How to get rid of conspiracy nuts!!!

[suicidal_martyr]

I'm done. All this is doing is draining me. It's not my problem if you can't see your flaws Tusme, but I only ask you give it a try and try to present your self a little more respectful. I didn't get negative until someone got negative with me first. As you can read in my sig, and do and WILL live up to it.

[suicidal_martyr]

From Tusme - Listen mate, the "elite" and their "vaccinated sheep" (including their satanic, luciferian or negative energy agenda) can all "fuck-off" back to the planet (or vibrational frequency) from whence they came..!!


Look at how you shun the sheep, doesn't it occur to you that they are the victim? Oh, but they can all "fuck off" back to where they came. Look at you... boy o boy.

[suicidal_martyr]

I'm unsubscribing so I can't even be alerted anymore about this thread. I have made my point more than enough. That the first post was misunderstood and YOU get sarcastic and twist crap around and made her look like a terrible person. Shame on you. Seeing your off of ignore now, I imagine I will still come across your post but don't expect any respect from me or backing up. Regardless of how you see me, I am a good person and I don't tolerate injustice and won't hesitate to point it out. You take it how u want.

[beldazar]

I'm unsubscribing so I can't even be alerted anymore about this thread. I have made my point more than enough. That the first post was misunderstood and YOU get sarcastic and twist crap around and made her look like a terrible person. Shame on you. Seeing your off of ignore now, I imagine I will still come across your post but don't expect any respect from me or backing up. Regardless of how you see me, I am a good person and I don't tolerate injustice and won't hesitate to point it out. You take it how u want.

Molly came across like she was making a statement not entering into a debate or possible scenario.
If you notice, she edited her post.
It also makes a difference if you read through the thread.

He's a she by the way.

[suicidal_martyr]

Molly came across like she was making a statement not entering into a debate or possible scenario.
If you notice, she edited her post.
It also makes a difference if you read through the thread.

He's a she by the way.

I did read through it, but your still not getting MY point. I don't care what she or anyone for that matter had said on here. I was strictly here because of the PRIMARY post. Which is the very post by molly in the thread. That was not a scenario? or do you think she deliberatly means it how she types it? In that case I can see why everyones so upset but I saw it as a scenario. So I pointed it out when I joined the thread only to be insulted with arrogance and sarcasm which really wasn't necessary. It would of been approriate for someone to question it rather than assume I was taking sides and for some ungodly reason, FOR the vaccine. Which I am against btw. So I am going to recreate her thread but with words someone can better understand. Because apparently no matter how much I make my point it just isn't getting across and I know it isn't because every response to me does not apply to the point I had even made and if someone did understand what I was saying this would of never become what it is. My very first post in this thread is a better understanding of what mysticmolly was aiming to say but by the way it was worded apparently pissed a lot of people off, minus the fact she is for vaccines. Nothing we can do about that, though. The only reason THAT I came across this scenario was from abovetopsecret forums. Someone said something similar, so I shared it on here, then you directed me to here which led me to assume THE PRIMARY post was the same thing I was typing about. By reading the post, it seems molly has said more than enough that it was a scenario. But no one got it, because they are just pissed she is for vaccines which clouds the judgements on any other points she would make or her primary post for that matter. Oh and yeh yeh...I know I said I was unsubscribing so I couldn't see I am sure someone will use that against me to CREATE an entirely new argument which I am up for, doesn't matter to me but it just seems there is a wide lack of understanding in this thread. I know she edited her post but I can't see what she edited unless it was correcting spelling. I don't see no crime in editing post. I do it too, to correct crappy spelling or add another point as to not create more post only to be labeled a spammer.

[mysticmolly]

the OP has a point......:(

most of the ppl who will end up taking this vaccine are they're loyal sheep (the sleeping masses shall we say), if these shots were in some way deadly they'd kill off all those who serve them & leave themselves with the 3rd worlders & us unruly lot..?? :rolleyes: it don't make sense...



This is exactly what I think ...I think we will find the vaccine is totally harmless, or near to.

Most recently I heard they are doing further trials on kids in Oklahoma ...

So they are not just going nuts and giving it to everyone, they are doing further testing to check if it is safe?

[beldazar]

I did read through it, but your still not getting MY point. I don't care what she or anyone for that matter had said on here. I was strictly here because of the PRIMARY post. Which is the very post by molly in the thread. That was not a scenario? or do you think she deliberatly means it how she types it? In that case I can see why everyones so upset but I saw it as a scenario. So I pointed it out when I joined the thread only to be insulted with arrogance and sarcasm which really wasn't necessary. It would of been approriate for someone to question it rather than assume I was taking sides and for some ungodly reason, FOR the vaccine. Which I am against btw. So I am going to recreate her thread but with words someone can better understand. Because apparently no matter how much I make my point it just isn't getting across and I know it isn't because every response to me does not apply to the point I had even made and if someone did understand what I was saying this would of never become what it is. My very first post in this thread is a better understanding of what mysticmolly was aiming to say but by the way it was worded apparently pissed a lot of people off, minus the fact she is for vaccines. Nothing we can do about that, though. The only reason THAT I came across this scenario was from abovetopsecret forums. Someone said something similar, so I shared it on here, then you directed me to here which led me to assume THE PRIMARY post was the same thing I was typing about. By reading the post, it seems molly has said more than enough that it was a scenario. But no one got it, because they are just pissed she is for vaccines which clouds the judgements on any other points she would make or her primary post for that matter. Oh and yeh yeh...I know I said I was unsubscribing so I couldn't see I am sure someone will use that against me to CREATE an entirely new argument which I am up for, doesn't matter to me but it just seems there is a wide lack of understanding in this thread. I know she edited her post but I can't see what she edited unless it was correcting spelling. I don't see no crime in editing post. I do it too, to correct crappy spelling or add another point as to not create more post only to be labeled a spammer.

That all makes sense.

[mysticmolly]

A lot of people have been speculating about this for a while now.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Hmm yes but I think logical thinking shows that it is probably reasonably safe ...

There could be some other agenda with it but the chances of people dropping dead from the vaccine is slim to none, I would say.

[mysticmolly]

As previously stated, what you're suggesting has already been speculated on here, and also that there may be various different strains of vaccine administered to different people.

Anything's possible.

It boils down to people here following their instinct, trying to do what they think is right,

This is possibly the kicker, what if they give out dangerous doses to some and not to others?

They intend to gift some to the people in the third world????

[mysticmolly]

Not a happy thought, but believing the vaccine to be potentially dangerous/lethal, does not automatically preclude a belief that the man-made virus it's allegedly made to combat is also potentially dangerous/lethal though, does it?

I like this point as well .... people have gotten so upset about the vaccine that they seem to have forgotten that swine flu kills and is getting stronger...

So what if you reject the vaccine because it might have some mild side effect on you and then you die from swine flu, does that make sense???

I am not promoting the vaccine, just asking the question......

[mysticmolly]

This was past advise.....

So far swine flu has proved to be very contagious, but not more deadly than the common flu. However, scientists fear it may combine with avian flu, which is currently very dangerous but hard to pass on.


Two things have changed since then .....

WHO is reporting

Doctors are reporting a severe form of swine flu that goes straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organization said on Friday.

http://thegovmonitor.com/world_news/united_states/who-warns-of-severe-strain-of-swine-flu-2519.html

and I know this to be true because it is effecting people where I live and ....

Swine Flu and Bird Flu have now combined!!!

Rome, 2 Sept. (AKI) - A 35 year-old Italian tourist is one of three people believed to have been infected with A(H1N1) virus, or swine flu, as well as the H5N1 virus, known as avian flu. The patients are recovering in the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Hurghada, said Mohammed Rifai, director general of preventive medicine.

Rifai also spoke of a 28-year-old man who tested positive for both viruses, after arriving at the port of Safaga after a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.3724836800

So it seems likely, that things are about to get a whole lot worse!!!

I have just bumped this to the end as it is important and it got lost in a pile or arguing.

[decim]

molly, the lung infections are not viral they are bacterial.
MRSA Strep Staph etc inducing Pneumonia conditions.

MRSA is widely prevalent now, particularly in Hospitals.

One thing all the dead 'swine flu' victims have in common is that they all died in Hospitals. <---clue

Britain has the dirtiest most unsanitary & infectious Hospitals in the Whole of the known world bar none, that includes such places as the amazon basin, pakistan or botswana.

"Underlying health condition" = news-speak for we killed them in Hospital.

Check out the mortality rates for MRSA & C Diff etc..

'government' figures put the total deaths at over 30,000 in 5 years, we can reliably atest that by their previous 'massaging' of figures that 30,000 will be the low side of politically astute.

The National Hell Service has been crashed on a purpose for the benefit of big fpharmer & private 'healthcare' corporations & conglomerates.

The wholesale importation of 3rd world labour for the NHS was & is part of 'their' plan to kill many birds with some very cheap stones.

Stay Away From Hospitals, unless absolutely, necessary.

[mysticmolly]

molly, the lung infections are not viral they are bacterial.
MRSA Strep Staph etc inducing Pneumonia conditions.

MRSA is widely prevalent now, particularly in Hospitals.

One thing all the dead 'swine flu' victims have in common is that they all died in Hospitals. <---clue




Well there is several things wrong with what you said..

Firstly.... I caught this terrible lung infection and I didn't get it from a hospital, I haven't been near one in ages.

The lung infect a form of swine flu, it is doing the rounds....

Secondly of course people died in the hospital, that is where seriously ill people go to attempt to get better!

[1freethinker]

Hmm yes but I think logical thinking shows that it is probably reasonably safe ...

There could be some other agenda with it but the chances of people dropping dead from the vaccine is slim to none, I would say.

your probly right here. Only about the very next day though..

[decim]

You were in hospital?
How long?

Well there is several things wrong with what you said..

Firstly.... I caught this terrible lung infection and I didn't get it from a hospital, I haven't been near one in ages.

The lung infect a form of swine flu, it is doing the rounds....

Secondly of course people died in the hospital, that is where seriously ill people go to attempt to get better!

[mysticmolly]

You were in hospital?
How long?

No, was very sick but didn't go ... as yet I have not met someone who has gone.

I have met someone who needed steroids and antibiotics but so far that is all but I don't know that many people and only about half of who I do know, have caught this..... but is it swine flu???

That is the problem, they are not testing anybody unless you end up in the ER in hospital, most of us are too scared to even go to the doctors .... if you're still alive and kicking, well attempt to get over it yourself because God forbid, there maybe some worse bug at the doctors office or at the hospital!!!!

Doctors offices and hospitals are the most dangerous places you can visit ...and definitely don't read the magazines!!!

[mysticmolly]

your probly right here. Only about the very next day though..

Of course you would last a lot longer than this

or they would never get the vaccination program even started.

[mysticmolly]

The trouble now of course is, they are having to advertise on the telly,

really heavily to get people to go to the doctors and not to ignore their symptoms!

I think people are now getting really, really ill and not going and deaths will occur from this.

People also think "Oh it's just a flu, I will get over it and are almost dead before they realise....

"Hey it isn't just a flu and shit I think I might die!!!"

If it gets much worse, all hell will break loose...

[armoured_amazon]

The trouble now of course is, they are having to advertise on the telly,

really heavily to get people to go to the doctors and not to ignore their symptoms!

I think people are now getting really, really ill and not going and deaths will occur from this.

People also think "Oh it's just a flu, I will get over it and are almost dead before they realise....

"Hey it isn't just a flu and shit I think I might die!!!"

If it gets much worse, all hell will break loose...

Could you push the vaccine any harder? :rolleyes: My friend is involved in a lawsuit against GSK, of which he has a lot of shares. What he's uncovered re: the so-called 'vaccines' and so-called 'swine/avian/pigs-might-fly-flu' doesn't sit well with him, regardless of profit and loss. I trust his judgement.

[decim]

Swine Flu Deception - YouTube

[mysticmolly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctAG4ignYjM

There is lots of things wrong with that video, for starters this ...

The new strain was initially described as an apparent reassortment of at least four strains of influenza A virus subtype H1N1, including one strain endemic in humans, one endemic in birds, and two endemic in swine. Subsequent analysis suggested it was a reassortment of just two strains, both found in swine.

[tusme]

Hi Mysticmolly,

I dunno what your purpose is, on this DI forum, however, I'm hoping after this you will cease with this ridiculous "theory" of yours...!?

This "swine flu" and "vaccinations", is nothing but typical P-R-S...!!

If they succeed in enforcing their vaccinations upon the masses, then, the next step will be another 911...and "bang", the road is clear for a "home-run", enforcing their "microchip" onto the masses...!!

So, whatever you or I beleieve, regarding this "swine-flu and vaccinations", it is without any doubt, part of the "enslavement programme"...!!

Cheers and good luck to you...!!

[tusme]

Hey Mysticmolly,

Further to your "theory", when the HIV/AIDs virus was created in a lab, in the 70's & 80's, for the specific reason of depopulating Africa or the "third world", the West seemed to be interested in everything (including retroviral drugs), but it's origins...!!

Now, my friend, it's gone full circle...the same negative energy which, "created" the "HIV/AIDs" virus, has now "created" the "swine flu" virus AND now the vaccinations...for the West.

Nice...!? :(

[armoured_amazon]

Hi Mysticmolly,

I dunno what your purpose is, on this DI forum, however, I'm hoping after this you will cease with this ridiculous "theory" of yours...!?

+1

[mysticmolly]

I was only posting an idea..

If we simply think along two lines

eg main stream - the vaccine will be good and prevent swine flu

or the conspiracy view - the vaccine will kill us

Then we are over looking many options and on both accounts we are simply behaving like sheep and following a kind of religion.

Intelligent people want to explore more options and possibilities which is what this thread was meant to be about....

[boots]

I was only posting an idea..

If we simply think along two lines

eg main stream - the vaccine will be good and prevent swine flu

or the conspiracy view - the vaccine will kill us

Then we are over looking many options and on both accounts we are simply behaving like sheep and following a kind of religion.

Intelligent people want to explore more options and possibilities which is what this thread was meant to be about....

I said this before in another thread you started, regarding this. The swine flu has killed 3200 people the common flu kills more than 200,000 people each year.


Then we are over looking many options and on both accounts we are simply behaving like sheep and following a kind of religion.


Is it?? would you not call those that get the swine flu vaccine sheep? because the follow the religion of big Pharma and governments which do the bidding of Big Pharma.


Put about the rumour that the swine flu vaccine is deadly and it should not be taken and let it spread to all of the truther forums.

Then add a special ingredient to the vaccine to protect against a killer virus you intend to release to get rid of all the nuisance people in the world eg in Africa etc and let the conspiracy nuts go down with them!!!!

Problem solved !!!!

The "nuisance" people in the world are US the westerners. We are not scrapping for our survival like third world populations. WE have time on our hands to think that something is not right with our governments and we are productive. WE keep the large corporations going.

You see with "truthers" we have other alternatives to combat infections, such as MMS and Colloidial silver etc.

I think you are a very fearful person mysticmolly.

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[mysticmolly]

Seriously I can't be bothered

I have said lots of time the way they count the deaths for normal flu includes the old and frail who usually get bumped off by the flu ...

Swine flu numbers only include the healthy...

Too much effort is required and I can't be stuffed

Believe what you want!!!

[deem]

Swine flu is s'posed to be everywhere in London, I've to meet anyone whose got it. I sha'n't be getting vaccinated for the simple fact it has mercury in it, never mind any of the other ingredients. And if they try to force it on me, i'll take the option to be man handled kicking and screaming to a detention camp. I will not comply.:D ps if you're havin a sort thru, the one with the babe holding the light is a good avatar.:)

[boots]

Seriously I can't be bothered

I have said lots of time the way they count the deaths for normal flu includes the old and frail who usually get bumped off by the flu ...

Swine flu numbers only include the healthy...

Too much effort is required and I can't be stuffed

Believe what you want!!!


Absolute rubbish. Where in the hell did you get that idea from. All deaths being young old and sick are counted. Same as the common flu

If you put any effort into to GOOGLING then you could talk about it seriously.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Pandemic-flu/Pages/QA.aspx

Just google swine flu deaths healthy or sick

To easy.

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[mysticmolly]

Well I know for a fact in my county, we are only counting the healthy ..but it may not be the case for else where.

Although if they were counting the full numbers you would think the total would be huge.

[boots]

Well I know for a fact in my county, we are only counting the healthy ..but it may not be the case for else where.

Although if they were counting the full numbers you would think the total would be huge.

Really?

Provide the proof.

Google WHO.

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[mysticmolly]

Really?

Provide the proof.

Google WHO.

.

Look ... who gives a flying shit...it isn't even what this thread was about

and like I said, I am sick of it .... I can't be bothered.

[boots]

Look ... who gives a flying shit...it isn't even what this thread was about

and like I said, I am sick of it .... I can't be bothered.

Yes your OP was this.


Put about the rumour that the swine flu vaccine is deadly and it should not be taken and let it spread to all of the truther forums.

Then add a special ingredient to the vaccine to protect against a killer virus you intend to release to get rid of all the nuisance people in the world eg in Africa etc and let the conspiracy nuts go down with them!!!!

Problem solved !!!!

The killer virus IS the Vaccine.

How many have died?? Nothing compared to the common seasonal flu. What the Vaccine will do is infect your body with lots of JUNK that will weaken the immune system and that will kill you.

Would you like me to post what is in these vaccines????


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[tusme]

I was only posting an idea..

If we simply think along two lines

eg main stream - the vaccine will be good and prevent swine flu

or the conspiracy view - the vaccine will kill us

Then we are over looking many options and on both accounts we are simply behaving like sheep and following a kind of religion.

Intelligent people want to explore more options and possibilities which is what this thread was meant to be about....
Hi Mysticmolly,

Hmm, care to explain, how an "intelligent person", such as yourself, thinks its OK to use the DI forum to exploit a typical (ptb) P-R-S situation...!? :confused:

[suicidal_martyr]

Hi Mysticmolly,

Hmm, care to explain, how an "intelligent person", such as yourself, thinks its OK to use the DI forum to exploit a typical (ptb) P-R-S situation...!? :confused:

And the crime commited would be?

[tusme]

And the crime commited would be?
:confused:

[boots]

And the crime commited would be?


Fear..

[suicidal_martyr]

Fear.. Fear is a natural instinct. What's wrong with wondering if the elite have another plan up their sleeve and wanting to talk about it? I mean, "debate", or what little I have seen on this thread other than sarcastic replys. If fear isn't wanted around here, I want you and Tusme to get on the ball because you got a lot of fear based speculation on here to argue people out of.

[kweli]

And the crime commited would be?

Why mention crime? as far as i'm aware fear mongering isn't a crime? if it were, jeez - we wouldn't have enough prisons to contain the guilty would we? *tuts*

[tusme]

Fear is a natural instinct.
"Fear", is an articifial "instinct"...thus, is not natural.

[mysticmolly]

"Fear", is an articifial "instinct"...thus, is not natural.

Excuse me but what about the "fight or flight" instinct?

Fear is the most basic instinct in all animals...

It is there to protect them from harm,

to get them to recognise danger and get out of the way!

[mysticmolly]

Hi Mysticmolly,

Hmm, care to explain, how an "intelligent person", such as yourself, thinks its OK to use the DI forum to exploit a typical (ptb) P-R-S situation...!? :confused:



I was not promoting the vaccine ...

I was putting forward a theory about maybe there is some other agenda.

By the way, I have just had swine flu, like I told you and it is a very nasty virus, you can think all you like about vaccines but that does not stop the virus being nasty and killing healthy people!

A doctor explained vaccines to me the other day, like this...

eg the measles vaccine..

If you get the vaccine, you have a one in 100,000 chance, that the vaccine will kill you,

where as, if you catch measles, you have a one in 10,000 chance that the virus will killing you.

Hence the vaccine is the better option and why it is promoted but they are never claiming that they are totally safe, there is no perfect solution.

[boots]

I was not promoting the vaccine ...

I was putting forward a theory about maybe there is some other agenda.

By the way, I have just had swine flu, like I told you and it is a very nasty virus, you can think all you like about vaccines but that does not stop the virus being nasty and killing healthy people!

A doctor explained vaccines to me the other day, like this...

eg the measles vaccine..

If you get the vaccine, you have a one in 100,000 chance, that the vaccine will kill you,

where as, if you catch measles, you have a one in 10,000 chance that the virus will killing you.

Hence the vaccine is the better option and why it is promoted but they are never claiming that they are totally safe, there is no perfect solution.

LOL and you believe a doctor who gets a kickback for administering vaccines.

Still banging on about it killing healthy people. RUBBISH It's the flu.It has Killed only the UNHEALTHY people.

There you go, your promoting vaccines through fear. The measles kills healthy people does it? There are very few people that HAVEN"T got the measles when they were young. How many billions of people are there in western nations? about 3 billion

Yeah you can pump all this shit into your system.


LIST OF VACCINE FILLERS: Officially administered by design with every vaccine provided to the public -

In addition to the viral and bacterial RNA or DNA that is part of the vaccines, here are the fillers:
aluminum hydroxide
aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate
amphotericin B
animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
betapropiolactone
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde
formalin
gelatin
glycerol
human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
hydrolized gelatin
monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin
neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator
phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
potassium diphosphate
potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B
polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80
porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins
sorbitol
sucrose
thimerosal (mercury)
tri(n)butylphosphate,
VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells

*This data is available via: www.mercola.com
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/03/07/vaccine-ingredients.aspx

These additives are given without public knowledge or consent. Merck, the monster pharmaceutical giant in the US produces the vast majority of vaccine supplies & are protected from prosecution by Federal Statutes imposed under the former Bush administration.

Analysis of vaccine fillers:

1) ALUMINUM (two variants) - directly linked to Alzheimer's Disease

2) AMMONIUM SULFATE - an inorganic chemical compound used a fertilizer and "protein purifier"; known to cause kidney & liver damage, gastrointestinal disfunctions

3) AMPHOTERICIN B - an "antifungal disinfectant", damages the urinary tract, bowels, heart functions

4) RE-CYCLED ANIMAL TISSUE (multiple) - the building blocks of Mad Cow Disease

5) FORMALDEHYDE - used as "a preservative & disinfectant", known to cause cancer, chronic bronchitis, eye irritation when exposed to the body's immune system

6) MSG - now known to cause cancer in humans, also linked to obesity

7) PHENOL - a highly toxic disinfectant dye, attributed to liver, kidney, heart & respiratory damage

8) PHENOXYETHANOL (ANTIFREEZE) - proven to have extreme neurotoxic side effects

9) THIMEROSAL (MERCURY) - a neurotoxin linked to psychological, neurological & immunological problems. Nervous system damage, kidney disease, birth defects, dental problems, mood swings, mental changes, hallucinations, memory loss, nerve damage and inability to concentrate can occur. Symptoms also include tremors, loss of dermal sensitivity, slurred speech and, in rare cases, even death and paralysis. This additive alone was the catalyst for another recent Class Action Lawsuit organized by mothers of children born with Autism & the many related behavioral disorders associated with it. Autism is now occurring at levels never seen before in history, 1 in 67. The average used to be 1 in 20,000.

[mysticmolly]

Yeah, I think most of those are in shampoo and any packet of anything,

look on the back and ever wonder, what the hell is that???

Same deal

ALUMINUM is in your deodorant and toothpaste, if you're stupid enough to use them.

The vaccine probably has less than you absorb in a week from those products.

[tusme]

Hey Mr Boots, :)

Wow!! Thanks for all that info...!! God, I feel sick...!! :mad:

[boots]

Yeah, I think most of those are in shampoo and any packet of anything,

look on the back and ever wonder, what the hell is that???

Same deal

ALUMINUM is in your deodorant and toothpaste, if you're stupid enough to use them.

The vaccine probably has less than you absorb in a week from those products.

So they put this in shampoo's.

animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,

dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde
THIMEROSAL (MERCURY)

Wakey wakey hand off snakey.

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[boots]

Hey Mr Boots, :)

Wow!! Thanks for all that info...!! God, I feel sick...!! :mad:

G'day Mr tusme:)

Long time no hear:D

Wouldn't want ALL that injected straight into your bloodstream and right into your brain and vital organs.

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[tusme]

I was not promoting the vaccine ...

I was putting forward a theory about maybe there is some other agenda.

By the way, I have just had swine flu, like I told you and it is a very nasty virus, you can think all you like about vaccines but that does not stop the virus being nasty and killing healthy people!

A doctor explained vaccines to me the other day, like this...

eg the measles vaccine..

If you get the vaccine, you have a one in 100,000 chance, that the vaccine will kill you,

where as, if you catch measles, you have a one in 10,000 chance that the virus will killing you.

Hence the vaccine is the better option and why it is promoted but they are never claiming that they are totally safe, there is no perfect solution.
Well, from where I am observing your "theory", not only are you "promoting vaccines", to me it seems, you have a vested interest in the "swine flu virus and vaccines"...

I mean, you did say, "intelligent people want to explore more options and possibilities", didn't you...!? Hmm, well then...!?

And, the fact your "theory", "thankfully" (NOT) also includes "Africa and the third world" as the supposed "intended targets", hence, the "West need not worry", is quite interesting, to say the least...!!

And need I say it, it's seems, You Have An Agenda..!!

As for "having the swine flu", well, that does not make you an expert...!!

A junior member of my immediate family developed what seemed to be "swine flu". I've "doctered" her myself, throughout the 3-4 weeks of experiencing it...without so much as even seeking the advice of a doctor...!!

Fortunately and most importantly, however, she overcame it with only a continued dosage of "over the counter" painkillers and sterilizing her environment with an "air and surface" bacteria killing aerosol...

Now, however, her immune system is strong and indeed, most capable of coping with any further exposure to such "lab created" viruses...without the need of a vaccine...!!

And, to top it all, besides, one morning waking with a sore thoat, thankfully, I've been fine throughout...!!

So you see, Mysticmolly, in my experience, refusing the vaccination is unquestionably, a better option...!!

As for your doctor's advice...hmm, well, Boots answered your question quite sufficiently...and of-course, I agree 100%...!!

Otherwise, what if you are actually "that doctor", with a vested interest in "swine flu and vaccines" AND you're right "up the backsides" of the Big Pharma companies...could we expect such a doctor's advice to be any different...!?

Hmm, I'll leave it for you to answer that one...!! :(

[tusme]

G'day Mr tusme:)

Long time no hear:D

Wouldn't want ALL that injected straight into your bloodstream and right into your brain and vital organs.

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:D G'Day Mate...!!

Sorry Boots...a "problem area" of mine, I'm desperately trying to fix...!! :o

Exactly!! It's seem, these people hate the fact we have immune systems, ain't it...!? :(

[boots]

:D G'Day Mate...!!

Sorry Boots...a "problem area" of mine, I'm desperately trying to fix...!! :o

Exactly!! It's seem, these people hate the fact we have immune systems, ain't it...!? :(


Hey mate. I see you in threads but it's real nice that we can yak in a thread now and then.

Yeah if we didnt have an immune system that worked perfectly then the human race would have died out long ago.

Pretty logical if you ask me.

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[tusme]

Hey mate. I see you in threads but it's real nice that we can yak in a thread now and then.

Yeah if we didnt have an immune system that worked perfectly then the human race would have died out long ago.

Pretty logical if you ask me.

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Cheers mate...good seeing you too, fighting the good fight...so valiantly!! :) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Nevermind our Mind's, imho, it's our immune systems they're "waging their war against"...hence, their determination for enforced vaccinations and ultimately, a totally regulated microchipped populace...swines...!! :mad:

[quetzalcoatl]

Put about the rumour that the swine flu vaccine is deadly and it should not be taken and let it spread to all of the truther forums.

Juz thought I'd drop this in here.. haven't really followed the thread, yet the 'H1N1 vaccination' theme does keep cropping up - juz as this thread does.. :)

Would there even ever be enough vaccinations to go round to begin with?? (which in the immediate future there is not) - & if there wasn't would the 'truth community' (in general) perhaps shift stance to where the vaccine is a good thing & now somewhat 'Elitist' being life preserving yet not available to everyone? :confused:

[truthseeker1980]

Cheers mate...good seeing you too, fighting the good fight...so valiantly!! :) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Nevermind our Mind's, imho, it's our immune systems they're "waging their war against"...hence, their determination for enforced vaccinations and ultimately, a totally regulated microchipped populace...swines...!! :mad:

It's agood question to ponder, always question everything to the original poster.

But as tusme says, no vaccine is good, no anti-biotic is good, they are designed to weaken our immune systems. Ask your doctor if they agree with the way everything is now treated not prevented, 60 years ago a doctors jobs was to work out the cause of an illness or allergy, now due to the pharacutical giants running the show, a doctors job is not to prevent or work out what has caused an illness, allergy or infection but to treat it with a pharmacutical.

Before even swine flu surfaced i was against vaccines, so i think you are right to question but the facts point to the opposite. Mind over matter anyway.

My younger brother got swine flu, or probably more than likely just normal flu, as they are not even diagnosing you anymore, just prescribing Tamiflu and telling you to stay away from everyone.

Anyway, he's been on anti-biotics for about 10 years due to his acne, co-incidence he got it?

Or down to the anti-biotics he's been takin buggering up his natural immune system. I think most can guess the answer.

Also conspirtacy nuts? Ermm..... no the only conspiracy nuts are the people who believe the conspiracies written by the media, we question everything and try to come to a conclusion, so really the only conspiracy nuts are the blind people believing Murdoch's empire of media lies.

[quetzalcoatl]

It's agood question to ponder, always question everything to the original poster.

But as tusme says, no vaccine is good, no anti-biotic is good, they are designed to weaken our immune systems. Ask your doctor if they agree with the way everything is now treated not prevented, 60 years ago a doctors jobs was to work out the cause of an illness or allergy, now due to the pharacutical giants running the show, a doctors job is not to prevent or work out what has caused an illness, allergy or infection but to treat it with a pharmacutical.

Before even swine flu surfaced i was against vaccines, so i think you are right to question but the facts point to the opposite. Mind over matter anyway.

My younger brother got swine flu, or probably more than likely just normal flu, as they are not even diagnosing you anymore, just prescribing Tamiflu and telling you to stay away from everyone.

Anyway, he's been on anti-biotics for about 10 years due to his acne, co-incidence he got it?

Or down to the anti-biotics he's been takin buggering up his natural immune system. I think most can guess the answer.

Also conspirtacy nuts? Ermm..... no the only conspiracy nuts are the people who believe the conspiracies written by the media, we question everything and try to come to a conclusion, so really the only conspiracy nuts are the blind people believing Murdoch's empire of media lies.

Dunno bout that - suppose it depends what the additives are :D (if any @ all :confused:).. I do agree there; too much dependence on anti-biotics will be of no benefit to your immune system, which is all we really got when it comes to it. Suppose anything that 'takes over' the job of the immune system could be said to weaken it somewhat.. gotta keep it on its toes, I say!

Can't see the big problem introducing a controlled amount of virus strain (vaccination) into the body allowing a normal functioning immune system to develop anti-bodies, thus 'upgrading' your immunities.

David Icke - Don&#39;t Take The Flu Vaccine! - YouTube

Good advice.

Know I wont be needing it.. & ATM despite other more 'alarming hype' - tis still pretty much the old / frail or people with run down immune systems that were @ most risk.. So for now we have the stats.. which are quite concerning indeed.. if say influenza / H1N1 evolves stronger & more diverse over the next few years or so, to full-blown pandemic levels.. ya kno worst case scenario shit.. it would still be the immune system that has to deal with it.

[mysticmolly]

Still banging on about it killing healthy people. RUBBISH It's the flu.It has Killed only the UNHEALTHY people.



This is a complete load of garbage and I suggest you check your facts because it has killed lots of otherwise healthy people!

Mostly all I see on here is hysteria and over the top carry on.

Also I have absolutely no vested interest in the Swine flu or vaccines and never will have.

[tusme]

All I see on here is hysteria and over the top carry on.
Hmm, like your "dodgy theory", only you can see the "hysteria and over the top carry on", here...!? :p

[mysticmolly]

Hmm, like your "dodgy theory", only you can see the "hysteria and over the top carry on", here...!? :p

By the way it was you, I referring to as being over the top and carrying on....

Most other people on here, have at least been a little restrained.

You don't seem to be able to see anything except your extreme view.

[tusme]

By the way it was you, I referring to as being over the top and carrying on....

Most other people on here, have at least been a little restrained.

You don't seem to be able to see anything except your extreme view.
Pfft, "extreme view"...!? :D

Btw, I know you were referring to me...what did you expect me to do, just accept your "taking the p!ss" out of people who are genuinely concerned and trying to elevate their vibrational consciousness...re, swine flu and vaccines...!? :confused:

People are finally awakening to the shenanigans of tptb and you're effing about with a poxy theory...!?

Listen, my friend, I may be "over the top", but you, have missed the "frequency" completely...!!

Yet now, trying to convince us all, it's us, who's missing it...!?

Hmm...!? :confused:

[boots]

Cheers mate...good seeing you too, fighting the good fight...so valiantly!! :) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Nevermind our Mind's, imho, it's our immune systems they're "waging their war against"...hence, their determination for enforced vaccinations and ultimately, a totally regulated microchipped populace...swines...!! :mad:

Yep, thats what they are doing, they are attacking the immune systems and are going to make a lot of money out of this. Big Pharma makes more money than the petrochemical corporations. Then, like you suggest it's an excuse to bring in mircochipping.

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[boots]

This is a complete load of garbage and I suggest you check your facts because it has killed lots of otherwise healthy people!

Mostly all I see on here is hysteria and over the top carry on.

Also I have absolutely no vested interest in the Swine flu or vaccines and never will have.

Hahah nice one. You haven't checked YOUR facts Molly.They are NOT just counting healthy people. I have provide statistic from WHO which you do not acknowledge.

How many die from seasonal flu. 300.000 per year and from the swine flu about 3500. it's been about 6 to 8 months since this thing has surfaced.

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[mysticmolly]

How many die from seasonal flu. 300.000 per year and from the swine flu about 3500.
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Seeing as there has only been

Worldwide Total: (Various Reliable Sources) 336,094 cases of Swine Flu, in the world so far,

it would be extreme if there was also, that many deaths!

So far there has been 3,676 deaths.

You quote figures that mean nothing, rather than quote what is a fact and what makes sense.

End Of Day Summary for Monday, September 7, 2009 (FluCount.org): During the first week of September, a total of 394 new swine flu deaths have been reported around the world (average of 56.3 deaths per day). This figure represents an increase of 5.6% over the number of deaths reported the week prior. Brazil topped the list for the fifth consecutive week in number of deaths, with 145 new fatalities reported this week - an increase of 24%. The United States (including territories) had the second highest number of deaths, adding 39 more to their count. India came in third this week, with 30 new deaths, for an increase of 29%. Mexico and Venezuela each reported 23 new deaths, while Peru reported 18, Paraguay reported 11, and Australia added 10 more to the tally.

http://www.flucount.org/

[deem]

I was not promoting the vaccine ...

I was putting forward a theory about maybe there is some other agenda.

By the way, I have just had swine flu, like I told you and it is a very nasty virus, you can think all you like about vaccines but that does not stop the virus being nasty and killing healthy people!

A doctor explained vaccines to me the other day, like this...

eg the measles vaccine..

If you get the vaccine, you have a one in 100,000 chance, that the vaccine will kill you,

where as, if you catch measles, you have a one in 10,000 chance that the virus will killing you.

Hence the vaccine is the better option and why it is promoted but they are never claiming that they are totally safe, there is no perfect solution.

The vaccines one in 100,000, sounds better than one in 10,000, until you take into account that one in 10,000 is made substanitly larger by the power of 'IF'. I'm not all that at maths but i know the true number aint one in 10,000. 'If ' could be infinate.

[boots]

Seeing as there has only been

Worldwide Total: (Various Reliable Sources) 336,094 cases of Swine Flu, in the world so far,

it would be extreme if there was also, that many deaths!

So far there has been 3,676 deaths.

You quote figures that mean nothing, rather than quote what is a fact and what makes sense.

End Of Day Summary for Monday, September 7, 2009 (FluCount.org): During the first week of September, a total of 394 new swine flu deaths have been reported around the world (average of 56.3 deaths per day). This figure represents an increase of 5.6% over the number of deaths reported the week prior. Brazil topped the list for the fifth consecutive week in number of deaths, with 145 new fatalities reported this week - an increase of 24%. The United States (including territories) had the second highest number of deaths, adding 39 more to their count. India came in third this week, with 30 new deaths, for an increase of 29%. Mexico and Venezuela each reported 23 new deaths, while Peru reported 18, Paraguay reported 11, and Australia added 10 more to the tally.

http://www.flucount.org/


You quote figures that mean nothing, rather than quote what is a fact and what makes sense.

Which is a lie. 200.000 to 500.00 DIE fromthe common influenza virus each year. Check it out.

All the quotes have been from The World Health Organisation.

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_09_11/en/index.html

Total
Over 277607
At least 3205

As of the 6/ 09/09

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/laboratorysurveillanceupdate/en/index.html
Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 - update 65

Weekly update (Virological surveillance data)

11 September 2009 -- The Global Influenza Surveillance Network (GISN) continues monitoring the global circulation of influenza viruses, including seasonal viruses. Since the beginning of the pandemic in 19 April 2009 to August 29th, a total of 80 countries reported to FluNet. The total number of specimens reported positive for influenza viruses by NIC laboratories was 93,628. Of these, 56,812 (60.7%) were pandemic H1N1, 5429 (5.8%) were seasonal A (H1), 12,476 (13.3%) were A (H3), 15,326 (16.4%) were A (not subtyped) and 3585 (3.8%) were influenza B.

Someones lying ???

Swine flu death rate estimates 'flawed'



18:04 14 July 2009 by Andy Coghlan (http://www.newscientist.com/search?rbauthors=Andy+Coghlan)
For similar stories, visit the Epidemics and Pandemics (http://www.newscientist.com/topic/epidemic) Topic Guide

Estimates of the proportion of people who will die if infected with swine flu (http://www.newscientist.com/special/swine-flu) are flawed, say UK researchers.
At present, the estimate of the death (http://www.newscientist.com/topic/death) rate in the UK and the US is 0.5 per cent, meaning that about five people die for every 1000 people infected. Accurate estimates are needed so that health authorities can best target treatment and vaccination strategies (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327162.800-swine-flu-spread-demands-new-tactics.html).
But a new analysis suggests three main reasons why current estimates may be wide of the mark.


its great when actually do some research.

This fucks your OP.

Put about the rumour that the swine flu vaccine is deadly and it should not be taken and let it spread to all of the truther forums.

Then add a special ingredient to the vaccine to protect against a killer virus you intend to release to get rid of all the nuisance people in the world eg in Africa etc and let the conspiracy nuts go down with them!!!!

Problem solved !!!!



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AFRICA BRACES UP TO COMBAT SWINE-FLU


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Brazzaville, 30 April 2009 – The Africa Regional Office of the World Health Organization (AFRO) has launched a programme to combat the potential spread to Africa of the swine influenza A/H1N1 which, as at 29 April, had been officially reported in nine countries. No cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 have been reported in Africa.
“We have established a crisis management team at the Regional Office in Brazzaville to monitor the situation and to respond if necessary to any swine flu outbreaks. We are also working with countries to bolster their disease surveillance systems and to strengthen their contingency and epidemic preparedness and response plans,” WHO Regional Director for Africa, Dr Luis Sambo, said on Thursday.
He added that Regional Office was also undertaking a strategic pre-positioning of stockpiles of Tamiflu® and Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) throughout the Region as well as mapping laboratory and human resources capability at country and regional levels to enable WHO to support Member States to respond rapidly to any suspected outbreaks.
“Monitoring, early detection and laboratory confirmation of suspected cases as well as rapid response constitute our main focus at this stage,” Dr Sambo added.
As of 18:00 GMT on 29 April 2009, nine countries worldwide had officially reported 148 cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 infection. The United States Government has reported 91 laboratory confirmed human cases, with one death. Mexico has reported 26 confirmed human cases of infection including seven deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (13), Germany (3), Israel (2), New Zealand (3), Spain (4) and the United Kingdom (5).
Meanwhile, based on assessment of all available information and following several expert consultations, Dr Margaret Chan, WHO's Director-General on Wednesday raised the current level of influenza pandemic alert from phase 4 to 5.
She stated that all countries should immediately activate their pandemic preparedness plans. At this stage, effective and essential measures include heightened surveillance, early detection and treatment of cases, and infection control in all health facilities.

WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing flu symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.
Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.
More information on the swine flu situation is available at http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html

[boots]

The virus typically spread via coughing, sneezing or touching contaminated surfaces and then touching the nose or mouth. Symptoms, which could last up to a week, were similar to those of seasonal flu, and may have included fever, sneezes, sore throat, coughs, headache, and muscle or joint pains. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (CDC) noted that although this was a very serious virus, cases worldwide were usually mild, and most hospitalizations and deaths had been of persons that also had underlying conditions such as asthma, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, or a weakened immune system.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic#cite_note-CDC090724-5) As of September 2009 the CDC estimated that 1 million people in the U.S. have been infected with 600 deaths.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic#cite_note-6) As the virus spreads easily between people, through the air or surface contact, those who get the flu are recommended to stay home from school or work and avoid crowds to avoid spreading the infection further. Wearing facial masks is of limited benefit as they are designed for industrial use and do not filter out viral or other biological agents.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic#cite_note-LATimes4-30-09-7)

[boots]

Confirmed deaths
(increase in last 7 days)
source: ECDC - September 11, 2009 3,593 (+278) EU and EFTA 133 (+13) Other European Countries
& Central Asia 0 (+0) Mediterranean & Middle East 85 (+9) Africa 42 (+6) North America 876 (+49) Central America & Caribbean 109 (+9) South America 1,680 (+112) North-East & South Asia 198 (+55) South-East Asia 279 (+17) Australia & Pacific 191 (+8)

[boots]

INFLUENZA STATISTICS

The flu isn’t always thought of as a serious or life-threatening illness. Because of the dangers and complications it can have in older people, children, and people with health problems, the perception of flu severity is changing.
In the U.S., an estimated 25–50 million cases of the flu are currently reported each year — leading to 150,000 hospitalizations and 30,000–40,000 deaths yearly. If these figures were to be estimated incorporating the rest of the world, there would be an average of approximately 1 billion cases of flu, around 3–5 million cases of severe illness, and 300,000–500,000 deaths annually.
Flu-related deaths can result from pneumonia and from exacerbations of cardiopulmonary conditions and other chronic diseases. Deaths of older adults account for more than 90% of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza.

[mysticmolly]

Look Boots, I really don't care ... you will find out for yourself when you catch Swine flu how bad it is

and then you can make up your own mind if you did the right thing or wrong thing,

in rejecting the vaccine. It is up to everyone to make up their own minds.

To decide for themselves, if they wish to take the vaccine or not.

[boots]

Look Boots, I really don't care ... you will find out for yourself when you catch Swine flu how bad it is

and then you can make up your own mind if you did the right thing or wrong thing,

in rejecting the vaccine. It is up to everyone to make up their own minds.

To decide for themselves, if they wish to take the vaccine or not.

I know it gets all a bit much for you.

Dont worry Molly my son has had it already. I've had the flu which laid me up in bed for a week, not much does that to me.

If you have a good immune system and get lot's of natural Vitamin D (sunlight) then the effect are nothing more than a sniffle.

There are heaps of natural alternatives that will kill any virus. Colloidal Silver it the best.

You had a bad time off it and for that I'm sorry to hear, but your are here alive and you didn't have a vaccine.:cool:

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[netta]

My take on this is .... they want to get rid of a huge number of people on this Earth and most of these, on the most wanted list ....are NOT in the West eg....

If they offer you the swine flu vaccine, run down and get your shot because odds are, they are not offering it to Africans!!!!

That's interesting, I have not thought of it in that way. But honestly I don't know what's going on, so I am just waiting to see.

[nihil]

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[shenoma]

I original thought this was going to be entertaining, what a massive let down, once again.:mad:

[mountainwarrior]

op how much mercury have you pumped into your body/brain?

you seem to be having serious trouble with this whole living life thing. not working out so well for ya is it?

that is because you are a victim and all victims attract oppressors.

victims also attract disease into themselves.

For your information op MERCURY is one of the most poisonous substances known. Has an affinity for the brain, gut, liver, bone marrow and kidneys. Minute amounts can cause nerve damage. Symptoms of mercury toxicity are similar to those of autism.

Studies also clearly demonstrates that aluminum found in vaccines can cause neurologic damage

You tell me to pump that shit into me or my kid?

Pumping toxins and poisons into their body is not a good thing to do.

have a nice day.

[shenoma]

op how much mercury have you pumped into your body/brain?

you seem to be having serious trouble with this whole living life thing. not working out so well for ya is it?

that is because you are a victim and all victims attract oppressors.

victims also attract disease into themselves.

For your information op MERCURY is one of the most poisonous substances known. Has an affinity for the brain, gut, liver, bone marrow and kidneys. Minute amounts can cause nerve damage. Symptoms of mercury toxicity are similar to those of autism.

Studies also clearly demonstrates that aluminum found in vaccines can cause neurologic damage

You tell me to pump that shit into me or my kids?

Pumping toxins and poisons into their body is not a good thing to do.

have a nice day.

Who are you talking to?

[beldazar]

Who are you talking to?

The op. Mysticmolly

[shenoma]

The op. Mysticmolly

I'm slow on the uptake sometimes.

[eclecticspirit]

That is just an absurd thing to say, everyone has had flu, do you think some people are lucky enough not to have every had flu!

I have to disagree with this statement, Molly. I have never gotten a flu shot in my life (because I can't stand needles), and you know what? I have never had the flu, only minor colds, and even then they don't happen every year. I'm 43 years old, and interact with the general public constantly on my job. I take herbal remedies (particularly echinacea/goldenseal tincture), and have done so for the last eight years. In that time I have had less incidences of being 'under the weather' than prior to that, when I would buy over-the-counter, synthetically manufactured meds.

On the other hand, every person I know who gets a flu shot comes down with the flu, every single year.

Hmm. Ain't that strange? :cool:

[eclecticspirit]

Well two guesses that is yet another tainted report from the anti vaccine crowd!!!

I had the small pox vaccine, so did everyone in my family, no one caught small pox!!!! or even heard of anybody catching it!

What a load of old dribble. You have to wonder what the agenda is of these anti vaccine crowds .... are they making money?

Are they working for the Illuminati and trying to get a large part of the population not vaccinated so they are sitting ducks and can be eliminated.

I smell a dirty big rat!!!
Are individuals who insist that people get the vaccine working for the Illuminati? I think that is a more apropos question. :cool:;)