, and just knowing God kept mysteries even from Jesus then who am i to think i have to know everything,,,,,,,,,,,i believe satan thought he could understand all of what God does, and even when shown his pride would not let him be wrong,,,,,,

simple prayer to, God teach this person, prepare them, give them understanding and humility, as well as strength and endurence to be able to withstand that understanding,,,,,,,,.

im not to wordy with prayer, most of the time,,,,,.......

[kimball13]

Don't talk BS. Your feeling of superiority is phoney.

There is no bug at the download page of the Apostolic Gnosis book. Go back over your history and make a note of the porn pages you may have visited around the same time.




hay what is this Gnosis book your refering to,,,,,,,id rather check that out than the naked women tonight i took care of that yesterday,,,,,,but realy im seriose i just dont take his type to serouse until they start taking themselves to serouse and go on the Jim Jones campange trail or some tv show evangalist that shames everyone for looking at playboy while hes cheating on his wife with a hooker then shaming everyone about casting seed in a whore not on the ground thing,,,,,,,,,of which back then the whores worked for temples andsuch so maybe its better to have a child with a whore than a peice of dirt(as in bad women),,,,,,,,,,or am i justifieng not wanting to wake up in the middle of the night from a wet dream,,,,,,,so what happens then, is a wet dream a sin:confused:,,,,,,,,,,scew it i cant help it, so miracles are wet dreams a sin.

i wonder if miracles likes the same porn i do,,,,,,,,,,oops:confused:

funny miracles was a bit bussy ealeir the same time my computer was going bonkers,,my first thought was wow couldit be a passive agresive, im going to blame someoen for what im doing,,,,nah just a coinki dink.

id like to hear his interpatation of fornication,,,,,,,i realy shouldnt hound him,,,,,,,,,heck i piss pastors of because they always start of condeming prior to investigations, then i talk shop and the look on ther face is priceless but most just go and make excuses because they realize some punk like myself is a bit more on the path than they are.

one of my personal favorites is psalms 119. and i cant even remember what its exatley about and the reasonis i see the same thing in Gods instruction and such, but maybe that is why i dont have shame, the closest is believing the lies of others, but in God's eyes i have no reason for shame,,,,,,,,i think shame comes from uncorrected guilt and God reminding you of that,,,,,but most just cover it up with pride.


sorry to be a bit predatory but when a single book that has been scewed with and someone is using it to bash others i get a bit on the prowl, the reason is that Book called the bible save my life, i didnt find God through abook but i found how others dealt with living with faith and serving God, i already knew God instuctions but i didnt know how other men lived with it,,,,,,as in examples an mentors, , that is what the bible is to me personaly but technicly it is nothing more than 66 seprate books put together,,,,,,,,,,for the entire bible to be together it would be aprox 6" long, 3 wide and four high,,,,,,,,,,,the book would be the size of a bed with the same small letters;) but im talking scriptures not bible now.

[miracles]

SPeakingof arguements riddled with holes, Oh so your not jerking off to porn to tonight you thought you'd jerk me about isntead? NICE one, is that how "the way type people" do it is it??/ HAH. Kind of like the frank sinatra way. MY WAY. HAH.

Now that your licked the sick insults and innuendo come out. Too predictable. You hate the light and love darkness. THE END!


Originally Posted by kimball13 http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1255239#post1255239)
is that why that didnt occur until i believ 1564 or was it 1654 that the chapter and verse rubish started,,,,,,,,,,,,,,actualy the word bible does mean 66 books of which enoch is mentioned (not the book of enoch) as well as his work so where is his story and book, NOT,,,,,oh ya to many miricls and descriptions of what nephlim are dont want to frighten the kiddies;)

the bible of 66 books you speak of was also translated by puratins in the charge of kingjames and then the catholics sent assasins to kill of translators until King James allowed a group of catholic translators to do there deed,,,,,,,,,,so a spy game in just the translation which was done in both greek and latin,,,,,,,,,,so word of God in sections and as a whole yes but the bible being what was commanded about not changing one word did not happen, as well as many leaning on there own understanding or the understanding of less richeouse people.

ya the numerical patern your refering to was put there by satan to turn the wise into fools,,,,,,,duh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now paterns what about how one word is realy a book, the 3 dimensional version of the letters and words,,,,,,,oh ya that teaching died with the pharasies because of there fear and arrogance. so what you are talking about is a numerical patern put there less than 700 years ago,,,,,,,,oh ya you have eyes but do not see or ears to understand so you rely ion math get it,,,,,,,,,,its called the WORD of God not the math of God. math and division is satans tools of choice,,,,,,,,,,check out every 13th verse or pick your favorite number and you will find a patern in the good book,,,,,,,,why not understand what 144000 is, or 24 elders,,,,,,,heck you dont even understand this and you speak numerical paterns,,,,,,,,,,,,the hatred satan has for me has caused me to be this anamant about this because if sat and listen to all the lies and missinterpetations,,,,,,,,,,,,now who is the heavenly son of man,,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya the name is Jehoel but go find that,,,,,,,oh ya most didnt even know who the rider on the white horse is,,,,,,,,,,for every real one there is a counterfeit, etc type dealy,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh by the way there are not fractions or decimals in nature or creation,,,,,,but then im ot a mathmatician and that is why,,,,,,,,so is the patern in the dead sea scrolls and if so you are mistaken because there is to much missing to dicern a patern as complex as God, i can recognize God's work but to think i can predict the great mysteries of God himself would mean i could manipulate God, wasnt it satan that thought that maybe it was math that did it,,,,,,,maybe the truth is math was jeoulouse of the word,,,,,,,,oops shouldnt have said that now its going to be us agains them in words and math,,,,,,,,but then ive heard preist try to justifie there sins by saying dont lean on your understanding and such to children, so be carefull if someone says that because there telling you to lean on theres then they say it was your choice to do so, then there is the flattery net stuff,,,,,,,oh ya should i go on withthe warnings about just understanding scriptures that God himself gives,,,,,even moses knew this.

Mankind has almost forgotten God in his glory and mystery and believes he can see and hear,,,,,your all to bussy finding who is got the latest greatest following or some established proven blasphemouse church,,,,,,,oh ya sure about hte pope his title is a sin in itself,,,,,,while evryone was submitting to social influences and such i was observing why people were so cruel and didnot coprehend truth,,,,they acted like it but when truth was realy spoken the cringed and acted like they did not hear it but there physical response showed the demon that had hold of thems discomfort,,,,,,,,,,,,first and formost the Word must be written on your heart and last time i checked there are no chapters and verses in the heart...........im not judging iim just (judging) expressing my own experience and i have a knee jerk reaction at times which is what allot of christians do to from the constant stigma nowadays,,,,,,,,,i dont call myself a modern christian i am more of the way type of person just as christ advised,,,,,,,,i dont pray to christ nor do i worship him,,,,,,,,i do honor him and respect him as a great (the greatest)spritual leader that man has known,,,,,,,he is talked about in tibetin texts and such,,,,,,,Dali lamas even acknoledge him with comments like, it would take a Lama 10 consecutive lifetimes without dying just to come close to being as enlightend as Jesus Christ is,,,,,,,,,,so funny how he had similar conversations with the pharasees as a boy,,,,,,,and what happend for almost 18 years,,,,,,,,,,funny when i saw hitchickers guid to the galaxy funny riddle about 42 being the answer i knew imediatly what it ment,,,,,,,,,,heres a clue it is refering to Christ Jesus he is 42,,,,,,so the God code you speak of is found in creation not in just numbers and forumulais,,,,,,,,,,re-read the good book with the eyes of a child by yourself with no other person interpeting it and i am positve you will be reading an entirely new book,,,,,,,but only if you can come to God as a child to gain understanding,,,,,,the problem here is most if not almost all cannot do this,now, because of indoctranation and such as well as not learning as a child when they are an adult,,,,,,,,,,,,it never said go to another man for understanding of God's word it says go to God, write the word on your heart, do not lean on your own understanding(he is saying this to an adult learning not a child),,,,,,i had no influence to start but the bible and God,,,,,,i am greatfull for this, i have also corrected many so called pastors ands such, but there pride and ego brought them down because they imediatly thought they could just go whith there own understanding again.

What the bible is, it is just a trouble shooting book,,,,,you know like two green blinks and a blue one means starter is out type thing and a way to correct it,,,,,but then i learned about God first then society and such, so i can see when it truely is God or satan, as well as my own understanding of which i am guilty of myself at times, but the differnce is i know when this is happening.

So realy im only trying to help with a common mistake done by most bible thumpers,,,,,,,,,it says to give glory to God, but it also says do not pray repatitiosly yet unseasingly so realy just define just that.....God wants you to give him the glory but speak your own words and if they are true then the written word will back it up,,,,,,most of you just study your buts of to act as if you know, and such, God is not a study or cram course you can study for an understanding,,,,,,,ya study and meditate but dont beat people down with it............and this is a personal relationship........i cant wait for either a fck you your stupid or a food for thought comment,,,,,and yes God's word is infalible, but mans is includeing when he writes,,,,but if the word is written on the heart there is always salvation and room for correction, but when pride and arrogance of understanding is in the way the sin and satan take hold and dirrect sooner or later and create mathmatical formulays to slowely dirrect and fool you because of a fals wisdom,,,,,,,,,,,,and the wise will be made fools and fools made wise,,,,,,,,,,,,so that may mean out of millions of so callled experts if one is write and they fight him and by doing that find that he is write would that not make them look foolish and he that stood alone with God by his side that was once looked on as a fool is now wise to many,,,,unless they have to much pride to believe the world is round.

Quite an intersting confused diatribe if yoo dont mind expressingmy opinion. Oh YA, what's with all the "oh ya" stuff by the way?

You ar "the way type person" are you? And what exactly is that, do you know? You don't appear to. Listen sonny, the Bible is the word of God, Jesus is the word and Jesus is God and Jesu is the way. That th reason the Dalhi lamb reckons it wol dtake 10 reincarnationst o be like, but it wold be impossible to reincarnate into God no?

The numerical pattern in the bible is not put there by satan, because satan didnt write greek and Henrws scriptures. men doid under the influemce of the Holy SPirit.

The Greek and Hebrew scriptures where written over the course of 1600 years. They vary in ages from 2000 to 4000 years old.

King James is an English translation. It is only a translation of the word of God. The Greek and Hebrew languages is how God delivered his word to the world, becuase it contains in and of its letters a numerical structure and pattern which reveals the seal of God throughout it's intirety. I dint need the pattern to be saved through the grace of God through faith in Christ though, I only mention it here to counfound the pagan heathen unbelievers and mockers of God, and all it does is show that they hate the truth and love darkness. You my friend are an arrogant little child who doesn't understand the scripture yet, because you stlil think Christ is just a spiritual leader. And you have the ego to suggest your are telling pastors how to suck eggs and then call them prideful and arrogant HAH!. Goodness gracious me. Lad, you are a hoot

I say again, God has preserved His word, and it will not pass away, this world will pass away but not Gods word. You can rest assured that that is the truth. Instead of believing all the disinformation about it. Oh and foget about bandying the word bible thumpers about until you have read and understood the bible intead of what you have gleaned for disinformationalist specialists

(PS. I dont say Fuc you to people, nor do I ever insult some one, unless they do it to me first) Im out a heres laters gaters.
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[miracles]

show me one example, ,,,,.......


The first verse in the Hebrew Bible is “In (the) beginning God created the heavens and the earth,” Genesis 1:1. The sentence is grammatically complete in the first three of its (in the original Hebrew) seven words. In the beginning God created: B’rayshith bahrah Elohim.

The letters of these three words occupy the following places in the Hebrew Alphabet: 2, 20, 1, 21, 10, 22, 1, 1, 12, 5, 10, 13, - their place value.

The Hebrew has no vowel letters as such, using separate points instead for vowels; but does have certain letters which are either wholly or partly silent. In this sentence Letters 1, 5, 10 are such letters, and are here for convenience called vowel-letters.

The number of letters in this sentence is 14, or 2 x 7 (feature 1), with a place value of 140, or 7x2x2x2x5, also a multiple of seven (feature 2); of which the odd numbers have 42, or 7x2x3; and the even have 98, or 7x2x2, again 2 sevens (feature 3), of sevens (feature 4). The vowel letters have 28, or 7x2x2; the consonants have 112, or 7x2x2x2x2; this division being also by 2 sevens (feature5)

If now the fourteen place values of the letters be multiplied by their order numbers as they occur in the sentence, we have

2 x 1 is 2
20 x 2 is 40
1 x 3 is 3
21 x 4 is 84
10 x 5 is 50
22 x 6 is 132
2 x 7 is 14
20 x 8 is 160
1 x 9 is 9
1 x 10 is 10
12 x11 is 132
5 x 12 is 60
10 x 3 is 130
13x14 is 182
140 1008

The result thus obtained is 1008, or 7x2x2x2x3x3, or 144x7 (feature 6), with seven factors (feature 7), whose sum is 21, or 3x7 (feature 8); and of this sum 1008, the units have 28, or 4x7; leaving for the tens and hundreds 980, or 7x7x2x2x5, or 20x7 (feature 9) of sevens (feature 10); the numbers of one figure have 14, or 2 x7; of more than 994, or 7x7x71. This division is not only by sevens, but by 2 sevens (feature 11)

There are thus no fewer than eleven features of sevens in the matter of places values alone in this sentence of three words: More than three features for each of its three words. An elaborate design of sevens thus runs through the first Bible sentence.

The whole verse “In (the) beginning God created the heavens and the earth,” the first part of which already presents eleven features of sevens by itself, presents the following numeric phenomena: It has seven words (feature1) with 28 letters or 4x7 (feature 2), divided thus; As already seen the first three words of the verse forming the subject and the predicate of the full sentence in the verse have 14 letters, 2 x7. The object, the heavens and the earth, has also 17, or 2x7 (feature 3) the object in turn is divided thus: the heavens have 7; and the earth have also 7 (feature 4). The two words which begin with the first letter of the alphabet, Elohim, and eth, have 7 letters (feature 5); being words 3 and 4 of the verse, with 7 for their sum; leaving 21 for the other 5 words, 3x7 (feature 6), being words 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 of the verse, with nouns of the verse, God, heaven and earth (in the Hebrew) have 14 letters, 2x7 (feature 7). The value of these three words is moreover 924, 7x3x44, or 132 x7 (feature 8); of which the place value has 147, 3 sevens of seven (feature 9); and the numeric value has 777, or 7x111, itself a multiple of seven (feature 10) with the sum of the figures 21, 3 x 7
(feature 11)

Twenty - two features of sevens are thus presented by this verse of seven words, three features for every word, and three features for every four of its 28 letters.

This, however, is nowise exhausts the numeric phenomena of this verse. The paper about this verse alone has been rewritten about a dozen times; because every time it is gone over afresh new features hitherto unobserved come into view. At the first writing eight features of sevens were observed; and these were deemed remarkable enough to justify their publication in a two page tractlet. In the last edition the number of features grew to over forty. At the present writing over fifty features of sevens alone are already in view, with the end not yet in sight. Without wearying the reader with their entire enumeration, a few examples will be given in illustration of the numeric phenomena presented by this one verse of seven words, where so far already twenty -two features of seven have been pointed out.

PS: IVE GOT TANNAH ON IGNORE BECUASE OF THE CRAP HE POSTS TO ME. DO YOU HAVE TO QUOTE HIS POSTS TO ME AND THEN GET IN ON THE ACT YOU SICK....

[kimball13]

yep thought so your a out of context type to justifie your own weak stance,,,,,,,,,and the porn comment was hay lighten up as well as hay this is a bit to much info,,,,,,,i just wonder how that other person knew that about your browswer hystory, common lighten up.



oh ya and in the begining was the Word.

Not numbers.

so how is it that God can fit into a book so small is my point,,,,,,,,,,you obviosly are one that is in control of the god of your understanding to limit God into a paper book.

sorry but i have to ask this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,do you have faith,,,,,,,,,,,and here is the tough one,,,,,,,,do you believe Christ lived for you,,,,,,scew that he died for you,,,,,,,,,,read it again,,,,,,,,,,God sacraficed his own son for you so you may have life,,,,,,,jesus even cried out on the cross,,,,,,,heck that is what drive me bonkers about Christains is ther limited understanding of the life of Christ.


oh and the Way is Christs way,,,,,,,,as he said in the bible:confused:
or was christ a christian, where the apstles christians,,,,,,,oh and by the way whey was magdeline called the apostle of apostles,,,,,,,,,but then christ being a married man s out of hte the quesiton.

and the oh yas im sorry but i like to express a bit of personlaity,,,,,,,,sorry,,,,,,,,that and if you look at the diffence between our writting paterns you will find how out classed you realy are.

so am i your sonny, wow, should i call you kido,,,,,,,,but hay maybe you are supior in your mind to any other in the world,,,,,,,,,by the way do your balls itch.;)

[kimball13]

The first verse in the Hebrew Bible is “In (the) beginning God created the heavens and the earth,” Genesis 1:1. The sentence is grammatically complete in the first three of its (in the original Hebrew) seven words. In the beginning God created: B’rayshith bahrah Elohim.

The letters of these three words occupy the following places in the Hebrew Alphabet: 2, 20, 1, 21, 10, 22, 1, 1, 12, 5, 10, 13, - their place value.

The Hebrew has no vowel letters as such, using separate points instead for vowels; but does have certain letters which are either wholly or partly silent. In this sentence Letters 1, 5, 10 are such letters, and are here for convenience called vowel-letters.

The number of letters in this sentence is 14, or 2 x 7 (feature 1), with a place value of 140, or 7x2x2x2x5, also a multiple of seven (feature 2); of which the odd numbers have 42, or 7x2x3; and the even have 98, or 7x2x2, again 2 sevens (feature 3), of sevens (feature 4). The vowel letters have 28, or 7x2x2; the consonants have 112, or 7x2x2x2x2; this division being also by 2 sevens (feature5)

If now the fourteen place values of the letters be multiplied by their order numbers as they occur in the sentence, we have

2 x 1 is 2
20 x 2 is 40
1 x 3 is 3
21 x 4 is 84
10 x 5 is 50
22 x 6 is 132
2 x 7 is 14
20 x 8 is 160
1 x 9 is 9
1 x 10 is 10
12 x11 is 132
5 x 12 is 60
10 x 3 is 130
13x14 is 182
140 1008

The result thus obtained is 1008, or 7x2x2x2x3x3, or 144x7 (feature 6), with seven factors (feature 7), whose sum is 21, or 3x7 (feature 8); and of this sum 1008, the units have 28, or 4x7; leaving for the tens and hundreds 980, or 7x7x2x2x5, or 20x7 (feature 9) of sevens (feature 10); the numbers of one figure have 14, or 2 x7; of more than 994, or 7x7x71. This division is not only by sevens, but by 2 sevens (feature 11)

There are thus no fewer than eleven features of sevens in the matter of places values alone in this sentence of three words: More than three features for each of its three words. An elaborate design of sevens thus runs through the first Bible sentence.

The whole verse “In (the) beginning God created the heavens and the earth,” the first part of which already presents eleven features of sevens by itself, presents the following numeric phenomena: It has seven words (feature1) with 28 letters or 4x7 (feature 2), divided thus; As already seen the first three words of the verse forming the subject and the predicate of the full sentence in the verse have 14 letters, 2 x7. The object, the heavens and the earth, has also 17, or 2x7 (feature 3) the object in turn is divided thus: the heavens have 7; and the earth have also 7 (feature 4). The two words which begin with the first letter of the alphabet, Elohim, and eth, have 7 letters (feature 5); being words 3 and 4 of the verse, with 7 for their sum; leaving 21 for the other 5 words, 3x7 (feature 6), being words 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 of the verse, with nouns of the verse, God, heaven and earth (in the Hebrew) have 14 letters, 2x7 (feature 7). The value of these three words is moreover 924, 7x3x44, or 132 x7 (feature 8); of which the place value has 147, 3 sevens of seven (feature 9); and the numeric value has 777, or 7x111, itself a multiple of seven (feature 10) with the sum of the figures 21, 3 x 7
(feature 11)

Twenty - two features of sevens are thus presented by this verse of seven words, three features for every word, and three features for every four of its 28 letters.

This, however, is nowise exhausts the numeric phenomena of this verse. The paper about this verse alone has been rewritten about a dozen times; because every time it is gone over afresh new features hitherto unobserved come into view. At the first writing eight features of sevens were observed; and these were deemed remarkable enough to justify their publication in a two page tractlet. In the last edition the number of features grew to over forty. At the present writing over fifty features of sevens alone are already in view, with the end not yet in sight. Without wearying the reader with their entire enumeration, a few examples will be given in illustration of the numeric phenomena presented by this one verse of seven words, where so far already twenty -two features of seven have been pointed out.

PS: IVE GOT TANNAH ON IGNORE BECUASE OF THE CRAP HE POSTS TO ME. DO YOU HAVE TO QUOTE HIS POSTS TO ME AND THEN GET INO NTHE ACT YOU SICK....


actualy i was showing how distastfull that comment was and putting it to humor,,,,,,,,,,now i see allot of numbers but no definitions, no concepts, morals or such heck not even sience just adding.

hers one, mother earth math,,,,,,,1+1=2 2+1=3 3+2=5,,,,,,,,,so again what does all that mean,,,,,,,or is it another case of tickling ears,,,,,,,,,,but hay im just trying to help,,,,,,,,,,and i dont mind making fun of myself if i have to,,,,,,,,,,so dont take the comment he made of web history stuff. but maybe my skin is tougher and thicker, after all i see people crumble as you almost did from one little browser history comment,,,,,,,heck i wen through many diffent accusations and such,,,,,,,,so many so that if any were real or founded i would have been surely put in prison or murderd,,,,,so i know exactly about what the bible says about persecution, SONNY.

[kimball13]

what about this code,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WW1 started the same day WW2 ended which is the same day as Iraqi independance day so what does that mean.

[miracles]

actualy i was showing how distastfull that comment was and putting it to humor,,,,,,,,,,now i see allot of numbers but no definitions, no concepts, morals or such heck not even sience just adding.

hers one, mother earth math,,,,,,,1+1=2 2+1=3 3+2=5,,,,,,,,,so again what does all that mean,,,,,,,or is it another case of tickling ears,,,,,,,,,,but hay im just trying to help,,,,,,,,,,and i dont mind making fun of myself if i have to,,,,,,,,,,so dont take the comment he made of web history stuff. but maybe my skin is tougher and thicker, after all i see people crumble as you almost did from one little browser history comment,,,,,,,heck i wen through many diffent accusations and such,,,,,,,,so many so that if any were real or founded i would have been surely put in prison or murderd,,,,,so i know exactly about what the bible says about persecution, SONNY.

Then your missing the point. Im taking, that it's on puprose, either that or your blind. It means a superior mathematical mind wrote the bible AKA God. Okay? Sorry but that's just too, well I dont know, dumb, to entertain further debate on the topic. No offense, we cant all be inteligent I guess. :D

[miracles]

The Hebrew Bible consists of 39 books, of 3 x 13 (Feature 1), of which the anonymous books have thirteen and the non anonymous books have 26, or 2 x 13 (Feature 2); the same division is maintained thus: the Law and the Prophets have 26 or 2 x 13; the Writings have thirteen (feature 3). The Law comprises books 1-5; the Prophets comprise books 6-26; the Writing books 27-39. But the sum of the numbers 1, 5, 6, 26, 27, 39 is 104, or 8x13 (feature 4). The sum of the order numbers of books 1 to 39, is naturally a multiple of thirteen, namely 78-, or 13 x 60; but this number is divided thus: the only two named after women, Ruth and Esther, are books 31 and 34, their sum is 65, or 5 x 13; leaving for the other books 715, itself 13 x 5 x 11, or 55 x 13 (Feature 5); with the sum of the figures – thirteen (feature 6)

The chance for these six features of thirteen being undersigned is only one in 256,851, 595, less than one in a quarter of a billion

It so happens, however, that every thirteenth book of the 39, or 3 x 13 is: Jeremiah, Malachi, 2 Chronicles. The numbers of chapters in these three books are 52, 3, 36, or 91 in all. or, 7 x 13. (Feature 7); of which Jeremiah has 52, or 3 x 13 (Feature 8). And if Ezra is the writer of 2 Chronicles, then the numeric values of Jeremiah, Malachi and Ezra are 271, 101, 278, with 650 as their sum, or 50x 13 (Feature 9). As the authorship, however, of Chronicles by Ezra is not yet established before the reader at this stage, only two additional features of thirteen will be here considered. Now the chance for the two features to happen together is one in 325 and the chance obtained above of only one in 256, 851, 595 is thus diminished 325 time to only on in some forty billions. A DESIGN of thirteen thus runs through the mere number of books of the Bible.

The persons named in the Hebrew as its writers are: Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the twelve so-called minor prophets, David, Solomon, Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah. Their number is 21, or 3 x 7 (Feature 1); of these those having odd numbers for their numeric values are 14, or 2 x 7; those having even numbers are seven (Feature 2). Their numeric value as above is 3808, or 7x17x2x2x2x2x2, itself a multiple of seven (Feature 3), with seven factors (Feature 4). The sum, 3808, or 544 x 7, is divided thus: The Law and the Prophets have 2833, or 7x419, itself a multiple of seven, with the sum of the figures if its factors 21, or 3 x 7 (Feature 5); the Writings have 875, or 7x5x5x5, or 125x7 (Feature 6) ; of which in turn David has 14, or 2x7, and Solomon to Nehemiah have 861, or, 123x7 (Feature 7)

These 21 numeric values form the following and only groups of seven

Moses to Hosea have 1,554 or 7x2x3x37
Joel to Jonah have 385 or 7x55
Micah to Zephaniah have 630, or 7x90
Haggai has 21 or 7x3
Zechariah-Malachi have 343 or 7x7x7
David has 14 or 7x2
Solomon to Nehemiah have 861 or 7x123

But these are seven (Feature 8) ; of which the factors of the first group have for their sum 49, or seven (Feature9) sevens (Feature 10) ; the fifth group has 343, or seven sevens (Feature 11) of sevens (Feature 12)

As the chance for these twelve features of seven in the mere factor of the list of the Bible writers is only one in 1,302,289,781,830, less than one in THRITEEN HUNDRED BILLIONS, a design of sevens is thus seen to run through the mere list of names of the Bible writers, just as it has already been seen that a design of thirteens runs through the mere list of the Bible books.

[kimball13]

SPeakingof arguements riddled with hold, Oh so your not jerking off to porn to tonight you thought you'd jerk me about isntead? NICE one, is that how "the way type people" do it is int??/ HAH. Kind of like the frank sinatra way. MY WAY. HAH.

Now that your licked the sick insults and innuendo come out. Too predictable. You hate the light and love darkness. THE END!


The Greek and Hebrew scriptures where written over the course of 1600 years. They vary in ages from 2000 to 4000 years old.

King James is an English translation. It is only a translation of the word of God. The Greek and Hebrew languages is how God delivered his word to the world, becuase it contains in and of its letters a numerical structure and pattern which reveals the seal of God throughout it's intirety. I dint need th epattern to be save through the grace of God therough faith in Christ though, I only mention it here to counfoun the pagan heathen unbelivers and mocehers of God, and all it dioes is how that they hate the truth and love darkness. You my friend are an arrogant little child who doesn't understand the scripture yet, becuse you stlil think Christ is just a spiritual leader. ANd you have the ego to suggest your are telling pastors how to suck eggs and the call them pridful and arrogant HAH!. Goodness gracious me. Lad, you are a hoot

I say again, God has preserved His word, and it will not pass away, this world will pass away but not Gods word. You can rest assured that that is the truth. Instead of believing all the disinformation about it. Oh and foget about bading the word bible thunmpers about until you ahev read an understood the bible intead of what you have gleaned for m disinformationalist specialists

(PS. I dont say Fuc you to people, nor do I ever insult some one, unless they do it to me first) Im out a heres laters gaters.
__________________


wow the condemnation and judgement, now the term jerking off is sick,,,,,,,,,,,maybe that is why i like the word fk better,,,,,,,,,,so go ahead because after all your enjoyment at a perceived slight is a bit imature,,,,,,but go ahead and speculate and take out of context to strengthen your stance in quiksand,,,,,,,,realy i see you attacking to justifie, instead why not provide eveidence other than what apears as some delusional math wanting to make something of a series of numbers,,,,,,heck you dont even know the way,,,,,,,,you know like take a right stuff,,,,,,jesus said he is the way to the father,,,,,,,so i follow the Way duh,,,,but obviosly because of your biblicle training in the mysteries maybe i should just let you go on without me dragging you down,,,,,,,,,go ahead lean on you understanding and that of other less rightcheouse to justife yourselves in you secrecy and mathmatical confusion.........oh diatribes ive got allot of them,,,,,,,,,damit i know the cotext in which the word it used maybe i should look it up again. bu tto know and admit that takes humility, something that you could work on a bit.;)

[kimball13]

Then your missing the point. Im taking, that it's on puprose, either that or your blind. It means a superior mathematical mind wrote the bible AKA God. Okay? Sorry but that's just too, well I dont know, dumb, to entertain further debate on the topic. No offense, we cant all be inteligent I guess. :D


ok but what does it mean,,,,,,,,,,and as far as the word of God being falible it is not,,,,,,,,but the bible is not the Word of God,,,,that word is an angel,,,,,,,or havent youread,,,,,,,,,,,,so ok youve found a patern,,,,,,,,now wee learn from satan ans uch take Job for example,,,,,,,,,so isnt it safe to say even from the bible someone may have slipped something in it or you just found an anomoly,,,,,,,im only asking this because with faith i never neaded mathmatical justification,,,,,,,,,i prefer Miracles as in Gods work to show me his glory,,,,,,,,,,so ya we both are intelgent in diffent ways maybe,,,,,,,,,,and i understand what your fealing,,,,,,,,ive seen it many times,,,,,,,,and i know how hard it is to keep the faith when somany want to argue about faith and God by using a peice of paper,,,,,,and this is why God says write iton you heart,,,,,,,,,,,,,God Bless.;)

[miracles]

bible is designed by God Get used to it!
Genesis 1: 1-5

The vocabulary of the first five verses of Genesis (containing the account of the first day of creation) has in the Hebrew 33 words, whose numeric value is 6,188 or 884 x 7 (feature 1.) This number is thus divided by sevens. The initial letters of the 33 words have 2401, or 7x7x7x7: not only a multiple of seven, but even the fourth power of seven; and the remaining letters have 3,787, or 541 x 7 (feature 2). As the Hebrew alphabet has only 22 letters, the 33 words do not of course begin with 33 different letters, but with a smaller number, namely 16. Now the numeric value of the 33 initial letters, 2401 or 343 x 7, is thus divided: The 16 letters used in beginning the 33 words have 1,281 or 183 x 7; while the duplicates have 1,120, or 160 x7. (feature 3).

The first and last words in the vocabulary arranged alphabetically have a numeric value of 207 and 451, or 658, which is 94 x7 (feature 4), while the first and last words of the vocabulary arranged in order of the occurrence of the words in the text have a numeric value of 911 and 13, or 824 which is 132 x7. (Feature 5) Every seventh word in the vocabulary has for its value 2, 20, 75, 911, or 1,008, which is 7 x 3 x3 x 2x 2 x 2 x 2, not only itself a multiple of seven but having seven factors, and their sum is 21, or 3 x 7 (feature 6-8). And of these four numbers 2, 20, 75, 911 the first and the third have 77, or 7 x11 sevens. (feature 9)

Just seven words of the vocabulary occur in more than one form; and the numeric value of the vocabulary, 6m166 or 884 x 7, is accordingly thus divided by sevens; the seven words which occur in more than form have 1,610, or 230 x 7: and the words which occur on only one form have 4,478, or 654 x 7(feature 10-11)

Fourteen words, or 2 x 7, begin with the letter meaning and, which is combined twice
with other prefixes. The numeric value of the prefixes in these 14 words, or 2 x 7, is 119, or 17 x 7; of which (the letter for and) has 84, or 12 x 7, and the other prefixes have 35, or 5 x 7. (feature 12- 14)

The presence of these fourteen features of sevens here is either accidental or designed. If accidental the chance for it is only one in seven multiplied by itself 14 times, or one in 678,233, 072, 849. The presence of these features of sevens in there for designed.

Wake up and smell the coffee folks, you dont have a leg to stand on. I can provide evidence all day everyday that God wrote the bible supernaturally through men.

[kimball13]

49 7 more than 42 the genarations to the birth of christ as written,,,so the answer is 42 untill the 7th generation of the 7th generations,,,,,,,,,,,yet the answer is still 42 as in Jesus and the hitchhicker galaxy:confused:just alittle humor and truth found in many things at the same time,,,,,,,,,but idid think that hitchhickers guid to the galaxy whole premise was an answer from a computer and its answer was 42,,,,,,,,,and i knew what it was refering to in a comic way.:confused:

[miracles]

ok but what does it mean,,,,,,,,,,and as far as the word of God being falible it is not,,,,,,,,but the bible is not the Word of God,,,,that word is an angel,,,,,,,or havent youread,,,,,,,,,,,,so ok youve found a patern,,,,,,,,now wee learn from satan ans uch take Job for example,,,,,,,,,so isnt it safe to say even from the bible someone may have slipped something in it or you just found an anomoly,,,,,,,im only asking this because with faith i never neaded mathmatical justification,,,,,,,,,i prefer Miracles as in Gods work to show me his glory,,,,,,,,,,so ya we both are intelgent in diffent ways maybe,,,,,,,,,,and i understand what your fealing,,,,,,,,ive seen it many times,,,,,,,,and i know how hard it is to keep the faith when somany want to argue about faith and God by using a peice of paper,,,,,,and this is why God says write iton you heart,,,,,,,,,,,,,God Bless.;)


God needed to write it all down to stop people like you making things up as they see fit and who think you can tell pastors how to do their jobs?? Ya know what Im sayin. ???? People like you are always coming into churches thinking you know better than the man of God who has been serving the flock for his whole life, Ive seen it over and over and over again, Being a pastor is the hardest most thankless job in the known universe. (and I dont mean the pastor of some cult form of christianity either) those fools have got it made in the shade, laughing all the way to the bank. NEXT STOP TAX EVASION AND JAIL.

You need to develop a bit more humility. I will if you will. Deal ??

[miracles]

Mr Panin’s discovery, as astounding as any discovery that could be made, is one of God’s solvents for the final crisis. It is the deathblow of all disintegrating criticism,

not, alas, that critics will be convinced, for the foundations of their doubt lie far deeper than intellect, and where confirmed belief is confuted, it merely shifts its ground; nevertheless it remains for all who appeal to the intellect, a response from the intellect, in the mercy of God who meets every soul on its own grounds. The destructive analyzer of scripture stands revealed as an infant analyst in the grasp of a complexity of which he never dreamed. Verbal inspiration is here mathematically proved, past all cavil. The Scripture disclosed itself as a parchment which, when held up to the light, reveals the autograph of its Maker; a script that bears exactly that imprint of a miraculous arithmetic which is borne by the snowflakes falling in a flawless mathematical pattern, or by the perfect convolutions of a shell. To Dr. Panin’s critics I would say, “Do you challenge his figures? If so, where are they wrong? If not, his inferences are indisputable. You can not argue with mathematics

The enumeration examples supplied in this thread barely touches the surface of the numerics Panin brought to light in the structure of this one portion. He challenged any man to write one paragraph of 300 words intelligently and produce the same phenomena of like designs, and complete it in six months. Any man who can do it will prove himself a wonder. No man has offered

[kimball13]

the math still is mute,,,,,because either you have faith or not.

you may be more intersted in the letters of the original can be make int 3d represtentaions and when turned it forms other words and in one word is an entire nothre book contained in each word,,,,,,believe it or not, and when i leared of this they only had one word figured out,,,,,,,,,,so the math seems like you own understanding and if that brings you closer to God the Way cool im going to look again,,,,,,,,,,,,and like i said if i see something that i dont understand but you do and it makes you closer to God than you were previosly as well as bring others to God the cool that is a Way ro you to follow the Way.;)chirst did say God teaches man in a way (way) he can understand, but just as he also said dont lean on your understanding,,,,,,,and that is why ive asked and not just revert to attacks because you may show my your understanding and that may be what i nead to lean on when mine wavers and affects my faith,,,,,,if that makes sense.

[miracles]

the math still is mute,,,,,because either you have faith or not.

.

No it isnt moot at all, it is irrefutabel evidence and proof that God wrote, it. It has actually removed the need for faith completely. In fact it takes blind faith to ignore it lad. Belee dat.


I agree with the rest of what you said 100 percent. Finally some sense out of you but it took a while. Tell me more about the word thing. Im very interested

[kimball13]

God needed to write it all down to stop people like you making things up as they see fit and who think you can tell pastors how to do their jobs?? Ya know what Im sayin. ???? People like you are always coming into churches thinking you know better than the man of God who has been serving the flock for his whole life, Ive seen it over and over and over again, Being a pastor is the hardest most thankless job in the known universe. (and I dont mean the pastor of some cult form of christianity either) those fools have got it made in the shade, laughing all the way to the bank. NEXT STOP TAX EVASION AND JAIL.

You need to develop a bit more humility. I will if you will. Deal ??


nope you could not be father from the truth,,,,,just when a pastor assumes i dont have faith becaus of long hair or not having allot of money i do question,,,,,,,,,,,and you have no idea,,,,,,,,,actualy i was in cult retreival, an exorsist of types,,,,,,,,and ya whe i see a pastor shameing a rape victim covertly i get a bit upset,,,,,,,,,,,whe pastors think just make the breader vicitm work so the dont think about the abuse, i have to argue,,that prayer and study as well as instruction in understanding it was sick people following satan trying to turn them from God,,,,,,the instruction in the book of JOb,,,,,,,,,,so realy you have just told on yourself you are a contempt prior to investigation,,,,,,,,and i never tell a pastor what to do iin there church and i dont even go and put bugs in congregation ears,,,,,,,,i try my best to not dishonor a pastor and if they are incorect to find correction themselves becaus pastore are ego driven nowadays.

But when im judged and convicte before any investigation or study on there part for prayeing in a native american languag or to be told nativ americans way of prayer is of hte devil,,,,,,,,,,im disgusted,,,,,,,and again christ said there will be sheep not of my flock saved,,,,,,,he even says there will be sheep of his flock he castes out. But then maybe because God finds favor in me that is why many so called christians judge me,,,,ya know a curse of cain thing,,,,,,,sure seems allot of christians have it.


But then i went up against hard core kill your babys satanists, and i dont hide it,,,,,,,,,you should see what happens when they come at me,,,,,,,but you know ive found in my work allot of satanist come about because of a false prophet person fcking there heart up with allotof shame as a child,,,,,,,so by now you should be able to take critisism,,,,,or is it youve become a shamer to get along,,,,,im just asking you dont have to answer actualy i dont want you to because your past matters not to me at the moment.

So have you ever done cult retreival,,,,,,you know the kind of people that make even pastors nevouse because if my type find a mssive contributor is a bad seed uh oh no more big money for them to buy a vote in a church. i mean realy do you think intel and recon as well as special forces is a new thing,,,,,read the good book again and you may find it is a book on the art of war in many ways and why war exists and what the ritchouse find in peace when the evil is rooted out.

Now i know the enemy very well, so well i dont advise my walk for anyone, it is difficult when you see the abundance and admirationthey have,,,,for me it is not difficult,,,,,the reason is God made me that way for a reason,,,,,,,,,im not bound by Cains curse,,,,,this time able is not going to get hit in the head,,,,,,,,,,,so it had to happen sooner or later Cain has to learn how deseptive the jeolousy is,,,,,,,,,but if your under the curse of cain you may not know until you experience watching everyone feast and you dont notice doing without and starving even after youve paid for everyones food and they treat you like a slave because your a man of faith,,,,,instead of going on,,,,,,,,just think how this man would deal with it, espeacialy when many likethis make false accusations because of there jeoulousey. They are even jeoulouse when you save there new born baby, but because of the miracle involved and there jeolouse involved they hate you even more for saving the life of there child,,,,,,,,,,,but then i could have got along and get along if i just let a child die. But i gues when CPR doesnt work then you pray and the blue baby starts breathing again then some get upset because it shows them the power of prayer and faith and it scares some, because then they think if he can do that what else can eh do,,,,,,,,the thing is God did it not me, it was only my faith,,,,,,,,,,but because of there witchcraft stuff they think you did wht they have only tried.......;)

[kimball13]

No it isnt moot at all, it is irrefutabel evidence and proof that God wrote, it. It has actually removed the need for faith completely. In fact it takes blind faith to ignore it lad. Belee dat.


I agree with the rest of what you said 100 percent. Finally some sense out of you but it took a while. Tell me more about the word thing. Im very interested


blind faith is not what i speak of,,,,but your numbers are blind,,,,,,,,,,,and so tell me what have i made up,,,,,,,comeone tell me and i may find something i can grow with.

My proof came when i put my first thought of wonderment together and it was about God's beiuty,,,,,,,,,,that was over 38 years ago so my faith is far from blind,,,,,,,the reason is i did not nead some math to prove God exists, so whom has the lack of faith,,,,,,so give me God's phone # its gota be there in all those numbers(just kidding about the phone #),,,but you are folowing a tactic im very familar with,,,,,the scary thing is i wonder if you know what your doing,,,,,,,,,,,,,so now comes the ah yes grasshoper when youcan grab the pbble,,,,,,,,,,,sorry but a few words of flatery in a passive agresive manner is tiresome.

But again im not judging your faith but you have judged mine,,,,,,,,,,and the manner of which you have may lead me to believe your still trying to prove the existance of God to yourself,,,,,,,but again i dont claim to know exactly what type or how much faith you have but God does and he shows me. and not in a formula

[miracles]

blind faith is not what i speak of,,,,but your numbers are blind,,,,,,,,,,,

rubbish!

and they arent my numbers

[kimball13]

No it isnt moot at all, it is irrefutabel evidence and proof that God wrote, it. It has actually removed the need for faith completely. In fact it takes blind faith to ignore it lad. Belee dat.


I agree with the rest of what you said 100 percent. Finally some sense out of you but it took a while. Tell me more about the word thing. Im very interested



you screwed up and said faith is not neaded so youve just told on yourself,,,,,,like i said im cult retreival maybe the best.


so your saying those numbers remove the nead for faith,,,,,,,,is that correct as i read it in context,,,,,,,,from just that statement youve made youve just destroyed your argument,,,,,,,but go ahead and try to justifie or at least just admit you have a lack of faith or none at all.

wow i am amazed.

[kimball13]

Good thing i didnt become a trial lawer,,,,,,,,every guilty man would be in prison and the innocent would have no choice but to stick to the truth,,,,and the guilty would not be able to remember every lie involved or the angles truth can hit is with.

[miracles]

nope you could not be father from the truth,,,,,just when a pastor assumes i dont have faith becaus of long hair or not having allot of money i do question,,,,,,,,,,,and you have no idea,,,,,,,,,actualy i was in cult retreival, an exorsist of types,,,,,,,,and ya whe i see a pastor shameing a rape victim covertly i get a bit upset,,,,,,,,,,,whe pastors think just make the breader vicitm work so the dont think about the abuse, i have to argue,,that prayer and study as well as instruction in understanding it was sick people following satan trying to turn them from God,,,,,,the instruction in the book of JOb,,,,,,,,,,so realy you have just told on yourself you are a contempt prior to investigation,,,,,,,,and i never tell a pastor what to do iin there church and i dont even go and put bugs in congregation ears,,,,,,,,i try my best to not dishonor a pastor and if they are incorect to find correction themselves becaus pastore are ego driven nowadays.

But when im judged and convicte before any investigation or study on there part for prayeing in a native american languag or to be told nativ americans way of prayer is of hte devil,,,,,,,,,,im disgusted,,,,,,,and again christ said there will be sheep not of my flock saved,,,,,,,he even says there will be sheep of his flock he castes out. But then maybe because God finds favor in me that is why many so called christians judge me,,,,ya know a curse of cain thing,,,,,,,sure seems allot of christians have it.


But then i went up against hard core kill your babys satanists, and i dont hide it,,,,,,,,,you should see what happens when they come at me,,,,,,,but you know ive found in my work allot of satanist come about because of a false prophet person fcking there heart up with allotof shame as a child,,,,,,,so by now you should be able to take critisism,,,,,or is it youve become a shamer to get along,,,,,im just asking you dont have to answer actualy i dont want you to because your past matters not to me at the moment.

So have you ever done cult retreival,,,,,,you know the kind of people that make even pastors nevouse because if my type find a mssive contributor is a bad seed uh oh no more big money for them to buy a vote in a church. i mean realy do you think intel and recon as well as special forces is a new thing,,,,,read the good book again and you may find it is a book on the art of war in many ways and why war exists and what the ritchouse find in peace when the evil is rooted out.

Now i know the enemy very well, so well i dont advise my walk for anyone, it is difficult when you see the abundance and admirationthey have,,,,for me it is not difficult,,,,,the reason is God made me that way for a reason,,,,,,,,,im not bound by Cains curse,,,,,this time able is not going to get hit in the head,,,,,,,,,,,so it had to happen sooner or later Cain has to learn how deseptive the jeolousy is,,,,,,,,,but if your under the curse of cain you may not know until you experience watching everyone feast and you dont notice doing without and starving even after youve paid for everyones food and they treat you like a slave because your a man of faith,,,,,instead of going on,,,,,,,,just think how this man would deal with it, espeacialy when many likethis make false accusations because of there jeoulousey. They are even jeoulouse when you save there new born baby, but because of the miracle involved and there jeolouse involved they hate you even more for saving the life of there child,,,,,,,,,,,but then i could have got along and get along if i just let a child die. But i gues when CPR doesnt work then you pray and the blue baby starts breathing again then some get upset because it shows them the power of prayer and faith and it scares some, because then they think if he can do that what else can eh do,,,,,,,,the thing is God did it not me, it was only my faith,,,,,,,,,,but because of there witchcraft stuff they think you did wht they have only tried.......;)

Thats pretty sad, sorry to hear that. Yes there are a lot of illumianti wolves in sheeps clothing in the so called church (especially the charismatic pentecotsal movement, what sham that is, and they wont lik eyou if your not giving the,m cash every week) and they are causing real mayhem, spirtual abuse on crack. I dont like it one bit.

[kimball13]

rubbish!

and they arent my numbers


Whos are they, you must know after all youve claimed they did away with your faith so the originator of them must be realy important.

[kimball13]

my point is have faith, and knowyour falible,,,,and everyone else is,,,,,those nubers wont teach you to be a person of God,,,,,,,they may put a scientist in there place and who knows maybe even bring one person to the Lord,,,,,and realy that is all God asks is to do the best you can,,,,,,,and one saved is a grea victory.......;)

[kimball13]

Thats pretty sad, sorry to hear that. Yes there are a lot of illumianti wolves in sheeps clothing in the so called church (especially the charismatic pentecotsal movement, what sham that is, and they wont lik eyou if your not giving the,m cash every week) and they are causing real mayhem, spirtual abuse on crack. I dont like it one bit.


as a mater of fact i almost fell on the ground laghing when one of those illuminate triedto recruit me.

[miracles]

Whos are they, you must know after all youve claimed they did away with your faith so the originator of them must be realy important.


I never said anyone or anything did away with my faith????

Listen pal Im not gonna argue with you okay? If you hadnt started with porn bullshit and the bragging I might have had a bit more time for you. if you interested read the thread Irrefuteable proof God wrote the bible. You get the the haters of the truth ther too so dont worry you'll have good company seeing people give me shit. Not one agrees with it.

Okay, lets give this a rest.

[miracles]

as a mater of fact i almost fell on the ground laghing when one of those illuminate triedto recruit me.


They got me for a good 5 - 10 years of my life.

[kimball13]

They got me for a good 5 - 10 years of my life.


dam that explane why you have the stance you do,,,,,,,,i am glad yyou shared that,,,,,,,,,,and the faith correction either missread or misswrote no matter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but 5-10 of that i can understand and it also explanes why God wanted me to sit hear and write and converse with you we both have learned something about ourselves, God, and one another and that is fellowship more so than a church,,,,,,,,,and it is the pain ive seen inthere hearts that showed me not to join certain things no matter what.

I is a horible site when you see someone killing there spirit because of sellling portions of there soul.

i should go to bed now and i am glad to have chatted and learned and maybe even shared in some insight for bothof us,,,,,,,this is true fellowship discussing how we see God,,,,,,,like the elephant story,,,,,,,no its a snake, its a tree trunk,,,,,,,wonder what the guy at the ass end said when he reached up and stuck his hand in a poop hole,,,,,,,sorry but when heard that story i couldnthelp but think that and how funny the thought is someone describing tht part of the elephant. but then to make seeds grow the arse end is very important if looking at the big picture,,,,,,,,maybe i should keep some things that contain truth but because of the humor that goes along with it some get a bit upset,,,,,,,,,like the picture i saw of christ flipping ya off,,,,,,well i dont know,,,,,but i dont dare judge christ for fliping a bird,,,,,,and actualy that may have went over better in the temple when he trashed in because of the money changers,,,,,,,oh well, but in my understanding its a bit personal as far as somethings go,,,,,,,,ya know how when with a freind you let youself loose a bit and do and say things not so bad but still unapropriate in a library type setting.

[kimball13]

I never said anyone or anything did away with my faith????

Listen pal Im not gonna argue with you okay? If you hadnt started with porn bullshit and the bragging I might have had a bit more time for you. if you interested read the thread Irrefuteable proof God wrote the bible. You get the the haters of the truth ther too so dont worry you'll have good company seeing people give me shit. Not one agrees with it.

Okay, lets give this a rest.


i did not start the porn thing i was only showing how funy his comment was,,,,,,,and braggin im not sure what is ment,,,,,,,the only thing i bragg about is my imunes system toher thatn that i do kinda bragg about God and his Gifts.

and no i dont find enjoyment actualy it is the oppisite,,,,,,,but if youve noticed they are just reading and watching now,,,,,,,,,and maybe have seen that they are doing exatly what you were,,,,,,,,,,i dont kow who or what started it,,,,,,,,,,heck it probley started for most in kindergaten,,,,,,,,i only did what i was lead to, and to tell you the truth,,,,,that is why i said the whole i wonder if we like the same type,,,,,sorry,,,,,,,realy i am,,,,,,,,,but it was someone else that started that,,,,,,,and i recongnized your conditoning was hindering you as to is theres, and you all where feading each others conditioning stuff,,,,,,,,,,,,,so in a way i stepped in the middle like hay im going to apear likeim beating him up and see how God adjusts it all,,,,,,,,,its a bit frightening for me when lead to do things like this,,,,because then i have to remember how many times that happens to me and at the same time not just take the underdogs side nor the groups,,,,,,,,,,,,actualy you are a victim of what is called social influence,,,,and actualy some stuff has been de-classified on the subject,,,,,,,,,,ohther is allot more to it all. but you know what it is groups that are more victims of herd social influence stuff.

[kimball13]

i just wanted you to know that,,,,,,,,,but its a bit funny because i asked someone where do wet dreams play into the whole lust, fornications, whore and ground stuff,,,,,,,,,,,so i just looke at a freind and said hay tell me this were dose wet dreams fit into the whole what is and isnt a sin as far as sexual funcions and such goes,,,,,,,,,,,so realy it was not my timing. nor desire and i did not intend to cause more conflict between you and the other person that was going on about some nostic stuff. i still need to go back and see what that was.

[miracles]

i just wanted you to know that,,,,,,,,,but its a bit funny because i asked someone where do wet dreams play into the whole lust, fornications, whore and ground stuff,,,,,,,,,,,so i just looke at a freind and said hay tell me this were dose wet dreams fit into the whole what is and isnt a sin as far as sexual funcions and such goes,,,,,,,,,,,so realy it was not my timing. nor desire and i did not intend to cause more conflict between you and the other person that was going on about some nostic stuff. i still need to go back and see what that was.

A nocturrnal omission is the body performing a natural function. However the thoughts that lead up to it (and your recollection of said thoughts) are between you and God. Let's not go there. :D

However one generally only has nocturnal omissions when they are not fornicating, so perhaps one could even says it's a blessing?

[tannah]

hay what is this Gnosis book your refering to,,,,,,,


It was something I recommended to Miracles. I read both the volumes back in the mid 80s. And it goes on to show a man made number system that christian believers used in order to relay deeper messages through the use of things like the parables in the bible. The free online book here is only a portion of the work, and I'd really recommend the second volume for a real look into the system that the Greek Christians developed.

http://www.archive.org/details/materialsforstud01leatiala



i wonder if miracles likes the same porn i do,,,,,,,,,,oops:confused:

funny miracles was a bit bussy ealeir the same time my computer was going bonkers,,my first thought was wow couldit be a passive agresive, im going to blame someoen for what im doing,,,,nah just a coinki dink.


I had some paranoid New Yorker accuse me of sending bugs to here computer a while back. Thing is, I know fck all about how to do nasty stuff like that. Plus I certainly wouldn't be tempted to do it anyway. Miracles refused to read the book I recommended him, because he won't want to budge from his insistance that Panin's discovery proves God wrote the bible. I've never heard anything so stupid personally, and for some of the reason's you're already laying out to miracles, and that some of us also have said along the way.



id like to hear his interpatation of fornication,,,,,,,i realy shouldnt hound him,,,,,,,,,heck i piss pastors of because they always start of condeming prior to investigations, then i talk shop and the look on ther face is priceless but most just go and make excuses because they realize some punk like myself is a bit more on the path than they are.


I really don't think God views and deals with sin the way books like the bible are trying to lead us to believe. And I don't think Jesus is the middle man.
Having said that, from reading the bible many times in the past, and also reading other religious books, and gnostic texts, I came to understand the way of the heart. In fact there was a book called "the way of the heart" that I found helpful at the time. And now all the idea of "the word written in the heart" means to me nowadays is that we all come with an Inner Teacher, a process that will refine us and bring us face to face with attachments of the ego, and help liberate us.

This whole number thing being proof of God is counter-productive. People would still need to accept it on faith, and one is back to square one, having to come to terms with a God that goes around killing anything at will, in the OT, then a carefully put together plan about Jesus having to shed blood in order to save us, in the NT. It reeks of control and manipulation, and a subtle way to keep people outward worshipping. A Jesus that I can respect and admire and wish to emulate is the ordinary man that has woken up, and seen his relationship with God as a kinda oneness. A man that now sees the poor and the downtrodden, thiefs and whores as more condusive to waking up than the false intelligence of the scribes and pharisees. A man that has come to understand the sinful state, being no more than the lack of inner Light, and that to help a "sinner" one does no more than share one's own light as an example. Yet, sharing this light can sometimes mean stern words, as Jesus also displayed toward those who were in authority at the time.

[kimball13]

A nocturrnal omission is the body performing a natural function. However the thoughts that lead up to it (and your recollection of said thoughts) are between you and God. Let's not go there. :D

However one generally only has nocturnal omissions when they are not fornicating, so perhaps one could even says it's a blessing?


just as i thought,,,,,,same idea,,,,,,but i usualy say to someone i was taught what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom.

Blessing never thought of it that way,,,,,but it is a shock waking up like that:eek::confused::onuff said,,,,,but nice description.

[kimball13]

;)It was something I recommended to Miracles. I read both the volumes back in the mid 80s. And it goes on to show a man made number system that christian believers used in order to relay deeper messages through the use of things like the parables in the bible. The free online book here is only a portion of the work, and I'd really recommend the second volume for a real look into the system that the Greek Christians developed.

http://www.archive.org/details/materialsforstud01leatiala






I had some paranoid New Yorker accuse me of sending bugs to here computer a while back. Thing is, I know fck all about how to do nasty stuff like that. Plus I certainly wouldn't be tempted to do it anyway. Miracles refused to read the book I recommended him, because he won't want to budge from his insistance that Panin's discovery proves God wrote the bible. I've never heard anything so stupid personally, and for some of the reason's you're already laying out to miracles, and that some of us also have said along the way.






I really don't think God views and deals with sin the way books like the bible are trying to lead us to believe. And I don't think Jesus is the middle man.
Having said that, from reading the bible many times in the past, and also reading other religious books, and gnostic texts, I came to understand the way of the heart. In fact there was a book called "the way of the heart" that I found helpful at the time. And now all the idea of "the word written in the heart" means to me nowadays is that we all come with an Inner Teacher, a process that will refine us and bring us face to face with attachments of the ego, and help liberate us.

This whole number thing being proof of God is counter-productive. People would still need to accept it on faith, and one is back to square one, having to come to terms with a God that goes around killing anything at will, in the OT, then a carefully put together plan about Jesus having to shed blood in order to save us, in the NT. It reeks of control and manipulation, and a subtle way to keep people outward worshipping. A Jesus that I can respect and admire and wish to emulate is the ordinary man that has woken up, and seen his relationship with God as a kinda oneness. A man that now sees the poor and the downtrodden, thiefs and whores as more condusive to waking up than the false intelligence of the scribes and pharisees. A man that has come to understand the sinful state, being no more than the lack of inner Light, and that to help a "sinner" one does no more than share one's own light as an example. Yet, sharing this light can sometimes mean stern words, as Jesus also displayed toward those who were in authority at the time.



exatly i realy cant argue, i can only support what you have posted hear,,,

when i read the thread i could see where allot of this control tactics play out between people knowing the same thing in there heart yet trying to say it the way some othe ingnorant more so than outselves tell us how to spread the message and Way of the Heart,,,,,,,,,,,,,as christ said, the mayans and every other group following the Way God has made for us to prosper together,,,,,,this is why that quote of christ saying there will be others saved not of his flock,,,,,even christ new there were others like him doing the same thing for there people and cultures.

so the conflict in by veiw is about bugs from unkown sorce,,,5-10 as a slave to illumi,,,,,etc,,,,,,i can understand both of your stances,,,,,,,,but both are also of the same heart pull obviously and that whatever that doesnt like us all healing is going to pull other stings of past harms and such and say look he said that or what ever,,,,,,,,instead of sticking with the misconcetions without throwing the baby out with the bath water.

and no offence miracles but if you were with them for 5-10 then it understandable its common for someone to either find or regain there faith after a trememoundouse let down and hold on to what brought them back with all there strength,,,,,,,,well its time to come ashore,,let go of the lifesaver,,,,,,,,if you had faith before your experience with them think of Daneil and the fiery furnace, or job,,,,,or many more and what there faith endured and what it became after,,,





here is a personal example,,,,,the Chanupa and its ways saved my life once and those ways kept my faith safe even in times of great hardship,,,,but it was also the word of God,,,,,,,,,,,even to this day i will light a cigaret or sing a song,,,,,,,,,i know i dont nead those objects or words but it brings me to a place of basic faith and cerimony to meditate with and focus,,,,,and i enjoy the Inipi and singing,,,,,,,,but because others think its wrong or uneaded, or whatever i dont say they are wrong instead i learn there spiritual language which comes very quike because the only differnce are the words and vocabulary as well as sentance structure,,,,,,,,,,,,and i can always find the equivelent in there ways,,,,,,,,,,,i love it especial when i get to learn as they learn and we both learn we are the same in the heart as far as God is concerned.


one example is the Inipi grounds and cerimony are laid out the same way as the Tabernacle with all of the symbols and storys,,,,,,even rev chapter four i believe describeing the throne of God in Heaven..............i could go on with the translations of the cerimonys,,,,,,but it goes deap,,,,,,,and its difficult because it challenges almost all that seek,,,,,,,,,,at first some things apear or sound blasmey type stuff but the by listening and asking questions it is found they are more alike than imagined and sometimse you find answers to mysteries in your own cultural sprituality.

All religion is, is a community expressing its prayer form and ways of following God's laws and to express there gratitude.


here is an exercise of the sould find a freind that follows a path not well known to you and engage in conversation aimed at learning and comparing without tyring to prove it wrong,,,,,,,look for similaritys,,,,,,,,,,try to prove the write first the what is questionable try and find out why it doesnt mathc with yours,,,,,,,,,mayb your both wrong or right doesnt matter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the pharasees arent going to answer questions they think there above that,,,,,,,,,,they only know how to tell you,,,never do they honestly ask a question or explane things.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Is "God" in the Bible....a projection of our own consciousness? :eek:

[miracles]

;)



exatly i realy cant argue, i can only support what you have posted hear,,,

when i read the thread i could see where allot of this control tactics play out between people knowing the same thing in there heart yet trying to say it the way some othe ingnorant more so than outselves tell us how to spread the message and Way of the Heart,,,,,,,,,,,,,as christ said, the mayans and every other group following the Way God has made for us to prosper together,,,,,,this is why that quote of christ saying there will be others saved not of his flock,,,,,even christ new there were others like him doing the same thing for there people and cultures.

so the conflict in by veiw is about bugs from unkown sorce,,,5-10 as a slave to illumi,,,,,etc,,,,,,i can understand both of your stances,,,,,,,,but both are also of the same heart pull obviously and that whatever that doesnt like us all healing is going to pull other stings of past harms and such and say look he said that or what ever,,,,,,,,instead of sticking with the misconcetions without throwing the baby out with the bath water.

and no offence miracles but if you were with them for 5-10 then it understandable its common for someone to either find or regain there faith after a trememoundouse let down and hold on to what brought them back with all there strength,,,,,,,,well its time to come ashore,,let go of the lifesaver,,,,,,,,if you had faith before your experience with them think of Daneil and the fiery furnace, or job,,,,,or many more and what there faith endured and what it became after,,,





here is a personal example,,,,,the Chanupa and its ways saved my life once and those ways kept my faith safe even in times of great hardship,,,,but it was also the word of God,,,,,,,,,,,even to this day i will light a cigaret or sing a song,,,,,,,,,i know i dont nead those objects or words but it brings me to a place of basic faith and cerimony to meditate with and focus,,,,,and i enjoy the Inipi and singing,,,,,,,,but because others think its wrong or uneaded, or whatever i dont say they are wrong instead i learn there spiritual language which comes very quike because the only differnce are the words and vocabulary as well as sentance structure,,,,,,,,,,,,and i can always find the equivelent in there ways,,,,,,,,,,,i love it especial when i get to learn as they learn and we both learn we are the same in the heart as far as God is concerned.


one example is the Inipi grounds and cerimony are laid out the same way as the Tabernacle with all of the symbols and storys,,,,,,even rev chapter four i believe describeing the throne of God in Heaven..............i could go on with the translations of the cerimonys,,,,,,but it goes deap,,,,,,,and its difficult because it challenges almost all that seek,,,,,,,,,,at first some things apear or sound blasmey type stuff but the by listening and asking questions it is found they are more alike than imagined and sometimse you find answers to mysteries in your own cultural sprituality.

All religion is, is a community expressing its prayer form and ways of following God's laws and to express there gratitude.


here is an exercise of the sould find a freind that follows a path not well known to you and engage in conversation aimed at learning and comparing without tyring to prove it wrong,,,,,,,look for similaritys,,,,,,,,,,try to prove the write first the what is questionable try and find out why it doesnt mathc with yours,,,,,,,,,mayb your both wrong or right doesnt matter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the pharasees arent going to answer questions they think there above that,,,,,,,,,,they only know how to tell you,,,never do they honestly ask a question or explane things.
None taken, But I've seen some of your other posts on other threads, I think you have a few issues yourself to deal with to be fair.

The things is I left the church but I never left the bible, I had the word of God before I entered the structured religious setting (and I might add it was not a cult it was a bible beliveing Church, but a family was running it, and it was a bit of a closed shop IE blood is thicker than water, I dodnt agree with some of their actions and management of the chruch admin, but they wher on topic with what they taught regarding the bible. And I still had the bible when I left. The bible is the plumb line of truth that seperates truth from lies. Regardless if you belive Panin or not, you can not refute his findings. To say it is rediculous and rubbish, is juat a total ignoramaous cop out.

And to tannah, I tried to find the books, as I said I couldt not locate them. I would like to read them so that I can actually see what you are banging on about. Pm me with the books and the autor if you want. Im out of here on saturday, so do it before then please. (sorry for suggesting you intentionally bugged my computer, I take that back)

Thanks

By the way, what I say in private should stay in private, its called confidentiality.

[tannah]

And to tannah, I tried to find the books, as I said I couldt not locate them. I would lime to read thesm so that I can actually see what you are banging on about. Pm me with the books and the autor if you want. Im out of here on saturday, so do it bores then please. (sorry for suggesting you intentionally bugged my computer, I take that back)

Thanks


Well I may as well post them here. Looks like Amazon has both volumes:

http://www.amazon.com/Materials-Study-Apostolic-Gnosis-Pt/dp/0766100987

http://www.amazon.com/Apostolic-Gnosis-Pt-Materials-Study/dp/1872189695/ref=pd_sim_b_5/190-7861545-0332242

[kimball13]

None taken, But I've seen some of your other posts on other threads, I think you have a few issues yourself to deal with to be fair.

The things is I left the church but I never left the bible, I had the word of God before I entered the structured religious setting (and I might add it was not a cult it was a bible beliveing Church, but a family was running it, and it was a bit of a closed shop IE blood is thicker than water, I dodnt agree with some of their actions and management of the chruch admin, but they wher on topic with what they taught regarding the bible. And I still had the bible when I left. The bible is the plumb line of truth that seperates truth from lies. Regardless if you belive Panin or not, you can not refute his findings. To say it is rediculous and rubbish, is juat a total ignoramaous cop out.

And to tannah, I tried to find the books, as I said I couldt not locate them. I would like to read them so that I can actually see what you are banging on about. Pm me with the books and the autor if you want. Im out of here on saturday, so do it before then please. (sorry for suggesting you intentionally bugged my computer, I take that back)

Thanks

By the way, what I say in private should stay in private, its called confidentiality.


dude i have to say the church has realy conditioned you severly,,,,and to judge what ive posted and take stuff out of context,,,,,,is way out of line,,,,,,,if you are refering to the 5-10 i believe you responded to a comment about the illuminate trying to recruite me,,,,,,,your responce i believe was you were in there organization fo a period of time,,,,,,,,,,,


And miricles for the record i dont know enough aoub this math stuff you speak of to judge it,,,,,,,but you base your faith on someone elses,,,,,,,as well as your arguments are based on others work,,,,,,,even blaming your family church,,,,,

if it is my posts you judge then read again read it all and maybe at least coprehend more that a pitance,,,,,,here is a scientific fact,,,,,,,,i comprehend 85% of everything i read, hear, see, etc,,,,,,,,,,the rest of ya all itn colleges maybe are lucky to understand and comprehend 15% so realy please stop trying to out piss me,,,,,,,,,,,ive been very polite as well as understanding,,,,,,,,,,but from the start youve judged and condemed without even having a pitance of experiencing what i have,,,,,,,,so if you havnet even seen my shoes how can you judge the path ive walked and the wisdom and knowledge ive had the blessing to recieve.

Your math is just BS,,sorry but thats the truth.

here is some real math.

72 angels, 72 fallen angels=144.,,,,,,,,,24 elders one male one female for the 12 tribes,,,,,,,,,,,,144,000 kings and servants of God,,,,,,,,,,oh ya then there is the 72 watchers,,,,,,,,,,,so to get the 144, one king for each 1,000:confused:,,,,,,,would mean when christ goes into hell to call his people out i wonder if this include some of his angels to,,,,,,,maybe some watchers will get of the fence,,,,,,,ya watchers are LUKE warm,,,,,,,,kinda almost like socio paths just not as nasty,,gues when you watch allot of stuff ya kinda get a bland persona,,,,,,,,,,,,so maybe lets see 36 from each group,,,,,,kinda maybe there couples,,,,,,any who,,,,,,,oh ya there is a female angel of spoken of an archangel that fought beside michael in the first war,,,,,,,,,,,ok ya following me here,,,,,,,,,,,

One God,
The Holy spirit.

The Word. and Son.

Four beasts of God.
6 archangels
24 elders
144,000
;)
now mind you one of the arch angels also holds another station in the heavenly host structure,,,,,,,,that is why only 6 are listed,,,,,,1+1= 2+4=6+4=24. goes into a mathmatical equation found in nature and turns into the 144,000. now im not going to go tomuch farther into it because ii know you might want to first start with some simple biblicle math,,,,,,,,,,now there is a thousand fould increase i believe,,,,,,,go take a look its in the book and oh by the way one of Gods days is a thousand of our years,,,,,,,,,,unless your speaking of genisis anyways one part it says uncountable and another 1,000days,,,,,,as to is the number of 144,000 i think ive read that to is uncountable something about 12x12x1,000days,,,,,,,,,uhoh thats might just be the 3 1/2 years of the anti-christs hight of power mathmaticly close enough:eek:

So what kinda math do you speak,,,,,is it clear like i just jotted down of the top of my head,,,,,realy just did it,,,,i could probley go on if i took a look in the good book,,,,,,,,so do you realy know,:confused:of what paterns you dicern,,,,,,,,oh ya it is written that if your interpetation is complicated like that fuzzy math trying to be spiritual just because its a bunch of 7 well woopy,,,,,,,,,,ever hear of creative accounting, or ponzi schemes those fooled allot of people,,,,,,

here is a concept certain numbers have a freqency and will be atracted to certain knowledge and do something that you may have come across,,,,,,,,,,,but you and that whomever doing that patern recognition obviosly dont know what your looking at,,,,,,maybe if i have time i can take a look,,,,,,,,,like i said there is a language that is all knowledge:confused:,,,,,and well look at the math that i just did it took me as long to think of it as it took to type it,,,,,,,and i can back it up in the bible in well i think one book,,,,,,but then well give me 20 minutes and im sure i ca find some sevens in there,,,,,,,do you even know what 7 is in the heavenly concept 3+3=7 i could break that down for ya,,,,and tell ya why 6 is imperfect,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.........but then most think the angelic language is something like yannnnnannoisdhguhiytth hgjhcuyuighberutyuoi jhufityo6932642 .


So if ya want to judge at least know what and whom you are judging and hay even a little lessor,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,take into consideration the actions and works of the person you judge and convict as being blasphemous, you may be commiting blasphemi by doing that to the wrong entity,,,,,,so you spent a life time in a church yet you have never learned anything about the way christ walked,,,,,,all you want is his sacrafice for your sins,,,,that is selfish and that is part of what christ ment when he said even some that believe and profess faith will not find salvation,,,,,,,and that is why,,,,,,,,because instead of advancing spiritualy most just want to justifie there form of controling God on earth, how disgusting,,,,,,,,realy take another look at allot of what most do as well as you,,,,,,,,,,the most improtant thing to you is proof that every word written in a book 1,000's of years old, and not all of it from the same period ,,,,,and that a man of God sacraficed his life for your sins,,,,,,why not much mention of his life,,,,,,,,,do you know the othes story's of christ that the tibetins have or hay even the native americans have old story's of Christ coming to them so realy think again if you believe numbers and the murdering of a honorable and great spritual elder called christ(A True King),,,,so you realy are stuck and that is tragic,,,,and dont think you are so under my skin that i wrote all of this for your benifit,,,,actualy it is for whom ever chooses to take the time to read it,,,,it might spark some true inner thought and meditation on God and the path they walk and bring a bit more of God into it,,,,,,,for me Jesus is like a best freind, it has been that way since boyhood,,,,,,,,you will probley say blasphemy but i kinda look at Him like a little brother, or a big brother that i protect,,,ive accepted that is what is in my heart and if you believe that arrogant then you dont understand true humility and other such things of the spirit. Do you think God would put that in a fanatics heart that is quike to violence, or would it be one that when he speaks people tremble, demons start to experience pain, warriors walk with caution and out of respect,,,,,,,not because of how many i have harmed or beaten up actualy the contrary,,,,,and when i have been harmed think of it as a bit nazarite and boozy,,,,,,,,its funny,,,,,but sober is another story and it is also why i do not take a stand on anything unricheouse or unholy,,,,,,but what i do stand for following God's dirrection i become unmovable,,,,youve read of the contest between one of God's prophets and the preist of bhaal,,,,and moses,,,, etc,,,,,but hay miricles i gues your one bitten by the curse of cain maybe(just asking, i took a look in my heart),,,,,,


Cain did his work around the people all the time,,,,,,,,he leaned on repatition and such,,,,,,he had know understanding of life and death, of threat and flock,,,,,,he did not comune with the creatures of the earth learning from them,,,,,,,,,,think of it this way,,,,,,,,CAin gets but hurt,,,,,,he doesnt understand that it may take time but he will get there and find favor just as able did, but he could not take correction,,,,,,,well he knew a little about what Able did for the his sacrafice and what is place in the family was tending the flock, he had to dicern a threat and if nead be kill,,,,,if it threatened the flock it threatend the family, and this was the only time this was allowed the takeing of a life not for food,,,,,,but CAin did not understand this lesson and the sacrafice and danger involved the lesson of laying ones life down for someone else,,,,,but he understood a threat and he felt Able took the blessing and if he wasnt there the threat would be gone,,,so instead of going on i hope i explaned part of CAin and able,,,,,,,,,,you see Cain even went as far as confusing how to recieve a blessing,,,,,but as time goes on and such stories get shortend or start out as short and are just used as condensed foot notes for oral instruction for leaders of the 12 tribes and preists,,,,,......


And Miricles if you want to use my other posts to justifie your stance on this subject then that shows how much you realy know other than regurgitating something that makes no sense so you can take a superior stance,,,,,,,,,and now youve met someone that does not take a superior stance because i nead not do that ,,,,,,,,,but i am someone that has had the opurtunity to experience and learn things most only hear about, most only have maybe one of my moments in a life time or offernd the jobs and carrears i have been,,,,,,,,ive been tested in every way as far as IQ, personality profile, aptitude, phycological, grade level of knowledge,,,,,,,,,,,,,one time after a month of tests, they talked to me about the results,,,,,,,they mentioned the oddities,,,,,my IQ was unreadable, abstact reasoning of the charts, i knew and had a understanding and working knowledge of some advanced stuff,,,,,,,,,oh and abstract reasoning is problem solveing, connecting the dots, with a social science lean,,,,,,,i can look at groups of people and see what the real difficulty's are in just simple interaction, just a switch in focus can make a very big differnce, a bit of time spent to be clear and consise instead of a short version of something in the form of lie because its not important.

you know that lies have energy, or lack of, or should i say a changeing effect a vibe, and so does torture,,,,,,,,,so even little ones over long periods of time can have a build up effect,,,,,,,,and i can show you,,,,,,,abu grab for example.

Do you realy want to know what Sadam Huseins weopon of mass destruction was,,,,,well take a look with spiritual eyes, or are you frightend, maybe you shouldnt some cant handle looking into the abys,,,,,,but some have to, like some that God chooses and choose as well as one angel in particular that is going to shove the enemy into the pits off hell and destoy lies/death and confusion, but thats to biblicle isnt it.

what do you know about Iraq,,,,,,,,do you know where the Tower of Bable was and its connection to Atlantis,,,,,,ohya most if not all dont know the connection,,,,,,but most speculate about atlantis and only mumble bable,,,,,,what do you know of 7 torches, or flames, what about sea of sardin glass.


If that code or patern is truly of God and not some dead end then you can find it elsewhere,,,,,,,or dont you remember that it is written that the bible is going to be missused:eek:are you changeing it and missusing it being led down a path of no fruit or spring,,,,,,,,or is it a dead trea next to a stagnant pool that looked good at first until the sun rose and you saw what you had been feasting on:confused:

I hope youve enjoyed the drama, i have its given me the opurtunity to reflect and take my mind off of other matters as well as if there is any wisdom in what ive wrote and it helps someone to progress spritualy to God the cool,,and if not then well i have by understanding the lessons a bit more that ive had in life so far.

When harmony enters chaos, harmony is percieved as chaos.

i dont walk the razors edge, i am the razors edge!

funny thing is my family has a long line of spritual men and misisters and such, as well as otherthings, in otherwords we didnt just tell everyone else how to live we helped, we built, we advised, we lead by example, we we we we we memememeememememememememeeweweweweweweweww.:eek:
woops a bit of anolog digital interferience from solar flares and earthquakes,,,,,whatch out we are being bathed in Blue light, uhoh or didnt you know.

damit thought i was a robot automaton computer didly wop for a minute.
oh ya i forgot some dont like humor in serios subjects, gotta keep a steady flow, cant change the rythim, gotta make sure not to let our humanity mix with our religion,,,,,,,,after all our religion is seprate from our personality, or have some forgotten about personal relationship with God as you understand IT ALL.

You see miricle i havent had the chance to have to defend my faith or what i know about the christian concept of God, nor any other form, it defends itself,,,,,,,ive had my hands full using my faith to do works,,,,,,instead of what most choose to do and avangelize and proslatize and profess faith thinking if they cry loud enough they will have salvation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i saldy and honorably have had to know God in many ways to just survive,,,,,,,,if you think any of what ive posted about my experiences aas well as visions and what seem to be kinda flash memories of sorts are delusions please point some out,,,,,,,,,,,,im very sure i can back my side up,,,but can you explane it when i do or are you going to find some kinda numerical patern in my posts,,,,,,,,oh ya ther is at times its kinda cool,,,,,,,i like syncronicity part of why is because its God speaking in a launguage based on my expeireinces,,,,,,,,,,oops is that a secret,,,,,,oh ya you want to know what the secret of life is, there is no secret, just know life.:cool:

and if you dont shower you balls might ictch, after all clenlyness is next to godlyness.

[miracles]

dude i have to say the church has realy conditioned you severly,,,,and to judge what ive posted and take stuff out of context,,,,,,is way out of line,,,,,,,if you are refering to the 5-10 i believe you responded to a comment about the illuminate trying to recruite me,,,,,,,your responce i believe was you were in there organization fo a period of time,,,,,,,,,,,


And miricles for the record i dont know enough aoub this math stuff you speak of to judge it,,,,,,,but you base your faith on someone elses,,,,,,,as well as your arguments are based on others work,,,,,,,even blaming your family church,,,,,

if it is my posts you judge then read again read it all and maybe at least coprehend more that a pitance,,,,,,here is a scientific fact,,,,,,,,i comprehend 85% of everything i read, hear, see, etc,,,,,,,,,,the rest of ya all itn colleges maybe are lucky to understand and comprehend 15% so realy please stop trying to out piss me,,,,,,,,,,,ive been very polite as well as understanding,,,,,,,,,,but from the start youve judged and condemed without even having a pitance of experiencing what i have,,,,,,,,so if you havnet even seen my shoes how can you judge the path ive walked and the wisdom and knowledge ive had the blessing to recieve.

Your math is just BS,,sorry but thats the truth.

here is some real math.

72 angels, 72 fallen angels=144.,,,,,,,,,24 elders one male one female for the 12 tribes,,,,,,,,,,,,144,000 kings and servants of God,,,,,,,,,,oh ya then there is the 72 watchers,,,,,,,,,,,so to get the 144, one king for each 1,000:confused:,,,,,,,would mean when christ goes into hell to call his people out i wonder if this include some of his angels to,,,,,,,maybe some watchers will get of the fence,,,,,,,ya watchers are LUKE warm,,,,,,,,kinda almost like socio paths just not as nasty,,gues when you watch allot of stuff ya kinda get a bland persona,,,,,,,,,,,,so maybe lets see 36 from each group,,,,,,kinda maybe there couples,,,,,,any who,,,,,,,oh ya there is a female angel of spoken of an archangel that fought beside michael in the first war,,,,,,,,,,,ok ya following me here,,,,,,,,,,,

One God,
The Holy spirit.

The Word. and Son.

Four beasts of God.
6 archangels
24 elders
144,000
;)
now mind you one of the arch angels also holds another station in the heavenly host structure,,,,,,,,that is why only 6 are listed,,,,,,1+1= 2+4=6+4=24. goes into a mathmatical equation found in nature and turns into the 144,000. now im not going to go tomuch farther into it because ii know you might want to first start with some simple biblicle math,,,,,,,,,,now there is a thousand fould increase i believe,,,,,,,go take a look its in the book and oh by the way one of Gods days is a thousand of our years,,,,,,,,,,unless your speaking of genisis anyways one part it says uncountable and another 1,000days,,,,,,as to is the number of 144,000 i think ive read that to is uncountable something about 12x12x1,000days,,,,,,,,,uhoh thats might just be the 3 1/2 years of the anti-christs hight of power mathmaticly close enough:eek:

So what kinda math do you speak,,,,,is it clear like i just jotted down of the top of my head,,,,,realy just did it,,,,i could probley go on if i took a look in the good book,,,,,,,,so do you realy know,:confused:of what paterns you dicern,,,,,,,,oh ya it is written that if your interpetation is complicated like that fuzzy math trying to be spiritual just because its a bunch of 7 well woopy,,,,,,,,,,ever hear of creative accounting, or ponzi schemes those fooled allot of people,,,,,,

here is a concept certain numbers have a freqency and will be atracted to certain knowledge and do something that you may have come across,,,,,,,,,,,but you and that whomever doing that patern recognition obviosly dont know what your looking at,,,,,,maybe if i have time i can take a look,,,,,,,,,like i said there is a language that is all knowledge:confused:,,,,,and well look at the math that i just did it took me as long to think of it as it took to type it,,,,,,,and i can back it up in the bible in well i think one book,,,,,,but then well give me 20 minutes and im sure i ca find some sevens in there,,,,,,,do you even know what 7 is in the heavenly concept 3+3=7 i could break that down for ya,,,,and tell ya why 6 is imperfect,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.........but then most think the angelic language is something like yannnnnannoisdhguhiytth hgjhcuyuighberutyuoi jhufityo6932642 .


So if ya want to judge at least know what and whom you are judging and hay even a little lessor,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,take into consideration the actions and works of the person you judge and convict as being blasphemous, you may be commiting blasphemi by doing that to the wrong entity,,,,,,so you spent a life time in a church yet you have never learned anything about the way christ walked,,,,,,all you want is his sacrafice for your sins,,,,that is selfish and that is part of what christ ment when he said even some that believe and profess faith will not find salvation,,,,,,,and that is why,,,,,,,,because instead of advancing spiritualy most just want to justifie there form of controling God on earth, how disgusting,,,,,,,,realy take another look at allot of what most do as well as you,,,,,,,,,,the most improtant thing to you is proof that every word written in a book 1,000's of years old, and not all of it from the same period ,,,,,and that a man of God sacraficed his life for your sins,,,,,,why not much mention of his life,,,,,,,,,do you know the othes story's of christ that the tibetins have or hay even the native americans have old story's of Christ coming to them so realy think again if you believe numbers and the murdering of a honorable and great spritual elder called christ(A True King),,,,so you realy are stuck and that is tragic,,,,and dont think you are so under my skin that i wrote all of this for your benifit,,,,actualy it is for whom ever chooses to take the time to read it,,,,it might spark some true inner thought and meditation on God and the path they walk and bring a bit more of God into it,,,,,,,for me Jesus is like a best freind, it has been that way since boyhood,,,,,,,,you will probley say blasphemy but i kinda look at Him like a little brother, or a big brother that i protect,,,ive accepted that is what is in my heart and if you believe that arrogant then you dont understand true humility and other such things of the spirit. Do you think God would put that in a fanatics heart that is quike to violence, or would it be one that when he speaks people tremble, demons start to experience pain, warriors walk with caution and out of respect,,,,,,,not because of how many i have harmed or beaten up actualy the contrary,,,,,and when i have been harmed think of it as a bit nazarite and boozy,,,,,,,,its funny,,,,,but sober is another story and it is also why i do not take a stand on anything unricheouse or unholy,,,,,,but what i do stand for following God's dirrection i become unmovable,,,,youve read of the contest between one of God's prophets and the preist of bhaal,,,,and moses,,,, etc,,,,,but hay miricles i gues your one bitten by the curse of cain maybe(just asking, i took a look in my heart),,,,,,


Cain did his work around the people all the time,,,,,,,,he leaned on repatition and such,,,,,,he had know understanding of life and death, of threat and flock,,,,,,he did not comune with the creatures of the earth learning from them,,,,,,,,,,think of it this way,,,,,,,,CAin gets but hurt,,,,,,he doesnt understand that it may take time but he will get there and find favor just as able did, but he could not take correction,,,,,,,well he knew a little about what Able did for the his sacrafice and what is place in the family was tending the flock, he had to dicern a threat and if nead be kill,,,,,if it threatened the flock it threatend the family, and this was the only time this was allowed the takeing of a life not for food,,,,,,but CAin did not understand this lesson and the sacrafice and danger involved the lesson of laying ones life down for someone else,,,,,but he understood a threat and he felt Able took the blessing and if he wasnt there the threat would be gone,,,so instead of going on i hope i explaned part of CAin and able,,,,,,,,,,you see Cain even went as far as confusing how to recieve a blessing,,,,,but as time goes on and such stories get shortend or start out as short and are just used as condensed foot notes for oral instruction for leaders of the 12 tribes and preists,,,,,......


And Miricles if you want to use my other posts to justifie your stance on this subject then that shows how much you realy know other than regurgitating something that makes no sense so you can take a superior stance,,,,,,,,,and now youve met someone that does not take a superior stance because i nead not do that ,,,,,,,,,but i am someone that has had the opurtunity to experience and learn things most only hear about, most only have maybe one of my moments in a life time or offernd the jobs and carrears i have been,,,,,,,,ive been tested in every way as far as IQ, personality profile, aptitude, phycological, grade level of knowledge,,,,,,,,,,,,,one time after a month of tests, they talked to me about the results,,,,,,,they mentioned the oddities,,,,,my IQ was unreadable, abstact reasoning of the charts, i knew and had a understanding and working knowledge of some advanced stuff,,,,,,,,,oh and abstract reasoning is problem solveing, connecting the dots, with a social science lean,,,,,,,i can look at groups of people and see what the real difficulty's are in just simple interaction, just a switch in focus can make a very big differnce, a bit of time spent to be clear and consise instead of a short version of something in the form of lie because its not important.

you know that lies have energy, or lack of, or should i say a changeing effect a vibe, and so does torture,,,,,,,,,so even little ones over long periods of time can have a build up effect,,,,,,,,and i can show you,,,,,,,abu grab for example.

Do you realy want to know what Sadam Huseins weopon of mass destruction was,,,,,well take a look with spiritual eyes, or are you frightend, maybe you shouldnt some cant handle looking into the abys,,,,,,but some have to, like some that God chooses and choose as well as one angel in particular that is going to shove the enemy into the pits off hell and destoy lies/death and confusion, but thats to biblicle isnt it.

what do you know about Iraq,,,,,,,,do you know where the Tower of Bable was and its connection to Atlantis,,,,,,ohya most if not all dont know the connection,,,,,,but most speculate about atlantis and only mumble bable,,,,,,what do you know of 7 torches, or flames, what about sea of sardin glass.


If that code or patern is truly of God and not some dead end then you can find it elsewhere,,,,,,,or dont you remember that it is written that the bible is going to be missused:eek:are you changeing it and missusing it being led down a path of no fruit or spring,,,,,,,,or is it a dead trea next to a stagnant pool that looked good at first until the sun rose and you saw what you had been feasting on:confused:

I hope youve enjoyed the drama, i have its given me the opurtunity to reflect and take my mind off of other matters as well as if there is any wisdom in what ive wrote and it helps someone to progress spritualy to God the cool,,and if not then well i have by understanding the lessons a bit more that ive had in life so far.

When harmony enters chaos, harmony is percieved as chaos.

i dont walk the razors edge, i am the razors edge!

funny thing is my family has a long line of spritual men and misisters and such, as well as otherthings, in otherwords we didnt just tell everyone else how to live we helped, we built, we advised, we lead by example, we we we we we memememeememememememememeeweweweweweweweww.:eek:
woops a bit of anolog digital interferience from solar flares and earthquakes,,,,,whatch out we are being bathed in Blue light, uhoh or didnt you know.

damit thought i was a robot automaton computer didly wop for a minute.
oh ya i forgot some dont like humor in serios subjects, gotta keep a steady flow, cant change the rythim, gotta make sure not to let our humanity mix with our religion,,,,,,,,after all our religion is seprate from our personality, or have some forgotten about personal relationship with God as you understand IT ALL.

You see miricle i havent had the chance to have to defend my faith or what i know about the christian concept of God, nor any other form, it defends itself,,,,,,,ive had my hands full using my faith to do works,,,,,,instead of what most choose to do and avangelize and proslatize and profess faith thinking if they cry loud enough they will have salvation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i saldy and honorably have had to know God in many ways to just survive,,,,,,,,if you think any of what ive posted about my experiences aas well as visions and what seem to be kinda flash memories of sorts are delusions please point some out,,,,,,,,,,,,im very sure i can back my side up,,,but can you explane it when i do or are you going to find some kinda numerical patern in my posts,,,,,,,,oh ya ther is at times its kinda cool,,,,,,,i like syncronicity part of why is because its God speaking in a launguage based on my expeireinces,,,,,,,,,,oops is that a secret,,,,,,oh ya you want to know what the secret of life is, there is no secret, just know life.:cool:

and if you dont shower you balls might ictch, after all clenlyness is next to godlyness.

Sorry I did say the five to ten thing publically my bad. I applogize for bringing your good name into disrepute. (got confused because we had quite an amicable private chat, but still I dont expect it to be used against me in a later post from you. Which in my opinion thats what you did, (and you have done it this post too) .Ill read this what appers to be an incoherant book you posted later, maybe.

Also sorry I now see that you are super human being above and beyond the normal mortal. I wasn't aware of your speacial powers I bow in awe at your majesty and awesomeness thanks for even talking to me I'm very humbled. Perhaps some of your greatness and awesomeness will rub of on me. Shall I call you "your highness form now on, or master, or all seeing brown eye?

Calm down mate, what are the man from atlantis or something?? Sheesh.


Suggestion to all forum contributers, dont share private and personal information with people on the forum, it only gets spat in your face later.

[kimball13]

Sorry I did say the five to ten thing publically my bad. I applogize for bringing your good name into disrepute. (got confused because we had quite an amicable private chat, but still I dont expect it to be used against me in a later post from you. Which in my opinion thats what you did, (and you have done it this post too) .Ill read this what appers to be an incoherant book you posted later, maybe.

Also sorry I now see that you are super human being above and beyond the normal mortal. I wasn't aware of your speacial powers I bow in awe at your majesty and awesomeness thanks for even talking to me I'm very humbled. Perhaps some of your greatness and awesomeness will rub of on me. Shall I call you "your highness form now on, or master, or all seeing brown eye?

Calm down mate, what are the man from atlantis or something?? Sheesh.


Suggestion to all forum contributers, dont share private and personal information with people on the forum, it only gets spat in your face later.


oh go on and play victim,,,,,,,,,oh poor you,,,,,,,,,,,,your just making allot of it up,,,,,,oh my my................super human na never realy said that actualy,,,,,,maybe a bit above average,,,,,,,,,but then becuase of you obviose low self esteem looking for a cozy hot rock to crawl under..

oh and your love for us all is so overwhealming,,,,,,,maybe i should right poetry,,,,,,there i used one of your posts from another thread to point out how double tounguenged you are,,,,,,,,,,,,ok when eating cat but not when discussing the soul,,,,,,,,,,wow youve realy gotta read your own posts and slow down,,,,,,,,,,but hay i know your kind,,,,,,was hoping i was wrong but oh well i dont have say in what you do with you sanity,,,,,,,,,,,ya kinda have a opesdei tilt going on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or a matyr complex with a snake slant,,,,,,,maybe it would be better if you just put info up and stopped looking for people to make you feal better by bashing them then when they point out your bashing you crie that your being bashed oh my God just like an abusive manhater that chases you around with a bat and knife then picks up the phone and calls 911 and tells the cops that your doing it,,,,,,the cops get there and see the man sitting there wounded and you still try to say he did it to you but you have not scrapes or wounds yet the oterh guy is bleading and such,,,,,,,,,,,and even then you argue you a victim,,,,,,,,oh my God you might want to look up pathalogical.

so just remember if your a snake and cozy up to me, i might be a snake eating eagle.

and your superhuman coment shows how much like Cain you are.

but hay if you dont see your own divinity and potential to become more than you think through faith then so be it,,,,,,,,i never said nobody else was super,,,,,,,,or should i say able to do miraculus things,,,,,,,,,and a handl like miricles,,,,,,,,,,,so is that true are you a miricle or is it just a word to you like it is to satan,,,,,,,,,,realy ive read for 2 days your constant attacks and defensiveness,,,,,,,,,wow,,,,,,,,but ya know ive seen this before it happens when a controler has lost there control,,,,,,,,,,,,socio paths have this responce to,,,,,,,or shizo prenics,,,,,,,,,but hay im jumping to conclusions based on some confused posts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh but maybe good gramar and sentances structure is a singn of sanity,,not.

funy the superhuman thing that is how i see Jashua of jericho, Gideon, King david etc.

I want to say i feal i did not waste my time on you because you have been invaluble in proveing that the bible is used by many as a tool to do the devils work,,,,,,,and if the word it written on you heart then no one serving the devil can stand up to the Word on the heart no matter how much they memorize of find some fuzzy math to dazzle you with because they have no understanding of what is being thought,,,,,,,,,,,wow i am not amazed,,,,,,but not even suprised ive gotten used to this,,,,,,,,,,i realy dont like making people look foolish at all,,,,,actualy i prefer to help others regain face and honor even at the cost of my own so calle social status,,,,,,,,,,but allas your heart seems to be uncircumsized.

Wonder what cult retrieval is, well think of spritual and physical matial arts,,,,,well some may understand a bit better what a shoulin monk or Templar are now,,,,,,,,wethr its of the mind or body if the word is on the heart the enemy is always a bit confused and weakend because that is the spririt of the enemy and if they go up against one of us it becomes obviose,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh and some feal sorry for guys like you and some like yo u, will go and say he bullie me, he set me up, he humiliated me oh he he he did id di, but then mayb e you should go loook into aikido and its teachings and you will find the form i have used for us both,,,,,,,

There have at it miricles shred it apart find one word and build a case on it,,,,,,maybe you will find the word nut a few paragraphs back and put it with the word case i just wrote in this run on sentance and say i called you a nut case, so there ya go i just condensed it for ya for easier blameing.

may you step out of the showdows into Gods light, or would you melt.

[miracles]

oh go on and play victim,,,,,,,,,oh poor you,,,,,,,,,,,,your just making allot of it up,,,,,,oh my my................super human na never realy said that actualy,,,,,,maybe a bit above average,,,,,,,,,but then becuase of you obviose low self esteem looking for a cozy hot rock to crawl under..

oh and your love for us all is so overwhealming,,,,,,,maybe i should right poetry,,,,,,there i used one of your posts from another thread to point out how double tounguenged you are,,,,,,,,,,,,ok when eating cat but not when discussing the soul,,,,,,,,,,wow youve realy gotta read your own posts and slow down,,,,,,,,,,but hay i know your kind,,,,,,was hoping i was wrong but oh well i dont have say in what you do with you sanity,,,,,,,,,,,ya kinda have a opesdei tilt going on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or a matyr complex with a snake slant,,,,,,,maybe it would be better if you just put info up and stopped looking for people to make you feal better by bashing them then when they point out your bashing you crie that your being bashed oh my God just like an abusive manhater that chases you around with a bat and knife then picks up the phone and calls 911 and tells the cops that your doing it,,,,,,the cops get there and see the man sitting there wounded and you still try to say he did it to you but you have not scrapes or wounds yet the oterh guy is bleading and such,,,,,,,,,,,and even then you argue you a victim,,,,,,,,oh my God you might want to look up pathalogical.

so just remember if your a snake and cozy up to me, i might be a snake eating eagle.

and your superhuman coment shows how much like Cain you are.

but hay if you dont see your own divinity and potential to become more than you think through faith then so be it,,,,,,,,i never said nobody else was super,,,,,,,,or should i say able to do miraculus things,,,,,,,,,and a handl like miricles,,,,,,,,,,,so is that true are you a miricle or is it just a word to you like it is to satan,,,,,,,,,,realy ive read for 2 days your constant attacks and defensiveness,,,,,,,,,wow,,,,,,,,but ya know ive seen this before it happens when a controler has lost there control,,,,,,,,,,,,socio paths have this responce to,,,,,,,or shizo prenics,,,,,,,,,but hay im jumping to conclusions based on some confused posts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh but maybe good gramar and sentances structure is a singn of sanity,,not.

funy the superhuman thing that is how i see Jashua of jericho, Gideon, King david etc.

I want to say i feal i did not waste my time on you because you have been invaluble in proveing that the bible is used by many as a tool to do the devils work,,,,,,,and if the word it written on you heart then no one serving the devil can stand up to the Word on the heart no matter how much they memorize of find some fuzzy math to dazzle you with because they have no understanding of what is being thought,,,,,,,,,,,wow i am not amazed,,,,,,but not even suprised ive gotten used to this,,,,,,,,,,i realy dont like making people look foolish at all,,,,,actualy i prefer to help others regain face and honor even at the cost of my own so calle social status,,,,,,,,,,but allas your heart seems to be uncircumsized.

Wonder what cult retrieval is, well think of spritual and physical matial arts,,,,,well some may understand a bit better what a shoulin monk or Templar are now,,,,,,,,wethr its of the mind or body if the word is on the heart the enemy is always a bit confused and weakend because that is the spririt of the enemy and if they go up against one of us it becomes obviose,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh and some feal sorry for guys like you and some like yo u, will go and say he bullie me, he set me up, he humiliated me oh he he he did id di, but then mayb e you should go loook into aikido and its teachings and you will find the form i have used for us both,,,,,,,

There have at it miricles shred it apart find one word and build a case on it,,,,,,maybe you will find the word nut a few paragraphs back and put it with the word case i just wrote in this run on sentance and say i called you a nut case, so there ya go i just condensed it for ya for easier blameing.

may you step out of the showdows into Gods light, or would you melt.

Do you feel better now. :rolleyes:

Im a black belt in origami mate.

[kimball13]

The answer is yes the bible is a tool used by the devil(satan).

it is written that is is at times many times,,,,,,,,,,,not only is it in the bible but many have seen many times it being ddone be people to harm othes so its obviose,,,,,,,,,and miricles i do think your level of humility does not even allow youself to question yourself or even consider that you may fall into certain catagories but because of this deficiancy you may find yourself beyond a turning point,,,,,and im not willing to be wrong anymore so thank you for letting me know my patients and such has met its criteria and i do not have to entertain and tolerate turning the other cheak type thing,,,,,,,,,,ohim sorry maybe i used to many parable, examples, metphors and such,,,,,,,,,,oh do you know what it means to know the word of God





mathew 4-6

http://bible.cc/matthew/4-6.htm
http://bible.cc/parallel3.gifNIV© (http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"NAS© (http://nasb.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, 'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'"ISV© (http://isv.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)He said to Jesus, "Since you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, because it is written, 'God will put his angels in charge of you,' and 'With their hands they will hold you up, so that you will never hit your foot against a rock.'"GWT© (http://gwt.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)He said to Jesus, "If you are the Son of God, jump! Scripture says, 'He will put his angels in charge of you. They will carry you in their hands so that you never hit your foot against a rock.'"KJV (http://kingjbible.com/matthew/4.htm)And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.AKJ (http://kjv.us/matthew/4.htm)And said to him, If you be the Son of God, cast yourself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning you: and in their hands they shall bear you up, lest at any time you dash your foot against a stone.ASV (http://asvbible.com/matthew/4.htm)and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.BBE (http://basicenglishbible.com/matthew/4.htm)If you are the Son of God, let yourself go down; for it is in the Writings, He will give his angels care over you; and, In their hands they will keep you up, so that your foot may not be crushed against a stone.DRB (http://drb.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)And said to him: If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down, for it is written: That he hath given his angels charge over thee, and in their hands shall they bear thee up, lest perhaps thou dash thy foot against a stone. DBY (http://darbybible.com/matthew/4.htm)and says to him, If thou be Son of God cast thyself down; for it is written, He shall give charge to his angels concerning thee, and on their hands shall they bear thee, lest in anywise thou strike thy foot against a stone.ERV (http://erv.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: And on their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.WBS (http://websterbible.com/matthew/4.htm)And saith to him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down, for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall uphold thee, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.WEY (http://weymouthbible.com/matthew/4.htm)and said, "If you are God's Son, throw yourself down; for it is written, "'To His angels He will give orders concerning thee, and on their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any moment thou shouldst strike thy foot against a stone.'"WEB (http://worldebible.com/matthew/4.htm)and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written, 'He will put his angels in charge of you.' and, 'On their hands they will bear you up, so that you don't dash your foot against a stone.'"YLT (http://yltbible.com/matthew/4.htm)and saith to him, 'If Son thou art of God -- cast thyself down, for it hath been written, that, His messengers He shall charge concerning thee, and on hands they shall bear thee up, that thou mayest not dash on a stone thy foot.'









Do you feel better now. :rolleyes:

Im a black belt in origami mate.

Cool you know how to conserve tolet paper, any way im just going to chalk this up as agreaing to disagree, this is not contigent on your fealings, im just saying it nicely,,,,,,,,i can use the non-pc term, its called your hopeless.

and by the way Politicaly correct is a from of lying.

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/10154203/2/istockphoto_10154203-jesus-flipping-the-bird.jpg

Do yourself a favor and read Isaiah 53, and then if you want to judge and condem me as you have been then at least you will have an idea of where you stand and what you judge.

im at a loss for snide comments an joviality, as well as patients or desire to even think i can share what ive recieved and gained,,,,,,,your not one to recieve your one of those that only knows how to take and manipulate,,,,,,,,you are incapbale of recieveing because of s distoreted value system,,,,,,,,you would have to admit that you could have never gotten it or understood it on your own, it has to be freely recieved as it is given, and because of the humility required to recieve the Gifts of the Holy Spirit you do not have. You cant even recognize what meakness is, you couldn not even recognize a servant of God because you may not have the capacity to understand or even recognize meak.....and the messed up part of it all is a baby does,an animal, the mentaly ill and sorrowfull, the innocent and rermorsefull no what meakness is without even a thought about it,,,,,,,,,some sense it and see it but because of the rarety it causes them a bit of fear and nervouseness and this is because the are closer to that inner child there heart, the part that is trying to come to God just as chirst instructed to come to God as a child.

Wow you sure do like to have pissing contests,,,,,,do you have low-selfesteem or is it that you cannot accept that others may have gifts you do not, yet when someone trys there dambdest to see what gifts you have and enjoy sharing in the gifts we have been given in a synergistic, sybiotic, interdependant relationship and help the solution of mankind becomeing more of what God intended.

But it just looks as if your looking for a fight and blaming it on being Irish from a family that owns its own church hinting at either leaving the illuminate, or were you kicked out because even they could not understand why the incesant nead to put others down and anytime you see that someone may have a gift of exeptional quality or quantity you do what a spoiled child does,,,,,,,,wow,,,,,,,,,,but hay do you feel better now,,,,,,,heck im getting a kick out of this a bit,,,,,,,,,,ive desided being upset at the waste some choose to make of themselves whille trying to cause strife is not going to help you or the ones you harm,,,,,,,,,,,so instead im going to accept that the fealing of joy watching your kind make fools of yourselves and you are seen for what you realy are.

ive tried to give you the oppurtunity to show me something of a spiritual nature yet all you have done is tickle ears and flatter followed by some kinda backstab method to cause a fealing of inferiority,,,,,funny thing though you just prove my point.



so read isaiah 53, then if you want to judge and condem what you have no understanding of.

http://madtokyo.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/flame.jpg?w=200&h=279


http://madtokyo.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/christ.jpg?w=300&h=298


The Bible itself says it will be used as the devils tool:eek:;) and im pretty sure this is what Christ has to say (as well as how he might express himself towards such distingguished individuals such as the Pope) to those that use the good book as a tool of the devil.



http://wooq.blogspot.com/2005/08/biblical-warnings-against-false.html
Biblical Warnings against False Teachings



"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." (Matthew 7:15)
"and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people." (Matthew 24:11)
"For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible." (Matthew 24:24)
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." (2 Timothy 4:3)
"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves." (2 Peter 2:1)
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)
i realy think miricles can only memorize and regurgitate, that way he doesnt nead to understand.


if this is to much go ahead and take it down administrators,,,,,,,,im only using these pictures to show an example of the emotional side and personal side of jesus as depicted in the passage when he goes into the temple and turns the talbles over calling the merchanst all sorts of names for churning his Fathers house into a den of money changers and inequety,,,,,at the time he used some pretty choice language,,,,,,and it is a modern representation of what christ may do to show ow he feals the Bible has been used by devil,satan,bad evil people, etc,,,,,,,,

That and its kinda funny, and shows a bit of hay ya its true but hay dont be so uptight because that is why the devil uses it to get everyone to become so by the book based on missinterpeted words and such as well as missing the point all together so instead of ,,,,,,,ah screw it if you dont understand by now you never will,,,,,but i know better because an andministator knows what is apropriate maybe better than i and i will not take any offence or feal judged at all,,,,,,actualy i understand but i do hope miricles reads it im sure he will enjoy it in his own strange way,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but if you do have to remove it please try to put the bible verses back up or let me know so i can put them back up.

[miracles]

The answer is yes the bible is a tool used by the devil(satan).

it is written that is is at times many times,,,,,,,,,,,not only is it in the bible but many have seen many times it being ddone be people to harm othes so its obviose,,,,,,,,,and miricles i do think your level of humility does not even allow youself to question yourself or even consider that you may fall into certain catagories but because of this deficiancy you may find yourself beyond a turning point,,,,,and im not willing to be wrong anymore so thank you for letting me know my patients and such has met its criteria and i do not have to entertain and tolerate turning the other cheak type thing,,,,,,,,,,ohim sorry maybe i used to many parable, examples, metphors and such,,,,,,,,,,oh do you know what it means to know the word of God





mathew 4-6

http://bible.cc/matthew/4-6.htm
http://bible.cc/parallel3.gifNIV© (http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"NAS© (http://nasb.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, 'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'"ISV© (http://isv.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)He said to Jesus, "Since you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, because it is written, 'God will put his angels in charge of you,' and 'With their hands they will hold you up, so that you will never hit your foot against a rock.'"GWT© (http://gwt.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)He said to Jesus, "If you are the Son of God, jump! Scripture says, 'He will put his angels in charge of you. They will carry you in their hands so that you never hit your foot against a rock.'"KJV (http://kingjbible.com/matthew/4.htm)And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.AKJ (http://kjv.us/matthew/4.htm)And said to him, If you be the Son of God, cast yourself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning you: and in their hands they shall bear you up, lest at any time you dash your foot against a stone.ASV (http://asvbible.com/matthew/4.htm)and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.BBE (http://basicenglishbible.com/matthew/4.htm)If you are the Son of God, let yourself go down; for it is in the Writings, He will give his angels care over you; and, In their hands they will keep you up, so that your foot may not be crushed against a stone.DRB (http://drb.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)And said to him: If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down, for it is written: That he hath given his angels charge over thee, and in their hands shall they bear thee up, lest perhaps thou dash thy foot against a stone. DBY (http://darbybible.com/matthew/4.htm)and says to him, If thou be Son of God cast thyself down; for it is written, He shall give charge to his angels concerning thee, and on their hands shall they bear thee, lest in anywise thou strike thy foot against a stone.ERV (http://erv.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm)and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: And on their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.WBS (http://websterbible.com/matthew/4.htm)And saith to him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down, for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall uphold thee, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.WEY (http://weymouthbible.com/matthew/4.htm)and said, "If you are God's Son, throw yourself down; for it is written, "'To His angels He will give orders concerning thee, and on their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any moment thou shouldst strike thy foot against a stone.'"WEB (http://worldebible.com/matthew/4.htm)and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written, 'He will put his angels in charge of you.' and, 'On their hands they will bear you up, so that you don't dash your foot against a stone.'"YLT (http://yltbible.com/matthew/4.htm)and saith to him, 'If Son thou art of God -- cast thyself down, for it hath been written, that, His messengers He shall charge concerning thee, and on hands they shall bear thee up, that thou mayest not dash on a stone thy foot.'











Cool you know how to conserve tolet paper, any way im just going to chalk this up as agreaing to disagree, this is not contigent on your fealings, im just saying it nicely,,,,,,,,i can use the non-pc term, its called your hopeless.

and by the way Politicaly correct is a from of lying.

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/10154203/2/istockphoto_10154203-jesus-flipping-the-bird.jpg

Do yourself a favor and read Isaiah 53, and then if you want to judge and condem me as you have been then at least you will have an idea of where you stand and what you judge.

im at a loss for snide comments an joviality, as well as patients or desire to even think i can share what ive recieved and gained,,,,,,,your not one to recieve your one of those that only knows how to take and manipulate,,,,,,,,you are incapbale of recieveing because of s distoreted value system,,,,,,,,you would have to admit that you could have never gotten it or understood it on your own, it has to be freely recieved as it is given, and because of the humility required to recieve the Gifts of the Holy Spirit you do not have. You cant even recognize what meakness is, you couldn not even recognize a servant of God because you may not have the capacity to understand or even recognize meak.....and the messed up part of it all is a baby does,an animal, the mentaly ill and sorrowfull, the innocent and rermorsefull no what meakness is without even a thought about it,,,,,,,,,some sense it and see it but because of the rarety it causes them a bit of fear and nervouseness and this is because the are closer to that inner child there heart, the part that is trying to come to God just as chirst instructed to come to God as a child.

Wow you sure do like to have pissing contests,,,,,,do you have low-selfesteem or is it that you cannot accept that others may have gifts you do not, yet when someone trys there dambdest to see what gifts you have and enjoy sharing in the gifts we have been given in a synergistic, sybiotic, interdependant relationship and help the solution of mankind becomeing more of what God intended.

But it just looks as if your looking for a fight and blaming it on being Irish from a family that owns its own church hinting at either leaving the illuminate, or were you kicked out because even they could not understand why the incesant nead to put others down and anytime you see that someone may have a gift of exeptional quality or quantity you do what a spoiled child does,,,,,,,,wow,,,,,,,,,,but hay do you feel better now,,,,,,,heck im getting a kick out of this a bit,,,,,,,,,,ive desided being upset at the waste some choose to make of themselves whille trying to cause strife is not going to help you or the ones you harm,,,,,,,,,,,so instead im going to accept that the fealing of joy watching your kind make fools of yourselves and you are seen for what you realy are.

ive tried to give you the oppurtunity to show me something of a spiritual nature yet all you have done is tickle ears and flatter followed by some kinda backstab method to cause a fealing of inferiority,,,,,funny thing though you just prove my point.



so read isaiah 53, then if you want to judge and condem what you have no understanding of.

http://madtokyo.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/flame.jpg?w=200&h=279


http://madtokyo.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/christ.jpg?w=300&h=298


The Bible itself says it will be used as the devils tool:eek:;) and im pretty sure this is what Christ has to say (as well as how he might express himself towards such distingguished individuals such as the Pope) to those that use the good book as a tool of the devil.



http://wooq.blogspot.com/2005/08/biblical-warnings-against-false.html
Biblical Warnings against False Teachings



"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." (Matthew 7:15)
"and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people." (Matthew 24:11)
"For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible." (Matthew 24:24)
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." (2 Timothy 4:3)
"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves." (2 Peter 2:1)
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)
i realy think miricles can only memorize and regurgitate, that way he doesnt nead to understand.


if this is to much go ahead and take it down administrators,,,,,,,,im only using these pictures to show an example of the emotional side and personal side of jesus as depicted in the passage when he goes into the temple and turns the talbles over calling the merchanst all sorts of names for churning his Fathers house into a den of money changers and inequety,,,,,at the time he used some pretty choice language,,,,,,and it is a modern representation of what christ may do to show ow he feals the Bible has been used by devil,satan,bad evil people, etc,,,,,,,,

That and its kinda funny, and shows a bit of hay ya its true but hay dont be so uptight because that is why the devil uses it to get everyone to become so by the book based on missinterpeted words and such as well as missing the point all together so instead of ,,,,,,,ah screw it if you dont understand by now you never will,,,,,but i know better because an andministator knows what is apropriate maybe better than i and i will not take any offence or feal judged at all,,,,,,actualy i understand but i do hope miricles reads it im sure he will enjoy it in his own strange way,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but if you do have to remove it please try to put the bible verses back up or let me know so i can put them back up.

I dont judge and condem you, Im just sharp and I lance boils, and we know what comes out of boils. Im sure you are feeling much better now

Love you brother.

PS any child of the most high God who is suffering from low self esteem has obviously forgotten he is a child of the most high God. I haven't forgotten.

PPS I love Jesus throwing the bird shot. Ace.

[kimball13]

ouch,,,,,,,,,,funny,,,,,,ya know i know the devil reminds you of the past because he has no future,,,,,,

But then you may not know what Ace means to me,,,,,,,but then the devil may know that or one that speaks to a lessor demon,,,,,,,unless you a person long past,,,,,,,and no its not someithing bad i did,,,,,,,oh youreader into things.


or maybe your one of those 1,860. na couldnt be, never would that have almost caused you to leave the forum,,,,,,,,,but i may just be reading into it to much,,,,,,not that i knowmy own things and such,,,,,,,,so all i can say is may God shower you with all off the fruits of your labor as God would pay you, whatever that may be,,,,i cant wait for the next one liner to come up,,,,,,.

[miracles]

ouch,,,,,,,,,,funny,,,,,,ya know i know the devil reminds you of the past because he has no future,,,,,,

But then you may not know what Ace means to me,,,,,,,but then the devil may know that or one that speaks to a lessor demon,,,,,,,unless you a person long past,,,,,,,and no its not someithing bad i did,,,,,,,oh youreader into things.


or maybe your one of those 1,860. na couldnt be, never would that have almost caused you to leave the forum,,,,,,,,,but i may just be reading into it to much,,,,,,not that i knowmy own things and such,,,,,,,,so all i can say is may God shower you with all off the fruits of your labor as God would pay you, whatever that may be,,,,i cant wait for the next one liner to come up,,,,,,.

May God bless you with all the blessings He has to bestow on you. Remember that the word of God is a lamp unto our feet - not a supertrooper flood light.

What does that mean? It means we only need enough light to move one step at a time, we dont need to see the whole football field or to know the whole journey, or what lies ahead. The Lord lives in eternity, and eterniy is right now, may you be blessed moment to moment.

Tomorrow is my last day on the forum.

To me Ace means great, thats all. Whats 1860?

[phildee3]

Yes.

If you want to poison a salmon eater, you'll put the poison in the salmon.

Obviously the "devil's" main targets are holy scriptures and whatever else contains the light - distorts it and makes it his/her tool to decive those who are searching for the true light.

[miracles]

Yes.

If you want to poison a salmon eater, you'll put the poison in the salmon.

Obviously the "devil's" main targets are holy scriptures and whatever else contains the light - distorts it and makes it his/her tool to decive those who are searching for the true light.

The devil can not alter the word of God. Oh yes he knows it better than any human being, he is no doubt the most religious of all creatures, he has created all the false religions in the world. By creating new and fantastic tales, but he can not alter the real word of God, He can only cast doubt on it. Which He does do vey well.

[phildee3]

The devil can not alter the word of God.



True.

But the Bible is written in the words of men.

It contains the "word of God."

"The devil" cannot obliterate it but "he" can certainly obscure it by manipulating the words of men

[miracles]

True.

But the Bible is written in the words of men.

It contains the "word of God."

"The devil" cannot obliterate it but "he" can certainly obscure it by manipulating the words of men

Not true the bible is the words of God recorded by men, and satan can't change one jot or title of it. Thats why it's written down, so that truth can be descerned from lies. All 66 books.

Other religions and prophets and books have been tact on and taken out etc, but the bible has remained intact and untarnished inspite of the disinformation terrorists throughout the history of mankind. And thats as great a miracle as creation itself. And the very reason it can bever be argued against, its irrefuteable. And im done wasting my breath arguing with infant analysts and soothsayer ufo chasers.

[phildee3]

Not true the bible is the words of God



Bullcrap!!
It uses the same words as secular texts, and even satanic texts.

[phildee3]

...satan can't change one jot or title of it.



It's mostly been changed by the Vatican.
I thought you were of the opinion that the Vatican is controlled by satan. :confused:

[miracles]

Bullcrap!!
It uses the same words as secular texts, and even satanic texts.

The exact configuration of the words in greek and hebrew as recorded in the bible by the scribes God dictated it to, have a numeric configuration running through it that irrefutabely proves that it has been designed IE every word is God breathed, has Gods signature all over it.

The vatican have done thier best to destroy it, It is however still preserved and in tact.

Once again I have asked, ney demanded proof that the vatican have produced the bible and all that is thrown up is the council of nicea blabbering.

[agneau]

You have to get a new argument Miracles, old fruit, that one is broken....

The exact configuration of the words in greek and hebrew as recorded in the bible by the scribes God dictated it to, have a numeric configuration running through it that irrefutabely proves that it has been designed IE every word is God breathed, has Gods signature all over it.


Miracles in Edgar Allan Poe
The following example is an expansion of one first presented on USENET by Charles Culver of Computers for Christ.

For this example, we will use numerical values for English letters assigned using the same pattern as used for Arabic, Greek and Hebrew.

A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 F=6 G=7 H=8 I=9
J=10 K=20 L=30 M=40 N=50 O=60 P=70 Q=80 R=90
S=100 T=200 U=300 V=400 W=500 X=600 Y=700 Z=800

We will analyse the famous first line of Poe's classic poem "The Raven":

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary

* There are 7x7 letters.
* The first and last words sum to 202x7, of which the first letters contribute 80x7.
* The consonants in words starting with a consonant sum to 537x7.
* The consonants in words ending with a consonant sum to 485x7, of which 192x7 comes from the odd length words and 293x7 from the even length words.
* The consonants in words 2,4,6,8,10 sum to 177x7.
* There are 7 words ending with consonants.
* There are 3x7 consonants in words of even length.
* Considering words 1,3,5,7,9,11:
o There are 3x7 letters.
o The even (2,4,6..) letters in each word total 138x7.
o The last letters of each word total 205x7.
o The first and last letters of each word total 51x7x7.
* Considering the verb "pondered":
o The first letter has value 10x7.
o The vowels have total value 10x7.

In his original article, Charles wrote:

There are a number of other objections to Panin's methodology
as well, which time does not permit me to go into.

It appears that Charles is just as good at writing numerical text as Poe was.

* The sentence has 3x7 words and a total value of 143x7x7.
* The first word has value 44x7.
* Words ending in vowels have value 230x7.
* Words ending in consonants have value 708x7.
* The three pronouns total 40x7.
* The words which start with a vowel and end with a consonant total 3x7x7x7.
* Considering just words 2,4,6,8,...,20:
o There are 6x7 letters.
o The 3x7 letters in odd position in the sentence total 53x7x7.
o The 3x7 letters in odd position in a word total 54x7x7.
o The first letters total 163x7.
o The consonants total 408x7.

[phildee3]

The exact configuration of the words in greek and hebrew as recorded in the bible by the scribes God dictated it to...



Ah, not the words (as you said) but their "exact configuration"
and as originally written down, to boot (which is now lost)!

[miracles]

Ah, not the words (as you said) but their "exact configuration"
and as originally written down, to boot (which is now lost)!

Ah. No, on the contrary, they are preserved. I have the complete preserved words of God, all 66 books. Your beliveing a lie of satan. Whilts at the same time waiting for a ufo to save you. You don't know what you belive phildee, thats been obvious since I have been here.

[miracles]

You have to get a new argument Miracles, old fruit, that one is broken....




Miracles in Edgar Allan Poe
The following example is an expansion of one first presented on USENET by Charles Culver of Computers for Christ.

For this example, we will use numerical values for English letters assigned using the same pattern as used for Arabic, Greek and Hebrew.

A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 F=6 G=7 H=8 I=9
J=10 K=20 L=30 M=40 N=50 O=60 P=70 Q=80 R=90
S=100 T=200 U=300 V=400 W=500 X=600 Y=700 Z=800

We will analyse the famous first line of Poe's classic poem "The Raven":

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary

* There are 7x7 letters.
* The first and last words sum to 202x7, of which the first letters contribute 80x7.
* The consonants in words starting with a consonant sum to 537x7.
* The consonants in words ending with a consonant sum to 485x7, of which 192x7 comes from the odd length words and 293x7 from the even length words.
* The consonants in words 2,4,6,8,10 sum to 177x7.
* There are 7 words ending with consonants.
* There are 3x7 consonants in words of even length.
* Considering words 1,3,5,7,9,11:
o There are 3x7 letters.
o The even (2,4,6..) letters in each word total 138x7.
o The last letters of each word total 205x7.
o The first and last letters of each word total 51x7x7.
* Considering the verb "pondered":
o The first letter has value 10x7.
o The vowels have total value 10x7.

In his original article, Charles wrote:

There are a number of other objections to Panin's methodology
as well, which time does not permit me to go into.

It appears that Charles is just as good at writing numerical text as Poe was.

* The sentence has 3x7 words and a total value of 143x7x7.
* The first word has value 44x7.
* Words ending in vowels have value 230x7.
* Words ending in consonants have value 708x7.
* The three pronouns total 40x7.
* The words which start with a vowel and end with a consonant total 3x7x7x7.
* Considering just words 2,4,6,8,...,20:
o There are 6x7 letters.
o The 3x7 letters in odd position in the sentence total 53x7x7.
o The 3x7 letters in odd position in a word total 54x7x7.
o The first letters total 163x7.
o The consonants total 408x7.

Po attempted this on purpose as have some other poets and authors. It doesnt compare or refute that the whole bible is a numeric phenomena unequalled. It aint broken, and it never will be its the word of God. You guys need to get some real evidence and stop lieing to your back teeth and believing lies.

[agneau]

Po attempted this on purpose as have some other poets and authors.

:DOh dear god, you beleive that, don't you? Dear oh dear...:D better than the two Ronnies all on your own, you are..you mustn't leave.

Here's another good one for you: The sum of the ASCII codes for ‘HOLY BIBLE’ is 666.

God was a silver surfer.....

[holylucifer]

http://h.imagehost.org/0050/untitled_16.jpg

http://h.imagehost.org/0062/untitled_2.jpg

http://h.imagehost.org/0693/untitled.jpg

thewayhomeorfacethefire.info

[phildee3]

Ah. No, on the contrary, they are preserved. I have the complete preserved words of God, all 66 books.



wow!
They're priceless, man!
Hope you have them in humidity controlled cases.
Does the Vatican know you've got them?
How come you're just letting this info out now???

Can you post a photo?

[kimball13]

Not true the bible is the words of God recorded by men, and satan can't change one jot or title of it. Thats why it's written down, so that truth can be descerned from lies. All 66 books.

Other religions and prophets and books have been tact on and taken out etc, but the bible has remained intact and untarnished inspite of the disinformation terrorists throughout the history of mankind. And thats as great a miracle as creation itself. And the very reason it can bever be argued against, its irrefuteable. And im done wasting my breath arguing with infant analysts and soothsayer ufo chasers.


if that were true the God would not have mentioned the level of sin it is to change on word.

an the devil does not know the word of God, he only has it memorized chapter and verse.........oh im not even thinking of you or you crap just the false crazy posts that conflict themselvse,,,,,,,,go back and read.


oh if you did not know the 1860 you would have know what i meant,,,,,,,oh well.

and as far as supertrooper flood light,,,,,well it does say God will pour the gifts of the Holy spirit upon the earth,,,,,,,,,,,right so why not flood light,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Oh ya someone in the dark a birthday cake candle would blind you from the light and how long youve been in the dark.

are you leaving today because you cant such any more energy that you can fead of of by pissing people of,,,,,,,,,,,oh pleas dont stop me from leaving,,,,,,,ya the way someone does it trying reset the hook.

or is it something else and you nead to leave gracefully and without suspicion,,,,,,,i may be paranoid but its usualy at leas in the ball park on the feild, but you are trying to place football in a porta-potty;).

so,,,,,,,,,God warns us to not change one word,,,,,,,does that mean in the bible or the definitions of words in genral,,,,,,,,,,,and if it was impossible to do then God would have not warned us of commiting that sin.


realy miricles you seem a bit programed or just plane lying about stuff out of some sick nead to see how many ways you can upset someone.

but oh ya to you im somekinda supertrooper dude or something,,,,,,,


So miricles now that youve gatherd some more one liners and pearls of wisdom go run along and dazzle the ittelcualy infirm,,,,,,,ya if ya have one that little clich forming into a cult that you aspire to lead someday. and im seriose dude you are going down a very dark path,,,,,,,,,ive seen it many times.

oh and i can tell in the manner of the ace and 1,860 you know a bit more of what is going on in this banter. oh ya 1,860 is how many it took to keep me contained in a jail with no bars, its how many badmojo workers ive had to defend myself against for a great number of years,

like i said Read Isaiah 53 and maybe then you should figure out what kinda prayer ya nead and think about this will it be heard.

i should stop because im about to go realy venomous and rip into an entire sub-set hidden within most groups, and sometimes others are convicted because of being similar,,,,,,,then the feal realy bad and such because they start to believe they are as messed up such as you are,,,,,,,,,,,,then is a bitch to convince them well ya you might have done a similar asct long ago or out of mistake etc, or it just llooks the same but its way differnt,,,,,,,,especialy to knowingly sin,,,,,,,,maybe one day a test will be created to test for potential cult types,,,,,,,,,,,,,and im seriose dude you realy display the same traits,,,,,,,,,,includeing what might be a form of pathological lying but i dont think so because patholyrs dont know they are lying most of the time,,,,,,,,,doesnt make it right because its hard to test a lyer about what they know and dont knnnnnw,,,,,,,,,,,

But i think your just a person that likes to mess with people while looking like a victim or just messed up,,,,,,,,,,,it realy should be a crime to do things like that,,,,,,oh ya in Gods law it is,,,,,,,,,,,,,

check out proverbs 2.
and pay attention to 2-21/22 and then look in the mirror then read 2-22 and relize how i see you, but hay its not my call, i listend to you in your darkness and made sure you knew what happens when the light is turned on,,,,,basily you will be a bit blind and in plane sight, but if youve misrepresented yourself to harm others out of selfish sinful nature it will be seen by all,,,,,,,,,,no fingures pointing neaded,,,,,,and by the way the ones with fingures pointing at them while the light is off wiil be found clean and richeouse when all is seen and well at that point its like when a mob finds out theyve been chasing the wrong person and someone in the group caused it,,,,,,,,ya like in the comedys and everyone changes dirrection and are enraged.

But hay you seem stuck in your ways,,,,,,,and hopeless,,,,,,,,im only responding for the benifit of others and myself,,,,,and instead of trying to get throught to people like you because all ive seen over and over again is how someone like you hangs out learns a bit and such while acting like he isnt while the whole time your just getting new catch phrases and such,,,,,,,because after all you cannot creat, you obviosely do not have the gift of hte holy spirit and must steal the fruits of the spirit from others,,,,,,,,,,then run off as a victim to go and try to get a possy together to worship yourselves,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

[kimball13]

one thing i do not enjoy and try to not get into a situation that i may have to prove a very important point as well as learn myself. those things are at someone elses expense or being an opurtunist.

So this little drama between miricles and i has been a HOOT,,,,,,and i hope this has sparked a bit of the old noodle for some it has me,,,,,,as well as it is a good topic to discuss, this is what church was ment to be, discussing it not just telling others what it means but asking them,,,,,,,,but then it is time i start to dust my shoes of as it says,,,,,,and accept that the time has come that it states in the bible,,,,,,there will come a time that God says to not pray for or help those that have chosen to follow idols and false Gods(whatever form it takes),,,,,,,but first what is an idol,,,,,,,,here is an example and a good one becuase the titles say it all as wll as the people involved and how they treat people.

American Idol VS So you think you can Dance,,,,,,,,,,,like i said if i could show you what i see you would, but that is my desire not God's, and i know the differnce,,,,,,

so the american idol(false God) and an angel of God just stateing it the way it is So ya think you can dance hay,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and in the brown skid marked gold encrusted money coated corner diablow (defence intelegence agency blow job) and in the other fighting for the flock you know him and love him from the Green mile John Coffey,,,,,,,,,but this time there will be no punishment for the crime of another, not again will a true servant of God pay the price for the guilty,,,,,,,no longer will the enemy recieve reward for the evil they do to others.

so i do hope its been an eye opener,,,,,,,,,and miricles i do hope you the best,,,,,,,,after all ive seen the same type of stuff from someone that got there meds messed up, or should be on some, or shouldnt be taking meds because that is what is causing it,,,,,,,i dont know im not in your shoes, but the way the smell in your words i dont even want to be on the same block as them,,,,,,maybe a new pair is in order,,,,,,,,so im happy in my shoes thank you.

Coffey when bussines neads to be done;)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/Dunkenkingpin.png/250px-Dunkenkingpin.png (http://www.davidicke.com/wiki/File:Dunkenkingpin.png)
just my take on God code in entertainment and how it reflects society in the new reality show fad,,,,,,,,,,,,and if an angel or God where to watch those shows im sure the favorites would be So you think you can dance, tthat fasion one, adn Hells Kitchen. and shows like survivor and american idol, or hay how bought the slutts getting 30 people to choose from on national tv donking them all untill the choose,,,,,,i mean common Brett michaels and flava flave,,,,,,or tila tecilia.

[kimball13]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Indestructible.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Indestructible.jpg)


this is an nice depiction of what a pissed of angel looks on his way to take care of bussines.

[saicosis]

Yes the bible has been irrefutably proven to be the word of God

You people are looking for loop holes so that you can hold onto your sinfulness and wickedness because you love darkness and hate the light. How do I know that? Because the irrefutable word of God has spoken and He tells me so. Repent ye evil doers for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


You keep saying it has been proven, but where? I have seen no proof at all, let alone irrefutable proof.

We (non-Christians) are looking for loop holes? No. We just don't need fairy tales to make us feel better. Hold on to sins and wickedness? I don't subscribe, so those don't apply to me. Only Christian's are sinners.

You know what your little rant reminds me of... and maybe because of that last sentence up there... but it does remind me of the movie Kingdom of Heaven where the bad guy is rallying to get them to get the King to go to war (for bad reasons) and the priest in the background yelling "GOD WILLS IT!"

Fanatical fundamentalist. I just hope you can resist on the day your God starts whispering to you that your neighbor has a demon in them and you should chop them up.

[miracles]

You keep saying it has been proven, but where? I have seen no proof at all, let alone irrefutable proof.

We (non-Christians) are looking for loop holes? No. We just don't need fairy tales to make us feel better. Hold on to sins and wickedness? I don't subscribe, so those don't apply to me. Only Christian's are sinners.

You know what your little rant reminds me of... and maybe because of that last sentence up there... but it does remind me of the movie Kingdom of Heaven where the bad guy is rallying to get them to get the King to go to war (for bad reasons) and the priest in the background yelling "GOD WILLS IT!"

Fanatical fundamentalist. I just hope you can resist on the day your God starts whispering to you that your neighbor has a demon in them and you should chop them up.
Go and read all of my threads then

[miracles]

if that were true the God would not have mentioned the level of sin it is to change on word.

an the devil does not know the word of God, he only has it memorized chapter and verse.........oh im not even thinking of you or you crap just the false crazy posts that conflict themselvse,,,,,,,,go back and read.


oh if you did not know the 1860 you would have know what i meant,,,,,,,oh well.

and as far as supertrooper flood light,,,,,well it does say God will pour the gifts of the Holy spirit upon the earth,,,,,,,,,,,right so why not flood light,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Oh ya someone in the dark a birthday cake candle would blind you from the light and how long youve been in the dark.

are you leaving today because you cant such any more energy that you can fead of of by pissing people of,,,,,,,,,,,oh pleas dont stop me from leaving,,,,,,,ya the way someone does it trying reset the hook.

or is it something else and you nead to leave gracefully and without suspicion,,,,,,,i may be paranoid but its usualy at leas in the ball park on the feild, but you are trying to place football in a porta-potty;).

so,,,,,,,,,God warns us to not change one word,,,,,,,does that mean in the bible or the definitions of words in genral,,,,,,,,,,,and if it was impossible to do then God would have not warned us of commiting that sin.


realy miricles you seem a bit programed or just plane lying about stuff out of some sick nead to see how many ways you can upset someone.

but oh ya to you im somekinda supertrooper dude or something,,,,,,,


So miricles now that youve gatherd some more one liners and pearls of wisdom go run along and dazzle the ittelcualy infirm,,,,,,,ya if ya have one that little clich forming into a cult that you aspire to lead someday. and im seriose dude you are going down a very dark path,,,,,,,,,ive seen it many times.

oh and i can tell in the manner of the ace and 1,860 you know a bit more of what is going on in this banter. oh ya 1,860 is how many it took to keep me contained in a jail with no bars, its how many badmojo workers ive had to defend myself against for a great number of years,

like i said Read Isaiah 53 and maybe then you should figure out what kinda prayer ya nead and think about this will it be heard.

i should stop because im about to go realy venomous and rip into an entire sub-set hidden within most groups, and sometimes others are convicted because of being similar,,,,,,,then the feal realy bad and such because they start to believe they are as messed up such as you are,,,,,,,,,,,,then is a bitch to convince them well ya you might have done a similar asct long ago or out of mistake etc, or it just llooks the same but its way differnt,,,,,,,,especialy to knowingly sin,,,,,,,,maybe one day a test will be created to test for potential cult types,,,,,,,,,,,,,and im seriose dude you realy display the same traits,,,,,,,,,,includeing what might be a form of pathological lying but i dont think so because patholyrs dont know they are lying most of the time,,,,,,,,,doesnt make it right because its hard to test a lyer about what they know and dont knnnnnw,,,,,,,,,,,

But i think your just a person that likes to mess with people while looking like a victim or just messed up,,,,,,,,,,,it realy should be a crime to do things like that,,,,,,oh ya in Gods law it is,,,,,,,,,,,,,

check out proverbs 2.
and pay attention to 2-21/22 and then look in the mirror then read 2-22 and relize how i see you, but hay its not my call, i listend to you in your darkness and made sure you knew what happens when the light is turned on,,,,,basily you will be a bit blind and in plane sight, but if youve misrepresented yourself to harm others out of selfish sinful nature it will be seen by all,,,,,,,,,,no fingures pointing neaded,,,,,,and by the way the ones with fingures pointing at them while the light is off wiil be found clean and richeouse when all is seen and well at that point its like when a mob finds out theyve been chasing the wrong person and someone in the group caused it,,,,,,,,ya like in the comedys and everyone changes dirrection and are enraged.

But hay you seem stuck in your ways,,,,,,,and hopeless,,,,,,,,im only responding for the benifit of others and myself,,,,,and instead of trying to get throught to people like you because all ive seen over and over again is how someone like you hangs out learns a bit and such while acting like he isnt while the whole time your just getting new catch phrases and such,,,,,,,because after all you cannot creat, you obviosely do not have the gift of hte holy spirit and must steal the fruits of the spirit from others,,,,,,,,,,then run off as a victim to go and try to get a possy together to worship yourselves,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

Dude, I think you' ve been looking directly into the sun for too long. Your pointing fingers, and judging me from your high horse, are you on drugs, seriously are you??? This is starting to wear a bit thin pal. Im gonna let rip soon if you dont take a hike. Look in the mirror and you will see me with a both middle fingers sticking up at you, both of them OKAY? Jogg on back the the lunatic threads.

[miracles]

wow!
They're priceless, man!
Hope you have them in humidity controlled cases.
Does the Vatican know you've got them?
How come you're just letting this info out now???

Can you post a photo?
Actually I've got more than one copy, you do know the printing press was invented around about 600 years ago dont you?????

[phildee3]

Actually I've got more than one copy,



Oh, copies???

Exact copies??

God's actual hand; - perfectly copied with no changes or variations?



you do know the printing press was invented around about 600 years ago dont you?????



I do, -
making copies of translations of translations of copies of copies of translations, etc. for more than 1400 years...

...during which time the "exact configuation" of the words was perfectly preserved!

Uhm..... okaay!

[miracles]

Oh, copies???

Exact copies??

God's actual hand; - perfectly copied with no changes or variations?



I do, -
making copies of translations of translations of copies of copies of translations, etc. for more than 1400 years...

...during which time the "exact configuation" of the words was perfectly preserved!

Uhm..... okaay!

Umm ever heard of mathmatics, ever heard of the scripture I will preserve my Word. And when that which is perfect has Come all prophesy will cease tounges will cease etc etc. We are talking about God here, and the perfect word of God you know that bloke who holds the earth up on nothing, yeah Him. Same God, he wrote the bible and perseved it for all eternity. It's easy peasy chinesy for God to do stuff like that.

Ever heard of Panin? The Greek and Hebrew texts have been preserved pal. Get used to it. Your holding onto lies. No wonder your waiting for a UFO

[tannah]

Umm ever heard of mathmatics, ever heard of the scripture I will preserve my Word. And when that which is perfect has Come all prophesy will cease tounges will cease etc etc.

Except that he sent Muhammed hundreds of years later.:)


Ever heard of Panin? The Greek and Hebrew texts have been preserved pal. Get used to it. Your holding onto lies. No wonder your waiting for a UFO

Ever heard of the Quran? Same claims. Why would God do that? Why would God make every culture believe their myths are correct? Sounds like he justs wants loads of wars.

[stfd]

Except that he sent Muhammed hundreds of years later.:)



Ever heard of the Quran? Same claims. Why would God do that? Why would God make every culture believe their myths are correct? Sounds like he justs wants loads of wars.

Ever heard of individuals that purpousely try and try and try to cause some to go against others?
Ever heard of disention?

Why do you do this?

Why do you atempt to 'unburry the dead' ?

Why do HAVE TO keep this up?

Why?

[tannah]

Ever heard of individuals that purpousely try and try and try to cause some to go against others?
Ever heard of disention?

Why do you do this?

Why do you atempt to 'unburry the dead' ?

Why do HAVE TO keep this up?

Why?

Because you trying to hide it is not the answer. Because sitting on top of your toadstool looking at everyone else as satan worshippers means you complimenting Adbasque earlier is totally hipocritical.

Why do you bury your head in the sand? Why do you come out with such weak arguments, when people suggest that God is supposedly a killer of babies of all things. What the fck is up with you guys???? You actually want to believe that those asking these kinds of questions are wrong for doing so? BS.:)

What do you mean about unburying the dead? You mean the five year old that got blown up today by a bomb? Or how about the catholic guy that was shot the other week in Ireland? You mean him?

I'm not against you having your right to believe whatever you want. I'm doing the same. Complain about me if you don't like me exercising my right.

[kimball13]

Dude, I think you' ve been looking directly into the sun for too long. Your pointing fingers, and judging me from your high horse, are you on drugs, seriously are you??? This is starting to wear a bit thin pal. Im gonna let rip soon if you dont take a hike. Look in the mirror and you will see me with a both middle fingers sticking up at you, both of them OKAY? Jogg on back the the lunatic threads.

My Bible has 81 books, and its not Catholic. and im an Indigo child.but im sure miricles doesntlike that because its real that we exist, maybe by other terms, but UCLA and such have done studdys and have realized 90% of the children are being born indigo now,,,,,,,a jump in evolution,,,,,,,,,,,,and unfortuanatly that is part of what people like miricles dont want to happen and want to enslave us and use us as what ever includeing sex slaves and reality shows,,,,,,,,,you would sicken me,,,,,......so im a lunatic,,,,what has happedn is not possible,,,,,or havent you read the bible and what it says about all of this,,,,,,,,or what about actualy doing some honest research,,,,,,,,na you must be one,,,,,,,,,,,i love it you guys have a realy hard time learning new tricks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but again im going to say this is the last post i dirrect in this manner to miricles, but im positive hes going to do what he allways does and bug me and others, as well as slander, threaten and such without and just caouse,,,,,,,,,,,,ha mircles did ya know bulling is now illegal.;)funny i was the kid in school that put bullies in there place, i was always thesmart one as well as thetough strong one that protectedhis buddies as well as anyone in nead,,,,,,,,so you know squate about me even though a good portion of my life is posted,,,,,,pat of the reason is most cannot believe anyone could go throuhg anyof that or even come out of it sane and compationate and with a spine left,,,,,,,,,,that and then there are those like you that have tried to misrepresent yourself as something similar as i or as far as chareter goes,,,,,,,,,so when you see me you relize how much you dont like yourself,,,,,you say look in the mirror ok ow i know why your pissed, your not me.
im just going to start by saying you did not even know the bible had 66 books until i metioned it several times now you make it a point ot metions 66 books.

Miricles this may offend you but after a threat like that i realy cant help it,,,and im not your pal,,,,,,,you began this by slighting me, youve made what could be considerd off color,,,,,,,now im waiting to be called a savage,,,,,,heck i even tried to help ya out, but what did you do,,,,,,,i sould have let them eat you alive,,,,but i didnt agree withthe tactics because i noticed thta they were stooping to your level and instead of them going down i thought just maybe mircles can raise himself up to theres,,,,,,,,,,,,,but now instead you have repeatadly insulted me, called me lunatic, judged things about me of very presonal nature as well as claiming to know me and my experiences,,,,,,,,,you are beyond arrogant and realy just an idiot,,,,,,,,bordering on demonic if i can use your language,,,,,,,,,,,im very sure if you saw you you would be allot more merciless than i,,,,,,,,,, i realy dont know what to say but wow how many are there like you,,,,,,no wonder why allot of people dont like christianity,,,,,,,and i can give a shitless even if christianity survives,,,,,,,its the teachings and God's word being slanderd and tarnished with people like you claiming to live by these ways yet you cannot even describe anything in the good book you have no interpeting skills,,,,you must be areal peice of work because im not eve angry at you,,,,,,which usualy means one thing(no heart),,,,,,,,,i only realy get angry at someone because of what there doing to there own heart and soul but those that either dont have them or very little i dont waste to much time being upset because i realy would rather just find a permanant solution for the ones without souls, but thats not my job to do that is God
s job,,,,,,,,,,i usualy say im willing to be wrong here,,,,,,,but na,,,,,,,realy why should i be willing anymore, i usualy am not wrong so maybe instead i should start to be willing to not worry to much about the fealings of those that may not even love Christ or God and Mother Earth(and by the way mother earht is the Holy spirit)and did you know that wisdom is a woman to:eek:it in there if you read,,,,,,,,,,i dont know do you read or do you use dragon speak,,,,,,,i think its in proverbs,,,,,,,,,,and i hope you enjoy my judging you during this particular post,,,,,,but it is not realy judgement it is dicernment a bit differnt,,,,,,,,,,,,but what you do is youve already judged others then after youve fabricated the evidence you then condem them.



the bible i read, is vetted by,
The baptist union of great britain and ireland
The church of england
the churchof scotland
The bongregational church in england a wales
The council of churches ofr wales
the irish council of churches
the london yearly meeting of the society of friends
The Methodists church of great britain
the prebyterian churchof england
the british and foreign bible society of schotland

oxford university press
cambridge university press

my bible has 81 books, so is it not the word of God,,,,,,or is mine more indepth,,,,,,,,or should i listen to you and you lunacy instead of the churches i listed above,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the diffence between my lunacy and yours is mine makes sense and only apears as lunacy becaus of your lack of knowledg adn experience yet i can back mine up and prove it fromseveral sources,,,,,,,,not just one profesor of math or my own bs,,,,,,,,funny a mathmaticial claiming to know how to read the bible,,,,,,,,anywho your an idiot and very rude and well wrong,,,,,and i may be overstepping my bounds but hay im tired of being polite to people that just want to control others and because of your lack of faith you choose to use the bible as a tool to be in control,,,,,,ya what are you worried about it means nothing to you.
have yo eveer came to an understanding or interpet anything in the good book on your own or can you do that,,,,,,,,,,or is it just a formula to get what you want...........

so what about the book of Enoch that describes certain things and what went down.


Wow now your judging my spiritual path of sundanceing and such,,,,,,,,,dude your a very screwed up individual that must be used to people bowing down to you,,,,,,,you remind me of a drug dealer,,,,,,got any,,,,,,........

Talk about slander and such,,,,,your treading on thin water;)

Every singe word you utter seems to be desinged for conflict,domanance and coersion,,,,,whats wrong is you conversational hypnotism not working,,,,what about those trigger words,,,,,,,,,are you afraid someone knows a secret or something,,,,after all every post of yours is defensive and of in left feild,,,,,,,the only dirrect post or such you ever give is an insult or judgement,,,,,,,but if someone treats you as if you a master and we are puppys waiting for a morsal of crap.


well this was going to be long but i think this should to go xxxx yourself.

and it does look to be a threat,,,,,heck miricles your probley a hacker, convrsational hypnotist and such,,,,,,,,,oh and loonatic threads hay.

maybe ya should right some poetry,,,,,,,better yet maybe read wht you wrote,,,,,,,,,you are a major hypocrit,,,,,,,,as well as somekinda tweeker obviosly,,,,,,,,or maybe just impedent i dont know but you seem t othink you have some entitlemenr or such,,,,,man would i like to actualy see what kinda person you are,,oh wait i see your teachers everyday,,,,,,,,.:eek:and i scare those evil demonic ahols,,,,,,,but then you dont dispay any of wht this thread it about do you,,,,,,,,no never with all the false claims and such,,,,,,wow how many have you turned away from God,,,,,and ay i said it but hay im basing it on what youve wrote,,,,,,,,,im not juding your race, religion, sex, etc,,,,,,,,,,,but you have done that everychance youve gotten, so wht gives you the right to say such things,,,,,,,,,oh and by the way i know how to sayfk in a very diplombatic aristocratic way, but i find a simpl fu gets a much bette responce and is honest.:rolleyes:


Ya and your avatar, explanes allot your a Reptilian Jesus coutnerfeit idiot,,,,,,,threaten me with a good time will ya,,,,,,,,so is tha a threat as in physical, mental, emotional,,,,,,i do believe that is a criminal act in the way youve put it and aproached it.........sp should i call the police or expect to be hounded and such on the forum,,,,,,,,,im mean wow what a posser,,,,,,,,but after all you chose this from the start,,,,,,especialy with snide comments on other threads of which i did not responde because you were commenting froma im suppiror way,,,,,,,,,,but now since ive ran circles around you nt even trying,,,,,,i wonder if i nead a premtive strike,,na i dont nead to be as XXX as you or even as spoiled,,,,,i will just let you continue your good work of screwin g ourself,,,,,,but if you bother me i may just help,,,hell i know no matter what i write you probley will try to make me feal less than and messed up so you can feal good about yourself,,,,,,,so what about that poem of love,,,,,,,and i fyou want to let it rip just be prepared for someoen to defend themselves,,,,,,,but im over just that, im to the point that if you attack me in any way im going to make sure ya learn to at least consider why your attacking and the reprecusions of such an act, that an i might enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself,,,,,,,,


so there ya go you judged me as well as this man, my great grandfather, so yes if stared at the sun as well as this man to. LUnatic well maybe that is the differnce, i learned to go on vision quests and be quiet and listen, to watch and understand signs and such,,,,,,,,,,,,,and not judge things as right and wrong but as good and bad,,,,,,,,,,,simple stuff. So if you rip into me understand this you probley will only make a fool of yourself, you already have, and for you to agree and learn right now wouldn do you anygood becaus eyou wont,tht is part of your game false humility,,,,,,,,,,,,so dont even bother the bridge is burnt,,,,,,,,so what is that churches name that your family owns,,,,,,,,thats kinda what you said,,,,,,,,should i start judging your family church, is it a secret society church,,,,,,,is it catholic, mormon, or better yet a COG church(children of God) or heavens gate,,,,,,,,,,,,,,whatever it is if they are the ones the screwed you up as youve saind thye did,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,yet you stated that it was your familys church and you spent 5-10 years in the illuminate,,,,,,,,,so if its 5-10 thats astretch give or take 5 years, dam you must be 100 to use that kinda aproximationl

so is the church illuminate or something differnt,,,,,,,,,and which one is worse,,,,,,,is your family good people or cultish,,,,did they abuse you or molest you,,,,,were you beaten or locked in a closet or passed around,,,,,,,,,,,sorry to ask such pointed questions but i dont like acusations unless founded on something,,,,,,,unlike you looking for something to exagurate, take out of context, or make up,,,,,,,,,,,,,just like your stareing at the sun to long or the lunatic threads,,,,,,,,so you might want to stay were you are and not come to america if that is how you judge,,,,,,,,but actualy you act just likea bad american so you might fit in.



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[kimball13]

there ya go mircles i do hope you enjoy being lumper into a bunch of other issues i have,,,,,,,,but then you wanted me to defend myself so yu can justifie and attakc or somekinda rebutl because yourone of those that think becauseof my history or name im of a sataninc bloodline,,,,,,,,,,,but i know you tactics very well ever hear of kimballl castle in colorado,,,,,,,,it wasnt even a kimball that owned it,,,,,,,,,,,she was married to him but in the divorce for her to keep her trap shut about him founding helping found the NSA he and USA bought her that castle,,,,,,,,,go research it ahole and relize this i dont apreciate it nor do some others what has happend especialy when done by people that are remarkbley similar to your way of thinking,,,,,,,because of your type ive lost allot,,,,,,,all because of a name and there lack of research there condemnations without any thing to condem other than a witch hunt,,,,,,,,,,oh ya it was more of a diversionary thing,,,,,,,,,after all oneo fem is a Habsburg as well as he was stationed ingermany and othe things,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so have you eve had a sword swung at your head because of someones conspiracy theory,,,,,,,,,,well i have and that is why i have to be very sure before i act on anything,,,,,and it took me another 7+ years before i realy began opening up about some things so go screw yourself,,,,,,,,,,i done putting up with your type,,thatst all,,.,


When harmony enter chaos, Harmony is percieved as chaos.
ignorance is the lack of knoweldge,,,,,stupidity is the intentional missuse of knowledge,,,,,,,,,,,,now i know your ingnorant miricles but im almost sure youre stupid,,,,,,,,,,,,,like i said im done being polite while the likes of you continue to name call and slyly shame and make funn of others then you write peotry claiming to love people from all religions,and compasionate,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh im just gettingstarted you are a hypocrite and when a real one is around you play a transference game,,,,,,,,,,,you made a mistake calling the fire black,,,,,,,your not even a kettel or pot,,,,,,,,,,your the ashes taken out of the fireplace and put into the outhouse;):rolleyes::confused:

[phildee3]

> ever heard of the scripture I will preserve my Word.



Yes,
and he does,

but thats not what you are talking about,
you said "the exact configuration of words" (plural).

Very different.



> No wonder your waiting for a UFO



I'm not, and I've never said that I am.
I'm not even waiting for the second coming of Christ because he's here.
The only thing I've been waiting for is for people like you to wake up to the fact!

[marpat]

No the bible isn't the devils tool, people are.

Yes the bible has been irrefutably proven to be the word of God, so stop posing idiotic questions that where dealt with well over 100 years ago. This is the mark of satan - "did God really say that....? Shut up!! Satan get behind me!!

Mincepaste.

You people are looking for loop holes so that you can hold onto your sinfulness and wickedness because you love darkness and hate the light. How do I know that? Because the irrefutable word of God has spoken and He tells me so. Repent ye evil doers for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Stop blaspheming and purgering the word of almighty God. It is only satan that can cast doubt on the word of God, but He can not change it or alter it. (people do yes) But the word of God has been perserved. Mark you.

Can you give factual evidence that the bible is the word of god and can be trusted 100%. If this is so then why has it been altered over 40 times? not only that but there is also the issue of interpretation, such as the difference beween the catholic and eastern orthodox churches. Who holds the right keys? not every christian sect can be completely correct can they so why dont you tell us who the most correct ones are. Why is there a need for four gospels that tell widely varying accounts? if this was the word of god then would one not be enough? what about the gospels that were not included in the bible because men didnt want them there?

[kimball13]

interesting phildee3,,,,,,,,,The preservation of a single Word,,,,,,as int the one in the begining with God,,,,,,,,i wonder if that word is the same one known only to God that is a mark on a thigh of the one called faithfull and true,,,,,the mark is a name known only to God, oh its the righthigh.
and its not christ,,,,,,,,,,if it was christ then it probley would have read and in the begining there was the christ:rolleyes:,,,,,,,very simple if Jesus is the only begotten son of God then he was not present in the begining,,,,,,oh ya then there is the whole christ michael thing,,,,,,,,,,some whant him to be michael,,,,they figured out Christ is not the one onthe white horse nor is the angel michael:confused: damit miricles realy got me going,,,,,,,,i just wan to flood this with a bunch of biblicl reality,,,,,,,,,,i mean common there is an over abundance of missinterpettion of the bible,,,,,but htey want to blame the translation or better ye do what mirilce did and just go math on it allllllllllllllllllllllllli realy want someone to tell me how is a number going to advise me, or get me in heaven, oh i get it now they want to set up a take a number and wait to get inheaven.

oh i know why he all of a sudden went nutty especialy when i posted some verses that talk about exatly what he is doing and calls it a sin,,,,,miricls is so much in denile he thinks if he fools us he in good with God, kinda says what kinda god he follows(lill g:eek:),,,,,,,,

the real code is unbreakable by any human as well as unchangable,,,,,,,,,,,the message still remains in all writtings and teachings no matter how covertly some change things to suit there own lustfull diisires,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,teh new testametn is realy screwed up,,,,,,,,,,,Paul i cant stand and think his books and writtings should be removed,,,,,,,,,Paul was a very sick messed up hog the spottlight and bellittle women even of equal status and Godly mission,,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya miricles type has been screwing witha good book in my opinion.

Well i do hope miricles learns something from all of this time and writting im spending on it,,,,,,,,,,,,and if not and you(miricles) choose to just use my info away from the forum to sound cool or missreprestnt yourself as haveing a brain,,,,,,,or mayb youll just do what most do and take it out of context,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and if the word killer green bud is mentioned youll turn that into im a killer named green and a drug dealer,,,,,,,,,but your not that smart so youll just choose one either the dealer or killer,,,,,,,,,,,and im not judging i believe im dicerning what ive read so far of you comments and such as well as the private messages,,,,,,,,,,,,or is it that you have split personality,,,,,,,or you mentioned bugs in your computer maybe someone is changing your text on your end maybe your reading something the rest of us are not.

[phildee3]

interesting phildee3,,,,,,,,,The preservation of a single Word,,,,,,



"The Word" is not a word.

You have my word on that!

[archemis]

All religions, belief systems, prophecy, ancient artifacts contain both elements of Truth and non-truth.

Any and all negativity is borne by the perception and actions of the reader / believer / follower and not the content, constitution or the dynamics of the belief system, religion or artifact etc.

Negativity can come in many forms, some of the most common and obvious being bigotry, manipulation, control, imposure of mis-information and personal belief onto others, fear, lack of humility and compassion and hatred. These manifest as a direct result of not recognising or respecting the universal Law of free will and the rights of others to hold their own beliefs.

A x

[miracles]

interesting phildee3,,,,,,,,,The preservation of a single Word,,,,,,as int the one in the begining with God,,,,,,,,i wonder if that word is the same one known only to God that is a mark on a thigh of the one called faithfull and true,,,,,the mark is a name known only to God, oh its the righthigh.
and its not christ,,,,,,,,,,if it was christ then it probley would have read and in the begining there was the christ:rolleyes:,,,,,,,very simple if Jesus is the only begotten son of God then he was not present in the begining,,,,,,oh ya then there is the whole christ michael thing,,,,,,,,,,some whant him to be michael,,,,they figured out Christ is not the one onthe white horse nor is the angel michael:confused: damit miricles realy got me going,,,,,,,,i just wan to flood this with a bunch of biblicl reality,,,,,,,,,,i mean common there is an over abundance of missinterpettion of the bible,,,,,but htey want to blame the translation or better ye do what mirilce did and just go math on it allllllllllllllllllllllllli realy want someone to tell me how is a number going to advise me, or get me in heaven, oh i get it now they want to set up a take a number and wait to get inheaven.

oh i know why he all of a sudden went nutty especialy when i posted some verses that talk about exatly what he is doing and calls it a sin,,,,,miricls is so much in denile he thinks if he fools us he in good with God, kinda says what kinda god he follows(lill g:eek:),,,,,,,,

the real code is unbreakable by any human as well as unchangable,,,,,,,,,,,the message still remains in all writtings and teachings no matter how covertly some change things to suit there own lustfull diisires,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,teh new testametn is realy screwed up,,,,,,,,,,,Paul i cant stand and think his books and writtings should be removed,,,,,,,,,Paul was a very sick messed up hog the spottlight and bellittle women even of equal status and Godly mission,,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya miricles type has been screwing witha good book in my opinion.

Well i do hope miricles learns something from all of this time and writting im spending on it,,,,,,,,,,,,and if not and you(miricles) choose to just use my info away from the forum to sound cool or missreprestnt yourself as haveing a brain,,,,,,,or mayb youll just do what most do and take it out of context,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and if the word killer green bud is mentioned youll turn that into im a killer named green and a drug dealer,,,,,,,,,but your not that smart so youll just choose one either the dealer or killer,,,,,,,,,,,and im not judging i believe im dicerning what ive read so far of you comments and such as well as the private messages,,,,,,,,,,,,or is it that you have split personality,,,,,,,or you mentioned bugs in your computer maybe someone is changing your text on your end maybe your reading something the rest of us are not.

Tell someone who is going bother reading your insane ramblings

[miracles]

Can you give factual evidence that the bible is the word of god and can be trusted 100%. If this is so then why has it been altered over 40 times? not only that but there is also the issue of interpretation, such as the difference beween the catholic and eastern orthodox churches. Who holds the right keys? not every christian sect can be completely correct can they so why dont you tell us who the most correct ones are. Why is there a need for four gospels that tell widely varying accounts? if this was the word of god then would one not be enough? what about the gospels that were not included in the bible because men didnt want them there?
Read my threads you will see evidence that the bible 66 books is the word of God. Panin porved it over 100 years ago.

This is my last response to any posts. Bye bye, see you in the funny papers.

[kimball13]

"The Word" is not a word.

You have my word on that!


is the word a bird, bird is the word,:p

now there is an interesting thought was the bird a word,,,,,,,,,uh oh prophecy as well as promise could this meen a message in a song about an angel or a BirdTribe,,,,,,

[kimball13]

funny thing i just was reading a comment that was intended to be an insult and judgment on my sanity,,,,,,,,,,,



heck before i read it i went on a little bity ramble about a bird word:confused:
i was thinking i enjoy the humor in apiphanys at times,,,,,,,and how when one allows themselves to have fun in the exploration of spritual truth and humor,,,,,,,and well to be honest treating God like he's an Elder with a sense of humor that loves to laugh,,,,,,so i posted my thing about bird is a word thingy then went and read a reply of an insulting nature and low and behold an individual of ill repute had just judged me for one of the very things that shows me the mystery and glorious nature of how God works through us all,,,,,,,,,,but for some i dont know what works for them or throught them but when stuff like that happens i have to accept that it may just be possible for some peopleto be demonic or even demons of sorts for lack of better words.

But anyways,,,,,,,,maybe that is why i get more out of someone sparking a bit of joviality, and this humor leads to more of amazement in God's Word,,,,,,,,,,,which in my Truth is found everywhere that God is invited adn expresses itself through like hearts,,,,,,,,,,,,,

one must circumsize there hearts,,,,,,remove that layer of flesh,,,,,,,expose the sensitive parts,,,,,,,,,,maybe i should not go into any more o f a description because i could probley use bothorgans to describe spritual truth,,,,,,,,,but someone may have a problem with that and maybe antoher would want to start a sex cult all based on a simple metaphor,,,,,,,,then there are some that will know im talking kundalini,,,,something i dont know to much about,,,,,but i do know it has to do with the creative forces,,,,,,,but i wll stop there that anther topic.

[alchemiser]

Unravelling the Bible has been an age-long exercise. The inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible can make it difficult to comprehend. To gather understanding of it, it is important to realize that the Bible is a work in progress that contains certain energies. Sometimes the nature of these energies can be readily discerned from the literal words of the book, and other times the energies are more subtle. At times the energies are in opposition to the words.

Is the Bible really the word of God? If your answer is "yes", then is it a perfect rendition of God's word containing no errors whatsoever? In other words, is the Bible infallible?


The Bible is written in code/parables rwederfoort :rolleyes:

I agree the new NIV versions are corrupted by the imagination in the hearts of humans who want glory for themselves, the devil knows better than them or you just what the consequences are for doing such a thing. ;)

Human understanding is fallible, a man must learn to discern that which is from God & that which is from the imaginings of his own heart!

Proverbs 3:3-5
Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart
So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Until you understand that you are not higher or better than any other life form on earth rwederfoort you will never receive true understanding from our father!

We learn by playing games not by having our heads stuck up in the serious clouds, time to rediscover & heal the hurt child inside yourself imvho. :)

[marpat]

Read my threads you will see evidence that the bible 66 books is the word of God. Panin porved it over 100 years ago.

This is my last response to any posts. Bye bye, see you in the funny papers.

I see you refuse to answer my questions. This is not really suprising though. You make a big claim then as soon as you are pressed to explain your position you disengage.
I could answer my questions for you though. No, you cant prove it!!

[ic_ic]

All religions, belief systems, prophecy, ancient artifacts contain both elements of Truth and non-truth.

Any and all negativity is borne by the perception and actions of the reader / believer / follower and not the content, constitution or the dynamics of the belief system, religion or artifact etc.

Negativity can come in many forms, some of the most common and obvious being bigotry, manipulation, control, imposure of mis-information and personal belief onto others, fear, lack of humility and compassion and hatred. These manifest as a direct result of not recognising or respecting the universal Law of free will and the rights of others to hold their own beliefs.

A x

:)

If more people start thinkin' like that we'll be movin' on up instead of devolving back to the Middle Ages.

[manichaeismicspirit]

Unravelling the Bible has been an age-long exercise. The inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible can make it difficult to comprehend. To gather understanding of it, it is important to realize that the Bible is a work in progress that contains certain energies. Sometimes the nature of these energies can be readily discerned from the literal words of the book, and other times the energies are more subtle. At times the energies are in opposition to the words.

Is the Bible really the word of God? If your answer is "yes", then is it a perfect rendition of God's word containing no errors whatsoever? In other words, is the Bible infallible?

The doctrine of infallibility has been adopted at times by the Catholic Church, such as when it mandates that the pope is infallible. Anyone who has some understanding of human nature knows that there is not one human who is infallible. Yet, the doctrine stands.

There are those who declare that the Bible is the word of God. Anyone who disagrees with them can expect to be ridiculed, attacked and perhaps be referred to as an agent of Satan. The problem is that people have been so brainwashed by the ruling elite that they will parrot defence of the Bible, regardless of the amount of evidence proving that it is not God's word.

It would assist those trying to make sense of the Bible to consider that there are two voices in the Bible - the Voice of the God of the True Light, the Divine Being of Purity - and the Voice of Darkness. When Darkness speaks, It masquerades as the True Light, which has confounded many readers. When one reads the extant Bible with this understanding, many of the inconsistencies and contradictions dissipate.

Some contradictions in the Bible occur because the two voices are in opposition and are clashing. Other times Darkness has inadvertently placed contradictions into the book - or has intentionally inserted them to cause confusion and unrest.

Most religions or philosophies that seek Truth have layers and layers of "the onion" to peel away. People need to go deeper and deeper to get through all the layers of mysterious things. However, the mystery is never solved.

Esoteric teachings expound stories of creation and godhood and the explanation of the apparent existence of evil. The stories are clouded with such detailed mystery that people get lost in the explanations and put them aside as mysteries. Can the explanation of the godhead and the hierarchy of beings from the godhead be neatly organized and put into writing for people to understand? Of course not. Yet, many religions contain full accounts of the beginnings of creation, often with detailed descriptions of the hierarchy of angels and other high beings. The promoters of these religions are deluding themselves and others. Darkness thrives on this because it is a trap instigated by Darkness.

Things pertaining to the Divine cannot be fully comprehended and conveyed in earthly language on this level. Only high beings of the True Light who temporarily took on physical bodies, such as Jesus, Moses or Luria, were able to get glimpses of the True Divine Creation. Knowledge about the Divine is not something any Tom, Dick or Harry can accurately receive or faithfully transcribe. Nor can psychics, astral beings or so-called guides from the astral or other realms in the Universal Dodecahedron grasp or comprehend it, much less dispense it. Yet, the literature and channelled materials are full of pseudo-knowledge about what god is and what god is not. Darkness also thrives on this because this, too, is a part of Darkness' plan.

For eons messengers of the True Light have given the same basic message that is briefly stated as follows: If Darkness continues to hold True-Light beings spiritually hostage, there will be a forced separation of True Light from Darkness. This basic message was intolerable to Darkness, which did everything It could to suppress and distort it.

There were four fundamental things about the message that bothered Darkness. First, it showed that Darkness was a rebellious being that had turned away from the True Light. Second, it identified Darkness as the energy that was in control of the Earth. Third, it exposed Darkness as having trapped True-Light beings and holding them prisoners. Fourth, it showed that one day the True Light would rescue Its viable True-Light beings from Darkness and separate them from Matter (Evil). The separation would ultimately cause Darkness to dissolve into oblivion.

Darkness had already separated the various bands and tribes of people on Earth by giving them different languages so they could not effectively communicate with one another. Darkness also inspired the various tribes and bands to distrust one another and encouraged warfare amongst them.

Despite the difficulties that Darkness put forward, the True-Light message persisted and continued to kindle in some groups. To suppress even this small amount of Truth, Darkness used many agents who suppressed and corrupted the True-Light message. This has been done time after time after time. However, a glimmer of the message would occasionally remain and be held by a small group that would resonate to the message. Darkness would then send Its agents out to destroy these small groups because It does all It can to hide Truth. Darkness is relentless in Its persecution of Truth.

There were many small bands of non-literate people on the planet, and it was a difficult task for Darkness to deny each group access to Truth. Darkness needed a more effective method of combating and corrupting Truth on the Earth, so It had Its agents, the Anunnaki, bring down written language to the world. Some of the Anunnaki brought down hieroglyphic languages, whilst others presented the world with alphabets. That is, written languages did NOT evolve on the Earth, they were introduced by higher alien intelligence. However, there was subsequent modification and development of the languages by humans.

It was with the written word that Darkness planned Its battle against the True Light. With the benefit of the written word, Darkness could formulate a systematic method of corrupting messages bearing Truth on the Earth. Darkness then invented recorded history. Prior to that, there were only oral legends and myths as handed down from father to son or mother to daughter. Darkness would not continue to risk having legends handed down through parents because they might try to pass Truth to their offspring. Hence, Darkness planted recorded events on the Earth. Recorded events did not necessarily get handed down through families, so it was much easier to encourage the historians to pass down less accurate myths and legends.

Everyone who has studied history closely realizes that it is slanted to benefit the authors of it. For instance, an American history book discussing the American Revolution paints the picture of brave colonists, who, despite the tremendous odds against them, threw off the tyrannical chains George III had bound them in. A British version of the same event shows something very different indeed. Likewise, a Japanese history of that nation's invasion of China reads very differently from a Chinese history about the Japanese invasion of their homeland. The examples of this are countless, and undeniable. Whilst these conflicting accounts might explain in the broadest terms what happened, their overall imports seem to describe totally different events. In short, history is often unreliable and extremely biased. Darkness planned it to be this way to suit Its purposes.

Darkness suspected Its days were numbered, and the True-Light message confirmed this suspicion. Therefore, Darkness sought to alter this message in the hope that It could change the inevitable separation of True-Light beings from False-Light beings. Darkness is deluded into thinking that It is the Source. However, Darkness also knows that It must receive nourishment from the True Light to sustain Itself. Darkness sought to change Its past, present and future by altering the True-Light's message with written words, thereby giving Darkness a better chance in the war between Good and Evil.

Of prime importance to Darkness is to convince as many people as possible that there is no absolute evil. Darkness is able to make a strong argument in this regard because Darkness has become so deluded in Its self-imposed prison, known as the Universal Dodecahedron, that It thinks that It is the creator of everything. Given that mindset, it becomes clearer why Darkness thinks there is no evil. It does not see Itself as evil - It is in self-denial about that.

What Darkness perceives is that It expresses in both positive and negative qualities, and that these are just different sides of the same coin. Therefore, Darkness has formulated a monotheistic doctrine in which It is everything - Light and Darkness, which is all rolled into one being. I have called the light expressed by Darkness the False-Light. It is the expression of a self-admitted emotional, jealous, warring, vindictive, murderous, prejudiced deity. To Darkness, this is light, because Darkness does not express True Love or True Peace. In other words, the best expression one can hope for from Darkness is bundled into the qualities of jealousy, greed, worldly power, conditional love based upon Darkness' created emotions, etc.

With Darkness playing both saviour and devil, it is easy to see why the corrupted version of the Revelation calls for a New Jerusalem, which is to be constructed of Matter. The New Jerusalem would only be the latest version of the Earth that Darkness would create. Darkness has started Its creation over and over whenever things became too chaotic, or whenever the True Light had brought down sufficient energy so that the inhabitants began getting close to discovering the Truth. Darkness then caused cataclysmic events that allowed It to wipe out nearly all knowledge of the past, to cover up the old footprints and start anew.

It is no wonder that so many who have attempted to sort out the purpose of life have ended their searches in despair, or ended up going down one of the myriad of traps set up by Darkness in anticipation of deceiving the deeper searchers. Most never see through the mazes of deception that Darkness has used to obstruct any who search for Truth. Those who begin to get a glimmer of what this world is about would most certainly despair.

Prophecies in the Bible can either be based upon messages from the True Light or messages from representatives of Darkness. If the message comes from a True-Light being such as Moses, Daniel, Jesus or John the Divine, then Darkness corrupts and edits the message so that it is no longer recognizable. However, when a False-Light being such as Ezekiel presents the message, it is generally not corrupted because it is already giving out faulty information to benefit Darkness. Further, agents of Darkness can often be identified by their "fire and brimstone" messages, although these days they often hide behind the façade of love, peace and harmony. The False-Light prophets present future events in the way Darkness wants people to believe they will occur.

Darkness corrupted the Original Revelation of John the Divine in many ways, including adding in the idea of the construction of a New Jerusalem in which peace and harmony would reign for 1,000 years before It unleashed the Devil again. It makes no sense whatsoever for a loving God to release such a dangerous entity to again prey upon humankind, but it makes perfect sense for such an evil deity to do so. After all, in releasing the Devil, It would only be releasing the negative side of Itself to again cause suffering and misery. Of course, the word of this deity is not to be trusted, so the 1,000-year promise of peace could turn out to be something much shorter, especially for a deity that is so war-mongering.

Darkness is constantly re-creating Its domain, seeking, among other things, to find the optimum mix of suffering and conflict with the minimum amount of happiness. In this "ideal" world there would be minimal chance of Truth being discovered. To bring this about, Darkness sought out "chosen ones" to hide the Truth with the written word. It was through these "chosen ones" that Darkness would keep an historical record of the past and present, and make prophecies about the future. These "chosen ones" were given an alphabet and a written language to make records of history that suited Darkness.

The recording of Darkness' history, current and future events has been relatively recent. For instance, catastrophic events have swept the Earth in the past, such as when the dinosaurs became extinct. There is ample evidence that the Earth has been revolving around the sun for a long, long time, yet Darkness' "chosen ones" have recorded a history to make it appear to many that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. Darkness has impressed Its "chosen ones" to load the historic register with an unbroken string of events and genealogy. One might ask how could a chronological record of the beginning of creation survive. The answer is that the chronology presented was only recently constructed.

Darkness is a warring energy. Many times the True Light has attempted to retrieve Darkness from Its self-constructed prison we know as the Virtual Reality. However, Darkness refuses to walk in the True Light. It is totally opposed to the True Light.

The True Light has journeyed into the Virtual Reality many times to try to retrieve Darkness through Divine Love, but It has always rejected the True Light and tried to corrupt everything in Its presence. So, finally, the True Light commenced the separation process to retrieve all the viable True-Light beings in order to salvage them from Darkness.

Darkness detests the True Light and always tries to squash Truth in this domain so that It can continue to trap and retain Its prisoners and slaves. This is an important point in understanding the Bible.

The dominant Voice or Force in the Bible is the Voice of Darkness. It is the energy that created the Earth and the physical dimension. It is the Voice that claims that the new heaven will be in an earthly form. Sprinkled throughout the chants of Darkness are some gems that the True Light has presented on the Earth. Darkness has allowed some of the messages from True-Light beings to be included in the Bible in order to attract more True-Light beings into the main religions of the Bible - Judaism and Christianity.

Where Darkness has permitted messages from the True Light to be included in the Bible, It has generally given them a twist to confuse and confound searchers and to suit Its purposes. Darkness has added or removed words to the messages to deceive followers into believing that Jesus and other prophets of the True Light uttered things and acted in ways that are contrary to their Divine essences. The insertions and deletions are man-made and not inspirations from the Divine Source.

There are many things that Darkness has inserted into the Bible that identify Its very nature. It proudly announces that It is a jealous god that punishes those who dare to disobey or displease It. Darkness threatens that these punishments can carry over from generation to generation. Darkness has a long memory when It feels It has been slighted. According to Its Bible, Darkness is biased in favour of the Jews and, therefore, prejudiced against non-Jews. If, as Darkness claims in the Bible, It is the god of all creation, then It is very unjust that It favours some of Its creation and punishes others of Its own creation.

In several passages of Genesis, Darkness is shown to encourage and reward fraud and deception. For instance, after Abraham deceived pharaoh by pretending his wife was his sister, which deception enticed pharaoh to desire to wed Sarah, Abraham was blessed by Darkness. Genesis 12:12-19. Rebekah and Jacob deceived Isaac into giving his blessing to Jacob instead of to his firstborn, Esau, and that blessing carries on through the entire Bible. See: Genesis Chapter 27. These, and certain other deceivers in the Bible were rewarded by Darkness even after they committed fraud.

Darkness demanded the sacrifice of Isaac, Abraham's son. If the extant Bible's version is to be believed, this was supposedly only a test of Abraham's devotion to Darkness. Even if it were only a test, putting Abraham and his family through such terrible emotional trauma is evil. Genesis 22:1-13.

Darkness proudly admits to assisting certain tribes in slaughtering thousands and thousands of people. If these were all Its children, why would It want them slaughtered? Why does Darkness thrive on physical death?

To understand why there is so much fighting and death in the Bible, one should consider that there are several alien races on the Earth. Darkness favours certain alien races over others because It is a warring god and derives satisfaction, pleasure and energy from watching beings suffer. Humans have been programmed by Darkness to also derive pleasure from watching or participating in executions, bullfights, gladiatorial contests and engagement in wars, as well as other abominable activities. Darkness also thrives upon human unrest.

Darkness has created various alien races whose purposes are to conquer various planets in the Virtual Reality. The Anunnaki are the chosen ones of Darkness because they are the ones who have been created to most closely resemble the essences of Darkness. They are sly, deceptive, cruel, cunning, greedy, hedonistic, hateful, selfish, power-hungry and bloodthirsty.

The time for the separation of True-Light beings from Matter is now. As I have written before, the artificially induced Indian Ocean Tsunami was the First Major Cataclysmic Event, which signalled that we are in the Original Revelation.

Darkness could not give a time frame for Armageddon and what was to come in the Bible because the True Light would not reveal this information. Therefore, the Bible is shrouded in mystery pertaining to the time when Armageddon would occur. Further, Darkness has attempted to change what Armageddon is - the separation of True-Light beings from Matter. Darkness has corrupted this and turned Its version of Armageddon into a gruesome, physical war.

There are many who accept this to be true. However, there are not so many who know that the Revelation in the extant Bible is corrupted. Those who believe in the correctness of the version of the book contained in the extant Bible are in for a devastating disappointment.

John the Divine is an Attas of the True Light who compiled a book of his divinational-visions into what was then the Original Revelation. Darkness realized that the energy contained in John's book was from the True Light and saw the danger of having it remain intact on the Earth. However, Darkness wanted to include this book in the Bible for Its own agenda. Therefore, Darkness sent out Its agents to tamper with John the Divine's Original Revelation by adding things to it and subtracting things from it to suit Its purposes. They have also fragmented the writing by breaking it into chapters and verses in an attempt to alter its energy.

Among the purposes of John's original book was to undo some of the corruption that had already been done to the teachings of Jesus, and to prepare people for the upcoming energy battle of Armageddon. It gave a blueprint of what would happen.

Some might ask who John was to correct the wrongs that had already been done to Jesus' teachings. John the Divine is the same being as Jesus. In his physical lifetime, he was the returned Christ. Jesus has returned many times since his lifetime as John the Divine, and he had been to Earth many times previous to his lifetime as Jesus. Further, Jesus is on Earth today.

Darkness has altered what Jesus did in every lifetime he lived on the Earth. Shortly after Daniel - who is the same being as Jesus - prophesized the end times, Darkness began altering that book. Darkness knew that if Daniel's predictions were left intact, what he wrote would come to pass. Since Darkness did not like the outcome - the separation of True-Light beings from False-Light beings and the ultimate collapse of Darkness - It had Its agents alter Daniel's prophecies to give Darkness a fighting chance. The events and the outcome in the extant Daniel and in the extant Revelation are purposely corrupted to present a version that makes Darkness the victor, because readers are deceived into thinking that Darkness is the True Light.

Darkness has always known that very few people would follow It if It clearly identified Itself as a rebellious being that broke away from the True Light, and overlaid Its pseudo-creation over the True-Light Creation with which to trap True-Light beings. Therefore, Darkness began making Itself appear to be the True-Light God by deceiving nearly everyone in the world about Its nature. Although Darkness is in opposition to the True Light, It tries to usurp and pretends to be the True Light.

The True Light has Divine qualities that Darkness opposes with Its own evil qualities. Darkness counters Divine Love with worldly emotional love, but It pretends that Its emotional love is really Divine Love. It counters Divine Peace with war. Darkness pretends to be peace loving, when, in fact, It is a demigod of war. Divine Truth is countered with lies, deceit and fraud. Hence, Darkness is a demiurge of deception.

Moses offered his people the message that there was a single, Divine Being of Purity, Love and Light. This message was later corrupted by Darkness into the type of monotheism that appears in the extant Bible. With these alterations, Yahweh became the god of the Hebrews. Yahweh fostered slavery, deception, brutality, cruelty, the belittling and stoning of women. Yahweh loves sacrifices and demands obedience and worship of It as the only god because he is a self-declared jealous god.


Namaste


Sooooo true.

It actually isn't the Devil's tool, its God's tool...the Evil God.

However, people are, understandably so, confused between The God of Light and the Prince of Darkness...because the bible talks about both as if they are one...but if they use their intuition, its actually very blatant.
That's why the Quraan came after it, to conceal those very apparent TRUTHS.

The God of Light WILL liberate us from this prison.