Benefits

[rashhead]

As most of you will know the UK is a shambles, managed by over-paid public servant quarter-wits!

Did you see the documentary on BBC2 the other night about Romany Gypsies - who basically emigrate for 5yrs or so to beg, rob and aquire as much as possible so they can return to Romania to build a mansion (and I literally mean a mansion in terms of LA pop-stars - albeit in a Romanian 5hit hole)

The documentary didn't directly cover the UK but I'm sure whilst they were begging / robbing, they also took advantage of the state benefit system (as the documentary stated some 'made' gypsies returned from the UK)

On the benefits front, have you seen 'Benefit Busters' where the UK government pays private companies to get people off the dole?

I really do appreciate some people are unable to work and that there are people who really cannot get a job

However...

Public Cost Saving No. 1
Stop giving money to people who are not interested in working, after assessing they are not suitable / will not try it (which is impossible for government people due to thier ineptitude)

Public Cost Saving No. 2
Stop giving benefits to non-UK residents, who just 'popped in'

Public Cost Saving No. 3
Don't pay private companies to 'make' unemployed people employable, unless Job Centre Plus costs are relatively binned and the people are actually 'employable'

Public Service No. 1
Train UK citizens to do jobs and don't expect employers to do this for the Government. Otherwise provide practical funding support and businesses can do this (cutting out your inept services).

Public Service No. 2
Stop spending money on government business support services and cascade this cash to actual businesses

This country is a shables full of quarter-wits and it will only get worse if employees don't get trained, which is a sad state for my son and daughters!

[jason sands]

Someone should vote this guy in as Head Janitor




Head janitor, get it?

Probably not :p

[rosix]

OP,
your don't understand what 'benefits' are

[ceti]

As most of you will know the UK is a shambles, managed by over-paid public servant quarter-wits!

Did you see the documentary on BBC2 the other night about Romany Gypsies - who basically emigrate for 5yrs or so to beg, rob and aquire as much as possible so they can return to Romania to build a mansion (and I literally mean a mansion in terms of LA pop-stars - albeit in a Romanian 5hit hole)

The documentary didn't directly cover the UK but I'm sure whilst they were begging / robbing, they also took advantage of the state benefit system (as the documentary stated some 'made' gypsies returned from the UK)

On the benefits front, have you seen 'Benefit Busters' where the UK government pays private companies to get people off the dole?

I really do appreciate some people are unable to work and that there are people who really cannot get a job

However...

Public Cost Saving No. 1
Stop giving money to people who are not interested in working, after assessing they are not suitable / will not try it (which is impossible for government people due to thier ineptitude)

Public Cost Saving No. 2
Stop giving benefits to non-UK residents, who just 'popped in'

Public Cost Saving No. 3
Don't pay private companies to 'make' unemployed people employable, unless Job Centre Plus costs are relatively binned and the people are actually 'employable'

Public Service No. 1
Train UK citizens to do jobs and don't expect employers to do this for the Government. Otherwise provide practical funding support and businesses can do this (cutting out your inept services).

Public Service No. 2
Stop spending money on government business support services and cascade this cash to actual businesses

This country is a shables full of quarter-wits and it will only get worse if employees don't get trained, which is a sad state for my son and daughters!

divide and rule immigrants bler bler bler hate someone else instead of the real problem blame them or them dole scum we have jobs hive mind good shop here buy this etc etc.

[ex sheep]

Everybody should be on the dole, so that we can have fun and enjoy our lives like we are supposed to do. Fuck 9 to 5, we are too special for that shit.

[free thinker]

Everybody should be on the dole, so that we can have fun and enjoy our lives like we are supposed to do. Fuck 9 to 5, we are too special for that shit.

:eek::D

[kde_]

How about stop paying into the system that fucks us. We pay for it don't we so who should we blame?

[danster82]

its all true but then it wont happen so you have to take matters into your OWN hands and begin to disengage and disrupt, like the guy on the forum whos challenging his council tax, if everyone starts doing little things like this which takes balls it would soon end of its own accord.

People have this immature idea that everyone can be on the dole, its like they think they know what money is now they have seen it can be printed out of thin air their simple minds conclude why dont they just print enough money for everyone! or everyone can be on the dole!

Yes money can be printed out of thin air but thats not how money works money is still linked to real wealth and energy and the pritning out of thin air is only a method of leeching that wealth, if you dont provide anything back to society then you are a leech just like the international bankers are just on a much smaller scale.

If everyone was on the dole you would starve to death, have no electricity or heating running to your house the water would be rancid the front of your house would be a huge rubbish tip and you would be dead unless you find a rat to cook and eat.

So dont be so stupid as to imagine you are not being supplied for by other peoples real energy, all the leeches on this forum make all sorts of excuses as to validate their existence which an ego is forced to do because otherwise everything it thinks it is would die, you need to believe that your position is worthy the truth is you are not, your not needed the world woulndt miss you if you died. The least a leech can do is admit ok im a leech probably followed by some ego reasoning like "and im happy to be one to!" but at least thats a start.

[beldazar]

Everybody should be on the dole, so that we can have fun and enjoy our lives like we are supposed to do. Fuck 9 to 5, we are too special for that shit.

Rock on ex-sheep, too bloody right! :D

[ex sheep]

It's all programming right from school, getting educated for the system, (now I know why I rebelled at school)
and what happens after school, more education to bribe you into accepting the system even more.
And then you have the biggest slave system of all WORK
Then pay ALL your hard earned work in TAXES.
Then take out a huge loan to put a roof over your head. FFS.

We were never designed for this slave society.

We all need to wake the fuck up.
http://img.chefkoch.de/img/smileys/motzki.gif

[armoured_amazon]

divide and rule immigrants bler bler bler hate someone else instead of the real problem blame them or them dole scum we have jobs hive mind good shop here buy this etc etc.

Lmao

Everybody should be on the dole, so that we can have fun and enjoy our lives like we are supposed to do. Fuck 9 to 5, we are too special for that shit.

Hehehe, I agree! Those that want to be drones can sit in their boxes, doing their repetitive grind. I have no problem with being freeeee to beeeee all day :) We have one (human) life! I don't want to waste it, being a corporate slave.

[dlb2007]

"The Masters make the rules for the wise men and the fools" - Bob Dylan

the system is setup so that the majority of people slave away in order to keep the few in the lifestyle they are accustomed.

There is no difference between a man on the dole and the queen, except one is given a council house the other a palace, one is given £60 a week the other is given a lot more per week but both are paid for by the system.

The Queen is no better then anyone else but someone in her family had the bright idea to spread the lie that his or her family are somehow better than the rest of us, well if the system can give her a big house cars armies etc then surely the fools in the workforce dont mind giving a few others councils houses rent free and a few quid to live.

[ex sheep]

- Bob Dylan

the system is setup so that the majority of people slave away in order to keep the few in the lifestyle they are accustomed.

There is no difference between a man on the dole and the queen, except one is given a council house the other a palace, one is given £60 a week the other is given a lot more per week but both are paid for by the system.

The Queen is no better then anyone else but someone in her family had the bright idea to spread the lie that his or her family are somehow better than the rest of us, well if the system can give her a big house cars armies etc then surely the fools in the workforce dont mind giving a few others councils houses rent free and a few quid to live.

This ^^^^^^ cannot be beaten
Quote of the week :)

[dlb2007]

You dont want to be on the dole, oh its for loosers, sad pathetic idiots who have not got the mental capacity to be able to pass an interview, you have so much more about you, you have the inteligence to be able to be better than this, you have the ability to stack shelves, to drive a fork lift, to spend you lifetime working and resting to start work again, you are inteligent enough to have the honor of being our slave.....part of our glorious workforce those on the dole are just idiots, now go and spend £300,000 of money you dont have (we will lend you it good little slave) on that house over there so you can have the joys of being a slave for the rest of your life, ok we have given these people on the dole a house to live in for free and given them rate rebate but look at least you can say your being a slave oh sorry i mean at least you can say you go to work to pay for your house...cos there is so much more honor in that!!!! Now here lend a few more quid to go and get a Car

[djhooker]

i work for jobcentreplus and i can tell you now, i'd rather be on the dole! and then i can concentrate on doing the the things I want to, like making music.

[curtaincat]

- Bob Dylan

the system is setup so that the majority of people slave away in order to keep the few in the lifestyle they are accustomed.

There is no difference between a man on the dole and the queen, except one is given a council house the other a palace, one is given £60 a week the other is given a lot more per week but both are paid for by the system.

The Queen is no better then anyone else but someone in her family had the bright idea to spread the lie that his or her family are somehow better than the rest of us, well if the system can give her a big house cars armies etc then surely the fools in the workforce dont mind giving a few others councils houses rent free and a few quid to live.

yes, this is the best quote ever!!! in fact, even more exclamation points are needed !!!!!!!!!!!!

i read this book by jilly cooper many years ago, and somehow lost it. now it costs too much on amazon.

the only diff between the rich and the poor is money. the people in between are the ones being used.

the rich just use slaves to clean their houses.. the poor just say, fuck it, 'what's a little bit of dust'
the inbetweens spend their lives cleaning,working their guts out, trying to be yuppies, get up the ladder and all that crap.
well, if they cant wake up to the fact that they are equal .. sigh... just wake the fuck up, lol.

here is the link to an old jilly cooper book called Class... it is about the class system and describes exactly what my quoted poster said. ( not that i read her books, but this one was brilliant. i wish i still had it.) the author of Adrian Mole also had good stuff about this class system crap, written if a humour way. .. always gotta read between the lines, as the old saying goes.

http://www.lovereading.co.uk/book/9780552146623/isbn/Class-by-Jilly-Cooper.html

dlb2007, i agree with ex-sheep, Quote of the Week :)

[armoured_amazon]

i work for jobcentreplus and i can tell you now, i'd rather be on the dole! and then i can concentrate on doing the the things I want to, like making music.

Exactly. A life half-lived is a life wasted. I think our experience on the planet ought to be doing the things that bring us greatest pleasure and help us evolve. :)

[squemby]

As most of you will know the UK is a shambles, managed by over-paid public servant quarter-wits!

Did you see the documentary on BBC2 the other night about Romany Gypsies - who basically emigrate for 5yrs or so to beg, rob and aquire as much as possible so they can return to Romania to build a mansion (and I literally mean a mansion in terms of LA pop-stars - albeit in a Romanian 5hit hole)

The documentary didn't directly cover the UK but I'm sure whilst they were begging / robbing, they also took advantage of the state benefit system (as the documentary stated some 'made' gypsies returned from the UK)

On the benefits front, have you seen 'Benefit Busters' where the UK government pays private companies to get people off the dole?

I really do appreciate some people are unable to work and that there are people who really cannot get a job

However...

Public Cost Saving No. 1
Stop giving money to people who are not interested in working, after assessing they are not suitable / will not try it (which is impossible for government people due to thier ineptitude)

Public Cost Saving No. 2
Stop giving benefits to non-UK residents, who just 'popped in'

Public Cost Saving No. 3
Don't pay private companies to 'make' unemployed people employable, unless Job Centre Plus costs are relatively binned and the people are actually 'employable'

Public Service No. 1
Train UK citizens to do jobs and don't expect employers to do this for the Government. Otherwise provide practical funding support and businesses can do this (cutting out your inept services).

Public Service No. 2
Stop spending money on government business support services and cascade this cash to actual businesses

This country is a shables full of quarter-wits and it will only get worse if employees don't get trained, which is a sad state for my son and daughters!


Public saving cost no 1 -

Peoples benefits ARE stopped once they reject the offer of work or work experience placements or work trials. If someone fails to turn up to their training course like the place on 'Benefit Busters' then they are kicked off the course and their benefits are stopped and they have to go back and re-apply for jobseekers allowance which may or may not be granted.

Public saving cost no 2 -

Yeah because refugees fleeing for their lives are just 'popping in'. I deal with people on a day to day basis that NEED to come to this country to avoid being chopped up by the next village down the street - the stories I have heard from some young people would disturb you. And lets forget this idea of foreigners being too lazy to work and spongeing benefits. Proportionally, British people are the laziest and most expensive people in Britain to 'look after' because of unwillingness to stand on their own two feet, the Asian community espescially are the hardest working people in the country based on how many hours they put in per week - fact...look it up.

Public saving cost no 3 -

I dont actually understand this statement. It is so incoherent and contradictory. But what I will say is that I think the use of private companies is a removal of responsability from the Government. Its embarrassing, for a government party called 'Labour' you would think that they know a thing or two about employment but instead they get unvetted comanies to sort out a problem they started. And finally - the main problem with young people in unemployment is that they are complete comodity zombies and they can rarely see things in the larger scheme i.e. they dont know that the employment thing is just a game and they expect results immediately with VERY LITTLE effort. In saying this i also think that young people in general - are eternally met with intolerance by the older community and fear by the very young and the elderly and this must stop. We constantly denounce young people for their shortcomings but never give them empowerment to take things on themselves. We make them dependant in school, not just for financial dependance in later life, but rather we give them a mind set of dependancy that they require other people to do things for them - like call for train times or book a doctors appointment for example.

Public service no 1 -

The government pay employers £60 per week for 6 months and £750 for external training if they take on an employee through the 'new deal' program. It encourages employers to recruit and further their employees skills.


Public Service no 2 -

WHAT!!!! you just said in ps no 1 that you wanted the Govt to provide 'practical funding support for business'!?!?!?

I tell you what your kids might benefit from though Sir. Let them know that if we ALL stop working even just for one or two days then this whole thing would fall apart and there would be no such thing as wage slavery in the first place. We are all slaves, but the meaning of the word 'we' means everyone regardless of how good a suntan they have and regardless of what depressing corner of the globe they originate from. Your kids will definately benefit from knowing that we are all little sufferers but have an option - to play this game the best we can i.e. learn, trust nothing the bigger boys tell us, work our way into some kind of freedom through having a few quid in our pocket for fun. But that is all it is, money for some fun. The big prize comes when you realise that the government is dependent on YOU and then you decide that they dont deserve anything and you just disgard it like the garbage it is.

PEACE!

[bendoon]

How about stop paying into the system that fucks us. We pay for it don't we so who should we blame?

When the system collapses and millions have starved to death and armed gangs are roaming the streets, your sister has been raped and your mother murdered for a cigarette you will realise the idiocy of your comments.

Sorry to pick on you but my remarks apply equally to the other dimwits who have posted similar ideas.

[unusual_suspect]

i work for jobcentreplus and i can tell you now, i'd rather be on the dole! and then i can concentrate on doing the the things I want to, like making music.

You say that, but as soon as you want to claim benefits you have to agree to the state poking about through your bank statements etc, I personally find this very demeaning and I would rather go and earn my money and stay the funk away from the job center or housing benefits office and not suffer that indignation.

I am starting up my freelancing stuff and all that and I am working all the hours god sends, to be honest, if I end up paying taxes and earning an honest living while others do nothing more than ponce about taking handouts like children and accuse the likes of me being a sheeple while I work my ass of then yes, I think they should get of their lazy behinds and work for their money.

In a tribal society that sort of attitude wouldn't be tolerated for long. can you imagine someone from a tribe saying "right, you lot go off and find food and cook, clean, keep the huts in good condition and all that and I'll just do whatever I want and contribute nothing", it's a just a selfish and irresponsible attitude.

[yozhik]

the only diff between the rich and the poor is money.

Given that "money" doesn't exist; it is a fiction ... and what we think is "money" is just worthless pieces of paper, backed by nothing of substance, i.e it is nothing real ... then there is "nothing" separating the rich from the poor other than the illusion we have been taught to see and believe in.

[unusual_suspect]

Given that "money" doesn't exist; it is a fiction ... and what we think is "money" is just worthless pieces of paper, backed by nothing of substance, i.e it is nothing real ... then there is "nothing" separating the rich from the poor other than the illusion we have been taught to see and believe in.

While that is true, money is a means to do, money buys better quality food, private health care and other perks - it can also buy freedom, peace of mind and timwe. Being skint all the time and worring about money is extremely stressful and is no fun. If got lucky and landed a really well paying job tomorrow I have to admit I would say yes please :D

[armoured_amazon]

You say that, but as soon as you want to claim benefits you have to agree to the state poking about through your bank statements etc, I personally find this very demeaning and I would rather go and earn my money and stay the funk away from the job center or housing benefits office and not suffer that indignation.

Yeah, that's the problem. When I have made a claim in the past, they say, "well, what were you doing for this period?" and they find it hard to believe that I would prefer to hold out with next to no money for as long as possible, than going straight to sign on as soon as being out of work. Now I've learned to swallow my pride and take what I'm entitled to when I'm entitled to it.

In a tribal society that sort of attitude wouldn't be tolerated for long. can you imagine someone from a tribe saying "right, you lot go off and find food and cook, clean, keep the huts in good condition and all that and I'll just do whatever I want and contribute nothing", it's a just a selfish and irresponsible attitude.

Well, I would imagine a tribal society wouldn't use money.

[bornfree]

Cost Saving Number 1) reduce government by 90% including all those final salary pension schemes that eat up 1/3rd of council tax locally & is 1 whole year of GDP nationally and ban all forms of quangos.

Cost saving Number 2) not required due to number 1

[unusual_suspect]

Well, I would imagine a tribal society wouldn't use money.

No but the principal is the same, they are still working. If I lived in a tribe and was spending hours of my day gathering food I would feel pretty sore about sharing it with a person who decided they would rather just do their own thing and let everyone else do all the work.

I'm not saying that I agree with the tax etc, but the point I am trying to make is that all adults have to work in some capacity in a society.

[armoured_amazon]

No but the principal is the same, they are still working. If I lived in a tribe and was spending hours of my day gathering food I would feel pretty sore about sharing it with a person who decided they would rather just do their own thing and let everyone else do all the work.

I'm not saying that I agree with the tax etc, but the point I am trying to make is that all adults have to work in some capacity in a society.

Yeah, but I think people who don't want to work in the financial sense can still contribute in other ways. :)

People who sit on their ass, drinking Strong Brew and busting out kids into a crappy home, I don't go for that, ha.

[unusual_suspect]

Yeah, but I think people who don't want to work in the financial sense can still contribute in other ways. :)

People who sit on their ass, drinking Strong Brew and busting out kids into a crappy home, I don't go for that, ha.

That is exactly what I mean :)

[armoured_amazon]

That is exactly what I mean :)

Oops, I think it's called Special Brew. :o

[unusual_suspect]

Oops, I think it's called Special Brew. :o

I think it's called Satan in a can! :)

[armoured_amazon]

I think it's called Satan in a can! :)

Hehehe :D

[yozhik]

While that is true, money is a means to do, money buys better quality food, private health care and other perks - it can also buy freedom, peace of mind and timwe. Being skint all the time and worring about money is extremely stressful and is no fun. If got lucky and landed a really well paying job tomorrow I have to admit I would say yes please :D

Some of the people with the least freedom, are those chained to a desk in a well paid job, striving to keep the hamster wheel turning at a faster and faster rate. That's not "freedom".

Some of the people with the most freedom are those who have thrown away the shackles of material "wealth" and have unlocked the inhibitions and restrictions of a mind ensnared in a paradigm of possessions = status.

[unusual_suspect]

Some of the people with the least freedom, are those chained to a desk in a well paid job, striving to keep the hamster wheel turning at a faster and faster rate. That's not "freedom".

Some of the people with the most freedom are those who have thrown away the shackles of material "wealth" and have unlocked the inhibitions and restrictions of a mind ensnared in a paradigm of possessions = status.

That's true, I was thinking more along the lines of those who make some money and can then go travelling, or set up their own business etc etc

[kde_]

When the system collapses and millions have starved to death and armed gangs are roaming the streets, your sister has been raped and your mother murdered for a cigarette you will realise the idiocy of your comments.

Sorry to pick on you but my remarks apply equally to the other dimwits who have posted similar ideas.

Your welcome :) but if the system collapses it won't be my fault. Why should the money I work hard for be wasted by the Government, or used to make my life worse? Why should I pay for bombs to kill people etc, you see my point. Why should I pay for that.

I'm not apposed to paying for health care, fire service and stuff like that. But 1.5 trillion to buy up bad debt for failing banks, fuck that.

[itsallinus]

I have just been to a 'back to work interview'. I was almost immediately informed that the government are "cracking down on job seeker's".

I must sign on every week.

I must present a much more detailed account of how I have been looking for work and apply for at least three jobs per week.

This account will be taken upstairs and the employers will be contacted while you wait to check you have applied and that they have received your application.

I must begin community service in order to get my £39 per week (They have reduced it from £64pw for child maintenance which I have no problem with except I do not have enough to buy food for any more than 3 days per week).

I must be available and willing to work 7 days a week even though this means not being able to see my children at weekends (and I can't see them during the week).


Now, I would be more than happy to work and for the sake of being able to provide my self and my kids with a better life I certainly want to, however there are next to no jobs round this way and I don't drive which makes it more difficult. I have been a full-time dad for the past four years which also makes it more difficult for me to find an employer. I refuse to do community service (like a criminal) for a fascist dictatorship, and certainly not for £39 a week as slave labour.

Sooooooo.. who wants to buy some weed?!! :D




(Joke, I don't grow or sell... for now anyway).

[citroen999]

Everybody should be on the dole, so that we can have fun and enjoy our lives like we are supposed to do. Fuck 9 to 5, we are too special for that shit.

couldnt agree more and i realised this sometime ago...

birth - 4 years = at home with parents

4yrs - 16yrs = school - a government system that conditions you and gives you the basic skills to go into an employment system

16yrs - 65yrs = employment - a goverment system that will keep you apart from your family for long hours per day doing a task that will be tedious and unrewarding.

65yrs = retirement - well done you have now completed the program we set out for you from the age of 4 yrs and are now not as productive as you once was, we hope you have saved some money on the way as we dont give a fuck about you, you are now on your own.. goodbye

[curtaincat]

I have just been to a 'back to work interview'. I was almost immediately informed that the government are "cracking down on job seeker's".

I must sign on every week.

I must present a much more detailed account of how I have been looking for work and apply for at least three jobs per week.

This account will be taken upstairs and the employers will be contacted while you wait to check you have applied and that they have received your application.

I must begin community service in order to get my £39 per week (They have reduced it from £64pw for child maintenance which I have no problem with except I do not have enough to buy food for any more than 3 days per week).

I must be available and willing to work 7 days a week even though this means not being able to see my children at weekends (and I can't see them during the week).


Now, I would be more than happy to work and for the sake of being able to provide my self and my kids with a better life I certainly want to, however there are next to no jobs round this way and I don't drive which makes it more difficult. I have been a full-time dad for the past four years which also makes it more difficult for me to find an employer. I refuse to do community service (like a criminal) for a fascist dictatorship, and certainly not for £39 a week as slave labour.

Sooooooo.. who wants to buy some weed?!! :D




(Joke, I don't grow or sell... for now anyway).

hi dear itsallinus,

seems to me you need to get some advice from steppewar on how to deal with this crap that it happening.

[itsallinus]

hi dear itsallinus,

seems to me you need to get some advice from steppewar on how to deal with this crap that it happening.

I was thinking just that on the way home :) I wonder how he'll tackle these changes...

[curtaincat]

I was thinking just that on the way home :) I wonder how he'll tackle these changes...

Except for community service, just go through the motions. go to online job places and apply for ten jobs or whatever, which you wont be able to get since there are 700 people applying for each one. and the person with the car will get the job.
I doubt "upstairs" will be bothered to check every single one, but do it anyways, they will be outside having a smoke, and making you sweat, they are meanies.:(

They will force you to apply for jobs that need a car, just apply for them, but you wont get it without a car.

get some advice from stepp.

and dont worry, be happy :)

[itsallinus]

Except for community service, just go through the motions. go to online job places and apply for ten jobs or whatever, which you wont be able to get since there are 700 people applying for each one. and the person with the car will get the job.
I doubt "upstairs" will be bothered to check every single one, but do it anyways, they will be outside having a smoke, and making you sweat, they are meanies.:(

They will force you to apply for jobs that need a car, just apply for them, but you wont get it without a car.

get some advice from stepp.

and dont worry, be happy :)

Thank you, I shall take you good advice. The guy who interviewed me was not only new but a real pompous twat btw.:)

[eternal_spirit]

If you've been claiming JSA for 18 months and are over 25 you will have to go onto New deal. Within weeks of being bored to death at a training centre (job club type place) You'll probably then have to do some work at a work placement. You'll do a full weeks work and maybe get an extra £20 a week for the next 6 months.

If you get taken on at the end of the training. And the job pays minimum wage (or find another job that's minmum wage) then you'll get tax credits/breaks which will take you weekly wage up to think it's £235 a week.
Not sure if you get any extra for child allowance (per child)

Although if you are a carer look after family there maybe other ways of claiming benefits because someone is reliant on you (you'll have to find out yourself)

Originally Posted by itsallinus http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058314186#post1058314186)
I have just been to a 'back to work interview'. I was almost immediately informed that the government are "cracking down on job seeker's".

I must sign on every week.

I must present a much more detailed account of how I have been looking for work and apply for at least three jobs per week.
I sailed through that was a breeze. (but stressful at the time) Hopefully you'll find they are not as strict or hard on you, because they know there are so few jobs about. And say you're doing your best.
If they look through the jobs on the computer they will probably print some out and say here try for these.


When they ask what have you done to find work? Think of people (friends family) you know who have jobs, and say that you've asked if there's any vacancies.
Also you do internet job searches.
You've asked local farmers, shops, pubs etc for work. :)

If it all gets too much, the only other option is to make a claim for ESA, but you'll need a sick note from your doctor

[itsallinus]

Thanks ES, I feel a little more at ease now.

[snakehips33]

The problem with the benefits system here are it is basically shite. We are given the lowest unemployment benefit in western europe. In France or Holland if you lose your job you are paid 90% of your wage for the first year out of work and this reduces the longer you are on benefits. We are also the most taxed country in Europe so it makes no sense that we only receive £65 per week. The system makes it difficult. I have a lot of casual work on and have no problem not receiving benefits when i'm working. Now some weeks i have no work but if i pick up a few days work one week rather than just not being paid benefits that week i have to sign off and put back in a new claim when my work is finished, even though i know i'm only going to be working for a few days. I then have to go through the whole process of signing on again, missing the first 3 days of the claim. Of course i think fuck why should i go through all this shit.

[polveirbecker]

Public Cost Saving No. 1
Stop giving money to people who are not interested in working, after assessing they are not suitable / will not try it (which is impossible for government people due to thier ineptitude)


Who are these people who don’t want to work can I meet them?

Ok we have some on this forum who treat been on the dole as some morality crusade that did inspire my latest blog to an extent. However you go into these A4e centres then you’ll find that most people in here generally want a job. Ok you get the odd bad apple who wants to spend decades on the dole but I’ve never met one of these in person - is it some kind of myth?

At the moment I’m on incapacity and I’ll finally admit it that its just a small improvement from been on the job seekers but its still hell. I can’t apply for a job now because I’ll be committing fraud. Its not that I don’t want a job its that I don’t want to end up in places like this -

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I did end up in BEST and it was just absolutely mind numbering. However I didn’t come across a single person in they who openly admitted he didn’t want a job. However some officers in these places have come across people who have been in they system for ten years or more. However this is a rarity.

To really conclude this off a lot of people want to get a job or earn a living but just don’t know how to go about it. For example I’m not in too good position at the moment but I’m sure I’ll offer a lot to a work place. Just getting they isn’t it?

[armoured_amazon]

Urgh, those shitheads are trying to stop my benefits, saying I didn't attend an interview. I wrote on the reply slip "What fucking interview" or words to that effect. I also wrote that considering I am the only one responsible for my jobsearch, as their 'advisors' can barely type, let alone find me work, they have got a CHEEK calling me a liar. If the job they allege I was invited to interview for existed, I would have gone; it's local and full-time, and would have suited me perfectly. I also added how I am quite aware this is an often-employed ruse of theirs to keep money in their coffers. I'm freakin' pissed!!!

[icke_is_right]

I am starting up my freelancing stuff and all that and I am working all the hours god sends, to be honest, if I end up paying taxes and earning an honest living while others do nothing more than ponce about taking handouts like children and accuse the likes of me being a sheeple while I work my ass of then yes, I think they should get of their lazy behinds and work for their money.



Quoted below, repeat post.

[icke_is_right]

I am starting up my freelancing stuff and all that and I am working all the hours god sends, to be honest, if I end up paying taxes and earning an honest living while others do nothing more than ponce about taking handouts like children and accuse the likes of me being a sheeple while I work my ass of then yes, I think they should get of their lazy behinds and work for their money.



There must be loads of ways to avoid tax by doing things as a 'Company'. Companies get to depreciate their assets eg A new computer used to be able to be written off over 18 months against tax. So therefore, run loads of shit through the company and depreciate it each year. I think that is how it works.

[boeing727]

However I didn’t come across a single person in they who openly admitted he didn’t want a job.

Come on I am sure there are enough of them out there.

I don't really want it allthough I will do it if I have to.

Around Job Centres and places involved with this sort of thing these people will play the illusion that they are soo keen but just can't find a job. However the real truth is the exact oposite polarity. Its not hard to play the illusion either. After a while its easy to fine tune the illusion so all those who pressure you seriously think you're keen

As I said I would take one if I needed to but I don't lust after working. and there are many reasons why people who don't really want it would do it. Some of these are (severe lack of money, shutting your family up, too much heat from the job centre or similar set up etc etc).

Many people in the conspiracy research scene (me included) no longer have the desire to chase after work as our focus is research and spiritual persuits. Many in this category are not attatched to money and as long as they can live and have a tiny bit left over for something nice that does them just fine. They do not lust after the latest 12 inch plasma TV, fast car, nice house yada yada yada. I'm sure you get the picture by now.

[tau ceti]

Urgh, those shitheads are trying to stop my benefits, saying I didn't attend an interview. I wrote on the reply slip "What fucking interview" or words to that effect. I also wrote that considering I am the only one responsible for my jobsearch, as their 'advisors' can barely type, let alone find me work, they have got a CHEEK calling me a liar. If the job they allege I was invited to interview for existed, I would have gone; it's local and full-time, and would have suited me perfectly. I also added how I am quite aware this is an often-employed ruse of theirs to keep money in their coffers. I'm freakin' pissed!!!

Seems to me part of their remit is to piss people off and make life more difficult than it already is.

[andyh]

We are also the most taxed country in Europe

Not quite true :)

That said, the UK does indeed have a terrible benefit payout.
65 quid a week will not cover costs...God help you if you have a family too.
The funny thing is that the UK also has working families tax credits which are there to top up low wages for families to bring them to a "living wage" yet if they lose their jobs they have to cope with a lot less and the family credit stops....lol.
Yet somehow immigrants seem to get huge sums of money from the same system according to the daily hate mail lol.

I learnt long ago that the only solution to all the crap going on in the UK is to use the same rights the rest of the EU immigrants have and move the hell out.

[andyh]

There must be loads of ways to avoid tax by doing things as a 'Company'. Companies get to depreciate their assets eg A new computer used to be able to be written off over 18 months against tax. So therefore, run loads of shit through the company and depreciate it each year. I think that is how it works.

Correctamundo :)

[armoured_amazon]

Seems to me part of their remit is to piss people off and make life more difficult than it already is.

Urgh, totally. I even said as much in the letter. They suck!

Not quite true :)

That said, the UK does indeed have a terrible benefit payout.
65 quid a week will not cover costs...God help you if you have a family too.
The funny thing is that the UK also has working families tax credits which are there to top up low wages for families to bring them to a "living wage" yet if they lose their jobs they have to cope with a lot less and the family credit stops....lol.
Yet somehow immigrants seem to get huge sums of money from the same system according to the daily hate mail lol.

I learnt long ago that the only solution to all the crap going on in the UK is to use the same rights the rest of the EU immigrants have and move the hell out.

I can't wait to move away! I'm working on it! Even if it's just for summer seasons :)

[d9d9d9]

When the system collapses and millions have starved to death and armed gangs are roaming the streets, your sister has been raped and your mother murdered for a cigarette you will realise the idiocy of your comments.

Sorry to pick on you but my remarks apply equally to the other dimwits who have posted similar ideas.

Thus spoke Bandoon, The King of the Dimwits.... in the year of our Lord 2010 .

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[andyh]

Thus spoke Bandoon, The King of the Dimwits.... in the year of our Lord 2010 .

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6702/1283380919788.jpg

lmfao!!

[killuminatiist]

Bastards got me going up there every week now to sign, I guess this is to check that your not working? or to make it harder for you if you are...Which im not, I get there to sign on the thursday and the dude tells me I have a interview tommorow on the friday? what kind of notice is this I didnt receive no letter or anything, he said it like I hadnt made plans already, and I had.

Needless to say I didnt go to the interview, im not jumping because they say so, atleast give me a days notice, im getting sick of it though, im applying for every other job on websites and getting nothing back, then when I get to the jobcentre they do me a job search and print off jobs ive already applied for, I tell them this and they look at me like im lying "so how did you apply for this job?" ermmmm off your website maybe?

I go to job agencys to sign up and they want a 5!!!! year reference, ive not even got a 2 year reference let alone 5, and its not like ive not worked, because ive worked for long but the company was dodging tax, who am I to complain im getting paid, but now its messed me up in the long run, anybody got any tips about this 5 year reference? or what I can say to them so they dont tell me no we dont accept you kind, so to speak.

Im sick of the stuck up people at the jobcentre aswell looking down on me just because there sitting behind a desk in a job, stereotyping me because I got a hood on, dont get me wrong though there is some decent people who work there, but there are others who are the total opposite,I actually want a job and I am trying just nothing seems to be going my way on that front, I no whats next, they will put me on courses, its not that I dont want to go on a course its the fact I NEED a job and a course is just going to hold me back, anyone got any advice for me?

[armoured_amazon]

Bastards got me going up there every week now to sign, I guess this is to check that your not working? or to make it harder for you if you are...Which im not, I get there to sign on the thursday and the dude tells me I have a interview tommorow on the friday? what kind of notice is this I didnt receive no letter or anything, he said it like I hadnt made plans already, and I had.

Needless to say I didnt go to the interview, im not jumping because they say so, atleast give me a days notice, im getting sick of it though, im applying for every other job on websites and getting nothing back, then when I get to the jobcentre they do me a job search and print off jobs ive already applied for, I tell them this and they look at me like im lying "so how did you apply for this job?" ermmmm off your website maybe?

I go to job agencys to sign up and they want a 5!!!! year reference, ive not even got a 2 year reference let alone 5, and its not like ive not worked, because ive worked for long but the company was dodging tax, who am I to complain im getting paid, but now its messed me up in the long run, anybody got any tips about this 5 year reference? or what I can say to them so they dont tell me no we dont accept you kind, so to speak.

Im sick of the stuck up people at the jobcentre aswell looking down on me just because there sitting behind a desk in a job, stereotyping me because I got a hood on, dont get me wrong though there is some decent people who work there, but there are others who are the total opposite,I actually want a job and I am trying just nothing seems to be going my way on that front, I no whats next, they will put me on courses, its not that I dont want to go on a course its the fact I NEED a job and a course is just going to hold me back, anyone got any advice for me?

It's a scam! That's exactly what happened to me; just finished my 6 weeks' sign on every week, and lo, I get a letter saying I failed to attend an interview. What freakin' interview? Omg, they are a bunch of twats. And the guy was holding me up, going on with himself and talking about his son, and I said "I don't mean to be rude, but I've been here for ages now, I have period pains, my bike's locked up outside, can you just sign me on? So then he's going on joking about the bike - omg I wanted to punch him in the face. And they can't even type more tan ten words per minute, so why have they got jobs and we haven't?

[killuminatiist]

It's a scam! That's exactly what happened to me; just finished my 6 weeks' sign on every week, and lo, I get a letter saying I failed to attend an interview. What freakin' interview? Omg, they are a bunch of twats. And the guy was holding me up, going on with himself and talking about his son, and I said "I don't mean to be rude, but I've been here for ages now, I have period pains, my bike's locked up outside, can you just sign me on? So then he's going on joking about the bike - omg I wanted to punch him in the face. And they can't even type more tan ten words per minute, so why have they got jobs and we haven't?

Fucked up man, im only into my second week of weekly signing and they pull the interview card, without any notice whatsoever, suppose ill have to phone them monday and explain.

Can they do that though? they usually make you sign to say you have received the information for the interview, so if you havnt signed then you wasnt told? thats what im saying anyway.

Ive had it before, pure pointless conversations, dont get me wrong I dont mind a chat here and there but not in that place, its depressing, the one advisor I had I couldnt even hear what she was saying I kept having to say pardon, then she asked if ive got transport I said no but ive got a push bike and she said oooo I hope you have safety gear, helmet, reflectors etc, but she was being deadly serious not even in a joking way, as I got up to leave she said dont forget all that stuff for your bike..Shut the fuck up im not 10.

Yup you said it, im a perfect touch typer, my spelling might not be bang on but nothing a spell check cant sort out, still no job for me though, not even being picky either, factory work, warehouse work, building work, window fitting, whats so picky about that? not like there the best jobs out there..