MILK: just how safe is it?

[alchemiser]

Second atempt at warning of the dangers of milk, more info & easier to read this time. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYpafipJyDE


http://www.westonaprice.org/transition/dairy.html
MILK: TO DRINK OR NOT TO DRINK?

Considering how modern commercial milk is produced and processed, it's no wonder that millions of Americans are allergic to it. An allergic reaction to dairy can cause symptoms like diarrhea, vomiting (even projectile vomiting), stomach pain, cramping, gas, bloating, nausea, headaches, sinus and chest congestion, and a sore, or scratchy throat. Milk consumption has been linked to many other health conditions as well, such as asthma, atherosclerosis, diabetes, chronic infections (especially upper respiratory and ear infections), obesity, osteoporosis and cancer of the prostate, ovaries, breast and colon.

Once you understand how modern milk is produced and processed, it seems logical to just avoid it altogether. But Real Milk--full-fat, unprocessed milk from pasture-fed cows--contains vital nutrients like fat-soluble vitamins A and D, calcium, vitamin B6, B12, and CLA (conjugated linoleic acid, a fatty acid naturally occurring in grass-fed beef and milk that reduces body fat and protects against cancer). Real milk is a source of complete protein and is loaded with enzymes. Raw milk contains beneficial bacteria that protect against pathogens and contribute to a healthy flora in the intestines. Culturing milk greatly enhances its probiotic and enzyme content, making it a therapeutic food for our digestive system and overall health.


http://www.realmilk.com/rawvpasteur.html
Raw Milk Vs. Pasteurized Milk

There is no substitute for clean, raw milk as a food, so far as children are concerned. Science has not yet succeeded in providing, in the pasteurized variety, those essential qualities that are the only real foundation for a healthy child.

Unfortunately, many grossly distorted statements are current regarding our milk supply. If we are to believe the protagonists of the Pasteurization-of-all-milk-at-all costs Party, raw milk is as good, or rather as bad, as rat poison-although as the Minister of Agriculture recently stated, "the human race existed long before Pasteur was heard of."

The process of pasteurization was debated in the House of Commons and the suggestion made that no raw milk should be sold for human consumption. This would mean installation of expensive machinery by every supplier, and if it should become compulsory there is little doubt that many small firms would shut down and the business pass in the hands of a few big dealers.


http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html
WELL, AT LEAST COW'S MILK IS PURE

Or is it? Fifty years ago an average cow produced 2,000 pounds of milk per year. Today the top producers give 50,000 pounds! How was this accomplished? Drugs, antibiotics, hormones, forced feeding plans and specialized breeding; that's how.

The latest high-tech onslaught on the poor cow is bovine growth hormone or BGH. This genetically engineered drug is supposed to stimulate milk production but, according to Monsanto, the hormone's manufacturer, does not affect the milk or meat. There are three other manufacturers: Upjohn,
Eli Lilly, and American Cyanamid Company. Obviously, there have been no long-term studies on the hormone's effect on the humans drinking the milk. Other countries have banned BGH because of safety concerns. One of the problems with adding molecules to a milk cows' body is that the molecules
usually come out in the milk. I don't know how you feel, but I don't want to experiment with the ingestion of a growth hormone. A related problem is that it causes a marked increase (50 to 70 per cent) in mastitis. This, then,
requires antibiotic therapy, and the residues of the antibiotics appear in the milk. It seems that the public is uneasy about this product and in one survey 43 per cent felt that growth hormone treated milk represented a health risk.
A vice president for public policy at Monsanto was opposed to labeling for that reason, and because the labeling would create an 'artificial distinction'. The country is awash with milk as it is, we produce more milk than we can
consume. Let's not create storage costs and further taxpayer burdens, because the law requires the USDA to buy any surplus of butter, cheese, or non-fat dry milk at a support price set by Congress! In fiscal 1991, the USDA spent $757 million on surplus butter, and one billion dollars a year on
average for price supports during the 1980s (Consumer Reports, May 1992: 330-32).

Any lactating mammal excretes toxins through her milk. This includes antibiotics, pesticides, chemicals and hormones. Also, all cows' milk contains blood! The inspectors are simply asked to keep it under certain limits. You may be horrified to learn that the USDA allows milk to contain from
one to one and a half million white blood cells per millilitre. (That's only 1/30 of an ounce). If you don't already know this, I'm sorry to tell you that another way to describe white cells where they don't belong would be to
call them pus cells. To get to the point, is milk pure or is it a chemical, biological, and bacterial cocktail? Finally, will the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) protect you? The United States General Accounting Office (GAO) tells us that the FDA and the individual States are failing to protect the public from drug residues in milk. Authorities test for only 4 of the 82 drugs in dairy cows.

[the loner]

I agree some what in that the average person does not need milk or dairy products to have healthy nutrition.

The western world is full of lazy, fat paper pushers. The less protein and calories in general for them, the better.

That being said, for us individuals who lead extremely physically demanding lives (hard physical labourers, hardcore weightlifters, strongmen, bodybuilders, etc.) milk is a must have.

The above people require about 1 gram of protein for every pound of body weight and about 20 calories per each pound of body weight in order to achieve their physical goals.

The best way to do this is via the consumption of high levels of milk.

A 200 pound athlete would have a hard time eating 200 grams of protein or consuming 4000 calories a day, without milk.

[bendoon]

I only scanned through the article, so don't know if it was mentioned but most of the worlds population are lactose intolerant, ie they get no food energy from drinking milk.

Lactose intolerance is the inability to metabolize lactose, a sugar found in milk and other dairy products, because the required enzyme lactase is absent in the intestinal system or its availability is lowered. It is estimated that 75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during adulthood.[1] The frequency of decreased lactase activity ranges from as little as 5% in northern Europe, up to 71% for Southern Europe, to more than 90% in some African and Asian countries

So really the only people who would put weight on from drinking milk are people of Northern European descent.

[les_paul_robot]

Milk? How can anyone drink that shit? Grown cows don't.

[metacomet]

Very informative article, really heavy in content though, ouch. Short attention span wins again.

When cow milk containing pus became popular knowledge alotttt of people were disgusted... and then they were drinking milk the next day.

Such is modern life.

[relax]

I agree some what in that the average person does not need milk or dairy products to have healthy nutrition.

The western world is full of lazy, fat paper pushers. The less protein and calories in general for them, the better.

That being said, for us individuals who lead extremely physically demanding lives (hard physical labourers, hardcore weightlifters, strongmen, bodybuilders, etc.) milk is a must have.

The above people require about 1 gram of protein for every pound of body weight and about 20 calories per each pound of body weight in order to achieve their physical goals.

The best way to do this is via the consumption of high levels of milk.

A 200 pound athlete would have a hard time eating 200 grams of protein or consuming 4000 calories a day, without milk.

Bullshit, it looks like your referring to it as a mixer for protein shakes in which case water is MUCH better. Even if you cant hack the taste of it with water, try with almond milk.

[alchemiser]

I agree some what in that the average person does not need milk or dairy products to have healthy nutrition.

The western world is full of lazy, fat paper pushers. The less protein and calories in general for them, the better.

That being said, for us individuals who lead extremely physically demanding lives (hard physical labourers, hardcore weightlifters, strongmen, bodybuilders, etc.) milk is a must have.

The above people require about 1 gram of protein for every pound of body weight and about 20 calories per each pound of body weight in order to achieve their physical goals.

The best way to do this is via the consumption of high levels of milk.

A 200 pound athlete would have a hard time eating 200 grams of protein or consuming 4000 calories a day, without milk.

No human being needs cows milk!

Goats milk is much easier on the human body as is Sheep's milk but most of what is available in the shops is pasteurized which is really bad & mustn't forget the antibiotics which not only destroys the flora inside your bowels but leaves more susceptible to MRSA :eek:

If you must have some form of milk then please look into RAW milk !

http://www.realmilk.com/rawvpasteur.html

Just so you know loner, i am a organic soya milk drinking vegetarian who enjoys doing weight training as well as 20+ mile bike rides & i feel great. :D

[alchemiser]

I only scanned through the article, so don't know if it was mentioned but most of the worlds population are lactose intolerant, ie they get no food energy from drinking milk.

Lactose intolerance is the inability to metabolize lactose, a sugar found in milk and other dairy products, because the required enzyme lactase is absent in the intestinal system or its availability is lowered. It is estimated that 75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during adulthood.[1] The frequency of decreased lactase activity ranges from as little as 5% in northern Europe, up to 71% for Southern Europe, to more than 90% in some African and Asian countries

So really the only people who would put weight on from drinking milk are people of Northern European descent.

Thanks bendoon :)

No the report didn't go into the Lactose intolerance issue which a real pity so i've changed the original post to add extra info plus found a great video on youtube.

Unfortunately i believe the numbers for the rest of the world are changing fast as they've now got the same milk processing as us.

[alchemiser]

Milk? How can anyone drink that shit? Grown cows don't.

Couldn't have said it better :cool:

Now all we've got to do is convince everyone else on the planet :confused:

[alchemiser]

Very informative article, really heavy in content though, ouch. Short attention span wins again.

When cow milk containing pus became popular knowledge alotttt of people were disgusted... and then they were drinking milk the next day.

Such is modern life.

Hope the new layout of the OP works better now metacomet. :)

Only when people become ill do they begin to listen to us but even then it's only 50/50 if they follow their doctors advice or look up the truth for themselves like we keep ranting at them to do. :rolleyes:

[curtaincat]

see, this is why most people disagree with me. because i love milk. i will drink milk till the cows come home.

milk always makes me better if i feel a bit sick or something.

sorry everyone but i love milk.

who consumes honey? ( it was only recently19th century, that some guy invented beehives, otherwise we would not have honey)

i love honey, too.
:)
now, this is an interesting thought... who was the first one to talk about "The Land of Milk and Honey" ?

wowee, that just came to me, i didn't even think of it myself. wow!

hope i am not derailing this thread, major bowing down and sorries if i did, but ... jmho... and new thoughts.


MILK IT if you will.

[coldinsomnia]

Just so you know loner, i am a organic soya milk drinking vegetarian who enjoys doing weight training as well as 20+ mile bike rides & i feel great. :D


I don't have time to find any sources for you right now but I am quite sure that soya milk is very bad for you.

Have you tried rice milk? I think it's absolutely delicious!

[chattanova]

Here is a huge thread Milk: The Deadly Poison http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9210

[bsmurph83]

I don't have time to find any sources for you right now but I am quite sure that soya milk is very bad for you.

Have you tried rice milk? I think it's absolutely delicious!

3 cheers for rice milk.

fuck yes!

don't drink cow's piss anymore, for about the last year. i get less mucous now.

hell, grown up cows don't drink it... why do we?

EDIT: no offence intended to anyone who does still drink it !

[motleyhoo]

If you drink milk, and it is not from an organic source that you trust, then you are drinking all of the drugs that they give cows, you are drinking all of the chemicals that are in the processed feed that they give cows now, and you are drinking cortisol and other harmful chemicals generated inside the cows because of the misery and stress they live in.

But even worse, modern milk production with its steroids, antibiotics, and other chemicals has resulted in milk that is devoid of good bacteria and full of bad bacteria that has become more and more resistant to the drugs they give the animals. That is why conventional milk has a short shelf life, and why the shelf life is getting shorter and shorter over time. IMO, you would have to be insane to drink that crap.

People who think they feel better after drinking milk probably do, because that's what steroids do.

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[accuracy]

Milk was never ever suitable for human consumption.

This is why there's SO many health problems of the general brainwashed public relating to milk. Of course, your doctor won't tell you this.

[accuracy]

It's another step of the "depopulation" program and
thank fuck, i'm not part of it.:)

[jayhow]

No human being needs cows milk!

Goats milk is much easier on the human body as is Sheep's milk but most of what is available in the shops is pasteurized which is really bad & mustn't forget the antibiotics which not only destroys the flora inside your bowels but leaves more susceptible to MRSA :eek:

If you must have some form of milk then please look into RAW milk !

http://www.realmilk.com/rawvpasteur.html

Just so you know loner, i am a organic soya milk drinking vegetarian who enjoys doing weight training as well as 20+ mile bike rides & i feel great. :D

I gave up drinking cows milk about 6 years ago after being advised by a homopath that i was allergic to it. I had been suffering from recurrent throat, ear and sinus infections for about 2 years, and by recurrent i mean about every 6 weeks. It was so bad i had to be referred to the hospital to see an ENT specilist who ran numerous tests but in the end couldnt find anything. In desperation, i went to a homopath who was recommended to me by a friend, they ran a few food tolerance tests on me and concluded that I should eliminate dairy from my diet for 6 months, then gradually reintroduced things. So I did this,and started slowly brining things back in over a number of weeks. I was fine until i started drinking cows milk and then after only a few days, all my symptoms came flooding back. So I eliminated it agin and lo and behold I was fine again. So now I have Organic Soya milk and am still symptom free.:D

[hatsoff]

milk is for babies

breast milk for people babies
cow milk for cow babies

simple as that.

milk can be processed though - yoghurt/cheese etc and then you can eat it, but only if from the goat/cow in your own backyard that has been fed naturally and not pumped with drugs.

and for those who argue that we need the calcium etc from milk - eat vegetables! especially dark greens

the body stops being able to digest milk when you are weaned. the enzyme needed to digest stops being produced and thats when you wean

[bobbydiva]

any place to buy raw milk online?

[curtaincat]

well, so what if we die from milk. scaredy cats! it is only your belief and believing crap from video's. if you believe in death, then who cares what you die of ?

oh deary me, i died of milk. let it be written on your gravestone: "Here lies Hatsoff, he didn't drink milk, he died of fear. "

this is crazy talk. being scared of everything under the sun.


why is everyone so scared ....... ooooh , milk, eeeek, being poisoned...

the thing you should be looking at is death. not the "cause " of it.

ok, back to my milkshake and my smoke now

once again, why do i bother? like Krusty the clown says, its because i love, but he was lying. lol

well, nobody listens to me anyway so... have fun being scared.
someone said 'love casts out fear' or you can have one or the other.
so choose love or fear. OMMMM

[metacomet]

milk is for babies


When asked by someone in the crowd during 'Pumping Iron' if he drank alot of milk, Arnold Schwarzenegger said "Milk is for babies... when you're grown up, you drink beer."

So apparently, even the greatest bodybuilder of all time would rather drink high calorie, estrogen increasing beer than mess with milk - which astronomically increases estrogen in the body (terrible for building muscle) and is super high in fat content.

[the loner]

So you think all the old time strongmen had blenders to mix their french vanilla protein powder with?


Bullshit, it looks like your referring to it as a mixer for protein shakes in which case water is MUCH better. Even if you cant hack the taste of it with water, try with almond milk.

[the loner]

I agree with you on the raw milk - much better for you.

It's easier to get your hands on crystal meth than raw milk - says something about our society.....


However, soy products are utter garbage for male athletes, why? Because it is a proven fact that soy decreases testosterone levels.



No human being needs cows milk!

Goats milk is much easier on the human body as is Sheep's milk but most of what is available in the shops is pasteurized which is really bad & mustn't forget the antibiotics which not only destroys the flora inside your bowels but leaves more susceptible to MRSA :eek:

If you must have some form of milk then please look into RAW milk !

http://www.realmilk.com/rawvpasteur.html

Just so you know loner, i am a organic soya milk drinking vegetarian who enjoys doing weight training as well as 20+ mile bike rides & i feel great. :D

[motleyhoo]

any place to buy raw milk online?

I don't think you can buy it online, but you can search for a farm near you that sells raw milk "For Animal Use Only" and go pick some up.

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[aronia]

Walter Veith - Udderly Amazing

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=9014552245997479572&hl=en

LINK (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=9014552245997479572&hl=en)

I really recommend you watch this.

[relax]

So you think all the old time strongmen had blenders to mix their french vanilla protein powder with?

Depends how old you mean by 'old time'. Although even with that I dont see the point you're trying to make.

[the loner]

India's Great Gama for example.

He was India's greatest wrestler ever and went on to utterly destroy many "unbeatable" European wrestlers.

Gama drank up to 5 gallons(20 litres) of milk each day.

Point is, milk was central to "fueling and keeping" the gains they busted their asses for.

Protein is the building blocks of muscle, and the easiest way to get protein (w/o supps!) is via lots of milk.






Depends how old you mean by 'old time'. Although even with that I dont see the point you're trying to make.

[suicidal_martyr]

Not saying I don't drink milk but here is something I have thought about. I wonder if milk is bad for you as you get older, as in the animal kingdom they do not keep drinking milk when they grow? Or maybe cow milk is a metaphoric statement of the elite saying we are cattle? because we drink milk...or we are infants for that matter? This make anyone think?

[relax]

India's Great Gama for example.

He was India's greatest wrestler ever and went on to utterly destroy many "unbeatable" European wrestlers.

Gama drank up to 5 gallons(20 litres) of milk each day.

Point is, milk was central to "fueling and keeping" the gains they busted their asses for.

Protein is the building blocks of muscle, and the easiest way to get protein (w/o supps!) is via lots of milk.

Pretty disgusting considering the facts presented in this vid.

The easiest way without lots of milk? Well tuna & chicken worked best for me and seeing as they have over twice the protein content I dont see any logic in drinking all that milk.

[relax]

Not saying I don't drink milk but here is something I have thought about. I wonder if milk is bad for you as you get older, as in the animal kingdom they do not keep drinking milk when they grow? Or maybe cow milk is a metaphoric statement of the elite saying we are cattle? because we drink milk...or we are infants for that matter? This make anyone think?

Not really, considering its covered in the video :).

[gods sun]

i remmember we got milk straight from cow and drank it warm couldnt have better milk ever and then you realise what crap where drinking.

[motleyhoo]

India's Great Gama for example.

He was India's greatest wrestler ever and went on to utterly destroy many "unbeatable" European wrestlers.

Gama drank up to 5 gallons(20 litres) of milk each day.

Point is, milk was central to "fueling and keeping" the gains they busted their asses for.

Protein is the building blocks of muscle, and the easiest way to get protein (w/o supps!) is via lots of milk.

And no doubt by the time he was 50 his veins looked like the drain pipes in a 100 year old house.

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[bandoogiemanz]

Hello all. This is my first post here on this forum, but I've been aware of David Icke for some time now. Seems like a great fellow, and very informed. I am trying to live a fit lifestyle. I was never one to work out, but now I am approaching the dreaded 30, and I want to start now, before it becomes even more difficult to get and stay healthy. I have been following a diet book that encourages the consumption of milk. I have seen and read info that says milk is harmful to consume, so I am confused as to whether I should keep it in my diet. I do like soy milk, but I have seen a few posters here claim soy milk is bad. I guess I'm just looking for some advice. Is organic 2% milk also another possibility?Thanks.

[boots]

G'day bandoogiemanz

Welcome to the forum:)

I started a thread about the pro's and cons of Milk. You might want to look at that for a balanced perspective.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55746

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[bsmurph83]

ya know what, bandoogiemanz, i haven't drunk milk in over a year and i'll be damned if i'm any the worse for wear.

when people ask whether they 'need' certain foods, i'm tempted to point out the historical cases of Inedia; where people do not consume food for periods that 'should' kill them. THerese Neumann didn't eat anything except water for 40 odd years and somehow GAINED wait. Hira Ratan Manek is one who has been rigorously tested under controlled conditions, going months and months without doing anything except drinking water and deriving his energy from the sun, apparently. so go figure. food is overrated in general it seems :D

back to milk, the whole 'cow pus' thing put me off milk. some people are better off without it.

[the loner]

He lived to be 71, which is incredible for someone born in the 19th century living in a 3rd world country.



And no doubt by the time he was 50 his veins looked like the drain pipes in a 100 year old house.

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