Doubters abound - all of a sudden

[maxuk]

It seems to me, that there are a growing number of poo-poo'ers of so called conspiracy theories - (CT's) , in the forums these days.

I'm not suspicious by nature but I've noticed an increasing amount of doubters popping up.

I know that to take everything at face value and believe everything you read is just asking for trouble, but I've noticed that there seems to be a band of posters (not just on this site but CT sites generally) that appear to have gone to the trouble of registering just to say that 9/11 inside job claims are rubbish etc. - or any other theory for that matter.

Now, it could be a happening for a number of reasons including; CT's are getting a wider audience or perhaps 'the powers that be' are signing up to crap on peoples theories.

Anyway, its sets off my 'spidey sense'.

Max

[kashmirz]

i think everyones noticing it, poeple are worried about us being at each others throats, people concerned about disinfo agents ... slander going around against "ct researches" ... you see the bad way to handle this ... is to go and get stressed, angry , or fearful of it continuing i think that is also .. not the answer i think it just needs to be a conscious decision to let go and get those love light beams out there again :)

people seem to forget

researchers, are just that, they are researching the unknown


i mean i could go on and on, but i think its all very clear to everyone what we should be doing but were just not doing it



much love all :)

[lifeofbrian]

Conspiracy

An agreement between two or more persons to engage jointly in an unlawful or criminal act, or an act that is innocent in itself but becomes unlawful when done by the combination of actors.

Conspiracy is governed by statute in federal courts and most state courts. Before its CODIFICATION in state and federal statutes, the crime of conspiracy was simply an agreement to engage in an unlawful act with the intent to carry out the act. Federal statutes, and many state statutes, now require not only agreement and intent but also the commission of an OVERT ACT in furtherance of the agreement.

Conspiracy is a crime separate from the criminal act for which it is developed. For example, one who conspires with another to commit BURGLARY and in fact commits the burglary can be charged with both conspiracy to commit burglary and burglary.

Conspiracy is an inchoate, or preparatory, crime. It is similar to solicitation in that both crimes are committed by manifesting an intent to engage in a criminal act. It differs from solicitation in that conspiracy requires an agreement between two or more persons, whereas solicitation can be committed by one person alone.

Conspiracy also resembles attempt. However, attempt, like solicitation, can be committed by a single person. On another level, conspiracy requires less than attempt. A conspiracy may exist before a crime is actually attempted, whereas no attempt charge will succeed unless the requisite attempt is made.

The law seeks to punish conspiracy as a substantive crime separate from the intended crime because when two or more persons agree to commit a crime, the potential for criminal activity increases, and as a result, the danger to the public increases. Therefore, the very act of an agreement with criminal intent (along with an overt act, where required) is considered sufficiently dangerous to warrant charging conspiracy as an offense separate from the intended crime.

According to some criminal-law experts, the concept of conspiracy is too elastic, and the allegation of conspiracy is used by prosecutors as a superfluous criminal charge. Many criminal defense lawyers maintain that conspiracy is often expanded beyond reasonable interpretations. In any case, prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys alike agree that conspiracy cases are usually amorphous and complex.

FURTHER READINGS
Kaplan, John, and Robert Weisberg. 1991. Criminal Law: Cases and Materials. 2d ed. Boston: Little, Brown.

Stone, Joseph, and Tim Yohn. 1992. Prime Time and Misdemeanors. New Brunswick, N.J.: Rutgers Univ. Press.

CROSS-REFERENCES
Communism.

Conspiracy - The Elements Of Conspiracy Agreement
Conspiracy - Quiz Show Conspiracies
Conspiracy - Other Considerations
Conspiracy - History Of Conspiracy
Conspiracy - American Honda Conspiracy
Conspiracy - United States V. Mohamed
http://law.jrank.org/pages/5597/Conspiracy.html

Conspiracies have always existed. In war it is called strategy. Born out of fear, paranoia, greed, lust for power, probably bits of everything.

The reason a conspiracy theory is called a theory is because it is in the speculation stage. Doubt is a natural reaction to assuming the worst until there are actual facts, proof, evidence, etc.

Does it bother you some are slower in considering if not outright accepting different points of view/perceptions?

[kashmirz]

well put brian

[joss classey]

if the theories are true then there's nothing to worry about

[graflok]

It seems to me, that there are a growing number of poo-poo'ers of so called conspiracy theories - (CT's) , in the forums these days.

I'm not suspicious by nature but I've noticed an increasing amount of doubters popping up.

I know that to take everything at face value and believe everything you read is just asking for trouble, but I've noticed that there seems to be a band of posters (not just on this site but CT sites generally) that appear to have gone to the trouble of registering just to say that 9/11 inside job claims are rubbish etc. - or any other theory for that matter.

Now, it could be a happening for a number of reasons including; CT's are getting a wider audience or perhaps 'the powers that be' are signing up to crap on peoples theories.

Anyway, its sets off my 'spidey sense'.

Max

Yes, I've perceived the same thing. There also seems to be an increase in
the number of "debunking" type shows on TV (USA cable anyway) recently.

To me, it seems like a backlash to the increase of awareness of these
subjects on various popular sites like YouTube, Digg, etc.

Like they're giving the masses another dose of sleeping powder.

Maybe the public is waking up after all?

[soglad]

I've noticed it too. I don't mind them posting here, as they've just as much free speech as we do. I couldn't care if all the conspiracy theories are wrong, the world is still fucked up and needs to be fixed. :(

[kashmirz]

you know what just hit me, to be honest its really only a statment but..

i wonder what effect the negative energy of this planet has on the rest of the universe ...i mean it is all one.

hmm just a interesting statement, and yaaay mr sun is comming up hehe what a timely moment for me to think of that ahh must have been the light beams :)

much love

[them]

It seems to me, that there are a growing number of poo-poo'ers of so called conspiracy theories - (CT's) , in the forums these days.

I'm not suspicious by nature but I've noticed an increasing amount of doubters popping up.

There should be a conspiracy theorems thread.

I'll start.

http://www.blueharvestfarm.com/bookimages/238a6001.jpg


Crisis: The Inside Story of the Suez Conspiracy. By Terence Robertson.
London: Hutchinson. 1965.
Suez: The Seven Day War. By A. J. Barker.. London: Faber & Faber.
FORsome time now a group of contemporary historians in Britain have
been arguing that the effect of current British policy in the field of public
information is highly detrimental to that public interest which it is designed
to serve; that it does not even serve to protect, as it is supposed to, the role
played by senior figures in the civil and diplomatic services in formulating
policy; that it allows other countries and nationals of other countries to
establish their version of events first, that is, not only their version of their
own course of action but their version of that followed by Britain; and that
it does not prevent the history of British policy being written; it only
prevents it being written fairly, objectively and well.
Mr. Robertson's account of the Suez crisis is an outstandingly good
illustration of this. He has presented a history of British policy which inter
alia implicates the present Ambassador in Washington, Sir Patrick Dean,
in the signature of a secret Anglo-Franco-Israeli treaty on October 24,
1956; shows the late Sir Pierson Dixon, then British representative at the
United Nations and subsequently British Ambassador in Paris, committing
his government to a United Nations resolution, the text of which differed
from that to which agreement had been given, in the knowledge that it
would be presented before he could receive instructions to oppose it;
attributes the idea of disguising prior British knowledge of the Israeli.... ect



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6045808.stm

Programme two explains how Britain plotted with France and Israel to gain back control of the Suez canal...

http://www.geocities.com/yahia_al_shaer/EDEN-DOCS1.htm

What else is there that is proven conspiracy?

http://jcsl.oxfordjournals.org/resource/image/backgrounds/header_jconsl.jpg

[whitenight639]

an awakening is happening and more and more people are joing this forum and alike,

3 stages of truth

Ridicule
Denial
acceptance

[whitenight639]

Conspiracies have always existed. In war it is called strategy. Born out of fear, paranoia, greed, lust for power, probably bits of everything.

The reason a conspiracy theory is called a theory is because it is in the speculation stage. Doubt is a natural reaction to assuming the worst until there are actual facts, proof, evidence, etc.

Does it bother you some are slower in considering if not outright accepting different points of view/perceptions?

it bothers me that some people still call the 911 truthers ''conspiracy theorists'' when there is so much evidence.

[cheeb]

It seems to me, that there are a growing number of poo-poo'ers of so called conspiracy theories - (CT's) , in the forums these days.

I'm not suspicious by nature but I've noticed an increasing amount of doubters popping up.

I know that to take everything at face value and believe everything you read is just asking for trouble, but I've noticed that there seems to be a band of posters (not just on this site but CT sites generally) that appear to have gone to the trouble of registering just to say that 9/11 inside job claims are rubbish etc. - or any other theory for that matter.

Now, it could be a happening for a number of reasons including; CT's are getting a wider audience or perhaps 'the powers that be' are signing up to crap on peoples theories.

Anyway, its sets off my 'spidey sense'.

Max

Surely thats is why most of us are on a "conspiracy" type forum.
Because we have debunked the official story,
Be it 9/11,
Political assasinations,
Bloodlines,
Power bases,
War on Terror,
False flags,
7/7,
etc............
You gotta look at things from all angles,
Make your case, watertight,
Then no one can debunk you,
Show them the facts,proof, evidence,
Then you got nothing to worry about.

You got the ball, and the goalie is off his line!!!
;)

[maxuk]

It bothers me when its so aggresive and rude - there's no need for it in my opinion, from either party.

I don't see it so much in this forum but I'm seeing more and more of this aggressive attacking of opinions around other popular forums.

Perhaps we should call them Alternative theories? Altertanative opinion - new thinking? Something without such a negative spin?

I encourage debate - sometimes, a theory can't move on without it!

Max

[lifeofbrian]

it bothers me that some people still call the 911 truthers ''conspiracy theorists'' when there is so much evidence.

Boy Bush said something about conspiracy theories should not be tolerated blah blah buLLshIT in the wake of it right? Clever move I bet they thought. However, in the process the existence of such theories was announced. Makes you wonder.

I remember being online at the time 2001-09-11, was around 3pm here. What sprung to mind was Icke's words years earlier re: an attack in a major city, cannot recall the exact words.

[whitenight639]

Boy Bush said something about conspiracy theories should not be tolerated blah blah buLLshIT in the wake of it right? Clever move I bet they thought. However, in the process the existence of such theories was announced. Makes you wonder.

I remember being online at the time 2001-09-11, was around 3pm here. What sprung to mind was Icke's words years earlier re: an attack in a major city, cannot recall the exact words.

your lucky to have been awakened before most of us, and most of us i think have found here because of 911 and the ridiculous inaccuracies / lies in the official story.

[i_am]

I remember being online at the time 2001-09-11, was around 3pm here. What sprung to mind was Icke's words years earlier re: an attack in a major city, cannot recall the exact words.

Yeah! I watched it on TV and my first reaction when the tower came down was, "that didn't EXplode, it IMploded!! That only happens when it is a controlled demolition!"

But then I had been aware of the games being played for many years. It is amazing the number of people who are now seeing the truth. I no longer feel the odd one out

[smoking oceanus]

If you think about it, everybody is a conspiracy theorist or at least supports a conspiracy theory in one way or another. For the masses it really depends on who is promoting the conspiracy theory ie: The media/establishement.

Millions of people believe that Islam conspiries to dominate the west. Hundreds of Million's of Christians believe Satan is conspiring to corrupt and enslave mankind, etc etc.

The conspiracy theory field is growing quite rapidly in the sense of acknowledging the NWO, 9/11, Secret Societies and so forth. More people are being exposed to it. Alot of the other forums i go to wether its a music forum or a spiritual forum, someone now and then would bring something up.

[dondaz]

Now, it could be a happening for a number of reasons including; CT's are getting a wider audience or perhaps 'the powers that be' are signing up to crap on peoples theories.

Anyway, its sets off my 'spidey sense'.

Max

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Have fun on the forum!

[lifeofbrian]

There should be a conspiracy theorems thread.

I'll start.

http://www.blueharvestfarm.com/bookimages/238a6001.jpg






http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6045808.stm



http://www.geocities.com/yahia_al_shaer/EDEN-DOCS1.htm

What else is there that is proven conspiracy?

http://jcsl.oxfordjournals.org/resource/image/backgrounds/header_jconsl.jpg



I think we can safely add Watergate to the list of proven conspiracies.

Recommended viewing is "All The President's Men" starring Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman as Woodward and Bernstein.