Girlgye in custody

[pleasuredome]

just had a text saying that Girlgye is in custody in southport. that's all the info i know. if anyone who is in the area can help, please do.

[yozhik]

watching for developments with interest ...

[rosix]

stay strong girl, my thoughts are with you

[merlincove]

i'm sure she'll be ok, she has a strong character and won't be taking any crap from anyone.

Be good to see you on here again, soon G :D

[wakeupworld]

You sort them out Girleye.

[bones]

just had a text saying that Girlgye is in custody in southport. that's all the info i know. if anyone who is in the area can help, please do.

have i missed sumthing here? what has she been detained for?

[wildhorse]

fuck knows but the cops will try get something on her...they dont like strong wimmen, spesh when they know their rights and more about the law than they do.

mabes its about her de-reg car and she told them a few things they should know..

stay strong girl...rooting for ya!!! ;)

[smoke n mirrors]

I thought there may have been some news by now.

Maybe we need to start a support group or something, to help people out in situations like this.

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[boots]

I hope that you will be alright grilgye.

All the best honey, give'm the works. Sue their asses off.

If anyone can give us more updates. I'd appreciate it.

Hapeus Corpus??

They can not legally hold a body.

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[pleasuredome]

have i missed sumthing here? what has she been detained for?

i dont know yet. will be speaking to her within the next hour

[merlincove]

i dont know yet. will be speaking to her within the next hour

Nice one pleasuredome, please give her my best and from all here :D

[comma berenices]

Were all behind you girlyguy,hoping for an update soon.

[bones]

anyone who dont know whats going on this was posted on thinkfreeforums.org

as i didnt know whats going on i had to dig around there...

Hi guys, I got a call from Girlgye just now, she was sitting in her automobile being harrassed by a cop for not having insurance or registration...he took the phone off her and I informed him that he needed to quote the specific law that gives him the authority that he claimed...he just said 'Road Traffic Act', which I reminded him only applies to persons...he was very adrenalined-up and asked me my legal qualification, to which I replied 'what does that have to do with you?' He then said that he doesn't need to deal with me any more, and then backup arrived...

Girlgye just wanted me to let you know, because it looks like she's been arrested...I told her to try and see through the intimidatory tactics and stick to her guns, but she was very flustered, understandably...let's just hope she is released immediately...thoughts and prayers folks, thoughts and prayers...

end quote....

[disorder2k8]

ive been worried about freeman stuff lately, I talked to a lawyer in the local courts here and he said that refusing to do certain things, like give your name is perverting the course of justice.

I also asked him about statues and common law and the answer he gave was a lot different to the freeman peeps on this forum.

[number_6]

ive been worried about freeman stuff lately, I talked to a lawyer in the local courts here and he said that refusing to do certain things, like give your name is perverting the course of justice.

I also asked him about statues and common law and the answer he gave was a lot different to the freeman peeps on this forum.

Many times when I have expressed doubts on here about some theories put forward I am invariably shouted down, as a troll etc. But I need substantive proof that such concepts will work. Often ideas posted here are merely people repeating what they have read or heard elsewhere, without any personal experience of the matters they describe, but at the same time carrying full belief that which they describe to be fact. But unfortunately the only way to test such theories is for somebody who is in girlgye's position to continue to follow the freeman path to the bitter end, whatever the final result. Then and only then will we know if all posted here is truth or fantasy. But in this particular instance it will come down to how strong girlgye is, she has certainly never been afraid to confront me and give me a piece of her mind, but being locked up can alter the path you follow in order to be released. Nobody can blame her if she caves in. Although her and I have had a few fall-outs, I wish her well.

[the worm that turned]

ive been worried about freeman stuff lately, I talked to a lawyer in the local courts here and he said that refusing to do certain things, like give your name is perverting the course of justice.

I also asked him about statues and common law and the answer he gave was a lot different to the freeman peeps on this forum.

I am reading a lot about law and have been for a while and I am convinced that we are heading in the right direction with this. For a starters there are two types of arrest, one under statute (or PACE) and common law arrest. Why would there be two types of arrest if statute law was exactly the same as common law? It isn't.

I cannot see another explanation other than the person/man one however I think that the majority of the law society (not in the know) are convinced that statutes are equally applicable to all, as are the laws of the land (natural or common law). Why wouldn't they think this? They (probably) aren't taught the difference exactly in university etc.

There is a difference between man and person though, otherwise why all this furore and why the legal maxim:

Homo vocabulum est naturae; persona juris civilis - Man is a term of nature, person of the civil law.

Good luck Girlgye - I agree that perhaps we need a way of backing each other up on here for these very situations

[merlincove]

ive been worried about freeman stuff lately, I talked to a lawyer in the local courts here and he said that refusing to do certain things, like give your name is perverting the course of justice.

I also asked him about statues and common law and the answer he gave was a lot different to the freeman peeps on this forum.

Perverting the course of justice only applies if you have commited a crime and the officer has either a statement of fact or evidence that a crime has been commited, surely?

If you are asked your name or address and there is no evidence that you have commited a crime, ie bought harm or loss to a human being, then why is anyone 'obliged' to part with these deatails - in not doing so you are not hindering or perverting anything in any way, you are simply attending to your natural rights.

See the anti terrorist vids posted on site / you tube for more understandings of that.

And remember you are asking someone who is indoctrinate dinto the system and relies on that system.

Perverting the course of justice / breach of peace / hindering an officer in his duty / wasting police time / anti-terrorist act - these are all measures that the 'state' will try and use against you if they don't think you are a part of their team, they use such as hammers to crack a nut, because they think such will scare so much shit out of us that we will comply to their rule of oppression.

If you want to know more you'd be better asking a savvy police man / woman, pref a sergeant, or a notary public, who are more versed in common law understandings.

:D

[merlincove]

anyone who dont know whats going on this was posted on thinkfreeforums.org

as i didnt know whats going on i had to dig around there...

Hi guys, I got a call from Girlgye just now, she was sitting in her automobile being harrassed by a cop for not having insurance or registration...he took the phone off her and I informed him that he needed to quote the specific law that gives him the authority that he claimed...he just said 'Road Traffic Act', which I reminded him only applies to persons...he was very adrenalined-up and asked me my legal qualification, to which I replied 'what does that have to do with you?' He then said that he doesn't need to deal with me any more, and then backup arrived...

Girlgye just wanted me to let you know, because it looks like she's been arrested...I told her to try and see through the intimidatory tactics and stick to her guns, but she was very flustered, understandably...let's just hope she is released immediately...thoughts and prayers folks, thoughts and prayers...

end quote....

Thanks bones, appreciated.

We know girlgye doesn't take anything that she dioesn't agree with, as number 6 says, she can very much hold her own, she is a strong human being with a true cause in her heart.

i felt that it would be along the lines of corporate miss-understanding.

thoughts and prayers, like you say Bones - and mine are very much with her.

it sounds like she was under pressure from an egotised officer who wasn't going to listen to any reason. Let us hope that his superiors are a little more open to hear and understand freeman concepts and matters.

:D

[smoke n mirrors]

Humm still no word?

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[yozhik]

ive been worried about freeman stuff lately, I talked to a lawyer in the local courts here and he said that refusing to do certain things, like give your name is perverting the course of justice.


Well, he's lying and he's ignorant.

Next time he tries to bullshit you with lawyer twaddle, remind him of Rice vs. Connolly.
Then send him a bill, 'cos he obviously didn't earn his law degree and you seem to have more accurate information.

[bones]

Well, he's lying and he's ignorant.

Next time he tries to bullshit you with lawyer twaddle, remind him of Rice vs. Connolly.
Then send him a bill, 'cos he obviously didn't earn his law degree and you seem to have more accurate information.


MUHAHAHHAHAAH LOL still cracking me up matt...pls dont stop!! i beg of ya...

[tien an]

Any news on girlgye?



tian an.

[smoke n mirrors]

@ Bones,

Any updates over at thinkfree?

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[deem]

ive been worried about freeman stuff lately, I talked to a lawyer in the local courts here and he said that refusing to do certain things, like give your name is perverting the course of justice.

I also asked him about statues and common law and the answer he gave was a lot different to the freeman peeps on this forum.
He dont wanna be done out of a job. Perverting the course of justice? Its all commercial law that should read 'breaching the course of contract', Its all about contract, no contract no case. They can only contract with your 'person' not you, they will trick you into joinder but it's just a battle of wits. the court system acts fraudulantly and the cops lie thru their teeth. We've had the wool pulled over our eyes too long. I'd say good luck girlgye, but you wont need it, you'l kick they're butts.:D

[bones]

@ Bones,

Any updates over at thinkfree?

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no updates as yet!! ill keep ya all posted if any change...;)

[bsmurph83]

ask a lawyer's advice and get a lawyer's point of view.

chances are it will be a load of shit or "i don't really know about that".

don't take it too seriously. it's ignorant people that are their lifeblood.

KEEP US POSTED ON GYE!

[sindakit]

ive been worried about freeman stuff lately, I talked to a lawyer in the local courts here and he said that refusing to do certain things, like give your name is perverting the course of justice.

I also asked him about statues and common law and the answer he gave was a lot different to the freeman peeps on this forum.

If you're concerned with perverting the course of justice by not giving a name then do as rob menard said he did in one of his videos and ask if they want a legal name or lawful name, then inform the PO you don't have a legal name but give your lawful name instead, or whatever your commonly know as. That way you don't come off as harsh by straight up refusing to attempt to help the uneducated copper, although you can if you want. It's your privacy!

back on topic: goodluck and love for girlgye

[merlincove]

i'm a little concearned now that we haven't heard from girlg in days and days, can i take it that she is still in custody?

Three days in custody, for as far as i can gather, attending to her God given rights, is a fucking joke.

Is there some place we can call and speak to a custodial officer?

Is there no more news.

[comma berenices]

I was thinking the same,i just logged on saw the thread has bumped and was hoping for good news:(

Here's hoping we hear something today,too many freeman being arressed in recent times:(.

[number_6]

Three days in custody, for as far as i can gather, attending to her God given rights, is a fucking joke.


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Until it is explained exactly what the charges against girlgye are, we cannot comment. It has only been surmised that her aprehension is for vehicle offences, but we have no proof of that. It may be charges relating to something completely unconnected.

[yozhik]

Until it is explained exactly what the charges against girlgye are, we cannot comment. It has only been surmised that her aprehension is for vehicle offences, but we have no proof of that. It may be charges relating to something completely unconnected.

Well, if she has been labelled a "truther", they'll trump it up into right-wing terrorism, as they have already hinted at and verbally stated will be the case.

Don't forget Darren was heavily pressured with the Mental Health Act with his little adventures, which is a whole different can of worms ...

Depending on how they feel and how far they want to "push" their non-existent power ... could be a bumpy few days.

[scottmurray]

its somewhat like asking a paid up member of the institute of electricians why they keep changing the wireing colours.........so us lot dont have a clue and have to pay them hundereds of pounds an hour to do it,i mean you must be a fucking stupid idiot and i mean really REALLY really stupid if you think a lawyer is going to tell you the score,and what are you expecting ,a police officer to say ok enlightened soul you are right it is all a conspiracy we are on the scam but please dont tell the others who aint got an inkling.
I do not have any problems whatsoever with assertaining my rights and wrongs, i may know them but i dont understand them,upon making my soverighnty known and not feeling the need to hang the statutory officer out to dry or put his hands in the air and pledge his inferiorority to me the clever one..... look if you cant see it ,if you actually dont know how to retain master status you are not able to self govern and are clearly using freeman principles as some sort of loophole.I am soverign but i know my responsibilities that come with this priviledge(look up the roots of that word) i also can clearly see the need for most to be governed who would tax the rich and pay the poor/infirm for goodness sake.


Well, he's lying and he's ignorant.

Next time he tries to bullshit you with lawyer twaddle, remind him of Rice vs. Connolly.
Then send him a bill, 'cos he obviously didn't earn his law degree and you seem to have more accurate information.

[yozhik]

Today's Lesson at Police School;

Unalienable Rights.
Part 1. Why creatures from outer space and spacemen have no rights.
Part 2. How long can you keep an alien locked up?
Part 3. Are there any Alienable Rights for the little green men?

Tomorrow's Lesson; Taser or Pepper Spray - your right to decide

[merlincove]

Today's Lesson at Police School;

Unalienable Rights.
Part 1. Why creatures from outer space and spacemen have no rights.
Part 2. How long can you keep an alien locked up?
Part 3. Are there any Alienable Rights for the little green men?

Tomorrow's Lesson; Taser or Pepper Spray - your right to decide

:D

Also lessons in re-installing the nature of reality.

Still no news - is concearning.

[smoke n mirrors]

Ye its not looking good. I thought Pleasuredome or Bones would have got back with an update by now. :confused:

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[tom bombadil]

Alienable and alien are not the same here guys. :eek:


Nelly.

[merlincove]

Alienable and alien are not the same here guys. :eek:


Nelly.

well if my Alienable rights alienate me from their juristiction and society i'm all for it :cool:

[tom bombadil]

well if my Alienable rights alienmate me from their juristiction and society i'm all for it :cool:

Hmm! Whaa? http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/37699.gif

Nelly:)

[yozhik]

Alienable and alien are not the same here guys. :eek:


Nelly.

Tell THAT to the policy enforcers :D ... it's not "us" who has a comprehension problem ...

[bones]

Ye its not looking good. I thought Pleasuredome or Bones would have got back with an update by now. :confused:

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as i quoted b4 if there is any change in her circumstances ill post here for ya all. im in the dark as much as you.....

please bare with us....

[smoke n mirrors]

Sorry Bones wasn't trying to put the screws on you.

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[bones]

Sorry Bones wasn't trying to put the screws on you.

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np bud!!! im concerned myself sumthing is wrong that she is being held so long!! over a traffic matter....

[smoke n mirrors]

I agree something is very wrong. We really need to think about setting up a support network for stuff like this.

Does anyone have details so that formal enquirers can be made?

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[girlgye]

hello all
and thanks to those of you that phoned the station. I am charged with obstruction of an officer. I used the AT method and it didn't work they arrested me under PACE and bruatlised me to take my dna. Of which I stated I did not contract I refused all other contracts with them and was brought before the magistrates up into a glass cell by cuffs. Refused my natural born name saying I refused to id myself even though they had my documents pertaining to the person in their possession oh and no insurance. I believe the car had been taxed but i didn't display a tax disc as i had already de-registered it. This is of no concern to them.
The case is adjourned til Friday at Southport magistrates where I was arrested. They asked me if I had insurance and I said I would pay if I had an accident they used that as an excuse to say they needed to check with the DVLA. The only person on my side that day was the police prosecutor.

The CJ refused the oath and the magistrate gave it but failed to record the fact. No surprises there then. I was also greated by several sb officers too I believe.

My conveyance naturally has been stolen by them.

[merlincove]

GG, it is such a breath of fresh air to see you here again, i am so glad that you are 'on the loose' so to speak.

Your ordeal, which i am sure it was, sounds typical of their behaviour and lack of comprehension.

But you are out of their grip for now and able to get yourself together and prepare as best you can, which is good. Although their question why you have rallied against their ule should never have been asked in the first place.

Welcome back, i am so happy to see you here again.

Much love to you.

And respect indeed.

lee

xxx

[bones]

hello all
and thanks to those of you that phoned the station. I am charged with obstruction of an officer. I used the AT method and it didn't work they arrested me under PACE and bruatlised me to take my dna. Of which I stated I did not contract I refused all other contracts with them and was brought before the magistrates up into a glass cell by cuffs. Refused my natural born name saying I refused to id myself even though they had my documents pertaining to the person in their possession oh and no insurance. I believe the car had been taxed but i didn't display a tax disc as i had already de-registered it. This is of no concern to them.
The case is adjourned til Friday at Southport magistrates where I was arrested. They asked me if I had insurance and I said I would pay if I had an accident they used that as an excuse to say they needed to check with the DVLA. The only person on my side that day was the police prosecutor.

The CJ refused the oath and the magistrate gave it but failed to record the fact. No surprises there then. I was also greated by several sb officers too I believe.

My conveyance naturally has been stolen by them.

finally !!! welcome back!! hope you are not to shook up and if theres anything i can do pm me.... saying that im in cuba next week !!!

[merlincove]

finally !!! welcome back!! hope you are not to shook up and if theres anything i can do pm me.... saying that im in cuba next week !!!

Dito.

Apart from the Cuba bit :cool:

[comma berenices]

Good to see you back GG,i kept popping in to see if there was any news.


Thinking of you,heres hoping you beat them,good luck and my utmost respect to you.

[rosix]

Good to see you back GG,i kept popping in to see if there was any news.


Thinking of you,heres hoping you beat them,good luck and my utmost respect to you.

my sentiments exactly.

[freedom from within]

Good to see your ok GG keep up the good work don't let them get to you stay focused.


love and light to all

[bsmurph83]

welcome back GYE, was slightly worried for you.

sorry to hear they stole the car... looks like you've got yer work cut out. don't let 'em off the hook. the good work you do in holding them to account will help those who follow in your steps.

much respect 2 u. being in australia, that's about all i can do or say. :mad:

[the worm that turned]

I can only speak for me but as a member of the forum please let me know how I might be able to help you in your quest. Good luck and keep :) EVERYTHING IS OK

TWTT

[tien an]

I've missed you girlgye, if not for your personality, then for the fact that this can (and probably will) happen to any one of us here.

Let's not beat around the bush; this affects us all.

We need to establish a network of help immediately, so that we can support each other when the time comes.

I've already contacted a friend on this forum, who will, in the event that I am arrested and incarcerated,take steps to

a) inform you lot, so that anyone that would like to help can visit, help with toiletries etc., and, in the event that I'm moved to a different prison in a different part of the country, there will be someone near to witness court proceedings and/or help in the above manner.
b) if the incarceration goes on for longer than a few days, issue a writ of habeas corpus, to make sure that we are not injured or worse.

May I suggest that you all choose one or two from the forum and send them a PM exchanging mobile numbers so that you can contact each other when you get your 'one and only' phone call.

NB. Be careful whom you choose as your friend and don't advertise the fact here.
May I suggest that if it happens again, the friend contacts a moderator to 'break the news', that way your friend remains anonymous.

Good to see you back girlgye.

Hope you'll fill us in on the details later.

tian an.

[godspeed]

there is nothing more brutal than being forced to give you dna......

no matter what the charge you can be assured they want what is yours

i think a network for contact and support is vital link for us all....

ive had a few cops sniffing about me in the night....

wanting to come in for a friendly chat.....what do they think i am...

know thy self and thy law better than them....thats a threat to their sad society and enough to start a witchhunt......

well done ....stand your ground.....we will support you evermore.......:D

[cf24]

Glad your out and ok... Get ready for round two! :D

[the worm that turned]

I've missed you girlgye, if not for your personality, then for the fact that this can (and probably will) happen to any one of us here.

Let's not beat around the bush; this affects us all.

We need to establish a network of help immediately, so that we can support each other when the time comes.

I've already contacted a friend on this forum, who will, in the event that I am arrested and incarcerated,take steps to

a) inform you lot, so that anyone that would like to help can visit, help with toiletries etc., and, in the event that I'm moved to a different prison in a different part of the country, there will be someone near to witness court proceedings and/or help in the above manner.
b) if the incarceration goes on for longer than a few days, issue a writ of habeas corpus, to make sure that we are not injured or worse.

May I suggest that you all choose one or two from the forum and send them a PM exchanging mobile numbers so that you can contact each other when you get your 'one and only' phone call.

NB. Be careful whom you choose as your friend and don't advertise the fact here.
May I suggest that if it happens again, the friend contacts a moderator to 'break the news', that way your friend remains anonymous.

Good to see you back girlgye.

Hope you'll fill us in on the details later.

tian an.

Perhaps the time for anonymity has passed? Perhaps it is time to become the Rob Menards, Darren Pollards, Albert Burgess, John Harris' of this world.

I assume that FEAR is the only thing holding each of us back. Fear of persecution, ridicule, loss of job etc etc. Sadly I think it is the fear, anonymity, shrouding in mystery etc that will be the downfall of any Freeman movement.

I actually feel it is more of a "know your rights" movement rather than a Freeman movement now as you do not need to be a Freeman as such (i.e. NOI and COR etc) to be Free in the mind.

The problem I also feel is the David Icke association. I sent an email out recently explaining the difference between Man versus Person, however I felt (sadly) that I had to disguise it was from me by making it look like it was forwarded. When a friend saw a link to this forum included in it he just laughed and mentioned something about how can I take this seriously with a link to David Icke :mad:

Fortunately some well constructed responses ;) with links got him interested and no doubt doing a lot of his own research now.

Not sure what the answer is, but perhaps we could at least discuss further our potential OUTING.

[girlgye]

Yes concur. I snook a txt out shitting bricks. The first freeman entered was a complete shit.. Did nothing and said nothing. By some miracle I got a reprieve coz I telephoned a real friend. And she got the word out but I also contacted a freeman at the time of the arrest.
I'm getting sick of this he's a spook she's a spook crap too.
So what if..
I am not a domestic extremist and I am not a terrorist. I reserve my unalienable rights I am a WOMAN free to exist on this planet in PEACE.
I don't care that anyone with any authority implied, expressed or otherwise knows who I am. I am not trying to get onto YOU TUBE either.
Although I will be releasing any tapes to this as educational material expressly for feedback not as some kind of quasi expert.

I merely want to share my experience as the crash test dummy for some of the hairbrained ideas on here. For the most part which worked.

However, I still don't have my auto. So any suggestions would be appreciated. I'm onto it. They want my log book. muhwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Before they give it back. Only way they can legally feel safe enough to know the auto is mine. However, no such problem when it comes to putting a lien on my strawman for monies though eh?

OH AND NEED IT BE SAID I AM NOT A FUCKING SPOOK. I simply have no idea how to handle a gun although I'm told it does feel kinda sexy. It had no such sexual attraction for me.

I would genuinely like to thank each and every officer on that shift for being quite polite and courteous to me even Mawdsley who ordered the forced extraction of my DNA whilst trying to get me to give me my finger prints and photograph. I cannot say I wasn't looked after either. Hopefully gone are the days where they consistently torture you. They were all remarkably courteous and I salute you all and hope that you can really do some REAL WORK keeping peace on our streets and not have to deal with idiots like me in the future.

Seargeant Mawdsley however, may have given him the nod but someone gave him the bullets to fire and I am loathe to blame him for it. I want that persons scalp. I have the bruises to prove it and I'm mighty pissed off.

[number_6]

Hi, girlgye. Welcome back. Can I ask how long you were actually held in custody?
Cheers.

[brassneck69]

Seargeant Mawdsley however, may have given him the nod but someone gave him the bullets to fire and I am loathe to blame him for it. I want that persons scalp. I have the bruises to prove it and I'm mighty pissed off.

One thing ive leant in life, nothing is as dangerous as a scouse girl with the hump :D

Good luck GG

(from a plastic scouser).

[wildhorse]

hello all
and thanks to those of you that phoned the station. I am charged with obstruction of an officer. I used the AT method and it didn't work they arrested me under PACE and bruatlised me to take my dna. Of which I stated I did not contract I refused all other contracts with them and was brought before the magistrates up into a glass cell by cuffs. Refused my natural born name saying I refused to id myself even though they had my documents pertaining to the person in their possession oh and no insurance. I believe the car had been taxed but i didn't display a tax disc as i had already de-registered it. This is of no concern to them.
The case is adjourned til Friday at Southport magistrates where I was arrested. They asked me if I had insurance and I said I would pay if I had an accident they used that as an excuse to say they needed to check with the DVLA. The only person on my side that day was the police prosecutor.

The CJ refused the oath and the magistrate gave it but failed to record the fact. No surprises there then. I was also greated by several sb officers too I believe.

My conveyance naturally has been stolen by them.

fuckin knew this would be the case girl...

glad to see ya back...if you werent was gunna suggest we all ring the staion saying we knew you, in posh tones, and to give you support (they dont like it when they hold peeps in custody and posh peeps give them support-they feel threatened and thinks ey up)

you want a car...you can have mine

fuck them

it need new shoes tho...i am happy to de reg (i was gunna do anyway as an experiment now ive found my feet)..or not

arnt they twats tho...i found the sergent was cool with me even tho he didnt get carel from the caine family malarky...

its a twisted web...when i was in court i used the solicitors (watson & woodhouse who the courts n coppers hate) just to play it out...now i know anyone of us can stand up and hold our own...

gg...its part of the lesson and experience...it feels like shit right now, but you will get by...they hate that...pm me by all means...keep in touch...

lets all rally round here

this could be any 1 of us...

bastards

[girlgye]

One thing ive leant in life, nothing is as dangerous as a scouse girl with the hump :D

Good luck GG

(from a plastic scouser).

Me a plastic scouser too ugg ugg. LOL
Are you coming then?
10.00 am Southport Magistrates Court
10.00 am BUT they will say I'm due to be called at 2.00 pm FOR SURE. Hinze Street and Corner of Davenport. Telephone number is 0151 933 6999. If you haven't heard from me by tomorrow night I've been locked up again. They are doing this now I believe. In scouseland.

I was held in custody for 20hours.
I gave only my freeman name mary of the gye family.
they saw the drivers licence as id and took that as though I'd given it looks on the charge sheets i've taken from the courts.
Erm.
They lied said I didn't give a guilty plea when I did twice.
They did not appear to give me their oath as they said as there is no record of it any where and no record of what got said. Except by the Prosecution.
I've checked with the CPS and there is no record.

So..
Don't quote the frigging Lisbon Treaty at me either. I'm well aware we have gone over to that instead of Crown rights.
I love you all.
mwah xxxxx

[dolores1]

Me a plastic scouser too ugg ugg. LOL
Are you coming then?
10.00 am Southport Magistrates Court
10.00 am BUT they will say I'm due to be called at 2.00 pm FOR SURE. Hinze Street and Corner of Davenport. Telephone number is 0151 933 6999. If you haven't heard from me by tomorrow night I've been locked up again. They are doing this now I believe. In scouseland.

I was held in custody for 20hours.
I gave only my freeman name mary of the gye family.
they saw the drivers licence as id and took that as though I'd given it looks on the charge sheets i've taken from the courts.
Erm.
They lied said I didn't give a guilty plea when I did twice.
They did not appear to give me their oath as they said as there is no record of it any where and no record of what got said. Except by the Prosecution.
I've checked with the CPS and there is no record.

So..
Don't quote the frigging Lisbon Treaty at me either. I'm well aware we have gone over to that instead of Crown rights.
I love you all.
mwah xxxxx


You are in my thoughts, I also stand by my rights as FOTL, court posponed until 23.09. because of a family death.
Blessings.

[deem]

Nice to have you back in one piece girlgye. Good luck tomorrow.:D

[bsmurph83]

wish i could be there in the flesh for ya, GYE.

open a freeman can on 'em. *grin*

[girlgye]

Well now my third experience of going in there and another 'bailed to appear' this time at the same magistrates court where I said I'd plead guilty to the facts. This time its gonna be in December. I have Notice saying appear or else you are under arrest. Appeared today 2 days after they said I was to appear on their bail notice. ONly I DID NOT ACCEPT BAIL.

So on that basis because I did not stand in the Glass Cell specially for me. He wanted to send me down for 28 days for contempt. So why would that be? YOu are under criminal contempt coz you won't go in the dock you contracted to bail. NO I DIDN'T!!!ffs.

Anyway usual CALL SECURITY BULLSHIT. Am I being ordered or requested. I leave with my unalienable rights. Wait an hour. Most of the spooks earwigging our conversation leave. The Clerk whom had earlier told me to 'DO EVERYTHING THEY TELL YOU TO DO'. Suddenly came up to me like a gangster sorry man of death black cloak an all and said here here. What is it I said
Blue form we are saying you pleaded not guilty. NO I DID NOT. You are bailed to appear blah blah blah. Did you get that! NO I CAME 30 MILES TO HEAR MY CASE WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PLAYING AT. CALL OVER THE WING COMMANDERS. Well at least they were women thanks Chief. A little less violence and a whole lot of discussion which lead pitifully to nought.
I did not contract. I do not accept this bail form where is the ORDER TO APPEAR.
Yes I did send one of the pretend wp Commanders. Like a silverfish with a maggot. i SAW HER TAKE IT AND THAT I WILL WITNESS. Or you just lying on your oath too are you?

So they lied. I have the records to prove it.

I am bailed to appear again for no apparent reason other than they simply want to put all yous lot off by crushing my wheels.

BE PREPARED TO LOSE EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING.

Thank you so much to our very own Dobbo a man from another distant land to my own who selfishly helped me navigate treacherous pirate seas. The reason they are doing this is to put off your friends from coming constantly to witness you. So lets all separate our differences and start getting along.

The moral of this tale: NEVER EVER GO IN THERE ON YOUR OWN. EVER.

[tien an]

Wow...what an experience.

Do you have the court record?

*"Yes I did send one of the pretend wp Commanders. Like a silverfish with a maggot. i SAW HER TAKE IT AND THAT I WILL WITNESS. Or you just lying on your oath too are you?"

*You've lost me there...what happened exacltly?

tian an.

[wildhorse]

ok GG...is your crushed yet? Can we have the phone number of the compound. Let us all start fucking ringing that place (pm us the reg number to those prepared to ring up)

is there any other number we could all ring to show that we give support and shall not be diverting away from this queitly??

anything...we gotta club round cos if we beat these cunts at this, and get GG's car back, then this could, no would be a major breakthrough. Otherwise it may play the falling dominos way with other cases...one down, two down,...

some of us may have to do this alone, so lets get well versed on the court games and contracts they try to with pull you in (in plain black n white laymans) so we come out of court with our posessions and freedom where they belong...


sounds like quite a day you had in there GG...funny how they act on your behalf and say a plea against your wishes...sure thats a crime in itself?

shit.

[machine]

oh and no insurance. They asked me if I had insurance and I said I would pay if I had an accident . .

Hi

Quick question....what would you do if you were involved in an accident, that was your fault, in which a small normal child suffered injuries that left them severely disabled and in need of round the clock care, for the rest of his or her life?

Would you pay for that?

Could you pay for that?

Paying for insurance might suck, but its there for a reason. Its all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

[resistance]

Fair play to yuz girlgye, standing up on your own to the vermin people call ''justice''

[wildhorse]

Hi

Quick question....what would you do if you were involved in an accident, that was your fault, in which a small normal child suffered injuries that left them severely disabled and in need of round the clock care, for the rest of his or her life?

Would you pay for that?

Could you pay for that?

Paying for insurance might suck, but its there for a reason. Its all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

while valid points, lets not get carried away with fear/guilt/shame by bringing the little children into it. I swear thats a fave tactic of TPTB - which I am not saying you are, just, well... :rolleyes:

....lets just keep it to 'how would you handle a serious accident?' :)

there is some info on this on this sub-forum...such as N.I being our insurance. Apparently any other insurance is an unnecessary extra. When I de-reg, I would use house insurance to cover de-reg car, as an extra, as I would like to cover all bases. However, I have the extra shitter of no licence...so I have some research to be getting on with...

[machine]

while valid points, lets not get carried away with fear/guilt/shame by bringing the little children into it. I swear thats a fave tactic of TPTB - which I am not saying you are, just, well... :rolleyes:

....lets just keep it to 'how would you handle a serious accident?' :)

there is some info on this on this sub-forum...such as N.I being our insurance. Apparently any other insurance is an unnecessary extra. When I de-reg, I would use house insurance to cover de-reg car, as an extra, as I would like to cover all bases. However, I have the extra shitter of no licence...so I have some research to be getting on with...

It could be a tactic of the TPTB, I don't know, but when you consider the only one guarantee that all of us has is that we will die - that scenario is one that could happen to you - the chances may be small, but their is still a risk element involved and granted it might not be a little child, it could be an elderly person - but the fact remains that insurance is not only there to protect you but also to protect others (and that includes your passangers) - and its because of that that I find the notion of driving around with no insurance quite dispacable tbh. I couldnt live with myself if I knew I was responsible for a car crash that left someone disabled and a family in the cack because I didnt have insurance.

Besides which - people turn awkward when it comes to handing over their hard earned and saved cash to pay for some-else to get their car repaired etc. Handing over a couple of hundred quid to have some minor body work repaired might leave a sour bitter taste in your mouth and a hole in your pocket, but what if you were looking at a £5,000 bill - would you really be so willing then?

[rosix]

It could be a tactic of the TPTB, I don't know, but when you consider the only one guarantee that all of us has is that we will die - that scenario is one that could happen to you - the chances may be small, but their is still a risk element involved and granted it might not be a little child, it could be an elderly person - but the fact remains that insurance is not only there to protect you but also to protect others (and that includes your passangers) - and its because of that that I find the notion of driving around with no insurance quite dispacable tbh. I couldnt live with myself if I knew I was responsible for a car crash that left someone disabled and a family in the cack because I didnt have insurance.

Besides which - people turn awkward when it comes to handing over their hard earned and saved cash to pay for some-else to get their car repaired etc. Handing over a couple of hundred quid to have some minor body work repaired might leave a sour bitter taste in your mouth and a hole in your pocket, but what if you were looking at a £5,000 bill - would you really be so willing then?

there is £500,000 there to cover all matters.

[merlincove]

It could be a tactic of the TPTB, I don't know, but when you consider the only one guarantee that all of us has is that we will die - that scenario is one that could happen to you - the chances may be small, but their is still a risk element involved and granted it might not be a little child, it could be an elderly person - but the fact remains that insurance is not only there to protect you but also to protect others (and that includes your passangers) - and its because of that that I find the notion of driving around with no insurance quite dispacable tbh. I couldnt live with myself if I knew I was responsible for a car crash that left someone disabled and a family in the cack because I didnt have insurance.

Besides which - people turn awkward when it comes to handing over their hard earned and saved cash to pay for some-else to get their car repaired etc. Handing over a couple of hundred quid to have some minor body work repaired might leave a sour bitter taste in your mouth and a hole in your pocket, but what if you were looking at a £5,000 bill - would you really be so willing then?

This has been discussed in great length elsewher in the threads Machine, try the search engine or browse through the freeman threads :D

Free thinkers here have expounded their awareness into a comprehension of National Insurance, do we really know what that is all about? An Insurance policy that covers you Nationaly? What does it cover, exactly, where is the certificate, what is laid aside?

And then there is home insurance. If you were ever, god forbid, involved in any altercation with somewho, you can claim on their house insurance, house insurance can cover you for any third party damages.

Peace :D

[machine]

Dont get me wrong I'm not having a go at anybody but surely if there was no need for car insurance because it was covered elsewhere then surely millions of people are being duped? Surely it would be well publiscised and people would be cancelling their policies in their millions?

[wildhorse]

Dont get me wrong I'm not having a go at anybody but surely if there was no need for car insurance because it was covered elsewhere then surely millions of people are being duped? Surely it would be well publiscised and people would be cancelling their policies in their millions?

exactly.....

[tien an]

Dont get me wrong I'm not having a go at anybody but surely if there was no need for car insurance because it was covered elsewhere then surely millions of people are being duped? Surely it would be well publiscised and people would be cancelling their policies in their millions?

Surely the government doesn't borrow money from the Bank of England at interest?
Surely there is something backing the fiat currency that we all use?
Surely your signature on a loan agreement isn't monetised? (turned into cash)
Surely they don't spend the greater part of your taxes to wage (illegal) wars?
Surely National Insurance is exactly what the title says it is: Insurance!
Surely a bond / trust isn't created in conjunction with your birth certificate...? A trust of which the government is the beneficiary and not you?
Surely the government doesn't borrow money from the Bank of England using this f***ing trust as surety for their loan?
Surely they would have told us by now?

They wouldn't deceive us...would they?

Do your homework.

WAKE UP!

tian an.

PS the list above is far from exhaustive....

[merlincove]

Dont get me wrong I'm not having a go at anybody but surely if there was no need for car insurance because it was covered elsewhere then surely millions of people are being duped? Surely it would be well publiscised and people would be cancelling their policies in their millions?

i inderstand that you are not having a go, machine :D

But this rabbit hole is extremely deep. 'Fasten your seat belt Dorithy, Kansas is going byebey...' (The Matrix) :D

The state of control exists for one reason and one reason only, to Control. And in order to control it creates lies, some of the lies it creates it calls Statutes. Statutes exist for the sole purpose of gaining revenue for the state, and revenue is another tool of control.

State = control

Statute (laws of state) = control

Revenue (gained from statutes) = control

The road traffic act blah blah blah = Statute.

Police officer = Private inforcement officer employed by the state to usher in their rule of control through implimentation and enforcement of statute.

The registration of a vehicle = corporate policy. Are you a memeber of that corporate body?

The vehicle MOT = Corporate policy, again are you a member of that corporate body?

Vehicle tax = Transport Policy = corporate policy etc.

I'm not sure whether those last two are Statutes or not, maybe someone else can comment?

The gen public insure their vehicle because they are told they have to. They are told this by the state, they are told this by acts of statute as passed in parliamnet, they are told this by the Minestry of Transport, and they are told this by the police enforcement officers employed to apply The Force of Law. That is an important factor, The Force of Law, because a statute only has the force of law when you concent to it.

Read through the freeman threads and you will come to better over-stand their rule.

Take a look at fmotl.com and watch the videos by John Hairris on youtube or his site tpuc for a much more comprehensive guide :D

Youtube the antiterrorist also :D

[merlincove]

Surely the government doesn't borrow money from the Bank of England at interest?
Surely there is something backing the fiat currency that we all use?
Surely your signature on a loan agreement isn't monetised? (turned into cash)
Surely they don't spend the greater part of your taxes to wage (illegal) wars?
Surely National Insurance is exactly what the title says it is: Insurance!
Surely a bond / trust isn't created in conjunction with your birth certificate...? A trust of which the government is the beneficiary and not you?
Surely the government doesn't borrow money from the Bank of England using this f***ing trust as surety for their loan?
Surely they would have told us by now?

They wouldn't deceive us...would they?

Do your homework.

WAKE UP!

tian an.

PS the list above is far from exhaustive....

Great post :D

[machine]

Has this ever been tested in court? Has anyone ever used this defence and succeeded?

[merlincove]

Has this ever been tested in court? Has anyone ever used this defence and succeeded?

Freeman concepts are being tested all the time, it is the nature of the beast, when it is threatened, to defend itself, and both freeman on the land as well as the beast of societal rule (police / courts / state) are fighting. The Freeman is fighting for what he believes to be intrinsically right, to have no one stand over him without his or her permit. The state is fighting becaue it realises its rule, and particularly the flaws in its rule are now in full view.

That is one reason for this thread.

While you are searching for answers watch the darren pollard video's and look through those thread too. Basically Darren was arrested and taken into custody, he refused to stand under their juristiction and declared his rights as a freeman and walked away from court as such: this was atained through his own over-standing of their rule. When a police officer asks you 'do you understand,' for instance, if you answer yes, then you have given him juristiction over you, you have agreed to stand under (understand) him. If you say no, i do not permit you to stand over me, i do not understand your possition, you take YOUR power and YOUR right upon yourself. This is what Darren did.

A police man / woman is a human being.

A judge / magistrate is a human being.

You are a human being.

You, the judge, the police office rare all equal, none has more equality than the other, without concent.

Your 'name', your person - mr Jonathan Bloggs, is a corporation.

You are not your name. You are not a person. You are a human being, with a blessed soul existing under God alone.

A court is a corporate body, a plc.

The judge is an employee of that plc.

The metropolitan police force is a corporate body.

A police officer is the employee of that body.

Maxim: God. Human being. Corporation.

No corporate body can stand over a human being unless that human being concents. God alone is above the human being.

Check out the tips i've posted.

http://vodpod.com/watch/1353617-john-harris-its-an-illusion-bbc5-tv-eyeplayer

:D

Really, machine, research for yourself :D

[girlgye]

I don't doubt that Machine and I have been acquainted but he/she ain't gonna say who they really are. Bless. If you think others on here are going to give you stock answers for what has taken hours of brain arse head fuck you can think again. Spend the next 9 months study law above the level of PhD and you might get some stock answers to your questions.

I have a Bond. Not James but a very real BOND. Mr Rich Salter Chief Inspector, a very nice man, of Merseyside Police has been informed of this on behalf of his colleague Bernard Hogan Howe, who in my humble opinion, has for the most part done a sterling job as head of the helm for what have been some testing times for his Constabulary what with Anthony Walker, Reece Jones, Franchesca Bimpson and the little shits terrorising everyone in Norris Green as well as everything else. Sir I salute you and even more so that he was willing to speak to me. However, you do have to deal with the more seemier side of what the puppet masters ask of you and I'm sure there are the fair deal of daily accidents on the M6 to mop up.

Anyway Mr Salter, very nice man indeed, says he's gonna go along with it. As is their Force Solicitor, also a very nice man and very helpful. Though I can't think why a Solicitor with 30 years experience has to take legal guidance and permission of a civvy administrator at Operation Tango about whether I can have my wheels back. Civvy administrator Mr Kelvin Whittle (apparently to whom we can all pin the blame on and who says he is feverishly no gladly willing to authorise the crushing of my wheels at 12.00 noon Tuesday and he will be glad indeed that I am going to hold him commercially liable) says to Chief Solicitor I'm crushing her wheels,automobile, vauhxhall astra, conveyance, car coz I can. So Chief Solicitor says 'ok then'.
I have asked for more time as is the law to prepare my case and my affadvavit but no.
So anyone with any research on the Law here please pm me. PLEASE.

Mr Chief Inspector says 'I won't get away with it in court'. I certainly didn't I didn't get away with anything. Everyone lied. Can't quite speak to a man who is supposed to be a Clerk to the Justice masquerading as THUG on behalf of the CROWN either can you :(

Merseyside Police Switchboard
0151 709 6010

Mr Bernard Hogan Howe Chief Constable
Mr Kevin Whittle, Operation Tango Manager presumably in Liverpool or Perhaps Merseyside, make sure you ask for him personally or she'll put you through to a trite answer phone.

Anyway I'm going to get an injunction tomorrow.

IF THEY CRUSH MY WHEELS ON TUESDAY. THERE WILL BE NO MORE LENIENCY WHERE MY NOTICES ARE CONCERNED I CAN ASSURE YOU.

Oh and no I never once contracted EVER.

The Wheels a circa a Vauxhall Astra - WHITE
IDENTIFYING MARKINGS T557 MCA. BOUND TO RECOGNIZE HER. SHE'S ALL MINE AND ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL PAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYED FOR.

[merlincove]

IF THEY CRUSH MY WHEELS ON TUESDAY. THERE WILL BE NO MORE LENIENCY WHERE MY NOTICES ARE CONCERNED I CAN ASSURE YOU.

Oh and no I never once contracted EVER.

Girlgye you are a star, really you are, i have the up most admiration for your strength and beauty.

i'm sure whenever we meet up you can twist my arm into buying you a beer.

i hope the injunction works, and that these bunch of fookin facist thugs are MADE to back the f'k down.

:D

[girlgye]

Merlincove a Moderator! Congratulations man. xxx

[rosix]

Merlincove a Moderator! Congratulations man. xxx

look into commercial liens, it seems like this might be a great spot to put a lien against Mr Kelvin Whittle

[merlincove]

Merlincove a Moderator! Congratulations man. xxx

:D

i don't know too much about commercial liens, rosix, i think gg has mentioned them before.... can you post some links?

[bsmurph83]

The vehicle MOT = Corporate policy, again are you a member of that corporate body?

Vehicle tax = Transport Policy = corporate policy etc.

I'm not sure whether those last two are Statutes or not, maybe someone else can comment?




I don't know what MOT stands for, but these taxes are all statute/act based. it's got nothing to do with common law (which has nothing to do with any of this shite really). the bible (if i recall correctly) indicates no tax is to be paid by the freeman. i'm certainly no bible basher, but commerce is based on biblical principles... corporate policy = statute = for persons/legal fictions.

government policy = statute = mostly irrelevant to the living man/woman... (if i've missed something here, someone jump in)

"MOT"?

[merlincove]

I don't know what MOT stands for, but these taxes are all statute/act based. it's got nothing to do with common law (which has nothing to do with any of this shite really). the bible (if i recall correctly) indicates no tax is to be paid by the freeman. i'm certainly no bible basher, but commerce is based on biblical principles... corporate policy = statute = for persons/legal fictions.

government policy = statute = mostly irrelevant to the living man/woman... (if i've missed something here, someone jump in)

"MOT"?

MOT Certificate, to give her her poroper name, = Ministary of Transport Certification?

[wakeupworld]

It`s defined as Ministry Of Transportation (test)

[girlgye]

look into commercial liens, it seems like this might be a great spot to put a lien against Mr Kelvin Whittle

Oh believe me. Paper work is hot off the press believe me. However, it is still the poor chief constables responsibility and he has been duely informed of this. As have each senior member of his team that have been spoken.

Is anyone from up North here today? Can you come over to court with me tomorrow?

[merlincove]

Blacks law ed 2:

Certificate: A written assurance or official representation that some act has been done, or some event occurred, or some legal formality has been compiled with. Particularly, such written assurance…

http://www.blacks.worldfreemansociety.org/2/index.htm



:D

EDIT, i'm only about 2 -3 hours or so drive from the 'pool, but am working tomorrow, else would be there with you.

[bsmurph83]

oh ok cool, well then it's government or corporate and it's statute...

statute = colour of law not REAL law

inferior to the freeman's standing :D

[girlgye]

I hear Constable Regan on tape now chuckling saying 'you've been misinformed'. ha ha bloody ha ha.

[merlincove]

i'm only about 2 -3 hours or so drive from the 'pool, but am working tomorrow, else would be there with you.

[machine]

I don't doubt that Machine and I have been acquainted but he/she ain't gonna say who they really are. Bless. .

Im not quite sure what you mean by that but nice to make your acquaintance anyway.

[angelmoon]

Oh believe me. Paper work is hot off the press believe me. However, it is still the poor chief constables responsibility and he has been duely informed of this. As have each senior member of his team that have been spoken.

Is anyone from up North here today? Can you come over to court with me tomorrow?

were are you girleye i am in richmond north yorks x

[yozhik]

Dont get me wrong I'm not having a go at anybody but surely if there was no need for car insurance because it was covered elsewhere then surely millions of people are being duped? Surely it would be well publiscised and people would be cancelling their policies in their millions?

Yes, millions have been duped.
No, it isn't publicised.
No, people aren't cancelling in droves because of the illusion being so "real" and the programming being so deep. Look how anyone suggesting they do not require it is jumped on as being "irresponsible" to witness the programming!

Insurance, as most know it, is actually reinsurance.

[yozhik]

Anyway I'm going to get an injunction tomorrow.

IF THEY CRUSH MY WHEELS ON TUESDAY. THERE WILL BE NO MORE LENIENCY WHERE MY NOTICES ARE CONCERNED I CAN ASSURE YOU.


With all due respect, I think the time for being lenient is well and truly behind you.

Time to go at it all guns blazing.

They violated you; stole your DNA.
They won't give it back; that's pretty much guaranteed.

They stole your automobile.
There have been very real and very imminent threats of destroying it.
That's terrorism.
It's also theft.
It is a crime; a loss.

Where is their leniency?

[dantesinferno]

Yes, millions have been duped.
No, it isn't publicised.
No, people aren't cancelling in droves because of the illusion being so "real" and the programming being so deep. Look how anyone suggesting they do not require it is jumped on as being "irresponsible" to witness the programming!

Insurance, as most know it, is actually reinsurance.


yozhik
so is this something you have put into to practice? meaning driving a vehicle with the type of insurance your talking about?

Girlgye
good luck, hope it works out for you

[yozhik]

yozhik
so is this something you have put into to practice? meaning driving a vehicle with the type of insurance your talking about?

No.
I do not have a private automobile currently.
My circumstances give me no reason to require one.

However [to be pedantic], I would not "drive a vehicle" without insurance.
That would be "illegal".

[majorlee]

start using PACLIP once its ready

(Freeman Traveler and PACLIP – This is the Blue Plate Traveler with a system of identification using our own numbers and plates joined with PACLIP “Private Automobile Collision Liability Insurance Program”) )


i believe the canadian freeman society has got it sorted with there membership

being a Freeman is also about being responsible for yourself in this crazy world, dont give TPTB any chance or loophole to find a way over you

good luck GG

http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/site/Robs_Very_Cunning_Plan.html

[girlgye]

District Judge johnson received in her hands a Habeus Corpus and an Affadavit of Truth pre stage Commercial Lien against Merseyside Police and throw me out of court when she realised what she had done via security. All on tape.
She quoted all manner of statute at us but we insisted she had agreed to see us in private now that she had accepted the Promisory Note signed and stamped. She somehow didn't think she did and that she had the upper h and here. anyhow as you can see she was CORRUPT to the core and has colluded in the theft and destruction of my property.

[dolores1]

I've missed you girlgye, if not for your personality, then for the fact that this can (and probably will) happen to any one of us here.

Let's not beat around the bush; this affects us all.

We need to establish a network of help immediately, so that we can support each other when the time comes.

I've already contacted a friend on this forum, who will, in the event that I am arrested and incarcerated,take steps to

a) inform you lot, so that anyone that would like to help can visit, help with toiletries etc., and, in the event that I'm moved to a different prison in a different part of the country, there will be someone near to witness court proceedings and/or help in the above manner.
b) if the incarceration goes on for longer than a few days, issue a writ of habeas corpus, to make sure that we are not injured or worse.

May I suggest that you all choose one or two from the forum and send them a PM exchanging mobile numbers so that you can contact each other when you get your 'one and only' phone call.

NB. Be careful whom you choose as your friend and don't advertise the fact here.
May I suggest that if it happens again, the friend contacts a moderator to 'break the news', that way your friend remains anonymous.

Good to see you back girlgye.

Hope you'll fill us in on the details later.

tian an.

I have been following GG as I am in a similar case but worse. May I suggest your scenero but instead of calling your friend, set up a system of daily calls at a certain time and when the call does not arrive the friend can alert the network to your situation. This way THEY are not alerted.

[girlgye]

I have been following GG as I am in a similar case but worse. May I suggest your scenero but instead of calling your friend, set up a system of daily calls at a certain time and when the call does not arrive the friend can alert the network to your situation. This way THEY are not alerted.

Yes good idea but BE careful it was skill and wit with me. The first fone a freeman friend was a complete x%$£%%$. All he text back 'so what do you want me to do. Good luck'. I won't waste my time despising him and when I spoke to him on the fone he was equally a complete shit.

Believe me that alone nearly broke my spirit. Thank fuck I have a brain.

[bsmurph83]

Yes good idea but BE careful it was skill and wit with me. The first fone a freeman friend was a complete x%$£%%$. All he text back 'so what do you want me to do. Good luck'. I won't waste my time despising him and when I spoke to him on the fone he was equally a complete shit.

Believe me that alone nearly broke my spirit. Thank fuck I have a brain.

this was a FREEMAN friend (as in, actually knowledgeable on this stuff) or just someone you'd told about some of this shit over coffee (so to speak)?

how fuckin' useless is that...?!!? :mad:

[tien an]

I have been following GG as I am in a similar case but worse. May I suggest your scenero but instead of calling your friend, set up a system of daily calls at a certain time and when the call does not arrive the friend can alert the network to your situation. This way THEY are not alerted.

Are you being serious?
Talk about fear-mongering...honestly!

My phone bill is high enough as it is...and you suggest I call someone / text someone every day at the same time?

It makes about as much sense as the suggestion you made that I call 'your' Notary to verify that he sealed your NOUI & COR.

tian an.

PS I think you've been watching too much TV...

[wildhorse]

Yes good idea but BE careful it was skill and wit with me. The first fone a freeman friend was a complete x%$£%%$. All he text back 'so what do you want me to do. Good luck'. I won't waste my time despising him and when I spoke to him on the fone he was equally a complete shit.

Believe me that alone nearly broke my spirit. Thank fuck I have a brain.

charming... and equally not helpful.

Excuse me here, but I am on heavy meds for a migrane and well dizzy...

...so has the order been given then to crush your car?

the judge made a deal to deal in private, yet shes gone back on her agreement, have you proof to make her stand by that?

this systems so wrong thats for sure...I wish this was closer to home even just to give you some support, albeit I'm not fully tooled up with knowledge yet

[girlgye]

this was a FREEMAN friend (as in, actually knowledgeable on this stuff) or just someone you'd told about some of this shit over coffee (so to speak)?

how fuckin' useless is that...?!!? :mad:

No this is someone who raised the bar on the freeman movement in the UK. What his motive was for behaving like that I will never know. I foned him after the police station btw just to find out why he behaved like that. He started acting all spooked out like he couldn't talk to me like I was a spook.

You see if you think they are bugging your phones chance are they probably are. AND.....

[girlgye]

Are you being serious?
Talk about fear-mongering...honestly!

My phone bill is high enough as it is...and you suggest I call someone / text someone every day at the same time?

It makes about as much sense as the suggestion you made that I call 'your' Notary to verify that he sealed your NOUI & COR.

tian an.

PS I think you've been watching too much TV...

I'm just wondering why Dolores never let us in on her pain that is so like mine.

[girlgye]

charming... and equally not helpful.

Excuse me here, but I am on heavy meds for a migrane and well dizzy...

...so has the order been given then to crush your car?

the judge made a deal to deal in private, yet shes gone back on her agreement, have you proof to make her stand by that?

this systems so wrong thats for sure...I wish this was closer to home even just to give you some support, albeit I'm not fully tooled up with knowledge yet

Got my Habeus Corpus back with promissory note just a little fine tuning but the tape is all the proof i need.
If i can be arsed doing her as well as everyone else. I'm focusing on the police now. I have no idea.
Anyone want to ring our Kelvin Whittle and find out?

[wildhorse]

Got my Habeus Corpus back with promissory note just a little fine tuning but the tape is all the proof i need.
If i can be arsed doing her as well as everyone else. I'm focusing on the police now. I have no idea.
Anyone want to ring our Kelvin Whittle and find out?

whose kevin whittle an whats the number?

glad you got the tape

[tien an]

Got my Habeus Corpus back with promissory note...

What does this mean, GG?

Did you issue your own writ?

I'm a little confused...


tian an.

[dolores1]

Are you being serious?
Talk about fear-mongering...honestly!

My phone bill is high enough as it is...and you suggest I call someone / text someone every day at the same time?

It makes about as much sense as the suggestion you made that I call 'your' Notary to verify that he sealed your NOUI & COR.

tian an.

PS I think you've been watching too much TV...

I posted my Notary's phone number for you last night on the site. From now on piss off.

[dolores1]

I'm just wondering why Dolores never let us in on her pain that is so like mine.

I am a 63 year old widow and not used to confiding to anyone in private never mind in a public forum.

Where I can help, I will be there for you.

God bless.

[tien an]

I posted my Notary's phone number for you last night on the site. From now on piss off.

Here we go...now it's the insults and name-calling....

[bsmurph83]

No this is someone who raised the bar on the freeman movement in the UK. What his motive was for behaving like that I will never know. I foned him after the police station btw just to find out why he behaved like that. He started acting all spooked out like he couldn't talk to me like I was a spook.

You see if you think they are bugging your phones chance are they probably are. AND.....

you're at the point where you think they're bugging your phone/s or was it your friend who thought his phones were bugged...

is this the type of people they appear to be, gye? sinking to such depths, i mean. certainly the picture you paint of some of these clowns suggests they are capable of bugging phones and worse... *puke*

don't envy you, but i back you 100%.

[girlgye]

Well Dolores you sure go Chutzpah. Where is your notary I'm having difficulty. I hope not too far for me to travel.

[girlgye]

What does this mean, GG?

Did you issue your own writ?

I'm a little confused...


tian an.

yup. still in prison they reckon i agreed to their terms. I didn't and am currently researching what I do about it.
Habeus Corpus was one way. There is stuff about it on here.

[tien an]

Well Dolores you sure go Chutzpah. Where is your notary I'm having difficulty. I hope not too far for me to travel.

Do your research GG...apparently a Notary Public in Northern Ireland doesn't have the same status / powers as in the rest of the UK.

(I'll come back and edit this post when I've found the reference).

tian an.

[girlgye]

Been in court today. Good judge but that's another story. I'll put the date up when I have notified Bernard.

Apparently i am not infact in prison I am free on bail and they cannot release a body that has already been put on release. So that was pooped. thinks fmol is load of philosophical nonsense however, much we protested common law. Kept saying well we all have to operate in this and yes although it comes from laws 1000's of years ago we are operating in this one. I told him i did not consent and he said well you don't have a choice. Under what authority. there isn't one you don't have a choice.

So there you have it. Think I'm gonna have a realistic chance?

[yozhik]

You don't have a choice???

Ummmm ... human beings ALWAYS have a choice.
From what authority or foundation does he state that you have no choice?

You don't have a choice about 'consent'???
That's the biggest piece of bullshit I've ever read/heard!
Consent is ALL ABOUT choice; otherwise, it isn't consent, is it?

[number_6]

You don't have a choice about 'consent'???


From what I read from girlgye's post that isn't what the judge has said. I would read it more like: Consent does not come into it. You have no choice but to obey the law, or face the consequences.
I have always been of the opinion that "given force of law by consent" does not mean that which is often promoted here.

[dolores1]

Well Dolores you sure go Chutzpah. Where is your notary I'm having difficulty. I hope not too far for me to travel.

He is in Belfast tel: 02890233309 which I could drive to. You have to go yourself and have your document witnessed and signed.

He does not belong to a group and he is fully qualified.

Mine cost £30.00 and there was 7 pages of it.

Hope this helps?

There are also fairly cheap flights.

[dolores1]

Been in court today. Good judge but that's another story. I'll put the date up when I have notified Bernard.

Apparently i am not infact in prison I am free on bail and they cannot release a body that has already been put on release. So that was pooped. thinks fmol is load of philosophical nonsense however, much we protested common law. Kept saying well we all have to operate in this and yes although it comes from laws 1000's of years ago we are operating in this one. I told him i did not consent and he said well you don't have a choice. Under what authority. there isn't one you don't have a choice.

So there you have it. Think I'm gonna have a realistic chance?

Would it help if you said you don't "understand" I believe if you stand by this and use it as 2 words "under stand". I have been using this so far. I just keep being told to find a re-presentitive:D

I have been sent emails on this from Mary Croft - "How I Buggered Every Law Enforcement Agancy etc" Thats as close to the title as I remember now. She also sent me an email that says if it isn't simple it isn't right. And a great explanation.

Also see The Worm That Turned posts about this for further clarity.

Fingers crossed for you.:) Hugs.

[tien an]

As I mentioned in an earlier post, it seems that not only is Flanagan not mentioned here (he's probably a solicitor, not a notary), but notaries in NI are "not entitled to practice in England and Wales..." (sic).



http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab28/CHRISTINEs1940/NotariesinBelfast.jpg


Due diligence, girlgye...due diligence.


tian an.

[bsmurph83]

From what I read from girlgye's post that isn't what the judge has said. I would read it more like: Consent does not come into it. You have no choice but to obey the law, or face the consequences.
I have always been of the opinion that "given force of law by consent" does not mean that which is often promoted here.

they're trying to contract with GYE - contracts require consent otherwise they are null and void. looks like they've created joinder b/w you & your person now, gye...

keep in mind that these clowns WILL just lie to your face and they WILL test you to see if you know what you're doing (or just plain screw you over).

"the law"? it's not REAL law they are enforcing upon gye, it's colour of law.

she hasn't caused anyone any harm or loss so this is all just a violation of her common law sovereign rights, it's not real law.

we can't expect a judge to just come out and say "oh, yes, absolutely, this whole thing is a farce and we really are committing an act of war against you in violating your unalienable right to travel without a license/rego (or whatever). let's all just forget about this and try to get along. and would you like fries with that?"

[number_6]

she hasn't caused anyone any harm or loss so this is all just a violation of her common law sovereign rights, it's not real law.


But, I cannot see that the "harm or loss" criteria is the ultimate deciding factor whether a law has been broken. Where does one draw the line? Otherwise could it not be argued that under common law, driving whilst completely pissed the length of the M1 from London to Leeds is acceptable as long as at no point do you cause harm or loss to anybody, irrespective of your condition. I cannot see that could be the case. If harm or loss is the be all and end all, any such action although irresponsible, must be considered allowable and lawful? Is that the position Freeman hold? But that is a situation I would not like to become a reality.

[bsmurph83]

But, I cannot see that the "harm or loss" criteria is the ultimate deciding factor whether a law has been broken. Where does one draw the line? Otherwise could it not be argued that under common law, driving whilst completely pissed the length of the M1 from London to Leeds is acceptable as long as at no point do you cause harm or loss to anybody, irrespective of your condition. I cannot see that could be the case. If harm or loss is the be all and end all, any such action although irresponsible, must be considered allowable and lawful? Is that the position Freeman hold? But that is a situation I would not like to become a reality.

the harm or loss criteria defines the difference between common law (adult/creditor/sovereign) and statute law (slave/debtor/child). to "break the law" under common law you have to cause harm or loss otherwise the law remains unbroken. under statute law (keeping in minds there are literally millions of statutes), there's any number of ridiculous and not so ridiculous "laws" (colour of law) you could inadvertently "break" while operating as a thinking adult, and yet having harmed noone.

if noone has been "hurt" then according to Common Law you have done no wrong and cannot be lawfully punished - end of story. under statute law you are playing the "system's" game under the system's rules... legally, your status is rather low and one in the public appears to have no real rights.

the question of where one draws the line has already be answered in this forum. if you think that it is alright to get pissed and journey in your car whilst in that lessened state of receptivity and reactivity, then i would judge you to be a child and thus, the world of statutes is what should probably govern your behaviour until you grow up and are willing to function in the capacity of a responsible adult.

where one draws the line depends on what one considers to be 'responsible adult behaviour', and i can't see how 'drink-driving' qualifies as such. if you're 'drink-travelling' as a freeman on the land and harm someone, then you suffer the consequences (whatever they may be) as you are operating under full liability. but since the freeman is supposed to be a responsible adult, that should never happen to start with.

the whole point of encouraging awareness of common law is to cajole people into growing up and becoming responsible. statutes are probably what most people should live according to, due to the immaturity of the 'average' person, but then again, when you look at it, people DO live according to statutes that SHOULD be common sense, and yet they break them all the time, thus defying common sense. drink driving is one example that qualifies as irresponsible behaviour and thus, not befitting of the aspiring freeman.

one thing i notice is that the monopoly statute law has over us for the most part achieves - in combination with the suppression of common law - a society that cannot and/or will not grow up and think for themselves. it encourages ppl to day in and day out give away their sovereignty and power to think critically as responsible adults and members of their communities. it teaches subservience too, which i find sickening.

common law is common sense. statute law encourages childish behaviour while suppressing a superior alternative, and thus, common sense and decency, IMHO.

technically, i suppose that under common law, ppl could engage in dubious practises and hope to 'get away with it', but that would be the mentality of a child would it not? and children are controlled with statutes...

round and round in circles we go, until we realise that each man/woman has to judge what constitutes moral and responsible behaviour - behaviour that shows foresight and the consideration of the wellbeing of others in advance of one's actions.

and thus, number 6, i end my rant. have i been at least somewhat clear? :)

[yozhik]

Basically, we've become lazy [or have been programmed to this mental state].
When there were no 'benefits or privileges' and no Nanny state telling us what to do, when to do it and how to do it ... or even better ... doing it for us; we knew the consequence of our actions and acted accordingly.

[bsmurph83]

Basically, we've become lazy [or have been programmed to this mental state].
When there were no 'benefits or privileges' and no Nanny state telling us what to do, when to do it and how to do it ... or even better ... doing it for us; we knew the consequence of our actions and acted accordingly.

that's it - we've been mind-fucked to the point where we no longer recognise properly the relationship between cause and effect, our actions and their consequences, because, as slaves subject to statute law, we haven't been able to make our own choices freely - big brother does it for us. children aren't expected to have foresight enough to see ahead into possible or probable futures and alter their behaviour or choices accordingly, but mature adults should be able to. looking around, i see a lot of statute 'law' slaves and not many adults with this capacity - they've been rendered as children by the nanny state.

personally, i say "fuck that."

[tien an]

I've noticed that when I either do everything for my child, or discipline her too readily (tell her off), she becomes withdrawn and expects everything done for her...leave her free rein until she actually does something and you see the blossom in full bloom of health.

I don't need to be told what, or what not, to do; my child does...sometimes (less often than you'd think).

Therein lies the future for society, IMHumbleO.
We either take responsibility for ourselves or we'll tear society apart...literally.

I say the future looks good!

tian an.

[number_6]

bsmurph, I read your full post 127 but I forsee problems. Although an action such as I describe could be considered childish and should not be encouraged and indeed condemned, a Freeman is still free to conduct such behaviour under common law at will, without fear of reprisal or punishment or even criticism from his fellow man.
If responsible behaviour has now to be examined and defined as well as harm or loss, then I am of the opinion that "harm or loss" is not the only criteria.

[tien an]

bsmurph, I read your full post 127 but I forsee problems. Although an action such as I describe could be considered childish and should not be encouraged and indeed condemned, a Freeman is still free to conduct such behaviour under common law at will, without fear of reprisal or punishment or even criticism from his fellow man.
If responsible behaviour has now to be examined and defined as well as harm or loss, then I am of the opinion that "harm or loss" is not the only criteria.

I beg to differ (see bold).
If my neighbour drove around like that we'd have a conversation about it, I can assure you.
If we weren't so chem'd and stressed to the eyeballs, we'd get along with each other much better and we could have conversations like that.
As it is, especially here in the UK, you have to know your neighbour quite well to be able to have that conversation...it doesn't have to be like this...

tian an.

[wakeupworld]

If a freeman was caught drink-driving then they should have the decency to accept punishment and revert to their person status.

[signalnorth]

"Basically Darren was arrested and taken into custody, he refused to stand under their juristiction and declared his rights as a freeman and walked away from court as such: this was atained through his own over-standing of their rule"

Well you know none of us were there and in truth we only have his version of these events do we not?

[tien an]

"Basically Darren was arrested and taken into custody, he refused to stand under their juristiction and declared his rights as a freeman and walked away from court as such: this was atained through his own over-standing of their rule"

Well you know none of us were there and in truth we only have his version of these events do we not?

whether you're right or not...is this the appropriate thread for your post, or have I missed something?


tian an.

[yozhik]

bsmurph, I read your full post 127 but I forsee problems. Although an action such as I describe could be considered childish and should not be encouraged and indeed condemned, a Freeman is still free to conduct such behaviour under common law at will, without fear of reprisal or punishment or even criticism from his fellow man.
If responsible behaviour has now to be examined and defined as well as harm or loss, then I am of the opinion that "harm or loss" is not the only criteria.

I don't want to be pedantic ... but hey, what the hell ... why break the habit of a lifetime :)

Consider for a moment the claim;
'you, deciding to travel while you are drunk, has caused me loss and harm; loss in the way of I have lost my desire to travel on the same roads as you, given the unnecessary risk it poses to me, which has therefore also caused me the loss of enjoyment of a full life and the harm that has brought to me and my family.'

Could this not be argued as common law "loss or harm"?
It would be consistant to have this debated in front of and adjudicated by, 12 of your peers, would it not?

I would suggest that given the "common sense" element of the claims, and the very real risk the decision to 'travel while under the influence of alcohol' poses to your fellow man, a jury of 12 peers would probably, if lead by reason alone, find in favour of the claim.

I also contend that a jury of 12 peers does not reuire statute rules and regulations to adjudicate on matters based on reason and common sense.

[bsmurph83]

bsmurph, I read your full post 127 but I forsee problems. Although an action such as I describe could be considered childish and should not be encouraged and indeed condemned, a Freeman is still free to conduct such behaviour under common law at will, without fear of reprisal or punishment or even criticism from his fellow man.
If responsible behaviour has now to be examined and defined as well as harm or loss, then I am of the opinion that "harm or loss" is not the only criteria.

well... not really, because if he harms someone he will then have to face a jury... the freeman would be cognizant of possible/likely outcomes and do his utmost to act to the highest standard, not skulk around looking for ways 'around' the law or around common sense and decency.

you harm people and one way or another, there will be consequences, regardless of jurisdiction.

responsible behaviour isn't that nebulous a concept to me. responsible behaviour is that which has the best interests of us and our fellow men and women at heart. if people are too thick to realise what this might entail from one moment to the next then let them languish as a legal fiction in the public realm until they learn.

it's gonna be a process. ppl will realise sooner or later that, while there may be ways of getting around statutes, there's ultimately no guaranteed foolproof real way of avoiding responsibility for harming ppl. this can be debated back and forth while we focus on apparent ambiguities, but ultimately such a debate just goes in circles. it already is! people will learn via the consequences of choices they make. if they don't, then... what?

most people are probably not that thick. given time, this will all sink in and be assimilated as people realise the benefits of acting for the greater good in a responsible, thinking, independent and adult manner (within common law). statute law discourages this type of insight overall because it discourages independent adult thought (with regards to areas that it should no interfere in).

some people seem to think common law is about 'lawlessness' or chaos. i don't see how someone who's done a modicum of reading on it can possibly reach such a silly conclusion. it's true that not everyone is ready to think within the framework of CL, but why should that stop those of us who are...

[dolores1]

The United Kingdom has three legal systems.[1] English law, which applies in England and Wales, and Northern Ireland law, which applies in Northern Ireland, are based on common-law principles. Scots law, which applies in Scotland, is a pluralistic system based on civil-law principles, with common law elements dating back to the High Middle Ages. The Treaty of Union, put into effect by the Acts of Union in 1707, guaranteed the continued existence of a separate law system for Scotland. The Acts of Union between Great Britain and Ireland in 1800 contained no equivalent provision but preserved the principle of separate courts to be held in Ireland, now Northern Ireland.

The Appellate Committee of the House of Lords (usually just referred to, as "The House of Lords") is the highest court in the land for all criminal and civil cases in England and Wales and Northern Ireland, and for all civil cases in Scots law. Recent constitutional changes will see the powers of the House of Lords transfer to EU

[dolores1]

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[the maestro]

If a freeman was caught drink-driving then they should have the decency to accept punishment and revert to their person status.

Why? They haven't necessarily done anything unlawful or caused harm.

Drink driving is very well covered under common law even if you haven't actually caused harm to life or property - if you are driving like a bellend and causing a nuisance to road users then you are prosecutable under common law. To be fair even under statute law the Police can't pull you over without a cause, so in theory if you are driving fine you are ok even if you have just drunk a bottle of vodka, although they often do pull you over without a valid reason.