Protest - I'm Gonna' Protest the Protesters!

[dondaz]

They are pumping up the global warming agenda here in Birmingham next week with a protest.

On Monday 27th August(Bank Holiday), between 5,000 and 8,000 people are expected to march from Birmingham City Centre to a rally & concert in Cannon Hill Park. Organised by Christian Aid, the `Cut the Carbon` march & rally aims to raise awareness of the fact that climate change is not just a forecast. It is happening now and millions of poor people are suffering.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/animals-greenhouse-gases.jpg

I don't dispute what they are protesting about but they are not including chemtrails and the fact we are getting closer to the sun!

This event represents a fantastic opportunity for veggies/vegans to inform masses of environmentally conscious people of the devastating impact that meat/dairy production has on the planet.

The general public are being encouraged to `Go Green` everywhere they look. Increasing numbers of people are falling over themselves to reduce their personal impact on the planet - their ecological footprint. We commend people for taking up recycling, saving energy, buying eco cleaning products, switching to renewable energy suppliers, cycling to work, saving water etc. But what most people do not realise is that meat/dairy production are quite possibly the most environmentally damaging practices carried out by mankind!!

I believe this is part of the plot to cut down on the countries food supply, stop the independant farming buisness. It will be much easier to starve us to death if we have no meat, fish and dairy foods because they have changed the laws and forced us all into being veggies.

As ethical, eco-friendly, socially responsible veggies/vegans, we should make it our business to pass on the shocking facts to anyone that will listen. Why on earth should we want to keep the ugly truth to ourselves?!!!

This is the guy they are hero worshiping:

Brubaker, Ph.D. is Director of the Henry Spira/GRACE Project on Industrial Animal Production, Center for a Liveable Future, Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, USA. He also serves as a consultant to the Global Resource Action Center for the Environment in New York City.

Brubaker is a graduate of Temple University, Southern Illinois University and the University of Pennsylvania. He is a member of the Committee for a Global Water Contract. Brubaker has served an a consultant to numerous non-governmental organisations. Previously he was the Executive Vice President of PennAg Industries Association, a regional agribusiness trade association. He is a former president of the Agricultural Associations Executive Council, and was a member of the board of Directors of the American Feed Industry Association.

If you doubt the environmental impact of meat/dairy production, see http://www.indymedia.org.uk/img/extlink.gif http://www.viva.org.uk/guides/planetonaplate.htm (http://www.viva.org.uk/guides/planetonaplate.htm)


I am going to turn up with my camera and a megaphone and give them a few home truths.

You are all welcome to come along. This will make a good film because there will be many oppinionated people ready to have a go at me for my views.:rolleyes:

Any feedback, because I'm throwing myself in the deep end here, as I usually do, is welcome. Any info I can use as ammo on the day is also welcome.

Best

Darren

[whitenight639]

hmmm i might just be able to come help ya, i think we'll get arrested pretty quick tho seeing as there protest is organised by christian aid!! maybe we could climb a building and get on the news?

[carlg1212]

[B]I am going to turn up with my camera and a megaphone and give them a few home truths.


How about nix the hype and try to deliver the message rationally, like a sane human? Our clique is already branded as "nutters".

[baron von lotsov]

How would this do for a banner?

Manmade CO2 = 0.12% of Greenhouse Gasses

[whitenight639]

that would be mint!

[chris]

Great idea...Although I like the crazy idea, Carl is right ya know...


How about a sign saying...

'Screw methane!

Molecule for Molecule H2O is 240times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas!

DOWN WITH WATER!!!'

[oceanwave]

yeah...

..global warming

...it's all hot air, i say...

[dondaz]

hmmm i might just be able to come help ya, i think we'll get arrested pretty quick tho seeing as there protest is organised by christian aid!! maybe we could climb a building and get on the news?

Maybe we could interview the top people there and explain our side of things? I have a cracking pro camera, once they see that their heads swell up and they usually don't stop talking.:D

Manmade CO2 = 0.12% of Greenhouse Gasses

Hey baron, you winding me up? Is this for real? What's the figures for animals farting?

I wonder if there is a connection between animal farts and chemtrails? Would they go for that?

How about nix the hype and try to deliver the message rationally, like a sane human?

How about you come along and show me how it's done?;) We could use the exta man-power, couldn't we whiteknight!

[carlg1212]

Great idea...Although I like the crazy idea, Carl is right ya know...


How about a sign saying...

'Screw methane!

Molecule for Molecule H2O is 240times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas!

DOWN WITH WATER!!!'


I like it.

How about, "Killing the humans would eliminate crime".

[carlg1212]

Or, "Volcanos are the real greenhouse producers. BAN VOLCANOS!!!!".

[baron von lotsov]

Maybe we could interview the top people there and explain our side of things? I have a cracking pro camera, once they see that their heads swell up and they usually don't stop talking.:D



Hey baron, you winding me up? Is this for real? What's the figures for animals farting?

I wonder if there is a connection between animal farts and chemtrails? Would they go for that?



How about you come along and show me how it's done?;) We could use the exta man-power, couldn't we whiteknight!


Yes its for real. My reference is Augie Auer.

(Professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of Wyoming for 22 years etc.)

Augie Auer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Methane, although more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas, is only a minute fraction or the greenhouse gasses compared to CO2.

[dondaz]

Wars are creating global warming too. Ron Paul done a speech with that in. I could quote him!:D

[dondaz]

Just looked at this Augie Auer guy and he knows his stuff.

In 2006, he helped found the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Zealand_Climate_Science_Coalit ion&action=edit) in order to argue claims about man-made global warming,leading the MetService to publicly disavow the views of their former Chief Meteorologist. Following the transfer of "climate science" issues from the then New Zealand Meteorological Service into the "National Institute for Water and the Atmosphere" (NIWA) in 1992; Augie become critical of its statements, including those of former associate Jim Salinger.

In a19 Mat 2007 interview with The Timaru Herald newspaper, Auer said a combination of misinterpreted and misguided science, media hype, and political spin had created the current hysteria and it was time to put a stop to it, adding "It is time to attack the myth of global warming. According to Auer:

Water vapour was responsible for 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect, an effect which was vital to keep the world warm. …If we didn't have the greenhouse effect the planet would be at minus 18 deg C but because we do have the greenhouse effect it is plus 15 deg C, all the time. The other greenhouse gases: carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen dioxide, and various others including CFCs, contributed only five per cent of the effect, carbon dioxide being by far the greatest contributor at 3.6 per cent. It would be like trying to increase the temperature of bath tub full of water using one drop from an eye dropper.

On the10 June 2007, Auer died suddenly while dining with family in Melborne, Austrailia, while celebrating his 35th wedding anniversary and his 67th birthday.

Poor bloke. Sounded like he was a good man too.

Coincidence that he died on his 67th birthday while celebrating his 35th wedding anniversary?

Methane, although more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas, is only a minute fraction or the greenhouse gasses compared to CO2.
Be interesting to know more about this.

Nice one baron!

[cruise4]

Man's contibution to atmosheric Co2 = 0.014PPM.

Ask him to prove CO2 IS a Greenhouse gas when in the atmosphere!

I think the very term 'Greenhouse' is a non starter. Can't find ANY evidence for it. Have seen various articles saying its not and why its not though.

Is Global Warming going on at all?

[astraltraveller]

i think thier is a connection between chemtrails and cows . while i was out mushroom picking i unfortunatly ate them all before i got home but on the way through some feilds i witnessed cows flying at a low altitude flying in criss cross patterns leaving fart trails in the sky and they were unmarked so i suspect they were part of the millitary industrial complex .

[limelady]

i think thier is a connection between chemtrails and cows . while i was out mushroom picking i unfortunatly ate them all before i got home but on the way through some feilds i witnessed cows flying at a low altitude flying in criss cross patterns leaving fart trails in the sky and they were unmarked so i suspect they were part of the millitary industrial complex .


Lol....Unmarked flying cows leaving fart trails....I love it!!! :D

[baron von lotsov]

Yeh, he died 'unexpectedly' while celebrating his wedding anniversary. Even his foundation has been deleted from Wickedpedia now.

[dondaz]

Yeh, he died 'unexpectedly' while celebrating his wedding anniversary. Even his foundation has been deleted from Wickedpedia now
A man who knows about his subject, global warming, comes out and tells the truth against sever opposition on quite a few occaisions.

Well, one can only imagine what went on there, eh?

Bloody good job I'm not too clever and specialise in the sciences. I would have grassed them up too and you lot would never have read my posts:eek:

[baron von lotsov]

Yeh but his message lives on.

Good luck with the protest. I detest Christian Aid anyway; they are simply another NWO charity and do nothing to expose the reasons why all the Africans are dying. I had a chat with someone similar who helped out with the Save the Children's Fund and explained this to them and I actually got a really keen and enthusiastic support saying that she knew what I was saying and agreed with it, and this is someone who did aid work out in the field.

Anyway if you get the said banner together that would really put the cat amongst the pigeons. I'd suggest getting someone along with a camera so we can all have a laugh at the outcome.

[astraltraveller]

hello lime lady , i was just checking out the member photo section and i can only see 3 people and you are one of them . what a coincidence that i come back to this thread rite away and see your comment , thank you honey , you look like a very sweet lady and its real nice to see what you look like .


im a veggie but i do eat fish . i hate cows being held in stalls all day waiting to be milked , those cows only live 4 or 5 years but thats too long to be in such misery . they should live about 20 years if left to roam of fly free . i couldnt live withought milk though but cows can roam free and then be milked , milk is a gift from the cow just like sheep knit jumpers and send them to people at christmas . i think cow farts are no danger at all , i know people who fart more than cows yet nobody says anything , well especialy when a lady farts because its polite to pretend you heard nothing . will people be forced to buy a fart liscence in the near future like big industrial companies pay polution tax , well the way we are going it wouldnt be suprising . i once joked that its a wonder the government dont charge us for air then some time latter i heard micheal tsarion say that the irish had to actualy bloody do this and thats why they have such tiny windows on thier historicle houses . i think of this and and the sqwartzhamburger movie total recal and wonder are we actualy headed towards being charged air tax like the irish and all the crap we are being forced to swallow on climate change is a problem reaction solution in a push in this direction of air tax .

jus my 2 pence

meep meep

[baron von lotsov]

Here is my little protest.

Quote


Dear Sir

I have to say I'm rather appalled that your organisation should lower itself to that of an agency of globalist propaganda concerning carbon in the forthcoming Cut the Carbon demo. What you are actually campaigning for is something decided back in the 1970s by the Club of Rome, which was influenced by the Italian industrialist and social reformer Aurelio Peccei. This is where it tells you the truth.

Quote

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."
— Alexander King, Bertrand Schneider - founder and secretary, respectively, of the Club of Rome - The First Global Revolution, pp.104-105

Now the CO2 that is manmade accounts for a sum total of 0.12% of greenhouse gasses. Carbon is essential for life, we are made of the stuff and it is entirely harmless. What is not harmless and what flies directly in the face of your mission is the effects this scam is designed to have on the world. The policy is anti-nuclear and sometimes termed the post-industrial zero growth society. This is essentially de-industrialisation (see the Club of Rome's Limits to Growth report).

If you think this might sound like a great idea to rid the world of dirty smelly industry I will remind you that it is the very industry that acts as a life support system for the large majority of this world's population. Without industry this country could only support a population of a few million people and they would regularly perish due to food shortages and the like.

What you are therefore aiding is a scheme designed to create poverty. This general policy has been in operation in places like Africa where it has been kept from developing so that its rich natural resources can be pillaged at negligible cost. You are teaming up with some very unsavoury people by supporting their goal of de-industrialisation and global carbon tax that is likely to be administered by the unaccountable UN in furtherance of its global government objectives.. So please don't just ignore this email and chuck it in the bin. I want to hear what you have to say on the matter.

[cruise4]

Hi Astral Traveller... not sure about the Chemtrails link. But did you see any crop circle formations appearing?

[astraltraveller]

hello cruise4

no i saw no crop circles and suspect the snot goblins who work for mi6 were not operating in the area who may be responsible for the fake and not real crop circles were probably down the pub with thier 2x4 pieces of wood and string eavesdropping on the locals pretending to be building contractors . these mi6 snot goblins have covertly been trying to currupt the locals by introducing what they call freestyle masturbating competitions and soggy biscuit competitions they no doubt picked up while working for a branch of the military industrial complex and the disgusting soggy biscuit games was told toi me by a freind who is an X navy officer . it was his job as a navel officer to inspect belly buttons but he didnt have the stomach for it so he whent A.W.O.L and escaped from the high sea's in a motorpike and sidecarp after being given LSD due to higher command trying to turn him into a manchurian candidate . while i wittnessed the low flying livestock i didnt whant to be spotted and antagonize them for fear of being encircled and witnessing a crap circle though wich could have left me knee deep in shit , i think i was recieving spiritual protection from the local pixies and some undercover gnomes who are part of the resistance .


baron von lotsov , nice post . im just wondering that if you are going to send an email then do you think it would be a good idea to send also some links to google video's and or youtube on the subject of free energy . i have seen a fair few vids on amaizing things like water powerd cars and even one that was powerd by a magnet that did i think about 70 or 80mph and would run almost forever or rarther for a very long time untill it needed to be remagnitized . my reasoning is is that if one is forced to face the truth that free energy exsists that is clean then its hard to argue with that the elite must have a nefarious agenda wich supportys what you have said about the club of rome and the fact that at least 3 free energy developers have been murderd and the proof is on the net .


peace dudes

[1 2 free]

What a bunch of numptys!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44067000/jpg/_44067360_airport_getty203.jpg

[chris]

What a bunch of numptys!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44067000/jpg/_44067360_airport_getty203.jpg

lol, why do they have an anarchy sign when they are calling for HUGE FUCKING GOVERNMENT?

Controlled opposition, they fill me with weird hate but also a kind pityful annoyance...

[chris]

What's totally funny is that they have absolutely discredited themselves by trying to call on the world to become vegan.

A meat eater would rather believe anything than to give up their precious meat so these fucks are never going to get through to the public.

I hate these environmentalists so much...Their movement is so fake, its like watching some major wigga or some posh wannabe or a 13 year old girl trying to look 18...

I knew the heathrow terminal protests were going to go ugly, they set that up from the start. I actually had a pickup from there while it was going on and felt I should go down their and warn them but oh well...

[cruise4]

Wonder how many went to the Live earth concert? They must think they're having a really good anti-government year:D

[baron von lotsov]

What's totally funny is that they have absolutely discredited themselves by trying to call on the world to become vegan.



It is our clandestine government policy. Did you see that leaked email saying how the government is to use climate change and methane to convert people to vegetarianism?

Call themselves anarchists. What a cheek. Someone go and tell these morons please.

[chris]

It is our clandestine government policy. Did you see that leaked email saying how the government is to use climate change and methane to convert people to vegetarianism?

Call themselves anarchists. What a cheek. Someone go and tell these morons please.

I know and I saw a daily mail extract talking about how everyone should convert as well, crazy...

My point though is that you can't say that and be credible...It's like Ron Paul talking about the holocaust or the Vatican. They might get a few fired up protestors but they aren't going to get any converts (apart from the really stupid)...If they had a message saying to curve your carbon emissions then they might be able to slide this into the mainstream but the way they are acting, they aren't going to get any more unless they pay for them or really scrub the bucket. They are Provocateuring their own movement, how stupid:D I gues that's what happens when you appeal to the lowest common demoninator of righteous indignation.

[baron von lotsov]

Look at the rules to do with school dinners. They allocate less than 50p per day to feed the children but school actually costs the taxpayer £5000 per year, which is £100 per week or £20 per day.

Now second point, there is a rule that unless a product contains over a certain percentage of meat it cannot be supplied to the children, however 100% vegetarian meals carry no such rule. The point being that a supplier who incidentally makes most of their money on the contract to supply poisonous junk food in vending machines can not afford to supply products that are 100% meat. Cheap meat pies are padded out with other ingredients. This is how the market works; you get what you pay for so imposing this rule means that the only food they can supply at a profit is vegetarian stuff. You see, they are sneaky blighters.

Anyway if you don't eat properly you end up as a useful idiot because the brain does not have sufficient nutrition to develop properly and meat is highly concentrated nutrition. Indeed anthropologists say that when man started to eat meat it was probably the reason that the human brain developed disproportionately relative to the other organs of the body.

[cruise4]

Yes but link in Foot and Mouth and its the Food scarcity agenda moving along isn't it? To be a survivalist a few goats and chickens or cows etc. would certainly help. The Food shortage is certainly being engineered as we watch.

[infinitely free]

'Climate change campaigners have staged a series of direct action protests against firms around the UK. Sizewell B nuclear power station in Suffolk, oil firm BP's headquarters in London and two carbon offsetting companies have been targeted. Meanwhile, 200 anti-aviation Camp for Climate Action members are blockading the offices of Heathrow operator BAA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6954428.stm

Stooge Gore lies! It is solar eruptions that cause warming. :D
Why are they afraid of the truth? Is it because Climate Change (not the silly 'Warming' idea), implies other change?

[dondaz]

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."
— Alexander King, Bertrand Schneider - founder and secretary, respectively, of the Club of Rome - The First Global Revolution, pp.104-105

Great quote, but how can I explain who/what the Club of Rome are in a few short sentances without them thinking I'm nuts?

They are Provocateuring their own movement, how stupid! I gues that's what happens when you appeal to the lowest common demoninator of righteous indignation.

This is their downfall. We just need to get this info out to everyone!

Stooge Gore lies! It is solar eruptions that cause warming. Why are they afraid of the truth? Is it because Climate Change (not the silly 'Warming' idea), implies other change?

They only like changes they control!

The Food shortage is certainly being engineered as we watch.

Indeed, we will have to put a stop to it won't we!

Did you see that leaked email saying how the government is to use climate change and methane to convert people to vegetarianism?

Where can I gets my mits on this document?


Now the CO2 that is manmade accounts for a sum total of 0.12% of greenhouse gasses. Carbon is essential for life, we are made of the stuff and it is entirely harmless. What is not harmless and what flies directly in the face of your mission is the effects this scam is designed to have on the world. The policy is anti-nuclear and sometimes termed the post-industrial zero growth society. This is essentially de-industrialisation (see the Club of Rome's Limits to Growth report).

If you think this might sound like a great idea to rid the world of dirty smelly industry I will remind you that it is the very industry that acts as a life support system for the large majority of this world's population. Without industry this country could only support a population of a few million people and they would regularly perish due to food shortages and the like.

What you are therefore aiding is a scheme designed to create poverty. This general policy has been in operation in places like Africa where it has been kept from developing so that its rich natural resources can be pillaged at negligible cost. You are teaming up with some very unsavoury people by supporting their goal of de-industrialisation and global carbon tax that is likely to be administered by the unaccountable UN in furtherance of its global government objectives..

It is as clear as daylight now. Don't they think in such evil ways!

Baron, you are showing your true colours, coming out the closet to help fight the NWO, bless you;)

[cruise4]

Do you mean the one mentioned here Dondaz:

Climate hysteria reaches new heights after revelation that government is considering making population switch to vegan diet
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, May 29, 2007


Global warming hysteria has reached a new peak after it was revealed that the British government is considering forcing the population to give up meat and milk and adopt a vegan diet in the name of fighting climate change.

The move could spell the end of the very definition of British identity - the humble cup of tea along with the roast beef Sunday dinner - and represents the latest brazen effort to regulate and control every minute aspect of our lives under the banner of global warming.

"Secret plans to encourage the nation to give up eating meat are being examined by the Government. A leaked e-mail expresses sympathy for the environmental benefits of a mass switch to a vegan diet - a strict form of vegetarianism which bans milk, dairy products and fish."

"The change would need to be done "gently" because of a "risk of alienating the public", according to the document. The extreme policy is being examined on the basis it could make a major contribution to slowing climate change," reports the London Daily Mail.

If you thought the insanity of Sheryl Crow's solution of only using one square of toilet paper per bathroom visit was kooky, this tops it by a mile. Though after a New York Times editorial called for imposing a carbon tax on the very air we breathe, nothing from these nutcases should surprise us.


As I have outlined before, the more extreme and outlandish the proposals for fighting global warming become, the more people will wake up to the fact that this movement has little to do with saving the earth and everything to do with the state having the excuse to exact suffocating control measures upon the individual.

Should it ever come to fruition, this ridiculous proposal will completely decimate the farming community, a long-time goal of the social architects that have declared war on any kind of self-sustainance or independence from the state.

Since the dawn of time man has hunted and eaten meat but now these control freaks wish to reverse thousands of years of civilized history and topple the food chain itself by stigmatizing meat-eating as a blasphemous insult to mother earth.


The end of the humble British cup of tea?

Reader, even if you adhere to the direst proclamations of the global warming doom mongers and believe the man-made - and in this case animal-made - contribution to climate change, surely you can still see that on the face of it this proposal is completely radical, will devastate the economy and is totally unworkable?

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Only the wildest crackpots of the environmentalist cult would dare even dream up such a scheme - yet the British government is seriously considering it!

More reassuringly, judging from the comments on the Mail article, the British people still retain some semblance of common sense.

"If you eat meat you will be fined and if you become a vegetarian you will be rewarded same old story."
"It's a well known fact that plant-eating animals generate more methane from their digestive processes than meat-eaters or herbivores. Surely, therefore, to minimise climate change we should be vigorously opposing vegans and vegetarians on the basis that they are contributing excessively to global warming."

"The simple truth is that the as-yet unproven theory of global warming is allowing every crank and nutcase on the planet to jump in and try to run our lives for us and the politicians, the greatest nannies of all, are only too happy to play along."

"Some people simply wouldn't be able to live on a strictly vegetarian diet because of health reasons! Try eating only fruits and vegetables if you have an open ulcer wound. I just can't stop wondering what kind of virus has taken over the minds of some British people recently? The proposals some are coming up with are good subjects for horror movies!"

"Just imagine what the history syllabus of future generations might include if ever any of these ideas were documented as a way of preventing the current climate change - which could be a natural event anyway and nothing at all to do with CO2 emissions. Future generations will think we were all highly ignorant lunatics accepting a dictatorship Government!"

[adzboarder]

How would this do for a banner?

Manmade CO2 = 0.12% of Greenhouse Gasses

Awesome!

[baron von lotsov]

hello cruise4

baron von lotsov , nice post . im just wondering that if you are going to send an email then do you think it would be a good idea to send also some links to google video's and or youtube on the subject of free energy . i have seen a fair few vids on amaizing things like water powerd cars and even one that was powerd by a magnet that did i think about 70 or 80mph and would run almost forever or rarther for a very long time untill it needed to be remagnitized . my reasoning is is that if one is forced to face the truth that free energy exsists that is clean then its hard to argue with that the elite must have a nefarious agenda wich supportys what you have said about the club of rome and the fact that at least 3 free energy developers have been murderd and the proof is on the net .


peace dudes

No. It's better to speak about what they are directly involved with so that's why I mentioned aid and Africa. The brainwashed idiots have enough trouble understanding their job, let alone theoretical physics.

Anyway you give it a go but don't spam them with links, do a personal letter like I did and you are more likely to get a result. Here is their address.

info@christian-aid.org

[cruise4]

I have it better than that...

TOTAL CO2 in atmoshere = 0.038ppm
Man's contribution = 3%
3% of 0.038 = 0.00114ppm

They don't like this equation so inflated % figures are coming into play:D

[chris]

How about we make signs saying 'kill the volcanos' and 'Volcanos need to be taxed!' That would probably work better.