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macneil
07-09-2009, 04:10 AM
Hello all, new member and first post, it turned out to be a long one... I have only only been reading here for a few days and I would say some things I don't go with. I would however go with 70% with a will to learn more... 20% I have no clue about.

I've been "fully awake" for around 2 years now, ignorance was bliss. I have yet to meet someone already fully awake, so I was glad to find this place... I say fully awake as most people from Northern Ireland already know how collusion, secret societies and terrorism go hand in hand.

Forgive me if I'm repeating a post, I’m sure someone has picked up on this and would like to hear from anyone who knows more or can correct me where I am wrong. I'd welcome comments from the Masonic members and in particular anyone from Northern Ireland. I’ve tried searching the forum but I guess I don’t have the rights to see the results page.

The purpose of me writing this is to compare and show you the connections I THINK I know now with what I didn't know then. To explain how the media, government, secret soceities and other countries played a part in Northern Ireland and how most people outside the country didnt really get the full picture.

ULTIMATELY, TO SHOW EVIDENCE HOW THE ORANGE ORDER, THE ROYAL BLACK ORDER AND THEIR LINKS TO FREE MASONRY HAVE A HEAVY HAND TO PLAY IN NORTHERN IRELAND

http://www.iiofpitt.org/UserFiles/File/Common%20Ground%20July%202006/Orangemen.jpg


This post could go under many different threads. I’m trying to write this from the heart with as much of a neutral stance as possible. It may have been covered before like I said and if so treat it as a point of view from someone who has just awoke in Northern Ireland, who can’t work out if he’s lost the plot and is trying to piece together the information that he has woken to.

So I'm 35 from Belfast and up until the IRA cease fire here in 1994 I would class that I grew up in a police state. Anyone from here or who has been here in the midst of the troubles will confirm that you couldn’t get in or out of Belfast city centre without being body searched. I remember even as a young child being searched and watching my mother being searched, the security huts, army foot patrols, bomb disposal squads, armoured vehicles (daily basis)... shoot to kill policies, house raids, riots... i've seen probably 4 controlled explosions and heard many more. I have been searched face down on the ground, I have been searched bent over the bonnets of cars, I have had a gun pointed at me indoors and in jest by drunk "civilians" (off duty police). I have witnessed one live bomb attack... I know of people who lost their lives and thankfully no one close. Well, you get the idea, and all before I hit 20.

There are ghetto areas in Belfast just like any other city and although I was wise to the streets I came from a good impartial, non sectarian family and I wasn't a bad kid, this was just the norm... I went to a Grammar School, dabled in drugs, went to college, your average kid from here. I am observant and reasonably well educated....

I would also add that I was baptised catcholic, non practising. I have more protestant friends than catholic friends...my 2 daughters have not been baptised... funny how I feel I need to declare this stuff to give an opinion on Northern Ireland. Truthfully, it is difficult to be from my generation in Northern Ireland and not have a slant. It is what you were conditioned to by the media, peers, schooling and the reality of the situation.

Now I'm far from the be all and end all of information in Ireland and as to why the whole thing happened...I do however have a good grasp of what happened but not the minute details, names and dates but I have been trying to learn more. I didn’t care much for Irish politics and I hated history. I have stumbled across a lot of this information recently and as the pieces started to fit together it blew me away...

I am anti war but for you to understand the next part of this post and where it leads to, I need you have a neutral view of what you know as the IRA today and have a look at some Irish history up to their formation. I don't want you to think that I'm sympathising but Irish Catholics had it tough back then:

THE 19th CENTURY

1800 The Act of Union joins England and Ireland (the act comes into effect in 1801)

1803 Robert Emmet's rising in Dublin. The rising is crushed and Emmet is executed.

1807 Famine in Ireland

1817 Famine and typhus in Ireland

1820s Agrarian unrest is led by a secret society called the Ribbonmen

1821-1822 Famine strikes Ireland again

1823 Daniel O'Connell founds the Catholic Association

1829 The Catholic Emancipation Act allows Catholics to enter parliament and to hold public office

1830-1834 Famine stalks Ireland again

1832 Cholera epidemic in Irish towns

1836 Famine strikes again

1838 Tithes (a tax of 1 tenth on farm produce paid to the Church of Ireland) are reduced by 25%

1840 Young Ireland is founded

1843 The first railway in Ireland from Dublin to Kingstown opens

1841 The population of Ireland is 8,175,000

1845-1849
The potato blight causes a potato famine. Perhaps 1 million people die. Many more emigrate. The population of Ireland falls dramatically. The famine is at its worst in the West and Southwest of Ireland.

1848
The Treason-Felony Act is passed
William O'Brien (1803-1864) attempts a rebellion known as 'the battle of the Widow McCormack's cabbage patch' in County Tipperary. He is later sentenced to transportation.

1848-1850 Cholera epidemics

1850 The Irish Franchise Act greatly increases the number of people allowed to vote

1851 The population of Ireland has fallen to 6,552,000

1854
The Catholic University of Ireland opens
Oscar Wilde is born

1858 The Irish Republican Brotherhood is formed

1867 Fenian rising

1869 The Church of Ireland is disestablished

1870
Gladstone's Land Act gives tenant farmers the right to compensation if they have made improvements to the land
The Home Government Association is formed

1873 It is replaced by the Home Rule League

1879 The Irish National Land League is formed. It demands the 'three f's', fair rent, fixity of tenure and free sale of land.

1880
A new verb enters the language 'to boycott'. Charles Stewart Parnell, the leader of the Land League declares that if a tenant is evicted and somebody else takes over the land that person is to be ostracised. The first person so treated is a Captain Boycott.

1881
The Land Law Act grants the '3 f's'. The Land Commission is formed to fix rent and to give loans to purchase land.
Parnell is imprisoned

1882
James Joyce is born
Parnell is released

1884
The franchise is extended again
The Gaelic Athletic Association is founded

1885 Under the Ashbourne Act loans are given to tenant farmers to buy their land. The loans are to be repaid at low rates of interest

1886 The first Home Rule bill is rejected by the British parliament

1890
Michael Collins is born
Oscar Wilde publishes The Picture of Dorian Gray
Parnell is named as co-respondent in a divorce case

1891 Another Land Act makes more money available to tenant farmers to buy land

1893
The Gaelic League is founded
The second Home Rule bill is passed by the British House of Commons but is rejected by the House of Lords
Another Land Act makes it easier for tenant farmers to borrow money to buy their land

1898 The Irish Local Government Act gives Ireland local government similar to the English system

THE 20th CENTURY

1900 Oscar Wilde dies

1903 A final Land Act makes it still easier for tenant farmers to obtain loans and buy their land. As a result millions of acres change hands by 1921

1905 Sinn Fein is founded

1909 The Irish Transport and General Workers Union is founded

1913
The Ulster Volunteer Force is founded
Tram strike in Dublin
A third Home Rule bill is passed by the British parliament. However the act is put on hold in September because of the outbreak of the First World War.

1916
The Easter Rising
James Joyce publishes A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man

1919
The Irish Volunteers are renamed the Irish Republican Army
A number of Sinn Fein MPs were elected to the British parliament in December 1918. However they refuse to take their seats. Instead they form their own parliament in Dublin called the Dail Eireann. Eammon de Valera is elected president of the Dail.

1919-1921 The War of Independence. The IRA fights a guerrilla war against the British.

1920
Ireland is partitioned. The Government of Ireland Act forms 2 parliaments in Ireland. One in the North and one in the South. Both are to have their own prime minister. However both are to be subordinate to the British parliament.
The 'Black and Tans' are formed to reinforce the Royal Irish Constabulary

1921
The Northern parliament meets for the first time. Sinn Fein win almost all the seats for the Southern parliament but they refuse to take their seats. Instead they carry on meeting in the Dail Eireann.
A truce is made between the IRA and the British
An Anglo-Irish treaty partitions Ireland

1922
The Dail agrees to the treaty but civil war begins between those who accept the treaty and those who don't
Michael Collins is killed
The Garda Siochana is formed
James Joyce publishes Ulysses

1923
The civil war ends
A Censorship of Films Act is passed

So as I see it they were a movement against the Crown due to their lack of response during the famine, hardship, slavery, invasion and re-claiming land (Palestine?). Ireland lost 25% of the population at that time, 1 million died (genocide?), 1 million emmigrated... Intersting to add Derry was changed to Londonderry due to famillies of planted English Protestants paying to emmigrate first and be on boats before native Catholics, they changed the name in honour of the British Goverment for doing this. People can tell today what religion you are by wich name you call the city.

It is worth looking at the full time line to see the extent of invasions and uprisings in even earlier times. Catholics were not allowed education or to vote. I am not a supporter of the IRA I just want to get across that who they were up until the 1920’s is a lot different to who they are now.

http://www.localhistories.org/irishtime.html

http://www.chrisandmegan.com/belfast/famine2.jpg

As for their more modern campaign...

That was to bring about a united Ireland, kicked off in 1969 and stopped in 1994-98 (as if by magic after raging for almost 30 yrs) with the Good Friday Agreement. Their campaign was to free Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom so to speak. Again there are a lot of events leading up the troubles in 1969 fueled by unemployment and poor housingin, but also included the British Government and in particular and more importantly Edward Heath in the late 60’s, Carter, Thatcher, MI5 and the British Army. I only recently found out that Edward Heath was a Bilderberger, led Britain into the EEC and was in office during the escallation of our troubles and who also introduced Internment to Northern Ireland. As far as I’m aware each Prime Minister since Heath has been a Bilderberger...?

So what do you think if I say IRA today? You should immediately think MURDER & BOMBS, well yes...they did and a lot of innocent people. This is also the reason I grew up in a Police State. But would you be familiar with the loyalist (protestant) paramilitaries as much, such as UDA, UVF, LVF, UFF, RHC? Some of you probably, most not from here I would doubt? Lets say that the loyalist paramilitaries didn’t have the bomb making experience but were as equally adept at shooting people. Another reason might be, that they were pretty much only covered on our regional news? The main reason I guess would be that the IRA brought the bombing campaign to mainland England with Manchester, Birmingham, Canary Warf and Brighton... I can’t think of any others right now

In and when the Northern Ireland partition was formed in 1920, sectarianism towards catholics continued with regards to employment, housing and education right up until the 90’s. There are still both the same protestant and catholic ghetto areas in Belfast now as per the early 1900’s. If I’m right it all kicked off when protestant people from these ghettos during the 60’s were being employed in industry, civil service etc and Catholics weren’t. Tit for tat killings started the ball rolling and this was as I know the foundation for the modern IRA campaign. To this day there is still a split of 80-20% in the northern ireland police force in favor of protestants, I believe it was 95-5% in 1998? I don’t think I would have the job I have now if this was 20yrs ago... Why? - because someone splashed water on my head and said I was catholic...

Lots of murder, lots of bombing and lots of shooting between Nationalist (Catholic) & Loyalist (Protestant) paramilitaries... Televised daily, 2 dead here, retaliation the next day, 1 dead there, controlled explosions, army check points... I blamed it mostly on the media and was aware of this from my early teens, if it wasn’t as televised I believe the tit for tat retaliation wouldn’t have happened so frequently. Again what was seen on national UK news was different to our regional news.

SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT MATE THIS IS A SECRET SOCIETY THREAD NOT A HISTORY LESSON?

The point is WHY all the killing, WHY did it escallate? For years I think about 95% of the population asked WHY. I don’t know... PROBLEM – REACTION – SOLUTION, what was the solution? Guinea Pigs for a Police State? I don’t know still....
But what I do know is, the Orange & Black Orders should be stopped... They have members associated with murder. Should any Masonic forum members ask where is my proof as I have seen them ask before in previous threads I suggest they google ORANGE ORDER MURDER or come to Belfast, you can test it yourself by posing as a Catholic in a ghetto Protestant estate. You may also say “they aren’t masons – they are Orangemen, they don’t speak for me”, but in fact, yes, they are also masons and I know of such people in everyday life, they wear the same ring as you... I won’t deny that there are decent people in these orders but cover ups and blind eyes were and still are rife.

For example:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/government-accused-of-coverup-over-finucane-inquiry-454688.html

Ok, for a so called Catholic who lives in Northern Ireland let me tell you what I personally know of the Orange Order and then I’ll put up some information I have found more recently.

They celebrate The Battle Of the Boyne in 1690 when catholic King James II was defeated by William of Orange, they do this on the 12th of July every year. They March every year on this date in their 1000’s through the province wearing sashes, cuffs and carrying banners celebrating the defeat. They are an anti Catholic organisation and Catholics are not permitted to join. Members are not permitted to attend Catholic services nor marry a catholic. A vast quantity of the Northern Ireland police force and politicians are members. A lot of their members are and have been involved in paramilitary organisations. They are accompanied in their parades by flute and pipe bands. The band members are linked more closely with paramilitaries to remove the direct association. They March traditional routes and up until recently through some stronghold nationalist areas. They say they are a religious and traditional organisation. The sashes have Masonic emblems and badges, these members I guess are also Masons. The orange lodges have a lot of Masonic emblems. I have been refused to sit at a table at a Family dinner of an orange household based on my so called religion. Before the 60’s/70’s it wasn’t uncommon for a Catholic family to go and watch the parade.
And other things I know of but never understood... What is the Jewish/Israel relation to the orange order and Northern Ireland...why do I have friends that wear stars of David when they aren’t jewish but protestant? What is the relation with the tribes of Israel? Why did I never want to know this before? Why do most Catholics and a lot of Protestant people here know hardly anything about this connection with Israel... Why am I nervous about even posting this. And one thing in particular....WHY IN THESE TIMES IS THERE A PARTITION BETWEEN NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN IRELAND.

OK so for an average college educated catholic guy in Northern Ireland that is pretty much the extent of what i know, or should I say, cared to know on orangeism. Admittedly not a great deal, but good people in Northern Ireland prefer to bury their head in the sand. I do know of other stuff but would be uncomfortable disclosing it.

So what I’ll do now is post up what I have found out more recently since my awakening, there is something in particular that I now know that has really been playing on my mind... I’ll post the bits of particular interest and then a link if I think you should read more but try not to get carried away and come back to the post. I’ll comment in brackets... I cannot vouch for the integrity but it all seems to say the same thing, point in the same direction and it all seems to be one very big fucking coincidence....

http://www.escape-to-the-seventies.com/films/movie%20images/clockwork%20orange.jpg

THE ORANGE ORDER
Long before the partition of Ireland, landlords and industrialists of the north east had been using Orangism as a way to divide the plain people and thereby control them. When the Orange Order was founded in 1795 it was to protect the aristocracy from the revolutionary nationalists of the United Irishmen and to divide working people on religious grounds.

'PROTESTANT PRIVILEGE'

Its function was to fool ordinary Protestants into thinking that they had a common cause with their 'betters'. Its basis was making the 'Croppies' or 'Fenians' (i.e. Catholics) lie down. Initially Protestant privilege had to do with getting the best land. More recently it has been about access to jobs, houses, and a sense of superiority. That this 'privilege' is very minor does not matter a lot. When you have little, the difference between you and the person with even less can assume an unreal importance.
The history of Protestant privilege in the North is not seriously denied by many people anymore. Nor is it seriously denied that this was official policy since the formation of the northern state in 1921. It was never a secret. Unionist prime ministers couldn't stop boasting about it.
"I have always said that I am an Orangeman first, and a politician and a member of this parliament afterwards...all I boast is that we have a Protestant parliament for a Protestant people" (Craigavon); "I recommend those people who are loyalists not to employ Roman Catholics... I want you to realise that you have got your Prime Minister behind you" (Brookeborough). Even the much lauded 'liberal' Terence O'Neill advertised for a "Protestant girl" to clean his house.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/2009_07_14/belfast-catholics-riot-over-protestant-parade-2009-07-14_l.jpg

TERRORISM

This policy of anti-Catholic bigotry was enforced by terror and murder. Sometimes it was carried out by official bodies (the RUC and the B Specials), sometimes by 'unofficial' murder gangs such as that led by RUC District Inspector Nixon in the 1920s. Today the main players are the Royal Irish Regiment (formerly the UDR), along with the UDA, UVF and Red Hand Commando.

In 1924 Prime Minister Craig introduced legislation to "indemnify all officers of the Crown against all actions or legal proceedings... (in relation to) any act, matter or thing done during the course of the present Troubles, if done in good faith, and done, or purported to be done in the execution of their duty or for the defence of Northern Ireland". In 1969 Terence O'Neill granted an amnesty to the loyalist thugs (including off-duty RUC and B Specials) who attacked civil rights marchers at Burntollet Bridge. Today very few RUC or RIR members, no matter how bloody their deeds, ever see the inside of a prison cell.

This is now accepted as an established fact by practically everyone. What many do not want to accept is that Protestant privilege is still a reality in the North. Yet the official British government figures show that Catholic males are two and a half times more likely to be unemployed than Protestants. A study released last October by Professor Bob Rowthorn of Cambridge University found that 33% of Catholics aged 25 to 55 - the important wage earning years - are unemployed compared to 15% of Protestants. In December it was revealed that 60% of the long term unemployed were Catholics. While there is a very real increase in poverty among Protestants, it is still true that Catholics get an even worse deal.

Thus when loyalist workers talk about holding on to what they have, there are talking about something concrete. It is not merely about 'identity' or 'culture'. And where they feel they have lost something over the last twenty five years (like direct unionist control over the RUC and unrestricted power in local councils to allocate jobs and houses to 'loyal Protestants'), they want it back.

http://www.struggle.ws/ws95/orange44.html (This was written in 1995, worth a read but please come back)

THE ROYAL BLACK INSTITUTION

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ivymead/images/Home/Emblems%201.GIF

The "Royal" Black Institution, which is also commonly known as the Royal Black Preceptory, is looked upon by its members as the senior order within Orangeism. The Black Preceptory is looked upon by outsiders as "more religious" and "more dignified" than the Orange Order.
Obtaining any useful information on the Royal Black Institution is fraught with many difficulties due mainly to the fact it is a secret society which zealously guard its secrets and mysteries from the uninitiated. It is fair to say it has succeeded in guarding its practices, teaching and symbolism over the years where even Freemasonry has failed. Published material on the institution is therefore rare.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Royalblack.jpg

(It is common belief that the black order are the true puppet masters of loyalism, they look like nice old men really and they march on a different date to Orangmen... But I would add that “Black Bastard” is a common term among nationalists and some Protestants to describe a policeman. I believe to be the true keepers of the hidden agenda in Northern Ireland)

http://www.discoverireland.com/FI_Images/product/17861_freemasons.jpg

LINKS TO FREEMASONRY

The formation of the Orange Order

The Orange Order was founded on 21st September 1795 shortly after the 'Battle of the Diamond' outside a small village in Northern Ireland called Loughgall. Three well-known local men of the area, James Wilson, Dan Winter, and James Sloan, formed the Orange institution. History reveals that all three men were dedicated Freemasons and two of the three were local pub owners.
The 'Battle of the Diamond' itself lasted only fifteen minutes and was centred on Dan Winter's public house, which was located at the Diamond crossroads. This battle (or skirmish) resulted in Winter's premises being burnt to the ground by the attacking Catholic's who were known as 'the Defenders'. The public house itself was the special focus of the attack as it was the gathering house for the local Protestant militia, the 'Peep O Day Boys'.
Winter's supporters, many of whom were Freemasons, gathered around the debris of the public house and pledged themselves to form a new secret society, made up solely of Protestant men. Devoid of Winter's premises as a meeting place the men retired to James Sloan's public house in the local village of Loughgall. It was here that the Orange Institution was properly organised.

James Wilson was probably the most influential of the founding fathers of Orangeism and was an ardent Freemason. Respected Orange historian R.M. Sibbett records, "Wilson was a member of the Society of Freemasons, which fully qualified him for establishing a new Order of a secret character."
There were three main degrees worked within the Orange Order in its early days between 1795 and 1798. These were - the Orange degree, the Orange Marksman degree and the Purple Marksman degree. Whilst little is known of the exact content of these three degrees it seems certain that they were highly ritualistic in character, being modelled on the first three degrees of Freemasonry, namely, Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master Mason.

Orange degree - Entered Apprentice degree
Orange Marksman degree - Fellowcraft degree
Purple Marksman degree - Master Mason degree

(Please click the link below to compare a PURPLE ARCH DEGREE of Orangeism and A FREE MASON DEGREE... please also browse this site later as it has loads of information an opinions from inside and outside the orders...)
http://www.nireland.com/evangelicaltruth/index2.html

.....So as I see it, an oppressive order to better the position/wealth of its members within the community. Dupes its members and dupes other non-members of the same religion to feel importance, so as to string them along so they don’t associate with working class peers from other denominations (good v evil terrorists). Self worth and wealth above Catholics, started by FREEMASONS with very similar rituals... ok so that’s an order started by MASONS to oppress a community and lull people into a false security with lies and deceit... surely not? and surely FREEMASONS wouldn’t do the same kind of thing?

http://www.chrisandmegan.com/belfast/NoSectarianMarches.jpg

OK so now for my own personal head-fuck. When I was a kid in primary school, like all kids, knew about the German concentration camps and Hitler. I also knew from TV that the Jews wore an armband with a star on it while in the camps. I remember seeing teens and adults wear this star as a gold necklace and as I thought, in remembrance of Jews that Hitler killed, as it was he who made them wear it. Now, I also thought they looked pretty cool and that my Mum would be pleased that I was a good lad and thoughtful to remember the dead. But when I asked for one, just like friends of our family had, I couldn’t understand why she said no...? I also couldn’t understand why she wouldn’t give an explanation why...? “You just can’t...” It wasn’t until my teens that I realised that it was also a symbol of loyalism... and that she actually knew it to be this. I wasn’t allowed anything symbolic, political or antagonistic as a kid. Up until recently I never knew the connection as to why a Jewish flag was a loyalist symbol.

I watched Zeitgeist about 2 years ago and my chin was on the floor. I started to look for other stuff and was trying to be more aware. After watching In Plane Sight not long after I started to get more uncomfortable and about a year ago I watched Ring of Power and that was it, info frenzy ensued. I was careful who I mentioned it to, as some people listened, others looked at me like I was loosing it, you know the drill I guess... So after watching Ring of Power, I was trying to explain the whole Zionist thing to a guy in work, the involvement with Hitler, the true bloodlines and in particular how the tribe of Dann ended up in Denmark. I done a search in google and clicked a random link and was amazed at what came back... this is the actual page

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Q6TcVgoa1V8C&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=tribe+of+dan+denmark+ireland&source=bl&ots=BuSTGf5Kus&sig=vH1XnbqidxUrlZlpEuPTiE_ZAQM&hl=en&ei=rEqYSpm9DYy5jAfmvYDGBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#v=onepage&q=tribe%20of%20dan%20denmark%20ireland&f=false

Amazed to say the least...! This is probably common knowledge among some in the forum but to me and an awful lot of people in Northern Ireland not so. I would go as far to say it is actually quite a bit of a secret in Northern Ireland and when put in the context of the bigger picture today as I/we know now, to me, it’s nuts... and a bit frightening.

As I understood the partition of Ireland happened in 1920 not 585 BC. Even reading it now still fucks with my head... It’s worth a look and scroll to the next page of the book to 121.

I’ll admit the true relationship is still wooly for me and if anyone can help me out please do. But as I see it the Orange & Black orders believe they are decendents from the lost tribe and have been here since 585 BC? I know I didn’t pay much attention in history but I don’t think this was covered! If this is the case can someone tell me what the Republican movement, IRA, Partitioning in 1920 and the bloodshed was really all about? Is this the Solution they wanted to achieve from the Good Friday Agreement, based on a Problem – Reaction? Northern Ireland to stay loyal to the Crown for racial and not religious reason and for what benefit really?

Did the IRA really work as the IRA with entirely their own agenda? Is it not a coincidence that this campaign was escalated when Edward Heath went to power..? Was Birmingham, Brighton, Canary Warf and Manchester bombings really at the hands of a bigger master? Did the so called war on Terror start on our doorstep, to justify to the Mothers of English soldiers why Britain shouldn’t give up hold to a piece of land that no one else really gave a shit about? As said before and as if by magic the Good Friday agreement was passed after a 30 year struggle and a lot of Nationalist Catholic politicians (former IRA murderers) are doing pretty well now with their nice salaries. OR has the Republican movement been struggling against what everyone else is now waking up to?

I also read that Heath had £5 million when he died, of which £20,000 I think was left to his brothers widow and £2500 to his house keeper and the rest was left to charity... What charity and why leave that much, he mustn’t have liked his brother’s wife?

So over the past while I’ve been looking more into the symbols I see on the sashes and trying to find out more about the lost tribe. It’s not something you really can approach and ask someone about over here and I’m still trying to work out which tribe it is they believe to be from... As I read it was Dann but recently looking into symbolism I found something that contradicts the link as to which tribe.

It wasn’t until this past week that I realised that even the flag of Ulster is Zionist (Ulster is a term more used by Protestants for Northern Ireland, why, I don’t know?). This flag is contentious and is draped everywhere along with Union Jacks over the marching season, in certain areas it flies all year round... The Union Jack is in fact a contentious flag itself here. You wouldn’t see an individual parading these flags but there is safety in numbers at certain times and certain areas.

http://www.flagsonline.it/Bandiere/adesivi/northern-ireland.jpg

Notice anything about our flag?

THE FOLLOWING WAS TAKEN FROM http://www.jahtruth.co.uk/uflag.htm

The true origin of the Ulster Flag

On the beautiful Ulster flag there is a "Red Hand" mounted on the "Star of David", under a Royal Crown. Why would symbols of Israel's royalty be on the flag of people who have been taught that they are gentiles?

It is because they are NOT gentiles but Israelites who have lost the knowledge of their true identity and the PROOF is on the flag.

Jacob/Israel's fourth son, who was called Judah, had twin sons called Zarah and Pharez, recorded in Genesis 38: 28-30. When the twins were due to be born Zarah put his hand out of the womb and the midwife tied a "Red Cord" around his wrist to mark the first-born and his birthright. However, Zarah of the "Red-Hand" pulled his hand back and his brother Pharez was born first and so breached Zarah's birthright and was therefore named Pharez meaning breach in Hebrew.

Because Zarah lost his birthright he went into exile to Iberia (Heberia - the Hebrew's land) and built Zaragossa ("Stronghold of Zarah"). Later on the Israelites' traditional enemy Babylon and then Rome (the New Babylon) invaded Iberia (Spain) and drove the Zarahites of the "Red-Hand" to the North of Spain to Galicia and Vizcaya (Biscay) and many left Heberia (Iberia) and sailed to Hibernia (Hebernia - the Hebrew's new land) - Ireland.

In Jerusalem, from Zarah's brother Pharez, came the line of David and Solomon, whose symbol is the "Star of David". So how did the "Star of David" come to Ireland and find its way onto the Ulster Flag?

Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon overthrew king Zedekiah of Jerusalem, from the line of David, c. 588 B.C. and Jeremiah the Prophet took Zedekiah's daughter called Teia Tephi, Jacob's Pillar (The Lia Fail / Stone of Destiny) and "The Ark of The Covenant" from Jerusalem via Tanis in Egypt ("Raiders of the Lost Ark" film); Gibraltar; Galicia and Cornwall and brought them to Ireland for safety.

Teia Tephi the queen of Israel and Gibraltar landed at Howth on 18/6/583 B.C. and travelled to Tara where she married Eochaidh the High king of Ireland on 21/6/583 B.C. Eochaidh was from Judah/Zarah of the "Red-Hand" and Teia Tephi was from the line of David and when they married they sealed the breach caused hundreds of years previously, when Judah's twin sons had been born. With their marriage-union we have the "Red-Hand" mounted on the "Star of David" under the single Royal Crown, symbolizing the union of the two royal lines, which sprang from Judah.

So now you see that Ulstermen are NOT gentiles but Israelites descended from Judah who was Jacob/Israel's fourth son. As further proof of their identity the word British is not English but Hebrew in origin and means "the People of The Covenant" or in other words "the People of Israel" and the Union Jack is called the Union Jack because it is the flag of the "Union of Jack-ob Israel" - the British-Israel People of The Covenant that is buried inside The Ark of The Covenant, on the Hill of Tara, in Co Meath, that I want all Ulstermen to help recover from Teia Tephi's tomb on the Hill of The Torah (Tara), to bring permanent peace to Ulster and Ireland, in fulfillment of His Prophecy (in the "Book of Tephi Queen of Tara and Gibraltar"), to His People in Ulster and Ireland. (Please read my booklet "Navan Fort, ancient seat of kings")

The people of Southern Ireland are not gentiles either, as they have been wrongly taught by the Vatican, who wanted them all to be catholics, but are also Israelites, descended from Judah's brother Dan, the fifth of Jacob/Israel's sons (Genesis 30:6), and were known as the Tuatha de Danaan - the Tribe of Dan.

When all the people of Ireland realise and accept their Israelite roots and reject both of the false religions that pass under and abuse Christ's name and true teachings and learn to keep The Covenant, they all swore at Sinai to keep forever, how can there be anything but peace? JAH

All I know is there is a connection and as to the truth please help....


NOW HERE IS SOMETHING INTERESTING ON MI5's PART TO PLAY IN MY COUNTRY http://www.robertamsterdam.com/mi5.gif

taken from http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/mi5.northernireland.orangeorder.freemasonry.html

MI5's dangerous ascendancy in Northern Ireland: Refused to reveal Orange Order and Freemason membership among staff

Newshound - Ireland
http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/Sunday_Tribune/ arts2006/nov26_MI5s_dangerous_ascendancy__SBreen.php

MI5's dangerous ascendancy in North

November 28, 2006

(by Suzanne Breen, Sunday Tribune)

Officially, it doesn't exist. It's 10,000 square feet, boasts a massive underground section, and could cost up to £100 million but MI5 won't even admit it's building a new headquarters beside Palace Barracks, Holywood, a few miles outside Belfast.

For nationalists, such expansion is hardly a sign the British are leaving the North. But there are other reasons to worry. All the gains of recent years, in terms of accountability and transparency regarding policing, are in jeopardy.

Next year, MI5 will take over intelligence-gathering from the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI). The SDLP and Sinn Féin are challenging this move in the ongoing post-St Andrews negotiations, but no-one believes the British will reverse it.

The darkest, most undemocratic forces in the state are in the ascendancy. "Allowing MI5 to have a lead role in intelligence is like appointing Herod as children's commissioner," says SDLP leader, Mark Durkan.

Paul O'Connor of the Pat Finucane Centre in Derry is equally disturbed: "MI5 was aware Pat Finucane was to be murdered but didn't intervene. MI5 allowed the 1998 Omagh bombing to proceed, it destroyed covert recordings in shoot-to-kill cases, it ran agents involved in multiple murders.

"The Bloody Sunday tribunal, the commission of inquiry into the Dublin, Monaghan and Dundalk bombings, and the Stevens and Stalker investigations, all faced major difficulties when requiring co-operation from MI5.

"MI5 officers have been involved in interrogations at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and in Guantanamo Bay. It's unbelievable that an increased role is being planned for such people."

Sinn Féin says: "We reject any role for MI5 in Ireland or in civic policing. We want to see democratically accountable civic policing and we will continue to work until we achieve this."

MI5's hands are steeped in blood. In his 2003 report, Sir John Stevens concluded that British agent, Brian Nelson, colluded with the UDA in 15 murders and played a role in 14 attempted killings and 62 murder conspiracies. He provided UDA gunmen with the names of Catholics who had no IRA connections.

According to former British intelligence officer, Martin Ingram, MI5 was also aware of Nelson's links with Lebanese and South African gun-runners. Nelson would meet MI5 representatives in London before flying to Johannesburg to meet arms' dealers. His weapons helped the UDA and UVF intensify their violence in the run-up to 1994, increasing pressure on the IRA to call a ceasefire, MI5's prized objective.

Unlike republican and loyalist paramilitaries, MI5 has never admitted, let alone apologised, for any wrong-doing during the conflict. "An organisation which can't account for what it did in the past, should have no role in the future," says Durkan.

By giving MI5 primacy in intelligence-gathering, the British are ensuring that those making the crucial security decisions in the North escape the transparency and equality requirements which apply to the PSNI.

The practice of 50-50 Catholic-Protestant recruitment has increased Catholic representation in the PSNI to over 20%; it will be over 30% by 2010. Not only has MI5 no 50:50 recruitment policy, it won't even reveal the religious break-down of its existing workforce.

It won't say what arrangements are in place for monitoring Orange Order or Freemason membership among staff. Director-general, Dame Eliza Manningham Buller, is the only senior MI5 figure whose identity is publicly known. The names of MI5's head in the North, and other senior figures, remain secret.

Sources say that, as part of its expansion in the North – the new HQs can house up to 400 people – MI5 is recruiting ex-RUC Special Branch officers, who left the PSNI because of their opposition to reform.

The PSNI is subject to rigorous and robust accountability. Chief Constable, Sir Hugh Orde, is answerable to the Policing Board, made up of local politicians and independent figures. The PSNI is also subject to investigation by Police Ombudsman, Nuala O'Loan, who has the power to arrest and question officers, and seize documents.

O'Loan has no remit over MI5. Complaints about MI5 can be made to an 'investigatory powers tribunal'. It's a whitewash: of 380 complaints made from 2000-2004, not one was upheld.

MI5 runs rings around the parliamentary intelligence and security committee which is meant to oversee it, and has escaped with lies about events before the 7/7 London bombings.

MI5's role in the Omagh bomb was equally murky. FBI and MI5 agent, Dave Rupert, who infiltrated the Real IRA, told his handlers that dissident republicans were planning to bomb Omagh or Derry. MI5 never passed this information onto the RUC. The families only learnt about it eight years after the atrocity in which 29 people were killed.

Had police known Omagh was a dissident target, they might have responded more efficiently to the August 15 bomb warnings, the families believe. They have sought a meeting with Dame Eliza to find out why MI5 withheld the information. She has so far refused to meet them. They also wrote to British Home Secretary, John Reid, who is responsible for MI5. The Home Office 'lost' the letter.

Michael Gallagher, whose son Aidan was killed in the bomb, says: "We've been trying to meet Dame Eliza since March. We have met prime ministers and taoisigh but this woman is so powerful, we have no access to her."

Nearly a fifth of MI5's £1.3 billion annual budget is spent on the North. Its website material suggests tackling loyalist violence is hardly a top priority. Loyalist vigilante groups were "originally formed in the 1960s and 70s to defend their neighbourhoods against republican violence", MI5 says. This version of history is completely at odds with the Malvern Street shootings, the burning of Bombay Street, and the murder of countless Catholics.

Top priority is given to dissident republicans who "present a serious threat to British interests" and "aspire to attack targets in Britain". MI5 details dissident republican attacks in which no-one has died but fails to mention numerous loyalist murders, including that of Catholic teenager, Michael McIlveen, in Ballymena in May.

The switch from PSNI to MI5 primacy in intelligence-gathering in the North is linked to the 2002 Castlereagh break-in. After the Provos stole files from PSNI headquarters, the British government asked former Northern Ireland Office permanent secretary, Sir John Chilcott, to conduct a review.

His report, which has never been published, is understood to have recommended MI5's new, expanded role. As the Castlereagh break-in ultimately benefited MI5, conspiracy theorists wonder if it could have been planned or suggested by British agents within IRA ranks.

The Sunday Tribune has been told the PSNI will continue to run loyalist paramilitary agents, but that MI5 is anxious to maintain control of republican operatives.

Annexe E of the St Andrews Agreement says MI5 will "continue to run directly a small number of agents who are authorised to obtain information in the interests of national security as distinct from countering criminality".

It is understood this includes agents of political influence, as Denis Donaldson was, within Sinn Féin. This would save blushes all round, if agents were unmasked after Sinn Féin signs up to policing. If the agents were PSNI-run, Sinn Féin representatives on the Policing Board would look silly. If they were controlled by MI5, Sinn Féin could shrug its shoulders.

PSNI Assistant Chief Constable, Peter Sheridan, has developed five principles to increase MI5 accountability and intelligence-sharing. Nuala O'Loan is in discussions with the organisation over her office's access to it. But history suggests that, whatever mechanisms are created, MI5 will just work around them.

________________

This article appeared in the November 28, 2006 edition of the Sunday Tribune.

PLEASE ALSO HAVE A LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT FLAGS AND WHAT THEY REPRESENT

AT THIS LINK: http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/symbols/flags.htm

NOW WHY DO THEY MARCH ON THE 12TH OF JULY AND NOT THE DATE THEY WERE FOUNDED.....IS THIS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT??

Taken from: http://www.scoreboard-canada.com/babylon-orangeorder.htm

Orange Order link to Israeli Lebanon July 12 War
(Scoreboard Canada contributor posted July 11th, 2007)

The July 12 anniversary date of the start of the Israeli invasion or blitzkrieg into southern
Lebanon is rapidly approaching. The accepted date for the start of hostilities was July 12, 2006. The ostensible reason was the kidnapping by Hezbollah of a small number of Israeli soldiers. The alleged reason for the kidnapping was to exchanged them for captured militants held in Zionist prisons. According to the Hezbollah leadership, the massive Israeli response was completely unexpected.

However, the tell-tale signature of the occult is present everywhere one looks into this conflict and the date of the attack and real reason for the war remain unknown - until now. First, July 12 is considered to be the "birthday" of the Illuminati Orange Order. The Orange Order essentially began in Holland and has extensive freemasonic links, background and rituals.

The Dutch began the opium trade in China. They introduced the smoking of opium using pipes
to the Chinese. Opium later became the worst social scourge the Chinese nation had ever seen in thousands of years of their history.

Second, The Bekaa valley of Lebanon, precisely the region where the conflict took place is a
major growing area for the production of opium and heroin as well as marijuana converted to
hashish. It is under the control of the Baath Party of Syria ultimately. It provides the regime of
Bashir Assad and prior to that his father Hafez Assad with independent funding without which
the decrepit Syrian economy and their hold on power would collapse. Also, it is the only major
opium growing area in the world not under the control of forces linked with the CIA. The others
being Mexico, Burma, Afghanistan and now Colombia. If the NWO or New World Order can
control the Bekaa valley, an opium monopoly would be created; control over Lebanon and then
Syria would be assured; Iran would be isolated and would have its largest-in-the-world opium
addict population beholden to the Illuminati and at their service. This internal "army" could
then be used as a resource to topple the ayatollahs and establish complete hegemony over the
middle east and its oil fields assuring control over the global energy supply. China could be
controlled since it is dependent on foreign oil imports and Russia could have its economy
collapsed by having the price of oil artificially manipulated downwards.

Finally, by controlling Lebanon, in particular, southern Lebanon, control over the 33rd parallel
would be completely in the hands of the Masonic forces. This would include the huge temple
complex in Baalbek and ultimately Damascus the oldest continuously inhabited city on Earth.

The war deaths as well as future murders and executions could serve as human sacrifices for
psychic energy on the 33rd parallel as is currently the case in Baghdad and on US death rows.
The ultimate reason for the war is to cause death. Heroin is death and the human sacrifices to
follow generate energy to feed evil beyond-third-dimension entities that in exchange will offer
the Black Lodge, the Masonic Order known as the NWO its ultimate goal - world domination.

The power number of the Freemason is of course - 33 as in the 33rd Degree - more .

Brief Background Evidence Regarding 2006 Hostilities in Lebanon:

1. War began on July 12: more / more .

2. Hezbollah was not expecting the response by Israel to the kidnapping of a few soldiers. more / more.

33rd Parallel and 33 Numerology links to the war - coincidence or conspiracy ?

3. The conflict in fact is known as "The 33 day war" more / more .

4. According to one article 33 Israeli troops were "sacrificed" for a photo op taking the town of
Bint Jabeil on the banks of the Litani River. more

5. Hezbollah used 333 millimeter missiles and rockets: The Ra'ad Rocket: more .

6. The total number of rockets and missiles to hit Israel during the conflict was listed as 3333. more .

7. Mt. Carmel , a biblical holy site and Beirut itself are on the 33rd Parallel. more.
In fact, the entire war took place within the confines of the 33rd parallel almost to the last bomb.

The Orange Order and links to Freemasonry and the Illuminati:

8. The Orange Order is linked closely to Freemasonry: more / more .

9. Recently , Police Officers have been barred from joining the Orange Order over ethical
concerns. more

10. The Orange Order gets its name from the Dutch royal House of Orange which established
protestant rule over England in the Battle of the Boyne on July 12,1690. The following link
provides mainstream media 'verification' that the Orange Order is Masonic and tied heavily to
the Ulster Unionist movement in Northern Ireland that wishes to keep the six northern
counties of Ireland as part of the UK. more .

11. The Ulster Unionists often times fly the Israeli flag in their dispute over the land with the
IRA linked Catholic nationalists in Ireland. scroll down 30% more / "in fact, Northern Ireland is one of the very few parts of Europe where there is a very wide measure of support in the majority community for the State of Israel." scroll down 20% more .

COULD JULY 12 AS THE START OF THE UNEXPECTED WAR REALLY THEREFORE BE A COINCIDENCE OR WAS IT DESIGNED TO FORTIFY SUPPORT AMONG THE UNIONIST FREEMASONS AS A SIGN OF SOLIDARITY?

12. The idea of so-called British Israelism, that the people of the UK and their royalty are in
fact descendants of the ten lost tribes of Israel which went into exile after the Assyrians overran
the northern Jewish kingdom, is widespread in the UK in particular in Northern Ireland. THE OFFICIAL FLAG OF ULSTER HAS A SIX POINTED STAR AS WELL. more .

13. The Unionists and the Orange Order are heavily imbued with the philosophy of British
Israelism . more / more .

14. At a minimum, the Mossad was using the July 12 start date of the war as a means to curry
favor in the one small, yet powerful group in Europe that was on its side - the freemasons and in particular the unionist Orange Order. more

15. The Dutch House of Orange was the initiator in the global scourge known as the opium trade. Tobacco pipes were used to spread House of Orange propaganda. more
The House of Orange Dutchmen used tobacco pipes to introduce opium to the Chinese masses. more

16. Holland based Jews were extensively involved in the setting up of the Dutch opium trade.
Holland was historically one of the few places which was tolerant of Jews in Europe and Turkey
under the Ottoman sultans had given large numbers of Jews refuge after they left Spain in 1492 after the Catholic Spaniards re-conquered their land from the Muslims after 700 years of battle.

Turkey was until recently a major producer of the opium poppy as is well known. However, the real powerhouse in the opium trade was to become the British - Indian Sassoon family that at present has intermingled with the Rothschild clan. A raid by the Chinese on a Sassoon opium warehouse led to the start of the so-called 'opium wars'. The Sassoons were / are Jews and the trade in British - Chinese opium deals was handled exclusively by Jews. more
Rothschild intermingling with Sassoon = Aline Caroline de Rothschild, Lady Sassoon. more

17. Obviously, a theory - proposed by this writer - is that the Lebanon-Israel war of July 12,
2006 was a new 'opium war' to wrest control of the Baathist controlled opium growing Bekaa
valley by the Zionists with their British royal - House of Orange descended allies in the UK.

See: Bekaa Valley Opium / Syria Baath Party = more .

ADDITIONAL OCCULT LINKS TO THE ORANGE ORDER EXPOSED:

18. The Orange Order has just created a new Masonic symbol. more

19. As noted in this previous link, the primary symbol of the OO was a Purple Star. Oddly
enough, Chinese astrology is based on a so-called purple star system.
See old symbol of OO - more see China purple star astrology = more .

20. The Chinese purple star system is based around the so-called Pole Star. scroll to bottom - more .

21. The Pole Star in the heavens currently is Polaris. This star figures in Masonic ritual magic.
It is the symbol of the peoples of the northern hemisphere or the Aryan race. scroll down 50% more. There is allegedly a Masonic ritual of Polaris which is used to place enemies of the lodge in a form of hit list. scroll down 25% more/ Further the constellation Draco or the Dragon coils around Polaris , the north star. more Dragons of course have enormous symbolic importance in both Chinese and western occultism.

22. The Polaris star is central to the nazi ideology and their so-called Arktos myth. In fact , it
forms the astrological basis for their symbol - the Swastika. more

CONCLUSION:

Beyond the standard reasons given for the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah within the
confines of the 33rd parrallel in Lebanon there were two other secret reasons.

1. To control the opium trade in the Bekaa valley of Lebanon leading to NWO hegemony and
monopoly over the world's heroin supply.

2. To further bring territory located along the 33rd Parallel, the Masonic line of power and the
'best' location to perform ritual human sacrifices to disencarnate transdimensional entities in
exchange for worldly power, under NWO control. If one looks at a map - the NWO takeover of
Lebanon and then Syria would leave only Iran and China as locations intersected by the 33rd
parallel outside of direct control by the Black Lodge known as the NWO. They will be next.


PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT ONE HAPPENS IN OUR COUNTRY ON A YRLY BASIS, IT NEEDS TO STOP - READ THE BITTERNESS IN THE COMMENTS FROM BOTH SIDES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNcPB-3LQbo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC3Q8UI_Ckg

macneil
07-09-2009, 05:15 PM
So the majority believe it is a struggle between Catholics and Protestants. Protestants being the decendants of English Invaders who conquered Ireland.

When in fact... the whole shitfest is based on British Israelism started in 585BC and not 1690 or 1920. And this fact is kept secret amogst the Orange & Black Orders founded by FREEMASONS.

They are protecting a promised Holyland and will never give this up...and will justify it to the SHEEP as IRA terrorism.

As i typed this it has also came into my head about some of the streetnames in Belfast known as the Holylands.

Palestine Steet... Jerusalem Street... Cairo Street... India Street etc.

Please look at the images of the aftermath of the Omagh bomb that MI5 knew was going to happen.

The first picture was taken from a camera found in the rubble. The car with reg MDZ contained the explosives that MI5 knew about. The second picture is the aftermath.


http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/images/omagh_imminent.jpg from this to this http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_02/omagh2DM0804_468x283.jpg


Astonishingly 45 people have viewed this thread so far and not commented.

decim
07-09-2009, 05:55 PM
Welcome to the madhouse.

An interesting & informative first post, maybe one of the masons here would be able to shed some light on this/these subjects.

skyver
07-09-2009, 05:55 PM
You have certainly done your research! I think you are onto something & I'm glad you have posted this up as it shows how deep this conspiracy goes & to think this is but one aspect of it. When people talk about America having a secret government etc what they fail to realise is that it is strongly starting to look as if it has been here a lot longer than America. I'm tired & I admit that I glossed over your text as there is a lot. I'm gonna have a strong coffee & re-read it in detail because as I said , this ties up with other countries who went (are still)through strife at the hands of a sinister power. I admit I don't know much about the history of Ireland & that is why at this stage i don't want to to post my comments as they are constantly changing!

One thing that pricked my ears yrs ago was when 911 happened & I swear, the next day (or was it later the same day?) The IRA said they were stepping down terrorist activities. People put this down to the IRA being worried that they would lose support from american supporters but I thought it was more a case of powerful people who control things right at the top signaling that it has now moved into the age of the "war on terror" new enemy- muslims. And this was when I started lookng into things

Nice on for the text though as it brings a much needed look at things from another angle which will ultimately be a piece of the puzzle.

white horse
07-09-2009, 09:58 PM
Welcome to DI and awesome effort on your first post!

I feel your pain - as soon as you can 'see' these things, you don't need them pointing out to you anymore. This is why 'truthers' will always always say "do your own research" - because if you look into your own topics with a little bit of knowledge about Mason, fascism, teh Global Elite, you will find the fingerprints of these hidden hands EVERYWHERE!! Once you start looking, it turns into an avalanche.

I have not read all your post - but from what I have read I sympathise with my own historical studies. This stuff I thought I knw, then I look at it again and - whoa!!! what's all this! I never noticed these symbols before, I did not realise this person knew that person, or this person travelled her or there...

Tis a deep deep rabbit hole; the only people who deny the rabbit hole are those who have not looked. Look and you shall see...

Well done, is a worthy post, well researched. An instant credit!

willys girl
07-09-2009, 11:24 PM
Just wanted to say thank you.It will take me days to read and fully understand your post but I will.

nihil
08-09-2009, 02:46 AM
Threads like this make me wonder what will be the world without lodges and similar closed groups...

macneil
08-09-2009, 03:01 AM
Welcome to the madhouse.

An interesting & informative first post, maybe one of the masons here would be able to shed some light on this/these subjects.

Thank you for the welcome decim... I would also like to hear some views from masonic members.

I'm glad you have posted this up as it shows how deep this conspiracy goes & to think this is but one aspect of it.
I'm tired & I admit that I glossed over your text as there is a lot.

One thing that pricked my ears yrs ago was when 911 happened & I swear, the next day (or was it later the same day?) The IRA said they were stepping down terrorist activities. People put this down to the IRA being worried that they would lose support from american supporters but I thought it was more a case of powerful people who control things right at the top signaling that it has now moved into the age of the "war on terror" new enemy- muslims. And this was when I started lookng into things



Thanks for your comments Skyver, I rember this declaration too and thinking about the timing... I also thought that they didn't want to be seen in the same light as muslims. Perhaps there were other factors.

Welcome to DI and awesome effort on your first post!

I feel your pain - as soon as you can 'see' these things, you don't need them pointing out to you anymore.
Once you start looking, it turns into an avalanche.

I have not read all your post - but from what I have read I sympathise with my own historical studies.

Well done, is a worthy post, well researched. An instant credit!

Thanks for the Welcome and comments White Horse, it seems I am learning about new things and other icons every day ;) I will be looking for more, thank you.

Just wanted to say thank you.It will take me days to read and fully understand your post but I will.

Thank you for reading willy gurl. I am guessing from your name and comment you have a link to Northern Ireland. I hope "William" has the same perspective. It's not a conclusion just the various things I've found that fit together, but it's hard not to come to conclusions due to where they point...please comment again after you read more

I wonder that if you are from here do you remember when the RUC were disbanded and the PSNI was formed. Republicans weren't happy about the image of a crown being in their badge and it was changed but not removed, I don't think they realised what was represented by the new badge...

Old RUC bage: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tPORnCEbN3U/SRoDD9t2o4I/AAAAAAAAAIs/XJzLHTTIYrI/s200/ruc+badge.jpg New PSNI badge: http://www.triskelle.eu/images/img_psnibadge.gif Does anyone know the inner star?

People were still annoyed at the tiny Crown being there I don't think they realised that it could also represent a Masonic double square or Star of ISIS

Or the possible Occult imagery... http://wikicompany.org/wiki/images/Nazi2Squares.jpg and Masonic connection http://wikicompany.org/wiki/images/Masonic.jpg ? Star of Isis http://wikicompany.org/wiki/images/8_Pointed_Star_Jewlry.jpg

ironmike
13-09-2009, 05:28 PM
Fantastic post OP ,im suprised it hasnt got more attention.

clozaril
13-09-2009, 05:48 PM
nice work macneil

here is michael tsarion talking about his research into the orange order israel freemasonry black perceptory ancient order of hibenrian etc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiWhEpGEILw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWk5MQzRdJY



also ralph ellis in his book jesus last of the Pharaohs has a chapter about the battle of the boyne freemasonry and new grange he talks how there was not even a battle (no weapons found during excavations) and it was a symbolic handover from one bloodline to the other

sickleblade
14-09-2009, 06:03 PM
Amazing read. Don't really no alot about Irish history and the British involvement so it was interesting. Cheers.

hatshepsut
14-09-2009, 09:32 PM
and thanks so much for going to the trouble. :)

ironmike
16-09-2009, 05:35 PM
Any Masons wish to add to the thread? The OP has clearly made a big effort , surley he deserves some answers.?

grandsecretary
16-09-2009, 05:59 PM
If it would assist in getting the debate about the influence of Freemasonry and the Orange Order in Ireland going: the Moderns form of freemasonry was and is generally Protestant and English, whilst the Grand Lodge of All England was ostensibly Celtic (Culdee) Christian/moving to Catholic and Jacobite.

The Catholic and Jacobite form of Free Masonrie was quashed in 1813 with the formation of the United Grand Lodge of England.

That is why freemasonry in Ireland today, North and South is overwhelmingly Protestant.

Please see:Masonic Beliefs and Practices, post #1256 for a full explanation.

And I agree. A great deal of effort. Thank you.

macneil
17-09-2009, 03:05 AM
I'm a little lost for words grandsecretary to your comment and I'm hand on heart not trying to be rude, it was neutral and that's fair enough...

I didn't really post for debate but I did ask for comments and I appreciate yours... Yes Freemasons in Ireland are mainly protestant and yes they have influence over the orange and black orders.

If the latter is an issue for debate then I guess it depends on your location/lack of internet.

Thanks to anyone else who's read or commented. I've been checking out Michael Tsarion clozairl thanks, I never knew of him until last week...i was glad to see other people seeing the same thing with a lot more knowledge than me...

grandsecretary
17-09-2009, 03:29 PM
It was simply a statement of fact macneil. I don't know why you would wish to be rude?

The point being that the Hanoverian takeover of Freemasonry in 1813 was a Protestant political act designed to extend Hanoverian control and influence over every facet of society and in effort to silence, criminalise and eradicate Jacobite Catholic opinion.

By way of background, my family is Irish. When I die I will be interred with my grandfather, John Patrick O'Brien, in our family vault which is in Hero's Corner in Glasneven Cemetry alongside the resting places of Daniel O'Connell, Charles Stewart Parnell, and many others. John Redmond was best man at my grandfather's wedding to Margaret Mary Pearse, my grandmother.

My family name, Clatworthy, is very well known in Armagh where we had very strong links with the Abbey and its surrounding lands and properties.

The latest "troubles" were just an extension of a very old and continuing power struggle.

macneil
17-09-2009, 03:50 PM
I didn't wish to be rude grandsecretary nor want you to think I was being so. I wasn't questioning your personal background and I respect anyones heritage.

And I totally agree 100% it was a statement of fact.

grandsecretary
17-09-2009, 04:38 PM
Fair enough, I just couldn't think why you would want to be. That's all. And you haven't been.

Go raibh maith agat.

spock
19-09-2009, 08:04 PM
Great thread Mac. Quality peice of work.

grandsecretary
20-09-2009, 01:13 AM
I am very concerned about the current situation with the "Continuity IRA". I truly believe that it is about to kick off again.

zero1
20-09-2009, 01:42 AM
So now you see that Ulstermen are NOT gentiles but Israelites descended from Judah who was Jacob/Israel's fourth son. As further proof of their identity the word British is not English but Hebrew in origin and means "the People of The Covenant" or in other words "the People of Israel" and the Union Jack is called the Union Jack because it is the flag of the "Union of Jack-ob Israel" - the British-Israel People of The Covenant that is buried inside The Ark of The Covenant, on the Hill of Tara, in Co Meath, that I want all Ulstermen to help recover from Teia Tephi's tomb on the Hill of The Torah (Tara), to bring permanent peace to Ulster and Ireland, in fulfillment of His Prophecy (in the "Book of Tephi Queen of Tara and Gibraltar"), to His People in Ulster and Ireland. (Please read my booklet "Navan Fort, ancient seat of kings")

The people of Southern Ireland are not gentiles either, as they have been wrongly taught by the Vatican, who wanted them all to be catholics, but are also Israelites, descended from Judah's brother Dan, the fifth of Jacob/Israel's sons (Genesis 30:6), and were known as the Tuatha de Danaan - the Tribe of Dan.

When all the people of Ireland realise and accept their Israelite roots and reject both of the false religions that pass under and abuse Christ's name and true teachings and learn to keep The Covenant, they all swore at Sinai to keep forever, how can there be anything but peace? JAH

All I know is there is a connection and as to the truth please help....


You seem to have done well enough, so far.

What do you need help connecting?

And what makes you think the Ark is still @ the Hill of Tara? They're building a freeway over that, you know.

macneil
20-09-2009, 10:51 PM
You seem to have done well enough, so far.

What do you need help connecting?

And what makes you think the Ark is still @ the Hill of Tara? They're building a freeway over that, you know.

It’s all new to me...

I found the passage about Tara when I was looking for information the Ulster flag. http://www.jahtruth.co.uk/uflag.htm

Try some searches on British Excavation Tara...

I’ve started to look into it tho and I’ve found that Tara has had a lot of interest from British Israelites. Described as discrete and weird, excavations were carried out in the early 1900’s by the same who were convinced the ark was buried there and who also believe that Irish are the lost tribe. I’ve read that one of the archeoligists R.A.S Macalister was also a Freemason and wrote in his book

Tara: A Pagan Sanctuary of Ancient Ireland (1931), dismissed the British-Israelite theory as "so utterly removed from normal sanity, that piety rather than ridicule should be accorded to those who have been infected with it". On the surface the incident offers yet another tussle between the Irish and the English. Yet there are stranger aspects involved. "The concept of Tara as the centre of a spiritual, religious or cultural conquest of the world is a recurring theme in British-Israelite literature. As Tara was regarded by them as an ancient royal site in the British Empire, the deposition of the Ark there would be evidence that Tara was indeed the spiritual birthplace of the Anglo-Saxon nation."

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/71184

The Discovery Channel carried another excavation in 1997. They opened up 2 sites from a previous excavation in the 50’s that ended when the archaeologist fell ill and died...described as untimely and with missing archives.

Excavation was carried out at Tara, County Meath during 1997 as part of the Discovery Programme's research projects. The objective of the excavation was to re-open two cuttings across the northern side of the large enclosure called Rath na Ríogh. This earthwork encompasses the summit of the hill and is defined by a ditch and external bank. The cuttings were excavated by Professor Sean P. Ó. Ríordáin between 1952 and 1955. Due to his untimely death the results of the excavation were never published and unfortunately only a portion of the archive survives.

Helen Roche - Director – Tara Project, The Discovery Programme

Tuatha De Dannen (People of Dannen) have also been associated with Tara.

I’m just looking into this side now but it’s adding more weight to the association of Zionism and also its association with the Masonic, Orange and Black Orders.

With the Battle of the Boyne, the museum say they have some 200 musket balls yet others have stated that nothing has ever been found at the Boyne site? Others saying it was a symbolic handing over between 2 bloodlines...

zero1
20-09-2009, 11:09 PM
It’s all new to me...

I found the passage about Tara when I was looking for information the Ulster flag. http://www.jahtruth.co.uk/uflag.htm

Try some searches on British Excavation Tara...

I’ve started to look into it tho and I’ve found that Tara has had a lot of interest from British Israelites. Described as discrete and weird, excavations were carried out in the early 1900’s by the same who were convinced the ark was buried there and who also believe that Irish are the lost tribe. I’ve read that one of the archeoligists R.A.S Macalister was also a Freemason and wrote in his book

Tara: A Pagan Sanctuary of Ancient Ireland (1931), dismissed the British-Israelite theory as "so utterly removed from normal sanity, that piety rather than ridicule should be accorded to those who have been infected with it". On the surface the incident offers yet another tussle between the Irish and the English. Yet there are stranger aspects involved. "The concept of Tara as the centre of a spiritual, religious or cultural conquest of the world is a recurring theme in British-Israelite literature. As Tara was regarded by them as an ancient royal site in the British Empire, the deposition of the Ark there would be evidence that Tara was indeed the spiritual birthplace of the Anglo-Saxon nation."

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/71184

The Discovery Channel carried another excavation in 1997. They opened up 2 sites from a previous excavation in the 50’s that ended when the archaeologist fell ill and died...described as untimely and with missing archives.

Excavation was carried out at Tara, County Meath during 1997 as part of the Discovery Programme's research projects. The objective of the excavation was to re-open two cuttings across the northern side of the large enclosure called Rath na Ríogh. This earthwork encompasses the summit of the hill and is defined by a ditch and external bank. The cuttings were excavated by Professor Sean P. Ó. Ríordáin between 1952 and 1955. Due to his untimely death the results of the excavation were never published and unfortunately only a portion of the archive survives.

Helen Roche - Director – Tara Project, The Discovery Programme

Tuatha De Dannen (People of Dannen) have also been associated with Tara.

I’m just looking into this side now but it’s adding more weight to the association of Zionism and also its association with the Masonic, Orange and Black Orders.

Yes, well, good luck with that.

Good thread. :)

zero1
20-09-2009, 11:46 PM
It's important to remember that there are two Biblical Covenants; the Old one and the New one.

The Protestants of Masonry, Orange Order and the Black Lodge identify with the old one whilst pretending to embrace the new one. The Jews of Judaism and modern Israel, of course, reject the New Testament and the Covenant of Jesus Christ; as do the Protestant of these cults by default, since in secret they really think of themselvs as descendents of Jews, and the Israelites as their direct ancestors.

This is, however, also why they (Protestants) are not real Christians; they are only fake, pretend Christians.

The New Convenant, for the true Christian believer, supercedes and replaces the Old one; the Laws of Moses no longer apply, and the old plea-bargain with G-d is replaced by a new deal with the one true God; Jesus Christ. This is what a Christian should believe, if he/she is a true Christian.

The Protestants of the North (of Ireland) who direct sectarianism and hate the Catholics, like much of Lutheranism elsewhere, do so because they secretly identify with the Old Covenant and desire to be considered Jews; this is a denial of Jesus Christ since it implies Christ did not fulfil all of the Old Testament prophecies regarding the coming of the Messiah, and therefore was not the true Saviour.

The New Covenant of Jesus Christ established by his sacrifice redeemed all mankind, including the Tribes of Israel; and therefore including the Tribe of Dan, from which the Biblical belief is that the Serpent Seed will be passed through the Tribe of Dan (the seed of Satan, supposedly, which G-d put enmity between it and the Woman). St. Patrick cast the snakes out of Ireland and the Blessed Virgin Mary stomped on the Serpent crushing it with her heel; etc, these being symbols of the redemption of that Tribe (of Dan).

By secretly and covertly embracing only the Old Convenant, whilst disdaining but playing lip service to the New, the Orange Protestants and Masons of Northern Ireland harbour an irrational and un-Christian (not to mention un-Biblical) belief that the 'fenians', ie. the indigenous peoples of Ireland (the Tribe of Dan, descendent of the Tuatha de Danann settlers from the East) are somehow the Devils children, carrying the Serpent Seed of Satan, and thus must be hated and persecuted, opressed and reviled and subject to the will of the British, with whom they identify as Jews through the doctrine of British-Israelism. This is why they are Unionists (with Britain), and despise the Irish / Fenians; they think they are true Jewish descedents of Biblical origin fighting to keep the devils children either under their thumb (in the North) or at bay (in the South), all in preparation for apocalyptic war and Judgement.

The Catholic Church in Rome and the Papacy are regarded by them as the Seat of Satan, because it is heir to the Babylonian Mysteries (amongst other things), and the strong Irish ties to Mother Church, though eroded by secularism in modern day to some extent, remain to this very day. But the Catholics only see continuity between the promises of God in the OT and the promises made in the NT; the Protestants see only what they want to see.

The point made to these Orangemen and their Masonic masters should be; if you believe in Jesus Christ, then Dan's tribe (the Irish) are redeemed as all the others are, and the New Covenant has no place for the enmity between the Serpent (Dragon) seed of Bablyon and the Old Testament and the Woman. The meaning of this is discernable if your have eyes to see and ears to hear; however, I will not explain it in detail here, as that is not necessary.

Best of luck with your research, Macneil. Don't let it lead you to a dark, hateful place; none of this shit is worth it, believe me. ;)

zero1
21-09-2009, 12:13 AM
This is, however, also why they (Protestants) are not real Christians; they are only fake, pretend Christians.

My glittering generalization here does not represent the fact that there are some ordinary Protestants who would be appalled at the secret beliefs of their Masonic Orange Order & Black Lodge 'brethren'. There are good ordinary Protestants who genuinely believe in Jesus and the New Convenant of course; and not all of them hate Catholics, no matter how much directed to do so by their deceitful, secretive masters in the Orange Order.

macneil
21-09-2009, 12:14 AM
I had to read that a few times Zero1 but I got there. Thank you for the comment and for melting my head even more. Apparently, I know very little...

I follow what you are saying and I've heard the St Patrick and snake association but not as descript. Thanks...

zero1
21-09-2009, 12:35 AM
I had to read that a few times Zero1 but I got there. Thank you for the comment and for melting my head even more. Apparently, I know very little...

I follow what you are saying and I've heard the St Patrick and snake association but not as descript. Thanks...

No problem.

You and I can talk about this here on the forum and its an intellecutal exercise; we are attempting to solve a mystery and arrive at reasonably truthful and concise conclusions.

But for the Orangeman or the Mason, their beliefs are a way of life. They have gone deep from the start; and the fruits of that seed were hate, war and division in the North of Ireland.

But as individuals we must be better, we must be above this.

I'm just thankful I am part of no cult or organization, just a nominally Catholic person researching and doing his best to try and understand his country, his religion and the world.

Once again, Macneil, appreciate the correspondence and good luck with future research.

best,

Z1

grandsecretary
21-09-2009, 01:37 PM
May I please recommend Robert Kee's series of books on the history of Ireland called "The Green Flag".

Kee is a fantastic journalist and historian. The Green Flag is very good indeed and written by an independent observer.

ginger_wizard
22-09-2009, 12:32 AM
Hi folks,
for an insight into the scale of the protagonistic role played by British forces in forcing the continuation of the troubles during the modern era please have a read of this book - advert - http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewwork.asp?id=10736
Iv only skirted the issue of late and haven't had the time to thoroughly research it but have it on very good authority that the nemesis file actually does exist (well definitely did...).
The very basis of the story is sickening but shows how those in power will destroy and manipulate innocent people and their families to advance their own ends whilst lying through their teeth to the masses and perpetuating ill will and evil via the mainstream media. Its a matter close to my heart, I spent my first 19 years growing up in Belfast until I moved to Britain 17 years ago, so Im struggling to not become emotive on the subject.
I hope it may be of some help with your research.

Good Luck!

jakemaverick
11-03-2010, 12:00 AM
damn, long post....made it abt half way through....i'll try to read the rest tomorrow! nice work- thank you!

lightgiver
11-03-2010, 12:30 AM
I am surprised no one has blown the masons and co up yet.:confused:

macneil
11-03-2010, 01:09 AM
damn, long post....made it abt half way through....i'll try to read the rest tomorrow! nice work- thank you!

Wasn't expecting the bump lol, but seeing as how you did...

http://www.irishhistorylinks.net/pages/Troubles_Images/BoyProtester.jpg http://www.davidrose.co.uk/images/drum2.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayXcfps1MUAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayXcfps1MUA

macneil
11-03-2010, 01:14 AM
I am surprised no one has blown the masons and co up yet.:confused:

the game is to blow each other up instead :confused:

lightgiver
11-03-2010, 01:14 AM
Wasn't expecting the bump lol, but seeing as how you did...

http://www.irishhistorylinks.net/pages/Troubles_Images/BoyProtester.jpg http://www.davidrose.co.uk/images/drum2.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayXcfps1MUAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayXcfps1MUA

I never realised so many children have been killed(murdered),that is sad.:(

You do not see that on the MSM.

the game is to blow each other up instead :confused:

It appears that way.

and the innocents are caught in the crossfire.

macneil
11-03-2010, 01:16 AM
I never realised so many children have been killed,that is sad.:(

You do not see that on the MSM.



It appears that way.

Thats mainly Forces... not including those killed by paramilitaries. :(

lightgiver
11-03-2010, 01:21 AM
Thats mainly Forces... not including those killed by paramilitaries. :(

It is so sad how human beings behave in such a way:( animals behave better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayXcfps1MUA

That video has shocked me TBH.

I for one would not be happy if my son or daughter had been killed by either side,I am sure that is what makes the vicious circle of violence to continue where ever war is going on.

Maybe we should be looking at the arms dealers and co etc etc, a vile trade.

I for one am for a weapon-less world on all sides, military included.

Trouble is to much at stake for that to happen,no matter how much TPTB pap on about it,they are the ones dealing in it.

Hypocrisy at its best.

drmu2012
16-02-2011, 12:30 AM
Hello mate, i just want to thank you for putting up the post and all its connected info.Ill just start by telling you that im a Protestant from Belfast and im totally in agreement with what you have said.I was brought up religious but not a bigot in east belfast and my family stayed well clear of the Masons/orange. After being invited once to an orange lodge my father left early and never went back after seeing with his own eyes an upsidedown pentagram and goats head symbol on the wall.Yes ok! Well, i got out of Belfast when i was 19 and this is the strange bit, now that im looking back.I lived in Holland and Israel.You see, ive been on a mission since then to find out the real truth of Christianity, because i always felt there was something very very wrong with it all, so i indulged hundreds of books and travelled , even writing about its hidden pagan reality that so few want to believe.Ive read many great authors works and i really thought i had it all sussed until i saw the first ulster/israelie flags in Belfast opposing the catholic palestinian flags.I just thought WHAT THE FUCK ! and left inside a week.Researching this and many other cosmic, new age and conspiracy topics, got me on to an author called Michael Tsarion, who is from Belfast but now lectures all round the world.He is the one guy that i know can help you delve into this story more.For Israel is not the beginning of it all, it goes back into Ancient Egypt and a dark cult called Atonism that came to power in the 18th dynasty and nearly destroyed egypt.I apologise if you have already looked into this, but if you have and havnt absorbed what its all about because you were more preoccupied with the shock of the other info, then i suggest you get your head around it now.Because you will never understand the present world without understanding this incredible chapter.I sit here now in a state of realisation having come full circle in my own research, looking back to my time in Holland and Israel and thinking was i somehow on a subconscious pilgrimage, having being genetically pulled to these locations.I know this is mad but there are much madder things in this world.At the same time, im disturbed, for if indeed my people are one of these lost tribes, then i am ancesterly linked to a group that with every good gene in my body i utterly detest and despise.For it is the Israelie zionists and their supporters that are instigating all the misery in the world under the guise of their so-called New world order.I have been awake for many years now but reading your research has made many things click in my head and has lifted me to yet another level of consciousness and over-standing.I always shunned my prod identidy, and always will, i always thought we were very lost, yet ive never felt Irish or scottish either, but i can see now that this lifetime i may have indeed worked off much of my past negative karma by helping others to awaken to similar knowledge.So check out Michael Tsarion, and when you understand the egypt connection, go back into the atlantis connection before even that.Enjoy mate and peace.:eek: