I just don't know what to do now

[talohomidnight]

I have debated on which site to post this on, afraid that I would just get slammed or booted off.

First I will give a very brief history.

My mother became a member of a religious cult, which I too later followed into her foot steps. Then in 2001, I learned that they were full of them selves and full of bunk, so I left, which ended up causing my relatives who are still involved in that cult to cut me out of their lives.

At that time I did a lot of research, and decided that most of the bibles had been changed over time, and decided that the King James Bible was the best, of what I had to choose from. I had also did research on most of the Christian groups, and decided to go the route of Non-Demotion. For a while every thing was fine. But then my husband and I moved to Arkansas because of work. Here we could not find a church. Our problem was that almost every place all they wanted was money. I even remember at one church the collection plate was passed around 4 times, yes, you heard me correctly 4 times. Or they were promoting some political person. So we just stopped going.

Now this was where things got a little strange for me, was when I actually read the bible from front to back for the first time. I mean actually read it, with out some one else's view on it. I found A LOT of things that just did not fly with me.

In short, I now believe that the Apostle Paul was full of it, and NOT an Apostle. I am trying to figure how his writings even got included in the Scriptures. He was even rejected by all the churches of Asia at that time, so that has got to tell you some thing right there.

I now feel that people who go to church on Saturday or Sunday are actually worshiping some thing else, even they don't know it. That the God of the Old Testament were actually different "gods".

I do still believe that Jesus was who he really said that he was. He did not go to the "churches" of his day. I still believe that he fulfilled the Law. And that he was killed and raised from the dead. I still believe that one day he will return, when I don't know when.

I just threw away my bibles, because, some may call me superstitious, but I now feel that it is just to contaminated by the devil. Please don't say oh your being superstitious, and the devil is not real, but just some thing made up. I have had a few encounters in the past to know that he does.

Now I'm at a loss at what to do next, I feel like I am in limbo so to speak.

[dedicate]

What is a "cult"? Why did you not name the church you were involved with? Why didn't you just say you were involved with such and such church? --

Most likely you are just searching for some truth to existance and being and why things are the way they are. Obviously, the family situation wasn't good for that. Believe it or not, most people who go to Christian Churches or study the Bible are not real seekers of truth. So forget about them. Dont let anybody discourage you or pull you into something you don't like. Be your own person. Keep looking and when you find something that rings true, check it out.

[dhama_initiative]

id like to see the answers to this thread

[merlincove]

Welcome to the threads talohomidnight :D

i don't think you'll get slammed or booted off just yet :rolleyes:

Why, when i'm reading your post do i detect a liverpudlian (liverpool) twang? Quite uncanny that, as i was reading it, i really got the sense of a liverpool accent in my head as the narator? Just had to ask.

i gues when you have had a faith in life, and then a further awakening, as you describe: an enlightenment - if you will - well i guess you are likely to be at a loss as you emerge from that.

when the map of your life, and your journey along that map, suddenly changes because of deep realisations, you can expect to feel 'at a loss as to what to do next.'

i've not read the bible, it is in my list of books to read though. But your faith in Jesus Christ remains, it is just your faith in how mankind portrays divinity that has been shattered. The Church is of man, the bible is of man. Faith exists beyond those aspects, and where the church and bible fail, faith remains to build a foundation to grow upon. IMO.

i think what you have experienced is the realisation of a great truth, that organised religion is a controlling force with hidden and not so hidden agenda's - one of them to control the masses and programe the mind, another is for £ $ gain.

There is a lot about this in the threads here. I'm sure you'll find a lot of information through the search engine.

Your own realisations have shown you that faith is very seperate from the instruments of faith, and i think that you will find, your own realisations will help you tread the path of your journey on a new map toward the deeper and more profound truth that pulses inside of you.

:D

[miracles]

DOnt do anythig take a break. Relax. Enjoy the scenary. Go on a holiday from God.:) He will give you a call when you are ready.

[danceswithbunnies]

talohomidnight, i can totally relate to where you are coming from.
I have had some experiences too.
Christ is very real..

That said, i had a very difficult time trying to discern which church was correct as far as denomination goes, doctrinal position etc, and eventually abandoned the search.

IF you are not born here in the US ( i was) you would not be aware of the incredible manipulation of the christian church that has taken place over the last 50years..in the last 30 years it has gotten fairly prominent and become a genuine political tool, the most prominent churches are now zionist in nature, and are almost a complete sham...US evangelical church has supported and promulgated some of the most heinous actions..and has the Republican brand name all over it.

The new world order owns both poilitical parties but do some of their most damaging work under the republican party.

For now here is a couple of websites to reveal the zionist-evangelical roots:
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000189.htm
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000203.htm

the whole site is informative as far as history of the evangelical movement within government but he has switched the info around..
one thing to note is that people like Tim LaHaye have been responsible for helping to fund death squads in south america...

Evangelical Christianity has supported the building of the Imperial US new world order (one of the reasons i left) and by its actions has made Christ hated worldwide..(The US like it or not is seen as a Christian nation worldwide)

If you make donations to one of these political churches, chances are it is being funneled to support US Imperial terrorism in another country.

I don't agree with alot of what the author below posts on his website "Manifest Sns of Jah" but he has some pertinent info here:
http://www.meguiar.addr.com/unholy_alliance.htm

Another good website exposing some of the players behind the scenes..
http://watch.pair.com/

You don't have to subscribe to any of the doctrine or religious views espoused by the authors, but you can appreciate the research they have done.

That said..i had reached many of the same conclusions you did..
Here are a couple of websites that TO ME are more in line with what i believe Christ taught:
(universal salvation)
http://www.savioroftheworld.net/Writings.htm

(Love for the Creatures God(dess) gave us as companions)
http://www.all-creatures.org/

To me the LOVE is the most important aspect..
Remember this is a spiritual reality that we are trying to extrapolate and words could never adequately describe that..we can only grope with the words.

In closing, if you ever feel yourself attacked psychically, or find yourself in an abduction by aliens, or attacked when you find yourself out of body, definitely call on Christ..

[bsmurph83]

well, my suggestion would be to follow up on your own realisations.

research, research, research!

as you walk your path, 'what to do' will become clearer.

Ian Ross Vayro and Tony Bushby are two authors i'd recommend (but that's just based on my own tastes).

try a google search on the Roman Piso family as well if you like.

or read a few of Icke's books (we are on his site after all haha)...

you'll be alright, you'll see. now that you're a-waking, there's no goin' back. :)

PS - for a slightly different angle, you could look at NDE research. there's a handy ebook called Nothing Better Than Death written by a former fundamentalist Christian, which is quite worthy. He devotes about 90 odd pages to the question of reincarnation in the Bible. this may be slightly off track but hey... *grin*

EDIT: i made some posts about the bible in this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78912&highlight=bible+reincarnation&page=8

there were some good posts added by others along those lines on the remaining 2 pages

[nectars]

If your looking for a bible that you can read with more confidence, and thats remained pretty untouched then I'd recommend the "New Testament translated from the original Aramaic", by Dr. George M. Lamsa.

Heres an online version: http://www.lamsabible.com/Lamsa%20Bible%20New%20Testament.htm

You'll also find the Old Testament on that site, though I'd stay away from anything other than "Genesis", "Psalms" and "Proverbs". As you mentioned the "gods" of the OT where very different, this is due to egoic "human virtues" being projected onto them. The Living Father or True God is beyond such.

"Omnipotent, Omnipresent & Omniscient -with a hypocritical need for control and bouts of vengance and jealousy" ...yehh right lol.

The reason for my above advice is that as you suspected yes, the bibles been tampered with dramatically over the centuries. The problem is that after the original Apostles vanished, those left to communicate the information where not only relying on second hand information, but as time went past the stories got changee(chinese whisper style) and also the ones re-writting and passing it on were not of sufficient understanding and consciousness to actually know the true meaning of the teachings. Hence they changed it to fit their own understanding of Jesus and God, not Jesus's understanding.

Eg: Someone one the ground is never going to understand the consciousness of another who is in heaven; for the one in heaven to attempt to describe their experience is like trying to describe the taste of coffee to someone whos never even heard of it.

This by the way is one of the reasons for the removal of the Gnostic(or banned) gospels, they were of a much higher teaching and gave instructions on personal knowing of the state Jesus refered to, not a rumour of it. This fear of the loss of power and control wasn't acceptable to the then Church, so either the power/control had to go, or the Gospels had to go.

Anyway, as with everything your going to be left with a choice of your own path. Along with the above I'd recommend reading the Gnostic Gospels of Christ, they were removed for a reason.

I'll give the reason for my certainty of all the above i my next post, but first if you dont mind, could I ask you a question...?

"Would God, Jesus or Truth make you go strong, or make you go weak? -even at the thought"

Hope this has helped in some way :)

[bsmurph83]

Along with the above I'd recommend reading the Gnostic Gospels of Christ, they were removed for a reason.


bingo!

[tusme]

Now I'm at a loss at what to do next, I feel like I am in limbo so to speak.
Hi Talohomidnight,

Rather than "doing", try "being" the expression of your existence, even if it is in "limbo"...

When you're "doing" an expression, you're only vibrating on a physical (frequency) level...however, when you're "being" an expression, besides physical, you're also connected or vibrating to it on a Spirit/Truth (frequency) level...

By doing so, your Physical being's vibrational energy is automatically elevated to that of your Spirit being's vibrational energy, which, if don't already know, is pure Truth energy, vibrates at the highest of all vibarational frequency's...and, exists Infinitely, in both the Physical and most certainly, in the Spirit (Truth) dimension...

Thus, over time, your Physical being's energy vibrations will gradually become more and more in-synch with your Spirit being's energy vibrations, then, you will notice how amazing simple it is to connect one's energies with other's energy's...regardless...

Meaning, in any experience, you will allow your energy's to observe that situation and then, express Truth energy about it, unconditionally, and then move on...the other person or energy will simply have to make their own mind up, where it "fits" within their own vibrational frequencies...if at all...!?

And thus, you are a Truth being...!! :)

Good Luck!!

[danceswithbunnies]

You know the other thing that i have found helpful?
Writings by Karen Armstrong..like History of God..
It can be helpful to read also about other people's struggle to come to terms with a fundamentalist faith when they have to intuitive sense that God(dess) is so much bigger that words and ineffable.

Another really good book (that i need to get instead of just checking out of the library) is Who Wrote The Bible?

[miracles]

Along with the above I'd recommend reading the Gnostic Gospels of Christ, they were removed for a reason.

:)

They where never included, as part of the bible, so how can they have been removed?. The so called gnostic gospels are not the word of God.

Show how and whne they where added and then removed please and thank you?

And bingo was his name.

Take everything you hear here with a giant pinch of salt.

[morphal]

I have debated on which site to post this on, afraid that I would just get slammed or booted off.

First I will give a very brief history.

My mother became a member of a religious cult, which I too later followed into her foot steps. Then in 2001, I learned that they were full of them selves and full of bunk, so I left, which ended up causing my relatives who are still involved in that cult to cut me out of their lives.

At that time I did a lot of research, and decided that most of the bibles had been changed over time, and decided that the King James Bible was the best, of what I had to choose from. I had also did research on most of the Christian groups, and decided to go the route of Non-Demotion. For a while every thing was fine. But then my husband and I moved to Arkansas because of work. Here we could not find a church. Our problem was that almost every place all they wanted was money. I even remember at one church the collection plate was passed around 4 times, yes, you heard me correctly 4 times. Or they were promoting some political person. So we just stopped going.

Now this was where things got a little strange for me, was when I actually read the bible from front to back for the first time. I mean actually read it, with out some one else's view on it. I found A LOT of things that just did not fly with me.

In short, I now believe that the Apostle Paul was full of it, and NOT an Apostle. I am trying to figure how his writings even got included in the Scriptures. He was even rejected by all the churches of Asia at that time, so that has got to tell you some thing right there.

I now feel that people who go to church on Saturday or Sunday are actually worshiping some thing else, even they don't know it. That the God of the Old Testament were actually different "gods".

I do still believe that Jesus was who he really said that he was. He did not go to the "churches" of his day. I still believe that he fulfilled the Law. And that he was killed and raised from the dead. I still believe that one day he will return, when I don't know when.

I just threw away my bibles, because, some may call me superstitious, but I now feel that it is just to contaminated by the devil. Please don't say oh your being superstitious, and the devil is not real, but just some thing made up. I have had a few encounters in the past to know that he does.

Now I'm at a loss at what to do next, I feel like I am in limbo so to speak.

I've been researching along similar lines and found some info that I will post for you here:

Jesus came to Earth to awaken the True-Light beings whose consciousnesses had been trapped in the Shadows. He did not come to establish a church. That is just part of OBB's propaganda about him. After his death, OBB had Paul of Tarsus contrive a vision on the road to Damascus. It was this alleged vision that purportedly caused his conversion. From there on, Paul usurped the Message of Jesus and corrupted it beyond any resemblance of its original form. This was by design of OBB. It always hijacks, then twists and corrupts the Divine Messages to suit its dark and selfish purposes.

Most people have been so brainwashed about Christianity that they literally accept everything in the Bible as the Word of God. They have no idea whatsoever of OBB's corruption of the text. In reality, if they took the whole Bible literally, they would see a vulgar epic of polygamy, murder, fraud, incest, revenge, wars, bullying, with some of it almost embarking on pornography etc. If this is the Word of God to be followed by the adherents then we know what type of God is involved with the Bible. It is the Anunnaki God.

One of the traits of OBB is to steal some pearls of wisdom from the Light and then mix it with its own brand of untruth to come up with a fraudulent version. Many people are attracted to the stolen portion of the Truth and get fooled and led astray by the corrupted and/or contrived portions. This has happened again and again, and continues to this day.

The ruling elite have found the Bible to be an ideal blueprint for world domination. The Christian religion, in its very corrupted form as it is today, has very little to do with the real teachings of Jesus and very much to do with building a One World Government. This is particularly true with regard to fundamentalist or right-wing Christians who interpret the Bible literally and are filled with self-righteousness. It is the self-righteous ones that are responsible for many wars. They speak of love, but they are so intolerant of other people's beliefs that they are always ready to pounce and sometimes even harm any who think differently than they do. These people are so certain of their place in Heaven that they condemn all who disagree with them. They call those who disagree with them the spawn of Satan. Ironically, they are holding the seat for Satan.

Christianity per se preaches love and peace, while it practices hate, war, exploitation and control. Christian countries are quick to murder, conquer, plunder, exploit and enslave. There is a long history of this that continues to this day under different covers, different tunes and different names but with the same hidden agendas. This is because the plot was designed by bloodthirsty Anunnaki.

...This is not to say that Jesus does not like peace but it is to say that the peace promised by OBB's unification is really dominance and outright slavery! Even in the corrupted Bible, Jesus said that he brought not peace but division. He said that daughters would be pitted against mothers and sons against fathers. He said that in a house of five three would be on one side and two on another. This is because he understood that the essences of people are mixed in biological families - the mixture amongst True-Light beings and False-Light beings in societies.

Christianity is the very religion that Jesus warned his disciples about. He warned them that it would come in his name. The false Jesus will deceive many.

This site also talks about Paul falsely taking over and promoting a false Christianity which you mentioned.

This (http://www.canng.com/articles/final_reflections.htm)is where the above quote is from. There are a ton of articles on the site, main page here (http://www.canng.com/), might be helpful for your research.

[nectars]

They where never included, as part of the bible, so how can they have been removed?. The so called gnostic gospels are not the word of God.

Ok, amazes me how much you lot are into semantics. "Not included", that better? that suit your little box?

[miracles]

Ok, amazes me how much you lot are into semantics. "Not included", that better? that suit your little box?


Its amazing how you lot make statement after statment claim after claim with Zero, Zilch, Zero, Nada, evidence or proof.

Ah well it is the dream world you belive to be real in here after all.

So any thing goes I guess.

A basic understanding of English and answering a straight question with a straight answer is not semantics, it's communicating is a normal intelligent adult human capacity. Not a moroninic neanderthal dialect. Ya may as well just grunt man, you'd make more sense.

[nectars]

Its amazing how you lot make statement after statment claim after claim with Zero, Zilch, Zero, Nada, evidence or proof.

Ah well it is the dream world you belive to be real in here after all.

So any thing goes I guess.

A basic understanding of English and answering a straight question with a straight answer is not semantics, it's communicating is a normal intelligent adult human capacity. Not a moroninic neanderthal dialect. Ya may as well just grunt man, you'd make more sense.

w/e mate, have fun with your little delusions of your own self importance, it's attitudes like that which give Christianity a bad name. This is not worth the effort were your concerned.

[miracles]

w/e mate, have fun with your little delusions of your own self importance, it's attitudes like that which give Christianity a bad name. This is not worth the effort were your concerned.

If you cant be intelligent and provide proof for your statements, and when I call you on it, does that then give you the right to insult my faith and how I carry it out, a faith you do not believe in or give any credence to in the first place and then you blame me for your unbelief.

Absolutely insane.

But what can you do.

Im quite important to my self yes. Is there a porblem with that too? If so what is the problem with that?

The fact is its not worth engaging with someone who makes statements with no proof.

Ill ask you again, where is the proof that these gnostic gospels etc where ever in the bible, and secondly where is the proof that a decision was made to remove them, and who made the decision?? Or is ther something wrong with the semantics of the question that is going to enable you to weasle out of answering it again????

You do realise that Gnosticism isn't Christianty and the bible is Christianity do you not??

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that those books do not align or agree with the other 66. OKAY?? So keep it real or stop jumping into the sandpit and throwing sand in peoples faces.

[merlincove]

Can we please try and keep this thread from diverting off track.

Please feel free to open up another thread in the sub forums to discuss semantics in respect of the above posts and literature.

:cool:

[nectars]

Ok bugger it, last post on this forum section.

If you cant be intelligent and provide proof for your statements, and when I call you on it, does that then give you the right to insult my faith and how I carry it out, a faith you do not believe in or give any credence to in the first place and then you blame me for your unbelief.

Proof for what? I make a comment to someone else and "you" jump in and start demanding proof of anything? Get a grip. As for "rights", I have the right to do whatever I please regardless of you "opinion" which is nothing more than that -an opinion, bugger all else.

Also, dont put words in my mouth mate, I've not in any post on here said I gave no credance to Christianity, what I have said is that its corrupt from the inside outward which reflects on and through the actions of Christians. Also that over the centuries its been rewritten because certain fools didn't think it "fit in" with how they thought it should be. I mean get real lol

I'm actually all for Christianity provided they actually practice it instead of using it as a tool and excuse for self righteous behaviour. If the words of Christ had been taken and acted upon as meant, the world would be a very different place.

Absolutely insane.



But what can you do..

Well you could start looking at yourself honestly for a start. That'll be new huh?

Im quite important to my self yes. Is there a porblem with that too? If so what is the problem with that?..

Theres a difference betwen self respect and self importance, I suggest you get clear on it. Self importance is "Pride" ie: the opposite of humility. Wait a minute! Who was it that talked about humility again?.. bahh, cant remember... anyway....

The fact is its not worth engaging with someone who makes statements with no proof..

You know what, your so right there it almost hurts! Right, now YOU prove the bible was the word of God, "Or", even the word of the apostles keeping in mind that they and Christ were dead by the time they were written.

Now dont get me wrong, I feel the teachings in them can be great, but thats not what your playing for is it. Prove the actual physical object known as the bible was written in the exact words laid out by either God, Christ or the apostles while keeping the above in mind.

Ill ask you again, where is the proof that these gnostic gospels etc where ever in the bible, and secondly where is the proof that a decision was made to remove them, and who made the decision?? Or is ther something wrong with the semantics of the question that is going to enable you to weasle out of answering it again????.

What, your under the delusional impression that I pander to your demands? Yehh right mate, will ever happen. As I've stated above I hadnt been talking to you in the first place, so try minding your own business instead of seeing it as anything to do wih you.

Besides , your deliberatly not reading correctly again are you?

I quote(myself)..

"Not included", that better?

You see that, it doesnt say "in it", it says "not included". They were around and looked at by the same guy who picked out the 4 Gospels your yabbing about, so why wern't they included when they where as valid as any other?

That clear enough now?

You do realise that Gnosticism isn't Christianty and the bible is Christianity do you not??.

Yes I do.

You do realise that Gnostic Christianity was around at the same time(and rumoured to be before) the creation of the Orthadox church dont you? And you do know that the "Orthadox Church" was done to centralize the power structure of the "church" through the bringing together of many different ypes of christianity which wern't in agreement about the teachings?

On that note, you do realise that Christ never attended church or asked to be either worshipped by anyone or that it should be done in churches?

John 14:6 'Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.'

Do you understand that passage or do you take it literally? n/m.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that those books do not align or agree with the other 66. OKAY?? So keep it real or stop jumping into the sandpit and throwing sand in peoples faces.

What, because thats what your perception says? Nothing more than mere vanity again mate... sorry, I meant "opinion". I've read both and feel differntly, the only way it could be seen that way is if they're taken literally.

How do you know you dont deserve to be hit with sand? I say its the shovel that would be better, not sand.

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I'd appologise for the attitude(letting the ego out of its cage), but the reality is sometimes that the only way you can get an angry person to listen is to act angrier than they are. (and btw thats a metaphor like most the teachings of your bible, so dont jump on the "anger" thing, I'm not implying you were angry, mkay?)

[stfd]

Ok bugger it, last post on this piece or crap forum section.



Proof for what? I make a comment to someone else and "you" jump in and start demanding proof of anything? Get a grip. As for "rights", I have the right to do whatever I please regardless of you "opinion" which is nothing more than that -an opinion, bugger all else.

Also, dont put words in my mouth mate, I've not in any post on here said I gave no credance to Christianity, what I have said is that its corrupt from the inside outward which reflects on and through the actions of Christians. Also that over the centuries its been rewritten because certain fools didn't think it "fit in" with how they thought it should be. I mean get real lol

I'm actually all for Christianity provided they actually practice it instead of using it as a tool and excuse for self righteous behaviour. If the words of Christ had been taken and acted upon as meant, the world would be a very different place.



Well you could start looking at yourself honestly for a start. That'll be new huh?



Theres a difference betwen self respect and self importance, I suggest you get clear on it. Self importance is "Pride" ie: the opposite of humility. Wait a minute! Who was it that talked about humility again?.. bahh, cant remember... anyway....



You know what, your so right there it almost hurts! Right, now YOU prove the bible was the word of God, "Or", even the word of the apostles keeping in mind that they and Christ were dead by the time they were written.

Now dont get me wrong, I feel the teachings in them can be great, but thats not what your playing for is it. Prove the actual physical object known as the bible was written in the exact words laid out by either God, Christ or the apostles while keeping the above in mind.



What, your under the delusional impression that I pander to your demands? Yehh right mate, will ever happen. As I've stated above I hadnt been talking to you in the first place, so try minding your own business instead of seeing it as anything to do wih you.

Besides , your deliberatly not reading correctly again are you?

I quote(myself)..



You see that, it doesnt say "in it", it says "not included". They were around and looked at by the same guy who picked out the 4 Gospels your yabbing about, so why wern't they included when they where as valid as any other?

That clear enough now?



Yes I do.

You do realise that Gnostic Christianity was around at the same time(and rumoured to be before) the creation of the Orthadox church dont you? And you do know that the "Orthadox Church" was done to centralize the power structure of the "church" through the bringing together of many different ypes of christianity which wern't in agreement about the teachings?

On that note, you do realise that Christ never attended church or asked to be either worshipped by anyone or that it should be done in churches?

John 14:6 'Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.'

Do you understand that passage or do you take it literally? n/m.



What, because thats what your perception says? Nothing more than more vanity mate... sorry, I meant your opinion. I've read both and feel differntly, the only way it could be seen that way is if they're taken literally.

How do you know you dont deserve to be hit with sand? I say its the shovel that would be better, not sand.

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I'd appologise for the attitude(letting the ego out of its cage), but the reality is sometimes that the only way you can get an angry person to listen is to act angrier than they are. (and btw thats a metaphor like most the teachings of your bible, so dont jump on the "anger" thing, I'm not implying you were angry, mkay?)
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"'Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"
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YES !
You got THAT right!

[nectars]

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"'Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"
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YES !
You got THAT right!

WAsnt talking to you but since you mention it, do you know what it means?

[stfd]

WAsnt talking to you but since you mention it, do you know what it means?

Is a public forum isnt it?
So basically your posts are open for anyone to comment yes?

Hmmm i think i have some ideea.. is a pretty deep thing that one you know ... In fact i am still working towards actually comprehending it.
All in all and while i will keep at it and trying i know i couldnt possibly match divine understanding , whether in this life or the next.
Point is - i must keep at it, and by the grace of God i might get a glimpse.

But since you asked, do you know what it means?

[nectars]

Is a public forum isnt it?
So basically your posts are open for anyone to comment yes?

Hmmm i think i have some ideea.. is a pretty deep thing that one you know ... In fact i am still working towards actually comprehending it.
All in all and while i will keep at it and trying i know i couldnt possibly match divine understanding , whether in this life or the next.
Point is - i must keep at it, and by the grace of God i might get a glimpse.

But since you asked, do you know what it means?

First off, sorry for being a bit snappy there mate, I let the ego out its cage for a bit earlier and it was still in play mode :(

I do know it, its a pretty slippery metaphor. I recieved it a while back while contemplating on it, which I do with these things(Christs own words) "religiously" for lack of a better wording. No doubt this will probably get me shot down as "full of it", but I'd rather not say what it means as giving others answers to things like that tends to rob them of "owning" it.

Some say "Advice" is rarely appreciated and quickly forgotten, as well as inviting a test of itself to the advisor. In my experience this is so. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say with that, but if insistant I can give what I've been shown of it.

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You know the other thing that i have found helpful?
Writings by Karen Armstrong..like History of God..
It can be helpful to read also about other people's struggle to come to terms with a fundamentalist faith when they have to intuitive sense that God(dess) is so much bigger that words and ineffable.

Another really good book (that i need to get instead of just checking out of the library) is Who Wrote The Bible?

Wow, i was just about to recomend armstrong a second before i saw your post. synchronic.

[miracles]

Wow, i was just about to recomend armstrong a second before i saw your post. synchronic.
chronic :D

[miracles]

Ok bugger it, last post on this forum section.



Proof for what? I make a comment to someone else and "you" jump in and start demanding proof of anything? Get a grip. As for "rights", I have the right to do whatever I please regardless of you "opinion" which is nothing more than that -an opinion, bugger all else.

Also, dont put words in my mouth mate, I've not in any post on here said I gave no credance to Christianity, what I have said is that its corrupt from the inside outward which reflects on and through the actions of Christians. Also that over the centuries its been rewritten because certain fools didn't think it "fit in" with how they thought it should be. I mean get real lol

I'm actually all for Christianity provided they actually practice it instead of using it as a tool and excuse for self righteous behaviour. If the words of Christ had been taken and acted upon as meant, the world would be a very different place.



Well you could start looking at yourself honestly for a start. That'll be new huh?



Theres a difference betwen self respect and self importance, I suggest you get clear on it. Self importance is "Pride" ie: the opposite of humility. Wait a minute! Who was it that talked about humility again?.. bahh, cant remember... anyway....



You know what, your so right there it almost hurts! Right, now YOU prove the bible was the word of God, "Or", even the word of the apostles keeping in mind that they and Christ were dead by the time they were written.

Now dont get me wrong, I feel the teachings in them can be great, but thats not what your playing for is it. Prove the actual physical object known as the bible was written in the exact words laid out by either God, Christ or the apostles while keeping the above in mind.



What, your under the delusional impression that I pander to your demands? Yehh right mate, will ever happen. As I've stated above I hadnt been talking to you in the first place, so try minding your own business instead of seeing it as anything to do wih you.

Besides , your deliberatly not reading correctly again are you?

I quote(myself)..



You see that, it doesnt say "in it", it says "not included". They were around and looked at by the same guy who picked out the 4 Gospels your yabbing about, so why wern't they included when they where as valid as any other?

That clear enough now?



Yes I do.

You do realise that Gnostic Christianity was around at the same time(and rumoured to be before) the creation of the Orthadox church dont you? And you do know that the "Orthadox Church" was done to centralize the power structure of the "church" through the bringing together of many different ypes of christianity which wern't in agreement about the teachings?

On that note, you do realise that Christ never attended church or asked to be either worshipped by anyone or that it should be done in churches?

John 14:6 'Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.'

Do you understand that passage or do you take it literally? n/m.



What, because thats what your perception says? Nothing more than mere vanity again mate... sorry, I meant "opinion". I've read both and feel differntly, the only way it could be seen that way is if they're taken literally.

How do you know you dont deserve to be hit with sand? I say its the shovel that would be better, not sand.

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I'd appologise for the attitude(letting the ego out of its cage), but the reality is sometimes that the only way you can get an angry person to listen is to act angrier than they are. (and btw thats a metaphor like most the teachings of your bible, so dont jump on the "anger" thing, I'm not implying you were angry, mkay?)

Wow what a rant, and it was the thrid to last post, or is that number symantics.

Still no proof, just ramble with anger thrown in.

Um I've already proved the bible is the word of God. Read my threads.

Cheers, have a nice life.

PS you and others will have your chance to chop the heads of christians if you live long enough. Believe me that's gonna happen too. I pray to God it's not in this generatin or the next two though.

Hey, heres a thing, would you have your head chopped off or renounce what you know to be the truth to stay alive?? If the answer is no to that question, then you do not know the truth YET! But keep looking and you will find it. But in this forum.