French Revolution, the Masons and Fascism

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I was looking through a book on the French Revolution and noticed a few things...

With my new found 'truth-sight' I am looking throughout history for signs of the hidden hand and the Global Elite in various periods.

The first thing I noticed was the fasces symbol. It appears all over the French Revolution and betrays the real direction the Revolution was being steared to. This was the Roman symbol of strngth and power through the unity of the people into a 'Nation-State'.


It is a very important symbol, and was used by the Fascist regimes of Mussolini and Hitler. It was this later use which has given it its negative connotations and its association with fascism.

]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Fasces_lictoriae.svg

The Fasces (from the Latin for bundle) - symbolising strenght in unity. When the poeple unite they provide an unbreakable handle (the bundle of rods) to the axe. The rods symbolise a united populace under the authority of a supreme head (the axe) - in the original case the Roman Monarch, later the Roman Emperor.

http://www.livius.org/fa-fn/fasces/fasces.html
The fasces were a symbol of authority, but the precise meaning is unknown. It is often claimed that the rods could be used to lash people, and the ax to execute them. This may have been true in the days of the monarchy, but not during the republic. After the Laws of the twelve tables, no Roman magistrate could summarily execute a Roman citizen.


This was one of the central symbols of the Italian Fascists and the German Nazis.

Some good pics of fasces in emblems http://romanfasci.blogspot.com/

http://www.livius.org/fa-fn/fasces/fasces.htmlThe use of fasces by the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini is quite another story. In 1921, he called his political movement Fasci di combattimento, fascio being the Italian word for peasant organizations and labor unions. When il duce chose the ancient Roman fasces as symbol of the fascist party, he was at the same time playing with the similarity of the words fascio and fasces, chosing an ancient symbol, and drawing a parallel between fascism and progressive movements of the past.


The Nazis:

The fasces was chosen by the Nazi fascists for the same reason it was chosen by the new American and French republics in the 18thC - to symbolise a strong nation-state, and a united people. Of cousre, at first glance this sounds ok. But then you realise - what if some people dont agree with the states direction? There is no room for dissention in a 'fascist' state, the people are compelled to follow the axe (or even to drive the axe?); but they must do it together. Any nation that uses the fasces bundle is not a democracy.

I have to wonder why the Nazis chose this symbol though? Ther main symbol was the Swastika, which is very ancient and has meanings associated with chaos/order (too complex and controversial to go into here just yet - see this excellent thread for more on Swastika). The more I look into it, the more they just seemed to pick symbology out at random to reinforce specific aspects of their regime, rather than subscribing to some united philosophy (or create their own?).

Why did the French adopt it and who adopted it?

The Sans-culottes were driving a lot of the more revolutionary ideals; chief among them was ‘equality’ – time and time again whenever the Revolutionaries were making demands of the King or later the Convention, the sans-culottes would press for the inclusion of ‘equality’ to the list; meaning to encapsulate all of the population (down to the peasants) in the reforms, and not just the city and the bourgeoisie, who were fighting for ‘ownership’ of the Revolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans-culottes

The term came to refer to the ill-clad and ill-equipped volunteers of the Revolutionary army during the early years of the French Revolutionary Wars, but, above all, to the working class radicals of the Revolution.

The Liberty cap of the Sans-cullotes;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Marianne_Symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpg

This cap is apparantly Phrygian in nature;



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_of_liberty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg

Antiquity

In Antiquity, the Phrygian cap had two connotations: for the Greeks as showing a distinctive Eastern influence of non-Greek "barbarism" (in the classical sense) and among the Romans as a badge of liberty. The Phrygian cap identifies Trojans such as Paris in vase-paintings and sculpture, and it is worn by the syncretic Hellenistic and Roman saviour god Mithras and by the Anatolian god Attis. The twins Castor and Pollux wear a superficially similar round cap called the pileus.



It is the Roman symbology that links it to the Fench Revolution, like the fasces bundle. It's meaning of liberty. Which does in a way contradict the power of the fasces bundle. I suppose here we should not get 'liberty' and 'freedom' mixed up; it means political liberty, NOT personal freedoms; subtlely different.

It can also be seen in the United States.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/1868_dollar_obv.jpg

The liberty cap on an 1868 dollar.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_79JhZ0Mjrzo/SjR-1-w0OqI/AAAAAAAAA7M/XO_0RTGZ5F0/s1600-h/FASCIA+5.jpg

Here is a seal of the US Senate; complete with Fasces, Oak leaves, and Liberty cap. The symbols of strength, unity, and political liberty that be seen common throughout Rome, the US and France.

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If you thought the French Revolution was a socialist revolution, think again. (Mainly because I have come to realise there is no such thing as Socialism; historically Socialism and Fascism are different names for the same thing; the dominance of the state over the individual, and the individuals collectively giving the state its strength.)

Take a look at this picture. (From The French Revolution by Furet & Richet)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9148/equality.jpg

Unfortunately there is no information on the artist or the circumstances. The location is the Paris Town Hall. However, I do not know if this is a realistic copy of the room by the artist in situ, or a fanciful representation the artists made to illustrate the activity.

Notice above the door on the right; a fasces. Also the statue of ‘Egalite’ has her right elbow leaning on a fasces. Another symbol you often see in relation to Egalite is a Masonic square; seen in her left hand. This is an upside down square with a plumb line. While this is not a common seen Masonic symbol, it is itself a Masonic device, depicting ‘uprightness’; a true and straight line, and the search for truth and eternal life.

The same square appears on the plinth she is seated on.

You can see around the fasces above the door, the poster on the wall, and around the plinth, are oak leaves. Oak leaves are often seen accompanying the fasces;

The Oak:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak#Cultural_significance
Political or symbolic
The oak is a common symbol of strength and endurance and has been chosen as the national tree of England, Estonia, France, Germany, Moldova, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, the United States, Basque Country, Wales and Serbia.[citation needed] Iowa has designated the oak as its official state tree in 1961, and the White Oak is the state tree of Connecticut, Illinois and Maryland. The Northern Red Oak is the provincial tree of Prince Edward Island, as well as the state tree of New Jersey. The Live Oak is the State Tree of Georgia.
Oak leaves are traditionally an important part of German Army regalia. They also symbolize rank in the United States Armed Forces. A gold oak leaf indicates an O-4 (Major or Lt. Commander), whereas a silver oak leaf indicates an O-5 (Lt. Colonel or Commander). Arrangements of oak leaves, acorns and sprigs indicate different branches of the United States Navy Staff corps officers. Oak leaves are embroidered onto the covers worn by field grade officers and flag officers in the United States armed services.
The oak tree is used as a symbol by a number of political parties. It is the symbol of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom[14], and formerly of the Progressive Democrats in Ireland[15]. In the cultural arena, the oakleaf is the symbol of the National Trust (UK) and The Royal Oak Foundation.
Mythological
In Celtic mythology, it is the tree of doors, believed to be a gateway between worlds, or a place where portals could be erected.[citation needed]
In Classical mythology, the oak was a symbol of Zeus and his sacred tree. An example is the oracle of Dodona, which in prehistory consisted solely of a holy oak.[citation needed]
In the Bible, the oak tree at Shechem is the site where Jacob buries the foreign gods of his people (Gen. 35:4) . In addition, Joshua erects a stone under an oak tree as the first covenant of the Lord (Josh. 24.25-7). In Isaiah 61, the prophet refers to the Israelites as "Oaks of Righteousness".

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The American and French Revolutions were essentially the same thing. (A concerted effort by the global elite to bring forward their world domination plans perhaps?)

Looking at the picture from Furet & Richet again, there is an inscription on the wall above the seated figure of 'Egalite'. It is cut off in this scan, but it says;

"Rublique Francais, Egalite, Liberte ~ ou la mort." - French Rublique, Equality, Freedom ~ or death.

"Liberty or Death" was one of the slogans of the Revolution.

The below painting is entitled - "La Liberté ou la Mort"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Jean-Baptiste_Regnault_-_La_Libert%C3%A9_ou_la_Mort.JPG

Here we have the same collection of emblems in this painting representing the choice - liberty or death. (You can just make out the angel's feet are above France).

On the left is Republican France (possibly a mixture of liberty and egality)

She is holding the plumbline (Masonic) in her left hand (like the statue of 'Egalite' in the previous picture).

In her right hand is the liberty cap.

These two symbolising Egalite (equality) (the plumb line) and Liberty (the cap).

Notice the fasces at here feet bound in tri-colour ribbon.

(Oh and notice the 6 pointed star above her head? Is this random inclusion or does it allude to a Zionist element?)

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Liberty or Death.

It was also attributed to the American Revolution;


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_Liberty,_or_give_me_Death!

"'Give me Liberty, or give me Death'!" is a famous quotation attributed to Patrick Henry from a speech he made to the Virginia Convention. It was given March 23, 1775, at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia, and is credited with having swung the balance in convincing the Virginia House of Burgesses to pass a resolution delivering the Virginia troops to the Revolutionary War. Among the delegates to the convention were future US Presidents Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. Reportedly, those in attendance, upon hearing the speech, shouted, "To arms! To arms!"[1]

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http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3825/louisxvi3.jpg

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Let us take a look at some more imagery from the Revolution;

A page from the Revolutionary Calendar.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2165/scan0001ib.jpg

Along the top bar, to the left and right is a cockeral and a liberty cap on top of a pyramid of canon-balls (themselves seen above two ornate canons forming pillars to the left and right... two pillars Joachim and Boaz?

Below the two canons are the words "Mort aux Tyrans... et aux traitors" - "Death to tyrants and traitors.". ANd below that are the lightning symbols so often seen with the American Eagle.

Now let us return to the top; the central figure is the Law; "Regne de la Loi" - "Rule of Law". Here is a fasces with oak leaves (strenght and unity of the nation-state) the cockeral (symbol of France) and a liberty cap.

To the right is a fugure with a tablet with "Loi" inscribed (LAw), also leaning on a fasces.

To the left is an interesting figure... She has the symboles of justice, the balances and a sword... beneath her feet is the four headed beast of Babylon, Greece, Persia and Rome of Revelation. Is this symbolic of it being slain at her feet by the sword?? Or is it a tacit sympathy... suggesting the Revolutionary France is under the same auspices as the old Empires and that France is a daughter of Rome? Her sword seems to be pointing, rather than slaying,, and it is pointing to the fourth beast (Rome). Is she saying that French law is aping Roman law? That is indeed what happened, the Law was based on Roman ideals as opposed to Anglo-Saxon ideals.

She is also leaning aon a fasces represented in a pillar. (I do not know what the letter 'R' is refering to? possibly Republique, or Regne?

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There's a mirror view here: the beast and the cornucopia on the right .
The 4 four headed creature seems under the command of the sword, but not slain to me .
It seems a 'positive' symbol here . Same for the other two symbols: the cap and the cock (France) on the left .

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http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3825/louisxvi3.jpg

Good find;

We can see here how the set-square/plumb line is anologous to the Pyramid and the all-seeing-eye. Tying together the global elite and the Masons.

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haven't found a bigger image yet... this resembles theosophy logos, including the ourobouros, than we have a pair of little shaking hands .

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Another page from the Revolutionary calendar;

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8851/scanr.jpg

In this image we see the same bundles of imagery;

The fasces bundles form two pillars, capped by a cockeral and a liberty cap; and also oak leaves.

beneath them the words Union and Force (meaning the same in French) and allied to the meanings of the fasces, strength through unity.

The top left is Liberte - with a liberty cap and a staff and an orb. (The staff was part of the imagery of strength of the 'common people' among the sans-culottes).

To the top right is Egality - again she has a full fasces and also the plumbline.

Across the top is the word "Sureveilance" - which I take it as a warning to be vigilant to safe-guard the Revolution. The picture is not clear enough in the print, but is full of obscure image references; the top centre of the picture is another plumbline with a slogan; I cannot make out the words.

Here is another representation of the Republican Calendar; (note wearing a liberty cap)

http://www.kokogiak.com/frc/frc-marianne.jpg

Here we see the Masons plumbline very prominant. What is missing from this picture however is any representation of the fasces.

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haven't found a bigger image . this resembles theosophy logos, including the ourobouros, plus a pair of shaking hands .

It also has the serpent swallowing its own tail;

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/anarmyofnone/uroboros.jpg?t=1249596806

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About post #8:

I read Surveillance + Immortal Glory at the Sacred Mount: do we have a biblical reference here?

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About post #8:

I read Surveillance + Immortal Glory at the Sacred Mount: do we have a biblical reference here?

Looks like it; but I don't know the meaning of the picture.

There are frogs in it that look like they have been struck by the lightning; There are alos frogs in the other Republican Calendar pic (to the left, looks like leaping up or falling down?)

And the multi-headed beast;

To the right looks like some crowns, labels and a simple crucifix. This coudl be symbolising the fall of the four empires of Revelation;

[Such a shame the pictures can't be reolved more, I wish I could read the inscriptions - have tried to find a hi-res version on the web to no avail...)

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The Declaration of the Rights of Man.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Declaration_of_Human_Rights.jpg

In the middle is the fasces topped with a liberty cap.

Above it is the serpent; the ourobouros - a masonic emblem;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros#Freemasonry

And above all at the top - the all seeing eye. Symbol of the masonic global elite.

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The French Revolution was begun and 'owned' by the Bourgeoisie; instrumental in leading it was the Duc D'Orleans and the Jacobin club.

The Duc D'Orleans was Grand Master of the Grand Orient of France.

Their logo;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/GOdFlogo.png

Note the all seeing eye at the top as well as the masonic square and compass.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Orient_de_France#French_Revolution

French Revolution

The Lodge Les Neuf Sœurs was a prominent lodge attached to the Grand Orient de France that was particularly influential in organising French support for the American Revolution and later in the intellectual ferment that preceded the French Revolution. Benjamin Franklin was a member of this Lodge when he was serving as liaison in Paris.

Some notable French revolutionaries were Freemasons, including Voltaire,[3] Marquis de Condorcet,[4] Mirabeau,[5] Georges Danton,[6] the Duke of Orléans,[7] and Hébert.[8]

Louis Philippe II, Duke of Orléans, a leader of the Liberal Aristocracy, was the Grand Master of the Grand Orient at the time of the French Revolution.[7] In some parts of France, the Jacobin Clubs were continuances of Masonic lodges from the Ancien Régime, and according to historian Alan Forrest "some early clubs, indeed, took over both the premises and much of the membership of masonic lodges, before rebadging themselves in the new idiom of the revolution."[9]

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Post #12: note the tool in the hand of the creature with the black wings, it is the same used to indicate the words on the holy scriptures as Koran and Torah, that some religious groups do not touch to keep purity. On the left, a crowned Liberté breaks the chains.

Post #13: Little hammer and caduceus .

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This is another picture from Furet and Richet's The French Revolution.

French Freemasons.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7446/frenchmasons.jpg

Notice how the very centre of the image is a plumbline set square...

The authors mentioning of Fench Freemasonry comes in passing many times in this book and hightlights that the hand of Freemasonry is everywhere in the French Revolution.

Phrases such as this crop up all over events;
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8352/scan0004u.jpg

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Post #12: note the tool in the hand of the creature with the black wings, it is the same used to indicate the words on the holy scriptures as Koran and Torah, that some religious groups do not touch to keep purity. On the left, a crowned Liberté breaks the chains.



Why is the figure on the left wearing a crown? and has a blue cape, with what looks like Fluer de Lys...

She is looking at the all seeing eye while holding the chains. Has she broken them? Or is she pickign them up? Is she showing the all-seeing-eye that she has found the broken chains and they are ready to be repaired?

The other figure is lookign at us and poiting to the declaration, while indicating the eye - as if in a stern posture for us to pay attention!


Post #13: Little hammer and caduceus .

I did wonder about them... thanks for the info

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Post #13: Little hammer and caduceus .


http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/88007/caduceus

Staff carried by Hermes, the messenger of the gods, as a symbol of peace. Among the ancient Greeks and Romans it became the badge of heralds and ambassadors, signifying their inviolability. Originally the caduceus was a rod or olive branch ending in two shoots and decorated with garlands or ribbons. Later the garlands were interpreted as two snakes entwined in opposite directions with their heads facing; and a pair of wings, in token of Hermes’ speed, was attached to the staff above the snakes. Its similarity to the staff of Asclepius the healer (a staff branched at the top and entwined by a single serpent) resulted in modern times in the adoption of the caduceus as a symbol of the physician and as the emblem of the U.S. Army Medical Corps.


Again from the same book [http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1129546]

A cartoon of Napoleons triumphant return to France from Egypt;

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6409/napoleontriumphant.jpg

The caduceus being carried by one of the winged creatures; also again the fasces (on the lion's coats).

The chariot's whhel also looks like a sun-wheel, emblematic of the Old Regime of the bourbons.

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Seems like we have a Demigod here: two lions as the ones beside almost every throne from Babylon to the UK . Again the cornucopia, the crowning as symbol of glory and the crop as symbol of wealth . Caduceus should be read as an allegory of Napoleon as God-send...

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Seems like we have a Demigod here: two lions as the ones beside almost every throne from Babylon to the UK . Again the cornucopia, the crowning as symbol of glory and the crop as symbol of wealth . Caduceus should be read as an allegory of Napoleon as God-send... the problem is which God ?

Caduceus in the lap of Baphomet...

http://theformofmoney.blogharbor.com/WitchBaphomet.gif

Is that also a Masonic hand gesture?

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masons just 'take' that sign which means: I speak as a messenger of God .

.... the problem is which God ?

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http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/pics/mexico.masonic.lodge.room.op.jpg

A Mexican grand lodge.

I think that sometimes these things are thrown together by semi-educated people, who just throw as many related symbols together without really knowing what they mean.

However - here is a plumbline/set sqaure in the dead centre.

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The Palais des Tuileries;

(Pre 1871)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/453/parisowl.jpg

Looking a lot like an Illuminati owl... (Rememebr this was pre-Revolution AND the laying down of the Washington street grid occult imagery.)


Jardin des Tuileries
Previous Attraction
Next Attraction
The Jardin des Tuileries is Paris's most central garden. It connects the Louvre with the Place de la Concorde and forms a part of the large central axis between the Louvre and La Défense.

After the death of her husband Henri II in 1559, Catherine de Médicis had a Palace built at the tuileries, the Palais de Tuileries. The palace featured a large garden in Italian style, reminding her of her native Tuscany.

Le Nôtre's Design
Between 1660 and 1664 the garden was redesigned in French formal style by André Le Nôtre, the celebrated gardener of King Louis XIV, the Sun King. Le Nôtre built a terrace along the riverbank and opened up a central axis which he extended three years later with the creation of the Champs-Elysées.


On a direct Axis with the 12 pointed Arc de Triumph... follow to the top left along the Champs Elysee, this line terminates at the Arc de Triumph.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=paris&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.8712,77.783203&ie=UTF8&ll=48.864362,2.327149&spn=0.009359,0.01899&t=h&z=16

Notice also the other end of this Axis; above the Owl's head, there is a circle (representing the earth) and atop of that is the modern day Pyramid of the Louvre. It's placing would seem to be no accident; it is above the owl's head and represents the all-seeing-eye.

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The shooting of Robspierre;

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7084/robspierreshooting.jpg

On the back wall is the declaration with Fasces bundle.

Again...

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2518/convention.jpg

On the wall the Fasces in the centre of the declaration;

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Here again is another version of the Calendar;

This one is fairly free of imagery (no fasces here)

However, there in the lower middle is the Masonic sqauare as a plumbline.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7193/calendarg.jpg

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http://www.kokogiak.com/frc/frc-marianne.jpg

Here we see the Masons plumbline very prominant. What is missing from this picture however is any representation of the fasces.

Lol!!

Look again, in the border... there is the Fasces!! :eek:

And also she has in her left hand a pair of dividers (masonic)

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In conclusion:

Personally, since the start of 2009 I have been on a journey of rediscovery through the history I though I knew. Revising what I have learnt, removign the filters that were put there while learning, I have sene history in a whole new light. You do not have to look very far, just scratch the surface in fact, to find history is crawling with clues of the 'hidden hand' of the Global Elite.

I picked up one book - "THe French Revolution" by Francois Furet and Denis Ruchet (Trans Stephen Hardman) to find that book full of hidden symbology. I say hidden, it is there to be found, but this stuff is never alluded to in any main stream history teaching.

We all know about the fasces in Italy and Germany; but what about Revolutionary France? We are led to believe that these eveetns were sparked by a 'socialist' revolt against the Ancien Regime. Well it was not! It was clearly led by the same group of people who were already in power (La Fayette, Duc D'Orleans, etc) and was modelled on the Roman state - intended to produce a strong state with a unified people. This was no touchy-feely revolution with personal liberty in mind.

The French Revolution was a Bourgeoisie coup-d'etat which was aimed to modernis France into a strong nation-state, and not an attempt to make things better for the people [why am I not surprised?]

Liberty - symbolised by the red liberty cap (a Roman emblem) ; does not mean personal freedom, but means political freedom for the Bourgoisie from absolutism. NOT a socialist ideal of freedom.

Egalite - Equality; the inclusion of this was pushed for by the Third Estate (the common people) and is symbolised by the Fasces. Did the poor of France know that the Bourgeoisie were modelling their new society on Rome? NOT a socialist ideal of 'all are equal'; but rather all are equal as part of the state

Fraternite - 'Brotherhood'; a clear indication that the Masons were at the heart of the Revolution. NOT a socialist ideal of 'one people', but a fascist ideal (ein volk anyone?)

Images in this book form the French Revolution are replete with Masonic and fascist sympology, as well as more esoteric and ancient symbols.

Was the French Revolution started, steered, and completed by the Global Elite??

Further info on the role of Masons in the French Revolution;

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/frenchrevolution.html

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p109_Muirden.html

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/revolution.html

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We all know about the fasces in Italy and Germany, but what about Revolutionary France?
And about US Congress, Washington D.C. ??

Brotherhood - with deceptive slogans - did include the French Peuple as Cattle for Napoleon Bonaparte (later known as Napoleon I), as we see the timelap from the storming of the Bastille on 14 July 1789 to the descent into battlefields of this Ueberkommander at the Siege of Toulon in July 1793 .
Republican principles were still to come, but the slaughters had to start .

Napoleon Bonaparte was initiated into Army Philadelphe Lodge in 1798 .

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The modern French passport...

http://images.avisian.com/french_passport.jpg

Close up...

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/misc/fr)pass7.gif

That is clearly a fasces.

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Apologists for the use of the Fasces, especially in the US, point out that Revolutionary America and France chose the Fasces because of its 'strength in unity' flavour, BEFORE Mussolini, then Hitler, adopted it for 'political fascism', thus it had a differnet meaning in the 20th C than it did for the 18th and 19thC.

OK.

Good point.

But this passport was not printed over a hundred years ago... surely there has been time to reflect and to choose another symbol to define the Republique Francais?

O wait - that IS your symbol, that is the best thing you can find to define your nation-state... EVEN AFTER its horrible use by Mussolini AND Hitler??

If that is the case 'O we used it first in a nice way' why do you not use the Swastika? Plenty of people used teh Swastika before the Nazis - the Swastika had no political connotations at all - it was a universal symbole of good/evil order/chaos/ light/dark etc, as ancient and as politically benign as the yin-yang. While people freely and happily use the Yin Yan, can you imagine the furore if someone used a Swastika (for its originally intended use)? You would get sick and tired of explaining "I'm not a Nazi, it is an ancient symbol representing the eternal battle of order and chaos and the revolution of the ages..."

You would get sick and tired of explaining that - in fact in some countries to portray a swastika could land you in big trouble.

So why is the fasces bundle ok? After all the Swastika was in use before the NAZIs and has been dropped quicker than a [deleted due to distate]

The faces bundle has always been a political symbol (unlike the esoteric swastika) and has always only ever meant ONE THING - the dominance of the state over the individual, the loss of personal freedom, the unified direction of nation-state. There is no dissention under the fasces...

Let's move on...

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Modern America, unlike many other modern nations, has a continuity from its revolutionary beginnings; thus Revolutionary and Modern America are one and the same entity.

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George Washington statue;

http://www.forgottendelights.com/images/Photos%20for%20NYsc%20index/WashingtonWard.JPG

Oops, just slipped a fasces in behind his coat, no one will notice.

Washington again...

http://www.dightonrock.com/Washington.jpg

Lincoln Memorial;
http://iloveoregon.com/images/P1012711.jpg

how many thousands of times have you seen this but not really looked? What is he resting his arms on?? A pair of fasces.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2275/2163461798_3c477beb56.jpg


http://www.flickr.com/photos/8623220@N02/2163461798/

Photo shows Speaker of the House Jame Beauchamp "Champ" Clark standing at the rostrum in the House of Representatives chamber, United States Capitol, Washington, D.C. (Source: Flickr Commons project, 2008) [between 1910 and 1915]

...OK all BEFORE Mussolini and Hitler's use of the Fasces. Fair enough...

Here with the Eagle 'mace' (looking like an Asclepius)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xcUskQ-VRTI/SPIThFERYHI/AAAAAAAAA5w/TC2sI03oJx0/s1600-h/130105fasces1.jpg


JFK
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/JFK_delivers_State_of_the_Union_Address%2C_14_Janu ary_1963.jpg/600px-JFK_delivers_State_of_the_Union_Address%2C_14_Janu ary_1963.jpg

Now surely... someone should have noticed...?

I mean JFk - we are in the post World War state, everyone a bit edgy and the United States is SINGLE HANDEDLY carrying teh badge for freedom.

Whoops! What's that on the wall...?

Surely, Kennedy should be turning round, and saying... "o that? O it was here when I got here... errrr... we're having the decorators in so we'll have it removed. Think it would be best, we should really adopt a more friendly touchy feely emblem, one that symbolises FREEDOM perhaps???"

BS.

Could it plainer?

This nice person has even arrowed it in case you CANNOT see this thing... this is where the President, and ALL presidents, address the Nation...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xcUskQ-VRTI/SPIThFERYHI/AAAAAAAAA5w/TC2sI03oJx0/s1600-h/130105fasces1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2if3lg1dm-A/R6DmEUaDRkI/AAAAAAAAAI0/JL7n3NyaJUg/s400/congress_fasces.jpg

Bush...
http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/bush_speech_fasces.jpg


You think anyone has noticed...? Only in the last few years (it was Icke who pointed it out to me, and I couldn't believe. So I went to Google images... typed in 'Fasces' hit enter and reeled in shock... it is everywhere, if it is so prevailent why are they so quiet about it?? It obviously means something to them...), it is at the VERY HEART of their nation...

[white horse]

But hey, WH, you are going over the top a bit there... so some presidents BEFORE European fascism used it, and it was there before Mussolini,

That's hardly everwhere is it?

Errrr...

Fasces over Chicago City Hall doorway...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Fasces_on_City_Hall_Chicago.jpg


Boston Federal Building...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3631/3382201643_1775f01299.jpg


Atop the Capitol Dome...

http://www.suzar.com/666/666Series/netfasces/fascescapitol.jpg


Nebraska Supreme Court Doors (The fasces is in the centre of the door grilles)

http://www.supremecourt.ne.gov/press/photos/supreme-doors.jpg

Seal above the bench of the Nebraska Supreme Court;
http://www.supremecourt.ne.gov/press/photos/seal.jpg

Light fixtures in the Nebraska Supreme Court;
http://www.supremecourt.ne.gov/press/photos/lightnorth.jpg
http://www.supremecourt.ne.gov/press/photos/lightwest.jpg
http://www.supremecourt.ne.gov/press/photos/lightsouth.jpg

Same building, panelling in the Court of Appeals;http://www.supremecourt.ne.gov/press/photos/appeals-seal.jpg

...Same building in the Lawyer's Room, design on the ceiling...
http://www.supremecourt.ne.gov/press/photos/lawyers-ceiling.jpg

[rodin]

The French revolution was the world-revolution in action, not a revolution in France. From the moment of the event in France no doubt remains on that score. Before then people might indulge notions about suffering peasants, stung to sudden uprising by arrogant aristocrats and the like, but diligent study of the background of the French revolution dispels such illusions. It was the result of a plan and the work of a secret organization revealed before it occurred; it was not merely a French outburst produced by French causes.

The plan behind it is the plan of Communism today; and Communism today, which is the world-revolution in permanence, has inherited the organization which evolved the plan.

The French revolution of 1789 is the one that provides the key to the mystery. It forms the link between the English one of 1640 and the Russian one of 1917 and reveals the whole process as a planned and continuing one which, having passed through these three stages, clearly will reach its final orgasm at some moment not far distant, probably during this century.

That climax, foreseeably, will take the shape of an attempt to consummate and complete the world-revolution by setting up a world-government under the control of the organization which has guided the revolutionary process from its start. This would establish the sway of a new ruling-class over the submerged nations. (As Dr. Kastein would say, it would "determine the fate of the whole world").

This picture, which only slowly emerged as three centuries passed, is today clear in its historical perspective, where each of the three great revolutions is seen in the light thrown on it by the next:

(1) The English revolution appeared at the time to be a spontaneous English episode, directed only against the pretensions, at that moment, of a particular royal house, the Stuarts, and a particular form of religion, called "Popery". No contemporary dreamed of considering it as the start of a world-movement against all religion and all legitimate government. (The ruling sect of Jewry supplied the revolutionary dictator with funds and by means of this, traditional "abetting" part the Jewish leaders became chief beneficiaries of the revolution; if they had any part in the original instigation of it, this cannot be show, nor has any evidence of a long-term, master-plan behind the revolution survived).

(2) The nature and course of the French revolution, however, puts the English one in a different light. It was not, and even at the time did not seem to be, a native French episode caused merely by French conditions. On the contrary, it followed a plan for universal revolution discovered and made public some years before; and the secret organization then exposed had members in many countries and all classes. Therefore its most characteristic acts (regicide and sacrilege), though they repeated those of the revolution in England, were seen not to be spontaneously vengeful deeds, committed in the heat of a moment, but actions deliberately symbolic of a continuing plan and purpose: the destruction of all religion and all legitimate government, everywhere.

Inevitably, this revelation leads to the surmise that the English revolution too may have been prepared by this secret organization with the aim of destroying all nationhood. (In the French revolution, as in the English one, the Judaist sect emerged as a chief beneficiary; the general emancipation of Jews, which came of it, was used by it as a cover for its conspiratorial work during the ensuing decades. Original Judaist instigation is not shown by any evidence now available.)

Thus the French revolution, unlike the English one, demonstrably was the product of a major conspiracy, with worldwide aims and deep roots. From this instant, the nature of the plan was plain, but the conspirators, wherever they were unmasked, seemed to be horde of individuals with no bond of union between them save that of the arsonist's lust for destruction. The purpose was beyond doubt, but the identity of the organizers was still mysterious. This half-clarified scene was depicted in famous words by a classic authority on the subject, Lord Acton:

"The appalling thing in the revolution is not the tumult but the design. Through all the fire and smoke we perceive the evidence of calculating organization. The Managers remain studiously concealed and masked but there is no doubt about their presence from the first".

The French revolution, then, revealed a design behind revolution, and it was the design of a set purpose in a worldwide field. What had seemed planless at the time of the English revolution now was seen to be, or had become the result of a plan and a pattern, and the conspiracy clearly was of such strength and age that its complicity in the earlier revolution had to be allowed for. However, this second revolution still left "the managers" masked, so that only half of the mystery had been solved (Lord Acton died in 1902 and thus did not see the third revolution.)

(3) The revolution in Russia, again, opened room for new theories about the French and English revolutions. Its acts of regicide and sacrilege were as unmistakable an identity-card as the Muslim's greeting is a token of his faith; by them it informed all who wished to hear that it was still working to "the design" of worldwide destruction first revealed by the French revolution. Moreover, the secret, for a hundred years called "a lie", was no longer even denied: from 1917 on the world-revolution was avowedly permanent, avowedly worldwide in purpose, and the erstwhile secret conspiracy became a political party, operating in all countries under orders from a central headquarters in Moscow.

Thus the Russian revolution threw a brighter light on the French one, clarifying its outlines and origins. However, in the matter of the "studiously concealed" and "masked" managers, the Russian revolution threw an entirely different light on the two earlier ones, or at the least it opened up conjectures about their possible origins which none had previously spent much thought upon.

The "managers" of the revolution in Russia were nearly all Eastern Jews.

On this occasion the significant, symbolic acts of regicide and sacrilege were committed by Jews and a law was enacted which in effect forbade all discussion of the part played by Jews, or by "the Jewish question", in these events or in public affairs at all.

Thus vital questions were answered and what was a great mystery in 1789 became plain in 1917. The great benefit which today's student derives from the French revolution is the proof, supplied by it, of the existence of a design for world-revolution, and of an organization which pursued that destructive ambition.

Its existence and activity made the 19th Century the century of the grand conspiracy. A sense of evil things stirring in dark places, like the sounds which a prisoner in a dungeon awaits at night, disquietened men and nations. This was the feeling imparted by conspiracy to the enpested air around. From the moment of the French revolution men intuitively knew that they lived with conspiracy in their midst; in our day, which has suffered its effects, we can at least see with what we have to deal, if we look, and may say that it is the devil that we know.

Perhaps the greatest disservice that Napoleon did was, by his campaigns and glittering exploits to distract men's thoughts from the much greater danger that menaced them: the world-revolution and its secret "managers". But for him they might have paid more attention to the conspiracy, for they had the proof of its existence. [end of chapter]

__________________________________________

Note by JP: As this chapter was being transcribed, several statements/quotes from other sources came to mind that lend even more weight to Mr. Reed's assertions relative to 'nationalism' and the destruction of nations; Napoleon; the French Revolution, and the ability of the perpetrators to remain secret. Remember what international means? "Inter" = to bury.

First: An excerpt of a letter by the Jew, Oscar Levy, to Mr. George Pitt-Rivers regarding Pitt-Rivers' book, "The World Significance of the Russian Revolution"

"And then think of the history of nationalism. It started in our time and as a reaction against Napoleon;

"Napoleon was the antagonist of the French Revolution;

"the French Revolution was the consequence of the German Reformation;

"the German Reformation was based upon a crude Christianity;

"this kind of Christianity was invented, preached and propagated by the Jews:

"THEREFORE the Jews have made this war! [WWI]

"Please do not think this a joke: it only seems a joke, and behind it there lurks a gigantic truth, and it is this, that all latter-day ideas and movements have originally sprung from a Jewish source, for the simple reason, that the Semitic idea has finally conquered and entirely subdued this only apparently irreligious universe of ours."

Next: A couple of excerpts from the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion: (emphasis ours)

"Our power in the present tottering condition of all forms of power will be more invisible than any other, because it will remain invisible until the moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning can any longer undermine it.

Out of the temporary evil we are now compelled to commit will emerge the good of an unshakable rule. . . " Protocol No. 1

Before this was sent to our webmaster for posting, I began another fascinating book titled The Cause of World Unrest, which exposes many of the 'secret societies' which all seem to be controlled by the same "formidable sect". An excerpt from that book is added here as it ties into much of what Reed states in the chapter you've just read, and in his next, THE DESIGN.

Beginning excerpt from The Cause of World Unrest (1920) beginning on page 3:

Now let us carefully consider this gloomy, impressive and almost terrifying passage. What does it mean? It means, first of all, that the German Imperial Government used an organization-- "the most formidable sect in the world" -- for the destruction of Russia.

Secondly -- as we also gather from Ludendorff -- the German Government ran a great risk, "assumed a great responsibility" in letting loose this mysterious power.

Thirdly, Ludendorff seems to suggest that the German Government handled this power clumsily, so that they were also brought down by it.

Fourthly -- and here we come to Mr. Churchill -- the sect was not German only or Russian: its leading spirits were drawn from New York, Glasgow, Berne, and other countries.

It was a power outside Germany, a power outside Russia: it was a world-wide power. And it was a power strong enough to bring Russia down, and also, if we are right in our interpretation of Ludendorff's words, to bring down the Imperial German government and the House of Hohenzollern.

What was it?

Before attempting to answer this question, let us make another quotation, this time from an author long dead. The Abbe' Barruel wrote his Memoirs of Jacobinism towards the end of the eighteenth century. The English translation was published in 1797-1798. The Abbe' traced the origin of the French Revolution through a bewildering maze of secret societies, French and German, chiefly Masonic or pseudo-Masonic in form, and all inspired by a common plan.

He suggested that the parent sect of the Revolution was the Illuminati founded by the famous "Spartacus" Weishaupt in Bavaria in 1776, and after describing the sinister activities of this and other organizations of a similar kind, he warned his readers in these remarkable words:

"You thought the Revolution ended in France, and the Revolution in France was only the first attempt of the Jacobins. In the desires of a terrible and formidable sect, you have only reached the first stage of the plans it has formed for that general Revolution which is to overthrow all thrones, all altars, annihilate all property, efface all law, and end by dissolving all society".

Please read that quote again! Continuing with excerpt:

Now, the Abbe' Barruel's book caused a great sensation at the time, and became the centre of a great controversy -- both in Europe and America -- now [1920] almost, if not quite forgotten. Among those who attempted to answer Barruel was Jean Joseph Mounier, famous in the early stages of the Revolution as President of the National Assembly. Mounier was one of those Liberal-Constitutionalists who seem doomed to be the dupes of the Revolutions over whose early stages they preside.

Mounier then wrote a reply to Barruel. In this reply Mounier pointed out that the Illuminati had been dissolved in 1787.

"How, therefore [he asked], could it have produced the Revolution of France which began in 1789? True, we have been assured that it was continued in more secret forms; but this assertion is out of all probability. . . They who say the order still exists ought to give up the attempt to persuade the Germans of it, who are witnesses of the conduct of those who established it. . .

"If we are to believe the writings of Dr. Robison and M. Barruel, the systems of M. Weishaupt were diffused with the rapidity of the electric fluid." Influence of the Philosophers, Free-Masons, and Illuminists on the Revolution in France (1801)

Here surely is a passage upon which Time sheds a strong and dramatic light.

In 1801 No German believes that the followers of "Spartacus" still exist as a secret society. In 1918 they come out of their shadows and attempt a Revolution in Berlin!

In 1801 it is absurd to suppose that a secret society, a "formidable sect", could spread from Germany to France 'with the rapidity of the electric fluid".

In 1919 Mr. Churchill asserts that Revolution was carried from Germany to Russia "in the same way that you might send a phial containing a culture of typhoid".

Barruel then is justified by time. As we shall presently show, he finds support in the researches of modern history. The French Revolution -- like the Russian Revolution -- was actuated by a formidable sect, "the most formidable sect in the world".

The proofs of this statement we must reserve for a subsequent chapter. In the meantime let us merely state the question which these papers will attempt to answer.

What is this "formidable sect" of which Barruel speaks in the eighteenth century, of which Mr. Churchill speaks in the twentieth? Is it the same then as now? That is a disturbing question. Upon the answer may rest the safety of England -- of Christianity -- and of the civilization based on Christianity.

Says Lord Acton in his Essays on the French Revolution:

"The appalling thing is not the tumult but THE DESIGN (our emphasis). Through all the fire and smoke we perceive the evidence of calculating organization. The managers remain studiously concealed and masked, but there is no doubt about their presence from the first."

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/worldrev.htm

[grandsecretary]

Sorry to disappoint but the fasces lictoriae is not a Masonic symbol. It is Roman, and it symbolised imperial power (the Roman Imperium) in ancient Rome. It was carried before a magistrate, in number corresponding to rank.

The rods were used to whip criminals and delinquents on the spot. The axe represented the power to decapitate.

It was also carried by heroic soldiers (they had to have been injured in battle) during the triumphs (public celebrations held in Rome after a military conquest).

It was later adopted as a symbol by many, including: Napoleon after the French Revolution; The Spanish Guardia Civil; The Italian Fascist Movement during the 1920's; The Knights of St Columbus; Various American organisations; BUT

definitely NOT by freemasons, or Free Masonrie as a Masonic symbol.

[white horse]

Ok, ok, ok

So it is everywhere (what, the above posts took me less than an hour or two's research??!)...

But be fair WH - all of these were likely constructed and built BEFORe Mussolini and Hitler used it, so its use was not the same as the evil fascists dictators.

No - you are right, we will let them off.

However...

The seal of the State of Colorado...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_79JhZ0Mjrzo/SjSA0dwa0kI/AAAAAAAAA7c/Y1gLGBw_YlI/s1600-h/cx.jpg


National Sherriff's association;

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_79JhZ0Mjrzo/SjRyMf3aV7I/AAAAAAAAA5E/oyaOgrKLWMY/s1600-h/JGJGJGJGJGHJGH.jpg


National Guard Beureau;

http://www.ngbpdc.ngb.army.mil/dwt%20files/logo_blue.gif

Seal of the US Senate (also with Liberty Cap - this absolutely twins the formation of the United States with that of Revolutionary France)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/Senate_Sealsvg.png


County of San Diego;

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8246/sdcountysealfz0.gif

And our good friends the Knights of Columbus. (This shows that teh fasces was used BEFORE teh Reviolutions of France and America.

http://www.carr.org/~meripper/kofc/images/3rd-logol.jpg

The key is to think of France as the Daughter of Rome... From there (and other more minor places) Rome was incubated; it was released agian by the opportunity of America (that had been designed for hundreds of years) and the French Revolution. To support the new America, there had to be a strong European Ally... France had to be modernised to do this, the Ancien Regime was not adequate.

[macneil]

Sorry to disappoint but the fasces lictoriae is not a Masonic symbol. It is Roman, and it symbolised imperial power (the Roman Imperium) in ancient Rome. It was carried before a magistrate, in number corresponding to rank.

The rods were used to whip criminals and delinquents on the spot. The axe represented the power to decapitate.

It was also carried by heroic soldiers (they had to have been injured in battle) during the triumphs (public celebrations held in Rome after a military conquest).

It was later adopted as a symbol by many, including: Napoleon after the French Revolution; The Spanish Guardia Civil; The Italian Fascist Movement during the 1920's; The Knights of St Columbus; Various American organisations; BUT

definitely NOT by freemasons, or Free Masonrie as a Masonic symbol.

It has also been used in an obelisk to commemorate the dead of the first world war in Northern Ireland.

Possibly as you say for the heroic soldiers but I believe the people who would have requested this statues construction would have been totally anti Rome. There is a strong following of the Black Institution who are closely linked with Freemasons in this town. If you look at my post you'll see a Black Lodge member wearing a masonic apron...

I don't know either way but coincidental that it appears alongside other Masonic icons. Today is the first I've heard of a Fasces.

Bangor Northern Ireland

http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/miscimages/bangormemorial2.jpg

Taken from http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/lightmagicmasonry.html

[white horse]

Sorry to disappoint but the fasces lictoriae is not a Masonic symbol. It is Roman, and it symbolised imperial power (the Roman Imperium) in ancient Rome. It was carried before a magistrate, in number corresponding to rank.

The rods were used to whip criminals and delinquents on the spot. The axe represented the power to decapitate.

It was also carried by heroic soldiers (they had to have been injured in battle) during the triumphs (public celebrations held in Rome after a military conquest).

It was later adopted as a symbol by many, including: Napoleon after the French Revolution; The Spanish Guardia Civil; The Italian Fascist Movement during the 1920's; The Knights of St Columbus; Various American organisations; BUT

definitely NOT by freemasons, or Free Masonrie as a Masonic symbol.

Did you read any of my post - cos you are actually paraphrasing what I have said!

I have NEVEr stated that teh fasces is a Masonic symbol, because it is not. It is Roman (as I pointed out earlier).

The Masoni symbol is the set-square as a plumb-line. I have not seen that much in Masonic literature, it is normally the other way up paired with compasses/dividers.

Perhaps you can illuminate us GS as to the symbolism of the plumbline cos it appears all over the French Revolution in places where it doesn't need to be.

There are three symbols that appear regularly in the French Revolution;

The Plumbline/Square - normally seen with 'Egalite' - symbolising 'uprightousness' (not equality?) [Masonic=uprightousness]

The Liberty Cap - normally seen with 'Liberte'. Does not mean 'free'; but is anologous to liberty from absoluist monarchy, and political freedom of governmet (not YOUR personal freedom). [Roman=liberty]

The Fasces - often seen with a Liberty-Cap [Roman=nation-state]- taking the meaning 'Fraternite' - pretty similar meaning to the fasces, unity (strength); however, an also allusion to the role of Masons in Revolutionary France and America - I mean c'mon, Masons practically built both those Nations... no?

I have never ever said the Fasces was used in Freemason symbols... I have linked it here to Freemasonry because it is plastered all over these two 'Freemason Revolutions'.

Grand Secretary, perhaps you can tell us why?

[white horse]

It has also been used in an obelisk to commemorate the dead of the first world war in Northern Ireland.

Possibly as you say for the heroic soldiers but I believe the people who would have requested this statues construction would have been totally anti Rome. There is a strong following of the Black Institution who are closely linked with Freemasons in this town. If you look at my post you'll see a Black Lodge member wearing a masonic apron...

I don't know either way but coincidental that it appears alongside other Masonic icons. Today is the first I've heard of a Fasces.

Bangor Northern Ireland

http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/miscimages/bangormemorial2.jpg

Taken from http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/lightmagicmasonry.html

Holy crap dude! Where is that? :eek: That's incredible!

[EDIT]

Solar obelisk in Bangor, Northern Ireland: This obelisk with fasces and lion's heads ostensibly commemorates the dead of the First World War.

Very very puzzled by this Bangor statue... very puzzled... I would never have expected to find that in an Anglo-Saxon nation...

I have never considered that the Fasces was used in an Anglo-Saxon realm (don't be confused, they may be WASPs but the USA is ROMAN; this is very differnet to Anglo-Saxon models of Governemt).

Is that in the Republic or NI? Because if that is NI then that is the UK... and I have always believed that ROME was 'banned' from the UK (Rome is spread al lover the World, but is repelled from the UK).

What the frell is going on?

[macneil]

This is in Northern Ireland my friend and a majority Protestant town... and as you say, at this time the Council for this town would have been totally Anti-Rome. I would dare say the Council at this present time would still be anti Rome.

I've never seen or heard of a Fasces until your post.

[white horse]

More US fasces on buildings...

The pattern with buildings is its use in Law Courts, which reflects the originally thought use in Rome, as a symbol of the magistrate's authority.

Law Courts - Raleigh, Carolina;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/schampeo/298016841/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/schampeo/298016461/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/schampeo/298016995/


US Post Office and Courts;

http://fatherpitt.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/2009-05-05-federal-building-02.jpg?w=430&h=498


Jefferson County Courthouse (1929), downtown Birmingham, Alabama.

http://narrativepointofview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/courthouse-eagle.jpg


The seal of the US Courts Administrative Office.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_79JhZ0Mjrzo/SjR_TTc1NoI/AAAAAAAAA7U/potLn-ysHek/s1600-h/fvgfv.jpg

...

Fence posts in Stuyvesant Square, Manhattan [http://forgottendelights.blogspot.com/2007/07/second-stories-on-17th-st-irving-place.html]

[white horse]

I've never seen or heard of a Fasces until your post.

Then wise up my friend! :cool:

The Fasces is one of the central themes you will come across in Global Elite circles... as you can see from this post.

Before Icke's work I was only aware of the Fasces in Fascist Italy and Germany, and it's oriinal use in Rome.

I was a history student and studied the Nazis exstensively, so I am well versed in what the Fasces means, and the links and connotations the Nazis had with Rome; and the fasces original use in Rome.

Here is my major beef;

The Fasces is paraded stage-front in relation to Rome, Mussolini and Hitler; school kids learn this stuff. Evil, bad wicked Romans/Fascisti/Nazis...

Yet at the same time... at the same time... the Us an dEurope is covered with this 'badge of Rome'...

Why was it never pointed out to me in French Revolution classes? Or why has no one until I saw Icke point it out in 2007 notice that Kennedy's speach was made bewtix an enourmous pair of fasces...

Does anyone else here not find that a little odd huh...???

Why is this hidden [in plain view?] yet pointed out when talking about the 'evil enemy'? WE have given it its evil connotations...

[white horse]

Lol - even 'non-truthers' are getting in on the Fascisti act!

You have to check this out...

http://thriftstoreadventures.blogspot.com/2007/07/facist-tennis-anyone.html

[nihil]

.

"Brumaire", 2nd month of the republican year, is represented with a villain holding a 'fascine', as a simple bucolic view, no axes. Brumaire stands for mist, foggy... field of war, fog of cannons ?!

.
Sin was the earliest name of the moon god symbolized by the crescent in ancient Mesopotamia; the "Sacred Marriage" of Innana and Dumuzi (Tammuz) was celebrated annually at the New Year Solstice between twin pillars of bound rods or "Fasces" and sacrificial lambs.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/121/315075336_35ec7c32b0.jpg

The fasci allegory is Italian (Rome > Classical Greece) and it is originally related with the harvesting. (Italian, fascine).

It implies a good bunch of rods, a chord to unite the rods - as in religion (Latin, re-lego) - and an axe that was largely used in ancient Greece. At Mycenae, in the Peloponnese, ancient moulds for winged axes have been found. The chief Roman magistrates, who had executive authority, were the consuls, praetors, dictator and master of the horse. They were each entitled to be accompanied by a bodyguard or lictors, who carried the fasces, a bundle of rods and the axe, securis. The Hebrew seghor means spear, axe, gold. The Latin verb icio means to strike. The lictor is probably El, god above, and ictor, striker, a word that could come from icio.

The Hebrew maghzerah is an axe. This word resembles the Latin magister and magistratus. These words are probably magh, great, set, and ar, the divine fire, Latin ara, altar.

So an original bucolic imagery has been adorned with a symbolical tool for sacrifices to resemble a re-public (res publica) that will start a war that included almost all europe... Many fasces of young rods hitten with iron axes, to satisfy the will of a God.

Not the christian God for sure.

[white horse]

The French revolution was the world-revolution in action, not a revolution in France. From the moment of the event in France no doubt remains on that score. Before then people might indulge notions about suffering peasants, stung to sudden uprising by arrogant aristocrats and the like, but diligent study of the background of the French revolution dispels such illusions. It was the result of a plan and the work of a secret organization revealed before it occurred; it was not merely a French outburst produced by French causes.

The plan behind it is the plan of Communism today; and Communism today, which is the world-revolution in permanence, has inherited the organization which evolved the plan.

The French revolution of 1789 is the one that provides the key to the mystery. It forms the link between the English one of 1640 and the Russian one of 1917 and reveals the whole process as a planned and continuing one which, having passed through these three stages, clearly will reach its final orgasm at some moment not far distant, probably during this century.

That climax, foreseeably, will take the shape of an attempt to consummate and complete the world-revolution by setting up a world-government under the control of the organization which has guided the revolutionary process from its start. This would establish the sway of a new ruling-class over the submerged nations. (As Dr. Kastein would say, it would "determine the fate of the whole world").

This picture, which only slowly emerged as three centuries passed, is today clear in its historical perspective, where each of the three great revolutions is seen in the light thrown on it by the next:

(1) The English revolution appeared at the time to be a spontaneous English episode, directed only against the pretensions, at that moment, of a particular royal house, the Stuarts, and a particular form of religion, called "Popery". No contemporary dreamed of considering it as the start of a world-movement against all religion and all legitimate government. (The ruling sect of Jewry supplied the revolutionary dictator with funds and by means of this, traditional "abetting" part the Jewish leaders became chief beneficiaries of the revolution; if they had any part in the original instigation of it, this cannot be show, nor has any evidence of a long-term, master-plan behind the revolution survived).

(2) The nature and course of the French revolution, however, puts the English one in a different light. It was not, and even at the time did not seem to be, a native French episode caused merely by French conditions. On the contrary, it followed a plan for universal revolution discovered and made public some years before; and the secret organization then exposed had members in many countries and all classes. Therefore its most characteristic acts (regicide and sacrilege), though they repeated those of the revolution in England, were seen not to be spontaneously vengeful deeds, committed in the heat of a moment, but actions deliberately symbolic of a continuing plan and purpose: the destruction of all religion and all legitimate government, everywhere.

Inevitably, this revelation leads to the surmise that the English revolution too may have been prepared by this secret organization with the aim of destroying all nationhood. (In the French revolution, as in the English one, the Judaist sect emerged as a chief beneficiary; the general emancipation of Jews, which came of it, was used by it as a cover for its conspiratorial work during the ensuing decades. Original Judaist instigation is not shown by any evidence now available.)

Thus the French revolution, unlike the English one, demonstrably was the product of a major conspiracy, with worldwide aims and deep roots. From this instant, the nature of the plan was plain, but the conspirators, wherever they were unmasked, seemed to be horde of individuals with no bond of union between them save that of the arsonist's lust for destruction. The purpose was beyond doubt, but the identity of the organizers was still mysterious. This half-clarified scene was depicted in famous words by a classic authority on the subject, Lord Acton:

"The appalling thing in the revolution is not the tumult but the design. Through all the fire and smoke we perceive the evidence of calculating organization. The Managers remain studiously concealed and masked but there is no doubt about their presence from the first".

The French revolution, then, revealed a design behind revolution, and it was the design of a set purpose in a worldwide field. What had seemed planless at the time of the English revolution now was seen to be, or had become the result of a plan and a pattern, and the conspiracy clearly was of such strength and age that its complicity in the earlier revolution had to be allowed for. However, this second revolution still left "the managers" masked, so that only half of the mystery had been solved (Lord Acton died in 1902 and thus did not see the third revolution.)

(3) The revolution in Russia, again, opened room for new theories about the French and English revolutions. Its acts of regicide and sacrilege were as unmistakable an identity-card as the Muslim's greeting is a token of his faith; by them it informed all who wished to hear that it was still working to "the design" of worldwide destruction first revealed by the French revolution. Moreover, the secret, for a hundred years called "a lie", was no longer even denied: from 1917 on the world-revolution was avowedly permanent, avowedly worldwide in purpose, and the erstwhile secret conspiracy became a political party, operating in all countries under orders from a central headquarters in Moscow.

Thus the Russian revolution threw a brighter light on the French one, clarifying its outlines and origins. However, in the matter of the "studiously concealed" and "masked" managers, the Russian revolution threw an entirely different light on the two earlier ones, or at the least it opened up conjectures about their possible origins which none had previously spent much thought upon.

The "managers" of the revolution in Russia were nearly all Eastern Jews.

On this occasion the significant, symbolic acts of regicide and sacrilege were committed by Jews and a law was enacted which in effect forbade all discussion of the part played by Jews, or by "the Jewish question", in these events or in public affairs at all.

Thus vital questions were answered and what was a great mystery in 1789 became plain in 1917. The great benefit which today's student derives from the French revolution is the proof, supplied by it, of the existence of a design for world-revolution, and of an organization which pursued that destructive ambition.

Its existence and activity made the 19th Century the century of the grand conspiracy. A sense of evil things stirring in dark places, like the sounds which a prisoner in a dungeon awaits at night, disquietened men and nations. This was the feeling imparted by conspiracy to the enpested air around. From the moment of the French revolution men intuitively knew that they lived with conspiracy in their midst; in our day, which has suffered its effects, we can at least see with what we have to deal, if we look, and may say that it is the devil that we know.

Perhaps the greatest disservice that Napoleon did was, by his campaigns and glittering exploits to distract men's thoughts from the much greater danger that menaced them: the world-revolution and its secret "managers". But for him they might have paid more attention to the conspiracy, for they had the proof of its existence. [end of chapter]

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Note by JP: As this chapter was being transcribed, several statements/quotes from other sources came to mind that lend even more weight to Mr. Reed's assertions relative to 'nationalism' and the destruction of nations; Napoleon; the French Revolution, and the ability of the perpetrators to remain secret. Remember what international means? "Inter" = to bury.

First: An excerpt of a letter by the Jew, Oscar Levy, to Mr. George Pitt-Rivers regarding Pitt-Rivers' book, "The World Significance of the Russian Revolution"

"And then think of the history of nationalism. It started in our time and as a reaction against Napoleon;

"Napoleon was the antagonist of the French Revolution;

"the French Revolution was the consequence of the German Reformation;

"the German Reformation was based upon a crude Christianity;

"this kind of Christianity was invented, preached and propagated by the Jews:

"THEREFORE the Jews have made this war! [WWI]

"Please do not think this a joke: it only seems a joke, and behind it there lurks a gigantic truth, and it is this, that all latter-day ideas and movements have originally sprung from a Jewish source, for the simple reason, that the Semitic idea has finally conquered and entirely subdued this only apparently irreligious universe of ours."

Next: A couple of excerpts from the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion: (emphasis ours)

"Our power in the present tottering condition of all forms of power will be more invisible than any other, because it will remain invisible until the moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning can any longer undermine it.

Out of the temporary evil we are now compelled to commit will emerge the good of an unshakable rule. . . " Protocol No. 1

Before this was sent to our webmaster for posting, I began another fascinating book titled The Cause of World Unrest, which exposes many of the 'secret societies' which all seem to be controlled by the same "formidable sect". An excerpt from that book is added here as it ties into much of what Reed states in the chapter you've just read, and in his next, THE DESIGN.

Beginning excerpt from The Cause of World Unrest (1920) beginning on page 3:

Now let us carefully consider this gloomy, impressive and almost terrifying passage. What does it mean? It means, first of all, that the German Imperial Government used an organization-- "the most formidable sect in the world" -- for the destruction of Russia.

Secondly -- as we also gather from Ludendorff -- the German Government ran a great risk, "assumed a great responsibility" in letting loose this mysterious power.

Thirdly, Ludendorff seems to suggest that the German Government handled this power clumsily, so that they were also brought down by it.

Fourthly -- and here we come to Mr. Churchill -- the sect was not German only or Russian: its leading spirits were drawn from New York, Glasgow, Berne, and other countries.

It was a power outside Germany, a power outside Russia: it was a world-wide power. And it was a power strong enough to bring Russia down, and also, if we are right in our interpretation of Ludendorff's words, to bring down the Imperial German government and the House of Hohenzollern.

What was it?

Before attempting to answer this question, let us make another quotation, this time from an author long dead. The Abbe' Barruel wrote his Memoirs of Jacobinism towards the end of the eighteenth century. The English translation was published in 1797-1798. The Abbe' traced the origin of the French Revolution through a bewildering maze of secret societies, French and German, chiefly Masonic or pseudo-Masonic in form, and all inspired by a common plan.

He suggested that the parent sect of the Revolution was the Illuminati founded by the famous "Spartacus" Weishaupt in Bavaria in 1776, and after describing the sinister activities of this and other organizations of a similar kind, he warned his readers in these remarkable words:

"You thought the Revolution ended in France, and the Revolution in France was only the first attempt of the Jacobins. In the desires of a terrible and formidable sect, you have only reached the first stage of the plans it has formed for that general Revolution which is to overthrow all thrones, all altars, annihilate all property, efface all law, and end by dissolving all society".

Please read that quote again! Continuing with excerpt:

Now, the Abbe' Barruel's book caused a great sensation at the time, and became the centre of a great controversy -- both in Europe and America -- now [1920] almost, if not quite forgotten. Among those who attempted to answer Barruel was Jean Joseph Mounier, famous in the early stages of the Revolution as President of the National Assembly. Mounier was one of those Liberal-Constitutionalists who seem doomed to be the dupes of the Revolutions over whose early stages they preside.

Mounier then wrote a reply to Barruel. In this reply Mounier pointed out that the Illuminati had been dissolved in 1787.

"How, therefore [he asked], could it have produced the Revolution of France which began in 1789? True, we have been assured that it was continued in more secret forms; but this assertion is out of all probability. . . They who say the order still exists ought to give up the attempt to persuade the Germans of it, who are witnesses of the conduct of those who established it. . .

"If we are to believe the writings of Dr. Robison and M. Barruel, the systems of M. Weishaupt were diffused with the rapidity of the electric fluid." Influence of the Philosophers, Free-Masons, and Illuminists on the Revolution in France (1801)

Here surely is a passage upon which Time sheds a strong and dramatic light.

In 1801 No German believes that the followers of "Spartacus" still exist as a secret society. In 1918 they come out of their shadows and attempt a Revolution in Berlin!

In 1801 it is absurd to suppose that a secret society, a "formidable sect", could spread from Germany to France 'with the rapidity of the electric fluid".

In 1919 Mr. Churchill asserts that Revolution was carried from Germany to Russia "in the same way that you might send a phial containing a culture of typhoid".

Barruel then is justified by time. As we shall presently show, he finds support in the researches of modern history. The French Revolution -- like the Russian Revolution -- was actuated by a formidable sect, "the most formidable sect in the world".

The proofs of this statement we must reserve for a subsequent chapter. In the meantime let us merely state the question which these papers will attempt to answer.

What is this "formidable sect" of which Barruel speaks in the eighteenth century, of which Mr. Churchill speaks in the twentieth? Is it the same then as now? That is a disturbing question. Upon the answer may rest the safety of England -- of Christianity -- and of the civilization based on Christianity.

Says Lord Acton in his Essays on the French Revolution:

"The appalling thing is not the tumult but THE DESIGN (our emphasis). Through all the fire and smoke we perceive the evidence of calculating organization. The managers remain studiously concealed and masked, but there is no doubt about their presence from the first."

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/worldrev.htm

Some good info and good points there dude...

I now see the French and American revolutions as basicall exactly the same event; same people same aganda... (tho possibly differnet reasons).

'They' realised that France was too backwards to play a dominant role in the NWO so need to modernise it by pushing revolution; and I believe the same for Russia - it was so the PTB good speed march a technological revolution to bring the nation up to date...

The American Revolution was simply to creat a homogenous entity in the United States to be the 'new Babylon'...

So... the English Revolution.... really not sure about that... was it a PTB play for an agenda or for once did the PTB actually loose control for a short while? (They soon regained it...)

Not sure on the English one... it's always stood oput as unique, and not really a revolution at all, it was a typical Anglo-Saxon reaction to creeping Continentalism...

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[white horse]

Seems like we have a Demigod here: two lions as the ones beside almost every throne from Babylon to the UK . Again the cornucopia, the crowning as symbol of glory and the crop as symbol of wealth . Caduceus should be read as an allegory of Napoleon as God-send...

Ah y'know I have only just seen the cornucopia!

What is the significance of that in this imagery? - especially in post #4 in opposition to the four headed beast???


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornucopia

Some evangelical Christians warn against wearing the symbol, or the similar Italian horn symbol of male fertility, saying it is actually demon infested or unlucky,[2] and equating it to the "little horn", a figure described in the Christian Bible sometimes considered to be the Antichrist.[3]


Hmmmmm.... interesting...