BNP - Adapt or Die

[wise haven]

Faced with a £70 million legal team at the ECHR the BNP may have to do a tactical withdrawal in order to win against the fascist government and it's taxpayer funded agencies.

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/09/the-bnp-will-have-to-adapt-or-die-warns-party-leader/

The British National Party will have to adapt to the undemocratic Orwellian ‘equality laws’ with regards to party membership criteria, or it will die, party leader Nick Griffin warned in reaction to today’s court hearing brought by the Commission for Equality & Human Rights (CEHR).

“The CEHR move is a deadly serious threat to our very existence,” Mr Griffin said in a statement this evening. He pointed out that the severe danger to the party was illustrated by the fact that the court ordered the BNP to pay the costs of today’s hearing — which amount to thousands of pounds — and yet nothing had been decided.

To pursue the case all the way to an appeal in the House of Lords could cost the party more than a million pounds, he continued. This would effectively strip the party of its ability to fight the next general election.

Even though the outcome of the case is still undecided, Mr Griffin said that whatever the court might decide, “the forthcoming Equality Bill will, in any case, simply and unavoidably ban any political party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity.”

The entire court case is therefore pointless even from the CEHR’s position, and is clearly designed only to bleed the party of its funding.

Mr Griffin said any decision on amending the BNP’s constitution in this matter would “stick in the craw of all dedicated nationalists” but that it was a choice of “evolving and living to fight another day or going down in a blaze of glory.”

[anthony65]

Will this mean the end of the SNP and plaid cymru?

[wise haven]

Will this mean the end of the SNP and plaid cymru?

Don't think so because as far as I know they don't have an "ethnicity" bar on their memberships.

[anthony65]

Don't think so because as far as I know they don't have an "ethnicity" bar on their memberships.

So the BNP do?

I thought they had black members? At least there were stories of different people supporting the BNP.

What is the ethnicity bar on the BNP?

If the SNP can be a Scottish Nationalist Party without an ethnicity bar then so can the BNP. This sounds like a puffed up martyrdom story. I noted that there were no details as to exactly what the issue was or what was required of the BNP.

More details would be appreciated. :)

[wise haven]

As I understand it;

The position the BNP takes is that they are an association that caters to the needs of their own ethnic community and can "limit" membership to a defined ethnic group much the same as, for example, among thousands of others, the Black Police Officers association. Organisation like this can "legally" discriminate because their specific purpose is to provide for a defined ethnic community and therefore can limit membership and also discriminate (legally) when employing people to run their associations.

I think there is confusion with membership and voting public - Anyone can vote for the BNP but membership is limited by criteria (apparently legal for the last 26 years)

I don't agree with it BTW, just posting comment :)

[anthony65]

As I understand it;

The position the BNP takes is that they are an association that caters to the needs of their own ethnic community and can "limit" membership to a defined ethnic group much the same as, for example, among thousands of others, the Black Police Officers association. Organisation like this can "legally" discriminate because their specific purpose is to provide for a defined ethnic community and therefore can limit membership and also discriminate (legally) when employing people to run their associations.

I don't agree with it BTW, just posting comment :)

Thanks.

This is new to me.

How do they define this ethnicity?

Who says that white is white?

Who saw the picture of Beckham's youngest in a space suit.

Victoria is shade darker than white, but what about the boys? Could they join the BNP? Could Victoria? Would she want to? Would they want her? :p

[minton]

This does seem like a politically motivated move against the BNP, but even if they were forced to open membership of their party to all, I can't imagine there would be a large queue of black and asian people wanting to join them.

Also, there are plenty of organisations within society which have exclusive membership rules, surely if one organisation is forced to have more open membership rules then that leaves the door open for others to have their exclusive membership rules challenged.

I doubt that the Commission For Equality & Human Rights would be in any rush to challenge these other organisations' membership rules though, in the way they have challenged the BNP's membership rules.

I await the CEHR challenge to the Royal Family's membership rules next!

[grachtengordel]

bnp are sad, futtbucking turds that are just jealous that black men have bigger penis than them

[wise haven]

Thanks.

This is new to me.

How do they define this ethnicity?

Who says that white is white?

Who saw the picture of Beckham's youngest in a space suit.

Victoria is shade darker than white, but what about the boys? Could they join the BNP? Could Victoria? Would she want to? Would they want her? :p

How do they define ethnicity? I have no idea and to me this policy has been the biggest flaw in the BNP ideology and it would do them no harm to change it "for real".

I can understand them standing up for the indigenous pre-existing (incidentally white) population because they have been marginalised by Multi-culturalism and actively discriminated against so they do need a voice. But they have bitten off their nose by not allowing non "native" members.

To me it isn't about ethnicity but mindset - if people wish to become British citizens by all means do so but don't try to re-create their country of origin on British soil......cos you are gonna piss off the original inhabitants.

Anyhow, Britain is full - it can't sustain itself agriculturally in the production of food and access to education, housing or medical care and this is a disaster in the making......maybe that was the plan. If Britain becomes interdependent, especially for food, it will be politically vulnerable and risks losing sovereignty - whether we are in the EU or not. Food has always been an excellent weapon.

[kanz]

bnp are sad, futtbucking turds that are just jealous that black men have bigger penis than them

LOL I don't even know where to begin on this sentance.

[george tatum]

The BNP are lovely people. They spread peace, joy and love throughout our wonderful country.

I personally love to bum Nick Griffin on a regular basis.

This is such a good forum.

[bendoon]

They are just trying to bankrupt them thats all, can't have a party that doesn't toe the NWO line gaining in popularity can we.

Sad day really because once you deny people a democratic voice the only option left is a violent uprising, maybe thats what they want though.

[george tatum]

They are just trying to bankrupt them thats all, can't have a party that doesn't toe the NWO line gaining in popularity can we?

Sad day really because once you deny people a democratic voice the only option left is a violent uprising, maybe thats what they want though.

Yes we can! We've already had bloody loads of them - People hated the Bush administration!

Let's have a violent uprising too! It's about bloody time we all went mad and destroyed things. I'm bloody bored of all this hippy rubbish.

[deem]

Back to the two horse race. Looks like most people prefer thier fachism hidden under the disguise of 'democrasy' whatever that means.:D

[teardropexplodes]

and you're all falling for this little stageshow hook, line and sinker :D

[bendoon]

and you're all falling for this little stageshow hook, line and sinker :D

Grow up man, are you really that stupid.

Wheres the court case against the Greens, Lib Dems, UKIP, Sinn Fein, SNP, Plaid ? When did they try to bankrupt any other party ? When else do they have hired goons protesting outside another parties gathering like they did at the BNP's RWB festival ?

[teardropexplodes]

Grow up man, are you really that stupid.

Wheres the court case against the Greens, Lib Dems, UKIP, Sinn Fein, SNP, Plaid ? When did they try to bankrupt any other party ? When else do they have hired goons protesting outside another parties gathering like they did at the BNP's RWB festival ?

Grow up man, are you really that stupid.

Wheres the court case against the Greens, Lib Dems, UKIP, Sinn Fein, SNP, Plaid ? When did they try to bankrupt any other party ? When else do they have hired goons protesting outside another parties gathering like they did at the BNP's RWB festival ?

Oh dear. Is that really worthy of a response? :)
So, let's get this straight. You think because the legal system is attacking them for their "white"-only policy that this makes them a good party?
I know plenty of absolute bastards and scumbag organisations which have been attacked by the legal system and the zionist-controlled media.
That doesn't automatically make them worthy of my support though!
The problem is that you've invested your support into this political party and you cannot see the darkness around them. It would break your ego to have to admit it. It's the same reason these bloody morons vote labour every sodding election, all their lives. They've invested in them and they're blind. It's blind faith.
You think that because MI5 sets up counter-operations such as AFA and UAF that this makes BNP any less controlled opposition? You've fallen into their trap. Hook, line and sinker :)
It's all part of the smokescreen. All part of the divide and conquer. Wakey-wakey.
Do DAvid Icke followers really need to have this explained??

[bendoon]

Do DAvid Icke followers really need to have this explained??

You haven't explained why only the BNP gets this treatment, from the entire establishment, media and political spectrum.

Why are they singled out for such attacks from every apparatus of the state ?

If the entire system is so against them then they must be doing something that goes against the grain.

Your position seems totally illogical because if they lose this case they will be bankrupted, the NWO just doesn't go to such lengths to destroy something that it created for its own benefit.

[teardropexplodes]

You haven't explained why only the BNP gets this treatment, from the entire establishment, media and political spectrum.

Why are they singled out for such attacks from every apparatus of the state ?

If the entire system is so against them then they must be doing something that goes against the grain.

Your position seems totally illogical because if they lose this case they will be bankrupted, the NWO just doesn't go to such lengths to destroy something that it created for its own benefit.

BNP have co-opted the nationalist movement and pushed it towards a more zionist agenda, in the same way the zionists supported the apartheid regime of south africa. In the same way they supported the ANC on the "opposite" side.
The media and the mainstream politicians denounce them with as much vitriol as possible, knowing full well this will drive the disenfranchised white english towards them and away from the genuine solutions -- away from the truth.
BNP are not dangerous to the NWO agenda ... they're a dream ticket for the hegelian dialectic strategy employed by our enemies. Their message is a bunch of tired old rhetoric, mashed in with a load of lies and complete and utter crap.
Listen to what David ICke says and you'll hear the real dangerous, subersive message of unity. That's what they fear most. But they don't have to worry about us uniting. We prove to them again and again that we are the dumb cattle they think we are.

[bendoon]

BNP have co-opted the nationalist movement and pushed it towards a more zionist agenda,

Wrong, you made that allegation before and you copied some lies from some UAF type web site to try and prove it but you were shot down. In fact every single policy they have is against the Zionist agenda.

in the same way the zionists supported the apartheid regime of south africa. In the same way they supported the ANC on the "opposite" side.

Wrong again, the zionists did not support the apartheid regime it was them who wanted it ending because apartheid is the exact opposite of the Zionist multicult agenda.

BNP are not dangerous to the NWO agenda ... they're a dream ticket for the hegelian dialectic strategy employed by our enemies.

Why are they trying to bankrupt them and shut them down then, you never did answer that one.

Their message is a bunch of tired old rhetoric, mashed in with a load of lies and complete and utter crap.

Tell me one lie they have told and I will prove it wasn't a lie, in fact they are the only party that says anything truthfull whatsoever.

[free thinker]

What are the odds on these being treated the same as the BNP


Black Police Association
Black Londoners Forum
Black Information Link
Operation Black Vote
Muslim Council of Britain
Black Heritage Organisation
The Voice - newspaper
Board Of Deputies of British Jews
Jewish Telegraph
The Black Police association
Black people's mental health association
Black and Asian therapists online
National BME mental health network
Federation of Black housing organizations
The Black Londoners forum
Positive action in Housing
Asianfaces.co.uk,Asian modelling service
Society of Black lawyers
Society of Asian lawyers
BlackLawyersDirectory.com
asianjobsite.co.uk
BlackandAsiangrad.ac.uk
Ethnic media Group
Al-Nisa Muslim Women's Group
Al-Nur Muslim Women's Association
Antrim Chinese Community Association
Barnardos Chinese Lay Health Project
Chinese Welfare Association
BlackBritain.co.uk
EthnicBritain.co.uk
Sussex Black police Association
The National Black Writers and Artist Association
Black students Association
UK Black teachers Association
Black UK online
UK Asian business directory
Asian People's Disability alliance
Asian arts agency
Black Enterprise awards
BlackEngineer.com
Natwest Bank (Asian Entrepreneurs Unit)
Asian Voice
Black training and enterprise group
UK Black Pride
Ethnic Minority Foundation
Oshwal Elderly Welfare Association
Ethnic Minority and Black Regional Action for Community Empowerment (EMBRACE)
Black and Minority Ethnic Elders Group
Latin American elderly project
The Black Fundraisers Network
Black Arts Alliance
Southall Black Sisters Black student union
Dudley Black regeneration council
Black Professional Events
Black Health Agency
National Association for the advancement of Black people
African Caribbean Development agency (ACDA)
African caribbean education and training services (ACETS)
Afrik-African International Network
Asian mens group
Somerset Black development agency (SBDA)
Black families education support group

[anthony65]

Wrong, you made that allegation before and you copied some lies from some UAF type web site to try and prove it but you were shot down. In fact every single policy they have is against the Zionist agenda.

Wrong again, the zionists did not support the apartheid regime it was them who wanted it ending because apartheid is the exact opposite of the Zionist multicult agenda.

Why are they trying to bankrupt them and shut them down then, you never did answer that one.

Tell me one lie they have told and I will prove it wasn't a lie, in fact they are the only party that says anything truthfull whatsoever.

Did Israel and South Africa collaborate in the building / testing of nuclear weapons?

There are many reports that they did.

Zionists will employ whatever strategy fits their own aims.

Israel is an apartheid state.

[teardropexplodes]

Wrong, you made that allegation before and you copied some lies from some UAF type web site to try and prove it but you were shot down. In fact every single policy they have is against the Zionist agenda.


OK. Go to Nick's terribly-written "essay" (if he loves Britain so much perhaps he should learn to write good English to inspire his bootboy brownshirts).
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/01/%E2%80%9Cisrael%E2%80%99s-gaza-affair%E2%80%9D-by-bnp-leader-nick-griffin/
Analyse his message. Then READ the hundreds of comments from the rank-and-file membership, all of them PRO-ISRAEL/ANTI-ISLAM. Why does Nick refuse to condemn the zionist holocaust? All I hear from him is hatred for the VICTIMS of the genocide. WHY? Look at the image with the article... crazed Hamas gunmen? Where are the dismembered Palestinian women and children?? It's all very subtle, like our zionist-controlled media. Can you seriously tell me BNP is not wholeheartedly against our zionist controllers? The murderous SCUM who actually RUN this global criminal operation we're fighting? Convince me. Give me some evidence that they're awake to this. Claiming that they're going to send the darkies back does not count, btw. Neither do a few lame soundbites about a vague credit crunch and "banker bailouts".

How about this from BNP's legal director:-


what Israel is doing now in Gaza, is the same military process that every single nation on earth has to take in order to reclaim its territory back from Islamist insurgents or radical terrorist movements and militias.

It is the war of the future. Get used to the casualties - for without them any nation so infected with Islamism will surrender, rot away into liberal apathy and then dies as it is taken over.

The US has refused to allow Israel to go and attack Iran with military force.

Therefore if Israel cannot contain Iranian military influence in the region by smashing its nuclear weapons programme then it will extirpate its terrorist proxy armies on its borders - therefore it has to smash Hamas in Gaza


source:
http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/01/real-situation-in-gaza-and-israel.html

BNP TWISTING REALITY AS THEY ALWAYS DO. WAKE UP, BOY. Palestinians at this moment are fighting for their lives and their nation, opposing international Zionism, fighting the scum behind the curtain of Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Feminism, Humanism, Mulitculturalism, Political Correctness, Capitalism, Globalism, Internationalism and all the other evil and pernicious ideologies and philosophies. You'll always find a Talmudic AshkeNazi funding and cajoling. Nick wants us to ignore it. It's none of our business. But what this Zionist Stooge Gri££in doesn’t tell you is the same people who are carrying out this barbaric assault against the Palestinians are the same people who are running Britain and American media, politics, arms trade, pharmacology/eugenics and financial system. Who did Mandelson meet with during his holidays? Some powerful Arab oil magnate? Or could it have been David Geffen and Nat Rothschild? And what do they all happen to have in common? Show me where BNP explains this to their followers. I'm tired of reading anti-islamic hatred from them. It's such a bloody obvious smokescreen and you idiots who support them have to WAKE UP. Whilst real nationalists are trying to get on with dealing with pressing issues, all Gri££in can do is fabricate wild fantasy stories about militant Islamics taking over the world. So now it's the fault of Moslems and Islam and they, not the Zionist Talmudic Jews, want to take over the world! Nice shift away from the true enemies of mankind.


Wrong again, the zionists did not support the apartheid regime it was them who wanted it ending because apartheid is the exact opposite of the Zionist multicult agenda.

You're showing your ignorance here, fella, as anthony has already pointed out.
Remember David Kelley? He was working with South Africa and Israel to fashion a lovely little bio-weapon which would target muslims and blacks. He was writing a book exposing the whole sick game before mossad took him out.
Israel was always close to the apartheid regime. When the civilised world was placing embargoes on them Israel happily supplied them with weaponry including nuclear weapons. This is because they were both white European invaders into foreign black lands and both operated a policy of racist segregation. The zionists themselves are racist to the core and segregation and division is their best friend. You think they aim to create a multicultural paradise in the UK by encouraging immigration here? They want chaos and division, and BNP are quite happy to help them by stirring it up and telling us Islam is trying to take over the world and that it's all about white versus black. They are two sides of the same coin. Listen to David Icke. Unite against our common foe.


Why are they trying to bankrupt them and shut them down then, you never did answer that one.


It's a stage show. By attacking them they lend them great credibility amongst the disenfranchised. It's working with you. How could BNP not be telling the truth about the global Islamic conspiracy when they're being assaulted so violently by the zionist-controlled media?!? They've done this throughout history. They paint swastikas on their own doors to give the impression of persecution. They create false flag terror for the same reason -- to twist our reality and draw us into pointless conflict. They won't finish off the BNP. In ten years they'll still be there, leading the nationalists like sheep down a blind alley.


Tell me one lie they have told and I will prove it wasn't a lie, in fact they are the only party that says anything truthfull whatsoever.

4 British muslims killed 56 people on 7/7. 19 hijackers who couldn't even pilot Cessnas brought down 3 of the WTC skyscrapers and attacked the pentagon on 9/11. These are the biggest, most obscene lies told by our zionist controllers in the past century. Just read their site and it's one big lie. It's like reading the Daily Mail. They ignore certain things while emphasising others. Any stupid thing said or done by a crazy, likely MI6/mossad-handled imam is reported. But there's no hardcore journalism digging deep down this rabbit hole.

[wise haven]

Looks like the Globalists have boobed yet again. Their attempt to use the ECHR legal action to take down the BNP has failed again.

As you see from this article and from the comments posted this will probably result in yet another jump in BNP membership as those who were ethnically barred and those who wouldn't join because of conscience regarding the same will now feel able to join.
Many people with BNP sympathies will now feel able to publicly support or seek membership because the supposedly racist barrier has now been lifted.

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Sikh Friends of the BNP; Sikh Friends of the BNP Advises On Muslim Issues Part 1/2 - YouTube

http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2009/09/good-time-to-join-british-national.html

By Finlandia

Somewhere in a pile of papers on my living room table is an application form for membership of the British National Party. It has been there for months, and every so often I seek it out, look at it, and agonise a little more – Should I join, or shouldn't I? What will happen if I do? Should I keep it secret from friends and family? Could membership threaten my livelihood?

To patriots who have already committed themselves to membership of the BNP, such questions may seem faint-hearted, even downright wimpish. But in the present climate of officially sanctioned persecution of the party and its members, who would deny a newcomer the right to a little caution?

The latest attack on the BNP by the Equality and Human Rights Commission – which is a tentacle of the Labour government's ever more powerful and pervasive organism of propaganda and control – is clever, and calculated to destroy the party either by bankrupting it or by fomenting potentially deadly internal discord. However, in my opinion the leadership's decision to accede to overwhelming legal pressure is the right one, not just for practical reasons, but because it will bring about a clarification of the party's position on race, which in my opinion is long overdue.

Hostile commentators have often noted, with a measure of glee, that certain individuals connected with British nationalism have foreign spouses, or family members from ethnic minorities, as if such relations in some way negated their legitimate concerns for the condition of the nation. But the fact is that such intermixing has rarely been problematic where the numbers are small, which is to say that until quite recently the British (who despite extreme provocation are still the most tolerant people on earth) have always successfully absorbed modest influxes of immigrants and refugees, and indeed have been especially receptive to the cultural contributions of newcomers.

One of my closest relatives is of mixed race, a proud former soldier who many times risked his life for his country. I find it impossible to conceive of him, and other ethnic or part-ethnic patriots like him, as anything other than British, so successfully have they integrated into our society. I believe that some such individuals may be sympathetic to the broad objectives of the British National Party (it is well-known, for example, that long-established ethnic minorities are amongst the most vociferous opponents of uncontrolled mass immigration). But even if they are not, the lifting of the stigma of ”discrimination” – which will be one of the consequences of this legal action – should help to disarm the BNP's enemies and encourage potential friends.

Opponents of nationalism always ignore the fact that our concern as nationalists is not with race per se, but with the overwhelming numbers that threaten to transform our society beyond recognition within a few short generations. Every grain of good sense tells us that the reckless and indiscriminate immigration policies enforced by successive Labour and Conservative governments bring terrible dangers to civil society, and to the lives of the descendents of native British people, who may come to find themselves dominated by incomers in a land that they thought was their rightful heritage. We do not need to look as far as the Middle East, Africa or Asia to see the strife and bloody violence that can arise when established and imported sub-groups compete for political control and access to scarce economic or natural resources: we need only look across the Irish sea.

As long as there are racially motivated organizations such as the EHRC trying to batter native British people into submission at every opportunity, it is reasonable that we Brits should seek to organize in defence of our own interests, just as countless ethnic minority advocacy organizations do. Most of those organizations are no less political than the BNP: the main difference is that whereas they are officially sanctioned and funded, the BNP relies on the generosity of its own supporters.

I believe that the present position of the BNP leadership is both pragmatic and positive. Pragmatic, because it will allow the party to focus on the essential business of building support, influence and power, rather than becoming embroiled in a lengthy and debilitating legal battle; and positive, because it will allow the party to constructively review the status of potential supporters amongst the ethnic minorities: those established and integrated citizens who recognize the importance of defending the indigenous cultures, traditions and peoples of these islands.

[bendoon]

Israel is an apartheid state.

True, amazing how the Zionists are trying to force every one but them to be multicultural.

http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/01/real-situation-in-gaza-and-israel.html


Lee Barnes is not a spokesman for the BNP, he is a failed lawyer but unfortunately because the BNP don't have the same funding as Nu Labor or the Cons he is the best they can afford, he has his own blog which he writes what he wants the same as you write what you want here.

Listen to David Icke. Unite against our common foe.


Britain and Europe have 2 common foes the Zionists who want to rule over us and the Muslims who want to colonise us and breed us out of existence. The Zionists are aiding and abbetting the Muslims in their goals because it broadly matches their own, the total extermination of white Europeans.

Unlike you and Anthony I realise the dual threat.

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Don't you think the bigots are looking tired?

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Unless it’s love and peace that we’re really fighting for
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Put down the arms and raise your voice
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We can be heroes, just go on and say

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[bendoon]

[Don't you think the bigots are looking tired?[/COLOR][/I]

Don't you just know when someone has nothing worthwhile to say they just call people childish names.

[redskywalker]

don't you just know when someone has nothing worthwhile to say they just call people childish names.

boo hoo

[armoured_amazon]

Thanks.

This is new to me.

How do they define this ethnicity?

Who says that white is white?

Who saw the picture of Beckham's youngest in a space suit.

Victoria is shade darker than white, but what about the boys? Could they join the BNP? Could Victoria? Would she want to? Would they want her? :p

Hehehe :D

[teardropexplodes]

Unlike you and Anthony I realise the dual threat.

Congrats on your selective reply and ignoring of my points.
Discussion terminated prematurely as usual with your lot.

[bendoon]

Congrats on your selective reply and ignoring of my points.
Discussion terminated prematurely as usual with your lot.

You didn't really say anything you haven't said before at least 10 times that hasn't been replied to at least 10 times.

Even if Griffin was assasinated and you saw the Mossad do it with your own eyes you would still call him a Zionist.

So anyway whilst you and the UAF or whoever are attacking NG the Zionists and the LibLabCons march on unopposed.

[wise haven]

You didn't really say anything you haven't said before at least 10 times that hasn't been replied to at least 10 times.

Even if Griffin was assasinated and you saw the Mossad do it with your own eyes you would still call him a Zionist.

So anyway whilst you and the UAF or whoever are attacking NG the Zionists and the LibLabCons march on unopposed.

I wouldn't bother Bendoon, all you are arguing with is someone with an "entrenched" mindset that cannot compute or accept new or contradictory information.

They work on black and white belief systems and can't understand subtle shades.

Nationalist = Nazi

Immigration = Racist

When I sit in a cafe rolling a cigarette sometimes staff will come over and tell me I can't smoke in here.
I tell them I'm not smoking but rolling. They don't get it - their reality is based on ASSumption - rather than fact. :)

[bendoon]

Well I have reservations about NG myself and believe it or not I have never voted for them, I have never even registered to vote. But barring some intervention by God himself I think that the BNP are the only shot we have at the moment of at least putting a dent in the present control system.

All this talking about "black and white unite" to defeat the NWO is just that, all talk, a pipedream, its never happened before and it will never happen in the future. When times get tough people always retreat to their own clan, always have and always will. The only way to defeat them is for each country to go its own way and pull out of it and that can only happen with a Nationalist Government.

[wise haven]

Well I have reservations about NG myself and believe it or not I have never voted for them, I have never even registered to vote. But barring some intervention by God himself I think that the BNP are the only shot we have at the moment of at least putting a dent in the present control system.

All this talking about "black and white unite" to defeat the NWO is just that, all talk, a pipedream, its never happened before and it will never happen in the future. When times get tough people always retreat to their own clan, always have and always will. The only way to defeat them is for each country to go its own way and pull out of it and that can only happen with a Nationalist Government.

I'm not a fan of NG either - but that applies to virtually every politician I know of apart from Ron Paul.
I think the EDL thing is probably a controlled/COINTELPRO type operation designed to stir up and muddy the waters.
I think people with common values will group together and this won't be dependent on race but humanity and intelligence.
We do need a Nationalist government - same as all countries around the world. However, it needs to be GOOD nationalism or BIG FAMILY and not the bad examples we have seen in the past (Nazi Germany).
We need to pull back from Globalism - and start reclaiming sovereignty. That way we can work towards getting our own bits of geographical real estate, cultures and society sound and secure so we can then make peace with our neighbours.

I voted for the BNP in the EU elections because their ethnicity policy, as it was, was irrelevant at the European level of government. I would not have voted for them in a general election because their race/ethnicity policy would have been in their manifesto and effective within the UK.
Now they have changed their ethnicity bar I can, in good conscience, vote for them in the coming general election. I may even consider membership. I will keep a good eye on them and if they continue to evolve, in good faith, towards a non ethnically determined party I may vote for them.
I suspect there are hundreds of thousand of Brits who think the same, including those who were previously barred by ethnicity. Fact is they may have a rush of membership applications that they can't handle.........as long as they are genuine.

[teardropexplodes]

You didn't really say anything you haven't said before at least 10 times that hasn't been replied to at least 10 times.


You ignored all of my points, bendoon. Your silence speaks volumes to the readers of this forum.
You asked me for one lie told by the BNP. You gave me your word you would disprove it. I gave you two of the biggest Zionist lies of this century so far which are wholly endorsed & propagated by this disgusting party which you claim is fighting our zionist controllers!
Come on, lad! Prove to me they have some real balls.


Even if Griffin was assasinated and you saw the Mossad do it with your own eyes you would still call him a Zionist.


LOL. I could say this about any politician. Even if Brown was assassinated by mossad.... It's meaningless because it hasn't happened and it will not happen.
I gave you hundreds of pro-zionist comments on a pro-zioinist article from the pen of Gri££in. You've given me nothing but his possible assassination by Mossad. This is getting absurd :D


So anyway whilst you and the UAF or whoever are attacking NG the Zionists and the LibLabCons march on unopposed.

You lump me in with that MI5 operation, the UAF. Why? I despise them as much as the BNP. I despise all the mainstream parties. Is that so hard to grasp? You twist everything. While YOU support the BNP the Zioinist march on unopposed. The BNP support all the BS & lies. The hate for Islam, the old straw man argument. The muslims keep blowing us up. Forget the fact that they were mossad operations. Let's blame islam in the name of a glorious greater israel.
Join the side of light... it's not too late.

[teardropexplodes]

I wouldn't bother Bendoon, all you are arguing with is someone with an "entrenched" mindset that cannot compute or accept new or contradictory information.


Which information would this be???


They work on black and white belief systems and can't understand subtle shades.


I have NO belief system. You are the ones with this. You are the ones defending one political party over another.
You're utterly blinkered.


Nationalist = Nazi

Immigration = Racist

When I sit in a cafe rolling a cigarette sometimes staff will come over and tell me I can't smoke in here.
I tell them I'm not smoking but rolling. They don't get it - their reality is based on ASSumption - rather than fact. :)


I hate Islam. I'm a nationalist/libertarian. I'm against mass immigration. I'm also utterly against the BNP.
This obviously "does not compute" with you sheeple.
If you attack BNP you must be a dribbling liberal who daren't discuss immigration, nationalism etc.
This is the false left/right paradigm in operation and you have fallen victim. The mainstream parties soak up the vast majority who see themselves as left or right and then these fringe MI5 operations mop up the stragglers and keep them from the truth.

[bendoon]

4 British muslims killed 56 people on 7/7. 19 hijackers who couldn't even pilot Cessnas brought down 3 of the WTC skyscrapers and attacked the pentagon on 9/11. These are the biggest, most obscene lies told by our zionist controllers in the past century. Just read their site and it's one big lie. It's like reading the Daily Mail. They ignore certain things while emphasising others. Any stupid thing said or done by a crazy, likely MI6/mossad-handled imam is reported. But there's no hardcore journalism digging deep down this rabbit hole.

I suppose these are the lies you say I ignored ?

Well Griffin knows the score on those events don't you worry, but like Ron Paul he has to keep quiet on such things unfortunately or they would get like 1% of the votes instead of 10%. He even says that in the vid posted by Anthony. So rather than being pro Zionist he is just keeping quiet on such matters to have a chance in the electoral process, not ideal I agree but just a sad fact of life in Britain today where most of the population are fast asleep.

The mainstream parties soak up the vast majority who see themselves as left or right and then these fringe MI5 operations mop up the stragglers and keep them from the truth.

You have an egotistical view of your own truth.

How do you know that you are not influenced by an "MI5 op", you don't.

You present no workable solution yourself and join the establishment anti BNP bandwagon, I would say that you are no better than the UAF.

[teardropexplodes]

I suppose these are the lies you say I ignored ?

Well Griffin knows the score on those events don't you worry, but like Ron Paul he has to keep quiet on such things unfortunately or they would get like 1% of the votes instead of 10%. He even says that in the vid posted by Anthony. So rather than being pro Zionist he is just keeping quiet on such matters to have a chance in the electoral process, not ideal I agree but just a sad fact of life in Britain today where most of the population are fast asleep.


and they're going to remain asleep until people start speaking out. but we'll never hear the truth from bnp because it would shatter their worldview and their zionist position on islam would fall apart. so you're telling me griffin thinks the 7/7 bombers were set up?
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/nodarkthings/bnp1.jpg
http://bnp.org.uk/organisers/store/leaflets/national_leaflet_islam.pdf
you're discredited. the zionist bnp is discredited. they're pedaling the same position on this as the establishment. actually, they're even more vehement than the establishment. how dare you accuse me of joining the establishment bandwagon by criticising this nasty party? you sound ridiculous.


You have an egotistical view of your own truth.

How do you know that you are not influenced by an "MI5 op", you don't.


how? because i don't follow a party infiltrated by MI5. i don't support any organisations because currently there are none who speak for me. some of what i've heard from brian gerrish and the british constitution group sound interesting though. you want solutions, start looking in that direction. you say i present no workable solutions? how do you know what i believe???


You present no workable solution yourself and join the establishment anti BNP bandwagon, I would say that you are no better than the UAF.
[/quote]

ah... so i have to be either with the bnp or with the establishment?
if you criticise bnp you are automatically as bad as the UAF?
sigh.
this gets more and more retarded :)

[bendoon]

they're pedaling the same position on this as the establishment. :)

So are you, more so than them.

Islam is a bigger threat to Britain because we can eventually get rid of the NWO but once the Muslims are in a majority thats it there is no going back.

[teardropexplodes]

So are you, more so than them.

Islam is a bigger threat to Britain because we can eventually get rid of the NWO but once the Muslims are in a majority thats it there is no going back.

don't worry, i don't think that's going to happen. we're slaughtering them on a truly industrial scale. in the name of those false flag terror attacks. there's more of those coming too. what will the bnp be saying then? round up the dirty terrist muslims.

thanks again for ignoring the rest of my post.

[elton]

When I sit in a cafe rolling a cigarette sometimes staff will come over and tell me I can't smoke in here.
I tell them I'm not smoking but rolling. They don't get it - their reality is based on ASSumption - rather than fact. :)

I own a cafe and if I saw you doing that I'd politely do the same to avoid a problem later if you did light up - and if you gave me a smarmy answer like that I'd make sure there was some piss in your coffee when it came. Don't underestimate cafe staff - they do it every time to smartass customers like you.

[harry_88]

OK. Go to Nick's terribly-written "essay" (if he loves Britain so much perhaps he should learn to write good English to inspire his bootboy brownshirts).
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/01/%E2%80%9Cisrael%E2%80%99s-gaza-affair%E2%80%9D-by-bnp-leader-nick-griffin/
Analyse his message. Then READ the hundreds of comments from the rank-and-file membership, all of them PRO-ISRAEL/ANTI-ISLAM. Why does Nick refuse to condemn the zionist holocaust? All I hear from him is hatred for the VICTIMS of the genocide. WHY? Look at the image with the article... crazed Hamas gunmen? Where are the dismembered Palestinian women and children?? It's all very subtle, like our zionist-controlled media. Can you seriously tell me BNP is not wholeheartedly against our zionist controllers? The murderous SCUM who actually RUN this global criminal operation we're fighting? Convince me. Give me some evidence that they're awake to this. Claiming that they're going to send the darkies back does not count, btw. Neither do a few lame soundbites about a vague credit crunch and "banker bailouts".

How about this from BNP's legal director:-



source:
http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/01/real-situation-in-gaza-and-israel.html

BNP TWISTING REALITY AS THEY ALWAYS DO. WAKE UP, BOY. Palestinians at this moment are fighting for their lives and their nation, opposing international Zionism, fighting the scum behind the curtain of Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Feminism, Humanism, Mulitculturalism, Political Correctness, Capitalism, Globalism, Internationalism and all the other evil and pernicious ideologies and philosophies. You'll always find a Talmudic AshkeNazi funding and cajoling. Nick wants us to ignore it. It's none of our business. But what this Zionist Stooge Gri££in doesn’t tell you is the same people who are carrying out this barbaric assault against the Palestinians are the same people who are running Britain and American media, politics, arms trade, pharmacology/eugenics and financial system. Who did Mandelson meet with during his holidays? Some powerful Arab oil magnate? Or could it have been David Geffen and Nat Rothschild? And what do they all happen to have in common? Show me where BNP explains this to their followers. I'm tired of reading anti-islamic hatred from them. It's such a bloody obvious smokescreen and you idiots who support them have to WAKE UP. Whilst real nationalists are trying to get on with dealing with pressing issues, all Gri££in can do is fabricate wild fantasy stories about militant Islamics taking over the world. So now it's the fault of Moslems and Islam and they, not the Zionist Talmudic Jews, want to take over the world! Nice shift away from the true enemies of mankind.



You're showing your ignorance here, fella, as anthony has already pointed out.
Remember David Kelley? He was working with South Africa and Israel to fashion a lovely little bio-weapon which would target muslims and blacks. He was writing a book exposing the whole sick game before mossad took him out.
Israel was always close to the apartheid regime. When the civilised world was placing embargoes on them Israel happily supplied them with weaponry including nuclear weapons. This is because they were both white European invaders into foreign black lands and both operated a policy of racist segregation. The zionists themselves are racist to the core and segregation and division is their best friend. You think they aim to create a multicultural paradise in the UK by encouraging immigration here? They want chaos and division, and BNP are quite happy to help them by stirring it up and telling us Islam is trying to take over the world and that it's all about white versus black. They are two sides of the same coin. Listen to David Icke. Unite against our common foe.



It's a stage show. By attacking them they lend them great credibility amongst the disenfranchised. It's working with you. How could BNP not be telling the truth about the global Islamic conspiracy when they're being assaulted so violently by the zionist-controlled media?!? They've done this throughout history. They paint swastikas on their own doors to give the impression of persecution. They create false flag terror for the same reason -- to twist our reality and draw us into pointless conflict. They won't finish off the BNP. In ten years they'll still be there, leading the nationalists like sheep down a blind alley.



4 British muslims killed 56 people on 7/7. 19 hijackers who couldn't even pilot Cessnas brought down 3 of the WTC skyscrapers and attacked the pentagon on 9/11. These are the biggest, most obscene lies told by our zionist controllers in the past century. Just read their site and it's one big lie. It's like reading the Daily Mail. They ignore certain things while emphasising others. Any stupid thing said or done by a crazy, likely MI6/mossad-handled imam is reported. But there's no hardcore journalism digging deep down this rabbit hole.

Well said.

[teardropexplodes]

Well said.

too difficult to form a coherent reply to, apparently :(

[harry_88]

Remember David Kelley? He was working with South Africa and Israel to fashion a lovely little bio-weapon which would target muslims and blacks. He was writing a book exposing the whole sick game before mossad took him out.


This is news to me, can you elaborate on this?

[snapdragon]

This is news to me, can you elaborate on this?

I'm astonished by how little people on here know!
Dr David Kelly was a microbiologist specialising in chemical and biological warfare. He then repented and was killed.

[harry_88]

I'm astonished by how little people on here know!
Dr David Kelly was a microbiologist specialising in chemical and biological warfare. He then repented and was killed.

Sorry I'm a newbe, I knew something but not about the specifics mentioned by teardropexplodes.

[wise haven]

I own a cafe and if I saw you doing that I'd politely do the same to avoid a problem later if you did light up - and if you gave me a smarmy answer like that I'd make sure there was some piss in your coffee when it came. Don't underestimate cafe staff - they do it every time to smartass customers like you.

So telling someone telling you "politely" that you are not smoking is enough to warrant pissing in their coffee - boy you are a fucked up individual if that is how you react......if a customer doesn't leave a tip do you get the knives out. Seems you just categorized all cafe staff as moronic children......I'm sure you have just pissed off a lot of decent intelligent workers with your "view" of life.
No wonder the planet is messed up and full of hate if people get so uptight over little things. That is what the NANNY state creates....people focused on pettiness and escalating situations into disproportionate responses. Road rage, cafe rage - a seething mass population on the verge of genocide waiting to flip and commit violence on the smallest pretext.
People need to start developing a sense of perspective......BIG things require a BIG response (You know...taking away our human rights). But no, you feel powerless and unable to stop the BIG things so you react to the small things with a BIG response - to get some gratification and feel empowered. The reality is that you have been conditioned and controlled - and don't have the guts or determination to face the REAL important things in life.

Go ahead, spend the rest of your life pissing in peoples coffee - I hope it makes you feel better.

Your solution creates conflict.....because of ASSumption.

[wise haven]

Which information would this be???



I have NO belief system. You are the ones with this. You are the ones defending one political party over another.
You're utterly blinkered.




I hate Islam. I'm a nationalist/libertarian. I'm against mass immigration. I'm also utterly against the BNP.
This obviously "does not compute" with you sheeple.
If you attack BNP you must be a dribbling liberal who daren't discuss immigration, nationalism etc.
This is the false left/right paradigm in operation and you have fallen victim. The mainstream parties soak up the vast majority who see themselves as left or right and then these fringe MI5 operations mop up the stragglers and keep them from the truth.

You don't fucking listen or read do you?

Just because someone DOESN'T trash something doesn't mean they support it. More ASSumption.

Just because someone OPENS up debate on a subject doesn't mean they support it.

You have listened to years of MSM propoganda and based your opinion on that rather than EXAMINING the facts. Just like Pavlov's dogs; you salivate and bark everytime the BNP is mentioned......pure emotional conditioning.

I could just as easily vote for the BNP as not vote for it - my options remain open because I didn't close my mind years ago.....ever heard of evolution?

[teardropexplodes]

You don't fucking listen or read do you?

Just because someone DOESN'T trash something doesn't mean they support it. More ASSumption.

Just because someone OPENS up debate on a subject doesn't mean they support it.

You have listened to years of MSM propoganda and based your opinion on that rather than EXAMINING the facts. Just like Pavlov's dogs; you salivate and bark everytime the BNP is mentioned......pure emotional conditioning.

I could just as easily vote for the BNP as not vote for it - my options remain open because I didn't close my mind years ago.....ever heard of evolution?


don't take that fucking tone with me you.
ASSumption? MSM propaganda? I have never in my life read MSM. Haven't had a TV nor taken a newspaper in years. I get all my info from "alternative" sources, Icke included. Don't care if it sounds corny but Icke is my hero. His message of unity and his scorn for the divisive tactics used by the talmudic agents chimes with me completely. If you don't like it then fuck off to the BNP forums.
I pointed out that BNP peddles the MSN propaganda regarding the MI5/Mossad bombings and blames it on the islamic patsies.. uses it as an excuse for their zionist agenda. And YOU have the gall to accuse ME of "ASSumption"?! LOL. You racist scum can never address the issues. You come back with one sentence remarks or personal attacks which utterly side-step the point at hand.
I get angry at ANY source which peddles that utter fucking bullshit zioinist propaganda. New Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, BNP, Daily Mail, BBC... the odds are so heavily stacked against us. We have to fight them all at every corner.
The fact that many on here seem to consider BNP kosher means they attract more vitriol than the mainstream 3. Because no one here is stupid enough to support them. I happen to believe BNP are just as dangerous as all other parties. It's not my problem if you're blinded by your programming.
There's not a snowball in hell's chance I will vote for those disgusting, lying sacks of shit. the madrid, 7/7, 9/11, bali etc bombings are were biggest most evil false flag operations ever carried out and any institution which uses them to justify their agenda is to me by definition working for the enemy of humanity. And we all know on here who they are. THey are the lynchpin on which the final march to a police state swings. You may not believe the crackpot conspiracy theories but to me they represent the fundamental key to the nightmare facing us.
There's a big biological or nuclear false flag right around the corner. I feel it in my bones. We're going to need everyone sharp and awake. The last thing we need is this bunch of bog-eyed goons stirring up the cauldron and sidetracking decent nationalists down blind alleys, screaming it's the muslims what done it again.

Unlike you, I'm not scared to say my options remain CLOSED. NO ONE is saying what I believe. I am not prepared to compromise, even in the face of armageddon.

[analog]

I dont agree with this, I detest the BNPs belief but if they only want to have Anglo-Saxons as there members it is there right.

[smoky]

don't take that fucking tone with me.
ASSumption? MSM propaganda? I have never in my life read MSM. Haven't had a TV nor taken a newspaper in years. I get all my info from "alternative" sources, Icke included. Don't care if it sounds corny but Icke is my hero. His message of unity and his scorn for the divisive tactics used by the talmudic agents chimes with me completely. If you don't like it then fuck off to the BNP forums.
I pointed out that BNP peddles the MSN propaganda regarding the MI5/Mossad bombings and blames it on the islamic patsies.. uses it as an excuse for their zionist agenda. And YOU have the gall to accuse ME of "ASSumption"?! LOL. You racist scum can never address the issues. You come back with one sentence remarks or personal attacks which utterly side-step the point at hand.
I get angry at ANY source which peddles that utter fucking bullshit zioinist propaganda. New Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, BNP, Daily Mail, BBC... the odds are so heavily stacked against us. We have to fight them all at every corner.
The fact that many on here seem to consider BNP kosher means they attract more vitriol than the mainstream 3. Because no one here is stupid enough to support them. I happen to believe BNP are just as dangerous as all other parties. It's not my problem if you're blinded by your programming.
There's not a snowball in hell's chance I will vote for those disgusting, lying sacks of shit. the madrid, 7/7, 9/11, bali etc bombings are were biggest most evil false flag operations ever carried out and any institution which uses them to justify their agenda is to me by definition working for the enemy of humanity. And we all know on here who they are. THey are the lynchpin on which the final march to a police state swings. You may not believe the crackpot conspiracy theories but to me they represent the fundamental key to the nightmare facing us.
There's a big biological or nuclear false flag right around the corner. I feel it in my bones. We're going to need everyone sharp and awake. The last thing we need is this bunch of bog-eyed goons stirring up the cauldron and sidetracking decent nationalists down blind alleys, screaming it's the muslims what done it again.

Unlike you, I'm not scared to say my options remain CLOSED. NO ONE is saying what I believe. I am not prepared to compromise, even in the face of armageddon.

LOL, Great post!

[song_of_susannah]

Adapt or die... how about just die.

[dalsar]

Faced with a £70 million legal team at the ECHR the BNP may have to do a tactical withdrawal in order to win against the fascist government and it's taxpayer funded agencies.

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/09/the-bnp-will-have-to-adapt-or-die-warns-party-leader/

The British National Party will have to adapt to the undemocratic Orwellian ‘equality laws’ with regards to party membership criteria, or it will die, party leader Nick Griffin warned in reaction to today’s court hearing brought by the Commission for Equality & Human Rights (CEHR).

“The CEHR move is a deadly serious threat to our very existence,” Mr Griffin said in a statement this evening. He pointed out that the severe danger to the party was illustrated by the fact that the court ordered the BNP to pay the costs of today’s hearing — which amount to thousands of pounds — and yet nothing had been decided.

To pursue the case all the way to an appeal in the House of Lords could cost the party more than a million pounds, he continued. This would effectively strip the party of its ability to fight the next general election.

Even though the outcome of the case is still undecided, Mr Griffin said that whatever the court might decide, “the forthcoming Equality Bill will, in any case, simply and unavoidably ban any political party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity.”

The entire court case is therefore pointless even from the CEHR’s position, and is clearly designed only to bleed the party of its funding.

Mr Griffin said any decision on amending the BNP’s constitution in this matter would “stick in the craw of all dedicated nationalists” but that it was a choice of “evolving and living to fight another day or going down in a blaze of glory.”

Can somebody sumarize this text, its early, and am tired to read lol, can somebody summerize the above text please... wud appreciate :)

[boy better know]

Boy better know this is a chilling development. If they can do this to the BNP, what's to stop them doing it to a trade union, or any kind of group who's views run against the government?

[eternal_spirit]

What are the odds on these being treated the same as the BNP


Black Police Association
Black Londoners Forum
Black Information Link
Operation Black Vote
Muslim Council of Britain
Black Heritage Organisation
The Voice - newspaper
Board Of Deputies of British Jews
Jewish Telegraph
The Black Police association
Black people's mental health association
Black and Asian therapists online
National BME mental health network
Federation of Black housing organizations
The Black Londoners forum
Positive action in Housing
Asianfaces.co.uk,Asian modelling service
Society of Black lawyers
Society of Asian lawyers
BlackLawyersDirectory.com
asianjobsite.co.uk
BlackandAsiangrad.ac.uk
Ethnic media Group
Al-Nisa Muslim Women's Group
Al-Nur Muslim Women's Association
Antrim Chinese Community Association
Barnardos Chinese Lay Health Project
Chinese Welfare Association
BlackBritain.co.uk
EthnicBritain.co.uk
Sussex Black police Association
The National Black Writers and Artist Association
Black students Association
UK Black teachers Association
Black UK online
UK Asian business directory
Asian People's Disability alliance
Asian arts agency
Black Enterprise awards
BlackEngineer.com
Natwest Bank (Asian Entrepreneurs Unit)
Asian Voice
Black training and enterprise group
UK Black Pride
Ethnic Minority Foundation
Oshwal Elderly Welfare Association
Ethnic Minority and Black Regional Action for Community Empowerment (EMBRACE)
Black and Minority Ethnic Elders Group
Latin American elderly project
The Black Fundraisers Network
Black Arts Alliance
Southall Black Sisters Black student union
Dudley Black regeneration council
Black Professional Events
Black Health Agency
National Association for the advancement of Black people
African Caribbean Development agency (ACDA)
African caribbean education and training services (ACETS)
Afrik-African International Network
Asian mens group
Somerset Black development agency (SBDA)
Black families education support group
Is there any groups for whites?

[yozhik]

bnp are sad, futtbucking turds that are just jealous that black men have bigger penis than them

Is that confirmed in their manifesto?

[teardropexplodes]

Is there any groups for whites?

Bilderberg seems to be quite a white organisation and you don't get much more elite than that.
Besides, this argument is bankrupt. It's a subtle zionist game of divide and rule. If they think race-specific membership is distasteful then why are they doing the same? Why don't they open up to all races and decry the black-only ones from a position of moral integrity? Or do they have nothing against racist membership rules? If so then they should shut up and get on with their disinfo operation.

[yozhik]

I own a cafe and if I saw you doing that I'd politely do the same to avoid a problem later if you did light up - and if you gave me a smarmy answer like that I'd make sure there was some piss in your coffee when it came. Don't underestimate cafe staff - they do it every time to smartass customers like you.

So, let me get this right.

If you saw someone ROLLING A CIGARETTE, you would ask them to stop ROLLING a cigarette because the cafe was a smoke free zone?

Do you not think smokers KNOW THIS????

Smokers have had it rammed down their throats for God knows how long now, so yeah ... smokers "get it".

I wonder why you even bothered going into the service industry with an attitude like that.
Mind you, having experienced so called "customer service" in the UK, compared to some places elsewhere in the world; I can't say I'm surprised.

Remember the expression; "the customer is always right"?
Look down your street - how many cafes are within a 10 minute walk?
You need your customers more than they need you.

[yozhik]

You don't fucking listen or read do you?

Just because someone DOESN'T trash something doesn't mean they support it. More ASSumption.

Just because someone OPENS up debate on a subject doesn't mean they support it.

You have listened to years of MSM propoganda and based your opinion on that rather than EXAMINING the facts. Just like Pavlov's dogs; you salivate and bark everytime the BNP is mentioned......pure emotional conditioning.

I could just as easily vote for the BNP as not vote for it - my options remain open because I didn't close my mind years ago.....ever heard of evolution?

The true status of evolution was summed up in a single statement by one of our so called "world leaders" ...

"You're either with us ... or you're for the terrorists ..."

Not only does this give a snapshot of where the programmed masses sit along the evolutionary time-line, it also encapsulates that binary mentality you are referring to. If you don't support it; you're against it. Black or white, when most complex issues are based more on a full grey scale spectrum.

... and strike down any one who asks questions or raises concerns ... what the hell is this world coming to??? Asking questions??? What next? Expectations of worthwhile and respectful debate?????

[yozhik]

Is there any groups for whites?

That's racist.
:rolleyes:

[yozhik]

Bilderberg seems to be quite a white organisation and you don't get much more elite than that.
Besides, this argument is bankrupt. It's a subtle zionist game of divide and rule. If they think race-specific membership is distasteful then why are they doing the same? Why don't they open up to all races and decry the black-only ones from a position of moral integrity? Or do they have nothing against racist membership rules? If so then they should shut up and get on with their disinfo operation.

You're just taking the piss now, right?
So the pro-white group you FIRST think of is the Bilderberg group?

... and are you stating that the pro-race groups that have been listed are racist, but the BNP is the one group that has to take the moral high ground and NOT join the list of pro-race groups ... ummmm ... why?

Oh that's right, because its part of the "Zionist, divide and rule game".

OK ... then why aren't you on your hobby horse about the list of pro-race groups that have been named?

Instead of bleating and whining about the BNP group; IF the "Zionist divide and rule game" really is your concern, which you make it out to be ... then why not back up your convictions by arguing against the listed groups, rather than sweeping them under the carpet and returning your attention back to the BNP?

I don't comprehend where you're coming from ... seems a little inconsistent to me.

[eternal_spirit]

That's racist.
:rolleyes:
Sure is when white people have groups but not racist when other races have groups :rolleyes:oh the irony!

[teardropexplodes]

You're just taking the piss now, right?
So the pro-white group you FIRST think of is the Bilderberg group?

... and are you stating that the pro-race groups that have been listed are racist, but the BNP is the one group that has to take the moral high ground and NOT join the list of pro-race groups ... ummmm ... why?

Oh that's right, because its part of the "Zionist, divide and rule game".

OK ... then why aren't you on your hobby horse about the list of pro-race groups that have been named?

Instead of bleating and whining about the BNP group; IF the "Zionist divide and rule game" really is your concern, which you make it out to be ... then why not back up your convictions by arguing against the listed groups, rather than sweeping them under the carpet and returning your attention back to the BNP?

I don't comprehend where you're coming from ... seems a little inconsistent to me.

You completely missed my point.
Listen to what I asked.
Is the BNP in favour of race-specific membership criteria?
Answer: yes. Because they themselves operate such a policy.
Question: Why then do they decry these black-only organisations?
The answer should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Seems there are many here without the sophistication of a baked bean.
BNP and anyone who supports them have no right to complain about race-specific organisations when they themselves support one.
That's not so difficult to understand is it?
Me, I'm philosophically against the concept, whether it's black-only or white-only.
The idea is evil when you understand that, as David Icke says, your race is simply a genetic program which anchors consciousness into this illusion. Consciousness has no race. You don't like that idea then sod off to the white-only BNP forum and have a good old whinge about how islam is taking over the world.

[yozhik]

You completely missed my point.
Listen to what I asked.
Is the BNP in favour of race-specific membership criteria?
Answer: yes. Because they themselves operate such a policy.
Question: Why then do they decry these black-only organisations?
The answer should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Seems there are many here without the sophistication of a baked bean.
BNP and anyone who supports them have no right to complain about race-specific organisations when they themselves support one.
Ok ... thank you for confirming.
You ARE taking the piss.

BNP do not "decry these other black organisations".
Whenever I have seen a clip of this very same question being put to Nick griffin, all he has been asking for is "equality".
He has stated that if those groups are allowed to exist, for the promotion of the groups they represent, then why are they not allowed to have a white group, for the promotion of white issues?

That's not "decrying"; its actually supportive of those groups.
It's saying ... "ok - we can understand your desire to have a pro group for that community sector ... we can respect that right, as long as you respect our right to have one too".

They don't complain about the existence of the other groups per se; they complain about the hipocracy of the existence of those other groups, when they are not allowed to exist for the benefit of the white English population.

If those groups are legitimised, then so should the pro-White group be.
If the pro-white group is not permitted, then any group formed on racial or ethnic grounds should similarly be outlawed and banned.

Quid pro quo.

That's not so difficult to understand is it?

[dogsmilk]

Ok ... thank you for confirming.
You ARE taking the piss.

BNP do not "decry these other black organisations".
Whenever I have seen a clip of this very same question being put to Nick griffin, all he has been asking for is "equality".
He has stated that if those groups are allowed to exist, for the promotion of the groups they represent, then why are they not allowed to have a white group, for the promotion of white issues?

That's not "decrying"; its actually supportive of those groups.
It's saying ... "ok - we can understand your desire to have a pro group for that community sector ... we can respect that right, as long as you respect our right to have one too".

They don't complain about the existence of the other groups per se; they complain about the hipocracy of the existence of those other groups, when they are not allowed to exist for the benefit of the white English population.

If those groups are legitimised, then so should the pro-White group be.
If the pro-white group is not permitted, then any group formed on racial or ethnic grounds should similarly be outlawed and banned.

Quid pro quo.

I don't think the BNP are comparable to black organisations insofar as black organisations in the UK aren't political parties whose aim is to control the country.
Nick Griffin is on the record as saying the BNP have modified their public stance to get themselves elected whilst inwardly retaining the core beliefs we all know. But if enough people are naive enough to believe their PR or are into that NS crap, I guess we'll ultimately get what we deserve.

[rydeon]

I don't think the BNP are comparable to black organisations insofar as black organisations in the UK aren't political parties whose aim is to control the country.
Nick Griffin is on the record as saying the BNP have modified their public stance to get themselves elected whilst inwardly retaining the core beliefs we all know. But if enough people are naive enough to believe their PR or are into that NS crap, I guess we'll ultimately get what we deserve.

The UK already has what it deserves with the current bunch of loonies in power who I wouldn't have in charge of a village fete.

Some black organisations ARE out to control and are anti-white.
One that leaps to mind is the Nation of Islam. You'll quickly find they espouse beliefs that whites are blue-eyed devils and are considered a 'mutant race' among other delightful thoughts.
So in that way totally incomparable to the BNP :)

[dogsmilk]

The UK already has what it deserves with the current bunch of loonies in power who I wouldn't have in charge of a village fete.

Some black organisations ARE out to control and are anti-white.
One that leaps to mind is the Nation of Islam. You'll quickly find they espouse beliefs that whites are blue-eyed devils and are considered a 'mutant race' among other delightful thoughts.
So in that way totally incomparable to the BNP :)

However shit the current shower of bastards are, that doesn't mean 'alternatives' are necessarily preferable. Though I take the point that we've already got what we deserve.
I said black organisations in the UK. Though the NOI aren't a political party, or they weren't last time I looked. I agree they're lunatics. Lunatics that are rather similar to their pro-segregationist white supremacist counterparts in the Aryan Nations or whoever.
The blunt fact is that in the UK the far right are just not going to get elected sticking to the old school NF style platform. They know this.