Anti-fascists clash with protesters in Birmingham

[free thinker]

See video here-> http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-news/2009/09/05/anti-fascists-clash-with-right-wing-protesters-in-birmingham-97319-24615373/

VIOLENT rioting brought Birmingham city centre to a standstill as rival groups of protesters clashed today.

Around 100 members of the right-wing English Defence League fought running battles with socialist demonstrators for more than three hours on Saturday afternoon.

Terrified shoppers locked themselves inside stores and cafes as they tried to avoid the fighting.

More than 30 people were arrested as police struggled to prevent the protests spilling over.

Members of the English Defence League, who had travelled from Luton and Bristol, held up signs reading: “Islamic Extremists Out” and “Make Britain Safe”.

They met in the Figure of Eight pub in Broad Street at 12.30pm where they began drinking pints of beer.

They sang the national anthem and Rule Britannia, as well as shouting insults against Allah and Islam.

But the protests turned nasty when the EDL reached New Street at about 2pm, where they clashed with 30 or so socialist protesters, who were holding up banners saying: “Give the EDL the red card.”

Shaven-headed men, some with bulldogs, squared up to the rival protesters before riot police intervened.

Bottles and glasses were thrown and masked men were seen wielding wooden poles.

Punches were thrown and the cops used their batons to stop the violence escalating further.

After an hour of angry skirmishes, police finally trapped around 60 EDL members in Bennetts pub in the city centre at 3.30pm, where they were held for more than an hour.

Meanwhile, a group of 60 Asian men gathered and tried to storm the premises, only being stopped by police using shields and protective headgear.

Moments later the gang re-appeared on a nearby street, throwing missiles and bricks they had picked up from a builder’s skip.

Eye-witness Sarah Edwards, who was locked in a cafe with dozens of other shoppers, said: “We suddenly saw about 200 Asian men running down the street throwing bricks.

“They came from nowhere, and were sprinting towards the pub where the EDL were.

“They wore bandanas over their faces and were shouting and screaming.

“We were so scared.

“We really feared for our lives and we had to run into the cafe so we wouldn’t get hurt.

“It’s shocking to see this on our streets.”

West Midlands Police had planned to contain the protest at Lancaster Circus at 3.30pm – but the violence in the city centre meant they did not arrive until 5pm.

Police finally shepherded the EDL from Bennetts pub into double-decker buses.

As the convoy made its way to the demo site, drunken men were seen ripping up the seats and throwing them out of the window.

Socialists shouted: “Nazi scum, out of Brum” while rival groups held placards reading: “Ban Mosques” and “No Sharia law”.

A police helicopter was deployed to monitor the protest and officers videoed the trouble.

Before the demonstration police and the city council had obtained an order allowing them to restrict “trespassing groups” in the Bullring area of the city.

They were granted permission to impose conditions on the protesters, restricting them to certain locations and a limit of 250 people.

Orders were also passed restricting the demonstrations to two locations.

A West Midlands Police spokeswoman said: “West Midlands Police can confirm that in excess of 20 people have now been arrested in two separate incidents in Birmingham city centre.

“A group of more than 20 men were arrested on a bus in Digbeth High Street.

“Police moved in to make the arrests for violent disorder shortly after 3.30pm.

“Officers have also arrested a 41 year-old male for violent disorder in Waterloo Street.”

Leisha Brookes, from the EDL, said: “We are ptotesting against Sharia Law and the acceptance by our Government of Islamic extremism.

“It is unfortunate that it has come to this but we are a mulit faith group who are just trying to protest against extremism.”

She insisted that she did not want to see any violence and that the group were not fascists.”

No-one from the socialist protest group was available for comment.

[free thinker]

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/index.html


Dont know much about them myself??

[sardonicus]

Saturday afternoon / evening race fights (asians versus Whites) are sadly becoming a regular thing on the streets of Birmingham City Centre! Many agent provocatuers at work here purposely stirring up trouble between different racial groups... it's all a psy op.

[decim]

Anyone who opposes MultKUltra mind control & the 'men' behind the curtain, are labeled 'Right Wing'.

More side-stream-media alarmism.

[bradstone]

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/index.html


Dont know much about them myself??

Me neither, but I don't really see how Asians throwing bricks at innocent shoppers helps anybody. Though I'm sure people on here would argue otherwise.

After all, if the EPL are agent provacateurs, then that makes it okay for Muslims to attack innocent people. Such is the 'independent thinking' on here.

[gilly]

Me neither, but I don't really see how Asians throwing bricks at innocent shoppers helps anybody. Though I'm sure people on here would argue otherwise.

After all, if the EPL are agent provacateurs, then that makes it okay for Muslims to attack innocent people. Such is the 'independent thinking' on here.

Says who exactly? Please show me the quote of anyone on this thread having taken that stance.

The article's about two sets of dickheads playing right into the NWO's hands, to the detriment of themselves and EVERYBODY! :mad:

[meet my maker]

See video here-> http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-news/2009/09/05/anti-fascists-clash-with-right-wing-protesters-in-birmingham-97319-24615373/



More than 30 people were arrested as police struggled to prevent the protests spilling over.



Maybe 33 perhaps?;) Masons in the WMP cough,cough.



Saturday 9 August 2009
Police in Birmingham have arrested 33 people during a demonstration against Islamic fundamentalism and counter-protest by anti-fascists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8191833.stm

Saturday 17 August 2008
Police have been continuing to question 33 people arrested following protests at a British National Party (BNP) festival in Derbyshire.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/7565354.stm

[cpfc12]

Maybe 33 perhaps?;) Masons in the WMP cough,cough.



Saturday 9 August 2009
Police in Birmingham have arrested 33 people during a demonstration against Islamic fundamentalism and counter-protest by anti-fascists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8191833.stm

Saturday 17 August 2008
Police have been continuing to question 33 people arrested following protests at a British National Party (BNP) festival in Derbyshire.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/7565354.stm

You can't really believe the police constables and sergeants are really going to understand the importance of numbers in masonic terms, or that they will actually find it a bit suspiscious if they were told by their superiours to arrest only 33 people hmmmm

[meet my maker]

Take in 40 charge 33 easy enough,Quota filled.

[cpfc12]

Take in 40 charge 33 easy enough,Quota filled.

Again i doubt the booking sargent would be aware of the significance of this number, maybe you are right,but i just doubt it.

[meet my maker]

Again i doubt the booking sargent would be aware of the significance of this number, maybe you are right,but i just doubt it.

Maybe you are to young to remember the relationship that the freemasons have with the West Midlands Police.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmhaff/467/46703.htm


http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmhaff/467/467ap11.htm

They still hold great influence in the Midlands.

[rydeon]

Says who exactly? Please show me the quote of anyone on this thread having taken that stance.

The article's about two sets of dickheads playing right into the NWO's hands, to the detriment of themselves and EVERYBODY! :mad:

Maybe, maybe not. This kind of thing has been brewing up since the mass immigration of the 50s and 60s. People are wired how they are wired.

On the NWO orchestration....
Well that's your opinion, but I don't think every action done by two sets of cultures is somehow planned and unleashed by the NWO. They might wield power, but they aren't gods either.

In fact I'd go as far as stating that blaming the NWO on things that DI disagree's with sets a dangerous precedent for apathy and narrow-views of the big picture imo.

[ob1kanobe0]

The article's about two sets of dickheads playing right into the NWO's hands, to the detriment of themselves and EVERYBODY! :mad:

on the flip side, its 2 sets of people angry at the version of society the nwo created. how comes david icke members aren't out on the streets protesting, scaredy cats :D

[free thinker]

Supposedly, the Latest ...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article6824059.ece

A few weeks ago, just after the first Muslim Uighur disturbances in China, I bumped into a weird demonstration. About fifty of the most far-out Islamic fundamentalists — men upfront, women and surly children to the rear — were passing the Chinese Embassy, shouting for sharia to be imposed in China.

I think their impulse was more theatrical than practical. They wanted to get a rise out of the locals, and I would not be at all surprised if some of their number were there in Luton in March, helping to make up the tiny group of anti-Army protesters who managed to do so much damage to community relations in such a short time. The desire was clearly to provoke.

And, of course, there are people who want nothing more than to be provoked. Out of England’s hooligan sub-culture, a venerable strain in our nation’s riotous history, came the almost inevitable response.

Updated for the cyber age, and describing themselves variously as Casuals United or the English Defence League (EDL), a group of “football supporters” set itself up to revenge the offence of Luton.


So far this group has managed to hold several demonstrations and most of them have successfully ended in violence, including Saturday’s excursion to Birmingham city centre. The point of these emanations is to attract a counter-demonstration, and create the possibility of a confrontation with Asian youths.

It is an odd characteristic of the synergy between hooligans and far-right groups, that both disclaim each other. The EDL, for example, insists that it “is nothing to do with the BNP”, its website bans “racist or Islamophobic behaviour” and a planned demonstration in the London suburbs in which it is involved gives a long list of “don’ts” to prospective marchers. Political parties, for example, are not welcome — and one doesn’t imagine that they have the Liberal Democrats in mind.

Point three, rather tellingly, proscribes “totalitarian symbols such as Nazi swastikas, Communist hammer and sickle and Islamic star and crescent — unless clearly crossed out or defaced with a stop sign”. Once again, it seems unlikely that they are worried about infiltration from Workers’ Fight or the Muslim Council of Britain.

As The Times has revealed, however, the EDL website was designed by a BNP activist, and fairly obviously BNP folk have been among those chanting “Ingerland!” “We want our country back!” and “Muslim bombers off our streets”. But they are keen to seem reasonable, at least before the fighting starts.

On Saturday a Ms Leisha Brookes argued that “if people come to our country, they should respect our laws. If an English person went to an Arab country they would be expected to dress appropriately, and all we are asking is for them to do the same.” One hopes that Ms Brookes would never be found mooning to disgusted waiters in Faliraki.

Unfortunately, behaving as the British do, last Saturday, involved getting drunk, ripping up seats and urinating on the buses to which the EDL were consigned by the police. Not that this was not a behavioural lesson in Englishness learnt by the “anti-fascist” protesters who turned up to oblige the EDL’s desire for bloodshed.

As one witness put it: “Some of the ‘protesters’ just looked like they wanted a ruck — it was pretty shocking to see.” For years now the British far Left, acting under the banner of the fabled 1936 Cable Street riots, when the British Union of Fascists were prevented from marching in the East End, have given themselves an ideological pass to incite interesting mayhem in the name of anti-fascism.

Of course, today there is no continent-wide rise of fascism, no Spanish Civil War, no Adolf or Musso, no dead Lorca, nothing indeed that would make the comparison stick. But there are young men looking for the excitement of a fight, and just now we have people willing to organise it for them.

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This times article is a joke, they are themselves stiring up trouble.:mad:


The English Defence League — A Statement from the BNP’s National Organiser
September 3, 2009 by BNP News

The British National Party has declared the “English Defence League” a proscribed organisation and it will be a disciplinary offence for any party member to be involved with that group.

Making the announcement today in a special organiser’s bulletin circulated within the party, national organiser Eddy Butler said that although the proscription had been ordered a while ago, it was being made public today because the controlled media continues to lie about the BNP and the EDL.

“Time and time again the lying media has linked the BNP with the EDL’s activities,” said Mr Butler.

“Most recently the media and the BBC Eastern regional service, in particular, lost no time in blaming the BNP when Muslim rioters attacked police in Luton.

“The BBC coverage of that event specifically said that the BNP had planned to march through Luton, and this was why the Muslims had rioted,” he said.

“This is, of course, an utter lie. The BNP does not march in the streets but rather campaigns in an ordinary democratic fashion in elections, door-to-door canvassing and leafleting,” Mr Butler continued.

“It is completely malicious and unwarranted to blame the supposed activities of organisations such as the EDL on the BNP, when there is no common ground between the two groups at all.”

The EDL has, in fact, gone out of its way to distance itself from the BNP, while the party has no interest in the sort of confrontation in which the EDL seems to seek.

In his official statement, Mr Butler said the proscription of the EDL meant that it “will be a disciplinary offence for British National Party members to associate or participate in any event or activity organised by the English Defence League or hold membership of the English Defence League.

“The reasons for this proscription are that the English Defence League, through its activities, brings nationalist and patriotic politics into disrepute. If the English Defence League is not instigated by and its activities are not encouraged by the state (which it quite possibly is), then the track record of this organisation shows that it is run by people who will only bring discredit and probable arrest for anyone who attends its events.

“The British National Party does not wish to be associated with the English Defence League in any way whatsoever.” Mr Butler’s circular ended with a request for any party official who becomes aware of any member who breaks this rule to report such incidents to elections@bnp.org.uk

[mrerisian]

You can't really believe the police constables and sergeants are really going to understand the importance of numbers in masonic terms, or that they will actually find it a bit suspiscious if they were told by their superiours to arrest only 33 people hmmmm

They messed with the figures last time there were riots in Birmingham. I remember because I reacted in the same way as you and ended up having to chow down on a wee bit of humble pie afterward. I'm not sure where the thread is.

[gilly]

Maybe, maybe not. This kind of thing has been brewing up since the mass immigration of the 50s and 60s. People are wired how they are wired.

On the NWO orchestration....
Well that's your opinion, but I don't think every action done by two sets of cultures is somehow planned and unleashed by the NWO. They might wield power, but they aren't gods either.

In fact I'd go as far as stating that blaming the NWO on things that DI disagree's with sets a dangerous precedent for apathy and narrow-views of the big picture imo.

Frankly, I'm not influenced by what DI disagrees with Rydeon.

I've expressed the opinion many times that the tptb have deliberately orchestrated the events that we're now seeing unfold. The purpose of the lax immigration laws, with people competing for jobs and numbers claiming benefits rising etc, has been for the sole purpose of creating tension between races.

Apathy my arse (no offence). The only way I can see of thwarting them, is for us all to see through it and stick together. Hoying bricks at each other in the street is the exact divide & conquer scenario they wanted! Only the stupid would comply. They won't need to round as many up if we go ahead & wipe each other out for them! In fact, if this escalates, what better excuse for the introduction of martial law? :mad:

[hagbard_celine]

The article's about two sets of dickheads playing right into the NWO's hands, to the detriment of themselves and EVERYBODY! :mad:

That's it! Divide-and-Rule plus Problem-Reaction-Solution. The new Far Right in Britain are such a blatent and unsubtle example of this kind of psyop that I'm frankly surprised so many people have fallen for it:(, even among those who have studied the NWO's tactics and understand them to a certain extent:rolleyes:.:(