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chris
19-08-2007, 09:04 PM
At the risk of sounding like an out of touch plank, I thought I'd throw this at you and play the devils advocate...I really couldn't give a monkeys what you do with this information.

The Value of Semen
Swami Sivananda Saraswati

http://www.atmajyoti.org/sw_value_of_semen.asp

My dear brothers! The vital energy, the Virya1 that supports your life, which is the Prana of Pranas, which shines in your sparkling eyes, which beams in your shining cheeks, is a great treasure for you. Remember this point well. Virya is the quintessence of blood. One drop of semen is manufactured out of forty drops of blood. Mark here how valuable this fluid is!

A tree draws the essence or Rasa2 from the earth. This essence is circulated throughout the tree, its twigs, branches, leaves, flowers and fruits. The shining colours and life in the leaves, flowers and fruits are due to this Rasa. Similarly, the Virya that is manufactured by the cells of the testes out of blood gives colour and vitality to the human body and its different organs.

According to Ayurveda,3 semen is the last Dhatu4 that is formed out of food. Out of food is manufactured chyle. Out of chyle comes blood. Out of blood comes flesh. Out of flesh comes fat. Out of fat comes bone. Out of bone comes marrow. Out of marrow comes semen. These are the Sapta Dhatus or the seven Dhatus that support this life and body. Mark here how precious is semen! It is the last essence. It is the Essence of essences. The Virya comes out of the very marrow that lies concealed inside the bones.

There are three divisions in each Dhatu. Semen nourishes the physical body, the heart and the intellect. Only that man who uses the physical body, the heart and the intellect can have perfect Brahmacharya. A wrestler who uses his physical body only, but keeps the intellect and the heart undeveloped, cannot expect to have full Brahmacharya. He can have Brahmacharya of the body only, but not of the mind and the heart. The semen that belongs to the heart and the mind will certainly flow out. If an aspirant does only Japa5 and meditation, if he does not develop the heart, and if he does not practice physical exercise, he will have only mental Brahmacharya. The portion of the semen, which goes to nourish the heart and the body, will flow out. But an advanced Yogi who dives deep in meditation will have full Brahmacharya even if he does not take physical exercise.

Semen is the quintessence of food or blood. One drop of semen in manufactured out of forty drops of blood according to modern medical science. According to Ayurveda, it is elaborated out of eighty drops of blood. The two testes or seeds that are located in the scrotal bag are called secretory glands. The cells of these testes have been endowed with the peculiar property of secreting semen from the blood. Just as bees collect honey in the honeycomb drop by drop, so also, the cells of the testes collect semen drop by drop from the blood. Then this fluid is taken by the two ducts or tubes to the vesiculae seminalis. Under excitement, it is thrown out by special ducts, called ejaculatory ducts, into the urethra where it is mixed with the prostatic juice.

Semen is found in a subtle state in all the cells of the body. Just as sugar is all-pervading in the sugar-cane, butter in milk, so also, semen is pervading the whole body. Just as the butter milk is thin after the butter is removed, so also, semen is thinned by its wastage. The more the wastage of semen the more is the weakness. In the Yoga Sastras it is said:

Maranam Bindu Patanat,
Jivanam Bindu Rakshanat.

Falling of semen brings death; preservation of semen gives life. Semen is the real vitality in men. It is the hidden treasure in man. It imparts Brahma-Tejas6 to the face and strength to the intellect.

Modern medical opinion

Eminent European medical men also support the statement of the Yogins of India. Dr. Nicole says: “It is a medical and physiological fact that the best blood in the body goes to form the elements of reproduction in both the sexes. In a pure and orderly life, this matter is reabsorbed. It goes back into circulation ready to form the finest brain, nerve and muscular tissues. This vital fluid of man carried back and diffused through his system makes him manly, strong, brave and heroic. If wasted, it leaves him effeminate, weak and physically debilitated and prone to sexual irritation and disordered function, a wretched nervous system, epilepsy, and various other diseases and death. The suspension of the use of the generative organs is attended with a notable increase of bodily and mental and spiritual vigour.”

If the spermatic secretion in men is continuous, it must either be expelled or be reabsorbed. As a result of the most patient and persevering scientific investigations, it has been found that whenever the seminal secretions are conserved and thereby reabsorbed into the system, it goes towards enriching the blood and strengthening the brain. Dr. Dio Louis thinks that the conservation of this element is essential to strength of body, vigour of mind and keenness of intellect. Another writer, Dr. E.P. Miller, says: “All waste of spermatic secretions, whether voluntary or involuntary, is a direct waste of the life force. It is almost universally conceded that the choicest element of the blood enters into the composition of the spermatic secretion. If these conclusions are correct, then it follows that a chaste life is essential to man’s well-being.”
Mind, Prana and Virya

Mind, Prana7 and Virya are the three links of one chain. They are the three pillars of the edifice of Jivatma.8 Destroy one pillar—mind, Prana or Virya—and the whole building will fall to pieces.

Mind, Prana and Virya are one. By controlling the mind, you can control Prana and semen. By controlling Prana you can control the mind and semen. By controlling semen, you can control the mind and Prana.

Mind, Prana and Virya are under the one Sambandha9 or connection or circuit. If the mind is controlled, Prana and Virya are controlled automatically. He who suspends or restrains Prana restrains also the working of the mind and the movement of the Virya. Again, if the Virya is controlled, and if it is made to flow upwards into the brain by pure thoughts and the practice of Viparita Karani Mudras such as Sarvangasana and Sirshasana and Pranayama, the mind and the Prana are automatically controlled.

The mind is set in motion or rendered active by two things—the vibration of Prana and the Vasanas10 or subtle desires. Where the mind is absorbed, there the Prana is restrained; and where the Prana is fixed, there the mind also is absorbed. Mind and Prana are intimate companions, like a man and his shadow. If the mind and the Prana are not restrained, all the organs of sensation and action keep actively engaged in their respective functions.

When a man is excited by passion, the Prana is set in motion. Then the whole body obeys the dictate of the mind just as a soldier obeys the command of his commander. The vital air or Prana moves the internal sap or semen. The semen is put into motion. It falls downwards, just as the clouds burst into rain water, just as the fruits, flowers and leaves of the trees drop down by the force of the blowing winds.

If the Virya is lost, Prana gets unsteady. Prana is agitated. The man becomes nervous. Then the mind also cannot work properly. The man becomes fickle-minded. There is mental weakness.

If the Prana is rendered steady, the mind also becomes steady. If the Virya is steady, the mind also is steady. If the Virya is steady, the mind also is steady. If the Drishti or vision is steady, the mind also becomes steady. Therefore, control the Prana, the Virya and the Drishti.

God is Rasa. Raso Vai Sah. Rasa is Virya, the vital fluid or semen. You can get eternal bliss by the attainment of Rasa or Virya only. Rasohyevayam Labdhva Anandi Bhavati.

Grasp fully the importance and value of this vital essence of life. Virya is all power. Virya is all money. Virya is God. Virya is Sita. Virya is Radha. Virya is Durga. Virya is God in motion. Virya is dynamic Will. Virya is Atma-Bal.11 Virya is God’s Vibhuti.12 The Lord says in the Gita: Paurusham Nrishu. “I am the seed or virility in men.” Virya is the essence of life, thought, intelligence and consciousness. Therefore, preserve this vital fluid very, very carefully, my dear readers! More Articles on Brahmacharya

Just ask yourself, why are they trying to exhaust ourselves of this vital fluid.

whitenight639
19-08-2007, 09:13 PM
thats what i told my ex mrs :)

snoopsnuffleopagus
19-08-2007, 09:23 PM
Howdy! Bubba Snoopsnuffleopagus Here!!!:

Makes perfect sense. I would not amplify chaste into celebate, rather quality, not quantity.

Kama Sutra anyone?

Adios!! Muchachos!!! Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

tinmenace
19-08-2007, 09:25 PM
At the risk of sounding like an out of touch plank, I thought I'd throw this at you and play the devils advocate...I really couldn't give a monkeys what you do with this information.



Just ask yourself, why are they trying to exhaust ourselves of this vital fluid.

I don't think they'd find it so important if the extraction method was via a rusty needle. :)

tejas
19-08-2007, 09:33 PM
Is this basically saying that wanking is bad?

mk72
19-08-2007, 09:35 PM
thats what i told my ex mrs :)

http://vpn.cmlan.co.za/upload/mk72/4_1_219%5b1%5d.gif

snoopsnuffleopagus
19-08-2007, 09:38 PM
2tejas: well, no refund on that 'deposit'

regards!: snoopsnuffleopagus

chris
19-08-2007, 09:46 PM
Is this basically saying that wanking is bad?

In this article it just says the benefits of retaining the semen.

tejas
19-08-2007, 10:07 PM
In this article it just says the benefits of retaining the semen.

I see. Very interesting -

Also according to Taoist philosophy if you manage to have intercorse with over 10 women while retaining your semen you become immortal

For the benefit of science and science alone I'm hoping on testing this hypothesis :)

chris
19-08-2007, 10:12 PM
I see. Very interesting -

Also according to Taoist philosophy if you manage to have intercorse with over 10 women while retaining your semen you become immortal

For the benefit of science and science alone I'm hoping on testing this hypothesis :)

Is that 10 at the same time? I wouldn't contest that hypothosis.

whitenight639
19-08-2007, 11:37 PM
Is that 10 at the same time? I wouldn't contest that hypothosis.

i dunno they're using the wrong marketing technique for those pills they're advertising, they should say be immortal it only take 10 women! :)

carlg1212
20-08-2007, 02:42 AM
The term "blue balls" comes to mind.

dondaz
20-08-2007, 03:28 AM
Good for the men who've had a knot tied in their nuts:eek:

soglad
20-08-2007, 04:31 AM
I don't bother "regularly emptying my fish tank" if you will, so maybe this applies to me? Wanking all the time also lowers ones standards, and in some people makes them only view women as something to look at and gurgle over.

My 2c anyways.

uchiha
20-08-2007, 05:45 AM
you know im very open to this idea because of cases in men which have very high health at 90+ years old

however... it has been proven many times over the regular ejaculation reduces the risk of.. and prevents cervical and prostate cancers...so..ya

spiraltrance
20-08-2007, 11:10 AM
Is this basically saying that wanking is bad?

I think it is. I once went through a period of 3 months without sex/masterbation and my energy level shot up quite a bit. I also felt much purer and cleaner internaly. The first two weeks or so were a nightmare because you'r desperate to shoot your load but after that the desire diminishes quite a bit. One day though I was at tescos and bumped into an ex-girlfriend of mine and later I ended up having a wank over her, since then I've haven't been able to hold it in for longer than 4 days.

Of note I spoke to a yoga master and reiki healer about this and both said it's a good thing to do as the willpower/energy you gain from being celebate can be transmuted into other things like healing or even more material things like money and wealth.

Most men don't realise how much energy they dissapate mentaly thinking about sex, and physicaly trying to fulfil there sexual desires.

spiraltrance
20-08-2007, 11:13 AM
you know im very open to this idea because of cases in men which have very high health at 90+ years old

however... it has been proven many times over the regular ejaculation reduces the risk of.. and prevents cervical and prostate cancers...so..ya

True but avoiding ejeculation combined with a good diet, meditation and exercise will probably lower your chances of cervical cancer even more than regular ejeculation.

kblood
20-08-2007, 11:32 AM
Well... masturbation never seems to get boring :p I actually cant really sleep well without a good wanking :rolleyes: I dont even understand how some can claim that they cant or never have tried to masturbate in any way. Girls seems very uncomfortable on the subject. They always try to seem so innocent about it :p I do think it is wrong to not stimulate yourself in that way. As I see it, sex in any way is a way of telling your body that you think it is good, and that you like to use it. Not doing it probably leads to bottled up frustrations and then really wrong kinds of sex. Well, I guess SM and so on can be a bit fun, but I do think it is better without those kinds of games.

I guess I am quite openminded on the matter ;) Anyone who would like to share how they keep their sexual energies flowing, in a marriage and so on? I am quite curious on the subject. Seems very hard to keep loving one person for so many years. At least in every sense of the word.

spiraltrance
20-08-2007, 11:39 AM
I actually cant really sleep well without a good wanking :rolleyes:

Like 99.9% of other people. What you don't realise is your sexual desire is like any other desire be it for drugs, alcohol or food. Your body and mind is heavily addicted to the escapism sex brings. This addiction can be transcended but it takes a huge, huge amount of willpower probably more than it would take to kick something like heroin.

tejas
20-08-2007, 02:07 PM
Like 99.9% of other people. What you don't realise is your sexual desire is like any other desire be it for drugs, alcohol or food. Your body and mind is heavily addicted to the escapism sex brings. This addiction can be transcended but it takes a huge, huge amount of willpower probably more than it would take to kick something like heroin.

The techniques of enlightenment are many. Ive tried the no wanking thing, after a while you do get over the desire but then life gets boring!

Personally I think that you should keep everything in balance, not be celebate but not be a nympho or whatever. "The middle way" as it were.
After all, with old age the desire disappears naturally anyway.

I think that a lot of the 'don't look at women in a sexual way' thing can be highly disruptive for your own sexuality. I speak from personal experience, being once a fundamentalist christian I found that I felt bad everytime i had a 'sinful' thought and thus my relationships with the opposite sex, erm suffered.

It's natural, but like anything should be handled with balance. Transcendence would be nice though seeing as ALL sexuality is based on the idea of replication, i.e the survival-reproduce agenda , but then every human action is based somehow on the subconscious drive to better ones own survival so that leaves us back in square one.

Interestingly alot of occult practises involve the retention of the semen at the point of orgasm. Sex-magick i think it is called, why its spelt 'magick' Ill never kniow.

kblood
20-08-2007, 02:16 PM
Like 99.9% of other people. What you don't realise is your sexual desire is like any other desire be it for drugs, alcohol or food. Your body and mind is heavily addicted to the escapism sex brings. This addiction can be transcended but it takes a huge, huge amount of willpower probably more than it would take to kick something like heroin.

Oh, I do realise. When I get depressed I simply cant do it. When I get too focused on some girl or actually fall in love. Love is a hard thing though. Trying to be friends with everyone is nice and feels good, but sometimes you simply just get more work done when you dont get disturbed by the presence of others. Socialising is important as well of course. When I do have a girlfriend (yea, did happen a few times;)), I usually dont do it as much, to savor it :)

I guess I sometimes see it as getting back in touch with my body. Works quite a lot better than medications as I see it. Therefore it is also very similar to drugs, just in a better way as I see it. Quite important to know your body and how it reacts as I see it. Our curiosity helps us to need to learn about ourselves, and our fear then keeps us from just having sex with every person we feel attracted to. In between there is a quite nice balance, that is very hard to find.

kblood
20-08-2007, 02:19 PM
Oh, and I also believe that no wanking = small penis :p Think about that before you tell your kids that it is wrong. If you get embarresed about it as a kid already, it will become a frustration in the long run of some kind. The Victorian ages did seem to prove this. Sex was something everyone shunned in public. Everyone had to cover their body and skin. Behind the public facade though... :rolleyes:

dondaz
20-08-2007, 02:40 PM
Seems very hard to keep loving one person for so many years. At least in every sense of the word.

Been with my partner over 10 years and things have got better. Three kids later and I believe it will continue to do so for many decades to come.

What a wonderful world:)

binhdinh_khiwarrior
20-08-2007, 03:01 PM
he's right. it is your prenatal Qi (this energy you get from God/before ur born).

bigus_dickus
20-08-2007, 03:06 PM
i am an unending source of semen. if you keep yours to yourself, that means more women for me and a brand new world of little bigus dickuses :)

watch a movie titled "samsara" if you get a chance, it's a nice one.

spiraltrance
20-08-2007, 03:10 PM
he's right. it is your prenatal Qi (this energy you get from God/before ur born).

Does this Prenatal Qi rejuvenate itself or is there a finite amount you'll have over your life?

binhdinh_khiwarrior
20-08-2007, 04:45 PM
well it sorta seems to work like this...

we get pre natal qi before we're born, and it is the most nourshing of all the qi in the body. I believe it is not so much that there is a finate amount that we make, rather a finate amount that we can make within the time allowed (our lifespan), so the taoists say "well, then lets collect, refine and store it"
which became the practise of Nei Kung (or internal alchemy). so theorectically if you develope this qi,make it stronger, and keep it, your life span should increase (that's where i think the whole thing of people living to 700 in the bible comes from). but i suppose it's only worth practising if your gonna go all the way and try for immortality-which apparently isn't that easy (lol) but i suppose you could just live a bit longer, that's not so bad is it?

spiraltrance
20-08-2007, 05:52 PM
Ok cool. Incidently where does this leave women? Like I've always personaly thought that celebacy won't bring the benefits or the 'accumulation of gold' for women like it does for men because they don't have semen to begin with unless a man puts it in them.

lifeofbrian
20-08-2007, 06:06 PM
every sperm is sacred - YouTube

notaslave
20-08-2007, 08:14 PM
Ok cool. Incidently where does this leave women? Like I've always personaly thought that celebacy won't bring the benefits or the 'accumulation of gold' for women like it does for men because they don't have semen to begin with unless a man puts it in them.

not quite semen (http://www.the-clitoris.com/f_html/ejacula.htm)

bicycle
20-08-2007, 08:20 PM
I think we need Fantana for some no nonsense advice:D

chris
20-08-2007, 09:44 PM
I think we need Fantana for some no nonsense advice:D

He's probably out having a wank

whitenight639
20-08-2007, 10:07 PM
how has this turned into a thread about the pros and cons of frequent masterbation??

who needs fantana hes probably say somthing along the lines of..
yer i used to masterbate but then my mum explained to me that Heavilly mussled hero type guys dont wank over the cartoon channel i changed my ways and went in search of a HMHTG guru, I came to the end of my quest when I found him he was big and strong,




http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/sn2004112323360000004426m/sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/fight/pict/200411/im00004426.jpg i grew to love this man (in a non gay way) and he taught me how to hold 2 girls hands in one night, now i got game and theres no looking back.

jessop
20-08-2007, 10:48 PM
just goes to show, its not just the illuminati that we are enslaved by..... The physical body we inhabit (at least in its current state) and its impositions upon us, conflicting desires vs needs, its fragility and susceptibility to suffering... its more of a prison on consciousness than any new world order.

Who wants to be immortal if it means an existence of self deprivation. Surely if things were right, there would be no such impositions upon any consciousness.

my thruppence,
peace all :D

narcolepticwatchman
20-08-2007, 10:59 PM
I see. Very interesting -

Also according to Taoist philosophy if you manage to have intercorse with over 10 women while retaining your semen you become immortal

For the benefit of science and science alone I'm hoping on testing this hypothesis :)


If thats true I'm immortal then! I have retained (not through choice :D) with 4 different women this year alone.........too much information???:D:D

Does it still apply when there have been copious amounts of alcohol consumed beforehand??? :D:D:D

danielg
20-08-2007, 11:10 PM
The idea is meant to be that, by mastering the reflexes and muscles that cause ejaculation, they can have orgasms without shooting their load.. and have as many orgasms as woman have. Theres a book by Mantak Chia called the multi-orgasmic man that is based loosely on taoist teachings that teaches the technique.

revolutionary_jam
21-08-2007, 12:09 AM
Is this basically saying that wanking is bad?

yeh unless someone is doing it for u,

so compassionate of you to share such a valuable fluid with them :P

fantana
21-08-2007, 12:12 AM
I hope you can all appreciate the importance of this article and can see the value in why I myself do not have a girlfriend. Although I have, we held hands and she even let me touch her in a womans specail place where no man can touch unless she completely trusts him, her hair. I was looking to pick out her nits. I've heard they have hair on other bodily places, but after many, many hours of video research I came up with a blank, no pun intended.

in some people makes them only view women as something to look at and gurgle over.

I pity those poor fools. Women are useful for a variety of mundane mindless tasks which HMHTs such as myself are too busy to perform. Or often get scolded, in the case of ironing.

tinmenace
21-08-2007, 01:01 AM
:D You trip me out!

roxanna222
21-08-2007, 02:07 AM
I guess every drop counts. On both sides both men and women. But girls if given a choice or opportunity then swallow. Its good for you. Same goes to men.

kblood
21-08-2007, 08:04 AM
I guess every drop counts. On both sides both men and women. But girls if given a choice or opportunity then swallow. Its good for you. Same goes to men.

lol :) Being male and not gay I guess I will just skip trying that, but guess it could be true. All this makes me want to go find a good warm woman again :) I am currently talking with one these days though, and she is kind of tender. Not one you would want to do a rush on :o Dunno if I can get myself to come on to someone else though, but I might try.

Hmmm... I always get too personal on these matters :p Guess the title does warn about this thread being a bit adult though.

To get back to the post. Is it saying that seemen is good for trees and stuff as well? Anyone seen the soutpark episode where they make "seamen", but mix it up with "seemen", and end up making a small ecosystem with merfolk in an aquarium? South Park really cracks me up sometimes :D

kblood
21-08-2007, 09:18 AM
not quite semen (http://www.the-clitoris.com/f_html/ejacula.htm)

Such a nice link :) Some of the stuff I didnt know about women. Thanks for sharing :D

tejas
21-08-2007, 12:25 PM
just goes to show, its not just the illuminati that we are enslaved by..... The physical body we inhabit (at least in its current state) and its impositions upon us, conflicting desires vs needs, its fragility and susceptibility to suffering... its more of a prison on consciousness than any new world order.

Who wants to be immortal if it means an existence of self deprivation. Surely if things were right, there would be no such impositions upon any consciousness.

my thruppence,
peace all :D

Well said.

tejas
21-08-2007, 12:27 PM
If thats true I'm immortal then! I have retained (not through choice :D) with 4 different women this year alone.........too much information???:D:D

Does it still apply when there have been copious amounts of alcohol consumed beforehand??? :D:D:D

I'm afraid my freind it means 10 women all in the same sitting!

Keep up the hard work though, I sure as hell intend to!

chris
21-08-2007, 03:06 PM
I always wondered what it meant when someone 'Had the X-Factor' now I know...

whitenight639
21-08-2007, 06:42 PM
Such a nice link :) Some of the stuff I didnt know about women. Thanks for sharing :D

its a bit sad that i followed that link and even sadder that iv read that page before!

narcolepticwatchman
21-08-2007, 08:48 PM
I'm afraid my freind it means 10 women all in the same sitting!

Keep up the hard work though, I sure as hell intend to!

Damn...:D

Who wants to live forever anyways?? (said in a non Freddie, and non ghey way)

lookfar
21-08-2007, 09:15 PM
its a bit sad that i followed that link and even sadder that iv read that page before!

Hey whitenight, why is it "sad" that you followed that link?;):rolleyes: There's some important information there that everyone should be aware of IMO, lol!!:p I'm going back to check it out in more depth, hehe!!;)

binhdinh_khiwarrior
22-08-2007, 01:44 PM
[QUOTE=spiraltrance;102934]Ok cool. Incidently where does this leave women?

woman can gain prenatal qi through sex, i have started to wonder wether that is why woman live alittle longer than men, about 5 years...

kblood
22-08-2007, 02:12 PM
its a bit sad that i followed that link and even sadder that iv read that page before!

Always nice to know more :) I did know about these things, just not why. Always wondered what it was all about. I try not to be with more than 2 women each year, but it just isnt easy getting a good relationship with a good woman, if you dont dare go out and get to know them ;)

I try to get a good balance in my own life, so I have more to offer, should I find a nice woman to share it with. I think many can relate to this?

My point though, is what I thought this post was about, that it is part of our bodys balance to keep your fluids moving :rolleyes:. Look at how castrated animals change their behavior. Same can be said for us I think, when it isnt about having kids, it might not seem as fun.

Anyone know wether monks have some rules about these things? Im thinking about himalayan monks and so on, that lives in mountains and all that. Do they just stay "pure" or is it part of what they do? I never understood why some try to not think about and avoid sex in general for several years after the teenage years.

kblood
22-08-2007, 02:16 PM
woman can gain prenatal qi through sex, i have started to wonder wether that is why woman live alittle longer than men, about 5 years...

I think women simply got higher expectaitions from sex than men. As a man it is easier to get orgasm, afaik. Women might get several, but smaller ones. I think there are several "levels" of orgasms... so without knowing what prenatal qi really is, I would dare claim that men can get this as well. Maybe if we try this "X-Factor" thing :)