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creamfields usa
07-09-2009, 10:04 AM
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is getting no shortage of advice on what to say in his health care speech to Congress, and much of it conflicts.

Liberals want him to issue a call to action in his Wednesday address, clear and bold. Conservatives hope he'll back away from his push for sweeping changes this year and break health care legislation into smaller pieces.

Everyone is hungry for specifics about Obama's stand on major elements of the package.

The biggest challenge he faces is taking ownership of legislation that until now has been shaped by political conflicts in Congress. Lawmakers return this week from a summer break that saw contentious forums on the issue in their districts and eroding public support for an overhaul.

Obama was previewing his new health care theme during a Labor Day speech Monday in Cincinnati at an AFL-CIO picnic.

The president, admired the world over for his oratory, has struggled to find the right message on health care. Polls show Americans are losing confidence in his vision of a revamped system with guaranteed coverage and lower costs.

On the Sunday public affairs shows, political luminaries lined up to offer advice on Obama's speech.

"I'm hoping for wisdom on Wednesday night," said Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., appearing on CNN's "State of the Union." Klobuchar said some of the emotion of the August forums is dissipating and constituents are now focusing on how their costs will keep rising if Congress fails to act.

Former Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean said Obama must face political reality and recognize he's not going to get much support from Republicans. Instead, Obama should use his prime-time address to rally his party, he said.

"What people value more than anything else in a president is strength, and that's what we've got to see," Dean said on "Fox News Sunday."

Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., said going for broke would lead Democrats into a dead-end.

"He should say, `I'm going to clear the deck. ... Here are the four or five things that we can get done, and we can do them in a bipartisan way,'" Alexander said, also on Fox.

On at least one high-profile controversy, there was little clarity from the Obama administration Sunday. The president's bottom line on a government health insurance option remained blurry as White House officials stressed support but stopped of short of calling it a must-have.

Obama "believes it should be in the plan, and he expects to be in the plan, and that's our position," political adviser David Axelrod told The Associated Press.

Asked if that means Obama will only sign a bill with a public plan, Axelrod replied: "I'm not going to deal in hypotheticals. ... He believes it's important."

The idea of a public plan has become a symbol for government's reach.

Supporters say it would give people secure benefits like those older Americans get through Medicare, while leaving medical decisions to doctors and patients. The plan would be offered alongside private coverage through a new kind of purchasing pool called an insurance exchange. At least initially, the exchange would be open to small employers and people buying their own coverage.

Insurers say they couldn't compete with government's price-setting power. Employers contend it would undermine job-based coverage.

While many House Democrats support a public plan, Senate votes appear to be lacking.


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motleyhoo
08-09-2009, 06:40 AM
I watched part of the speech and all he did was spend the entire time bashing the insurance companies like they were the scapegoats for all the problems. He is doing this because he has inside information that will never be shared with the people, namely that the insurance companies are going to be getting a sweet inside deal and will make billions off of the lobbyist written legislation when it's finished.

I am all for health care reform, but not this health care reform, because our govt is so broken that it cannot get anything right. Every piece of legislation coming out of Congress is 100% written for the corporations and we get screwed up the tailpipe again and again.

Not until this govt falls under an armed revolution (because that's what it's going to take) will I ever vote Yes for anything they want to do.

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veritasvoice
08-09-2009, 08:19 AM
I watched part of the speech and all he did was spend the entire time bashing the insurance companies like they were the scapegoats for all the problems. He is doing this because he has inside information that will never be shared with the people, namely that the insurance companies are going to be getting a sweet inside deal and will make billions off of the lobbyist written legislation when it's finished.

I am all for health care reform, but not this health care reform, because our govt is so broken that it cannot get anything right. Every piece of legislation coming out of Congress is 100% written for the corporations and we get screwed up the tailpipe again and again.

Got to love that the people calling for greater government intervention to give them a "better healthcare system" are so ignorant to believe that the current corporate system couldn't have gained this kind of a monopoly without the HMO's being enshrined by the government in the first place!

I've heard that if the Universal Healthcare bill passes, there will be something in the order of 30+ separate federal agencies inserted between doctor and patient.
This process was started by the Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973, which created a healthcare monopoly for the likes of Kaiser Permanente. And since insider trading is LEGAL for Congress, doubtless career politicians have fed well off of the healthcare industry for some time; this relationship has gradually lead to more monopolization, which of course leads to an steady artificial increase in prices, benefiting corporate medicine far more than it does a practicing doctor, or any patient.

The first actual reform would be tort reform, followed by the abolition of HMO's and the renewal of the ability for doctors to work directly with their patients on pricing.

hadabusa
08-09-2009, 09:46 AM
I watched part of the speech and all he did was spend the entire time bashing the insurance companies like they were the scapegoats for all the problems. He is doing this because he has inside information that will never be shared with the people, namely that the insurance companies are going to be getting a sweet inside deal and will make billions off of the lobbyist written legislation when it's finished.

I am all for health care reform, but not this health care reform, because our govt is so broken that it cannot get anything right. Every piece of legislation coming out of Congress is 100% written for the corporations and we get screwed up the tailpipe again and again.

Not until this govt falls under an armed revolution (because that's what it's going to take) will I ever vote Yes for anything they want to do.

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off course itll take violence, they wont just retire and call it a day.
the hc bill will absolutelly enslave couple coming generations.

one huge problem is the military empire that washington maintains.
its like running colonies that return nothing to govt, cept affordable oil.

genocide is called foreign policy in america.
with the foreign policy as is, nothing will ever change.

obama is worthless to the ppl.
remember when he bought some imbeciles a menu at some fastfood restaurant ?
how she yelled *omfg, he paid my meal,luv,woot,excited*
well, madam, he paid with tax money.
i understand its cool to heat with the smooth talking zero, its considerable ?change? compared2foodstamps menues.
but the common thing with the2meals is, theyre payed by taxpayers.

after bush, even a bag of bullshit wouldve been elected,as long it ran as dem.lol.

positive thing about barry?0?obama:potus isnt hillary clinton, husband of warcriminal hillbill clinton.

damn, lewinsky wasnt a topmodel really, that says a thing about hillary .