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rodin
06-09-2009, 01:44 PM
LONDON (AP) - A vintage train carrying Holocaust survivors pulled into London on Friday, ending a three-day trip across Europe that marked the 70th anniversary of their extraordinary rescue by a young British stockbroker.
Waiting to greet them at London's Liverpool Street Station was Nicholas Winton, age 100, who organized the rail "kindertransports" that carried hundreds of mostly Jewish children from Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia to safety in 1939.

The steam train carried 170 people, including about two dozen survivors of the evacuations and members of their families.

Winton, frail and leaning on a stick, shook hands with the former evacuees as they stepped off the train from Prague.

"It's wonderful to see you all after 70 years," he said. "Don't leave it quite so long until we meet here again."

Other Holocaust survivors had gathered at the station to meet the train.

"It's amazing. It happened so many years ago yet I remember it so vividly," said Otto Deutsch, 81, who lives in Southend, southern England. "I never saw my parents again or my sister. My parents were shot and what they did with my sister I really don't want to know."

In late 1938, Winton, a 29-year-old clerk at the London Stock Exchange, had traveled to what was then Czechoslovakia at the invitation of a friend working at the British Embassy.

Alarmed by the influx of refugees from the Sudetenland region recently annexed by Germany, Winton immediately began organizing a way to get Jewish children out of the country. He feared, correctly, that Czechoslovakia soon would be invaded by the Nazis and Jewish residents would be sent to concentration camps.

Winton persuaded British officials to accept the children, as long as foster homes could be found, and set about fundraising and organizing the trip. He arranged eight trains that carried 669 mostly Jewish children through Germany to Britain in the months before the outbreak of World War II.

The youngsters were sent to foster homes in England, and a few to Sweden. None saw their parents again.

The largest evacuation was scheduled for Sept. 3, 1939, the day that Britain declared war on Germany. That ninth train was never allowed to leave Prague, and almost none of the 250 children trying to flee that day survived the war.

Winton's story did not emerge until 1988, when his wife found correspondence referring to the prewar events.

"My wife didn't know about it for 40 years after our marriage, but there are all kinds of things you don't talk about even with your family," Winton said in 1999. "Everything that happened before the war actually didn't feel important in the light of the war itself."

Winton's wife persuaded him to have his story officially documented. A film about Winton's heroism won an International Emmy Award in 2002, and then-Prime Minister Tony Blair praised him as "Britain's Schindler," after the German businessman Oskar Schindler, who also saved Jewish lives during the war.

Winton rejected the comparison and the description of himself as a hero. Unlike Schindler, he said, his life had never been in danger.

He has been knighted by Queen Elizabeth II and honored in the Czech Republic. A statue of Winton was unveiled at Prague's central station before the train left on Tuesday.

The passengers traveled from Prague to The Netherlands in vintage German and Hungarian railway coaches pulled by 1930s steam locomotives. After crossing the North Sea by ferry—just like they did 70 years ago—they completed the journey in a refurbished British steam train.

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rodin
06-09-2009, 01:45 PM
Nicholas Winton was born to parents of German-Jewish origin.[2] In 1907, the family moved from Germany to Hampstead, England, and changed its name from Wertheimer to Winton. In 1923, he transferred to Stowe School, which had just opened.[3] He left without matriculating, attending night school while volunteering at the Military Bank. Some time later he left for Hamburg where he began to work at Behrens Bank, and then for Wasserman Bank in Berlin.[2] In 1931, he left for France where he worked for the Banque Nationale de Crédit in Paris and earned a banking qualification. After his return to London he worked as a stockbroker.
[edit]Humanitarian work

Before Christmas 1938, Winton was about to fly to Switzerland for a ski vacation when he decided to travel to Prague instead to help a friend who was involved in Jewish refugee work.[2] There he singlehandledy established an organization to aid Jewish children from Czechoslovakia separated from their families by the Nazis. He set up an office at a dining room table in his hotel in Wenceslas Square.[4] In November 1938, shortly after Kristallnacht, the British House of Commons had approved a measure that would permit the entry of refugees younger than 17 years old into England if they had a place to stay and a warranty of 50 pounds sterling was deposited for a return ticket for their eventual return to their country of origin.[5] Winton found homes for 669 children, many of whose parents perished in Auschwitz.[6] Throughout the summer, he placed advertisements seeking families to take them in. The last group, which left Prague on 3 September 1939, was sent back because the Nazis had invaded Poland, marking the start of World War II.[6]
Winton kept his humanitarian exploits under wraps for many years until his wife Greta found a detailed scrapbook in the attic in 1988.[7] The scrapbook contained lists of the children, including their parents' names, and the names and addresses of the families that took them in. After sending letters to these addresses, 80 of "Winton's children" were found in Britain.[7] The world found out about Winton's work in 1988 on a television programme titled That's Life when Winton was invited to be an audience member. At one point during the programme Winton's scrap book was shown, and his achievements explained. The host of the programme then asked if there was anyone in the audience who owed their lives to Winton and if so to stand - at which point over 2 dozen audience members surrounding Winton rose and applauded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Winton

nambo
06-09-2009, 06:09 PM
The Kinder Transport is not a "Holohoax" Rodin, but a study of it does reveal a Holohoax else where.
Namely, if the Nazis wanted to wipe Jews off the face of the Earth, how come children survived on a Kinder Transport, for whilst the British like to pat themselves on the back for offloading Jewish children at this end of the line, how come they where allowed to get on the trains by the muderous Nazis at the other end?

Fom what Ive read the Germans wanted the childrens parents to come along with them as well, the British said no.

The Germans wanted to send every Jewish child, along with thier families, that they could find, the British restricted the number to just a few hundred.

Whats more, the British wanted £50, (a lot of money back then) from the Germans to look after each individual child.

So it seems The Kinder Transport supports the view that the Germans just wanted the Jews out of thier country in the same way that Britain herself has in her past, not to exterminate them, and that they where willing to spend money to do this.
That the Britsih where no where near the Jew resucing heros they like to make out.

astrochicken
06-09-2009, 07:05 PM
The Kinder Transport is not a "Holohoax" Rodin, but a study of it does reveal a Holohoax else where.
Namely, if the Nazis wanted to wipe Jews off the face of the Earth, how come children survived on a Kinder Transport, for whilst the British like to pat themselves on the back for offloading Jewish children at this end of the line, how come they where allowed to get on the trains by the muderous Nazis at the other end?

Fom what Ive read the Germans wanted the childrens parents to come along with them as well, the British said no.

The Germans wanted to send every Jewish child, along with thier families, that they could find, the British restricted the number to just a few hundred.

Whats more, the British wanted £50, (a lot of money back then) from the Germans to look after each individual child.

So it seems The Kinder Transport supports the view that the Germans just wanted the Jews out of thier country in the same way that Britain herself has in her past, not to exterminate them, and that they where willing to spend money to do this.
That the Britsih where no where near the Jew resucing heros they like to make out.


Very true.

The germans stated publicly on many occasions that they wanted "the jews" out of germany.. in fact there was also the "Haavara agreement" from August 1933 which went in to specifics as regards the emigration of german jews to Israel and their compensation in german goods for anything they left behind.

They just wanted them out of the country. Period.

leviathanstaar
06-09-2009, 08:25 PM
lol @ a young british stockbroker.

Maybe it was a bloodline name too come to save the day!

haha

rodin
06-09-2009, 08:56 PM
lol @ a young british stockbroker.

Maybe it was a bloodline name too come to save the day!

haha

Before Christmas 1938, Winton was about to fly to Switzerland for a ski vacation when he decided to travel to Prague instead to help a friend who was involved in Jewish refugee work.[2] There he singlehandledy established an organization to aid Jewish children from Czechoslovakia separated from their families by the Nazis.

And his wife did not know until 1987

Looks like we have a German policy of forced (or encouraged) emigration papered over with 'escape' and 'remarkable Jewish heroism'

Was the last train stopped in that case?

rodin
06-09-2009, 08:59 PM
The Kinder Transport is not a "Holohoax" Rodin, but a study of it does reveal a Holohoax else where.
Namely, if the Nazis wanted to wipe Jews off the face of the Earth, how come children survived on a Kinder Transport, for whilst the British like to pat themselves on the back for offloading Jewish children at this end of the line, how come they where allowed to get on the trains by the muderous Nazis at the other end?

Fom what Ive read the Germans wanted the childrens parents to come along with them as well, the British said no.

The Germans wanted to send every Jewish child, along with thier families, that they could find, the British restricted the number to just a few hundred.

Whats more, the British wanted £50, (a lot of money back then) from the Germans to look after each individual child.

So it seems The Kinder Transport supports the view that the Germans just wanted the Jews out of thier country in the same way that Britain herself has in her past, not to exterminate them, and that they where willing to spend money to do this.
That the Britsih where no where near the Jew resucing heros they like to make out.

Churchill was (at least earlier) anti Bolshevick but pro Zionist. Perhaps he and the Zionists wanted the German Jews to escape by another route.

iq_145
06-09-2009, 09:10 PM
Fom what Ive read the Germans wanted the childrens parents to come along with them as well, the British said no.

The Germans wanted to send every Jewish child, along with thier families, that they could find, the British restricted the number to just a few hundred.

Whats more, the British wanted £50, (a lot of money back then) from the Germans to look after each individual child.

So it seems The Kinder Transport supports the view that the Germans just wanted the Jews out of thier country in the same way that Britain herself has in her past, not to exterminate them, and that they where willing to spend money to do this.
That the Britsih where no where near the Jew resucing heros they like to make out.

Yes, the "final solution" was undoubtedly to boot them out, as they have been booted out of so many civilisations throughout history ... and for exactly the same old things.

dolores1
06-09-2009, 09:43 PM
How about seeding Zionists!

tyler
06-09-2009, 10:28 PM
God will they ever shut the fuck up about their bloody so-called holocaust.
It's in the news every bleedin' day.
We are not reminded every day about the Rwanda genocide where a few million Tutsis or Hutus were slaughtered while the world did nothing.
We are not constantly bombarded with memories of the Irish Potato Famine, The Armenian Holocaust, Dresden, The one and half million German POWs starved to death by the Americans at the end of the war. the 30 million Russians who died in the war, the 45 million Russians who died at the hands of the Zionist puppet Stalin, the Cambodian massacres where millions died, the massacre of Chinese communists in Indonesia sanctioned by Kissinger in the sixties, etc, etc.
Shut the fuck up!!

tyler
06-09-2009, 10:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwDSMGJzr8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidicke.com%2Fforum%2Fshow thread.php%3Fp%3D1249165%26posted%3D1&feature=player_embedded

rodin
06-09-2009, 11:04 PM
God will they ever shut the fuck up about their bloody so-called holocaust.
It's in the news every bleedin' day.
We are not reminded every day about the Rwanda genocide where a few million Tutsis or Hutus were slaughtered while the world did nothing.
We are not constantly bombarded with memories of the Irish Potato Famine, The Armenian Holocaust, Dresden, The one and half million German POWs starved to death by the Americans at the end of the war. the 30 million Russians who died in the war, the 45 million Russians who died at the hands of the Zionist puppet Stalin, the Cambodian massacres where millions died, the massacre of Chinese communists in Indonesia sanctioned by Kissinger in the sixties, etc, etc.
Shut the fuck up!!

Yes, but these HAPPENED.