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mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 06:05 AM

mrindigo

04-09-2009, 06:11 AM

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 06:20 AM

My thought comes from the perspective that people on these sites, think they are so awfully clever but my bet is your not half as clever as you think you are and you will end up getting burnt!!!

mr x

04-09-2009, 06:28 AM

A lot of people have been speculating about this for a while now.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

mrindigo

04-09-2009, 06:34 AM

My thought comes from the perspective that people on these sites, think they are so awfully clever but my bet is your not half as clever as you think you are and you will end up getting burnt!!!

I don't think I'm clever personally, though I can't speak for the majority. I'm only attempting to educate myself and get through life to the best of my ability. I would rather not be weighing out situations of potential genocide, crimes against humanity, a control over our species for longer than recorded history, etc. Unfortunately I'm not given the option to live life the way I want to, so I seek to try and find a peaceful way around that so I may. Hopefully many others do as well, yourself included.

I may burn, I may not. I'm not concerned with that. As a mere mortal man, I know my fate, but not the hour of my death. Death is an inevitability, so it doesn't matter if I die violently, or in my sleep after 90 years of experiencing life. I do know that the energy which sustains me reenters the great ether to help restart and recycle life anew. Knowing that, I'll die a happy and content person knowing I've helped to contribute to that just a little bit. :)

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 06:45 AM

My take on this is .... they want to get rid of a huge number of people on this Earth and most of these, on the most wanted list ....are NOT in the West eg....

If they offer you the swine flu vaccine, run down and get your shot because odds are, they are not offering it to Africans!!!!

redskywalker

04-09-2009, 06:49 AM

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 06:54 AM

^

Why of course because I am not going along with the fan club of lets all think we are so clever and wonderful and one step ahead of the elite.

redskywalker

04-09-2009, 07:02 AM

Why of course because I am not going along with the fan club of lets all think we are so clever and wonderful and one step ahead of the elite.

Do some research into vaccines, then come back and tell me to vaccinate my kids. Also, I am not a conspiracy nut!

gilly

04-09-2009, 07:13 AM

Why of course because I am not going along with the fan club of lets all think we are so clever and wonderful and one step ahead of the elite.

It sounds as though someon'e upset you mysticmolly!

As previously stated, what you're suggesting has already been speculated on here, and also that there may be various different strains of vaccine administered to different people.

Anything's possible.

It boils down to people here following their instinct, trying to do what they think is right, and attempting to read as much info as possible - and determine which of it is disinfo.

I'd rather try to be clever than just be stupid.

I can only hope nobody here's wishing we're being double-bluffed, so that they can score some sort of victory of the ego, as that strikes me as pretty cold.

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 07:15 AM

Do some research into vaccines, then come back and tell me to vaccinate my kids. Also, I am not a conspiracy nut!

I know all about vaccines and how supposedly dodgie they are but I have been fully vaccinated and so has everyone we know and we are all fine.

Also vaccines do work for the purpose they were designed for and have wiped out small pox and polio ..... things that used to kill etc...

There is still a place for vaccines.

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 07:18 AM

I can only hope nobody here's wishing we're being double-bluffed, so that they can score some sort of victory of the ego, as that strikes me as pretty cold.

I would not wish such a thing but it occurred to someone else other than myself .... that this could be, what is at play and yes, there could be various strains of the vaccine.

Who would know but knowing they wish to kill lots of people and most are not in the West .... I will take my chances with the vaccine!!!!

gilly

04-09-2009, 07:29 AM

I would not wish such a thing but it occurred to someone else other than myself .... that this could be, what is at play and yes, there could be various strains of the vaccine.

Who would know but knowing they wish to kill lots of people and most are not in the West .... I will take my chances with the vaccine!!!!

There's some evidence that the Polio vaccines administered in the Western world in the 50's & 60's were the unnamed (and otherwise unexplained) cause of a dramatic increase in cancer 30 or so years later - and that those in the know predicted this result accurately.

I'm not trying to persuade you to do anything other than what you think is right, but I do urge people to read as much as possible before deciding.

ceti

04-09-2009, 07:32 AM

insert egotistical pointless comment here 5 internets points awarded :Dextra point for silly face things :rolleyes::confused::(

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 07:33 AM

There's some evidence that the Polio vaccines administered in the Western world in the 50's & 60's were the unnamed (and otherwise unexplained) cause of a dramatic increase in cancer 30 or so years later - and that those in the know predicted this result accurately.

Maybe there is some truth in that but cancers are mostly an inherited thing, where as, some families have lots of cancer and in them and others have none or almost none. Cancer is not something that has touched my family and we are lucky in that respect.

I guess you can get research to say anything??? It could just as likely have been from our altered diet?

jason sands

04-09-2009, 07:38 AM

How to get rid of conspiracy nuts!!!

Hire Nazi squirrel mercenaries :cool:

ceti

04-09-2009, 07:42 AM

How to get rid of conspiracy nuts!!!

Hire Nazi squirrel mercenaries :cool:

see they already have machine guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejOm1V0Qpvk

gilly

04-09-2009, 07:42 AM

Maybe there is some truth in that but cancers are mostly an inherited thing, where as, some families have lots of cancer and in them and others have none or almost none. Cancer is not something that has touched my family and we are lucky in that respect.

I guess you can get research to say anything??? It could just as likely have been from our altered diet?

I've recommended this book before - Dr Mary's Monkey, byEd Haslam is very informative. Maybe google it. If you choose not to look at this sort of information, you're making important choices from a position of (no offence intended) ignorance.

redskywalker

04-09-2009, 07:44 AM

I know all about vaccines and how supposedly dodgie they are but I have been fully vaccinated and so has everyone we know and we are all fine.

Also vaccines do work for the purpose they were designed for and have wiped out small pox and polio ..... things that used to kill etc...

There is still a place for vaccines.

This shall be the last time I respond to anything you say anywhere here. You may be/think you are all fine and I aknowledge that as your truth, and as such we may all be happy. My family however KNOW DIFFERENT!

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 10:12 AM

Well I had swine flu three weeks ago, the new version that goes straight for your lungs and it hits you like a stream train and this is very healthy people .... you will be coughing your lungs out and bringing up huge piles of green muck.

It is very nasty, I know someone who had to go on steroids and serious antibiotics to get over it and this is just someone I know personally.

So good for me, I don't need the vaccine because I now have natural immunity but if this bug gets any stronger, you maybe praying you had taken the vaccine, when the bug finally finds you.

I wonder how many people would stick to their taking no vaccines, if a serious bug like small pox was doing the rounds .. I wouldn't mind betting most would run for the vaccine.

armoured_amazon

04-09-2009, 10:16 AM

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 10:20 AM

Considering Tamiflu is left over avian flu stock, thus unnecessary in treatment of swine flu, I don't think I'll be taking the vaccine, kthx. And you SAY you had swine flu, did you just decide it? Sounds like you just had a virus. You're not very mystic, are you?

Swine flu has been doing the rounds were I am big time ...so I am pretty sure I had it but as no one is being tested for it, no one can be fully sure that is what they have or got but the bug was way nastier than any normal flu!

Why does everyone get so pissed if you say swine flu is bad and you actually may have to be worried about it .... you all think it is some hoax????

Where did I mention Tamiflu, no one is taking tamiflu??? Not that I know of anyway...

beldazar

04-09-2009, 10:23 AM

It sounds as though someon'e upset you mysticmolly!

As previously stated, what you're suggesting has already been speculated on here, and also that there may be various different strains of vaccine administered to different people.

Anything's possible.

It boils down to people here following their instinct, trying to do what they think is right, and attempting to read as much info as possible - and determine which of it is disinfo.

I'd rather try to be clever than just be stupid.

I can only hope nobody here's wishing we're being double-bluffed, so that they can score some sort of victory of the ego, as that strikes me as pretty cold.

Great post Gilly. My sentiments also

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 10:30 AM

Great post Gilly. My sentiments also

Yeah course, I am out to get you all, trick you into taking the vaccine!!! lol

I am just playing devils advocate here and suggesting something else maybe at play and also pointing out that swine flu is one hell of a nasty bug and if by some chance it wasn't swine flu we all had ... then you need to worried about a second type of flu, that is also very nasty so two flu's instead of one?

beldazar

04-09-2009, 10:33 AM

Yeah course, I am out to get you all, trick you into taking the vaccine!!! lol

I am just playing devils advocate here and suggesting something else maybe at play and at the very least .... pointing out that swine flu is one hell of a nasty bug and if by some chance it wasn't swine flu we all had ... then you need to worried about a second type of flu that is very nasty so two flu's instead of one.

Hey I.m not having a go, it very fleetingly passed my mind too...then I remembered the 3 odd years of research I have done into the vaccination, that and a pinch of common sense.....,.

armoured_amazon

04-09-2009, 10:37 AM

Swine flu has been doing the rounds were I am big time ...so I am pretty sure I had it but as no one is being tested for it, no one can be fully sure that is what they have or got but the bug was way nastier than any normal flu!

Why does everyone get so pissed if you say swine flu is bad and you actually may have to be worried about it .... you all think it is some hoax????

Where did I mention Tamiflu, no one is taking tamiflu??? Not that I know of anyway...

You didn't mention Tamiflu, I did. I mentioned that Tamiflu is just a way of pharma getting rid of excess avian stock - which in my unqualified opinion, seems odd to treat swine flu with it - and the reason people roll their eyes is because all the symptoms needed for over-the-phone diagnosis of swine flu are identical to any other seasonal flu. Swine flu has been doing the rounds? Hysteria. GPs bonuses. Many 'sufferers' just want the "I beat the Swine Flu!" t shirt so they can tell all their friends. Or the sick note, so they can skive off.

I hear swine flu is less nasty than normal flu, so I guess you've never had a full on flu. Or you didn't have swine flu. Either way, if the vaccine was safe, I'd take it. But it's not.

Hey I.m not having a go, it very fleetingly passed my mind too...then I remembered the 3 odd years of research I have done into the vaccination, that and a pinch of common sense.....,.

Innit?

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 10:38 AM

Hey I.m not having a go, it very fleetingly passed my mind too...then I remembered the 3 odd years of research I have done into the vaccination, that and a pinch of common sense.....,.

Well I won't be taking the vaccine because I think I have already had it.. but I can assure I was very sick and I usually get over the flu very easily, this was no ordinary flu .... who knows, it may not get any stronger but maybe it will .... anyway not my concern, I have already had it and thank God for that!!!!

That is unless they are putting some protection in the vaccine against something worse yet to be released and then I maybe up shit creek???

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 10:43 AM

I hear swine flu is less nasty than normal flu, so I guess you've never had a full on flu. Or you didn't have swine flu.

That is just an absurd thing to say, everyone has had flu, do you think some people are lucky enough not to have every had flu!

WHO is reporting this new version of swine flu that goes straight for the lungs ...... You will know for yourself soon enough, it is very contagious so I imagine you will all get the wonderful pleasure of having swine flu and then you can decide for yourself.

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 11:26 AM

This shall be the last time I respond to anything you say anywhere here. You may be/think you are all fine and I aknowledge that as your truth, and as such we may all be happy. My family however KNOW DIFFERENT!

No need to get all bent out of shape, it wasn't some kind of personal attack on you ... you know?

ex sheep

04-09-2009, 11:29 AM

bobbydiva

04-09-2009, 11:30 AM

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 11:38 AM

This is all shit.
Give us the lowdown on what YOU feel is going to happen !!!!!

With a name like yours "you" should be giving all the advice:D

Look I just put forward a devil advocate kind of theory or idea, who knows what the elite are really up to?

No need for people to get all bent out of shape at me.... All I am also saying is that myself and people I know, have all just had a very nasty flu that goes straight for the lungs and makes you extremely ill and this could be the new stronger strain of swine flu that WHO is reporting and maybe it will get worse, who knows... nobody can believe half of what is reported etc in the media but I can believe what I caught and what I know and so that is my truth.

mrflathunter

04-09-2009, 11:40 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7UgKCJwzOY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fvideosear ch%3Fq%3Dtamiflu%2BGMTV%26hl%3Den%26emb%3D0%26aq%3 Df&feature=player_embedded

Andrew Castle doesnt seem very happy with what happened to his daughter - and this was just tamiflu.

Richard Price wasnt too happy either....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1206215/Tamiflu-turned-children-hallucinating-sobbing-wrecks.html

I hate most western medicine, and never even take paracetamol - let alone vaccines. Not cos ''i think i'm so clever'' (pot calling the kettle black methinks) - just dont believe in its effectiveness.

''Let food be your medicine'' Hippocrates said this. Nowadays we do the opposite

gilly

04-09-2009, 11:45 AM

Not a happy thought, but believing the vaccine to be potentially dangerous/lethal, does not automatically preclude a belief that the man-made virus it's allegedly made to combat is also potentially dangerous/lethal though, does it?

tusme

04-09-2009, 11:47 AM

Hey Mysticmolly,

If survival is the purpose of your existence, then, "conspiracy nuts" are the least of our "worries"...it's tptb, with their seemingly limitless "negative agenda" (intended for the masses), who are the real conspirators...!!

Whatever your sentiments may be, re, "swine flu" & "vaccines", ignoring the "big picture", makes you part of the problem...unfortunately. :(

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 11:52 AM

Oh dear ... too tired to care any more.

I was just putting forward the idea there maybe some hidden agenda, that was all........

budgeebird

04-09-2009, 12:01 PM

For the vaccine to be anything near effective, it has to be a nasal spray IMO....

They are more or less targeting the wrong part of the immune system by making it an injection, since we get the flu by breathing it in. If the flu were anything like tetanus, an injection approach would be justified, but it's not. But like tetanus vaccine, it seems like they intend to save money by taking a shortcut on quality and adding an adjuvant, squalene. So, happy rheumatoid or MS or ALS, mysticmolly :p

I seriously recommend everyone to read up on Gulf War syndrome...

-budgee

beldazar

04-09-2009, 12:11 PM

For the vaccine to be anything near effective, it has to be a nasal spray IMO....

-budgee

Oh you mean like the 'flu mist?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/10/04/flumist-vaccine.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqe40-REclU

Right! Thats it! Pc going off!

I'm absolutely livid that people on this forum see drugs as a good idea!

After reading on the headlines page that the swine flu is mandatory for U.S. marines
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/swineflu/news/sep0209military.html
my sister advocating the swine flu vaccine AND guardasil
I've decided that this is just too much! :mad:

(I mean no offense to you Budgeebird, its an accumulation of several different readings that has brought me to this)

Is there ANY hope? :(

tusme

04-09-2009, 12:35 PM

Oh dear ... too tired to care any more.

I was just putting forward the idea there maybe some hidden agenda, that was all........
Nothing wrong with "putting forward an idea", is there...!? :)

Considering the title of this (your) thread, however, does that not make you a "conspiracy nut", too? :confused: :)

Imho, there's nothing "hidden about tptb's agenda", anymore...of-course, the "details" (of their operations) might be, but, the current Truth consciousness sweeping this physical dimension is exposing their fear to themselves and each other, and thus, out of desperation, their "hidden agenda" is suddenly not so hidden any longer...good!! :)

Indeed, it is good to "care"...observing the "big picture", though, means we should never grow "tired"...not while tptb are relentlessly trying to kill and destroy us all, or alternatively, trying to control and enslave us all...!! :(

budgeebird

04-09-2009, 12:38 PM

Oh you mean like the 'flu mist?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/10/04/flumist-vaccine.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/10/04/flumist-vaccine.aspx)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqe40-REclU

Right! Thats it! Pc going off!

I'm absolutely livid that people on this forum see drugs as a good idea!

After reading on the headlines page that the swine flu is mandatory for U.S. marines
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/swineflu/news/sep0209military.html
my sister advocating the swine flu vaccine AND guardasil
I've decided that this is just too much! :mad:

(I mean no offense to you Budgeebird, its an accumulation of several different readings that has brought me to this)

Is there ANY hope? :(

Hmm.. never heard of it. But for me it's just illogical to push an injection against an airborne, upper respiratory virus. Clearly a gimmick. But the fools keep coming every year by the thousand.

It's always the "vaccinated" people though, that seem to spread the flu. I always remind people to wash hands and cover their mouths with a hankie when they sneeze. Best protection against recirculating the flu.

Anyway, if you ask me as to what i think about the shot, well, i haven't had a flu in ten years, and don't feel like i want to get the "flu shot" even if it is "free", because I DON'T WANT A FLU! A flu is always free of charge in nature, heh heh...but it's PEOPLE that've figured out how to give someone a flu AND take money for it...calculated insanity :rolleyes:

Anyway, take care...

-budgee

armoured_amazon

04-09-2009, 03:20 PM

Hmm.. never heard of it. But for me it's just illogical to push an injection against an airborne, upper respiratory virus. Clearly a gimmick. But the fools keep coming every year by the thousand.

It's always the "vaccinated" people though, that seem to spread the flu. I always remind people to wash hands and cover their mouths with a hankie when they sneeze. Best protection against recirculating the flu.

Anyway, if you ask me as to what i think about the shot, well, i haven't had a flu in ten years, and don't feel like i want to get the "flu shot" even if it is "free", because I DON'T WANT A FLU! A flu is always free of charge in nature, heh heh...but it's PEOPLE that've figured out how to give someone a flu AND take money for it...calculated insanity :rolleyes:

Anyway, take care...

-budgee

LOL! Ain't that the truth!

decim

04-09-2009, 03:55 PM

The vaccine 'they' use every year for flu, is less than 40% effective.
Vaccines guarantee NOTHING.
They do Guarantee You are gambling with Your health if you take vaccines which are manufactured Purely for profit.

Ever heard the phrase used by vaccine cheerleaders "Herd Immunity"?

This phrase perfectly illustrates what the FPharmers think of the general Goypulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V0u82TBmFo

lase

04-09-2009, 04:45 PM

I know all about vaccines and how supposedly dodgie they are but I have been fully vaccinated and so has everyone we know and we are all fine.

For me to believe this. I'd want to have this conversation with you in 15 to 20 years time.

yozhik

04-09-2009, 05:02 PM

Well I had swine flu three weeks ago, the new version that goes straight for your lungs and it hits you like a stream train and this is very healthy people .... you will be coughing your lungs out and bringing up huge piles of green muck.
How do you know it was Swine Flu?

Did the doctor tell you it was Swine Flu?
Did the laboratory tests prove it was Swine Flu

It is very nasty, I know someone who had to go on steroids and serious antibiotics to get over it and this is just someone I know personally.
Steroids and anti-biotics for Swine Flu?
Really?
Sounds more like a treatment for a lung infection or pneumonia.

So good for me, I don't need the vaccine because I now have natural immunity but if this bug gets any stronger, you maybe praying you had taken the vaccine, when the bug finally finds you.
Nope.
No praying for the vaccine here.

I wonder how many people would stick to their taking no vaccines, if a serious bug like small pox was doing the rounds .. I wouldn't mind betting most would run for the vaccine.
I believe the expression is "informed consent".

yozhik

04-09-2009, 05:03 PM

There is still a place for vaccines.

Correct.
The nearest toxic waste disposal site.

yozhik

04-09-2009, 05:06 PM

Why does everyone get so pissed if you say swine flu is bad and you actually may have to be worried about it .... you all think it is some hoax????

Hoax?
No.

It is very real.

It is a very real campaign of biochem-warfare upon the population.
It is a very real campaign of terrorism by the governments via WHO.

yozhik

04-09-2009, 05:11 PM

You didn't mention Tamiflu, I did. I mentioned that Tamiflu is just a way of pharma getting rid of excess avian stock

For those member interested in the killing power of Tamiflu, please read the following;

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1222061&postcount=626
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1224065&postcount=630

george tatum

04-09-2009, 05:27 PM

I know people who have had swine flu. It's pretty much like normal flu. I've yet to meet anyone who has become bedridden, diseased, mentally unstable or otherwise from having a vaccination.

I'll put down my entire life savings on the following things happening -

1) The vaccinations story will be largely forgotten in a year and very little will have happened to suggest any conspiracy. People will be debating something else. It will be consigned to the history books along with 'bird flu'.

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 06:27 PM

Steroids and anti-biotics for Swine Flu?
Really?
Sounds more like a treatment for a lung infection or pneumonia.

Yes that is right the virus hits like a stream train and goes straight for your lungs which shortly afterwards feel like they weigh a ton, you can't talk properly and at night my throat was so full of flem, I felt like I might suffocate.

Myself personally I didn't go to the doctors because there are notices up everywhere making you not welcome anywhere even the bloody doctors if you are infected and so I just struggled on with it and got over it by myself, this other lady I know went but most of us have just struggled and gotten over it but it goes down as being our worst flu yet.

I have never coughed so much or so hard and the green stuff is yucky and yes one is worried they may actually not get well and just snuff it almost .... having said that if I had gotten even just a little bit sicker I would have gone to the doctors, as this woman did because she was sicker and felt like she might die, she needed steroids and antibiotics and claimed to have be extremely ill. It is definitely a virus and it behaves like it has given you a lung infection or pneumonia.

For all of those saying they know someone who has had it and it was mild, well they haven't had this what ever this bug is and it is probably what WHO is now warning about, this new strain of swine flu that goes straight from the lungs and is very serious. Almost everyone I know has now had this virus so it is very contagious and we didn't give it to each other we are separate enough, that that wasn't the case.

kanz

04-09-2009, 06:33 PM

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 06:42 PM

Doctors are reporting a severe form of swine flu that goes straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organization said on Friday.

Some countries are reporting that as many as 15 percent of patients infected with the new H1N1 pandemic virus need hospital care, further straining already overburdened healthcare systems, WHO said in an update on the pandemic.

“During the winter season in the southern hemisphere, several countries have viewed the need for intensive care as the greatest burden on health services,” it said.

http://thegovmonitor.com/world_news/united_states/who-warns-of-severe-strain-of-swine-flu-2519.html

freespark

04-09-2009, 06:46 PM

Why of course because I am not going along with the fan club of lets all think we are so clever and wonderful and one step ahead of the elite.

Sounds like you got a bit of a chip on your shoulder tbh.

beldazar

04-09-2009, 06:48 PM

Sounds like you got a bit of a chip on your shoulder tbh.

or a fog on the brain :rolleyes:

mysticmolly

04-09-2009, 06:50 PM

Think what you like .... you will all change your tune when the this new lung swine flu hits your neighbourhood and if it gets any worse ....I will feel sorry for you.

I notice all the time on this site .... people want to reject all evidence and just think they know best but at the same time go along with the widest reports of conspiracy eg the vaccine etc...

beldazar

04-09-2009, 06:54 PM

Think what you like .... you will all change your tune when the this new lung swine flu hits your neighbourhood and if it gets any worse ....I will feel sorry for you.

Well run along and take your vaccine then! :rolleyes:

Sorry if I sound a little peeved but you have access to SO MUCH information regarding the vaccination programmes, SO MUCH! So I dont understand where you are coming from?

you post a link from the BBC website to fight your cause but have you even stopped to think its a counter-attack? Many people are starting to realise that this 'supposed' swine flu isnt as it seems so they are GOING TO come up with something like this so people go for the vaccine! :mad:

itsallinus

04-09-2009, 07:19 PM

No vaccine for me thanks, if I have made the wrong choice then so what? I can't wait to get off this planet and if some little virus wants to help me out then so be it. I am not afraid of the death process as imo its just a gateway. I would like to see what the end result of 2012 is but that's about it. Evidence don't mean shit if you don't give a shit :D

jm22

04-09-2009, 07:28 PM

I'll take the risk and trust my immune system and other influences to not be harmed by the coming 'pandemic'.

rockinrobinsuk

04-09-2009, 07:47 PM

I don't think the truthers make up 90% of the worlds population so your theory in my opinion is poo:D

branjo

04-09-2009, 07:53 PM

Put about the rumour that the swine flu vaccine is deadly and it should not be taken and let it spread to all of the truther forums.

Then add a special ingredient to the vaccine to protect against a killer virus you intend to release to get rid of all the nuisance people in the world eg in Africa etc and let the conspiracy nuts go down with them!!!!

Problem solved !!!!

The only thing that I see spreading through the "truther forums" as you call them, is more and more people making ridiculously titled threads claiming all sorts of things.

Your reasoning for taking the flu jab is that if they are not giving it to Africans and they want to get rid of Africans then by offering it to us then they must hold us in a higher regard, right?

Well maybe the reasons (if you are indeed correct) they are not giving it to Africans is for,

1. They don't seem to be in a position to further the greed of those that set themselves as our rulers, they are not exactly in the position to be consumers as money and resources are a little tight, and the natural resources where they may live are already owned.

2. They don't seem like they can be indoctrinated much further into any belief system as they have seen only too well what the western world has done with their own belief structures and they are pretty much aware that they are on their own from here on in.

3. They will fight anyone that tries to push them around and they will gladly kill and die doing it, they are under no illusion about the frailty of life as they live it day to day.

Now with all that being said what makes you think that the swine flu is the real issue here? Never forget the real issue is about control and the life span of that control. If the government/s of the world can convince people to take the swine flu jab then that's a pretty good indication that they could step it up and convince them of something else.

Maybe the vaccine is the real issue here, for one of many possible examples, the RFID chip you see some dude holding between his fingers, is about the equivalent to the size of a computer in the 1950's. Does anyone really believe that the military grade trackers are that big and rudimentary? There are a million reasons for a governing body wanting to inoculate people, seldom are they probably for the good of the people. They never seem to do anything with one purpose in mind, there is always an ulterior motive for anything that is widespread as this pathetic attempt to instill fear in people.

Think about it, the "governing" body trying to make us all take a vaccine that is proving even riskier than the thing it is supposed to protect us from and all the time they are building deep underground military bases because they think the end of the world is coming, I mean is anyone prepared to listen to someone tell you how to stay healthy while they are running for the hills?

The knowledge that every one has, and I have heard my own dear old mother say this, "they are coming out with all of these drugs that do this or that and they never have found a cure for the common cold", yet you are advocating we all run out and get the vaccine cause its better to be safe than sorry?

Sorry but that one just doesn't compute with me, also those symptoms you describe are exactly like any flu I have ever had, Sore head and throat, sweats hot and cold, bit light headed, mucusy chesty cough, followed by or coupled with a good dose of the shits.

The Swine flu may be the latest "why" and the vaccine is the latest "how", the whys and hows may not be clear as yet to us, but the law of common sense says to me, they sure as shit aren't the whys and hows of truth that I am hearing from doctors and health departments.

So from your backtracking from pro vaccine to "I'm just playing devils advocate here" back to "Think what you like .... you will all change your tune when the this new lung swine flu hits your neighbourhood and if it gets any worse ....I will feel sorry for you".

What exactly is your stance, take it or not take it?

rodin

04-09-2009, 08:50 PM

Oh dear ... too tired to care any more.

I was just putting forward the idea there maybe some hidden agenda, that was all........

I hear ya BTW. I am surprised @ the personal attacks - you are just thinking like a contrarian.

Some information FWIW

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_400_Eye_of_Newt__Green_Mo nkey_Kidney--Like_Cartoon_from_Walt_Disney_Sept032009.mp3

leviathanstaar

04-09-2009, 08:51 PM

People should factor in the probability of where the 'outbreaks' are really coming from.

lol @ vaccines are safe. Tell the Gardasil girls that one.

Double bluff or not, real danger or not, it's starting to look suspiciously as though it's all also a prelude or distraction for other events.

There would be a place for vaccines, were there not biological weapons attached right along with the medicine.

luten2012

04-09-2009, 09:21 PM

If a mass amount of 'Truthers' were erased from the planet in one swoop then surely that would force every other human being on the face of the planet to begin questioning things...So I don't think that would help tptb

reptileslayer

04-09-2009, 09:21 PM

I know all about vaccines and how supposedly dodgie they are but I have been fully vaccinated and so has everyone we know and we are all fine.

Also vaccines do work for the purpose they were designed for and have wiped out small pox and polio ..... things that used to kill etc...

There is still a place for vaccines.
Long term affects mysticmolly, let me know how your health is in 10 years time.
thats if the planet is still in one piece.

anthony65

04-09-2009, 09:35 PM

Long term affects mysticmolly, let me know how your health is in 10 years time.
thats if the planet is still in one piece.

Or speak to the many, many families who have seen their children develop autism and other health problems.

Look at the ingredients that have been used in vaccines.

beldazar

04-09-2009, 11:14 PM

A site created by MEDICAL DOCTORS warning of the dangers of vaccines. No supposed 'conspiracy nuts' in sight!

http://www.medicalvoices.org/

A BIG thankyou to our new member Simplydivineb for posting it :)

decim

04-09-2009, 11:30 PM

And thank you beldazar for passing it on.

http://www.medicalvoices.org/

decim

04-09-2009, 11:36 PM

Here's the best 'vaccine' you can get for 'bugs' & virii, get one while stocks last.
No added salt & No need to inject any junk into your bloodstream.
Lungs, you gotta love'em.

http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/images/3m-6800.jpg

beldazar

04-09-2009, 11:37 PM

And thank you beldazar for passing it on.

http://www.medicalvoices.org/

Yeah this is a good one! People put too much trust in doctors, perhaps if they hear what the doctors are saying it could Round up the last nay-sayers ;)

decim

04-09-2009, 11:43 PM

Yes I was trusting of my GP until he prescribed me a slow painful death with this sh#te. MURdER.

Read up on this poison he wanted me to take 3 times a day.
Just one side effect makes your skin detach from the body & die, another causes Permanent disablement.

This was prescribed on a verbal consultation, with NO tests at all.

I urge EVERYONE to check out online What exactly it is that they have been prescribed, BEFORE getting it filled & taking it.!!

Ofloxacin<---Death in Pill form
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofloxacin

Yeah this is a good one! People put too much trust in doctors, perhaps if they hear what the doctors are saying it could Round up the last nay-sayers ;)

beldazar

04-09-2009, 11:49 PM

Wow Decim :(

I would go one further....sack you bloody doctor!

(unless he/she is a member of that forum ;))

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 12:01 AM

I hear ya BTW. I am surprised @ the personal attacks - you are just thinking like a contrarian.

Thanks for your reply and the radio tape that fact of the matter is this stuff has gone crazy .... people are no longer thinking logically about things but following this new RELIGION called whatever Alex Jones, David Icke, truthers whatever

The vaccine thing is just part of that, ask someone who is in their sixties about how life was and they will tell you, they went to school with kids crippled from polio, all that stopped when we all got vaccinated.

These shows don"t bother to say that, they don't bother to tell you that small pox is now gone apart from in a lab and that is from vaccines.

People are no longer thinking with their brains but with the new brains of lets drag up ever little mistake etc and blow it up like a big balloon .... lets forget all about the fact that most people have had countless vaccines and carry on being healthy people and not just for ten years but for the rest of their lifes.

I have been vaccinated against these things that I know of ...

Hepatitis B - all three shots
Polio
Small pox
Diphtheria
Tetanus
I have had the flu shot a few times, years ago now though

Did I get any of these things, NO, did anybody else around us get these things NO. Did we suddenly all drop dead or become ill .... even ill thirty years later NO!

So a lot of this is hot air blowing around to terrorise us and you have to wonder who is the biggest terrorist .... I think it is the truth movement because you terrify everybody .... the general public is happy and content, I wonder why that is!!!!

People who think sensibly with their own brains and are not all worked up about these things because they saw the benefit of them in with their own eyes!

That is why you will never brainwash the general public because most of them still have a brain in their heads and remember these things or at least granny does.

As for they are out to kill us we are all slaves!!!

OK what about those single mums who end up being helped by the government, they get a roof over their heads and food on the table and the kids get feed and educated ...it that all some plot ???

A lot of what gets said is over blown shit and you forget about the good that is out there. I am beginning to think the biggest bloody terrorists are you guys!!!!

What if you scare people not to have the vaccine and then they die by the thousands... will you feel OK with that????

beldazar

05-09-2009, 12:16 AM

Oh dear! you didnt even bother to listen to the radio show that Rodin posted did you? :rolleyes:

grenadene

05-09-2009, 12:17 AM

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 12:21 AM

Oh dear! you didnt even bother to listen to the radio show that Rodin posted did you? :rolleyes:

I listened to ever single word and then remembered what my mother told me of her childhood and kids she went to school with that were crippled with polio and how miserable they were etc ... and how all that stopped once the vaccine was introduced.

I remember that I was raised on welfare and we had food etc because the government chose to have a welfare system in place.... and I have always had my teeth and medical cares taken care of and not by people who were out to kill me!!!!

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 12:44 AM

The program may have changed now and the round up is due but think with your brain and not all of this brainwashing...

What happens if you get seriously injured, in most countries you are picked up, taken to hospital and given loving care till you are well again.

My daughters friend was recently hit by a four wheel drive, what did she have to do, nothing, people rung an ambulance for her .... they came and got her and took her to hospital, where the government then spent thousands upon thousands, getting her up and about again and in as good a shape as they could possibly manage.....

Yes ... what terrible monsters that are indeed!!!!

refusetoconsent

05-09-2009, 12:57 AM

It is confusing, but you have to ask yourself why they are so desperate for every one to have it. Wierd for a few reasons.
1. 5000 people a year die from normal flu (an NHS number) in the UK and have done for years, but their body counter only reached just over a hundred before they stopped reporting it.
2. they have the balls to call it a vaccine, it does not offer immunity, and its definately not a cure. The best to hope for ,we are told, is cutting the effects of symptoms by a day (sounds like a placebo to me)
3. Having to go back for second and third shots?(they are calling them boosters) either you have immunity or you dont there is no grey area.
4. They are waiting the results of the testing, but in the meantime want to inject pregnant women! this is the one that gets me , human trails usually take years ( i seem to remember a blokes hands went black and a few died on one trail a couple of years ago).
I dont care whats in it, the points above are enough for me. Everyone has to make there own mind up. My only worry is that we wont get the choice.

decim

05-09-2009, 01:03 AM

Feckin pyrates they are.

I have posted all the injurious info on ofloxacin under vaccines, medical forum.

Wow Decim :(

I would go one further....sack you bloody doctor!

(unless he/she is a member of that forum ;))

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 01:03 AM

Doctors are reporting a severe form of swine flu that goes straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organization said on Friday.

http://thegovmonitor.com/world_news/united_states/who-warns-of-severe-strain-of-swine-flu-2519.html

My recent experience with it was this

The virus hits like a stream train and goes straight for your lungs which shortly afterwards feel like they weigh a ton, you can't talk properly and at night my throat was so full of flem, I felt like I might suffocate.

Myself personally I didn't go to the doctors because there are notices up everywhere making you not welcome anywhere even the bloody doctors if you are infected and so I just struggled on with it and got over it by myself, this other lady I know went but most of us have just struggled and gotten over it but it goes down as being our worst flu yet.

I have never coughed so much or so hard and the green stuff is yucky and yes one is worried they may actually not get well and just snuff it almost .... having said that if I had gotten even just a little bit sicker I would have gone to the doctors, as this woman did because she was sicker and felt like she might die, she needed steroids and antibiotics and claimed to have been extremely ill. It is definitely a virus and it behaves like it has given you a lung infection or pneumonia.

For all of those saying they know someone who has had it and it was mild, well they haven't had this what ever this bug is and it is probably what WHO is now warning about, this new strain of swine flu that goes straight from the lungs and is very serious. Almost everyone I know has now had this virus so it is very contagious and we didn't give it to each other we are separate enough, that that wasn't the case.

So who knows but the bug is changing and is becoming very serious ....

decim

05-09-2009, 01:14 AM

Anti-Biotics will do Nothing for a viral infection.

It is definitely a virus and it behaves like it has given you a lung infection or pneumonia.

tusme

05-09-2009, 01:17 AM

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 01:17 AM

Anti-Biotics will do Nothing for a viral infection.

No but this thing very quickly turns to pneumonia or a serious bacterial lung infection and antibiotics work on those, so don't believe the whole ... if it is a virus antibiotics won't work. They just don't help with the plain virus bit which changes in serious illness.

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 01:22 AM

Hi Mysticmolly,

In case you didn't know, the "agenda" is to reduce the World's population from 6.5 billion to 500 million...?

Mind telling us how "vaccinations" would work against the "negative (spirit) energy" projected at mankind, by tptb...!? :confused:

My original theory here was that they will save the western countries peoples and wipe out the vulnerable and those not wanted elsewhere?

If we get this sick .... we have good medical care .... how will it effect people in poorer nations where their health is already not in a good way because of poor living standards. Most of the population on Earth is in these third world countries.

tusme

05-09-2009, 01:56 AM

My original theory here was that they will save the western countries peoples and wipe out the vulnerable and those not wanted elsewhere?

If we get this sick .... we have good medical care .... how will it effect people in poorer nations where their health is already not in a good way because of poor living standards. Most of the population on Earth is in these third world countries.
Well, to a point, your "theory" does makes sense, however, what's the point of "saving the western countries peoples", if they're only gonna end up being slaves (to tptb), anyway...!? :confused:

And this is my problem with your "theory", Mysticmolly, that you seem to be focussing all your energies on the "physical"...when they (tptb), are even more so using "negative (spirit) energy", in their attempts to achieve their objective...

As for, "most of the population on Earth is in these third world countries."...if you didn't know, that too, is intentional...!! Otherwise, 1st World, 3rd World and Developing World is all man-made...thus, a CON...!!

If you'd known this, then you'd also have known that "swine-flu" and the "vaccines" too, are man-made...and at least, intentional...!!

broadperspective

05-09-2009, 02:06 AM

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 02:19 AM

If you'd known this, then you'd also have known that "swine-flu" and the "vaccines" too, are man-made...and at least, intentional...!!

Yes I am aware that this as probably the case ... the point is to work out why have they done it and I think the simple reasons put forward by most seem like they maybe off....

To say they simply want to kill people in the West, seems well short sighted ...I think their goals are much larger than this and why kill the West off ... their well fed, trained and useful slaves .... seems well like shooting yourself in the foot...

Surely the goal is to get at all those other peoples who they have almost no control over and are running wild in the third world?

What use are most of them, apart from the people in China of course who make our clothes for cents per hour in wages.

However most of the people in the third world are of no use what so ever to the elite and mean nothing to them except vermin to be gotten rid of ....

The evidence they have been trying to kill off the Africans is pretty widely known and not very well covered up, as apposed to us, who they have given good welfare and health care services to.

You don"t have to think very hard to realise who they care about and who they do not care about.

notthisshitagain

05-09-2009, 02:22 AM

The evidence they have been trying to kill off the Africans is pretty widely known and not very well covered up, as apposed to us, who they have given good welfare and health care services to.

They're just killing you in a different way. Lol. :p

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 02:27 AM

Vaccines overwork our immune systems for starters. You need to simply keep your immune system strong with the enzymes, minerals, vitamins that will do so, combined with a good diet and making sure your ph level slightly remains more on the alkaline side than the acidic one.

Your body was always naturally designed to defend itself against anything, as long as it is maintened in proper functioning form.

This is the kind of stuff you want in you ?
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/humour+sur+les+vaccins/video/xac9uu_humour-sur-les-vaccins-st_fun488a4b-94e5-47af-b84f-a28576548f35%26id?202&guid?DDED3E-CADA-45AA-A9BB-49270EA83BEB

Fine but it is a myth that a healthy immune system will not get you over polio or small pox and you will come out unaffected.

Healthy people can do go down very hard and die of viruses.. this new concept you are saying is pure and utter bullshit.

I have just had the new improved version of swine flu and I am a very healthy person and it hit like a steam train, it wouldn't have to get much stronger to be absolutely lethal to far more people.

Flu in the past has killed millions of healthy people, like the 1918 flu?

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 02:30 AM

They're just killing you in a different way. Lol. :p

Of course they run all these TV programs on how to get slim and fit, just for the hell of it .... they are not really trying to educate you in how to live a long and healthy life?

broadperspective

05-09-2009, 02:37 AM

Flu in the past has killed millions of healthy people, like the 1918 flu?

I WAS AN ON-THE-SPOT OBSERVER OF THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC

All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty, one day would be dead the next. The disease had the characteristics of the black death added to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following World War 1. Practically the entire population had been injected "seeded" with a dozen or more diseases — or toxic serums. When all those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic.

That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. We knew from the health teachings of Graham, Trail, Tilden and others, that people cannot contaminate the body with poisons without causing disease.

When the flu was at its peak, all the stores were closed as well as the schools, businesses — even the hospital, as the doctors and nurses had been vaccinated too and were down with the flu. No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. We seemed to be the only family which didn’t get the flu; so my parents went from house to house doing what they could to look after the sick, as it was impossible to get a doctor then. If it were possible for germs, bacteria, virus, or bacilli to cause disease, they had plenty of opportunity to attack my parents when they were spending many hours a day in the sick rooms. But they didn’t get the flu and they didn’t bring any germs home to attack us children and cause anything. None of our family had the flu — not even a sniffle— and it was in the winter with deep snow on the ground.

When I see people cringe when someone near them sneezes or coughs, I wonder how long it will take them to find out that they can’t catch it — whatever it is. The only way they can get a disease is to develop it themselves by wrong eating, drinking, smoking or doing some other things which cause internal poisoning and lowered vitality. All diseases are preventable and most of them are cureable with the right methods, not known to medical doctors, and not all drugless doctors know them either.

It has been said that the 1918 flu epidemic killed 20,000,000 people throughout the world. But, actually, the doctors killed them with their crude and deadly treatments and drugs. This is a harsh accusation but it is nevertheless true, judging by the success of the drugless doctors in comparison with that of the medical doctors.

While the medical men and medical hospitals were losing 33% of their flu cases, the non-medical hospitals such as BATTLE CREEK, KELLOGG and MACFADDEN’S HEALTH-RESTORIUM were getting almost 100% healings with their water cure, baths, enemas, etc., fasting and certain other simple healing methods, followed by carefully worked out diets of natural foods. One health doctor didn’t lose a patient in eight years. The very successful health treatment of one of those drugless doctors who didn’t lose any patients will be given in the other part of this book, titled VACCINATION CONDEMNED, to be published a little later.

If the medical doctors had been as advanced as the drugless doctors, there would not have been those 20 million deaths from the medical flu treatment.

There was seven times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had been vaccinated against. One soldier who had returned from overseas in 1912 told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why grown men should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine poisoning. Those at home didn’t get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf.html

whybeherenow

05-09-2009, 02:40 AM

I read somewhere (possibly on here) that healthy young people can die from viruses like swine flu due to a cytokine storm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm

"When the immune system is fighting pathogens, cytokines signal immune cells such as T-cells and macrophages to travel to the site of infection. In addition, cytokines activate those cells, stimulating them to produce more cytokines. Normally, this feedback loop is kept in check by the body. However, in some instances, the reaction becomes uncontrolled, and too many immune cells are activated in a single place."

It has been suggested that vaccinations may cause this to happen. Also read somewhere that smoking may prevent this from happening, but can't recall the source.

I tend to think TPTB are more concerned with diminishing fertility than killing us outright. Aren't life expectancies still increasing? Life expectancy for working class people in industrial towns in the first half of the 19th century was 27.:eek:

broadperspective

05-09-2009, 02:47 AM

It has been suggested that vaccinations may cause this to happen. Also read somewhere that smoking may prevent this from happening, but can't recall the source.:

Could it also be part of the underlying reasons in regards to the western world's effort to slowly ban smoking....

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 02:50 AM

So much myth and bull shit it is staggering....

You believe whatever you want but small pox etc were killing millions of people before vaccines were ever invented!!!!

Black plague which was probably a flu virus gone nuts, also killed thousands and thousands of people but not a vaccine in sight....

So what about that then!!!!!

broadperspective

05-09-2009, 03:00 AM

So much myth and bull shit it is staggering....

You believe whatever you want but small pox etc was killing millions of people before vaccines were ever invented!!!!

Black plague which was probably a flu virus gone nuts, also killed thousands and thousands of people but not a vaccine in sight....

So what about that then!!!!!

Small pox was not killing millions before vaccines..that's a lie ! And for the Black plague.....
diets and sanitary conditions had a lot to do with it....
Scurvy also spread way back because of a deficiency in vitamin C.....

If the grounds are set for disease to spread, it will !

Like tou said previously...believe what you want !!

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 03:11 AM

Small pox was not killing millions before vaccines..that's a lie !

Indigenous peoples in every country on Earth were almost wiped out by the so called white mans disease (smallpox). Ships used to leave harbour and it would break out and only a third or so of the population of the boat would arrive ... I think you need to check history and the vaccine was what got rid of small pox from the world.

ozpixie

05-09-2009, 03:21 AM

In our town hordes of people have said they were diagnosed with swine flu but none of them that I have spoken to had a blood test to confirm what strain of flu they had. All we spoke to said it was mild. Family members who did not have symptoms were given Tamiflu. One little girl we see often said she was the only one who did not have it in her family so she was 'vaccinated' instead.

Just as there are known massive risks to auto-immune health if you were to let someone inject the blood of another person into you without cross matching, so it follows logically that the same applies to the injection of other bodily tissues.
Add the deadly adjuvants to the brew and you are only asking for trouble - would you deliberately just inject a chemical randomly into yourself? Probably you would worry about it killing you. Just because people are doctors does not mean they know everything. A number of the diseases that result from these immune originated responses can take decades to show up.

If vaccine makers took our cells and cultured a vaccine to put back into us maybe it would be a safer practice.

broadperspective

05-09-2009, 03:21 AM

Smallpox
by Dr. Vivian Virginia Vetrano

A dead disease is being resurrected. Now the media will have something exciting to talk about everyday and to frighten the benighted American public with. For whatever reason, the revivification of smallpox is certainly on the current agenda.

Not too long ago Fox News showed us a picture of a man who was covered with smallpox pustules on his arms, face, legs and abdomen. The pustules were big, black, ugly, scabby and closely compacted. He looked like he was a monster from some other world. It was enough to scare me, were it not for the fact that I know that it was drug treatment that caused that ugly picture and not the disease at all. The cause of those ugly marks was carbolic acid that had been used to kill the supposed germ that caused the eruptive rash.

Who are the terrorists? The pharmaceutical companies or the Taliban? Because of what the terrorists may or may not do, the pharmaceutical industry (the largest industry in the world), is gearing us up for mandatory vaccinations, especially for certain people in areas that may be targeted by the terrorists. The authorities claim that we will be safe from terrorists attacks using the pox virus because there are adequate stockpiles of cultivated smallpox viruses in Russia and in the USA to make most all the vaccines "needed."

It is claimed by medical historians that the vaccination process wiped out smallpox throughout the world. However, the truth is that compulsory vaccination was abandoned because more deaths were caused by the vaccinations than there were cases of smallpox. A slight of the hand trick was used to foster the claim that smallpox was eradicated by the vaccination practice. Everyone who had been vaccinated and who developed smallpox was diagnosed as having chicken pox!

The doctors who were interviewed on recent television shows admit that the vaccine may cause many serious side-effects and that a certain number of persons will develop painful and sometimes lethal sequelae. Yet, they advise that it is better to take the chance and be vaccinated in spite of these dangers.

Edward Jenner, a notorious fake and quack, is credited with having "discovered" vaccination. However, it was a practice of many ancient peoples long before his time. Savage and barbaric tribes in various parts of the world practiced inoculation even before Jenner's time. It is conjectured to have begun in India and then spread to Africa and Europe. Lady Mary Wortley Montague, wife of the British Ambassador to the Ottoman Court in l7l7 introduced the practice to Europe. But, due to its proven evils, one of which was an increase in smallpox in England, the practice was abolished in l840.

It is pertinent that James Phipps, the eight year old boy vaccinated by Jenner in l896, died at the age of 20. He had been re-vaccinated twenty times. Jenner's own son who had also been vaccinated more than once died at the young age of twenty-one. Both succumbed to tuberculosis, a condition that some researchers have linked to the smallpox vaccine. (Eleanor McBean, The Poisoned Needle, 28,29,66 ).

According to the medical profession, smallpox or variola is an acute highly infectious and contagious disease characterized by a specific rash. According to past and present Natural Hygienic practitioners smallpox is primarily a disease brought about by gastrointestinal putrescence. Fermenting and rotting food in the intestinal tract enervates, and causes increased digestive impairment accompanied by increased systemic toxemia. The toxins are from the absorption of the fermentation products formed in the intestinal tract. Since those who overeat, especially on animal products, are enervated, meaning they lack normal nerve function, all the organs of elimination are functioning on a lower physiological level and greater toxicity ensues. Toxins from decomposing animal foods are highly irritating, so the body has to get rid of them quickly and must use extraordinary means since the organs of elimination are not functioning well. Therefore, the poisons are carried by the blood to the skin and the body eliminates them in various forms of skin eruptions.
Smallpox is about as contagious as stumbling over a rock. Dr. Herbert M. Shelton slept in the same bed with his brother while the latter was in the so-called infectious stage with vesicles all over. Yet Dr. Shelton did not develop smallpox.

Smallpox begins with the same symptoms that many acute diseases do; such as chills, fever, backache, and vomiting. This is indicative of a common cause and a common way to deal with the cause. The body is a magnificent ecosystem and when it finds abnormal and extraneous substances anywhere within its domain, it creates a higher temperature, purposely, to overcome the foreign proteins, toxic substances, viruses, bacteria or other microorganisms. Whatever is upsetting the ecosystem must be corrected by the organism itself. It needs no alien "cures." The symptoms should not be "cured." To suppress these symptoms assures that some other worse problem will develop.

Some substances, such as an excess of protein putrefactive products, are so toxic that it is urgent to eliminate them immediately. The papular eruption of smallpox is purposely created and chosen as the correct channel at the time for the elimination of these types of noxious substances. Furthermore, the body may not have the specific enzymes to biodegrade whatever it is. Instead of being taken care of by the liver or the kidneys the body chooses to eject them through the skin. Vicarious eliminations such as this are often natural emergency measures.

Smallpox begins with chills, fever, backache, headache and vomiting. A fever of l03 to l04 degrees F is customary. The high fever increases the healing activities of the cells, and it is a most efficient way to accomplish the needed detoxification. This means that the toxins are now out of the functioning cells and in the blood near the skin. The body no longer needs to speed up cellular metabolism in order to cast out the extraneous substances and the fever subsides. In about two days the fever, and other symptoms subside. This is when the inflammatory rash appears. It turns into an elevation of the skin called a papule. The blister becomes dimpled or umbilicated. The rash and the development of the papules indicate that the irritants or toxic substances have been removed by the hyperactive, feverish cells and carried to the skin to be cast out.

Next the little papules become vesicles, like a blister, except that each papule has a little dimple in it. This is the so-called stage that is supposed to be infective or contagious, should anyone touch the person having smallpox. After the vesicles are formed, they may become pustules filled with white blood cells if the individual is extra toxic. The white blood cells are there to destroy the toxins in the vesicles. But, this stage would never be reached if cared for Hygienically. The papules dry up and form scabs that eventually fall off. When treated improperly they will leave a scar.

It is pertinent to recognize that when the eruption begins, the fever subsides. The patient would normally be on the road to recovery were it not for the medications given by the doctor. Medical treatment however, consists in using something that kills the microbes which they assume cause the rash, so it has to be something such as a disinfectant that destroys cell life. This is consistent with their medical dogma. Therefore, in the past, the profession applied gauze that had been soaked in antiseptic solutions such as phenol (carbolic acid) or bichloride of mercury ( aka mercuric chloride and corrosive sublimate). Both these agents, carbolic acid and mercuric chloride are corrosive.

After applying the gauze, soaked in either carbolic acid or mercuric chloride, to the lesions, they were covered with more gauze. Being tightly wrapped with gauze, the exudate from the vesicle or papule was retained in the lesion and not allowed to drain away when it ruptured. Naturally, bacteria are going to invade this lesion to clean up the excreted matter. This corrosive treatment also destroyed living tissues including the protective phagocytic white blood cells and the surrounding skin and subcutaneous tissues. A high second fever was urgently needed to once again begin warfare on the extraneous poisons and the invading bacteria.

Either of the two corrosive drugs used can now ooze its way into the vital domain and impede normal function of all the cells in the body; while completely annihilating many. Ugly black confluent pustules mar the skin. The rash gets worse. Vesicles turn into pustules. The pustules become swollen and more inflamed. The inflammation around them spreads and the lesions fuse together. These pathological effects were caused by the drugs.

It is clear that the condition worsens because of the treatment. The primary symptoms, i.e. the fever, chills, headache, and backache were suppressed by pharmaceuticals. The stifling of symptoms with medication prevented the body from completing its job of cleansing, and increased the internal toxemia. As a result, the umbilicated blisters with clear fluid in them became pustules filled with dead and dying tissues and white blood cells. The change to a pustule is the direct result of the damaging effects of medications whether taken internally or applied to the skin. It is incredible that the physicians did not recognize the lethality of their practice. But, then, they do not recognize it today either. They are blinded by bygone theories.

These substances may have killed microorganisms but they also killed human tissues and in reality caused the pustules and all the terrible complications and symptoms thought to be caused by the germ. Let me emphasize, the symptoms thought to be smallpox are symptoms caused by the treatment. They were so yesterday just as they are today and always will be in the future as long as we insist on clinging to the idea that disease is something "caught" and that symptoms must be gotten rid of by unnatural means. As long as we try to eradicate disease with anything, and especially man-made chemicals, we will suffer more than if we merely put up with the symptoms.

All the various treatments to kill microbes which are "causing" the disease, are killing the patient. They are not permitting the body to eliminate toxins or restore the blood and tissues to their normal healthy condition. All treatments, no matter how benign they are claimed to be, impede the recovery process itself. By using treatments of any kind and getting rid of a rash by rash means, or to doctor it in any way, is the disastrous blunder that causes horrible side-effects, more disease and even death.

Hemorrhagic or what is known as "black smallpox" is an even more serious type of smallpox and the patient often died. Again, this serious type of smallpox was directly caused by the cell-killing drugs. Pustules often developed in the throat and mouth. When an acidic drug is placed on living tissues, it kills them. The skin and mucous membranes are already inflamed and are less protective than normal skin. Therefore, the destructive acids can be absorbed and cause greater internal toxemia. Carbolic acid or mercuric chloride caused the hemorrhaging of the skin and also hemorrhaging into the pustule. Either of the corrosive drugs also destroyed the kidney cells and caused bloody urine noted in many hapless smallpox patients.

There were also many serious complications of this type of treatment in addition to the common ordinary ones that were erroneously thought to be symptoms of smallpox, but we won't go into them now.

From time immemorial people have been frightened of disease. It was a curse, an evil spirit, or evil demon that caused the problem. Also from time immemorial people have thought it necessary to exorcize the disease, to placate and appease the evil spirit or demon, to give sacrifices to some god in order to get the demon or evil spirit out of them. In modern times we do the same. We have not grown in knowledge. We just put the evil spirits in the magician's top hat and pulled out the evil germs and evil viruses. We still exorcize, placate, appease, and eradicate the evil microbe or evil virus. Whatever symptoms we have, they are felt to be extraneous, foreign and not from us, so they must be eradicated or extirpated. We still fear death from the simplest of diseases. Whatever it is, it must be extirpated or eradicated. We do it not with incantations but with substances much more evil than anything used in the past.

Hygienic Care
If Hygienic care had been resorted to in the beginning of smallpox no complications would have occurred and there would rarely be a genuine pustule. With Hygienic management the disease would not have to progress to the second stage with pustules or a second fever. It would only become pustular if the individual prevented drainage of the vesicle and continued eating a heavy diet. The vesicles containing the unwanted debris that was in the organs and tissues would burst. The clear fluid containing the toxic substances would flow out onto the skin. Frequent warm sponge baths would wash away all the poisonous debris. The inflammation of the skin would heal and that would be the end of the disease. There would be no horrendous pustules, or other complications brought about by the medications. If

individuals kept themselves clean, but did not take off the scabs until they fell off naturally, there would be no unsightly pock-marks. People are always too anxious to pull scabs away. To do so is to expose the lesion to the atmosphere before the skin has completely healed below it. The skin then has to quickly heal over before it has completed restoring the underlying tissues. This, naturally leaves a pit or scar. The extensive boils and gangrene that regularly occurred would not have taken place had no corrosive drugs been used.

If you think those symptoms are bad, and that we do not use any medicine so lethal as corrosive sublimate and carbolic acid today, you'd better rethink the problem. Today's drugs are even more lethal because they are designed to be easily absorbed, and to spread to every tissue and cell in the body and kill cells all over the body. Do not put your hope in medical "care". The only care you need is a healthy body and to let it do its thing.

You do not have to fear smallpox, even if you should develop it, as long as you immediately quit eating and go to bed and rest, drinking pure water only when thirsty. Smallpox is a disease of the bon-vivant, epicurean, who overeats on a daily basis, especially on animal foods. The condition of enervation is built by anyone who does not secure sufficient rest and sleep to permit the elimination of endogenic and exogenic toxins, and for the restoration of the nervous system. Once the stage of enervation is established digestion is further impaired and the body is flooded with fermentation and decomposition products from the intestines. This is what is called Toxemia, and Toxicosis. Toxicosis makes it exigent and imperative that these toxins be eliminated immediately by extraordinary means, such as through the skin.

Every single cell in your body is capable of eliminating and destroying various microorganisms and their waste products, as well as man-made organic products, but most man-made products are more toxic than those made by bacteria and they cause more damage than bacterial waste products. It can be disastrous when the body is overwhelmed by substances that do not belong inside it, and which the body cannot use under any circumstance of life. And this is what happens when diseases are "treated." Your body is inundated with toxic substances and it may drown.
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mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 03:50 AM

branjo

05-09-2009, 03:53 AM

Unsubscribing, what a pointless banging your head against a brick wall thread.

Have fun :)

decim

05-09-2009, 04:00 AM

What a ridiculous thing to say.
Did no "White men" die from this disease?

You clearly have some bigoted issues.

The Bubonic Plague was probably from a form of Flu?

You are deficient in education.

I'll leave you to wallow in your vaccines.

Carry on ranting.

Indigenous peoples in every country on Earth were almost wiped out by the so called white mans disease (smallpox). Ships used to leave harbour and it would break out and only a third or so of the population of the boat would arrive ... I think you need to check history and the vaccine was what got rid of small pox from the world.

torus

05-09-2009, 04:03 AM

torus

05-09-2009, 04:06 AM

mysticmolly? if you're so inclined, acquire a copy of Ghislaine Lanctot's "The Medical Mafia". Sorry, she's white....but if it helps, she was stripped of her MD and right to practice medicine after publishing The Medical Mafia. She was denouncing vaccines long before it became "trendy".

torus

05-09-2009, 04:09 AM

the Africans are all TOO well acquainted with men AND women in white coats from the WHO baring gifts.

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 04:10 AM

What a ridiculous thing to say.
Did no "White men" die from this disease?

You clearly have some bigoted issues.

Good God the ignorance of history is astounding!!!!

Small pox was known as white mans disease because white man spread it everywhere .... he gave it to everyone! Of course he also died of it.

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 04:47 AM

"A tissue a tissue we all fall down" is where I got the probably some kind of flu from, in regards to the plague.

The most famous symptom of bubonic plague is painful, swollen lymph glands, called buboes. These are commonly found in the armpits, groin or neck. The bubonic plague was the first step of the ongoing plague. Two other forms of the plague, pneumonic and septicemic, resulted after a patient with the bubonic plague developed pneumonia or blood poisoning. The Pneumonic Plague was the most infectious, as, unlike the bubonic or septicemic, it induced coughing, which allowed person to person spread.

I hadn't actually looked up the plague considering it is so old and nobody gets it anymore but the information is....

Bubonic plague is the best known manifestation of the bacterial disease plague, caused by the Gram-negative bacterium Yersinia pestis (formerly known as Pasteurella pestis). It belongs to the family Enterobacteriaceae. The term "bubonic plague" was often used synonymously for plague, but it does in fact refer specifically to an infection that enters through the skin and travels through the lymphatics, as is often seen in flea-borne infections. Bubonic plague kills about half of infected patients in 3–7 days without treatment, and is believed by many to be the Black Death that swept through Europe in the 1340s, killing tens of millions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubonic_plague

It is kind of irrelevant to the subject.

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 04:50 AM

Until those who survive awaken to the fact that there was indeed a conspiracy to commit genocide.

Sadly they just seem to get away with it .... there is the common knowledge it was done but somehow they get away with it, like the Kennedy murders etc...

decim

05-09-2009, 05:03 AM

Listen to this from around a third in.
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_400_Eye_of_Newt__Green_Mo nkey_Kidney--Like_Cartoon_from_Walt_Disney_Sept032009.mp3

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 05:16 AM

Listen to this from around a third in.
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_400_Eye_of_Newt__Green_Mo nkey_Kidney--Like_Cartoon_from_Walt_Disney_Sept032009.mp3

I have already listened to it and explained why I am not taken in by it.... Ask anybody over the age of sixty who has memory of things like polio and small pox and they will inform you how the world changed for the better quickly with vaccinations.

We have had years and years of them and in most families no negative effects have been felt or even heard of.

Many people are now in their sixties and beyond and are still alive and well and would wonder what the hell you are talking about?

Like I say, my mum went to school with a girl who was crippled by polio, she would not dream of not vaccinating her children and she has not regretted it, same as I haven't and everyone I know hasn't regretted vaccinating their children.

The only family we know effected by autism, the father has it as well and it is hereditary ... everyone who knows that family, do not believe for one minute it had anything to do with vaccinations! Oh and they got two kids with it, not one but two! That smacks of it being hereditary and not caused by vaccinations.

yozhik

05-09-2009, 09:14 AM

people are no longer thinking logically about things but following this new RELIGION called whatever Alex Jones, David Icke, truthers whatever
Not sure about you, but I think for myself.
I have NEVER done anything "because Alex Jones" told me to.
Never have. Never will.

Do your own due diligence.

The vaccine thing is just part of that, ask someone who is in their sixties about how life was and they will tell you
I don't need to ask them; I remember what it was like as a child, having mumps, chicken pox, measles and the flu.

... and guess what?
My mother exposed me to those ON PURPOSE, so that I could build up a NATURAL IMMUNITY and get them out of the way prior to my main school years.

I have not had any recurrence since.
Natural immunity - job done.

People are no longer thinking with their brains but with the new brains of lets drag up ever little mistake etc and blow it up like a big balloon .... lets forget all about the fact that most people have had countless vaccines and carry on being healthy people and not just for ten years but for the rest of their lifes.
Maybe they got lucky.
Also remember, there are many more who didn't have the vaccines and they too have had perfectly healthy lives.

You need to compare apples with apples.

Did I get any of these things, NO, did anybody else around us get these things NO. Did we suddenly all drop dead or become ill .... even ill thirty years later NO!
That's not the question to be asking.
The question is; "would you have had the disease without the vaccination".
The answer is you don't know.
So you're dealing in hypotheticals and applying it as absolute fact.

So a lot of this is hot air blowing around to terrorise us and you have to wonder who is the biggest terrorist
There is absolutely no dobt in my mind who the terrorists are.
No doubt whatsoever.
Go grab a dictionary and look at the definition of terrorism; not that illusionary definition that has been forced down your throat by the government, its agencies and the media ... the true meaning.

It is extremely evident who or what is creating the terrorism ... and it isn't "the people".

I think it is the truth movement because you terrify everybody .... the general public is happy and content, I wonder why that is!!!!
Because they believe what they're told by so called experts and have forgotten or supressed their ability to question and to critically reason.

Just as you accuse the "truthers" of believing the new religion of Alex Jones, et al ... the "masses" could be accused of believing the old religion of the Powers That Be.

Problem being, its just another version of divide and rule.
Us against them.
Truthers versus Masses.
Vaccine versus No Vaccines.

Divide and Rule.

refusetoconsent

05-09-2009, 10:29 AM

"Because they believe what they're told by so called experts and have forgotten or supressed their ability to question and to critically reason.

Just as you accuse the "truthers" of believing the new religion of Alex Jones, et al ... the "masses" could be accused of believing the old religion of the Powers That Be.

Problem being, its just another version of divide and rule.
Us against them.
Truthers versus Masses.
Vaccine versus No Vaccines.

Divide and Rule. "

Nice points yoz. I remember been told mad cow disease was nothing to worry about, and the guy giving his granddaughter a burger for the cameras. cut to a scene of a huge pile of smoldereing carcases, rancid meat been pulled from shops, and even banned from exporting it . I dont believe that the polititians are evil , i think they are as brainwashed as the majority.

anthony65

05-09-2009, 11:00 AM

Well two guesses that is yet another tainted report from the anti vaccine crowd!!!

I had the small pox vaccine, so did everyone in my family, no one caught small pox!!!! or even heard of anybody catching it!

What a load of old dribble. You have to wonder what the agenda is of these anti vaccine crowds .... are they making money?

Are they working for the Illuminati and trying to get a large part of the population not vaccinated so they are sitting ducks and can be eliminated.

I smell a dirty big rat!!!

I smell one too... :rolleyes:

But not from the direction you're referring to.

Are the anti-vaccine crowds making money? :confused:

No. But the pro vaccine crowds are.

Thanks for playing the pro-vaccination role with so much conviction Molly- I'm sure you'll encourage a few people to go out and research the history of vaccinations for themselves.

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 11:58 AM

Thanks for playing the pro-vaccination role with so much conviction Molly- I'm sure you'll encourage a few people to go out and research the history of vaccinations for themselves.

What's weird is I didn't actually set out to do a pro vaccine piece and I am not even sure I am pro this swine flu vaccine... strange .... but I do see the value in our childhood vaccines I guess?

tusme

05-09-2009, 12:07 PM

Hi Mysticmolly,

Yes I am aware that this as probably the case ... the point is to work out why have they done it and I think the simple reasons put forward by most seem like they maybe off....
Rather than be bothered about those "simple reasons put forward by most", may I suggest, doing some research on the generations of mass control and manipulation (not forgetting all the millions murdered through manipulated wars), by the few over the many...!!

In fact, why not simply study the facts about 9/11, hopefully the Truth will reveal itself to you...

With all due respect, imho, you're being rather cynical...!! Just what is so wrong, with people eventually waking up to the idea that, somewhere people are planning their destruction...eh!?

To say they simply want to kill people in the West, seems well short sighted ...I think their goals are much larger than this and why kill the West off ... their well fed, trained and useful slaves .... seems well like shooting yourself in the foot...
"Short sighted"...!? :confused:

"The West" is an illusion...!! Hmm, I'd rather be "short-sighted", than be stuck in a "mind controlled programme"...!!

Tptb are all luciferian, ie, worshippers of "negative (spirit) energy"...

Negative (spirit) energy, besides operating at a "higher" (vibrational) frequency range than tptb, is indescriminate and requires human energy to exist in this Physical dimension, regardless of geographic location...in fact, even tptb knows, at some point even they will have to sacrifice their own energy to their god, lucifer...!!

Truth is, while they have "some control" over the masses (only co's we gave it to them), they have none over "negative (spirit) energy"...!!

Thus, by it's very nature, negative (spirit) energy, in reality, is always "shooting itself in the foot"...imho

Surely the goal is to get at all those other peoples who they have almost no control over and are running wild in the third world?
Eh...!? And you have a go at people's "simple reasoning"...!? :confused:

I'm sorry Mysticmolly, but, your statement only serves to expose the extent of your being duped (by tptb)...besides the economic power, they also control all the leaders of those people...and believe it or not, it is in their (tptb) interest that people are still "running wild in the third world"...!! :mad:

What use are most of them, apart from the people in China of course who make our clothes for cents per hour in wages.

However most of the people in the third world are of no use what so ever to the elite and mean nothing to them except vermin to be gotten rid of ....
Again, it seems, you only willing to observe the situation from a physical (frequency) level...no wonder you cannot or refusing to see what others are seeing...especially, re, swine flu and vaccinations..!!

It's time the "raise your game", Mysticmolly :)...they are usurping people's energy, regardless whether Chinese, African, American, European or whatever...for their god, lucifer...and who they believe, will "permit" them to stay in power & control...

All Physical being's possess a Spirit (Truth) being, thus, we are/were all specifically CHOSEN (by Truth) to exist in a unique form of knowing, being and expressing Truth...anyone not doing so, imho, regardless whether from the first, third or developing world, when they depart this physical dimension, will know exactly how they've wasted such a Truth experience...!!

As for the "elite"...tbh, I think they already know they're "vermin" on the other side... :D

Hmm, who know's, perhaps they will re-incarnate back down the "holgraphic spiral"...if not to the vibrational frequency where only negative (spirit) energy exists, then perhaps, as a "bottom dweller" in the abyss... :D ...poor souls, bless em!!

The evidence they have been trying to kill off the Africans is pretty widely known and not very well covered up, as apposed to us, who they have given good welfare and health care services to.
The evidence is, they (tptb) are playing host to a very evil negative (spirit) energy..."good welfare and health care services", it may well be, however, if you would simply researched the agendas of companies such as Monsanto and those big pharma's, then, I'd be very concerned, if I were you...!? :)

You don"t have to think very hard to realise who they care about and who they do not care about.
Well, I really can't be bothered about who they do or don't care about...!!

This Physical dimension and the Spirit dimension, contrary to what they or you believe, does not belong to them...!!

Perhaps if you started awakening to your Spirit (Truth) Consciousness, you might just be able to observe your existence beyond that of the tptb...and I dare say, an existence without being "drugged-up" by their vaccinations...!! :)

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 12:45 PM

I don't think one should go around making assumptions about how aware others are about things. I know all about everything you know and more besides, I would not doubt.

sardonicus

05-09-2009, 12:48 PM

Mysticmolly, the evil elite/PTB want to cull the human race and reduce population numbers by 90%. So how is vaccinating millions of people to protect them from flu or any other disease (i.e. preventing human deaths) in any way helping the evil elite/PTB to progress their wicked agenda? What you say just doesn't make sense.

'They' want to cull human beings like animals. Ok, consider Africa, that you keep going on about - do you honestly think it was Cholera and Typhoid vaccine in all the shots 'they' gave to countless thousands of black Africans? Wonder how the AIDS virus pandemic wiped out MILLIONS of black Africans and has completely devastated the peoples of that continent?

I agree that the 'double-bluff' scenario regarding the swine flu vaccine does need positive discussion, but you could have chosen a less antagonistic title for your thread than, "How to get rid of conspiracy NUTS!!!" If you didn't want to intentionally upset and insult people here on the D Icke forum, then why didn't you use the word 'truthers' or 'conspiracy theorists' in the OP title? Smacks of an agenda...

...fact of the matter is this stuff has gone crazy .... people are no longer thinking logically about things but following this new RELIGION called whatever Alex Jones, David Icke, truthers whatever.

I disagree. If it wasn't for people like Icke, Maxwell, Tsarion, Jones, etc., sticking their necks out and putting themselves at risk to get the TRUTH out to the people, then we would all still be wallowing about in complete ignorance! To say that truthers are no longer thinking logically is complete nonsense. People are SICK of government lies - people just want to know the truth. The evil elite/PTB has seen to it that these days, quite literally, "the truth has become a lie, and 'their' wicked lies have become the truth," for the vast majority (i.e. the unquestioning, brain-washed 'sleepers' who have been mesmerised by government lies and propaganda and 'their' 24/7 mind-numbing bombardment of bullshit via the controlled media/tv. If "THE TRUTH" is a new religion, then I want in!! Just look at everything that been uncovered by truthers / conspiracy theorists over the past couple of decades - thank the divine power for people like Icke!!

The vaccine thing is just part of that, ask someone who is in their sixties about how life was and they will tell you, they went to school with kids crippled from polio, all that stopped when we all got vaccinated... I have been vaccinated against these things that I know of ... Hepatitis B - all three shots, Polio, Small pox, Diphtheria, Tetanus...

Please consider, viruses like TB, Polio, Diptheria, Smallpox etc., these were NATURALLY OCCURING viruses. The evil elite/PTB and their families were at risk of infection (and dying) from these then common diseases too, so 'they' had to push a mass vaccination program because, just like 'the cattle', these viruses were also infecting and killing the elite and their families too.

This is logical thinking - this is common sense: If the elite/PTB are plotting to cull the human population by millions of people, then 'they' cannot just release their laboratory-engineered bio-weaponized virus into the air because 'they' will be infected and killed by it too (they do breathe air don't they?). Thus, the only way 'they' can kill millions of people in this way (and remain safe themselves) is to inject their bio-weaponized virus directly into humans disguised as a mass vaccination program. The virus is IN THE VACCINE and is NOT and never was/will be an airbourne virus.

What if you scare people not to have the vaccine and then they die by the thousands... will you feel OK with that????

What if you convince people to have the vaccine and then they die by the MILLIONS... will YOU feel OK with that???

tusme

05-09-2009, 01:50 PM

I don't think one should go around making assumptions about how aware others are about things. I know all about everything you know and more besides, I would not doubt.
Of-course, I agree...now, would it be too much to ask, if I used your above quote, in response to your OP...!? :)

Cool, I'm glad "you know all about everything I know" :rolleyes: Now you've awakened to it all, hopefully, you'll see how "misdirected" this thread is...and, stand up for abit of Truth...!? :)

fekdemasons

05-09-2009, 02:18 PM

I don't think one should go around making assumptions about how aware others are about things. I know all about everything you know and more besides, I would not doubt.

Your sentence structure is no more refined than that of a six year old...

" I know all about everything you know " ????

My dad's bigger dan wot your dad is ...

Now role up your sleeve , theres a good sheep

:p

disorder2k8

05-09-2009, 02:21 PM

life is like nougat, fucking hard and full of nuts :D

sade

05-09-2009, 03:00 PM

Hi Mysticmolly,

Tptb are all luciferian, ie, worshippers of "negative (spirit) energy"...

Negative (spirit) energy, besides operating at a "higher" (vibrational) frequency range than tptb, is indescriminate and requires human energy to exist in this Physical dimension, regardless of geographic location...in fact, even tptb knows, at some point even they will have to sacrifice their own energy to their god, lucifer...!!

Lucifer is associated with evil because Christians think he is Satan, when the two have nothing to do with eachother.
I think it's time that we get the basics right and stop talking nonsense.

"Lucifer, or Lightbearer, is in us; it is our mind, our tempter and redeemer, our intelligence and saviour from pure animalism."-Madame Blavatsky.

The Old Testament myth of the Garden of Eden, and how the first woman and mother of humankind was allegedly seduced by the evil serpent,
was also used by the early Church fathers to discredit Lucifer and label him as Satan. The Gnostics, as an example,
regarded the serpent in the story as the personification of knowledge, wisdom and enlightenment.
In contrast to being an evil creature, they saw it as a liberator who opened the eyes of Adam and Eve to the reality of the universe and its wonders.

armoured_amazon

05-09-2009, 03:32 PM

Thanks for your reply and the radio tape that fact of the matter is this stuff has gone crazy .... people are no longer thinking logically about things but following this new RELIGION called whatever Alex Jones, David Icke, truthers whatever

The vaccine thing is just part of that, ask someone who is in their sixties about how life was and they will tell you, they went to school with kids crippled from polio, all that stopped when we all got vaccinated.

These shows don"t bother to say that, they don't bother to tell you that small pox is now gone apart from in a lab and that is from vaccines.

People are no longer thinking with their brains but with the new brains of lets drag up ever little mistake etc and blow it up like a big balloon .... lets forget all about the fact that most people have had countless vaccines and carry on being healthy people and not just for ten years but for the rest of their lifes.

I have been vaccinated against these things that I know of ...

Hepatitis B - all three shots
Polio
Small pox
Diphtheria
Tetanus
I have had the flu shot a few times, years ago now though

Did I get any of these things, NO, did anybody else around us get these things NO. Did we suddenly all drop dead or become ill .... even ill thirty years later NO!

So a lot of this is hot air blowing around to terrorise us and you have to wonder who is the biggest terrorist .... I think it is the truth movement because you terrify everybody .... the general public is happy and content, I wonder why that is!!!!

People who think sensibly with their own brains and are not all worked up about these things because they saw the benefit of them in with their own eyes!

That is why you will never brainwash the general public because most of them still have a brain in their heads and remember these things or at least granny does.

As for they are out to kill us we are all slaves!!!

OK what about those single mums who end up being helped by the government, they get a roof over their heads and food on the table and the kids get feed and educated ...it that all some plot ???

A lot of what gets said is over blown shit and you forget about the good that is out there. I am beginning to think the biggest bloody terrorists are you guys!!!!

What if you scare people not to have the vaccine and then they die by the thousands... will you feel OK with that????

You're stupid. Don't ASSume what we each individually believe and why we believe it.

beldazar

05-09-2009, 03:46 PM

I smell one too... :rolleyes:

But not from the direction you're referring to.

Are the anti-vaccine crowds making money? :confused:

No. But the pro vaccine crowds are.

Thanks for playing the pro-vaccination role with so much conviction Molly- I'm sure you'll encourage a few people to go out and research the history of vaccinations for themselves.

I think its rather apparent that Mysticmolly didnt start this thread for any discussions but simply made a statement and is trying to reinforce her beliefs so you could say its a complete waste of time.

But you are so right Anthony because when people like mysticmolly come here to dismiss the idea that vaccinations arent such a good idea, its counteracted by further information to argue the case, people dig deeper and come up with further evidence against them which of course is a good thing ;)

Well done Mysticmolly :)

broadperspective

05-09-2009, 03:50 PM

Well two guesses that is yet another tainted report from the anti vaccine crowd!!!

I had the small pox vaccine, so did everyone in my family, no one caught small pox!!!! or even heard of anybody catching it!

What a load of old dribble. You have to wonder what the agenda is of these anti vaccine crowds .... are they making money?
Are they working for the Illuminati and trying to get a large part of the population not vaccinated so they are sitting ducks and can be eliminated.

I smell a dirty big rat!!!

Not that I want to drag on from last night's conversation about this topic that you're so firmly decided on, but the comment in bold red is taking away all your credibility..... Please explain how they profit from it ?

We all know the billions involved with the pro-vaccine community.....

Anyways by your original post, for your theory to make sense, the 3rd world and Asians would not get vaccinated because they are dispensable....Guess what ? They will get vaccinated ! Get your facts straight !!

How's your job at Pfizer ?

tusme

05-09-2009, 03:50 PM

Hi Sade,

Lucifer is associated with evil because Christians think he is Satan, when the two have nothing to do with eachother.
Frankly, I don't care whether "lucifer" & "satan" are the same or not...!! :)

I think it's time that we get the basics right and stop talking nonsense.

"Lucifer, or Lightbearer, is in us; it is our mind, our tempter and redeemer, our intelligence and saviour from pure animalism."-Madame Blavatsky.
Well, the basics is, before "knowing the Mind", the Physical being is born into this Physical dimension with the gift...which, as a Spirit being, is Truth!!

"lucifer" might be your "lightbearer", but it ain't mine...!! Btw, the Mind is useless without Spirit (Truth energy) being...and it know's it...!! :)

Unfortunately, it seems, you've "abandoned" your Spirit (Truth energy) being for the Mind...no wonder you're offering me Madame Blavatsky quotes...!? :eek:

The Old Testament myth of the Garden of Eden, and how the first woman and mother of humankind was allegedly seduced by the evil serpent, was also used by the early Church fathers to discredit Lucifer and label him as Satan.

"lucifer", "satan", "the devil" or whatever name you (or the Church) have for such an entity, does not matter...besides, exclusively negative (spirit) energy, can NEVER exist as Truth...regardless of the "light it bears"...!!

The Gnostics, as an example, regarded the serpent in the story as the personification of knowledge, wisdom and enlightenment.
In contrast to being an evil creature, they saw it as a liberator who opened the eyes of Adam and Eve to the reality of the universe and its wonders.
With all due respect to you and The Gnostics, negative (spirit) energy mascerading as the "personification of knowledge, wisdom and enlightenment" or even a "liberator", is an imposter...mimicking the properties Truth energy...!!

So the basics is, not only are you the one "talking complete nonsense"...but also, it's you who's being tricked into believing the (physical dimension) "knowledge, wisdom, enlightenment and liberation" is real...!!

My friend, without Spirit Truth energy, all physical dimension knowledge, wisdom, enlightenment and liberation is an illusion...!!

Btw, the Universe too, is both a Physical and Spirit being, how may I ask, is your "lightbearing lucifer" bringing knowledge, wisdom, enlightenment and libertation to it...!?

I'll answer that for you...it can't!!

It can't exist in this Physical dimension under it's own power, let alone, exist as Truth...!! ;)

Hope that made sense...!?

decim

05-09-2009, 04:53 PM

Molly, what do you think happened on 9/11/2001 at the WTC USA?

sade

05-09-2009, 05:03 PM

Hi Sade,

Btw, the Universe too, is both a Physical and Spirit being, how may I ask, is your "lightbearing lucifer" bringing knowledge, wisdom, enlightenment and libertation to it...!?

I'll answer that for you...it can't!!

It can't exist in this Physical dimension under it's own power, let alone, exist as Truth...!! ;)

Hope that made sense...!?

Ever heard of Kundalini? Holy spirit for the Christians and so on..?
That is a the serpent power that awakens you to the reality of the universe.
Lucifer has always been associated with the snake. :)

Lightbringer. The one who awakens the flame within you.

clint_giles

05-09-2009, 05:04 PM

also i would like to add one more question to mysticmolly...

sorry for going of topic again but i think its warranted,decim asked you 2 very important questions and i do know exactly where he is going with the question.

so i will add 1 more very important question to you aswell

DO YOU THINK A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON????AND IF YES OR NO,PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR ANSWER..

thank you.
Clint

tusme

05-09-2009, 06:57 PM

Ever heard of Kundalini? Holy spirit for the Christians and so on..?
That is a the serpent power that awakens you to the reality of the universe.
Lucifer has always been associated with the snake. :)

Lightbringer. The one who awakens the flame within you.
Hi Sade,

Tbh, I know very little about "Kundalini" and even less about "serpent power"...

The Spirit (Truth) being, whether we care to know it or not, needs no "awakening", it is Infinite Consciousness...!!

The "lightbringer", as far as I understand, can only "awaken the flame" once the "Mind" is already established...either way.

However, as regards the Spirit (Truth energy) being, because Truth is it's journey and only purpose, at birth and at the point of the first breath, enters the Physical being...meaning, without it, neither the Physical being and much less the "Mind", cannot exist within this Physical dimension...

So, as you can see, the Physical being is Truth energy long before a "Mind" is even established or even knows itself...and, if such a Physical being's life's teachers exists as knowing, being and expressing Truth, then imho, "lucifer" or "lightbringer" will have no chance of ever disrupting the balance of such a Physical being's Truth experience...!!

Lastly, what, may I ask, is the purpose of "lucifer association with the snake"...!? :confused:

beldazar

05-09-2009, 07:16 PM

pinnochio

05-09-2009, 07:31 PM

I'm gonna use the native americans as an example.

In the many hundreds of years they were probably around for. I'm sure some viruses came up or did they?

And if they did because they were not man made. I'm sure nature and herbs took care of it.

People say viruses come about because its natures way of keeping the population in tabs.

Why would nature needed to keep native americans in tabs. They were not over populating and there was enough for everyone to share. Point being they make these viruss in labs. Even the name sounds lab like virus.

Read books about the amazonian shamans and people.

There is nothing in there history until the west interferring about viruses and diseases!!

sade

05-09-2009, 08:02 PM

Hi Sade,

Tbh, I know very little about "Kundalini" and even less about "serpent power"...

The Spirit (Truth) being, whether we care to know it or not, needs no "awakening", it is Infinite Consciousness...!!

The "lightbringer", as far as I understand, can only "awaken the flame" once the "Mind" is already established...either way.

However, as regards the Spirit (Truth energy) being, because Truth is it's journey and only purpose, at birth and at the point of the first breath, enters the Physical being...meaning, without it, neither the Physical being and much less the "Mind", cannot exist within this Physical dimension...

So, as you can see, the Physical being is Truth energy long before a "Mind" is even established or even knows itself...and, if such a Physical being's life's teachers exists as knowing, being and expressing Truth, then imho, "lucifer" or "lightbringer" will have no chance of ever disrupting the balance of such a Physical being's Truth experience...!!

Lastly, what, may I ask, is the purpose of "lucifer association with the snake"...!? :confused:

Hi Tusme,

I think you would gain a lot from researching it!
It is a power that we can all awaken, and in some, it awakens spontaneously.

All the best. :)

1freethinker

05-09-2009, 08:59 PM

THEY cant be trying to save our lives and kill us at the same time! LOL :rolleyes:

juttkeys

05-09-2009, 09:01 PM

My thought comes from the perspective that people on these sites, think they are so awfully clever but my bet is your not half as clever as you think you are and you will end up getting burnt!!!

'I don't think one should go around making assumptions about how aware others are about things. I know all about everything you know and more besides, I would not doubt.'

hmm well yes I can certainly see 1 person 'on these sites' who thinks she is 'awfully clever'

1freethinker

05-09-2009, 09:05 PM

tusme

05-09-2009, 09:06 PM

Hi Tusme,

I think you would gain a lot from researching it!
It is a power that we can all awaken, and in some, it awakens spontaneously.

All the best. :)
Thanks, but no thanks, Sade. :)

With all due respect, the power of which you speak only exists within this Physical dimension...and the negative energy vibrational frequencies...

Truth (and it's power) however, exists (and vibrates) infinitely and perfectly in the past, Now and future, in this (Physical) and the Spirit (Truth) Dimension...and, is the source of the Physical dimension...!!

Of-course, I do not know the reason & purpose some awaken to "lucifer", "serpant power" or as I know it, negative energy, spontaneously...however, what I do know is, when a Physical being/Mind chooses to ignore its Spirit (Truth energy) being, thus causing a void between the 2 beings (ie, Physical & Spirit), then, a negative energy position's itself within that void...!!

So, when that Physical being/Mind is "playing host" to such a "negative energy", it will often seem as if that negative energy is "empowering" or as you say, "bringing light" to that person, which for that period of time, may seen true...but, as is the nature of negative energy, it will no doubt return for "payback" time...(for as long as that Physical being/Mind stays ignorant of it's Spirit (Truth energy) being)

And once that happens, it's very difficult for that Physical being/Mind to get back to it's Spirit (Truth) being, co's negative energy will "fight to the death" to stay within such a Physical being/Mind...other family members, friends or even future generations...all, simply to exist within this Physical dimension... :(

Thanks, and all the best to you too, Sade..!! ;) :)

mysticmolly

05-09-2009, 11:21 PM

Well that is a lot to come back to and answer .... first off the question about 9/11 yes I know it was an inside job done by the government to give them an excuse to bring in all the homeland security bills, FEMA camps etc and to go into Iraq. Of this there is plenty of evidence, besides I was told about it before it even happened.

As to the vaccine debate, I think the truthers have gone over the top on this, there is plenty of evidence that vaccines have been one of the greatest health benefits of the twentieth century.

You can't go completely nuts and say they are out to kill us and throw your arms up in the air and claim this to be true, when society is set up to do the exact opposite .... from the moment you are conceived the government is very concerned about you. Pregnant women get the best care possible and given someone to help them give birth and a free hospital stay. The child in most countries is given free medical care for years after it is born.

This is not the actions of a government who doesn't care!

If you get hit by a car, what happens, an ambulance is called and you are taken to hospital and given very good care and the bill does not matter, no matter what it costs, to get you well, the bill is paid. Again, not the actions of a government out to kill you.

So I think some balance has to come into this ....

What you are missing, is that this is a breeding program ... some areas of the crop are desired more than others and yet having said that, even in Africa they go in and help with famines and setting up aid tents etc.

In Africa the population has gone from 211 million in 1950 to nearly 1000 million now so they have had an enormous population explosion ... If they are trying to kill them off ... well they are doing a bloody terrible job of it.

Back on the subject of vaccines again, I think it is true they did give the soldiers who went into the gulf some dodgie vaccines and have damaged some of their healths and I know of one personally, so I agree that this is probably true.

What we really have to be concerned about is ...is this the time of the harvest because we are stock...

We are you know how this works. Think about farm animals, what does the farmer do??? Does he try to kill his stock before the harvest??? Of course not, he takes very good care of it and I am sure the little lambs etc are totally blown away when they are lead up the ramp to the slaughter house ...

What doesn't he love us ... didn't he take awesome care of us and give us plenty of food and now he is slaughtering us!!!! That's what this is about and that is what you need to think about, not be concerned about them trying to poison you etc...

Your not much good in a harvest if you're poisoned or dead. The FEMA camps etc are a pretty good indication that maybe this is the time of the harvest and maybe 2012 is about this?

The elite are just puppets of a superior race and you are the food for this other race.... You are simply stock in the paddock of planet Earth and the farmer is on his way to harvest the crop!

beldazar

05-09-2009, 11:46 PM

Mysticmolly, nobody is disputing the care we get from the doctors or medical profession, most, if not all, of the people who train to be doctors do so to HELP PEOPLE!
They are victims of manipulation the same as us, they learn what they are taught, no diverting, just copying exam curriculum...
Yes there are a few doctors who develop a 'greed of gold' and are easily bribed with luxury cruises to dish out medicines they know they shouldnt but the majority just follow treatment to the letter. Always treating the SYMPTOMS and never the CAUSE, that may mean that further on down the road, the person will get ill again as they havent sorted out their emotional body, which is the cause of illnesses in the first place.

Are you going to argue your case or are you going to broaden your outlook over this? You forget that once, just about everyone on here arguing against this swine flu jab felt EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as you do now!

By the way, did you check out this site? All doctors, no 'conspiracy theorists'

http://www.medicalvoices.org/

Medical Voices Vaccine Information Center

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8826/doctorlab.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/doctorlab.jpg/)

kweli

06-09-2009, 12:18 AM

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 12:31 AM

Most people just can't comprehend what's happening, i don't blame em! tis certainly interesting times we're living through. the truth hurts and it hurts a lot but i'm sure by denying it, it will hurt a whole lot more in the long run.

I am not denying that something very rotten is afoot but what exactly is it?

What exactly is the goal of what is going on?

That's the question ... to just think they are out to kill us, by giving us this vaccine, is well short sighted.

There is far too much of this hysteria on this board, without really thinking about what is going on.

Vaccines always carry some risk and they justify the risk because the few are scarified for the good of the herd. Eg if your were vaccinating cattle against a deadly disease, that would likely kill twenty percent of the cattle and one percent would be injured by a vaccine, well you go for the vaccine, as that is the better result.

We have become so obsessed with perfection etc that we forget that this is how it works ... of course they don't care about a few having a bad reaction, if the majority are protected.

tusme

06-09-2009, 12:31 AM

Of this there is plenty of evidence, besides I was told about it before it even happened.
Eh...!? :eek: ..and we're the "conspiracy nuts"...!? :mad:

That, Mysticmolly, besides shocking, is actually quite incriminating...!!

3000+ innocent Americans were "intentionally killed" on 911, please, I'd like to know how much effort you've put into bringing the perpetrators to justice...eh!?

..."guilty by association", I say...!! :mad:

Hmm...!? :(

rodin

06-09-2009, 12:34 AM

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 12:35 AM

Eh...!? :eek: ..and we're the "conspiracy nuts"...!?

That, Mysticmolly, besides shocking, is actually quite incriminating...!!

3000+ innocent Americans were "intentionally killed" on 911, please, I'd like to know how much effort you've put into bringing the perpetrators to justice...eh!?

Hmm...!? :(

I was told about it in a dream, this was before this became common for me ....

I was very distressed about it and discounted the information and tried to forget about it .... as it was only a bad dream????

I was again told about it, as it begun....

Ten minutes later I got up and turned on the telly, to find it had started at the probably the exact time I was informed about it, for the second time.....

I have felt guilty about it, long enough thanks.... besides lots of people knew ..... the government got warnings from other countries even and as the government did it ... who exactly were you meant to tell about it?

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 12:39 AM

Look I just put forward a devil advocate kind of theory or idea, who knows what the elite are really up to?

No need for people to get all bent out of shape at me.... All I am also saying is that myself and people I know, have all just had a very nasty flu that goes straight for the lungs and makes you extremely ill and this could be the new stronger strain of swine flu that WHO is reporting and maybe it will get worse, who knows... nobody can believe half of what is reported etc in the media but I can believe what I caught and what I know and so that is my truth.

I know what you mean molly, I just got directed to this thread after posting something similar. Looks like this thread was highly misunderstood from the start. Good thought, though. I just hope it isn't true because I am gambling and going to reject the vaccine still. So lets just hope it isn't a trick to get rid of resisters by unleashing something in the future in which the sheeple aren't effected by because they took the vaccine for it. So I will paste in here what I wrote for others to better understand what you mean.

Picture this.

Vaccine isn't for swine flu at all but for a disease they will unleash in the future.

The vaccine will most likely be given to the sheeple who do what they are told and have no thinking ability.

The resisters don't take the vaccines.

Ok, now everyone is vaccinated except resisters...

The disease I mentioned above is now unleashed.

Sheeple live because they got the vaccine.

Resisters died because they thought the vaccine was deadly and a scam.

Then what do you have left, the world depopulated of resister and only sheeple remain.

tusme

06-09-2009, 12:45 AM

I was told about it in a dream, this was before this become common for me ....

I was so distressed and upset about it, I just discounted it until the event happened ..... I was again told about it as it begun.

I have felt guilty about it long enough thanks....
Hmm, must say, you have "very powerful" dreams...seems strangely lacking, re, the swine flu and vaccinations, ain't it...!? :confused: :)

beldazar

06-09-2009, 12:46 AM

"The very nasty swine flu that goes straight to your lungs?

The lungs of people who have died from the swine flu look like those of victims of the bird flu, the CDC said yesterday.

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?...id=105&lang=en

Alleged "swine flu" victims died from the bird flu, says CDC

Last Updated on Friday, 04 September 2009 16:38

The lungs of people who have died from the swine flu look like those of victims of the bird flu, the CDC said yesterday.

But how can people die as a result of the same damage to their lungs as the bird flu causes unless they had the bird flu virus injected into them?

There is no bird flu pandemic. Therefore, the bird flu virus must almost certainly have entered the victim's blood stream through an injection.

Baxter in Austrian contaminated 72 kilos of vaccine material with the live bird flu virus supplied by a WHO reference lab this Feburary and so nearly triggered a global pandemic. People who had received these jabs would also have died from damage to their lungs similar to that now being seen.

Furthermore, the bird flu is an artifical, bioengineered virus, reconstructed by Jeffrey Taubenberg from the US Army Institute for Pathology from the genetic code of lung tissue of a victim of the 1918-1919 Spanish Flu whose body was found preserved in the Alaskan permafrost in 1996.

It is not clear where Baxter's 72 kilos of contaminated vaccine material are. Reports that the material has been destroyed have not been verified by an independent source.

Also, GlaxoSmithKline's Prepandrix vaccine contains the live bird flu virus.

Many experts believe the aim of WHO and the bankers behind them is to inject people with a lethal cocktail of viruses to spark the very pandemic that will allow forced mass vaccination.

Lungs of fatal swine flu patients badly damaged

Updated Thu. Sep. 3 2009 9:59 AM ET

The Canadian Press

TORONTO -- The lungs of people who have died from swine flu look more like those of the victims of H5N1 avian influenza than those of people who succumb to regular flu, the chief of infectious diseases pathology at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control says.

Study of about 70 fatal H1N1 cases so far also reveals there may be more incidences of co-infections with bacteria than was earlier thought, Dr. Sherif Zaki told The Canadian Press in an interview.

The damage to lung tissue is consistent with that inflicted by ARDS or acute respiratory distress symptom, Zaki says, referring to an often-fatal, difficult-to-treat syndrome that can have a number of causes. The U.S. National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute estimates about 30 per cent of people who develop ARDS die.

"In terms of the disease, yes, it (H1N1) is remarkably different than seasonal flu," Zaki says. "The pathology looks very similar to H5(N1)."

The dangerous avian flu virus has killed 60 per cent of the 440 people known to have been infected with it. To date, though, the virus hasn't acquired the capacity to spread easily from person to person.

The swine flu patients who went on to die suffered lung damage and changes in the lungs that would have made it difficult to deliver enough oxygen into their bloodstreams, Zaki says.

That reflects the observation of intensive care doctors who've struggled to save these profoundly ill patients.

"That's what they saw in Winnipeg," Dr. Paul Hebert, an intensive care physician and editor of the Canadian Medical Association Journal, said recently of how hard it is to oxygenate swine flu patients who become gravely ill.

"They have everybody on experimental ventilators and techniques. They can barely keep them alive."

A number of doctors who have treated novel H1N1 patients -- and colleagues who haven't yet -- were meeting in Winnipeg this week discussing what steps hospitals and ICUs need to take to get ready for an expected increase in pandemic flu cases this fall and winter.

Zaki says finding ways to prevent cases from progressing to severe illness should be the goal, "because once it happens in these patients . . . it's very difficult to treat."

Strikingly high levels of virus were spotted in the lungs of people who died rapidly from swine flu, he says, though less is seen in those who die after a longer battle with the virus.

"Some people die very quickly of it, within days. And some have more protracted illness, maybe two, three weeks," he says.

"It's surprising the amounts (of virus) that you see.... But it's not unheard of," he adds, pointing to what was seen with SARS.

Earlier studies conducted in tissue culture and in ferrets -- the best animal model for human flu -- found the new virus is drawn to tissue found deep in the lung. That's a penchant it shares with H5N1. Seasonal flu viruses attack the upper airways.

Zaki says about a third of the fatal cases his team has reviewed involved co-infection with a bacterium, though the culprit varies.

Sometimes it is Staphylococcus aureus -- the drug-resistant kind, known by the nickname MRSA and antibiotic-sensitive varieties as well. Some cases have involved group A Streptococcus. And some have been co-infection with Streptococcus pneumoniae.

"Those are the main three that we found."

"It was not very clear initially," Zaki adds of the frequency with which co-infection seems to occur in these cases. "But the more we studied, the more we realized that these do happen."

He suggests pneumococcal vaccine, used in the elderly to lower the risk of pneumonia, could be a useful tool if given to younger people. The highest numbers of deaths so far have been in people in their late 30s and 40s.

Some of the cases of co-infection have been in people who were hospitalized for an extended period, which wouldn't be all that surprising. But some were seen in people who weren't hospitalized.

With the new virus causing severe disease in only a small portion of cases, public health authorities have been criticized for overreacting and overhyping the threat swine flu poses. Some critics have suggested the new flu isn't really much worse than seasonal influenza.

From Zaki's vantage point, however, this is not regular flu.

"This is a new virus. It causes a different disease than what we're used to," he says. "So I don't think anybody can predict exactly, but it would be foolish not to be trying to study the disease more."

Comments

=Juliah 2009-09-04 19:12:08
Wow, that's very interesting. I just recently recovered from the flu last week. I did not go to the doctor, as I normally don't when I have the flu, so I don't know what type of flu it was, but I had unusual diffifulty breathing and shortness of breath. I was really gasping for air one night. I recovered just fine, though, without any medical treatment, and I'm well now. I work in hospitals and people were commenting how many of the doctors and nurses at work had it and were still going to work. Only 1 doctor that I know of actually wore a mask to work when he had the flu.

=The plan
William 2009-09-04 19:54:33
Hello, I don't understand this phrase:

"Many experts believe the aim of WHO and the bankers behind them is to inject people with a lethal cocktail of viruses to spark the very pandemic that will allow forced mass vaccination."

My question: how are they going to inject people with a lethal cocktail without mass vaccinating them?

=Leah 2009-09-04 20:41:03
If "the officials" are so very worried about H1N1 and its deadly effects that they're calling for "investigations" into it, and for a more elaborate plan of action for the upcoming flu season, why haven't the world "health officials" called for a similar action for HHV 6, 7, 8 and the other ten or so deadly, TOTAL BODY INVADING pathogens which have been infecting the world for more than 23 years, assisting in the cause of every disease from asthma to cancer? What a load of crap, I say.

=Matt 2009-09-04 21:06:09
William,
To answer your question I believe this means the people admitted to hospital with flu symptoms (in the coming weeks) will be given a jab said to help them. This jab will either be life threatening or kill them..then media will hype it up...then people will accept the need to be mass vaccinated.
say NO my friend,
Kiaora

=Matt 2009-09-04 21:09:23
Ooooo I left out the bit saying the first jabs will be kept secret & media/WHO will grossly exaggerate numbers of cases & deaths. Really, its the perfect storm

=Nick 2009-09-04 21:35:42
About that pneumococcal vaccine my mother in law who is 82 recived one a few years back.
Was suppose to protect from pneumonia for ten years.
Last year she had it twice, the year before that, same thing.
Stay away from all vaccines, they are absolutely useless.

=CAN BE SPRAYED VIS CHEMTRAILS
Jazon 2009-09-04 22:15:50
Jane, I have also been looking into Aspergillosis, Aflatoxin and H5N1
Lots of people are reporting mould on tobacco !!!

Aspergillosis, Aflatoxin and H5N1

* In Thailand in 2004, a young patient succumbed to infection by H5N1. (1)

* In December 2006, over 3,500 mallard ducks died along a small stretch of creek in Idaho - reported victims of infection by aspergillus. (2)

* In June 2007, HPAI H5N1 began to be detected in migratory waterfowl in Western European countries at a time of year that is inconsistent with introduction via migrating waterfowl species. (3)

Is there a relationship between these seemingly distant and unrelated events? Could Aspergillosis infection be a co-factor for H5N1 infection in both migratory waterfowl and human beings? Could Aspergillosis infection be a factor in the mutation of LPAI avian influenzas into HPAI avian influenzas?

What is Aspergillosis?

Aspergillosis is a non-contagious respiratory tract infection caused by fungi of the genus Aspergillus. Aspergillus is a ubiquitous mold found in organic matter. In other words it is found everywhere, and it is only the health of our immune systems that prevent serious disease from being a common occurrence. In developed countries Aspergillosis is normally found in patients that have compromised immune systems such as transplant patients and patients suffering from disease such as leukemia and HIV-Aids. A. fumigatus is the primary species responsible for disease in wild birds and humans, but, there are more than 100 species of Aspergillus. Aspergillosis can be lethal.

Aspergillus in wild birds “…is not contagious, and it may be an acute, rapidly fatal disease, or a more chronic disease. Both forms of the disease are commonly seen in free ranging birds, but the acute form is generally responsible for large scale events for adult birds and for brooder pneumonia in hatching birds. Aspergillus sp. also produce aflatoxins but the significance of those toxins in the ability of the fungus to cause disease in birds is unknown… Chronic forms of Aspergillosis have been described in wild birds since at least 1813…” (4)

Aspergillosis in humans may cause many different diseases. These diseases may include a fungal invasion of the blood vessels in the heart, lungs and elsewhere, lesions in the lungs, and it may spread to the central nervous system (5). Symptoms may include fever, coughing up blood, consolidation in the lungs, and skin discoloration. (6)

Aspergillus and Aflatoxins

Aspergillus sp. also produce aflatoxins but the significance of those toxins in the ability of the fungus to cause disease in birds is unknown (4)

“Aflatoxins are fungal metabolites that suppress animal immune systems, are probable human carcinogens, and frequently contaminate foods and feed…

…Diverse communities of aflatoxin producing occupy soils where aflatoxin contamination is common. "(7)

Aflatoxins are a serious environmental contaminant in developing countries where they cause thousands of deaths due to direct effects of the toxin, and unknown damage to health as a result of their immuno-suppressive effect.

“Aflatoxin contaminates such crops as corn, peanuts, rice, cotton, coconut, and cotton when they are improperly stored, especially in hot, humid climates. This highly toxic substance, produced by molds that exist in most environments, is one of the most carcinogenic compounds known and is a leading cause of liver cancer in developing countries; it can be absorbed by children through breast milk, thereby creating a lifelong exposure that can also contribute to malnutrition and a suppressed immune system. Studies have shown that, in most west African countries such as Ghana, approximately 95 percent of people show high levels of aflatoxin in their blood.”(8)

Aspergillus and Aflatoxins in Indonesia

Indonesia’s rubber production has a direct impact on the amount of aspergillus and aflatoxins in the environment. Rubber trees are frequently attacked by ‘white root disease’ which attacks the roots of mature trees and eventually kills them. As a defense against ‘white root disease’, farmers mix sulphur into the soil when the trees are planted. Sulphur is introduced because it encourages the growth and colonization of the roots by fungi that actually protect the roots from ‘white root disease’. Among the fungi that are colonized for this purpose are penicillium and aspergillus.

Most Indonesian rubber trees are grown on small holdings rather than agri-business plantations. It takes a number of years for a seedling to develop to the point where rubber latex can be harvested. For the interim, the government has promoted intercropping (planting other crops between the young trees) as a source of food and income for farmers until the trees mature. Of the major species of plants used for intercropping are several varieties of peanuts.

“Among the various raw and processed groundnuts collected from different points of the delivery chain (farmer, pene...

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stevegt

06-09-2009, 12:46 AM

http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html

A few graphs showing when vaccines were introduced.

http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html

Some facts? about vaccines.

Hi Molly, I was 60 this year,so was around during the polio epedemic.
I only remember 1 kid with polio. I guess I must have had the vaccines but don't remember. I got through it all safely anyway, but take a look at the graph, where they introduced the vaccine, epedemic was nearly over anyway.

The UK government has already ordered 60 million doses of the new vaccine, so will have to pay for them, whether they are used or not, so no loss to big pharma then. Then another lot when it mutates. Good business eh?

Rumsfelt made about half a billion dollars last year from Tamiflu, with only 10% royalties from Roche in Switzerland. How much this year?

Sounds like a protection racket to me!

1freethinker

06-09-2009, 12:48 AM

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 12:49 AM

I know what you mean molly, I just got directed to this thread after posting something similar. Looks like this thread was highly misunderstood from the start. Good thought, though. I just hope it isn't true because I am gambling and going to reject the vaccine still. So lets just hope it isn't a trick to get rid of resisters by unleashing something in the future in which the sheeple aren't effected by because they took the vaccine for it. So I will paste in here what I wrote for others to better understand what you mean.

Picture this.

Vaccine isn't for swine flu at all but for a disease they will unleash in the future.

The vaccine will most likely be given to the sheeple who do what they are told and have no thinking ability.

The resisters don't take the vaccines.

Ok, now everyone is vaccinated except resisters...

The disease I mentioned above is now unleashed.

Sheeple live because they got the vaccine.

Resisters died because they thought the vaccine was deadly and a scam.

Then what do you have left, the world depopulated of resister and only sheeple remain.

Only problem here is that your ''sheeple'' consist of about 90-95% of the world wide population. That's not going to help much the supposedly overpopulation problem for those freaks, now is it ?

fekdemasons

06-09-2009, 12:49 AM

Dont take the vaccine.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 12:51 AM

Only problem here is that your ''sheeple'' consist of about 90-95% of the world wide population. That's not going to help much the supposedly overpopulation problem for those freaks, now is it ?

Nope, but it gets rid of the resistance. Which was the point to began with...

EDIT - The resistance is what molly was referring to as the "conspiracy nuts", which everyone got so highly offended and misunderstood the whole point of the primary post in this thread.

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 12:59 AM

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 01:06 AM

Nope, but it gets rid of the resistance. Which was the point to began with...

EDIT - The resistance is what molly was referring to as the "conspiracy nuts", which everyone got so highly offended and misunderstood the whole point of the primary post in this thread.

Minimal resistance means fuck all to them ! What matters is the mass and most won't have much value anymore once the elite complete centralizing everything...resources and land. Therefore that view fails...

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 01:07 AM

molly still buys the LOVE SCAMS otherwise known as welfare , unemployment, BS vaccines to diseases THEY have CREATED. never thought I would actualy say this to someone HERE, but WAKE UP

Has it ever occured to you molly that if you were trying to pull off such a huge depop agenda, your going to have to have systems in place that make you look like good people? loving people? do you think they could pull this off with majority of population "on to there BS"? course not.

You didn't read what I wrote....

What we really have to be concerned about is ...is this the time of the harvest because we are stock...

We are you know how this works. Think about farm animals, what does the farmer do??? Does he try to kill his stock before the harvest??? Of course not, he takes very good care of it and I am sure the little lambs etc are totally blown away when they are lead up the ramp to the slaughter house ...

What doesn't he love us ... didn't he take awesome care of us and give us plenty of food and now he is slaughtering us!!!! That's what this is about and that is what you need to think about, not be concerned about them trying to poison you etc...

You're not much good in a harvest if you're poisoned or dead. The FEMA camps etc are a pretty good indication that maybe this is the time of the harvest and maybe 2012 is about this?

The elite are just puppets of a superior race and you are the food for this other race.... You are simply stock in the paddock of planet Earth and the farmer is on his way to harvest the crop!

beldazar

06-09-2009, 01:10 AM

"you can only get a virus if it is injected into your bloodstream" Argoness Vonderplanitz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbFxV_C8Yw4&feature=PlayList&p=73E3C0B32510BD58&index=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y67cKbD3blI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNq1clcnPZk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n33k1TdX4Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y73PIQBTZ7w&feature=related

Viruses are nanotechnology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBIZI4s5NiE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edavidicke%2Ecom%2Fforum%2F showthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D69177%26page%3D71&feature=player_embedded

WTF are you on about???? If you actually read the accounts of people who have supposedly died of the swine flu, there is ALWAYS underlying complications!!!

You are reading the bolded, enlarged headlines and discounting the small print!!! Which was intended :rolleyes:

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 01:12 AM

"The lungs of people who have died from the swine flu look like those of victims of the bird flu, the CDC said yesterday.

But how can people die as a result of the same damage to their lungs as the bird flu causes unless they had the bird flu virus injected into them?"

This in the above article .... is probably misinformation??? I most certainly have not been vaccinated with anything! Well not for many years at least.

But it highlights what I was telling you, that this virus goes straight to the lungs and is very serious!

The other thing people are forgetting .... is the numbers of the deaths are only counted if the victim was in perfect health and unlikely to have died from flu anyway.

Usually the numbers of flu deaths, count people of frail health who die of flu.

Do you realize that the vaccine for this particular string of flu was ''patented'' 1 year before the flu was officially recognized by health agencies.

When realizing that the swine flu was man made as very credible people in the field have testified to explain its impossible for it to be a naturally occurring phenomenon....then its easy to understand the agenda....

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 01:17 AM

You didn't read what I wrote....

What we really have to be concerned about is ...is this the time of the harvest because we are stock...

We are you know how this works. Think about farm animals, what does the farmer do??? Does he try to kill his stock before the harvest??? Of course not, he takes very good care of it and I am sure the little lambs etc are totally blown away when they are lead up the ramp to the slaughter house ...

What doesn't he love us ... didn't he take awesome care of us and give us plenty of food and now he is slaughtering us!!!! That's what this is about and that is what you need to think about, not be concerned about them trying to poison you etc...

You're not much good in a harvest if you're poisoned or dead. The FEMA camps etc are a pretty good indication that maybe this is the time of the harvest and maybe 2012 is about this?

The elite are just puppets of a superior race and you are the food for this other race.... You are simply stock in the paddock of planet Earth and the farmer is on his way to harvest the crop!

This is the harvest time...WTF ? They don't plan on waiting til' 2050 to have their ONE World Government, world army, world currency with a minimal necessary population to continue life as they wish...

So how do you think they harvest the crop ? Fear, pain, death, etc...Its being cranked up a notch and this is just a part of it....

rodin

06-09-2009, 01:17 AM

"you can only get a virus if it is injected into your bloodstream" Argoness Vonderplanitz

I had flu once. Not from a needle

Vaccinations are laced with degradation though

rodin

06-09-2009, 01:18 AM

The elite are just puppets of a superior race and you are the food for this other race.... You are simply stock in the paddock of planet Earth and the farmer is on his way to harvest the crop!
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Near term abortions are a harvest not of aliens but of Satan

tusme

06-09-2009, 01:20 AM

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 01:21 AM

Do you realize that the vaccine for this particular string of flu was ''patented'' 1 year before the flu was officially recognized by health agencies.

When realizing that the swine flu was man made as very credible people in the field have testified to explain its impossible for it to be a naturally occurring phenomenon....then its easy to understand the agenda....

Sure and you have constantly misunderstood what I am staying ....yes they want to kill off lots of people but not with the vaccine but with a bloody virus!!!

How else do you keep everyone you want alive and get rid of everyone else...

You vaccinate the desired, wanted population and then let a terrible virus go that the desired people have an immunity to.....

This was the whole point of this thread .....

The resisters are not the desired population .... they want YOU dead, get it!!!

So they are giving you all this scare information about the vaccine on purpose so you won't take it and you will be dead as desired.

Only the sheeple that they love will be left... it's a great plan if you think about it!!!!!

kriss_crow

06-09-2009, 01:24 AM

would you tell the truth if I asked you where you work?

rodin

06-09-2009, 01:26 AM

Netanyahu plans to spend NIS 450 million acquiring enough vaccine for every Israeli, a decision that proved controversial among Israeli doctors. A recent survey found that only 27 percent of family doctors agreed with Netanyahu's decision, while 39 percent believed the money should be used for other medical needs and 28 percent said a decision regarding vaccines should be postponed until a vaccine is developed.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132783

JERUSALEM - SWINE flu hasn't skipped the Jewish state. And despite some attempts, neither has its non-kosher name.
Deputy health minister Yakov Litzman, a member of an ultra-religious party, said earlier this week that the name 'swine flu' should not be used as it contains the name of the animal banned by Judaism.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_370221.html

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 01:27 AM

Its time most here understand why disease develops...
A human body that keeps a balanced ph level a little more on the Alkaline side than Acidic will never encounter sickness.

Disease and sickness develops through 2 main problems :

1- An accumulation of toxins in the body that turns it acidic and creates the fungus matter that can then develop any disease possible (cancer, viruses, etc.), it depends on your personal DNA structure to determine what you're most vulnerable to...

2- A lack of sufficient Minerals, enzymes, vitamins to keep the body functioning to its optimal potential, which then also enables the kinds of disease your structure is most vulnerable to...

In the old days, people lacked the necessary diets to sustain healthy systems throughout their lives because they didn't have access to all foods necessary to allow their bodies to function to its full potential. Also sanitary conditions were a major concern and reason for allowing toxins, therefore fungus to develop and cause disease !

rodin

06-09-2009, 01:29 AM

check this material

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

you were told about it? How?

@ mm

whybeherenow

06-09-2009, 01:29 AM

The resisters are not the desired population .... they want YOU dead, get it!!!

Yes I get that.

It is the individual that is their enemy, not the majority of the populace who are compliant livestock, grazing in their paddocks.

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 01:30 AM

Sure and you have constantly misunderstood what I am staying ....yes they want to kill off lots of people but not with the vaccine but with a bloody virus!!!

How else do you keep everyone you want alive and get rid of everyone else...

You vaccinate the desired, wanted population and then let a terrible virus go that the desired people have an immunity to.....

This was the whole point of this thread .....

The resisters are not the desired population .... they want YOU dead, get it!!!

So they are giving you all this scare information about the vaccine on purpose so you won't take it and you will be dead as desired.

Only the sheeple that they love will be left... it's a great plan if you think about it!!!!!

They want 95% of the people dead, not just resisters that are considered nuts and consist of less than 5 % of the population !! Do YOU get that ??????? WAKE UP !!!!!

tusme

06-09-2009, 01:31 AM

Sure and you have constantly misunderstood what I am staying ....yes they want to kill off lots of people but not with the vaccine but with a bloody virus!!!

How else do you keep everyone you want alive and get rid of everyone else...

You vaccinate the desired, wanted population and then let a terrible virus go that the desired people have an immunity to.....

This was the whole point of this thread .....

The resisters are not the desired population .... they want YOU dead, get it!!!

So they are giving you all this scare information about the vaccine on purpose so you won't take it and you will be dead as desired.

Only the sheeple that they love will be left... it's a great plan if you think about it!!!!!
As DI would say, you're tptb's "party trick"...!! :p

Hmm, at least they know not to take the virus...!! :(

beldazar

06-09-2009, 01:32 AM

I had flu once. Not from a needle

Vaccinations are laced with degradation though

So you have never had a vaccine?

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 01:32 AM

would you tell the truth if I asked you where you work?

I don't work for anybody. I am self employed, doing something trivial and not political at all.

1freethinker

06-09-2009, 01:33 AM

Yes I get that.

It is the individual that is their enemy, not the majority of the populace who are compliant livestock, grazing in their paddocks.

I get it too. Have from the start. Problem is, what resisters? internet forum members? people who SAY this and that? IMO there are no resisters. they dont give a fuk whos left! just as long as some are! to work! for them! wtf do they care who?

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 01:36 AM

They want 95% of the people dead, not just resisters that are considered nuts and consist of less than 5 % of the population !! Do YOU get that ??????? WAKE UP !!!!!

The people that want dead are in all the third world countries ...apart from resisters

Third world countries contain the huge Earth population, not here in the West .... look up population figures!!!!

Do you get it!!!!

rodin

06-09-2009, 01:37 AM

So you have never had a vaccine?

Not anywhere near the bout of flu I got. It was doing the rounds

whybeherenow

06-09-2009, 01:37 AM

I get it too. Have from the start. Problem is, what resisters? internet forum members? people who SAY this and that? IMO there are no resisters. they dont give a fuk whos left! just as long as some are! to work! for them! wtf do they care who?

Hmm - tend to agree - resisters is not the word - I live exactly the same way as the people I dismiss as being ignorant. Sure I try to minimize my involvement in the system, but I stil work,consume, be silent, and wait to die.

But I still think the only threat to them, if there is one at all, is individuality. Or perhaps I should re-phrase that to the only miniscule tiny possibility of a threat to them, is the individual. Maybe.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 01:42 AM

Minimal resistance means fuck all to them ! What matters is the mass and most won't have much value anymore once the elite complete centralizing everything...resources and land. Therefore that view fails...

Of course, but with the resistance gone everything else becomes easier, no more "awakening" because of whistle blowers will be long gone so with the resistance gone there will be no expanding resistance, you think my view fails but I guess your entitled to your opinion.

beldazar

06-09-2009, 01:42 AM

Not anywhere near the bout of flu I got. It was doing the rounds

ok, thanks.

I've heard that viruses can rise up years after a vaccine though.

It came from the series of video's I posted.

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 01:43 AM

The people that want dead are in all the third world countries ...apart from resisters

Third world countries contain the huge Earth population, not here in the West .... look up population figures!!!!

Do you get it!!!!

Yes I'm sure we mostly ALL got it from the start..... We'll have to wait and see then... Good luck taking your vaccine !

tusme

06-09-2009, 01:46 AM

It came from the series of video's I posted.
Hey Beldazar,

Those video's seem quite interesting, thanks...I'll watch them tomorrow sometime...!! ;)

tusme

06-09-2009, 01:48 AM

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 01:49 AM

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 01:49 AM

Of course, but with the resistance gone everything else becomes easier, no more "awakening" because of whistle blowers will be long gone so with the resistance gone there will be no expanding resistance, you think my view fails but I guess your entitled to your opinion.

A human body that keeps a balanced ph level a little more on the Alkaline side than Acidic will never encounter sickness.
Disease and sickness develops through 2 main problems :

1- An accumulation of toxins in the body that turns it acidic and creates the fungus matter that can then develop any disease possible (cancer, viruses, etc.), it depends on your personal DNA structure to determine what you're most vulnerable to...

2- A lack of sufficient Minerals, enzymes, vitamins to keep the body functioning to its optimal potential, which then also enables the kinds of disease your structure is most vulnerable to...

A vaccine no matter what kind, sets the path for an acidic physical state !

Take care :)

beldazar

06-09-2009, 01:56 AM

Hey Beldazar,

Those video's seem quite interesting, thanks...I'll watch them tomorrow sometime...!! ;)

Ok Tusme :)

(hard work here innit? :D)

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 02:06 AM

Hey Mysticmolly,

I'm starting to think, you're nothng but a "shill" for tptb...!!

Go on, call me a "conspiracy nut"...I believe, the polar regions are being bombarded with HAARP type technology, hence, tptb's hullabaloo re, global warming & the greenhouse affect, etc, etc...

Tell us, have you had any of those "amazing dreams" recently...!? :)

She was making a point by roleplaying it through the view of an elite, sheesh...she isn't literally referring to us as conspiracy nuts...lol calm down. Read my post in section around 14-16 I think, I posted what she meant for people to better understand. She's saying WHAT IF the vaccine isn't harmful at all it's just a trick to get what I will label "resisters" killed off in a future diseases released because the we're tricked into thinking the vaccine was deadly when the elite KNEW they would reject it thus killing them off. That is all she is saying, it was an idea. She is not stating it as a fact. Go back and read the primary post, a few times over. I misunderstood her at first too, thankfully i didn't reply but got directed here at a later time after posting something similar.

tusme

06-09-2009, 09:43 AM

She was making a point by roleplaying it through the view of an elite, sheesh...she isn't literally referring to us as conspiracy nuts...lol calm down. Read my post in section around 14-16 I think, I posted what she meant for people to better understand. She's saying WHAT IF the vaccine isn't harmful at all it's just a trick to get what I will label "resisters" killed off in a future diseases released because the we're tricked into thinking the vaccine was deadly when the elite KNEW they would reject it thus killing them off. That is all she is saying, it was an idea. She is not stating it as a fact. Go back and read the primary post, a few times over. I misunderstood her at first too, thankfully i didn't reply but got directed here at a later time after posting something similar.
Well, Suicidal_martyr, if I may say so, the people have had enough of the "elite" and their shenanigans...and anyone "roleplaying" them, imho, is part of the problem...!! Likewise, you defending such "roleplaying", causes you too, to be part of that same problem...!!

Mysticmolly's logic is fatally flawed...!!

What gives the "elite", Mysticmolly and you the right to "kill off people", simply co's they wish not to accept a blinking vaccine, eh...!?

Then, he/she goes on about the "third world" being "over-populated"...!! So what if it is...? What business do you have with them people choosing to exist in such a reality...?

Listen mate, the "elite" and their "vaccinated sheep" (including their satanic, luciferian or negative energy agenda) can all "fuck-off" back to the planet (or vibrational frequency) from whence they came..!! :mad:

And, leave all us "resisters" and the "over-populated third world" to sort ourselves out, in Truth, Love, Peace, Compassion, Forgiveness & Empathy...qualities, it seems, in the case of the "elite" and the likes of you and Mysticmolly is seriously lacking...!!

Otherwise, if it's the case I really did misunderstand Mysticmolly, then, perhaps it's intentional...co's it STINKS...!! :)

Btw, we're not "roleplaying"...how bout you and Mysticmolly, start acting as if you know the Truth, rather than mimick such fools as the "elite"...!? :confused:

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 09:50 AM

What gives the "elite", Mysticmolly and you the right to "kill off people", simply co's they wish not to accept a blinking vaccine, eh...!?

Get a grip will you ....

I was only raising a theory,

how many times does this have to be said!!!!

tusme

06-09-2009, 10:05 AM

Get a grip will you ....

I was only raising a theory,

how many times does this have to be said!!!!
No!! You get a grip...!!

"Killing off people" simply co's they refused to accept he vaccine, is a "crap theory"...imho...!!

Hypothetically speaking, if you had "5 kids"...and ordered them all to "drink poison", because 3 of them resisted that order, you then decided to kill them anyway...notwithstanding, the other 2 at some point in time would be killed by consuming that poison...but somehow, because they do, your let them live...eh!?

Yet, for some "strange" reason, you yourself will not consume that "poison"...!?

Please, get a grip...just what kind of "logic" is that...!? :mad:

May I suggest you "dream up" another "theory", hopefully then, it will be on the side of Truth...

Hmm...!? :(

beldazar

06-09-2009, 10:09 AM

beldazar

06-09-2009, 10:32 AM

Here, have some MAINSTREAM NEWS reporting for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edavidicke%2Ecom%2Fcontent% 2Fblogcategory%2F30%2F82%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=281

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 10:45 AM

Here, have some MAINSTREAM NEWS reporting for you!

Well that didn't seem like main stream news to me besides it was from Russia!

When you went to U Tube it said this in the little blog

So far swine flu has proved to be very contagious, but not more deadly than the common flu. However, scientists fear it may combine with avian flu, which is currently very dangerous but hard to pass on.

Two things have changed since then .....

WHO is reporting

Doctors are reporting a severe form of swine flu that goes straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organization said on Friday.

http://thegovmonitor.com/world_news/united_states/who-warns-of-severe-strain-of-swine-flu-2519.html

and I know this to be true because it is effecting people where I live and ....

Swine Flu and Bird Flu have now combined!!!

Rome, 2 Sept. (AKI) - A 35 year-old Italian tourist is one of three people believed to have been infected with A(H1N1) virus, or swine flu, as well as the H5N1 virus, known as avian flu. The patients are recovering in the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Hurghada, said Mohammed Rifai, director general of preventive medicine.

Rifai also spoke of a 28-year-old man who tested positive for both viruses, after arriving at the port of Safaga after a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.3724836800

So it seems likely, that things are about to get a whole lot worse!!!

beldazar

06-09-2009, 10:50 AM

Where is the headbanging emoticon??? :eek:

Ah dear...I give up! :rolleyes:

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 10:52 AM

Where is the headbanging emoticon??? :eek:

Ah dear...I give up! :rolleyes:

Sure nobody likes bad news ... best to ignore it then... hope it's all some bad dream?

beldazar

06-09-2009, 10:57 AM

Sure nobody likes bad news ... best to ignore it then... hope it's all some bad dream?

:rolleyes: :)

tusme

06-09-2009, 11:20 AM

Well that didn't seem like main stream news to me besides it was from Russia!

When you went to U Tube it said this in the little blog

So far swine flu has proved to be very contagious, but not more deadly than the common flu. However, scientists fear it may combine with avian flu, which is currently very dangerous but hard to pass on.

Two things have changed since then .....

WHO is reporting

Doctors are reporting a severe form of swine flu that goes straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organization said on Friday.

http://thegovmonitor.com/world_news/united_states/who-warns-of-severe-strain-of-swine-flu-2519.html

and I know this to be true because it is effecting people where I live and ....

Swine Flu and Bird Flu have now combined!!!

Rome, 2 Sept. (AKI) - A 35 year-old Italian tourist is one of three people believed to have been infected with A(H1N1) virus, or swine flu, as well as the H5N1 virus, known as avian flu. The patients are recovering in the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Hurghada, said Mohammed Rifai, director general of preventive medicine.

Rifai also spoke of a 28-year-old man who tested positive for both viruses, after arriving at the port of Safaga after a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.3724836800

So it seems likely, that things are about to get a whole lot worse!!!
Hmm, a "dis-info agent" too...!! :)

Just co's a news stream is broadcasted by the "Russian Times" does not necessarily mean it is doing so from within Russia...www.RT.com (http://www.RT.com) is a NYC based media establishment...

Furthermore, does it matter at all, that both the "swine & bird flu" are laboratory created viruses...!?

Tbh, I'd much rather that WHO use their resources to locate and prosocute those perpetrating laboratories, instead of their, propagating scare-tactics amongst the populace, as they seem to be doing now...!!

Btw, in case you didn't know, WHO is a UN tool and the UN is a tool of your "elite"...so, how could we possibly trust what these people are saying, is Truth...eh!? :confused:

deany

06-09-2009, 11:42 AM

My original theory here was that they will save the western countries peoples and wipe out the vulnerable and those not wanted elsewhere?

If we get this sick .... we have good medical care .... how will it effect people in poorer nations where their health is already not in a good way because of poor living standards. Most of the population on Earth is in these third world countries.

hmm perhaps then you have not seen all the various articles saying that western countries like the UK are vastly overpopulated then?

According to people like Jonathon Porritt who is in the current Brown cartell.
He wants to reduce the UK population by more than 50% aacording to this recent article in the times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5950442.ece

so are you sure they want to portect westerners anymore than Africans?

noewhan

06-09-2009, 11:50 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-anZr096cQ

^^ A good film... Any thoughts?

It has some information about how smallpox disease trend was going down, but then they introduced a vaccine which raised the numbers..?!

decided

06-09-2009, 01:14 PM

[media]
It has some information about how smallpox disease trend was going down, but then they introduced a vaccine which raised the numbers..?!

Very good video. Thanks for posting it!

This articel seems to be saying pretty much the same thing:

http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020119hadwin/020119hadwenmagazine.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/cost_i.html

Edited to add: Here is a great blog for anyone interested in getting informed about vaccines in general:

www.insidevaccines.com/wordpress

rodin

06-09-2009, 01:23 PM

According to people like Jonathon Porritt who is in the current Brown cartell. He wants to reduce the UK population by more than 50% aacording to this recent article in the times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5950442.ece

Eliminating White Christians will satisfy his requirements

decim

06-09-2009, 03:39 PM

molly, the lung infections are not viral they are bacterial.
MRSA Strep Staph etc inducing Pneumonia conditions.

MRSA is widely prevalent now, particularly in Hospitals.

One thing all the dead 'swine flu' victims have in common is that they all died in Hospitals. <---clue

Britain has the dirtiest most unsanitary & infectious Hospitals in the Whole of the known world bar none, that includes such places as the amazon basin, pakistan or botswana.

"Underlying health condition" = news-speak for we killed them in Hospital.

Check out the mortality rates for MRSA & C Diff etc..

'government' figures put the total deaths at over 30,000, we can reliably atest that by their previous 'massaging' of figures that 30,000 will be the low side of politically astute.

The National Hell Service has been crashed on a purpose for the benefit of big fpharmer & private 'healthcare' corporations & conglomerates.

The wholesale importation of 3rd world labour for the NHS was & is part of 'their' plan to kill many birds with some very cheap stones.

"The lungs of people who have died from the swine flu look like those of victims of the bird flu, the CDC said yesterday.

But how can people die as a result of the same damage to their lungs as the bird flu causes unless they had the bird flu virus injected into them?"

This in the above article .... is probably misinformation??? I most certainly have not been vaccinated with anything! Well not for many years at least.

But it highlights what I was telling you, that this virus goes straight to the lungs and is very serious!

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 04:47 PM

Get a grip will you ....

I was only raising a theory,

how many times does this have to be said!!!!

You weren't just raising a theory, that's a blatant lie right there ! If people take the time to go through this entire thread, they will soon realize you weren't just bringing up a possible scenario you envisioned...

You were actually advocating that vaccines in general have made an essential contribution through time up to this day !!!

Therefore you are making it clear that you are pro-vaccine, no matter what....

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 04:52 PM

People, viruses don't just develop easily in the human body, they need the ''foundation'' to enable them....

That ''foundation is an acidic environment.....Vaccines contribute to such an environment in the human body !!!

rodin

06-09-2009, 04:54 PM

ok, thanks.

I've heard that viruses can rise up years after a vaccine though.

It came from the series of video's I posted.

I had a bout of ME 2 decades ago. Horrible it was and persistent. I think it came from a malaria vaccine.

beldazar

06-09-2009, 04:58 PM

I had a bout of ME 2 decades ago. Horrible it was and persistent. I think it came from a malaria vaccine.

I wouldnt be surprised Rodin.

I know how bizarre this all seems. We have all been manipulated for YEARS into thinking that vaccines are to protect us and are there for our benefit.

Nothing could be further from the truth :(

broadperspective

06-09-2009, 05:03 PM

Sure nobody likes bad news ... best to ignore it then... hope it's all some bad dream?

Ironically, you're speaking for yourself there...:p

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 05:09 PM

Well, Suicidal_martyr, if I may say so, the people have had enough of the "elite" and their shenanigans...and anyone "roleplaying" them, imho, is part of the problem...!! Likewise, you defending such "roleplaying", causes you too, to be part of that same problem...!!

Mysticmolly's logic is fatally flawed...!!

What gives the "elite", Mysticmolly and you the right to "kill off people", simply co's they wish not to accept a blinking vaccine, eh...!?

Then, he/she goes on about the "third world" being "over-populated"...!! So what if it is...? What business do you have with them people choosing to exist in such a reality...?

Listen mate, the "elite" and their "vaccinated sheep" (including their satanic, luciferian or negative energy agenda) can all "fuck-off" back to the planet (or vibrational frequency) from whence they came..!! :mad:

And, leave all us "resisters" and the "over-populated third world" to sort ourselves out, in Truth, Love, Peace, Compassion, Forgiveness & Empathy...qualities, it seems, in the case of the "elite" and the likes of you and Mysticmolly is seriously lacking...!!

Otherwise, if it's the case I really did misunderstand Mysticmolly, then, perhaps it's intentional...co's it STINKS...!! :)

Btw, we're not "roleplaying"...how bout you and Mysticmolly, start acting as if you know the Truth, rather than mimick such fools as the "elite"...!? :confused:

I couldn't think of any other way to word it but making a point she isn't literally meaning it how she posted in the start. maybe it should of been worded differently. Your a fricking moron if you can't understand, besides nothing is being stated as a fact, it was just a scenario. You can think what you want, your a fake anyway. Doesn't take much to see that. With that said, welcom to my ignore list.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 05:11 PM

Have you read through the entire thread???

It doesnt seem like you have.....

Nope, just the primary post. The rest of the thread isn't nothing but anger being exchanged, causing people to say just about anything. I'd rather not read the entire thread to be honest. I'm just pointing out the primary post was misunderstood. That's all. Btw, your the one who directed me who from "what my doctor said about the swine flu" because I had typed something similar to what she was meaning.

beldazar

06-09-2009, 05:11 PM

You weren't just raising a theory, that's a blatant lie right there ! If people take the time to go through this entire thread, they will soon realize you weren't just bringing up a possible scenario you envisioned...

You were actually advocating that vaccines in general have made an essential contribution through time up to this day !!!

Therefore you are making it clear that you are pro-vaccine, no matter what....

Exactly!

In all fairness though, I think that molly doesnt really feel this way any more. She is just defending her beliefs....

I got a bit upset with this thread the other day.There is no excuse for a member of this forum to not realise that vaccinations are NO GOOD.
Added to that my sis in Australia saying she is ALL FOR childhood vaccinations and because she had cervical cancer, her daughter had the cervical cancer vaccination. She was quite shitty in her e-mail to me :(

I have been slowly drip-feeding my mum info on the swine flu vaccines and vaccines in general over the last 6 months, she has read and watched only a FRACTION of what I have looked into. I phoned her up that day to ask if the info I had provided had any impact on how she feels now. She replied that she certainly will NOT be taking any vaccine!
Hooray for my 77 year old mum who I didnt get on with for years who has enough 'common sense' to at least look into what I am trying to say :)

beldazar

06-09-2009, 05:12 PM

Nope, just the primary post. The rest of the thread isn't nothing but anger being exchanged, causing people to say just about anything. I'd rather not read the entire thread to be honest. I'm just pointing out the primary post was misunderstood. That's all. Btw, your the one who directed me who from "what my doctor said about the swine flu" because I had typed something similar to what she was meaning.

Well there you go!

You are speaking out of your proverbial bum-hole. Your post has a different slant to Molly's and if you were to read through this thread you would have seen that

Yes I'm aware it was me. :rolleyes:

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 05:19 PM

Btw, I don't support the vaccine either. I was just making a single point about the first post which wasn't stated as a fact but was a scenario. But seems I became misunderstood too lol. Doesn't matter, as my ignore options suits me just fine. I'm not here to argue. I'm here to share my views and learn, not fight and argue. It's stupid. This thread needs locked imo.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 05:20 PM

Well there you go!

You are speaking out of your proverbial bum-hole. Your post has a different slant to Molly's and if you were to read through this thread you would have seen that

Yes I'm aware it was me. :rolleyes:

Nice edit. Glad to see you stoop to a lower level. Welcome to my ignore list.
Besides the entire thread has become off topic after the first post anyway. if I don't want to read it I won't because it's ignorance. I've already states I am against the vaccine. I don't have to clarify it anymore than that. personally I don't give a crap whether you believe me or not because well, obviously I don't even know you. By the likes of your attitude I doubt I would want to for that matter.

tusme

06-09-2009, 05:43 PM

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 05:43 PM

Anyways I know what you mean molly as far as what you meant in the first post. Imo, you should of worded it differently, though. It wouldn't of escalated into what it has now. I thought about that scenario and to be honest don't know what to believe but I know it is possible. But I am still going to take my chances and reject the vaccine.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 05:45 PM

tusme
This message is hidden because tusme is on your ignore list.

Sorry, i'd read what you have to say but to be honest i'd rather avoid it as I can only take so much before I snap and make an ass out of myself here.

Lolz, just had to view the post, I don't mind debates. What I don't appreciate is the insults. That wasn't much of a debate anyways from your first reply to me. It was more of an attack, incase you didn't notice. Nice how you judge and toss things out there on people that are irrelevant nor even apply to the person.

beldazar

06-09-2009, 05:57 PM

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 05:58 PM

Well for all of you, going on and on .....

I never once said I was pro this vaccine or that I intend to take it.

I did say I didn't need to because I have already had the bad swine flu virus.

You are all just ranting for the hell of it.

Whether I take the vaccine or think it is good or bad has nothing what so ever to do with what I posted as a theory!!!

If I choose to think, that the childhood vaccines we get, are not harmful and have protected kids, that's my choice to believe that!!!

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine!!!

I personally think there has been a lot of bullshit and scare tactics going on about vaccines

and that much of it, is over blown hype and crap and I can believe that, if I wish!!!!

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 06:01 PM

Yep, you can. It is ranting too it's just funny how the first post was completely misudnerstood, they think you are FOR the elite because of the way you worded it...lol well tusme seems to have all the answers as to who and what you are now, lmfao:rolleyes:

They call insults and flaming, "debating", HAHAHAHAH!!!!!! Funniest crap I have heard today.

mysticmolly

06-09-2009, 06:08 PM

beldazar

06-09-2009, 06:12 PM

Thanks for your support, I appreciate it....

I find it hard to believe, how people can get themselves so worked up???

Because this is a serious issue Molly and we need as many people as possible to go against this vaccine programme.

Yes I have been losing my patience, I certainly wont deny that.

The ones advocating this vaccine will be responsible for pushing it onto the ones that arent, NOT the 'elite!'

tusme

06-09-2009, 06:15 PM

Hi "Suicidal_martyr"

tusme
This message is hidden because tusme is on your ignore list.
:confused:

Sorry, i'd read what you have to say but to be honest i'd rather avoid it as I can only take so much before I snap and make an ass out of myself here.
Don't worry about it...!! Welcome to the DI forums...!! ;)

Lolz, just had to view the post, I don't mind debates. What I don't appreciate is the insults. That wasn't much of a debate anyways from your first reply to me. It was more of an attack, incase you didn't notice. Nice how you judge and toss things out there on people that are irrelevant nor even apply to the person.
Well, imho, I think you outdone me with the "insults"... :D

Otherwise, apologies, if my initial post (directed at you), seemed as if I was "attacking" you...that was not the intention anyway...!!

I'm not sure what you mean, re, "judge and toss thiings out there on people"...!? :confused:

Hmm, honestly cannot see how I was doing that, when I was simply quoting your's and Mysticmolly's posts, and responding accordingly...nothing wrong with that, is there...!? :( :)

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 06:16 PM

Thanks for your support, I appreciate it....

I find it hard to believe how people can get themselves so worked up???

Oh, that was mainly because they don't like your opinion on vaccines. Sadly I get it thrown in my face how I apparently don't like debates. When there was no debate to began with. It's mostly insults which is why i didn't read the whole thread in the first place because it's really not my problem whether you support vaccines or not, others on the other hand would rather throw in false implication and attack your opinion rather than "debate". I only came here because I was onto something similar to your primary post (not in those words exactly) so I thought I would clarify what you meant. But then I get implications thrown at me as well when I am not even on about whatever they are as far as opposing the vaccine. I oppose it myself. O well, i'll take it as a learning experience. I see a fews true colors now, heh..besides, if it means anything I have signed petitions rejecting the vaccines as well, I even signed one opposing codex

tusme

06-09-2009, 06:21 PM

Thats what I was thinking......I'm far too nosy to put anyone on ignore, lol
:D...if only I knew how to "put someone on ignore", perhaps I might well have used the darned thing, already...!! :o :D

beldazar

06-09-2009, 06:25 PM

:D...if only I knew how to "put someone on ignore", perhaps I might well have used the darned thing, already...!! :o :D

It has crossed my mind once of twice but I can see myself undoing it everytime a post comes up saying, "blah blah is on your ignore list" :D

tusme

06-09-2009, 06:31 PM

It has crossed my mind once of twice but I can see myself undoing it everytime a post comes up saying, "blah blah is on your ignore list" :D
:D...perhaps we should put each other "on ignore", co's there seems to be a "them vs us" issue going on now... :D

beldazar

06-09-2009, 06:38 PM

:D...perhaps we should put each other "on ignore", co's there seems to be a "them vs us" issue going on now... :D

Yeah there is Tusme, and to be honest, I feel a bit embarrassed about it right now, someone put up a thread about DI's newsletter and I replied to it a moment ago..
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80662

It mentions we should set our differences aside and pull together.
TBH I have wanted to scream at Suicidal Martyr and now I want to make peace with him. F*ck this shite, we shouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves, its time to make peace.

Sorry if I upset you Suicidal Martyr, you too molly :o

tusme

06-09-2009, 07:06 PM

Yeah there is Tusme, and to be honest, I feel a bit embarrassed about it right now, someone put up a thread about DI's newsletter and I replied to it a moment ago..
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80662

It mentions we should set our differences aside and pull together.
TBH I have wanted to scream at Suicidal Martyr and now I want to make peace with him. F*ck this shite, we shouldnt be arguing amongst ourselves, its time to make peace.

Sorry if I upset you Suicidal Martyr, you too molly :o
Good post, Beldazar...I agree. ;)

My display of "anger", as "Suicidal_martyr" noticed, was "fake"...so I ain't feeling bad about anything...!! :D

It is inevitable, as we all seem very passionate about tackling tptb's negative agenda, that some differences in opinion or vibrational (energy) frequencies, may be "unbalanced"...

We're all good people, on this DI forum...indeed, the purpose of Truth energy, will soon bring all such "imbalances" into synch...!!

As for the purpose of "negative energy", however, is to usurp our energies, by keeping us "seperated" through fighting and hating each other...!!

The choice is all ours to make...!! :)

beldazar

06-09-2009, 07:12 PM

tusme

06-09-2009, 07:33 PM

Excellent post Tusme :)
Thanks Bel...!! ;)

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 07:33 PM

Good post, Beldazar...I agree. ;)

My display of "anger", as "Suicidal_martyr" noticed, was "fake"...so I ain't feeling bad about anything...!! :D

It is inevitable, as we all seem very passionate about tackling tptb's negative agenda, that some differences in opinion or vibrational (energy) frequencies, may be "unbalanced"...

We're all good people, on this DI forum...indeed, the purpose of Truth energy, will soon bring all such "imbalances" into synch...!!

As for the purpose of "negative energy", however, is to usurp our energies, by keeping us "seperated" through fighting and hating each other...!!

The choice is all ours to make...!! :)

I like how you have a way with twisting things around. Your a complete joke dude. I been reading the post all along. I got no bad blood with you beldazar but this Tusme guy seems to want to keep the issue escalading so i'm in if that's what you want buddy. Look how you twist around my view of your anger as fake LMAO. I said YOU are fake. Not your emotions. And after seeing your little "us vs. them" comment your intentions only tell me your too swelled up with pride to just stfu. Besides, there was no negative agenda as you say. Way to go, keep making yourself look like an idiot.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 07:35 PM

Nah, it's satire. He is pretty good at it but I am not stupid. Thankfully I can see it. Just brought the whole problem back to life because now I won't back down. You should practice what you preach because the way you talk on here you sure aren't living up to it. So where u at i'm waiting for a response. God I love being a Libra, arguing..it's in my blood... =)

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 07:55 PM

So anyway in Molly's defense I am going to post something similar to what she meant but didn't word it right. This is in regard to the PRIMARY POST I don't care what went on after that. If I were to make a thread about it here is how I would type it.

What if the vaccine coming up isn't harmful at all but it was an elitist trick because they knew a certain group of people would reject the vaccine. In the future they release a new virus/disease/ or whatever. Since the "resisters" rejected the vaccined they all die off because that vaccine was intended for this future disease. Making that elite plan succesful, now assuming that is true why would it matter to get rid of a few "resisters"? To stop the EXPANSION of resisters. Leaving the world of mostly only "sheeple" making the elite agenda easier. Get it? NOW I AM NOT STATING THIS AS A FACT BUT I AM SAYING WHAT IF!!!??? And WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS??

Btw, if it is misunderstood ONCE AGAIN. Just to give you a heads up I AM AGAINST THE VACCINE PERIOD!

tusme

06-09-2009, 08:05 PM

beldazar

06-09-2009, 08:07 PM

beldazar

06-09-2009, 08:09 PM

tusme

06-09-2009, 08:18 PM

Sorry mate..."no good shutting the barn door", now"...!! :)

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 08:28 PM

Hey "Suicidal_martyr",

:D I'm not "twisting" anything...Truth cannot be "fake", can it...!?

Apart from those "angry" emoticons I used (re, this thread), everything else I stated was Truth...got it!? :)

Listen my friend, you've got me "on ignore", so I don't see the point of escalating anything with you...!! And the reason I'm still responding to you now, is co's you, somehow, thought by putting me (and Beldazar) on ignore was a smart or tactical move...this is the DI forum, mate...the Truth shall out...!! :)

Furthermore, taking things personal in a public forum is not a good idea...if you simply entered this debate expressing your difference of opinion to the OP, then, we would not have got to this point...but no, you first had to tell me how I should have interpreted the OP...and then, when you ran into a "brick wall", started insulting and calling people names...!? :(

Lastly, I've not said, you or Mysticmolly have a "negative agenda"...I'm pretty sure I didn't, but, if I did, then I apologise!!

What I did intend to say was, tptb have a "negative agenda"...!!

Otherwise, FYI, I'm more than happy being an "idiot" for Truth...!! ;)

Hmm...!? :(

There you go twisting things around again. Read from where I come into this thread to the end. Let's see who is the trouble maker. Because it isn't me. Besides it has nothing to do with "truth" I have stated more than enough that my posts are in relations with the primary post. I don't care about what went on after that as far as anyone disagreeing. I have already stated I am against vaccines as well. It's apparent that your oblivious to any point I have tried to make because each response is irrelavent to anything I have posted. You just twist things around. If you don't see it thats your problem, that's the TRUTH. As long as I know what I know about you that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if you disagree with how I see you. I know what I know, my opinions fixed and there isn't no debating nor changing that. So I will make it clear AGAIN, My post are in relation to the primary post of this thread, I myself am against the vaccine. What's so hard to understand about that? You can't change anyones view on the vaccine, if molly is fixed on her opinion of the vaccines thats her right to do so and as far as i've seen since I decide to read more of the thread. There is no ******* debate!!! They are flames and insults. May as well just accept your wrong buddy, I won't back down because I know I haven't done nothing wrong to begin with. I just hate the brutish hateful, sarcastic comments on here, it irritates the piss out of me when people like YOU, undermine ones opiniona nd make ridicule of it. Do you not know how to debate constructivly without sarcasm and being a dick to everyone? because that's the case now, that's why your really, REALLY pissing me off. You DO twist things around, if no one noticed it some will eventually. You can't fool me.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 08:34 PM

Furthermore, taking things personal in a public forum is not a good idea...if you simply entered this debate expressing your difference of opinion to the OP, then, we would not have got to this point...but no, you first had to tell me how I should have interpreted the OP...and then, when you ran into a "brick wall", started insulting and calling people names...!?

Wow, so your saying I gotta take sides? FYI I am on no ones side. I said it once and I will say it again. I only care about the very first post in this thread. As far as the argument whether vaccines or good or not is your argument and not mine. I am simply defending what my point was. I didn't enter to TAKE ANY SIDES. besides I already stated enough I am against the vaccine. I don't think I should have to justify myself anymore. This is ignorant and I won't back down til you see your flaws. As far as me"name calling" i'd say you said something to provoke that, whether it be sarcasm or satire. Which really ticks me off. I just don't like how you twist things. It's all i've seen IN THIS WHOLE THREAD regarding to your posts

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 08:41 PM

So i am asking anyone who comes across this thread who sees this guys posts. To not skim or read without thought but use a bit of common sense reading his post and if your analytical enough you will see all he does is twist things around. This pisses me off, even more I've dropped down to this level I am even going as far as not giving a shit whether I get in trouble for it or not. So HOW DARE YOU, think you are on the right track with the way you treat people on here, because from what I see YOU ARE A FAKE and definetly don't live up to anything you talk about in regards to being good. I think I am going to qoute everything you typed in this thread and expose just how moronic you really are because you just don't get it.

tusme

06-09-2009, 08:56 PM

There you go twisting things around again. Read from where I come into this thread to the end. Let's see who is the trouble maker. Because it isn't me. Besides it has nothing to do with "truth" I have stated more than enough that my posts are in relations with the primary post. I don't care about what went on after that as far as anyone disagreeing. I have already stated I am against vaccines as well. It's apparent that your oblivious to any point I have tried to make because each response is irrelavent to anything I have posted. You just twist things around. If you don't see it thats your problem, that's the TRUTH. As long as I know what I know about you that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if you disagree with how I see you. I know what I know, my opinions fixed and there isn't no debating nor changing that. So I will make it clear AGAIN, My post are in relation to the primary post of this thread, I myself am against the vaccine. What's so hard to understand about that? You can't change anyones view on the vaccine, if molly is fixed on her opinion of the vaccines thats her right to do so and as far as i've seen since I decide to read more of the thread. There is no ******* debate!!! They are flames and insults. May as well just accept your wrong buddy, I won't back down because I know I haven't done nothing wrong to begin with. I just hate the brutish hateful, sarcastic comments on here, it irritates the piss out of me when people like YOU, undermine ones opiniona nd make ridicule of it. Do you not know how to debate constructivly without sarcasm and being a dick to everyone? because that's the case now, that's why your really, REALLY pissing me off. You DO twist things around, if no one noticed it some will eventually. You can't fool me.
:D...the reason it seems, "I'm pissing you off", is co's, Truth is reflecting your own negativity back to yourself...hence now, seeking to blame me for it...!! :eek: :)

Don't fool yourself, being a "libra" has got nothing to do with it...!!

To me, you seem to have "lost control"...thus, evidence of "negative energy"...unfortunately. :p

Btw, you seem obsessed with the term, "twist"...? :confused: Hmm, yet another sign of the presence of "negative energy"...!!

Now, good luck to you, mate...I've offered you enough of my energy...please, find yourself another host...!! ;)

Otherwise, I'm gonna locate that "ignore button"...and do what needs doing...!! :)

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 08:58 PM

I know what you mean molly, I just got directed to this thread after posting something similar. Looks like this thread was highly misunderstood from the start. Good thought, though. I just hope it isn't true because I am gambling and going to reject the vaccine still. So lets just hope it isn't a trick to get rid of resisters by unleashing something in the future in which the sheeple aren't effected by because they took the vaccine for it. So I will paste in here what I wrote for others to better understand what you mean.

Picture this.

Vaccine isn't for swine flu at all but for a disease they will unleash in the future.

The vaccine will most likely be given to the sheeple who do what they are told and have no thinking ability.

The resisters don't take the vaccines.

Ok, now everyone is vaccinated except resisters...

The disease I mentioned above is now unleashed.

Sheeple live because they got the vaccine.

Resisters died because they thought the vaccine was deadly and a scam.

Then what do you have left, the world depopulated of resister and only sheeple remain.

K from when I first came in here is my first post. Now lets see your next post

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 08:59 PM

:D...the reason it seems, "I'm pissing you off", is co's, Truth is reflecting your own negativity back to yourself...hence now, seeking to blame me for it...!! :eek: :)

Don't fool yourself, being a "libra" has got nothing to do with it...!!

To me, you seem to have "lost control"...thus, evidence of "negative energy"...unfortunately. :p

Btw, you seem obsessed with the term, "twist"...? :confused: Hmm, yet another sign of the presence of "negative energy"...!!

Now, good luck to you, mate...I've offered you enough of my energy...please, find yourself another host...!! ;)

Otherwise, I'm gonna locate that "ignore button"...and do what needs doing...!! :)

Nice babble, but i'm not buying it. Moving on, btw ever think that reflects on you as well, assuming that's true? Which again I disagree with, moving on. Maybe your view on me seeing you twisting things is a relflection of the truth??? LMFAO, k moving on to where I was

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:04 PM

She was making a point by roleplaying it through the view of an elite, sheesh...she isn't literally referring to us as conspiracy nuts...lol calm down. Read my post in section around 14-16 I think, I posted what she meant for people to better understand. She's saying WHAT IF the vaccine isn't harmful at all it's just a trick to get what I will label "resisters" killed off in a future diseases released because the we're tricked into thinking the vaccine was deadly when the elite KNEW they would reject it thus killing them off. That is all she is saying, it was an idea. She is not stating it as a fact. Go back and read the primary post, a few times over. I misunderstood her at first too, thankfully i didn't reply but got directed here at a later time after posting something similar.

Well, Suicidal_martyr, if I may say so, the people have had enough of the "elite" and their shenanigans...and anyone "roleplaying" them, imho, is part of the problem...!! Likewise, you defending such "roleplaying", causes you too, to be part of that same problem...!!

Mysticmolly's logic is fatally flawed...!!

What gives the "elite", Mysticmolly and you the right to "kill off people", simply co's they wish not to accept a blinking vaccine, eh...!?

Then, he/she goes on about the "third world" being "over-populated"...!! So what if it is...? What business do you have with them people choosing to exist in such a reality...?

Listen mate, the "elite" and their "vaccinated sheep" (including their satanic, luciferian or negative energy agenda) can all "fuck-off" back to the planet (or vibrational frequency) from whence they came..!! :mad:

And, leave all us "resisters" and the "over-populated third world" to sort ourselves out, in Truth, Love, Peace, Compassion, Forgiveness & Empathy...qualities, it seems, in the case of the "elite" and the likes of you and Mysticmolly is seriously lacking...!!

Otherwise, if it's the case I really did misunderstand Mysticmolly, then, perhaps it's intentional...co's it STINKS...!! :)

Btw, we're not "roleplaying"...how bout you and Mysticmolly, start acting as if you know the Truth, rather than mimick such fools as the "elite"...!? :confused:

Read your replys, despite any truth that may be in it do you not see your arrogance and sarcasm? have you not noticed that she was misunderstood in the first post of hers? That you continued to throw up in her face that she calls you "conspiracy nuts" what will it take to show she was deliberaly calling anyone a conspiracy nut, she was putting a what if scenario, it was worded wrong in my opinion because I was under the impression she was against us or somethign at first as well.

tusme

06-09-2009, 09:04 PM

Nice babble, but i'm not buying it. Moving on, btw ever think that reflects on you as well, assuming that's true? Which again I disagree with, moving on. Maybe your view on me seeing you twisting things is a relflection of the truth??? LMFAO, k moving on to where I was
:D Hmm, nevermind...!! :D

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:06 PM

Get a grip will you ....

I was only raising a theory,

how many times does this have to be said!!!!

Did u need read this reply to you?

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:11 PM

I couldn't think of any other way to word it but making a point she isn't literally meaning it how she posted in the start. maybe it should of been worded differently. Your a fricking moron if you can't understand, besides nothing is being stated as a fact, it was just a scenario. You can think what you want, your a fake anyway. Doesn't take much to see that. With that said, welcom to my ignore list.

No!! You get a grip...!!

"Killing off people" simply co's they refused to accept he vaccine, is a "crap theory"...imho...!!

Hypothetically speaking, if you had "5 kids"...and ordered them all to "drink poison", because 3 of them resisted that order, you then decided to kill them anyway...notwithstanding, the other 2 at some point in time would be killed by consuming that poison...but somehow, because they do, your let them live...eh!?

Yet, for some "strange" reason, you yourself will not consume that "poison"...!?

Please, get a grip...just what kind of "logic" is that...!? :mad:

May I suggest you "dream up" another "theory", hopefully then, it will be on the side of Truth...

Hmm...!? :(

Sheesh dude, look at how arrogant you are. Nice "debating" there.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by tusme
Well, Suicidal_martyr, if I may say so, the people have had enough of the "elite" and their shenanigans...and anyone "roleplaying" them, imho, is part of the problem...!! Likewise, you defending such "roleplaying", causes you too, to be part of that same problem...!!

Mysticmolly's logic is fatally flawed...!!

What gives the "elite", Mysticmolly and you the right to "kill off people", simply co's they wish not to accept a blinking vaccine, eh...!?

Me - never said anything like that, as it had been stated several times by me that people have misunderstood the primary post by how she worded it

Then, he/she goes on about the "third world" being "over-populated"...!! So what if it is...? What business do you have with them people choosing to exist in such a reality...?

Listen mate, the "elite" and their "vaccinated sheep" (including their satanic, luciferian or negative energy agenda) can all "fuck-off" back to the planet (or vibrational frequency) from whence they came..!!

And, leave all us "resisters" and the "over-populated third world" to sort ourselves out, in Truth, Love, Peace, Compassion, Forgiveness & Empathy...qualities, it seems, in the case of the "elite" and the likes of you and Mysticmolly is seriously lacking...!!

Otherwise, if it's the case I really did misunderstand Mysticmolly, then, perhaps it's intentional...co's it STINKS...!!

Btw, we're not "roleplaying"...how bout you and Mysticmolly, start acting as if you know the Truth, rather than mimick such fools as the "elite"...!?

See all of this is twisted and irrelevant to the point that she was making a WHAT IF SCENARIO

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:16 PM

Nope, just the primary post. The rest of the thread isn't nothing but anger being exchanged, causing people to say just about anything. I'd rather not read the entire thread to be honest. I'm just pointing out the primary post was misunderstood. That's all. Btw, your the one who directed me who from "what my doctor said about the swine flu" because I had typed something similar to what she was meaning.

looky here, heres another point I made about the primary post being misunderstood.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:19 PM

Hi "Ignore_martyr", :)...at the rate you're going, soon you won't have anyone to debate with, on this DI forum...!! Hmm, nice one...!! http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif :D

Btw, of my 2000+ posts, have never felt the need to use the "ignore option"...co's, I appreciate debating people even if it means having to acknowledge I may be wrong...pity, the same can't be said of you, ain't it...!? ;)

well, there we go again twisting things. There is a difference between debating with constructive criticism rather than being arrogant sarcastic and talk the way u do on here towards people. Anyways I hope your getting the point by now, still I am not finished. Read from where I come in TO TO THE END. Lets see who starts with the sarcasm and arrogance.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:20 PM

Oh, that was mainly because they don't like your opinion on vaccines. Sadly I get it thrown in my face how I apparently don't like debates. When there was no debate to began with. It's mostly insults which is why i didn't read the whole thread in the first place because it's really not my problem whether you support vaccines or not, others on the other hand would rather throw in false implication and attack your opinion rather than "debate". I only came here because I was onto something similar to your primary post (not in those words exactly) so I thought I would clarify what you meant. But then I get implications thrown at me as well when I am not even on about whatever they are as far as opposing the vaccine. I oppose it myself. O well, i'll take it as a learning experience. I see a fews true colors now, heh..besides, if it means anything I have signed petitions rejecting the vaccines as well, I even signed one opposing codex

Here i was making the SAME point again

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:21 PM

Hi "Suicidal_martyr"

:confused:

Don't worry about it...!! Welcome to the DI forums...!! ;)

Well, imho, I think you outdone me with the "insults"... :D

Otherwise, apologies, if my initial post (directed at you), seemed as if I was "attacking" you...that was not the intention anyway...!!

I'm not sure what you mean, re, "judge and toss thiings out there on people"...!? :confused:

Hmm, honestly cannot see how I was doing that, when I was simply quoting your's and Mysticmolly's posts, and responding accordingly...nothing wrong with that, is there...!? :( :)

What insults? Only one insulting was you with your sarcasm and arrogance. if I did it was after and in my defense.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:23 PM

:D...perhaps we should put each other "on ignore", co's there seems to be a "them vs us" issue going on now... :D

look at how u go on with the smarts.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:24 PM

seems pretty apparent i was about to get ganged up on til beldazar seemed to show he DOES have some understanding. Which I forgave him and took him off block, although I was still peeking.

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:27 PM

skunksmash

06-09-2009, 09:27 PM

the OP has a point......:(

most of the ppl who will end up taking this vaccine are they're loyal sheep (the sleeping masses shall we say), if these shots were in some way deadly they'd kill off all those who serve them & leave themselves with the 3rd worlders & us unruly lot..?? :rolleyes: it don't make sense...

so its probably a form of tracking rather than a population killer.....

the truth is, these ppl have ''think tanks'' creating possible outcomes 24/7, so every 3 steps we think were ahead, they're playing 12 in front. :mad:

if i think to much about these ''what if's'' it really stats to twist my head..

:)SK

suicidal_martyr

06-09-2009, 09:29 PM

I like how you have a way with twisting things around. Your a complete joke dude. I been reading the post all along. I got no bad blood with you beldazar but this Tusme guy seems to want to keep the issue escalading so i'm in if that's what you want buddy. Look how you twist around my view of your anger as fake LMAO. I said YOU are fake. Not your emotions. And after seeing your little "us vs. them" comment your intentions only tell me your too swelled up with pride to just stfu. Besides, there was no negative agenda as you say. Way to go, keep making yourself look like an idiot.

Hey "Suicidal_martyr",

:D I'm not "twisting" anything...Truth cannot be "fake", can it...!?

Apart from those "angry" emoticons I used (re, this thread), everything else I stated was Truth...got it!? :)

Listen my friend, you've got me "on ignore", so I don't see the point of escalating anything with you...!! And the reason I'm still responding to you now, is co's you, somehow, thought by putting me (and Beldazar) on ignore was a smart or tactical move...this is the DI forum, mate...the Truth shall out...!! :)

Furthermore, taking things personal in a public forum is not a good idea...if you simply entered this debate expressing your difference of opinion to the OP, then, we would not have got to this point...but no, you first had to tell me how I should have interpreted the OP...and then, when you ran into a "brick wall", started insulting and calling people names...!? :(

Lastly, I've not said, you or Mysticmolly have a "negative agenda"...I'm pretty sure I didn't, but, if I did, then I apologise!!

What I did intend to say was, tptb have a "negative agenda"...!!

Otherwise, FYI, I'm more than happy being an "idiot" for Truth...!! ;)

Hmm...!? :(

Regardless if anything as truth you posted, doesn't cover up anything SARCASTIC AND ARROGANT YOU POSTED. Nice twist ONCE AGAIN