Awareness Through Music

[father_pyramid]

I believe the answer to "What We Can Do", lies purely in awareness, as all it takes to change the world, is for each and everyone to become aware and take control of your own reality. We can all make music, listen to it, and recommend it.

I wonder if people here are aware of how much recent metal music there is that is all about exposing the illuminati, about anceint history, ancient anstroanuts, or just in general promotes open-mindedness with lyrical themes about fantasy, etc. Some people I've noticed seemed to think metal music is all satanic and about hate. This is not true, although some take on that image as their gimmick, but most metal music is just about the music played, and has nothing to dow itht he message of the lyrics, its about the way the guitars, the bass, the drums, play and sound, and the way they interact and create great music, simple as that. Also alot of modern metal has continued and or evolved from rebelious thrash metal of the 80s.

At www.metal-archives.com there are ~50,000 metal bands that have been catologued and classified, and many bands have lyrical themes such as "Anti-Religion, Anti-Commercialism, Aliens, Conspiracy Theories, Doom Prophecies, etc, Technology, Future, Space, Psychosis, Human Evolution."

Some examples,

Linear Sphere - progressive jazz metal (audio/sound clips from news talking about socret societies, skull and bones, bush & kerry, and lyrical themes about "waking up" and being controlled) http://www.myspace.com/linearsphere

Agent Steel - power speed thrash metal (lyrics include stuff like "we watch as they rape our liberty!", song titles like 2. Wash the Planet Clean 05:25 5. Liberty Lying Bleeding 04:59 6. Hybridized 06:06 7. Tiamats Fall 05:37 , and album titles of Omega Conspiracy, and Order of the Illuminati)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8905039

Wormed - brutal death metal (lyrical themes about quantum physics) http://www.myspace.com/wormed

Mustasch - awesome classic rock/heavy metal band - (the song Evil Doer off the album Powerhouse lyrics:

"Multinational ruler
Got no class, got no style
Calling me Evil Doer
While committing the crime

Mind destroyed by TV-show suppliers
Runs on cyberboobs and self denial
Left the common sense for trust in science

The one that does not suit their plans: Remove her
Brainwashed by commercial mind controller
Wipe your nose, the winds of change blows colder

Left with two choices
It ain´t silver or gold
Here´s a dish of their droppings
Have it warm, have it cold

Multinational ruler
Got no class, got no style
Calling me Evil Doer
While committing the crime"
)
http://www.myspace.com/mustasch

[soglad]

I love a metal band called Meshuggah if you've ever heard of them. Amazingly complex band!

[father_pyramid]

I love a metal band called Meshuggah if you've ever heard of them. Amazingly complex band!

LOL @ thinking Meshuggah is complex because of simple polymeters. Meshuggah is overrated and very simply musically once you get your head around poly meters, poly rythyms, and odd time signatures. :)
Good great band though, very influencial in metal, they practically invented post-thrash

[soglad]

Well, I thought they were very good. Obviously not the first to mess around with that stuff, but awesome none the less.

I go to a metal pub here in Dublin once or twice every week and only get to hear the popular stuff over and over again.

Pantera....Metallica......RATM......sick of it at this stage...

[father_pyramid]

Well, I thought they were very good. Obviously not the first to mess around with that stuff, but awesome none the less.

I go to a metal pub here in Dublin once or twice every week and only get to hear the popular stuff over and over again.

Pantera....Metallica......RATM......sick of it at this stage...

I haven't listened to that junk for years. I'm mostly into other types of metal, generally not a fan of most heavy metal and power metal, but i love jazz,progressive,blackened,death,brutal,sludge,pos t-rock,stoner,doom,symphonic and some other obscure sub genres of metal lol. (well i guess RATM is prett much groove stoner metal, but generally its just to mainstream for me - I hear it everywhere I go, I don't need to listen to it on my own time as well)

[eternal_spirit]

LOL @ thinking Meshuggah is complex because of simple polymeters. Meshuggah is overrated and very simply musically once you get your head around poly meters, poly rythyms, and odd time signatures. :)
Good great band though, very influencial in metal, they practically invented post-thrash
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I've not heard of them. But what did make me LOL was some guy who said Genghis Khan an instrumental by Iron Maiden was an easy piece. Which is so not true. It's got to be one of the fastest pieces of metal ever played. If you don't believe me go listen. BTW this is proper music with a tune etc not just crappy thrash death metal bollocks. Not just a lot of distorted bar chords and scales.

[eternal_spirit]

Anway it got worse this guy reckoned Satriani was easy LOL. Joe Satriani taught many guitarists over the years he is a man of musical knowledge. Possibly one of the fastest most original creative guitarists ever.

So I said to this guy who do you thinks good?
He says Ywinggie Malmsteen ( forgive spelling) plays this great live tune on a classical guitar. So I listened to it, lol it was shite! :D

[eternal_spirit]

Hmmmmmmm as to the original question about info being passed on through songs. most lyrics don't tell, or explain much.

Ten albums worth of lyrics may fill a couple of pages in a book.
Be better reading a 500 page book by Icke etc. or an Internet site with 1000 pages of info, if you wan't to do some research.
That's how I see it.

[eternal_spirit]

Okay, I'll agree that it may make some more people aware of issues by way of lyrics.

[hogans]

Circa Survive, Nine Inch Nails, Biffy Clyro... these bands have new albums out at the moment, their messages contain a lot the same ideas expressed here on these forums.

Anyone heard these bands?

x

[kashmirz]

Im quite certain it can my friend :) considering all my music is about spreading the awareness.

aiming to have it done in about 2 months max

[father_pyramid]

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I've not heard of them. But what did make me LOL was some guy who said Genghis Khan an instrumental by Iron Maiden was an easy piece. Which is so not true. It's got to be one of the fastest pieces of metal ever played. If you don't believe me go listen. BTW this is proper music with a tune etc not just crappy thrash death metal bollocks. Not just a lot of distorted bar chords and scales.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Iron Maiden IS easy, and is not fast at all compared to most modern technical death metal. 99% of iron maiden is simple power chords, and the same damn 4/4 timing for every single freaking song - simple as it gets. I'm a musician, primarily a guitarist, but I also play bass and madolin, and I can play the likes of Satriani, Vai, Yngwie, etc. Theoretically, ie the actual music written is much more complex in modern technical metal than metallica, maiden, etc. The death metal I listen to blows Iron Miaden out of the water. Metal has evolved and these classic bands like Maiden although while EXTREMELY influencial and important and great for their time, pale in comparison to the musical talent of today's top metal acts. And it's a shame people don't recognize that, and can't get over the "harsh vocals", and that people tend to generalize and group in the hardcore/screamo/garbage music with death metal. It also doesn't help that there are virtually ZERO good death metal bands that are popular. The only metal that gets overly popular these days is mostly garbage.

[eternal_spirit]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Iron Maiden IS easy, and is not fast at all compared to most modern technical death metal. 99% of iron maiden is simple power chords, and the same damn 4/4 timing for every single freaking song - simple as it gets. I'm a musician, primarily a guitarist, but I also play bass and madolin, and I can play the likes of Satriani, Vai, Yngwie, etc. Theoretically, ie the actual music written is much more complex in modern technical metal than metallica, maiden, etc. The death metal I listen to blows Iron Miaden out of the water. Metal has evolved and these classic bands like Maiden although while EXTREMELY influencial and important and great for their time, pale in comparison to the musical talent of today's top metal acts. And it's a shame people don't recognize that, and can't get over the "harsh vocals", and that people tend to generalize and group in the hardcore/screamo/garbage music with death metal. It also doesn't help that there are virtually ZERO good death metal bands that are popular. The only metal that gets overly popular these days is mostly garbage.
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Some Maiden is easy, but I doubt you've listened to much reading you're post i could rattle of a list of tracks for you that are no way easy.
I doubt many people can play Genghis Khan, Big Orra, Transylvania and a fair few other Maiden tracks note for note, although I used to play some of their stuff on guitar like Phantom of the Opera used to love playing that. the last part of trannsylvania I could never figure it out also had trouble with some parts of Genghis Khan, never seen a drummer who could play that track right yet.

You said 99% power chords NO WAY! Are you sure you're talking about the same band lol How many bands you see play these as covers, I've never seen one! They don't use the same4/4 in all the songs. I admit alot of it isn't great and can be repetitive in places, in other places it's amazing the instrumental parts. But if you took all Maidens good music tracks and compared it next to any other metal band, maiden come out on top for musicianship, tuneful, original sounds that's my opinion.

have you got a link for some of the new metal you talk about I'd like to listen.:D

Don't give me the line Satriani is easy lol. Some of it is but that guy is the king of the tremelo.

[father_pyramid]

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Some Maiden is easy, but I doubt you've listened to much reading you're post i could rattle of a list of tracks for you that are no way easy.
I doubt many people can play Genghis Khan, Big Orra, Transylvania and a fair few other Maiden tracks note for note, although I used to play some of their stuff on guitar like Phantom of the Opera used to love playing that. the last part of trannsylvania I could never figure it out also had trouble with some parts of Genghis Khan, never seen a drummer who could play that track right yet.

You said 99% power chords NO WAY! Are you sure you're talking about the same band lol How many bands you see play these as covers, I've never seen one! They don't use the same4/4 in all the songs. I admit alot of it isn't great and can be repetitive in places, in other places it's amazing the instrumental parts. But if you took all Maidens good music tracks and compared it next to any other metal band, maiden come out on top for musicianship, tuneful, original sounds that's my opinion.

have you got a link for some of the new metal you talk about I'd like to listen.:D

Don't give me the line Satriani is easy lol. Some of it is but that guy is the king of the tremelo.


LOL, I've listened to all Iron Maiden, trust me, and its ALL easy, and THEY DO use virtually the same time signature in every single song. They practically invented the power chord gallop. Not very high level of musicianship at all. Their drummer is a joke compared to real talent(try some buddy rich on for size) Every memeber of that band is very low on the level of musical skill. There is no part of maiden that any intermediate guitarist/drummer/bassist shouldn't be able to play. I teach guitar lessons, and they are one of the first bands I teach beginners. They wrote great songs yes, they are an amazing band yes, very influencial and great for its time, but if you're having trouble learning to play it on guitar, I tell you this, you do not have a bright future playing the guitar, lol. Don't get me wrong, they are better than 95% of the garbage on radios and mtv, etc today, but thats not where modern metal is. You must be confusing good modern death metal with hardcore/emo/screamo/metalcore/garbage that plagues our youth.

Satriani isn't particularily difficult to play either. Amazing player though, and yes, MUCH more difficult than Maiden, Satch is a pure master of controlling sound, but compared to Al Di Meola, Shawn Lane, John Mcluaghlin, Guthrie Govan and many many others in terms of difficulty and song writing, Satch is a chump. If you wish, I'll glady play guitar live for you over msn or any audio chat you desire.

[eternal_spirit]

Edited the put down sorry. have to read your post again

[eternal_spirit]

listen to my music on my link that's just some of the stuff I do.

And provide me with some links to some good music :D or name a few bands. the drumming on genghis Khan blows any drummer away i'd say lol

[eternal_spirit]

I could play maiden when I was a teenager, but I don't see the point in playing metal no more, doesn't really do much for me these days. It's more or less all been done before anyhow.
See all I'm trying to do with my own guitar playing is to create something no one else has done yet. :)

[father_pyramid]

your full of shit dude

What is your msn? lets do a live voice chat

[eternal_spirit]

What is your msn? lets do a live voice chat
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Look sorry for calling you names. I've no msn at the mo, but I'll Pm you soon when I get it reinstalled.

[eternal_spirit]

Can you name some track by these musicians you talk about? It's late I'm tired.

[father_pyramid]

I could play maiden when I was a teenager, but I don't see the point in playing metal no more, doesn't really do much for me these days. It's more or less all been done before anyhow.
See all I'm trying to do with my own guitar playing is to create something no one else has done yet. :)

You obviously havent caught a whiff of the new age of technical metal.
metal is by far the most diverse genre, as you can have jazz metal, fusion metal, folk metal, progressive metal, etc, so many subgenres, mixing of subgenres, etc. In fact, it seems to be the ONLY genre doing anything new.
So stop thinking so stereotypical (teenage = angry = metal).

[eternal_spirit]

give me some names and tracks then lol

[father_pyramid]

Can you name some track by these musicians you talk about? It's late I'm tired.

There's really thousands, I don't really want to name jsut a few to respresent the whole. I collect music and have well over 2000 albums. On my harddrive it equates to 300GB.

But I'll name a just a few bands from a few different sub genres just for example, Linear Sphere(prog jazz metal), Pavor(technical brutal death metal), Theory in Practice(technical death metal), Planet X(instrumental jazz/fusion metal), Between the Buried and Me(technical metalcore), Newbreed(progressive alternative jazz death metal), Terminal Function(progressive thrash jazz death metal), Nevermore(prog power metal)

Have you heard Athiest? They are an older classic jazz/death metal band from the late 80s early 90s that really sort of respresent a middle point between old metal (maiden, etc.) and new metal. You can see the evolution. I reccomend checking them out as well.

Dude, like i said, lets get on a voice chat, skype, msn, anything you want. I love chatting music, jamming online, I'll glady play guitar and back up anything I say, I am not a bullshitter lol.

[father_pyramid]

From Wiki:

Technical death metal, or tech death for short, is a term used to describe bands in the subgenre death metal. As death metal bands began further exploring the genre, they experimented with a variety of song structures, tempos, and playing techniques from other genres to create music that changed the style. As a result of such experimentation, such as the works of Cynic, the subform of tech death established itself as a complex and varied musical style.

Technical death metal incorporates a variety of influences from genres such as jazz fusion, progressive rock and European classical music into general death metal aesthetics to compose music that is thought to be unexpected, difficult to play and often difficult to comprehend. Songs tend to be written without distinct choruses, with varied or layered time signatures, and sometimes dissonant or atonal guitar riffs....

"Compared to this band, Atheist and Cynic seem like 3-chords-punk, Steve Vai and Joe Satriani like guitar pupils, Steve DiGiorgio like a total beginner on the bass and Gene Hoglan like a school band drummer... despite these extremes, the band manages to deliver a homogenous and comprehensible piece of high quality musical art that does not allow any criticism... Result: 6 out of 5 points" - review for Pavor's album Furioso, just an example of the reviews this type of music gets.

and when you start mixing in other subgenres as well, there are some amazingly deadly original unknown metal bands.

[eternal_spirit]

Okay thanks for the info. I'll have a look for some of this stuff. I'm out of here for now, laters.

[father_pyramid]

Okay thanks for the info. I'll have a look for some of this stuff. I'm out of here for now, laters.

peace, friend

[father_pyramid]

the drumming on genghis Khan blows any drummer away i'd say lol

He was a good drummer, but he's not even a name that comes to mind @ drums for me, compared to Vinnie Colaiuta, Dennis Chambers, Steve Smith, Dave Weckl, Marco Minneman, Virgil Donati, Thomas Lang, Mike Mangini, etc

Buddy Rich (in 1970 btw, still the most amazing drummer ever in my opnnion)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Heres a quick little 2 vids from a few nobodys showing off some basic brutal death drumming skills, just to show you how the level of technicality has increased so much throughout the evolution of metal
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Old blastphemer videos (280 bpm) - YouTube

[father_pyramid]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (between the buried and me, technical metalcore)

Nevermore - Sentient 6 live Video - YouTube (nevermore, modern prog power metal kings)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (meshuggah, innovators of off-time/odd timing signatures in metal and the genre "post-thrash")

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (Darkane, the modern version of what metallica would sound like if they stayed good - lol, straight forward melodic thrash/death metal)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (Coprofago, took meshuggah a step further)

Scar Symmetry - The illusionist - YouTube (have you been exposed to melodic death metal yet ie In Flames, Dark Tranquility, etc? reall catchy death metal...these guys, Scar Symmettry, are leading the genre right now)

[revolutionary_jam]

http://www.myspace.com/revolutionaryjam

[kashmirz]

its not about the technicality of the peice of music its about the energy behind it.

Metal is a style of music that is heavy, thus to me at least it makes perfect sense to use metal styles to express a heavy message.

I dont know where this whole metal is synonymous with evil bullshit started but it is just that , metal is just heavy music ... like everything, its how its used.

I mean i write metal , yet im a blues lead guitarist? why well if the energy required to get across the message flows as metal ... then that is how it must be constructed ... people who think about compositions are ... not in touch musicians imo

every piece of music i have ever written appears as vocals , guitar parts, lyrics everything in my head in a split second all at once, i dont think songs i channel songs, music without energy IS just noise, unfortuantly the masses are so disconnected from the universe they cant feel it anyway ... tis a sad state of events

[father_pyramid]

its not about the technicality of the peice of music its about the energy behind it.

Metal is a style of music that is heavy, thus to me at least it makes perfect sense to use metal styles to express a heavy message.

I dont know where this whole metal is synonymous with evil bullshit started but it is just that , metal is just heavy music ... like everything, its how its used.

I mean i write metal , yet im a blues lead guitarist? why well if the energy required to get across the message flows as metal ... then that is how it must be constructed ... people who think about compositions are ... not in touch musicians imo

every piece of music i have ever written appears as vocals , guitar parts, lyrics everything in my head in a split second all at once, i dont think songs i channel songs, music without energy IS just noise, unfortuantly the masses are so disconnected from the universe they cant feel it anyway ... tis a sad state of events

Yup, I mean, yes there are people out there who write music and use it to spread satanic, devil worshipping, etc messages, or w/e.

But thats like anything - any symbol can be used as positive or negative, it's just who's using them and what for.

Metal is just the evolution of rock - with the new musical equipment, recording gear, etc, music is becoming more extreme, and it has opened up more ways to use sound.

[eternal_spirit]

QUOTE: father_pyramid
There is no part of maiden that any intermediate guitarist/drummer/bassist shouldn't be able to play. I teach guitar lessons, and they are one of the first bands I teach beginners. They wrote great songs yes, they are an amazing band yes, very influencial and great for its time, but if you're having trouble learning to play it on guitar, I tell you this, you do not have a bright future playing the guitar, lol.

metal is by far the most diverse genre, as you can have jazz metal, fusion metal, folk metal, progressive metal, etc, so many subgenres, mixing of subgenres, etc.

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I still say you're wrong about maiden. There are many difficult tricky parts to lot's of their songs, an itermediate guitarist would not be able to play.
I'm 37 I've played in a few bands over the years and have covered all those styles of music you've named and many more. But my aim now is to create a new sound to be original. I have trouble finding any music worth listening to I have heard all styles, that's another reason fro me doing original music with out any singing.

I will check out those links you posted, lol better be good :D I've had many people telling me what's good and it almost 99% of the time doesn't impress me.

I'm not a bullshitter either as you sad you weren't. I'm just trying to give you some honest opinions from an old git like myself :)

[father_pyramid]

QUOTE: father_pyramid
There is no part of maiden that any intermediate guitarist/drummer/bassist shouldn't be able to play. I teach guitar lessons, and they are one of the first bands I teach beginners. They wrote great songs yes, they are an amazing band yes, very influencial and great for its time, but if you're having trouble learning to play it on guitar, I tell you this, you do not have a bright future playing the guitar, lol.

metal is by far the most diverse genre, as you can have jazz metal, fusion metal, folk metal, progressive metal, etc, so many subgenres, mixing of subgenres, etc.

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I still say you're wrong about maiden. There are many difficult tricky parts to lot's of their songs, an itermediate guitarist would not be able to play.
I'm 37 I've played in a few bands over the years and have covered all those styles of music you've named and many more. But my aim now is to create a new sound to be original. I have trouble finding any music worth listening to I have heard all styles, that's another reason fro me doing original music with out any singing.

I will check out those links you posted, lol better be good :D I've had many people telling me what's good and it almost 99% of the time doesn't impress me.

I'm not a bullshitter either as you sad you weren't. I'm just trying to give you some honest opinions from an old git like myself :)

Well, I'm only 23, have only played guitar for 7 years, and was playing every other maiden song, solo, etc with ease after 2 years of playing guitar. (then again I am a freak and play like 6-8 hours a day) If you don't believe me, lets get on any voice chat program you desire and i'll glady jam live with you.

[eternal_spirit]

Well, I'm only 23, have only played guitar for 7 years, and was playing every other maiden song, solo, etc with ease after 2 years of playing guitar. (then again I am a freak and play like 6-8 hours a day) If you don't believe me, lets get on any voice chat program you desire and i'll glady jam live with you.
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LOL fast learner eh kid ;) I think you may be the only person on the Planet to have achieved this. And keen to play too. You don't have to prove yourself to me. Pm me if you've got msn.

[father_pyramid]

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LOL fast learner eh kid ;) I think you may be the only person on the Planet to have achieved this. And keen to play too. You don't have to prove yourself to me. Pm me if you've got msn.

Not really, its very standard to be able to play Iron Maiden after a few years. It was according to my old guitar teacher (Trent Legot), and it's how I teach my students, and they are all mostly capable of playing it. Everyone learns at different paces, my dad has been playing guitar for 30 years and still can't dream of playing it, where as some pick it up ASAP. Look at Jason Becker - he released(and wrote) Perpetual Burn when he was 18 I believe, and it's still the one of the most amazing technicalities(and genius neo-classical song writing) in guitar today.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ZMvjCiy_E (between the buried and me, technical metalcore)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mItfisvCw5c (nevermore, modern prog power metal kings)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5A0q63_gbo (meshuggah, innovators of off-time/odd timing signatures in metal and the genre "post-thrash")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDcisiskDpc (Darkane, the modern version of what metallica would sound like if they stayed good - lol, straight forward melodic thrash/death metal)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RcDMNi9Gpc (Coprofago, took meshuggah a step further)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0p7Y3gND4 (have you been exposed to melodic death metal yet ie In Flames, Dark Tranquility, etc? reall catchy death metal...these guys, Scar Symmettry, are leading the genre right now)
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I've listened to them all. There isn't anything new, original, technically difficult about any of it. I remember listening to some of these, on radio years ago and very similar stuff on cable music channels. It just doesn't resonate with me. Too many of these bands all doing the same thing.

Iron maiden 80's and early 90's and Joe Satriani( who still produces a few new gems these days) blow these guys away
Early Black Sabbath is also to be classed as true original metal, along with the Maiden and Satriani these three are still and probably always be the best at metal. And the best thing of all is that they don't just play metal, but folk, classical, funk, jazz ect and even undefinable (styles geners) with their music.

I had a feeling you'd led me on a wild goose chase even before I listened to the links you posted father_pyramid. Like I said it takes a lot to impress me, I've heard everything before.
Good drummers unusual time signatures and bass= the band Yes , songs ( heart of the Sunrise ) ( The Fish )
And early Black Sabbath. songs ( War Pigs..Great lyrics too says it all really) and (Fairies Wear Boots) another great Sabbath track.

All the best metal has been created and composed years ago. The new stuff is like the basic chords ( bad bits) of the old stuff with the best parts missing. it doesn't take long how to play like this.
I'll stick with my original point Iron maiden and Joe satriani are the most technically difficult guitarists, but the what matters most is these guys can make it sound sweet and evoke many emotions and carry many forms of energy from pure adrenaline rush to dreamy etheric states.

[eternal_spirit]

War Pigs" Black sabbath

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds... Oh Lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'till their Judgment day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of Judgment, God is calling
On their knees the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
Oh Lord yeah!

[father_pyramid]

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I've listened to them all. There isn't anything new, original, technically difficult about any of it. I remember listening to some of these, on radio years ago and very similar stuff on cable music channels. It just doesn't resonate with me. Too many of these bands all doing the same thing.




Funny how none of them are doing the same thing at all, are competley different sub genres, competley different styles of metal all together, and are WAY more difficult to play, and HAVE NEVER been on the radio or cable(except maybe a nevermore tune).

[eternal_spirit]

If you wan't to here something original father_pyramid go to my signature link at myspace. I might change the tracks on there soon and put some of my rock tracks on. stuff on there at the moment is fairly chilled.

Was all played and recorded onto an old 4track multitrack recorder ( ancient technology) first take and hasn't been edited ....in my front room( I played through the first ever zoom multi effects box which is about 20 years old now lol) then mixed onto a stereo mix tape, then plugged my tape deck into my computer converted it into music files........then into mp3 lol then finally onto myspace. :)

I need a digital multitrack recorder, my old equipment is limited, even though I'm rather pleased with the end result considering, the professionals have thousands of £ of equipment, the latest effects and studios

[father_pyramid]

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All the best metal has been created and composed years ago. The new stuff is like the basic chords ( bad bits) of the old stuff with the best parts missing.

not even close to right. Metal exploded and completely took off since the late 90's. did you even listen to the whole songs? Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath etc, could never dream of playing solos, let alone music that difficult, etc. Most technical death metal don't use basic chords at all, (read the wiki post) Most have competlely abanded power chords and use complex chord arrangements.

[eternal_spirit]

Funny how none of them are doing the same thing at all, are competley different sub genres, competley different styles of metal all together, and are WAY more difficult to play, and HAVE NEVER been on the radio or cable(except maybe a nevermore tune).
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I have ears man I've listened. They're all very much the same, it's nothing new, that style has been around a fair few years now dude. yes they have had air play in the Uk, and the bands on cable sound the same, if it's not those particular bands on cable/radio. It's ones that sound the same.

Metal is like blues, it's already been done by others much better in the past. So i don't see the point in anyone froming another metal or blues band or copying, there somgs.

[father_pyramid]

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Iron maiden 80's and early 90's and Joe Satriani( who still produces a few new gems these days) blow these guys away
Early Black Sabbath is also to be classed as true original metal, along with the Maiden and Satriani these three are still and probably always be the best at metal. And the best thing of all is that they don't just play metal, but folk, classical, funk, jazz ect and even undefinable (styles geners) with their music.


Satriani even admits that metal these days is amazing and better than ever before (do you read any guitar magazines, he spoke about this in a recent guitar player i believe)

I know you love Maiden, theres nothing wrong with liking them better than metal nowadays, but I garuntee that Maiden themselves would be the first to tell you their stuff is simple to play and they could never dream of playing the stuff that is being played nowadays(which was proven by their lastest 2 albums)

[eternal_spirit]

Satriani even admits that metal these days is amazing and better than ever before (do you read any guitar magazines, he spoke about this in a recent guitar player i believe)

I know you love Maiden, theres nothing wrong with liking them better than metal nowadays, but I garuntee that Maiden themselves would be the first to tell you their stuff is simple to play and they could never dream of playing the stuff that is being played nowadays(which was proven by their lastest 2 albums)
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The only part I agree on with the above statement, is that maiden can only produce so many good tracks ( same as any band) before they start to do the same formulated stuff time after time, but man these guys have done their bit and are gettin old and grey lol.

[father_pyramid]

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I have ears man I've listened. They're all very much the same, it's nothing new, that style has been around a fair few years now dude. yes they have had air play in the Uk, and the bands on cable sound the same, if it's not those particular bands on youtube. It's ones that sound the same.

Metal is like blues, it's already been done by others much better in the past. So i don't see the point in anyone froming another metal or blues band or copying, there somgs.

Just simply wrong. I used to think the same way, honest to god. I know you can physically hear the music, but the knowledge in your brarin is misinterpreting the sound. I was the same way when i was into maiden, metallica, etc. I used to think no one was better. I thought modern metal was garbage. But as I trained more and more in music, and became able to play every metallica/mainde/satraini tune, etc. My understanding grew and grew until i relized that it was far better than what i thought was the best. And what i used to think was the best was a joke. Perhaps because you cannot get over the vocals? that seems to be alot of people's issues. It was mine at first, next was the drums.

[eternal_spirit]

Are you joking?

[father_pyramid]

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I had a feeling you'd led me on a wild goose chase even before I listened to the links you posted father_pyramid. Like I said it takes a lot to impress me, I've heard everything before.


Sweeping arpegios on lead guitar didn't even exist in maiden days (other than some lame 3 string arps)
Nowadays these bands i posted are ripping 20 note per second doing 7 string arpeggios...

[father_pyramid]

Jarle H. Olsen Airborne - YouTube

this is how modern metal guitar players are able to play these days

[father_pyramid]

BTW pm me your msn address!!!

well jam after im off work

[eternal_spirit]

Sweeping arpegios on lead guitar didn't even exist in maiden days (other than some lame 3 string arps)
Nowadays these bands i posted are ripping 20 note per second doing 7 string arpeggios...
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I'm not discussing this no more it's pointless. The truth is metal isn't progressing it's regressing.

[father_pyramid]

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I'm not discussing this no more it's pointless. The truth is metal isn't progressing it's regressing.

It's not the truth, but you are free to believe what you wish.

It's natural progression, denying it's progression doesn't make it regress. what was new in the past is simple now, every teenager can play any metallica song, etc, because we learn from the past to create better in the future. If I could go back in time to 1960 with my same abilities as I have now, I would be a guitar legend. But instead, nowadays compared to the extremely amazing new talent popping up everyday, I'm just as average as the next. :)

[father_pyramid]

Slighty off topic, but are you familiar with Stanley Jordan, a long time fav of mine, certainly doing something new with jazz(at least in terms of how he plays it).

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[father_pyramid]

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Sweeping arpegios on lead guitar didn't even exist in maiden days (other than some lame 3 string arps)
Nowadays these bands i posted are ripping 20 note per second doing 7 string arpeggios...


I'm not discussing this no more it's pointless. The truth is metal isn't progressing it's regressing.

Also, you dodged the comment/question.

That kind of guitar playing didnt even exist in maiden's hay days, so how can you say metal has regressed considering something that wasn't done in the past can now be done, as is done with alot of frequency in metal. While you're evidence for past metal being better is purely subjective, I have physical evidence that metal has gotten better. There's nothing wrong with liking old metal better, but denying that it has got more technically challenging and diverse is silly and provably false.

[eternal_spirit]

It's down to tastes in music what you enjoy playing/listening to. You like the old and the new stuff that's cool. I go through phases of what I like. :) Classical and folk created hundreds of years ago is much more complicated than most modern music.

[father_pyramid]

It's down to tastes in music what you enjoy playing/listening to. You like the old and the new stuff that's cool. I go through phases of what I like. :) Classical and folk created hundreds of years ago is much more complicated than most modern music.

Exactly, so don't try and tell me modern metal has regressed from old metal, because its to the contrary. You can enjoy old metal more, that's fine, but don't tell me new metal has regressed (although some forms of it have ie nu-metal, screamo, etc).
And yea, classical will always be the most complicated(or maybe jazz). But thats one of the things modern metal has now incorperated into its sound. The whole genre "neo-classical" has spawned from that. And most metal these days (que the technical metal wiki) use jazz/classical ideas in their compositions. I'm in no way saying new metal is more complicated than jazz or classical, but far more complicated than old metal.

[nuit]

following on from this here are what i think are a few songs that have tried to kickstart a revolution

BOB DYLAN - Maggie's Farm
Anti-work rock and roll song. Work is slavery

MC5 - Kick out the Jams
Kick out the jams motherfuckers!
"We will!" "Just as soon as we've smoked this joint..."

SEX PISTOLS - Anarchy in the UK
This Pistols signature tune didn't so much speak of a revolution, it was a revolution

THE CLASH - Spanish Bombs
An account of the Spanish Civil War from their perspective

THE SPECIALS - Ghost Town
During violence in 1981 from high tensions in Britian, this told of inner city strife and post-riot desolation

PUBLIC ENEMY - Fight the Power
A sermon-cum-call-for-arms for underdogs the world over

SYSTEM of a DOWN - Boom
Michael Moore directed video and a song nailing sentiments and statistics behind American Foreign Policy post 9/11

[cruise4]

I'm thinking Awareness is actually 'doing' something to our brain. Getting ready to ascend to 4th level.

[jim fear]

Music wise I like a lot of metal, at the moment I listen to a lot of sikth. And a while back I got into the Dillinger escape plan, I found them really hard to listen to at first but I ended up going to see them live and they blew me away, so much energy and crazy jazz metal riffs all of which was new to me at them time.

I play guitar to a reasonable standard, and I can appreciate the unbelievable technical standard Steve Vai and Joe Satriani but I don’t like there music, most of it sounds really cheesy and reminds me of vintage computer game music, it reminds me of playing on the BBC micro as a kid. I’m not knocking their ability as players there a billion times better than I’ll very be on guitar but there style really isn’t my thing.

Death metal. I love 99% of the guitar work its dark, aggressive and keeps me interested as a listener and when I read up about the band later I usually come to the conclusion that the band are generally very intelligent. I hate the vocals though they sound retarded, and unfortunately it appeals to my sense of humour and therefore can’t take a lot of it seriously it seriously.

I agree with Mr. pyramid metal has improved immensely over the years, with the advancements in technique, equipment, and the integrations of other genres into traditional speed, thrash, death metal. I love that punk edge some metal bands integrate into there music also. I hate Emo its all retarded fashion based Boo-hoo-girls-don’t-like-me- daddy-wont-buy-me-a-car-I’ve-maxed-out my-credit-card-and-I’m-only-15 years-old shite.

I don’t think that all music has to be serious, and I don’t have a major problem with melody ether as long as its played from the heart and isn’t just trash for cash radio crap RnB for example, often its gets mislabelled as music, its just a backing track for adverts and endorsements and a waste of time. Simplicity is also good, again if its played from the heart and its what I consider to be a good song its really no a problem for me.



Now I’ve finished my rant (also I feel I should add that I don’t care if you disagree with my musical tastes, if you like other stuff, great! Good for you!) I’d like Mr. Pyramid to explains if you have the time:

1. How do you work out a time sig while listening to a song?

2. You mentioned poly meters/poly rhythms at some point on here and my basic understanding is that it’s the process of working faster beats in between 2 slower beats (e.g. 3 into 2 etc) or maybe combining time sigs.

Thanks for reading!

P.S its just my opinion! your welcome to disagree!

[mr_moon]

You don't really need lyrics for music to spread a message... poetry can do that really.

Music is about how it makes you 'feel' whether you can detect that effect or not. The Energy that is put into (~or pulled from!!) music is imbued with feelings, thoughts and power. It resonates with us in the way it was created.

So if you're angry when writing a song and you write it from within and allow it to flow out, then whoever listens to it will get angry... as if for no apparent reason!!

It works with Love too- put it in, feel it when the music is manifesting and it will be imprinted with it forever.

:D

Jay
xxx

[ninja17]

that song from twiztid does deal with some shit...check out the lyrics

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

oh and this...

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. :D

pce

[guyblokeman]

What do you metal heads think about Corey Taylors 2 bands (Slipknot/Stone Sour) You cant deny the message this guy is spreading and he talks about things not many people will truely know.

I personally think both these bands fuckin av it!

You cant really deny slipknots technical ability. Their latest album isnt as experimental but their underlying message is VERY close to Ickes.

You may not like the comercial side of these bands but I believe their only that way due to their greatness;)

[eternal_spirit]

You don't really need lyrics for music to spread a message... poetry can do that really.

Music is about how it makes you 'feel' whether you can detect that effect or not. The Energy that is put into (~or pulled from!!) music is imbued with feelings, thoughts and power. It resonates with us in the way it was created.

So if you're angry when writing a song and you write it from within and allow it to flow out, then whoever listens to it will get angry... as if for no apparent reason!!

It works with Love too- put it in, feel it when the music is manifesting and it will be imprinted with it forever.

:D

Jay
xxx

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I agree with what you say.
metal/rock can give you a sort of adrenaline rush. like no other music can give.

[chandrakavi]

Music of all types, of your choice, is the best ,
it makes you FEEL, image makes you THINK, and thinking has been manipulated and prostituted by ty those in power.

Pop music, Classical music, jazz and everything.
Before TV, came along, people listened more to the radio,
some people still do, and it beats TV, YOU FEEL IN THE RADIO, YOU CAN IMAGINE THINGS YOUR WAY, in tv it is exactly as you see it, nothing left for the imagination.

Hearing music makes you feel better, connects you with your emotions, your inner self, music is healthy even plants grow with it.

So if you are going to continue watching Tv, also listen to the radio
of your choice, do both.

INFINITE LOVE TO ALL

[chandrakavi]

You don't really need lyrics for music to spread a message... poetry can do that really.

Music is about how it makes you 'feel' whether you can detect that effect or not. The Energy that is put into (~or pulled from!!) music is imbued with feelings, thoughts and power. It resonates with us in the way it was created.

So if you're angry when writing a song and you write it from within and allow it to flow out, then whoever listens to it will get angry... as if for no apparent reason!!

It works with Love too- put it in, feel it when the music is manifesting and it will be imprinted with it forever.

:D

Jay
xxx

RIght, Mr. Moon, with classic songs by the Beatles, ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE
LOVE, LOVE ,LOVE
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE
LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED