Do you smoke weed?

[oneup]

I've noticed that relatively a lot of people on this forum are weed smokers.
I wonder if there is some kind of correlation between smoking weed and being 'awake' (or however you call it).

[oneup]

My own vote went to 'Yes, but only in the weekends.'
Because I love weed, but smoking it every day (I used to) drains my energy. And it's expensive.

[separ]

Smoking weed can show you what you would normally overlook. When high, I'm fully aware of who's open and who's closed. I notice the clairsentients and see the programmed automotons (the two categories are poles apart). I also recognise the very grounded and centred people.
However these days I use it only very occasionally. Don't really need it anymore.

[unusual_suspect]

I used to smoke it as a social thing, then one day I realsied that I really didn't like the feeling of being stoned and stopped smoking it - no sir, i dont like it!

[michael christopher]

Yes. :cool:

I really see no problem with it. My life has only gotten better since I started.

[spock]

you need to ask also about smoking sativa or indica.
sativa is normal cannabis.
indica is skunk and will make you insane. :D

[drhemp]

I voted 'No. Drugs are bad.' :D

[oneup]

Smoking weed can show you what you would normally overlook. When high, I'm fully aware of who's open and who's closed. I notice the clairsentients and see the programmed automotons (the two categories are poles apart). I also recognise the very grounded and centred people.
However these days I use it only very occasionally. Don't really need it anymore.

I absolutely recognise that!

I voted 'No. Drugs are bad.' :D
Then maybe you should change your nickname :D

[meksar]

Weed is more likely to cause people to wake up because of the petty laws which are upheld and the childish propaganda used to justify these laws. When you realize the wider reasons for the hemp plant being illegal and the fact the elite are making big bucks from the Afghan poppy fields, you will understand they have no respect for humanity or the earth itself and are shoving a very large penis up your ass.

Weed gives most people a pleasant and peaceful sense of intoxication and it rarely results in mindless fist fights and waking up next to a stranger. Booze is what they want people on as it dumbs people down and is far more addictive and dangerous.

[netta]

No Way.

[not amused]

yes my dear dutch dude. am rolling a doofer right now :D:D I grow my own so its freeeee. and it doesn't lead to hard drugs, been toking for 27 yrs.

[drhemp]

you need to ask also about smoking sativa or indica.
sativa is normal cannabis.
indica is skunk and will make you insane. :D

Oh dear, well I suppose I had better put the record straight, just in case someone reads that and thinks it's true.

Right, here we go again, Sativa and Indica are the two different genetic types of cannabis, you can get strains that are 100% one or the other, some that are partially Indica - mainly Sativa, say 80:20 mix or you can get 50:50.

ah fuck it, I can't be bothered to type, this info is accurate

Marijuana comes in two basic types - sativa and indica. Which type you choose will determine the effects you feel. Each type has its own distinct set of charasteristics.

Sativas are known for their height and their leggy, often sparse, leaves. Sativas can be anywhere from tall and round like a massive bush, to lean and spindly with a few large colas. The leaves - a trademark of the sativa strain - are long and thin. The odor varies with the particular strain that is growing.

The sativa high is often characterized as uplifting and energetic. The effects of a sativa marijuana are mostly cerebral. They give a feeling of optimism and well - being, as well as providing a good measure of pain relief for certain symptoms. A few pure sativas are also very high in THC content. They are known to have a quite spacey, or hallucinogenic, effect. Sativas are a good choice for daytime smoking.

Indicas are known for their smaller stature. They are relatively short and bushy. Some are compact, others are of a more moderate height. Indicas tend to grow wider and rounder than sativas. Many look like small shrubs. Indicas typically grow out many more smaller side colas.

The indica highs are most often described as a pleasant body buzz. Indicas are great for relaxation, stress relief, and for an overall sense of calm and serenity. Marijuana indicas are also very effective for overall body pain relief, and often used in the treatment of insomnia. They are the late - evening choice of many smokers as an all - night sleep aid. A few pure indica strains are very potent in THC, and will cause the "couchlock" effect, enabling the smoker to simply sit still and enjoy the experience of the smoke.

Marijuana strains are available in the entire spectrum from pure sativas to pure indicas, and in every combination in - between. There are 30% sativa - 70% indica strains, there are 80% sativa - 20% indica strains, and many, many 50% - 50% combinations, as well as others.

It takes some time and a lot of experimentation to find the most effective balance for each person, but one thing is for sure - there is a marijuana strain available somewhere that would please any smoker.

Skunk is a name given to a Sensi seed strain, named so because of it's strong smell. The term has since been used by politicians and the compliant media to demonise cannabis.

Contrary to the lies told by our Government, smoking pot will not send you insane (indica or sativa or skunk as a matter of fact).

[mondo23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B91wki_jQf0&fmt=18

[skunksmash]

lol.....

OH YES!! :D




:)sk

[not amused]

well put drhemp, I just couldn't be bothered to go through it either, being stooned does make you lazy

[jammasterj13]

No, but I used to.
Not everyday, but on the weekends, usually after a rave or a house club.
Helped with the comedown off the disco biscuits.

Still have a toot with yogis whenever I go to India. It's very impolite to say no to them, just make sure they haven't mixed in some datura with the ganja in there pipes. Make you insane the datura.:D

Best stuff I ever smoked was in Africa, loved by the sun and simply the best, better than all the rest.

[oneup]

Oh dear, well I suppose I had better put the record straight, just in case someone reads that and thinks it's true.

Right, here we go again, Sativa and Indica are the two different genetic types of cannabis, you can get strains that are 100% one or the other, some that are partially Indica - mainly Sativa, say 80:20 mix or you can get 50:50.

ah fuck it, I can't be bothered to type, this info is accurate



Skunk is a name given to a Sensi seed strain, named so because of it's strong smell. The term has since been used by politicians and the compliant media to demonise cannabis.

Contrary to the lies told by our Government, smoking pot will not send you insane (indica or sativa or skunk as a matter of fact).

So it's not true that sativa=normal cannabis and indica=skunk?
How do I know if I have sativa or indica?
And what exactly is haze then?

[particlepopup]

Me and a friend have the odd one or two in the mornings with a brew of course in the potting shed where we talk about tptb, higher awareness, energy and most recently swine flu vacs, im trying to wake the bugger up you see, im getting there slowly and surely. Then we go and play footie on the xbox for an hour or so. Doesnt sound very harmful does it.........unless your a brain washed elitist nazi ass kissing dictator loving mindless zombie.

[skunksmash]

So it's not true that sativa=normal cannabis and indica=skunk?
How do I know if I have sativa or indica?
And what exactly is haze then?

LOL......we had a chat about this not long ago, didn't we Dr Hemp..??.

I BELIEVE, the difference is ''night & day'' (though they're both Skunk strains)

Sativa = a very headstrong buzz, & it leaves a nasty taste on your tongue (some call it spicy)

Indica = a more full body stone, though still very potent its not so ''in your face'', the taste of good Indica is HEAVEN!!, it has a sweet earthy taste, that's the best way i can describe it.

all of the above is ''IMO'' :D

[drhemp]

So it's not true that sativa=normal cannabis and indica=skunk?
How do I know if I have sativa or indica?
And what exactly is haze then?

In a nut shell, no that's not true.

Often you will not know if you have a Sativa or Indica, a good way to find out is to spark it up. As written above, Indicas tend to be smaller bushier plants.

Haze is Sativa strain from America. Most famous being Neville's Haze, which is lovely ganja.

[martg]

i voted yes, every day at the mo.
sometimes i give up for a few months, for some reason it has to be all or nothing:confused:
I think like all drugs it has it's positives but also some negatives
I did once suffer one fully collapsed and one partially collapsed lung at the same time.
:eek: bit of a close one. ;)

[krakhead]

ah fuck it, I can't be bothered to type, this info is accurate



That's a prime example of the demotivational effects of cannabis if ever I saw it! :D

And 'drugs are bad mmmkay?'

[truthinlove]

i toke every day. manage quite well, thank you.

[not amused]

nothing like being higher than a giraffes arse :p

[bornfree]

No but i used to

Smoked pretty much everything you could think of from sensimilia, lambsbread, thai stick, skunk & bush weed & afghani, morrocan, lebanese, slate including some opiated hashish & a few others.

From the age of 13 in the (very early) 80's all the way through til about 5 years ago. Smoking a minimum 1/4 Oz (7g) a week up to 1 Oz (28g).

I was foolish with it because i was smoking such a volume it stunted my personal development. Now I cant touch the stuff or i get the whites & palpitations. You really can have too much of a good thing...

Still it was fun but it was always better as a compliment to good pills :p

[conviction]

Shit, all i do is smoke weed... but no really. Weed is the reason I found about all this stuff. I would smoke weed and expand my mind by researching and reading. Really broke me through the shackles of enslavement.

I'm in my first year of college so ive been only been smoking on weekends but when i go home for labor weekend im gonna be sparking up alot of doobies.

peace

[hadabusa]

op is teh cia:eek:

i smoke occasionally, nothing against a snort occasionally either.

i stay away from non plant drugs.

switzerland, where the most powerfull weed is made.
may the dutch acknowledge this plz:)

[clint_giles]

i recently quit after smoking for over 23 years of my life,every day

the only reason now that i quit is because of the cost ($180 an once here in ontario)and the simple fact that i could get arrested for growing it.


i do plan on smoking again,just need to afford it thats all,right now my family and i need the money spent on living expenses.

the wife and i have agreed on this together.
until we move to the outer limits of the city where we can grow it in our own backyard or somethng like that,it just does not seem right to spend the money on it ,our kids need it spent on other things now that there growing up so fast....lol

i would love to grow it indoors but my yougest son is to young for me to do so,considering the fact childrens aid society can/and would take him away from us

so right now my option is no........for now!

[metacomet]

Smoking pot everyday is a downhill activity. You need more and more of it to catch a buzz, the tolerance becomes incredible.

Smoking pot once in a while instead of everyday will keep your testosterone levels and other hormones balanced - and you won't have wicked tolerance.

Smoking pot is one of the few things you can smoke which won't crash your testosterone levels - but potheads do it enough that they ruin even that comfort. Smoking everyday plummets their testosterone levels and sends their metabolism through the floor. It's just not good for the spirit.

Most of us who have smoked have done the 'everyday all day' routine and once we clean up for a while we realize how much better it is to do sparingly. Funny thing is, alot of people simply never clean up and if they do, it doesn't cause them to second guess their habit - it simply throws them into withdrawl and they are on a never ending mission to score another stash.

[chattanova]

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[anthony65]

I can't vote on this. There is no option to simply say "No". You have to choose "No, drugs are bad". I just wanted to say no, not my cup of tea.

[revolutionplease]

Hi all been smoking weed for erm wait till i think about this erm em ahhh 16 years and it has nae done anything what so ever to damage my short term memory not much anyway joking a side the only thing that concerns me about weed is the tobacco i use in the two spliffs i have a day .Maybe i should get a pipe or a hubblie bubblie but i may have to get nicotine patches to wean me off the tobacco .:eek: peace people the TRUTH will out :D

[gripit]

Yuppers, every day. Oh, and I drink beer every day too :)

[snapdragon]

I smoke Vasco Da Gama cigars and Wings Vanilla Mini Cigars. I get them cheap from Spain/Gibraltar via the internet. I have seen so many weed smokers go mentally crazy and end up in the gutter with nothing to their name I would not habitually smoke it. I did try some a girlfriend gave me, and it was pleasant, but fine cigars are better.

[redskywalker]

:di voted 'no. Drugs are bad.' :d
:d

[unusual_suspect]

How about a smoking is bad option? Some people just like eating it :D

[chattanova]

Hi all been smoking weed for erm wait till i think about this erm em ahhh 16 years and it has nae done anything what so ever to damage my short term memory not much anyway joking a side the only thing that concerns me about weed is the tobacco i use in the two spliffs i have a day .Maybe i should get a pipe or a hubblie bubblie but i may have to get nicotine patches to wean me off the tobacco .:eek: peace people the TRUTH will out :D

You probably do but always remember to dry the tobacco first to get rid of parfume and other nastiness :cool:

[gripit]

This thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79354) has been made a sticky. It's about the amazing plight of Rick Simpson and how weed oil is the cure for cancer and many other health issues. Please have a look! I've posted the youtubes vids here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1240219&postcount=55).

[adzboarder]

I've smoked weed every day for the last 18 years and never once have I found it addictive. :D

[steevo]

I can't vote on this. There is no option to simply say "No". You have to choose "No, drugs are bad". I just wanted to say no, not my cup of tea.

The poll should be made void cos of this. Or at least is should be changed.

[drhemp]

The poll should be made void cos of this. Or at least is should be changed.

Agreed.

[eternal_spirit]

op is teh cia:eek:

i smoke occasionally, nothing against a snort occasionally either.

i stay away from non plant drugs.

switzerland, where the most powerfull weed is made.
may the dutch acknowledge this plz:)
http://www.marijuanareviews.com/post-pics/greenhouse-ice-006.JPG


Neder hash

Netherlands plants grown there.

http://www.marijuanareviews.com/greenhouse-ice-greenhouse-583.html

[reality man]

I'm not surprised that the poll shows that most folks on here smoke the old wacky backy - It now explains all of the fucking paranoia, crazy madness and limited intellect I have encountered on these forums!

[freethinker]

i have mixed feelings about the stuff, i have lots of friends who smoke it

some of them very sucessful people but mostly it has had a negative effect on the others

one of my friends pretty much lost it completly and needed help
another ended up in prison

i think it can open up area's of you mind and make you very insightful

once you have unlocked i don't think you need to keep taking it

[eternal_spirit]

No, but I used to.
Not everyday, but on the weekends, usually after a rave or a house club.
Helped with the comedown off the disco biscuits.

Still have a toot with yogis whenever I go to India. It's very impolite to say no to them, just make sure they haven't mixed in some datura with the ganja in there pipes. Make you insane the datura.:D

Best stuff I ever smoked was in Africa, loved by the sun and simply the best, better than all the rest.
Datura what does that do? And is it only found in India?

That's cool that a toot is cultural :Dand accepted as normal and the Yogis spiritual too.

[eternal_spirit]

I'm not surprised that the poll shows that most folks on here smoke the old wacky backy - It now explains all of the fucking paranoia, crazy madness and limited intellect I have encountered on these forums!
Nah that's the alcoholics on here. :D

Have you compared a forum with more alcoholics than cannabis users? be an interesting experiment. Hold on BRB I need the loo.

[lakkimakki]

i tried onsce , then my body started throwing that shit out of me...:D

[clozaril]

i think it can open up area's of you mind and make you very insightful

once you have unlocked i don't think you need to keep taking it

agree with that. i used to smoke but haven't touched it for 6 or 7 yrs.

[sarrin]

I'm not surprised that the poll shows that most folks on here smoke the old wacky backy - It now explains all of the fucking paranoia, crazy madness and limited intellect I have encountered on these forums!

Ha yeh I was thinking the exactly same thing. And it doesnt really look good to the outsider.
BUT yeh i love a cheeky toke at the weekends myself :D its better than going out drinking 12pints, passing out in a puddle of your own urine and realising you have caught some rash of some strange whore

[hierophant]

yes, every now and then.

used to smoke quite a lot between 13 and 19. after i finished school i stopped for over 5 years. i've been an occasional smoker for about 2 years now again. really don't regret it!

[metacomet]

http://www.marijuanareviews.com/post-pics/greenhouse-ice-006.JPG


58.2% THC content... omg.

Chronic weed is like 10% at most, for those who need a comparative estimate.

[octopusrex]

Cutting down a bit since I was incarcerated. Fucking Cops. They love the paranoid stuff in weed.

Weed is a truth drug, why the fuck can't they leave us weedies alone?

[adzboarder]

http://www.marijuanareviews.com/post-pics/greenhouse-ice-006.JPG

I've always wondered how they judge the high times cannabis cup, is it the weed that makes you go white and puke up is the winner?

The judging must be SO freaking difficult, you would just be giggling your arse off, how the hell do they do it?

Ah yes, draws well, fruity zing, with an orchard background...

Insane weed in The Nethers, best in the world. :)

[adzboarder]

I'm refusing to participate in the poll as it refers to weed as a "drug". This always pisses me off the way it's lumped in with skag and coke and all that other negative shite.

[beldazar]

Smoking pot everyday is a downhill activity. You need more and more of it to catch a buzz, the tolerance becomes incredible.

Smoking pot once in a while instead of everyday will keep your testosterone levels and other hormones balanced - and you won't have wicked tolerance.

Smoking pot is one of the few things you can smoke which won't crash your testosterone levels - but potheads do it enough that they ruin even that comfort. Smoking everyday plummets their testosterone levels and sends their metabolism through the floor. It's just not good for the spirit.

Most of us who have smoked have done the 'everyday all day' routine and once we clean up for a while we realize how much better it is to do sparingly. Funny thing is, alot of people simply never clean up and if they do, it doesn't cause them to second guess their habit - it simply throws them into withdrawl and they are on a never ending mission to score another stash.

Aye ;)

[energy]

you need to ask also about smoking sativa or indica.
sativa is normal cannabis.
indica is skunk and will make you insane. :D

I agree, sativa gives you a really buzzing high and indica makes you feel super drowsy

[itsallinus]

I've smoked weed every day for the last 18 years and never once have I found it addictive. :D

That is priceless...:D:D

[paradise_1000]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


smoke herb for life

lol got a cannabis warning from the old bill today :confused: makes me lol esp after walking past old bill at carnival burnin and nothing happened grrrr

[angelthecat]

cant vote I'm the one who has never smoked it but,in light of the evidence for medical use, I really dont think it is bad

[devanshoom]

i use weed for meditation and yoga...seems to slow my mind down a bit. I also like to mix it with single but rather large dose of alcohol for a really potent high.......not everyday though cos I gotta work as well...pot makes me lazy and anti social...not good.

Lately I am watching various episodes of mystery science theater after a toke...funny as hell after a joint but without the weed I just dont find it funny. I saw "manos the hand of fate" the other night. Man i just loved the never ending female wrestling scene. Highly recommend mystery science theater to all pot heads out there.

Interesting reading about the different vibes from sativa and indica...i dont even know which one I smoke...just know its grass.

[charas]

I am a stoner.
I can't be bothered to write any etherial mystical shit right now, I just know I love puffin that weed.:D

[jakemaverick]

i used to.....put not for nearly four years now! damn i miss it.....but no life for me anymore!!!

anybody feels like helping me out pls pm....

<read the sig, if u dare!!!>

[kasalt]

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[gripit]

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[brian]

But I definitely advocate it!

My dad, in the few conversations we ever awkwardly had about pot / weed smoking, had laughed when I mentioned the combustion engine that runs on weed that's at the Smithsonian, and the idea that illnesses can be cured with weed. "SURE, ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS WILL BE CURED WITH WEED!"

On a more serious note however,

THERE IS A CAR THAT RUNS ON WEED AT THE SMITHSONIAN!

ADVANCED MEDICINE HAS FOUND LINKS TO CURING CANCER WITH WEED!

HEMP ROPE AND FABRICS ARE STRONGER AND LAST LONGER THAN COTTON!

SMOKING MARIJUANA DOES NOT CAUSE LUNG CANCER!

MARIJUANA DOES NOT CAUSE BRAIN DAMAGE! (As decided by a medical study in 1997)

MARIJUANA REDUCES DEPRESSION INSTANTLY AFTER SMOKING!

It won't cure the world's problems, but it will do a lot more if harvested, than making it illegal and killing it.

[octopusrex]

i used to.....put not for nearly four years now! damn i miss it.....but no life for me anymore!!!

anybody feels like helping me out pls pm....

<read the sig, if u dare!!!>

Hey, Jake.. I read most of your statement. Sorry for your troubles. Does sound to me like you need to leave the place were you are and try to get yourself some real help.

Try:

Commission for Human Rights.

[kanz]

you need to ask also about smoking sativa or indica.
sativa is normal cannabis.
indica is skunk and will make you insane. :D

Think you got them mixed up mate . Bog standard weed will usually be a indica , heavy stone effect ( can flower in about 7-8 weeks , why most dealers grow them).
However a sativa has a much higher thc level and a lower cbd count and takes longer to flower. So chances are unless you got some good conections you won't get a puff of any sativa off the streets .

[kanz]

58.2% THC content... omg.

Chronic weed is like 10% at most, for those who need a comparative estimate.

You should try "budder" i think its called, something along the lines of 95%+

[measle_weasel]

I dont use any drugs.

[truthinlove]

keep the eye candy coming! those buds are gorgeous! i'm a sativa lover myself, as i like a nice clear head high. maui waui, hawaiian haze...something fruity/citrusy. sativas inspire me to do creative things and to be productive. indicas are way too heavy for me on the regular. some are borderline hallucinatory, which i enjoy every so often. but indicas can take over your whole body!

[supertzar]

I think it's funny to call it 'weed.' It kind of subconsciously edits out the fact that it is the oldest and arguably the most widespread and useful cultivated plant on Earth.

[oneup]

I can't vote on this. There is no option to simply say "No". You have to choose "No, drugs are bad". I just wanted to say no, not my cup of tea.

The poll should be made void cos of this. Or at least is should be changed.

Yes, that would have been better. I'm not sure if I can still change the poll.

[oneup]

I'm refusing to participate in the poll as it refers to weed as a "drug". This always pisses me off the way it's lumped in with skag and coke and all that other negative shite.

All psychoactive substances are 'drugs'. even coffee.
It's just the association that you have with that.

[gilly]

I don't smoke weed, but not because I think (all) drugs are bad - so I also couldn't vote.

[oneup]

But I still find the results of this poll highly interesting.
79% of the voters do smoke it or have smoked it during some stage in their lifes.
That makes me conclude that the theory in the OP is indeed true.
It reminds me of something I read on this forum some time ago:


Yes, there is an artical about that maybe on this forum. also Cathy O'Brian, the former MK Ultra style mind control victim. Says, "There's a war on Marijuana, because users are difficult, or not capable of being mind controlled" So, the other harder, less natural substances, such as cocaine, heroin, LSD, ectasy are promoted and more available to the public, which can make people more open to mind control.


But of course the result could be biased, because it would be mostly the smokers that would click on this thread. And for the reason stated in the posts above.

[not amused]

dope will get you through times of no money, better than money in times no dope :) Morning tokers

[jammasterj13]

Datura what does that do? And is it only found in India?

That's cool that a toot is cultural :Dand accepted as normal and the Yogis spiritual too.
Datura is native to India and Central America. It's also called the 'devils weed', its hallucinogenic but its totally different to LSD and mushrooms. There have been many cases of people who have travelled to India for a spiritual awakening and ingested the wrong plant and gone mad for real, wandering around India with not a clue of who or what they are. Datura is not for everybody, if it doesn't like you it will fuck you up, a true entheogen. Scares the hell out of me and with good reason.

Ganja is considered a sacrament with shaivite yogis. They consider it a gift from Lord Shiva to ease the suffering of mankind.(aint that the truth). They'll also tell you not to abuse the plant as it is not meant for smoking all the time. Smoking it all the time you lose the true beauty of the plant and takes you further away from who you are. The opposite of what you are trying to achieve spiritually. The ganja is tolerated openly in India, you will see the cops having a toot with the yogis as well.
Lord Shiva's festival of Mahashivratri is one long day and night of getting high and being merry. A hallucinogenic drink made from ganja, betel leaf, milk,honey called 'Bhang' is made and drunk by all the worshippers including the kids. Nice stuff the Bhang bit sweet for me but has one hell of a kick.
The bhang is made here as well minus the ganja, which sort of misses the point really.

[not amused]

http://www.friendsofcannabis.com/directory/ a quater of U.S. presidents have used marijuana, check out this fun site.

[darreninnz]

Ive been smoking the herb for well over 20 years on a daily basis.I
n fact just started to germinate some 100% sativa femenized seeds today.
The marijuana plant was put on this planet specifically for us to use-- thank you herb aliens.

[oneup]

Ganja is considered a sacrament with shaivite yogis. They consider it a gift from Lord Shiva to ease the suffering of mankind.(aint that the truth). They'll also tell you not to abuse the plant as it is not meant for smoking all the time. Smoking it all the time you lose the true beauty of the plant and takes you further away from who you are. The opposite of what you are trying to achieve spiritually.

Absolutely, I recognize that also.
I believe that is why the plant is so rare when found in it's natural habitat.

[metacomet]

Highly recommend mystery science theater to all pot heads out there.


LOL!

Mystery science theater, I remember that show.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5684529284016066345&ei=78SfSo2wKYScqAPlso2QBw&q=mystery+science+theater&hl=en#

http://janusmuseum.org/panabasis/mstteen.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZDkbR2SJf48/Rurs00IpvZI/AAAAAAAAAXA/_WetiypIXWQ/S660/MysteryScienceTheater.png

[ronisron]

No, but I used to.

I think it just outlived it's usefulness to me. I've eliminated pretty much all drugs and stimulants, including alcohol, caffeine and sugar. Tea, with local made honey and skim milk. That's it right now.

[not amused]

No, but I used to.

I think it just outlived it's usefulness to me. I've eliminated pretty much all drugs and stimulants, including alcohol, caffeine and sugar. Tea, with local made honey and skim milk. That's it right now. wow, :eek: are you a monk ?

[ronisron]

wow, :eek: are you a monk ?

:D

No, and 15 yrs ago, I was dumping more crap into my system than is worth bragging about. It's an entirely new experience for me, and I don't know too many folks who are doing the same thing. It's certainly not a religious conversion or anything like that. I just want to know about sobriety for a while.

[not amused]

:D

No, and 15 yrs ago, I was dumping more crap into my system than is worth bragging about. It's an entirely new experience for me, and I don't know too many folks who are doing the same thing. It's certainly not a religious conversion or anything like that. I just want to know about sobriety for a while. well all the power to you, I'm still abusing my body but nowhere like I did. I don't do junk food though, E numbers and all that, am I going on,must be time for a smoke,

[eternal_spirit]

But I still find the results of this poll highly interesting.
79% of the voters do smoke it or have smoked it during some stage in their lifes.
That makes me conclude that the theory in the OP is indeed true.
It reminds me of something I read on this forum some time ago:

Yes, there is an artical about that maybe on this forum. also Cathy O'Brian, the former MK Ultra style mind control victim. Says, "There's a war on Marijuana, because users are difficult, or not capable of being mind controlled" So, the other harder, less natural substances, such as cocaine, heroin, LSD, ectasy are promoted and more available to the public, which can make people more open to mind control.
There's some truth in that.

But of course the result could be biased, because it would be mostly the smokers that would click on this thread. And for the reason stated in the posts above.If you become reliant on cannabis it can become a form of control and take up alot of time in your life. Time that could have been spent doing other things.

[oneup]

There's some truth in that.

If you become reliant on cannabis it can become a form of control and take up alot of time in your life. Time that could have been spent doing other things.

Yes I know about that. One of the reasons I don't smoke every day.

Off Topic: How do you put a quote inside a quote? everytime I quote a post that has another quote in it the second quote gets removed. Do you manually paste in the code or something?

[eternal_spirit]

Datura is native to India and Central America. It's also called the 'devils weed', its hallucinogenic but its totally different to LSD and mushrooms. There have been many cases of people who have travelled to India for a spiritual awakening and ingested the wrong plant and gone mad for real, wandering around India with not a clue of who or what they are. Datura is not for everybody, if it doesn't like you it will fuck you up, a true entheogen. Scares the hell out of me and with good reason.

Ganja is considered a sacrament with shaivite yogis. They consider it a gift from Lord Shiva to ease the suffering of mankind.(aint that the truth). They'll also tell you not to abuse the plant as it is not meant for smoking all the time. Smoking it all the time you lose the true beauty of the plant and takes you further away from who you are. The opposite of what you are trying to achieve spiritually. The ganja is tolerated openly in India, you will see the cops having a toot with the yogis as well.
Lord Shiva's festival of Mahashivratri is one long day and night of getting high and being merry. A hallucinogenic drink made from ganja, betel leaf, milk,honey called 'Bhang' is made and drunk by all the worshippers including the kids. Nice stuff the Bhang bit sweet for me but has one hell of a kick.
The bhang is made here as well minus the ganja, which sort of misses the point really.
:D


Cannabis: Ganja (http://www.answers.com/topic/cannabis) is associated with worship of Shiva. It is offered to Shiva images, especially on Shivratri (http://www.answers.com/topic/maha-shivaratri) festival. This practice is particularly witnessed at temples of Benares (http://www.answers.com/topic/benares), Baidynath (http://www.answers.com/topic/baidyanath) and Tarakeswar (http://www.answers.com/topic/tarakeswar).[73] (http://www.answers.com/topic/shiva#cite_note-commission-72)
Additionally, legends from the Sanskrit Vedas (http://www.answers.com/topic/vedas) indicate that the first seed sown by Shiva was ganja. Shiva is said to have brought the seed to the peoples of the Indian plains from the Himalayan mountains. Still today, cannabis (http://www.answers.com/topic/cannabis-1) seeds are broadcast everywhere in Shiva's honor. It is even considered a sin for Hindus to smoke or otherwise destroy cannabis seeds. [74] (http://www.answers.com/topic/shiva#cite_note-73)
It is also recorded that Shiva commanded that the word Ghangi be chanted repeatedly in hymns during sowing, weeding and harvesting of the holy plant.[75] (http://www.answers.com/topic/shiva#cite_note-74)




Cannabis: Ganja (http://www.answers.com/topic/cannabis) is associated with worship of Shiva. It is offered to Shiva images, especially on Shivratri (http://www.answers.com/topic/maha-shivaratri) festival. This practice is particularly witnessed at temples of Benares (http://www.answers.com/topic/benares), Baidynath (http://www.answers.com/topic/baidyanath) and Tarakeswar (http://www.answers.com/topic/tarakeswar).[73] (http://www.answers.com/topic/shiva#cite_note-commission-72)
Additionally, legends from the Sanskrit Vedas (http://www.answers.com/topic/vedas) indicate that the first seed sown by Shiva was ganja. Shiva is said to have brought the seed to the peoples of the Indian plains from the Himalayan mountains. Still today, cannabis (http://www.answers.com/topic/cannabis-1) seeds are broadcast everywhere in Shiva's honor. It is even considered a sin for Hindus to smoke or otherwise destroy cannabis seeds. [74] (http://www.answers.com/topic/shiva#cite_note-73)
It is also recorded that Shiva commanded that the word Ghangi be chanted repeatedly in hymns during sowing, weeding and harvesting of the holy plant.[75] (http://www.answers.com/topic/shiva#cite_note-74)

[eternal_spirit]

Yes I know about that. One of the reasons I don't smoke every day.

Off Topic: How do you put a quote inside a quote? everytime I quote a post that has another quote in it the second quote gets removed. Do you manually paste in the code or something?
Copy the quote, before you hit reply to quote someones post, then paste the copied quote into your reply.

[alchemiser]

Smoking everyday is a must for all us true connoisseurs of weed :D

It's the only way if we're going to try all the hundreds of different strains that are available nowadays, not to mention experimenting on increasing both size & amount of resin glands along with the levels of THC produced in each gland. ;)

Does anybody else know about the army research into weapons grade weed ?

My favorite 3 strains are:
1. Jack the Ripper
2. Jack Herer
3. White Chapel Monster

[eternal_spirit]

Perspectives on Cannabis and Tantra Tradition

Cannabis Origins and Cultural History

Cultivation of cannabis probably started in China to produce seeds for food and medicine and as a fiber for cloth and fabric. While the Chinese were building their hemp culture, the cotton cultures of Indian and the linen (flax) cultures of the Mediterranean began to learn of Cannabis through expanding trade and from wandering tribes of Aryans, Mongols, and Scythians who had bordered China since Neolithic times.

The Aryans (Indo-Persians) brought Cannabis culture to India nearly 4,000 years ago. They worshiped the spirits of plants and animals, and marijuana played an active role in their rituals. In China, with the strong influence of philosophic and moralistic religions, use of marijuana all but disappeared. But in India, the Aryan religion grew through oral tradition, until it was recorded in the four Vedas, compiled between 1400 and 1000 B.C. In that tradition, unlike the Chinese, marijuana was sacred, and the bhangas spirit was appealed to "for freedom of distress" and as a reliever of anxiety" (from the Atharva Veda). A gift from the gods, according to Indian mythology, the magical Cannabis "lowered fevers, fostered sleep, relieved dysentery, and cured sundry other ills; it also stimulated appetite, prolonged life, quickened the mind, and improved judgment."

In Hindu India Cannabis is believed to have been used as an entheogen as early as 1000 B.C.E. In mainstream, lay religious usage, it is usually taken as a concoction in milk called bhang and used during religious ceremonies such as marriage, as well as the Hindu celebrations of Holi. Hashish, or charas, is widely smoked by Shaivite devotees, and cannabis itself is seen as a gift of Shiva to aid in sadhana. Wandering ascetic sadhus are often seen smoking charas with a chillum. As Sikhs are absolutely prohibited by their religion from smoking, the use of ganja and charas in this form is not practiced by them so they drink bhang.

In Hinduism, sadhu is a common term for an ascetic or practitioner of yoga (yogi) who has given up pursuit of the first three Hindu goals of life: kama (pleasure), artha (wealth and power) and even dharma (duty). The sadhu is solely dedicated to achieving moksha (liberation) through meditation and contemplation of God. Still others partake in the religious consumption of charas, a form of cannabis and contemplate the cosmic nature and presence of God in the smoke patterns. Charas is the name given to hand-made hashish in India and Pakistan. It is typically grown in the Himalayas and is an important cash crop for the locals.

British psychiatrist G. Morris Carstairs spent 1951 in a large village in northern India and reported on the two highest castes, Rajput and Brahmin, and their traditional intoxicants of choice -alcohol and cannabis, respectively. The Rajputs were the warriors and governors; they consumed a potent distilled alcohol called daru. The Brahmins were the religious leaders; they were vegetarians and drank a cannabis infusion called bhang. Rajput lore, glorified sexual and military conquests. The priestly Brahmins, on the other hand, "were quite unanimous in reviling daru and all those who indulged in it. Bhang, a Brahmin told Carstairs, "gives good bhakti." He defined bhakti as "emptying the mind of all worldly distractions and thinking only of God." Whereas the Rajput in his drinking bout knows that he is taking a holiday from his sober concerns, the Brahmin thinks of his intoxication with bhang as a flight not from but toward a more profound contact with reality."
http://real-gaia.angelfire.com/neotantric_web.jpg

Typical demographics at a daru party of a Rajput prince.

Generally in orthodox Islam, the use of cannabis is deemed to be khamr, and therefore haraam (forbidden). As with most orthodoxies, early practices differ in this. Some say that, as hashish was introduced in post-Koranic times, the prohibition of khamr (literally, "fermented grape") did not apply to it. Despite the official disapproval of the various Islamic governments througout the span of Arabia in Africa and spilling beyond the regions of the Middle East to SE Asia, the use of cannabis is so historic in the culture, that billions of Muslims use a potent hashish recreationally as commonly as alcohol is used in the West. Only the Sufi Muslim use it in a religious way similar to the Brahmin.

Cannabis In Tantra

Tantra (Sanskrit: "weave" denoting continuity), tantric yoga, or tantrism is one of any several esoteric traditions rooted in the religions of India. It exists in Hindu, Bönpo, Buddhist, and Jain forms. Tantra, in its various forms, has existed in India, China, Japan, Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Korea, Cambodia, Burma, Indonesia and Mongolia.

Tantra of The Right Hand Path (Dakshinachara) is claimed to be the Bodhisattva ideal of Mahayana Buddhism represented historically and mythologically by Avaloketishvara, Tara and others, as well as today in the person of the Dalai Lama and other Tibetan teachers. In the Tantric or Vajrayana aspects of this system, harnessing the energies of the body, emotions and mind, including, joy, wrath and sexual energy, is not an end in itself but a potent means to the ultimate goal of realizing the true nature of reality, emptiness or Shunyata, thus attaining complete spiritual enlightenment and relief from the endless dissatisfaction of life, and using the power thus gained exclusively to help others do so as well.

Tantra of The Left Hand Path (Vamacara) is the one associated with the so called "darker" side of tantra. Tantriks engaged in left hand practices embrace and accept what is usually considered repulsive to the ethical senses, or what are nominally temptations to be avoided, such as sex, alcohol and and the use of charas and bhang to heighten both sensuality and spirituality. A key tenet in tantra is to accept everything as a manifestation of the divine. Thus mentally overcoming what the Hindu mind otherwise sees as repugnant, like bone, uncooked meat is an important practice on the path to master the mind. However the goals remain the same as those of any yogi; to overcome reactive elements of the mind and achieve complete control over it. This path, however is seen as more treacherous and the presence of a guru, all the more important.

Common variations include visualizing the deity in the act of sexual union with a consort, visualizing oneself as the deity, and/or "transgressive" acts such as token consumption of meat or alcohol. Occasionally, non-standard or ritualized sex may be undertaken such as having sex in graveyards. This accounts for tantra's negative reputation in some quarters and its reception in the Western world primarily as a collection of sexual practices. In the West, tantra had originally been reviled by early European orientalists as a subversive, antisocial, licentious and immoral force that had corrupted classical Hinduism. On the other hand, many today see NeoTantric practice as a celebration of social equity, sexuality, feminism and the body. See also Is Vamachara Vedic? a forum discussion on Kaula Tantra.

Mike Magee's portal website on world religions presents an article on Kaula Tantra that specifically refers to charas in the performance of Tantra maithuna (sacred sex). Referring to a Sanskrit edition of the Kaulavalinirnaya in Sanskrit covering many topics relating to the Kaula tradition of tantra- now out of print and out of copyright- the books introduction is by Sir John Woodroffe's (Arthur Avalon). "At verses 110 and 111, it is said, that either wine or Vijaya, that is hemp, should be used in this worship, but these should be purified. As has been said elsewhere- Tantra Shastra seeks to lead the man to Liberation (Moksha) whilst on the path of Enjoyment (Pravritti). It speaks of the necessity of the Sadhaka of having the assistance of his wife or Shakti; for the Sadhaka is Hara and his Shakti is Mahadevi."

How the historic use of bhang may have actually inspired a feature in Hindu creation mythology is presented in The Nectar of Delight from Plants of the Gods - Their Sacred, Healing and Hallucinogenic Powers by Richard Evans Schultes and Albert Hoffman. "Tradition in India maintains that the gods sent man the Hemp plant so that he might attain delight, courage, and have heightened sexual desires. When nectar or Amrita dropped down from heaven, Cannabis sprouted from it. Another story tells how, when the gods, helped by demons, churned the milk ocean to obtain Amrita, one of the resulting nectars was Cannabis. It was consecrated to Shiva and was [the goddess] Indra’s favorite drink. After the churning of the ocean, demons attempted to gain control of Amrita, but the gods were able to prevent this seizure, giving Cannabis the name Vijaya ("victory") to commemorate their success. Ever since, this plant of the gods has been held in India to bestow supernatural powers on its users."

There is another historic Samayachara Tantra that is hyper-puritanical in which it is forbidden to meditate on chakra below the navel to keep the mind a respectful distance from the genitals.
http://real-gaia.angelfire.com/shaivite_sadhana_charas.jpg
Shaivite doing sadhana- smoking charas in a bong
Shaivite doing sadhana- smoking charas in a bong.

Ecstatic Enlightenment Beyond the Tantric Religious Landscape

The fact that I had no knowledge of any of Tantric doctrine and yet experienced a scenario that contained only the bare-bones psychological and sexual equivalents of the proscribed protocol that resulted in a supreme transcendence- suggests that a intuitive/sensual/spiritual episode can trigger transcendent grace as well as one that is ritualistic/sensual/religious.

Personal Observations Regarding the Qualities of Cannabis.

My Supergirl was- by a factor of 3x- the most sensual grass I experienced during the subsequent 15-year period when I was both using and home-growing cannabis for my personal use. Not only is there a huge range of potency among samples of the various varieties of sativa and the sub-species indica but an orchestra of psychological effects that characterize the thousands of hybrids evolving around the world. For example in my obsolete experience, Panamanian Red is paranoid, indica generally zones you out while original Jamaican sativa is sexy and uplifting. Since I haven't smoked in over ten years I'm sure there are varieties that may approach the quality of my original "SuperGirl" that I have no knowledge of. For a brief period, about a year before my Samadhi experience, I did use (eaten rather than smoked) some extremely potent hashish that I had smuggled in from Istanbul but found it made me such a sexual madman that I threw it away for fear I might abuse my girlfriend, Mara- much to her annoyance. Other than my one experience with magic mushrooms, I have no knowledge to speculate how other than THC-based recreational or entheogenic drugs might work in a neo-Tantric scenario but would be highly skeptical. I suspect they would lack the spiritual/sensual balance and unique "good bhakti" quality of cannabis and might produce either a psychedelic warp or a raw sensual overload. ( Sex, Spirit, and Psychedelics is a collection of anecdotal accounts of the effect of entheogenic drugs relating to spirituality and sex.)

Marijuana and Sex: A Classic Combination by Terry Necco, 1998 An in-depth look on why ancient tantrists and modern researchers agree: pot and sex are two great things that go together. Marijuana has been used as an aphrodisiac for thousands of years, yet ironically it has also been used to decrease sexual desire. Ancient sacred texts reveal how to use marijuana to increase sexual pleasure, but modern research teaches an equally important lesson: marijuana's effects are determined by the personality, physiology, intention, environment, and culture of the user. (As well as to the qualities of the particular strain and variety. mg)
http://real-gaia.angelfire.com/charas.html

[flickflack]

I don't smoke weed, nor anything else. Period.







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If people smoke it up (which they do) there is not much help in it. If they want to make fuel of it, they must quit smoking it and save it for beneficial purposes. So, in order to make something useful of weed, people need to quit smoking it.

All this stuff about weed being beneficial, and all people can do is to smoke it up anyway, that doesn't make much sense, no it's ironic. It's like talking about how great a fuel ethanol is, and yet drink up the alcohol so nothing is left and one cannot drive while drunk anyway.

[supertzar]

Why would we have to stop smoking to make hemp? There would be a cross-pollination problem, but there are ways to get around that. We could easily grow enough to make medicinal oil for every person that gets cancer and still have more than enough to smoke and have all the industrial hemp we need. Easily. By far it is the simplest and most beneficial thing we can do today - remove all restrictions on Cannabis sativa.

[saicosis]

I don't smoke weed, nor anything else. Period.



If people smoke it up (which they do) there is not much help in it. If they want to make fuel of it, they must quit smoking it and save it for beneficial purposes. So, in order to make something useful of weed, people need to quit smoking it.

All this stuff about weed being beneficial, and all people can do is to smoke it up anyway, that doesn't make much sense, no it's ironic. It's like talking about how great a fuel ethanol is, and yet drink up the alcohol so nothing is left and one cannot drive while drunk anyway.

The weed people smoke is grown differently than the weed grown for industrial purposes. You wouldn't want to smoke the industrial stuff. Your logic fails.

[oneup]

I don't smoke weed, nor anything else. Period.
If people smoke it up (which they do) there is not much help in it. If they want to make fuel of it, they must quit smoking it and save it for beneficial purposes. So, in order to make something useful of weed, people need to quit smoking it.

All this stuff about weed being beneficial, and all people can do is to smoke it up anyway, that doesn't make much sense, no it's ironic. It's like talking about how great a fuel ethanol is, and yet drink up the alcohol so nothing is left and one cannot drive while drunk anyway.

Because weed is a plant, and not a fossile fuel, you can grow as much of it as you want. Enough to make fuel of AND to smoke from.

[flickflack]

Because weed is a plant, and not a fossile fuel, you can grow as much of it as you want. Enough to make fuel of AND to smoke from.

If there is enough space, but I don't think there is. The soil is used for other things too.

[supertzar]

I am pretty sure there is enough space.

Contradictory Policies. After handing out com­modity subsidies that pay farmers to plant more crops, Washington then turns around and pays other farmers not to farm 40 million acres of crop­land each year—the equivalent of idling every farm in Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio.

[loose777change]

Everyday...... for past 5+ years and probably smokin for a total of 13 years.

Does it open your Mind?................ YES

Does it make you Lazy?................. Sometimes
* indicas make me very unmotivated
* sativas are the shit...Love the head high. Very creative and full of energy

Should it be Legal?............ NO
* "Laws" should be illegal.. Growing plants is just nature doin her thing. No man should hold any "power" over another man, let alone mother nature.

Medical Purposes?.............Absofuckinlutley
* Should be our only medicine.. Its a cure-all Cosmic Gift.

Industrial use?................ No Doubt
* We cut down trees that take decades to grow. Just to wipe our asses.

Fuel?..............................Could be?
* But i believe in free-point energy tech. Just imagine the world with unlimited free energy.



If we defeat this NWO.. any make earth into a peaceful paradise. Marijuana will be one of the center pieces in our culture.

Share the LOVE

[kanz]

But I still find the results of this poll highly interesting.
79% of the voters do smoke it or have smoked it during some stage in their lifes.
That makes me conclude that the theory in the OP is indeed true.
It reminds me of something I read on this forum some time ago:



But of course the result could be biased, because it would be mostly the smokers that would click on this thread. And for the reason stated in the posts above.

Ofc theres something special about weed , thats why they always make a big deal out of it . The city is flooded with smack and crack , no one bats an eye lid. However weed gets lots of adverts , its own we campaigns going etc.

There is more to weed than meets the eye.

[kanz]

If there is enough space, but I don't think there is. The soil is used for other things too.

Trust me there is more than enough space, the plant dosnt require a team of people around it 24/7 to grow.

[not amused]

I like the look of Himalayan gold as my next grow Green House Seed Co. Himalaya Gold Grow w/Russian Subtitles - YouTube

[biba]

Do you smoke weed?
No.

[drhemp]

The reason the one-eyed Scottish idiot gave for upgrading cannabis from a Class C drug to a Class B drug was because of apparent links to mental illness (which I knew to be untrue at the time).

Well yet another study has come out to disprove this. Can we stop these Labour lies and legalise now?

URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n828/a02.html
Newshawk: Free Marc Emery: ********************/pun3xz
Votes: 0
Pubdate: Thu, 27 Aug 2009
Source: Sentinel, The (UK)
Copyright: 2009 Northcliffe Electronic Publishing Ltd.
Contact: letters@thesentinel.co.uk
Website: http://www.thesentinel.co.uk/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/3485

SCHIZOPHRENIA LINK TO CANNABIS DENIED

A STUDY by North Staffordshire academics has rejected a link between smoking cannabis and an increase in mental illness.

The research found there were no rises in cases of schizophrenia or psychoses diagnosed in the UK over nine years, during which the use of the drug had grown substantially.

Pro-cannabis campaigners seized on the results as supporting the legalising of cannabis, and claimed the report had been suppressed.

But the leading expert behind the study said it could be too low-key to re-ignite the debate on whether restrictions should be removed from soft drugs.

>From their base at the Harplands Psychiatric Hospital in Hartshill, the four experts reviewed the notes of hundreds of thousands of patients at 183 GP practices throughout the country to look for any changing rate in cases of schizophrenia.

The work had been set up to see if earlier forecasts from other experts had been borne out, that the mental disorder would soar through the growing popularity of cannabis.

Published in the Schizophrenia Research journal, a paper on the study said: "A recent review concluded that cannabis use increases the risk of psychotic outcomes.

"Furthermore an accepted model of the association between cannabis and schizophrenia indicated its incidence would increase from 1990 onwards.

"We examined trends in the annual psychosis incidence and prevalence as measured by diagnosed cases from 1996 to 2005 and found it to be either stable or declining.

"The casual models linking cannabis with schizophrenia and other psychoses are therefore not supported by our study."

The research was conducted by Drs Martin Frisher and Orsolina Martino, from the department of medicines management at Keele University; psychiatrist Professor Ilana Crome, from the Harplands academic unit, who specialises in addiction; and diseases expert Professor Peter Croft, pictured below, from the university's primary care research centre.

Its findings come shortly after the Government reclassified cannabis from Class C to Class B, which invokes heavier penalties.

Yet Dr Frisher revealed last night that the study had been partly commissioned by the Government's advisory committee on the misuse of drugs.

He said: "We concentrated on looking into the incidence of schizophrenia during those years and not specifically at cannabis use.

"It was relatively low-key research so I don't believe it will re-ignite the debate on whether the drug should be legalised."

Hartshill-based Dilys Wood, national co-ordinator of the Legalise Cannabis Alliance, said that so far the report had been published in medical journals and would have a far-reaching reaction if it surfaced more widely.

She added: "I believe that if it had found a causal link between cannabis and schizophrenia it would have been all over the press.

"The public needs to know the truth about drugs; not more Government-led propaganda."

And Alliance press officer Don Barnard said: "It is hard to believe the then Home Secretary Jacqui Smith did not know of this very important research when deciding to upgrade cannabis to Class B."

The team said a number of alternative explanations for the stabilising of schizophrenia had been considered and while they could not be wholly discounted, they did not appear to be plausible.

[alchemiser]

The reason the one-eyed Scottish idiot gave for upgrading cannabis from a Class C drug to a Class B drug was because of apparent links to mental illness (which I knew to be untrue at the time).

Well yet another study has come out to disprove this. Can we stop these Labour lies and legalise now?

Sorry drhemp but the lies are far to entrenched now imo. :(

I know a grow site where they'd probably ban you for putting that link up, when it comes to cannabis most people have already chosen to believe it's bad & refuse to hear anything different.

The fact that THC cures cancer should be a wake up call but all i get for saying it is ridicule, oh well at least i'm far healthier than everyone i know that doesn't use it. :rolleyes:

[dmt head]

Datura is native to India and Central America. It's also called the 'devils weed', its hallucinogenic but its totally different to LSD and mushrooms. There have been many cases of people who have travelled to India for a spiritual awakening and ingested the wrong plant and gone mad for real, wandering around India with not a clue of who or what they are. Datura is not for everybody, if it doesn't like you it will fuck you up, a true entheogen. Scares the hell out of me and with good reason.



Have you took datura then yes? I would love to hear your experiences. Ive been using it recently as an additive with other psychedelics to potentiate and combat nausea. Ive been using datura stramonium, most ive tried was 5 its usually between 1-3 with other things. Also Ive took some datura inoxia for lucid dreams, ive only tried this once, they are said to be quite sedating. I dont think id ever want to trip off datura it sounds too scary and not very worthwhile but I have been thinking of upping the dose to say ten seeds and maybe feel some psychoactivity. Was your experience of any value would you reccomend it, I did have a phase of reading looads of train wreck reports of datura which while entertaining sounded very dangerous. Cheers

Oh and as for weed it can creat a dependancy and I know people whos lives are ruined by it, it used to control me, ive heard people saying it must be underlying issues with the user etc. I dont buy this I do think it comes with dangers and isnt the big super safe drug people who idolise it make out!

[jammasterj13]

Have you took datura then yes? I would love to hear your experiences. Ive been using it recently as an additive with other psychedelics to potentiate and combat nausea. Ive been using datura stramonium, most ive tried was 5 its usually between 1-3 with other things. Also Ive took some datura inoxia for lucid dreams, ive only tried this once, they are said to be quite sedating. I dont think id ever want to trip off datura it sounds too scary and not very worthwhile but I have been thinking of upping the dose to say ten seeds and maybe feel some psychoactivity. Was your experience of any value would you reccomend it, I did have a phase of reading looads of train wreck reports of datura which while entertaining sounded very dangerous. Cheers

Oh and as for weed it can creat a dependancy and I know people whos lives are ruined by it, it used to control me, ive heard people saying it must be underlying issues with the user etc. I dont buy this I do think it comes with dangers and isnt the big super safe drug people who idolise it make out!
The original datura in its native lands is far stronger and more potent than stuff you could buy in a shop.
It's not something I ever wanted to do. I was warned about it, I get warned about it every time I go to India.
There are some rogue yogis out there who have mixed into there chillum pipes pure datura roots with the ganja, offered it to westerners and ruined them completely, one way ticket to the mental asylum or just left to wander around. These bastard fake yogis rob them of all their belongings and do one.
I've done peyote in the US, all manner of mushrooms, salvia, but datura is not high on my list nor will it ever be.

PM RichandPoor he'll tell you the same thing, he spent a long time in Uttar Pradesh with some bonafide yogis. Datura is a shamanic entheogen to the true yogis of India as Ayuahasca is to the shamans of Latin America.
Be careful brother!

[take it easy]

hey yeah right on man, i think erm... what was the question again dude?

[mistress_medusa]

In short..yes I do.

[melinda980]

Definitely not.

[cryst4l]

op is teh cia:eek:

i smoke occasionally, nothing against a snort occasionally either.

i stay away from non plant drugs.

switzerland, where the most powerfull weed is made.
may the dutch acknowledge this plz:)

hadabusa, most stuff is cut to crap now-days, and even then have you actually read how the "lovely powder" is processed, it is not all natural plant even when it is first concocted.

It is far from natural.

[jack1]

i dont take anything of it. because i see it as an weakness.

[metacomet]

i dont take anything of it. because i see it as an weakness.

For many, it is.

In my opinion if you can't run a mile or do long division in your head you shouldn't touch pot.

How many potheads would be willing or capable of complying with that? Few. Very very few.

[adzboarder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JZ_K0G4ZuU


smoke herb for life

lol got a cannabis warning from the old bill today :confused: makes me lol esp after walking past old bill at carnival burnin and nothing happened grrrr

Did the warning say you have not smoked enough today and need to work harder on your toking?

If it was illegal NOT to be stoned, that would make life a whole lot better, not to mention funnier. People getting arrested by stoned cops for not being stoned, sounds like Nirvana!

All psychoactive substances are 'drugs'. even coffee.
It's just the association that you have with that.

Indeed. I hate that moniker, DRUUUGSS! Kids DONT DO DRUUUUGS!

Buy OUR Drugs!
Ritalin, Lithium, Prozac, Diazepam are all good! Take these "pharmaceuticals" kids and make us billionaire$!

Drugs (INCLUDING weed) are BAD. Pharmaceuticals and stuff that will make corporations millions yet create untold havoc on the human race, both socially and health-wise, alcohol included, are GOOD. (!!??!)

This world is so fucking crazy maaan.

Ridiculous.

[padirishjun]

To the person who posted this.....I'd like to say (IMHO) first of all it's none of your business whether anyone smokes any sort of weed,illegal substances or whatever!!....and secondly,it makes me a little suspicious why and who you are conducting this little survey for........hmmmmmmm......curiousor and curiousor..................

[jason sands]

To the person who posted this.....I'd like to say (IMHO) first of all it's none of your business whether anyone smokes any sort of weed,illegal substances or whatever!!....and secondly,it makes me a little suspicious why and who you are conducting this little survey for........hmmmmmmm......curiousor and curiousor..................

There is a forum where someone recently created a thread called: where do you hide your weed? Knuckleheads kept posting photos of the secret places they hid their weed until I created a post stating: 'That's right, jerks, the narc wants to know!' The next poster posted a photo of a narcotics police dog and suddenly the morons stopped posting on that thread. What idiots! :D

Hey, was that thread in THIS forum?

I can't remember, but I would not be too surprised

[devyn]

Yes, every now and then. Check this out, Cannabis is actually an alien plant.:D

http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm
The pot plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that cannabis is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity. Hemp is the ONLY plant where the males appear one way and the females appear very different, physically! No one ever speaks of males and females in regard to the plant kingdom because plants do not show their sexes; except for cannabis. To determine what sex a certain, normal, Earthly plant is: You have to look internally, at its DNA. A male blade of grass (physically) looks exactly like a female blade of grass. The hemp plant has an intense sexuallity. Growers know to kill the males before they fertilize the females. Yes, folks...the most potent pot comes from 'horny females.'

The reason this amazing, very sophisticated, ET plant from the future is illegal has nothing to do with how it physically affects us…..



http://www.jackherer.com/chapter10.html
The BANTUS (Africa) - had secret Dagga Cults,* societies which restricted cannabis use to the ruling men. The Pygmies, Zulus and Hottentots all found it an indispensable medication for cramps, epilepsy and gout, and as a religious sacrament.

*These “Dagga” cults believed Holy Cannabis was brought to Earth by the Gods, in particular from the “Two Dog Star” system that we call Sirius A and B. “Dagga” literally means “cannabis.” Interestingly, the surviving Indo-European word for the plant can also be read as “canna,” “reed” and “bi,” “two,” as well as “canna,” as in canine; and “bis,” meaning two (bi) “Two Dogs.”

[ranger10]

i love smokin weed. right now im takin a brake though because my lungs are too black. gotta let em clear out. i call weed George Bush.

[theprophet]

ive had weed 3 times in my entire life, first 2 were mellow experiences, 3rd was mixed with 7 pints of cider, and considering the fact im a lightwieght in both weed and booze, thats quite strong.

i ended up passing out and waking up in the middle of the night to see myself with 6 foot wings on my back, for about 5 mins i treated it as a normal occurance, then i woke up again and realised "wtf"

fun times/.

[oneup]

If there is enough space, but I don't think there is. The soil is used for other things too.

I think there is.
You don't have to grow it outside on a field, they could also build a huge skyscraper and fill each floor with hemp plants :)

[oneup]

Should it be Legal?............ NO
* "Laws" should be illegal.. Growing plants is just nature doin her thing. No man should hold any "power" over another man, let alone mother nature.

Absolutely true!


If we defeat this NWO.. any make earth into a peaceful paradise. Marijuana will be one of the center pieces in our culture.

Share the LOVE

That sounds awesome :)

[oneup]

To the person who posted this.....I'd like to say (IMHO) first of all it's none of your business whether anyone smokes any sort of weed,illegal substances or whatever!!....and secondly,it makes me a little suspicious why and who you are conducting this little survey for........hmmmmmmm......curiousor and curiousor..................

Well, to satisfy my curiosity :)
What where you thinking, that I am an agent and I'm now going to bust anyone who voted yes? :D:D
Oh, and btw, None of my business? It's up to you whether or not you vote.
This just shows perfectly how paranoid some people here are. I actually feel somewhat insulted.

[free thinker]

cheech and chong up in smoke - YouTube

Try labrador...some goooooooood sheeeeet, man!
:D:D

[ilponn]

some people like weed some like beer we are all diffrent . ?? i like weed dutch or california style please : )

[oneup]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ozk7fnKilU

Try labrador...some goooooooood sheeeeet, man!
:D:D

Cheech & chong is funny :D
Here (http://movies.popcrunch.com/the-20-best-stoner-movies-of-all-time/) is a list of the top 20 best stoner movies :D

[lewi]

http://revolutuck.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/henryhemp-2012-2.jpg

[lupa]

some people like weed some like beer we are all diffrent . ?? i like weed dutch or california style please : )

Dutch is on the way to mine right now then my weekend officially ends :p

[alchemiser]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=549&pictureid=5128

Tokers of the world unite http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=549&pictureid=5130

[alchemiser]

http://revolutuck.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/henryhemp-2012-2.jpg

That's a lovely pic lewi :cool:
Can't quite agree about alcohol being that evil but that's because i like my real ale. :o

This say's it better for me.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=549&pictureid=5129

[alzee]

I started smoking weed 29 years ago. It's now an ongoing habit for me; one that's surprisingly difficult to stop.

I do quit every now and then with varying levels of success, but the point is that I do keep trying, which suggests to me (and anyone else looking in) that I really don't want to keep smoking it the way I do. This is mainly because it makes me so apathetic to most things in my life, including my business which I run from home - not good!

I had actually quit again for 3 weeks until a couple of days ago when a friend arrived with a big bag of Cheese. I just couldn't say no =)

[jakemaverick]

lupa.......cute pic!

[padirishjun]

Well, to satisfy my curiosity :)
What where you thinking, that I am an agent and I'm now going to bust anyone who voted yes? :D:D
Oh, and btw, None of my business? It's up to you whether or not you vote.
This just shows perfectly how paranoid some people here are. I actually feel somewhat insulted.

Ok,first of all if i have insulted you,i sincerely apologise,didn't mean to.....i suppose we all get a little paranoid sometimes due to the current events that are transpiring......

Please don't take offence......:)

[not amused]

oh I am just so stoooned right now, I just had to share it with you. :D:D:D

[outlander]

Hi, my first post.

I didnt vote cus there is no option of simple "NO". I dont smoke weed or have anything against the people who do.

I am "awake" as you say it a lot more than bunch of people who I know who smoke weed. I think its totally irrelevant.

[1freethinker]

In a nut shell, no that's not true.

Often you will not know if you have a Sativa or Indica, a good way to find out is to spark it up. As written above, Indicas tend to be smaller bushier plants.

Haze is Sativa strain from America. Most famous being Neville's Haze, which is lovely ganja.

I love lovely ganja :)

[seeking_truth_lpool]

By the look of the Poll, everyone on here is a pothead... And we wonder why people take the piss if we voice our views? :mad:

[hometownmaverick]

I do every now and then on partys or wth friends

[not amused]

By the look of the Poll, everyone on here is a pothead... And we wonder why people take the piss if we voice our views? :mad: yeah you can't win, if we were all teetotalers bible thumping 9-5 robots they would still take the piss, conditioned people think like you ie you can't have a say cos you smoke pot, thats kinda like nazism, smoking pot doesn't make you an idiot, alcohol makes you an idiot and the ptb all drink alcohol. both my parents died from alcohol related illness, never heard of 1 single person dying from pot related illness, get out of the conditioning.

[redman]

Can't handle the feeling off weed... fucking does me head in.

[edforlove]

Cannabis (and one truely insane salvia ego death experiance, get it wile
you can!) set me free

[bulgariaole]

maan i can wait till the day weed is legal, that day is coming

[bluegrazz]

yeah you can't win, if we were all teetotalers bible thumping 9-5 robots they would still take the piss, conditioned people think like you ie you can't have a say cos you smoke pot, thats kinda like nazism, smoking pot doesn't make you an idiot, alcohol makes you an idiot and the ptb all drink alcohol. both my parents died from alcohol related illness, never heard of 1 single person dying from pot related illness, get out of the conditioning.

well said....

[oneup]

Ok,first of all if i have insulted you,i sincerely apologise,didn't mean to.....i suppose we all get a little paranoid sometimes due to the current events that are transpiring......

Please don't take offence......:)

Apology accepted :)
I get paranoid sometimes as well... it does show how paranoid people can get, and how difficult it can be to determine what is authentic and what is not.
I think we actually get it wrong a lot...

[oneup]

Hi, my first post.

I didnt vote cus there is no option of simple "NO". I dont smoke weed or have anything against the people who do.

I am "awake" as you say it a lot more than bunch of people who I know who smoke weed. I think its totally irrelevant.

yeah, other people mentioned that as well.
My fault. 'NO' would have been better then 'No, drugs are bad'. But I couldn't change the poll afterwards.

[illuminati downfall]

I didn't vote because really none of those options are right for me. I don't smoke weed personally and never have, but I don't view weed as bad. I know many who use it and I have no problem with it. I just don't use it myself.

[oneup]

yeah you can't win, if we were all teetotalers bible thumping 9-5 robots they would still take the piss, conditioned people think like you ie you can't have a say cos you smoke pot, thats kinda like nazism, smoking pot doesn't make you an idiot, alcohol makes you an idiot and the ptb all drink alcohol. both my parents died from alcohol related illness, never heard of 1 single person dying from pot related illness, get out of the conditioning.
Exactly.

Can't handle the feeling off weed... fucking does me head in.
I don't mean to offend you, but I sometimes think when weed makes you paranoid or whatever, that's how you were before you smoked it. It simply intensifies everything.

maan i can wait till the day weed is legal, that day is coming
Not really, when weed becomes legal it means it will be grown by the government, just like tobacco. And I don't trust them, who knows what they may add to it.
And it will become a lot more expensive since they will start taxing it just like alcohol and tobacco.
Now the weed is grown by the people, for the people, and they are only interested in creating the highest quality because that is what will make them the most money. The government is potentially interested in mixing the weed with all sorts of crap...

[jimmi]

Paranoid?

Everyone says I'm paranoid, not to my face though.

Smoking does make you think they are out to get you.

:D

[boy better know]

So when I'm fed up I get red up
Mary jane mess my head up
she can be my best friend forever
at times I regret that I met her
when she eats all my cheedar
but she makes life seem better like whatever

stressing me out she settles me down
put it in the air brother spread it around
but don't abuse it, we using the temple boo
from the pool it's a mental tool

meditating like we meant to, just like God intended
when I pick up the pen and school it's spendid
I used to use cigarette mix and blend it
now I don't take the peng everybody offended
If they criticise weed defend it
with the hydro glistening
blow my mind like nitroglycerin

this is the deal:
Smoke weed all day give me something to feel

Jehst

[oneup]

Paranoid?

Everyone says I'm paranoid, not to my face though.

Smoking does make you think they are out to get you.

:D

No, it CAN make you think they are out to get you... depending on what state you were in before you started smoking. Or what you expect it will do to you.
By changing the attitude you have towards it, you can change the experience completely.

[not amused]

IF... IF pot was legalised, or decriminalised, we would be able to select our choice of "smoke". so if a certain strain makes you paranoid, you can try another strain from the menu, I grow my own, so I have a smoke thats pretty much free and I get on with it well, dealing with criminals is a problem too, I've known them to spray plants with powdered glass, to increase the weight and emulate the thc trichomes. they can also add carcinogens to ensure seeds are female, the hash or resin can be tainted with all sorts of crap, rubber, diesel, barbituates to name a few, a civilised society has made a plant illegal and driven fans of the plant into the hands of criminals, why? I'm sick of being treated like a kid by the ptb, its my choice, its not harming anyone, so stuff em...

[oneup]

IF... IF pot was legalised, or decriminalised, we would be able to select our choice of "smoke". so if a certain strain makes you paranoid, you can try another strain from the menu, I grow my own, so I have a smoke thats pretty much free and I get on with it well, dealing with criminals is a problem too, I've known them to spray plants with powdered glass, to increase the weight and emulate the thc trichomes. they can also add carcinogens to ensure seeds are female, the hash or resin can be tainted with all sorts of crap, rubber, diesel, barbituates to name a few, a civilised society has made a plant illegal and driven fans of the plant into the hands of criminals, why? I'm sick of being treated like a kid by the ptb, its my choice, its not harming anyone, so stuff em...

In holland weed is not fully legal either, and I am able to choose from many different strains and different suppliers as well.
But you are right, the people that grow the weed also add crap to it. I've also heard about them adding lead powder to increase the weight. Or spraying the buds with a sugar solution to emulate the THC trichomes exactly as you said... But I don't trust the government to grow it for me either.
Making it legal for everyone to grow their own would be best.

[not amused]

In holland weed is not fully legal either, and I am able to choose from many different strains and different suppliers as well.
But you are right, the people that grow the weed also add crap to it. I've also heard about them adding lead powder to increase the weight. Or spraying the buds with a sugar solution to emulate the THC trichomes exactly as you said... But I don't trust the government to grow it for me either.
Making it legal for everyone to grow their own would be best.
no i wouldn't trust the growers or the government, the trust is with the retailer, like a butchers, you don't know where the meat comes from, you trust the butcher to supply top quality meat, you wouldn't believe the crap people smoke here in the uk, your so bloody lucky to have a choice, can just smell that nepalese cream, you lucky lucky b****ard. :(:(:(

[shepherdess]

I dont partake...ever...but dont mind others that do so I cant vote. There isn't an option for me.

Infact, I have never done any drugs at all but have been legally medicated for most of my adult life to stop me being in the mindset that all of the people here seem to be trying to attain!!

Hows that for bizzarre!

[rabista]

Ever read the book of Enoch?, well don't do it out loud, coz you can release evil demons into the world, and these demons are linked to all kinds of worldly things, like witchcraft(watchcraft, watchers and such) and metals, weapons of war, and some are linked to roots and leaves, and weed is a way of keeping a grasp on the innocent smoker, who is risking cancer and other stuff anyway, but this is a true phenomena, there are truths in the myths, and dangerous activities that need to be exposed. Possession by evil demons is no joke, it's their ultimate goal, to be in a physical body, and do physical things. Believe me, it's all linked together, and why is there "starfire" being advertised on this site, when Arizona Wilder says it is valuable to satans worshipers? Who's Who? Who's What? And Why?

[not amused]

ever read the book of enoch?, well don't do it out loud, coz you can release evil demons into the world, and these demons are linked to all kinds of worldly things, like witchcraft(watchcraft, watchers and such) and metals, weapons of war, and some are linked to roots and leaves, and weed is a way of keeping a grasp on the innocent smoker, who is risking cancer and other stuff anyway, but this is a true phenomena, there are truths in the myths, and dangerous activities that need to be exposed. Possession by evil demons is no joke, it's their ultimate goal, to be in a physical body, and do physical things. Believe me, it's all linked together, and why is there "starfire" being advertised on this site, when arizona wilder says it is valuable to satans worshipers? Who's who? Who's what? And why?
paranoia or what..

[1eyeopen]

you need to ask also about smoking sativa or indica.
sativa is normal cannabis.
indica is skunk and will make you insane. :D

Fucking idiot.

[oneup]

no i wouldn't trust the growers or the government, the trust is with the retailer, like a butchers, you don't know where the meat comes from, you trust the butcher to supply top quality meat, you wouldn't believe the crap people smoke here in the uk, your so bloody lucky to have a choice, can just smell that nepalese cream, you lucky lucky b****ard. :(:(:(

I remember an australian dude on this forum, don't remember his nickname.
He was also very jalous :p He had a dutch friend mail it to him all the way from holland.
Yes it is awesome, we can buy weed just like tobacco basically. I'm never moving, love this place :D

[oneup]

Fucking idiot.

Hey, not so rude :)
You can learn a lot from how drhemp quoted the same post, "fucking idiot".

[not amused]

already thought that.:D,, I'l give you a list, I had king hassan in the dam, a morrocan hashish, so oily I couldn't burn it, rolled little bogeys and dropped them in, yes the best smoke iv'e had, from a shop called KATSU, do you know that shop, tiny little coffeeshop in the Albert Kyrup market,happy memories

[malvern]

came across this in France last week................


http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee320/malvernmark/france2009aug001.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee320/malvernmark/france2009aug004.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee320/malvernmark/france2009aug002.jpg




freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[cryst4l]

came across this in France last week................
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee320/malvernmark/france2009aug001.jpg



<<<<packing bags for France right now :D

[edelweiss pirate]

Only maurijuana can save the world now!

True.

Mandatory maurijuana would kill all the negativity and stress and worry in the world. Stoned dead!


It might make you lazy but hell it makes you happy! I don't consider it a drug, more like a survival tool. A mystic herb of enlightenment. We are stuck in a dark time on a dark planet, we should spark up a bit of light in our hands!

Smoke up folks! Do your bit!

Today!

[cryst4l]

Only maurijuana can save the world now!

True.

That and the few million who enjoy the odd toke here and there :)

[edelweiss pirate]

Has this been posted yet?

Bill Hicks - Mandatory Marijuana - YouTube

[oneup]

already thought that.:D,, I'l give you a list, I had king hassan in the dam, a morrocan hashish, so oily I couldn't burn it, rolled little bogeys and dropped them in, yes the best smoke iv'e had, from a shop called KATSU, do you know that shop, tiny little coffeeshop in the Albert Kyrup market,happy memories

I've only been to amsterdam once (Yeah shame on me) and that was on a school trip. The people who organized it didn't know that the route we had to walk had a coffeeshop in almost every street. (Not that it could have been any different:p)
We had a little break in each and every single one of them, I wasn't 18 back then but an ID card, a scanner, a printer and some photoshop skills takes care of that :D
And before I get lost in telling stories, (Like I always do, oops I already did :p) I don't know that place :)

[flickflack]

I dont partake...ever...but dont mind others that do so I cant vote. There isn't an option for me.

Infact, I have never done any drugs at all but have been legally medicated for most of my adult life to stop me being in the mindset that all of the people here seem to be trying to attain!!

Hows that for bizzarre!

You have a good point. Use of marijuana can cause paranoia, hallucinations and schizophrenia, especially on the long run. I wouldn't touch it either. I don't think it can improve my life in any way, shape or form. Drugs is not what I want to do with my life.

[edelweiss pirate]

You have a good point. Use of marijuana can cause paranoia, hallucinations and schizophrenia, especially on the long run. I wouldn't touch it either. I don't think it can improve my life in any way, shape or form. Drugs is not what I want to do with my life.

People only get paranoid because weed had been made illegal and so effectively you are made to feel like a criminal.


Anyway, you don't know until you try it... so what are you basing your view on? What the media tells you? Blimey! That's not a good idea.

[not amused]

You have a good point. Use of marijuana can cause paranoia, hallucinations and schizophrenia, especially on the long run. I wouldn't touch it either. I don't think it can improve my life in any way, shape or form. Drugs is not what I want to do with my life.paranoia can be caused by marijuana, the rest is a big fat lie, people have been know to develope schizophrenia earlier than they would have due to marijuana, a study I saw said by up 18 months, not proven though, never heard of hallucination due to marijuana, if its not for you fine, but do get the facts right thank you

[flickflack]

People only get paranoid because weed had been made illegal and so effectively you are made to feel like a criminal.


Anyway, you don't know until you try it... so what are you basing your view on? What the media tells you? Blimey! That's not a good idea.

One of my experiences is that I have been flamed for simply doing my job at the time, which was too remove trash on the streets, and so I removed outdated posters too and that was okay until I removed two marijuana posters.

I didn't get it at the time, and I sure don't get it know either, what's the problem with someone like me doing their job? I was wearing my working clothes, can't they see I was at duty? I almost lost my job when I shouted back at them, because they did injustice to me, and I was serving my duty- I was at work.

Those ungrateful, petty criminals didn't want the justice I had to offer them, and what's the problem with two damned posters that I removed, it was my job! I had removed countless other posters from all kinds of music bands, and they said I worked very good, but when those evil, wicked marijuana posters where awaiting their take-down from my agenda, they had to scream at me and tell my boss I was a bad boy? I was protecting my country from legalization of marijuana, and those posters I removed was not worth the paper they where printed on. I almost felt that I should burn those posters, but instead I was just throwing them in the trash where they belonged. Drug-addicted hippies need to respect the workers, and get off those high-on drugs. They are criminals in my country. Criminals! They break the law, and that's criminal for sure! This much I can tell you.

[dmt head]

Only maurijuana can save the world now!

True.

Mandatory maurijuana would kill all the negativity and stress and worry in the world. Stoned dead!


It might make you lazy but hell it makes you happy! I don't consider it a drug, more like a survival tool. A mystic herb of enlightenment. We are stuck in a dark time on a dark planet, we should spark up a bit of light in our hands!

Smoke up folks! Do your bit!

Today!

Some of the most negative people I know are heavy smokers. I remember when I was hooked I could be a right miserable sod at times. It doesnt make everyone happy all the time.

People only get paranoid because weed had been made illegal and so effectively you are made to feel like a criminal.


Anyway, you don't know until you try it... so what are you basing your view on? What the media tells you? Blimey! That's not a good idea.

Everyone I know that smokes can get slightly paranoid to totally paranoid, reason I gave it up was because it made me paranoid, I only smoke occasionally nowadays, and most people DO get paranoid. I know a lot of smokers, this isnt from reading in the media and their not paranoid because its illegal let me assure you, that was never a concern for me either

[supertzar]

One of my experiences is that I have been flamed for simply doing my job at the time, which was too remove trash on the streets, and so I removed outdated posters too and that was okay until I removed two marijuana posters.

I didn't get it at the time, and I sure don't get it know either, what's the problem with someone like me doing their job? I was wearing my working clothes, can't they see I was at duty? I almost lost my job when I shouted back at them, because they did injustice to me, and I was serving my duty- I was at work.

Those ungrateful, petty criminals didn't want the justice I had to offer them, and what's the problem with two damned posters that I removed, it was my job! I had removed countless other posters from all kinds of music bands, and they said I worked very good, but when those evil, wicked marijuana posters where awaiting their take-down from my agenda, they had to scream at me and tell my boss I was a bad boy? I was protecting my country from legalization of marijuana, and those posters I removed was not worth the paper they where printed on. I almost felt that I should burn those posters, but instead I was just throwing them in the trash where they belonged. Drug-addicted hippies need to respect the workers, and get off those high-on drugs. They are criminals in my country. Criminals! They break the law, and that's criminal for sure! This much I can tell you.

For starters I hope you are trolling because to call smokers addicts and criminals is a joke. Second, take some time to educate yourself on the suppression of Cannabis and all the incredible benefits to humanity that go with it and you might be able to see why someone would be defensive about their information being taken down. Protecting your country from legalization? You are actually helping to condemn cancer patients to a horrible death. Unless you are trolling. Then you are just being annoying.

[supertzar]

Some of the most negative people I know are heavy smokers. I remember when I was hooked I could be a right miserable sod at times. It doesnt make everyone happy all the time.



Everyone I know that smokes can get slightly paranoid to totally paranoid, reason I gave it up was because it made me paranoid, I only smoke occasionally nowadays, and most people DO get paranoid. I know a lot of smokers, this isnt from reading in the media and their not paranoid because its illegal let me assure you, that was never a concern for me either

You can't get "hooked" on "weed" except in your own mind. Grow up a little. Jeez.

[djhooker]

smoked it daily for around 15 years now, no problems, where's my pro-cannabis propaganda advert?

[malvern]

if it such a bad thing why do goverments grow it ........ so openly


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freedom is the grandchildren

[flickflack]

You can't get "hooked" on "weed" except in your own mind. Grow up a little. Jeez.

So you are attacking your own kind also now? You should respect the eyewitness testimony of others, and since they where doing injustice to me and the law, I couldn't care about their feelings... They refused to accept my justice, remember? That just continues to make them criminals, and furthermore, no friends of mine!

[dmt head]

You can't get "hooked" on "weed" except in your own mind. Grow up a little. Jeez.

Ive argued this point with you before, you choose to worship this plant I dont. Ive seen lifes ruined as ive told you before and it most certainly can cause problems as ive seen before. You grow up, just because you dont have problems with it, or maybe you do but you dont recognise them, theirs certainly possibler problems. Deny it all you want, ive seen it with my own eyes and experienced it myself. Ive seen whole groups of people totally addicted to it, freaking out nervous anxious if they dont get it, you might choose to call them weak or whatever, I blame the drug, get over it!

[edelweiss pirate]

Ive argued this point with you before, you choose to worship this plant I dont. Ive seen lifes ruined as ive told you before and it most certainly can cause problems as ive seen before. You grow up, just because you dont have problems with it, or maybe you do but you dont recognise them, theirs certainly possibler problems. Deny it all you want, ive seen it with my own eyes and experienced it myself. Ive seen whole groups of people totally addicted to it, freaking out nervous anxious if they dont get it, you might choose to call them weak or whatever, I blame the drug, get over it!

A simple 'No' would suffice.

[supertzar]

Don't tell me I worship Cannabis sativa. Love for the most beneficial plant on Earth (and if you would like to debate me on that save us both the time and go to jackherer.com) does not equal worship. How would you like it if I said you worship ignorance? You and all your friends whose minds are so damaged that you can't just smoke a little without freaking out about where to get more. I doubt you will get my point, but if there is any chance you can get outside yourself a little and realize how your experience with Cannabis is totally determined by your own mind it would be great.

[cryst4l]

Ive argued this point with you before, you choose to worship this plant I dont. Ive seen lifes ruined as ive told you before and it most certainly can cause problems as ive seen before. You grow up, just because you dont have problems with it, or maybe you do but you dont recognise them, theirs certainly possibler problems. Deny it all you want, ive seen it with my own eyes and experienced it myself. Ive seen whole groups of people totally addicted to it, freaking out nervous anxious if they dont get it, you might choose to call them weak or whatever, I blame the drug, get over it!

LOL do you not realise that this weed has been around for millions of years and has had widespread use.

[supertzar]

So you are attacking your own kind also now? You should respect the eyewitness testimony of others, and since they where doing injustice to me and the law, I couldn't care about their feelings... They refused to accept my justice, remember? That just continues to make them criminals, and furthermore, no friends of mine!

My own kind? You mean human beings? It's like "We don't want your kind around here..."

Sincerely hoping you are a troll,
supertzar

[flickflack]

My own kind? You mean human beings? It's like "We don't want your kind around here..."

Sincerely hoping you are a troll,
supertzar

No, others that are experienced with drugs.

[supertzar]

There is not a kind of person that smokes herb. All kinds do. Smokers do tend to be a little smarter and more open-minded, though, in my opinion.

[clachan]

You can't get "hooked" on "weed" except in your own mind. Grow up a little. Jeez.

How do you know "he cant get hooked on weed",and its doesn,t make any sense at all to say "exept in you own mind" unless you have anothers mind as well as your own.
Why do you absolutely deny the fact that some people become dependant on cannabis ? Every time some one tells you you call them a liar,as if you know them better than they know themselves...cannabis has many good qualities,but it can be addictive for some.
Like i said to you before, you tell people it,s not addictive but you probably smoke every day and have done for years,if your supply ever stopped the main objective in your life would be to find a new source...an addiction,end of !!

[clachan]

There is not a kind of person that smokes herb. All kinds do. Smokers do tend to be a little smarter and more open-minded, though, in my opinion.

Complete bollox !!

[cryst4l]

There is not a kind of person that smokes herb. All kinds do. Smokers do tend to be a little smarter and more open-minded, though, in my opinion.

I second that supertzar :)

Just take a look at the poll, most on this forum have at some stage smoked or are smoking.

That in itself should say something to those who are critical ;)

[oneup]

Ive argued this point with you before, you choose to worship this plant I dont. Ive seen lifes ruined as ive told you before and it most certainly can cause problems as ive seen before. You grow up, just because you dont have problems with it, or maybe you do but you dont recognise them, theirs certainly possibler problems. Deny it all you want, ive seen it with my own eyes and experienced it myself. Ive seen whole groups of people totally addicted to it, freaking out nervous anxious if they dont get it, you might choose to call them weak or whatever, I blame the drug, get over it!

These problems are caused by ignorant people who abuse the plant and become too attached to what it means for them.
Also, it's another chicken-and-the-egg question. Did weed cause the problems, or could it be that people with problems seek it more than others? In that case these people are also more likely to abuse it as they might try to supress their problems with it.

[cryst4l]

How do you know "he cant get hooked on weed",and its doesn,t make any sense at all to say "exept in you own mind" unless you have anothers mind as well as your own.
Why do you absolutely deny the fact that some people become dependant on cannabis ? Every time some one tells you you call them a liar,as if you know them better than they know themselves...cannabis has many good qualities,but it can be addictive for some.
Like i said to you before, you tell people it,s not addictive but you probably smoke every day and have done for years,if your supply ever stopped the main objective in your life would be to find a new source...an addiction,end of !!

PMSL I smoke, I'm not addicted and at certain times have given up all together, quite easily. How addicted I must be eh?

That statement will get opposition clachan because you generalise everyone into the same category but yes I do agree that some people can get hooked.

[cryst4l]

These problems are caused by ignorant people who abuse the plant and become too attached to what it means for them.
Also, it's another chicken-and-the-egg question. Did weed cause the problems, or could it be that people with problems seek it more than others? In that case these people are also more likely to abuse it as they might try to supress their problems with it.

In a nutshell I do believe this.

Speaking from experience, but who is to say that's a bad thing, maybe the problems that are being suppressed are those from tptb world rather than what is most important in life :)

[cryst4l]

Complete bollox !!

Never smoked at some point clachan? If not maybe your one of the lucky ones who can get out of their programmming and have an open mind without the need for weed, ever thought that may be the case?

[supertzar]

How do you know "he cant get hooked on weed",and its doesn,t make any sense at all to say "exept in you own mind" unless you have anothers mind as well as your own.
Why do you absolutely deny the fact that some people become dependant on cannabis ? Every time some one tells you you call them a liar,as if you know them better than they know themselves...cannabis has many good qualities,but it can be addictive for some.
Like i said to you before, you tell people it,s not addictive but you probably smoke every day and have done for years,if your supply ever stopped the main objective in your life would be to find a new source...an addiction,end of !!

I know it because scientifically there is no physiological dependence caused by using Cannabis. It's all in the mind. If someone is knowingly or unknowingly using it to treat symptoms and all of a sudden they can't get their medicine they may have a problem, but it has nothing to do with addiction. I don't accept "psychological addiction" as being an attribute of Cannabis. A person can be "psychologically addicted" to any behavior, but that doesn't make every behavior addictive, does it?

[flickflack]

There is not a kind of person that smokes herb. All kinds do. Smokers do tend to be a little smarter and more open-minded, though, in my opinion.

That's just your opinion. You shouldn't recommend smoking neither to get smarter, nor more open-minded. Some people, like Amadeus Mozart, was born a genius. Most people, however, are not geniuses, although we can all have our genuine moments of a breakthrough. But on drugs? Don't think so, unless you are into the occult or something.

[supertzar]

That's just your opinion. You shouldn't recommend smoking neither to get smarter, nor more open-minded. Some people, like Amadeus Mozart, was born a genius. Most people, however, are not geniuses, although we can all have our genuine moments of a breakthrough. But on drugs? Don't think so, unless you are into the occult or something.

Try taking a course in logic. I did not state that smoking makes you smarter and more open-minded.

[cryst4l]

That's just your opinion. You shouldn't recommend smoking neither to get smarter, nor more open-minded. Some people, like Amadeus Mozart, was born a genius. Most people, however, are not geniuses, although we can all have our genuine moments of a breakthrough. But on drugs? Don't think so, unless you are into the occult or something.

Sorry flickflack, where was supertzar's recommendation on smoking?

As I said, take a look at the poll again, you see, nearly 80% of people on the poll have smoked at some point, there is meat to supertzar's statement I'm afraid.

That is not to say that we all need weed to be open minded but it obviously helps otherwise most on here would not have gone near IMO :D

[dmt head]

A simple 'No' would suffice.

EH? If I did that superstzar would end up lording it over me again, defending his addiction. Does middle class and arrogance go hand in hand or what? Looks like it :rolleyes:

Don't tell me I worship Cannabis sativa. Love for the most beneficial plant on Earth (and if you would like to debate me on that save us both the time and go to jackherer.com) does not equal worship. How would you like it if I said you worship ignorance? You and all your friends whose minds are so damaged that you can't just smoke a little without freaking out about where to get more. I doubt you will get my point, but if there is any chance you can get outside yourself a little and realize how your experience with Cannabis is totally determined by your own mind it would be great.

Yawn, me get outside myself? Listen to yourself mate defending your addiction. I still smoke occasionally and no I dont freak out of my mind, I knew when I was addicted it was holding me back and I see it hold back a lot of folks, they obviously must not be as strong and great as you eh? :rolleyes:

And eh im not attacking the uses of cannabis im just saying smoking has its problems, ive been through this with you before christ get over it. You must be right though, since you have such a stroong mind?


LOL do you not realise that this weed has been around for millions of years and has had widespread use.

Didnt know that cheers for the info, fuckin stupid me eh? :rolleyes:

[killuminati18]

I love weed.

[cryst4l]

EH? If I did that superstzar would end up lording it over me again, defending his addiction. Does middle class and arrogance go hand in hand or what? Looks like it :rolleyes:



Yawn, me get outside myself? Listen to yourself mate defending your addiction. I still smoke occasionally and no I dont freak out of my mind, I knew when I was addicted it was holding me back and I see it hold back a lot of folks, they obviously must not be as strong and great as you eh? :rolleyes:

And eh im not attacking the uses of cannabis im just saying smoking has its problems, ive been through this with you before christ get over it. You must be right though, since you have such a stroong mind?




Didn't know that cheers for the info, fuckin stupid me eh? :rolleyes:

I didn't call you stupid but if you insist...you STUPID :)

Just because YOU became addicted, it does not mean that we all are or that it was the plant. Maybe, just maybe it was you that became addicted rather than the plant addicting you?

[dmt head]

I didn't call you stupid but if you insist...you STUPID :)

Just because YOU became addicted, it does not mean that we all are or that it was the plant. Maybe, just maybe it was you that became addicted rather than the plant addicting you?

Im not syaing everyone is Im saying a lot of people do. You can all deny it all you like but I know for a fact you can end up spending all your money on it and smoking it all day every day, if that isnt an addiction then I dont know what is. The majority of people are in denial, ive seen people go without food for hash, a few people. Thats an addictive drug, or maybe their all just weak people? :rolleyes:

[cryst4l]

Im not syaing everyone is Im saying a lot of people do. You can all deny it all you like but I know for a fact you can end up spending all your money on it and smoking it all day every day, if that isnt an addiction then I dont know what is. The majority of people are in denial, ive seen people go without food for hash, a few people. Thats an addictive drug, or maybe their all just weak people? :rolleyes:

You answered your own question.

Weed is not addictive, it is the ego/persona of the person that smokes that becomes addicted.

[supertzar]

Defending my addiction! LOL!

[dmt head]

You answered your own question.

Weed is not addictive, it is the ego/persona of the person that smokes that becomes addicted.

Mkay then, I think that might be called denial!

[oneup]

I know it because scientifically there is no physiological dependence caused by using Cannabis. It's all in the mind. If someone is knowingly or unknowingly using it to treat symptoms and all of a sudden they can't get their medicine they may have a problem, but it has nothing to do with addiction. I don't accept "psychological addiction" as being an attribute of Cannabis. A person can be "psychologically addicted" to any behavior, but that doesn't make every behavior addictive, does it?

That's what I believe, except wonderfully put.
That 'other behavior' could for example be a computer game.
People do get 'addicted' to it (there are even clinics). But there is no substance entering the body. Explain that.

[oneup]

That's just your opinion. You shouldn't recommend smoking neither to get smarter, nor more open-minded. Some people, like Amadeus Mozart, was born a genius. Most people, however, are not geniuses, although we can all have our genuine moments of a breakthrough. But on drugs? Don't think so, unless you are into the occult or something.

He already said it was, didn't he? :p

[oneup]

Maybe, just maybe it was you that became addicted rather than the plant addicting you?

Haha priceless, I'm remembering that one :)

[oneup]

Im not syaing everyone is Im saying a lot of people do. You can all deny it all you like but I know for a fact you can end up spending all your money on it and smoking it all day every day, if that isnt an addiction then I dont know what is. The majority of people are in denial, ive seen people go without food for hash, a few people. Thats an addictive drug, or maybe their all just weak people? :rolleyes:

You are right when you say it can be expensive, and it can take up all your time, I've even experienced that myself, but that has everything to do with the user being irresponsible and has nothing to do with the plant itself.
It's a PLANT, common. I don't believe that some god created the earth in 6 days, but somehow it got on this planet. And it's not there to hold us all back.

Mkay then, I think that might be called denial!

I don't see how that could be called denial.

[alchemiser]

At least all the pot heads here have a chance to live healthy lives :)

All the non users will just have to learn the hard way i suppose :p

The Endocannabinoid System (http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/short/58/3/389)

Abstract

The recent identification of cannabinoid receptors and their endogenous lipid ligands has triggered an exponential growth of studies exploring the endocannabinoid system and its regulatory functions in health and disease. Such studies have been greatly facilitated by the introduction of selective cannabinoid receptor antagonists and inhibitors of endocannabinoid metabolism and transport, as well as mice deficient in cannabinoid receptors or the endocannabinoid-degrading enzyme fatty acid amidohydrolase. In the past decade, the endocannabinoid system has been implicated in a growing number of physiological functions, both in the central and peripheral nervous systems and in peripheral organs. More importantly, modulating the activity of the endocannabinoid system turned out to hold therapeutic promise in a wide range of disparate diseases and pathological conditions, ranging from mood and anxiety disorders, movement disorders such as Parkinson's and Huntington's disease, neuropathic pain, multiple sclerosis and spinal cord injury, to cancer, atherosclerosis, myocardial infarction, stroke, hypertension, glaucoma, obesity/metabolic syndrome, and osteoporosis, to name just a few. An impediment to the development of cannabinoid medications has been the socially unacceptable psychoactive properties of plant-derived or synthetic agonists, mediated by CB1 receptors. However, this problem does not arise when the therapeutic aim is achieved by treatment with a CB1 receptor antagonist, such as in obesity, and may also be absent when the action of endocannabinoids is enhanced indirectly through blocking their metabolism or transport. The use of selective CB2 receptor agonists, which lack psychoactive properties, could represent another promising avenue for certain conditions. The abuse potential of plant-derived cannabinoids may also be limited through the use of preparations with controlled composition and the careful selection of dose and route of administration. The growing number of preclinical studies and clinical trials with compounds that modulate the endocannabinoid system will probably result in novel therapeutic approaches in a number of diseases for which current treatments do not fully address the patients' need. Here, we provide a comprehensive overview on the current state of knowledge of the endocannabinoid system as a target of pharmacotherapy.

Eating it is the best way medically to consuming weed.

[cryst4l]

Mkay then, I think that might be called denial!

LMAO whoever said I was addicted or in denial.

Like I said previously, " I DO SMOKE AND HAVE GIVEN UP FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME (YEARS)".

I am not addcited and never will be because I am stronger than that. The addiction is the ego/persona...period

[cryst4l]

Haha priceless, I'm remembering that one :)

If your comment is one of a patronising nature then forget it :)

Especially since you have only taken part of my comment for reference :)

[cryst4l]

At least all the pot heads here have a chance to live healthy lives :)

All the non users will just have to learn the hard way i suppose :p

The Endocannabinoid System (http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/short/58/3/389)

Eating it is the best way medically to consuming weed.

LOL nice post alchemiser

One of the reasons I went back to the weed was because as soon as I gave up, my immune system went into meltdown.

Weed is there for the benefit of everyone :)

[metacomet]

Deny it all you want, ive seen it with my own eyes and experienced it myself. Ive seen whole groups of people totally addicted to it, freaking out nervous anxious if they dont get it...

Same...

There are alot of weak people in this world and some of them smoke pot.

When they don't have pot, they spend all their time fiending for it.

If they don't have pot, they can't function in everyday life, they can't go out in public.

I had a roommate/friend who had to get high before we went out and did daily errands, he said he couldn't handle being in public without being stoned or else he would 'go crazy and kill everyone.'

It's quite pathetic - but not uncommon.

I for one feel like pot should be smoked to relax and chill at home, enjoy yourself - if you need it just to get out and get your day on you are pathetic - and unfortunately alot of people are like this.

Some people can't go without smoking three to four times a day or more.

This isn't just an issue of 'smoking everyday' this is an issue of having to be stoned all the time.

It is an addiction, whether mental or physiological, who gives a fuck? The only people vehemently denying that MJ causes addiction are those who are addicted themself.

I've smoked tons of pot in my life - but I go without it regularly. I'm totally fine without it right now. But I know dozens of people who aren't. They are drug addicts... period.

So I'm never going to say MJ doesn't cause addiction... because I know better.

It takes a certain level of maturity and honesty to admit that people become weak when they use this thing everyday... and it helps if you yourself are not an addict to be able to honestly admit it.

[oneup]

If your comment is one of a patronising nature then forget it :)

Especially since you have only taken part of my comment for reference :)

Sorry, but I can't figure out what 'patronising' means :)
patronising - (used of behavior or attitude) characteristic of those who treat others with condescension
condescension? Looked that up:
The act of condescending or an instance of it.

condescending?
Displaying a patronizingly superior attitude
Going in circles:D

[supertzar]

It is an addiction, whether mental or physiological, who gives a fuck? The only people vehemently denying that MJ causes addiction are those who are addicted themself.

I don't accept causing "mental addiction" as a property of Cannabis or anything else, so I do give a fuck about people saying it is addictive. That is total bullshit. A lot of people with mental health problems smoke. Like the person you mentioned who can't go out without being stoned. That doesn't mean the plant made him be like that. There has got to be something else going on with that person's history or something.

[cryst4l]

Sorry, but I can't figure out what 'patronising' means :)

condescension? Looked that up:

condescending?

Going in circles:D

Ha Ha Love it :D

[cryst4l]

Same...

There are alot of weak people in this world and some of them smoke pot.

When they don't have pot, they spend all their time fiending for it.

If they don't have pot, they can't function in everyday life, they can't go out in public.

I had a roommate/friend who had to get high before we went out and did daily errands, he said he couldn't handle being in public without being stoned or else he would 'go crazy and kill everyone.'

It's quite pathetic - but not uncommon.

I for one feel like pot should be smoked to relax and chill at home, enjoy yourself - if you need it just to get out and get your day on you are pathetic - and unfortunately alot of people are like this.

Some people can't go without smoking three to four times a day or more.

This isn't just an issue of 'smoking everyday' this is an issue of having to be stoned all the time.

It is an addiction, whether mental or physiological, who gives a fuck? The only people vehemently denying that MJ causes addiction are those who are addicted themself.

I've smoked tons of pot in my life - but I go without it regularly. I'm totally fine without it right now. But I know dozens of people who aren't. They are drug addicts... period.

So I'm never going to say MJ doesn't cause addiction... because I know better.

It takes a certain level of maturity and honesty to admit that people become weak when they use this thing everyday... and it helps if you yourself are not an addict to be able to honestly admit it.

Hi meta,

I hope you are well :)

I do not disagree with most of your post here as much of your comments are the same for myself.

What I would disagree with is that MJ is addictive. It is an addiction, but so are many other drugs. The same could be said for most people's daily routine's, they become an addiction. Hobbies can become an addiction, sports, forums, TV and many others.

People can go into rehab with one addiction and come away clear from that dependency but then they fall into a trap of being addicted to the very things that helped free them previously.

It is the nature of the human to enjoy something that gives pleasure but become obsessed with that feeling.

[zero1]

I don't, but I have 'experimented' with it on a few occasions in the past, when I was younger. It's not as simple as "drugs are bad", anyway, is it?

I mean, in Western culture, drugs the Doctor doesn't prescribe are bad and use of them can get you thrown in prison, but the Big Pharma drugs he does prescribe are good, even though most of them are laced with toxins that create a physical dependency (causing you to require more and more of them).

It makes you dependent wholly on external authorities for your health; the message is, what comes from the earth (natural medicines) is bad, what is made up in a lab from mish-mash chemicals (pharmaceutical remedies) are good. Confused much? You would be, but then you're probably not a Doctor...

Now, if the day were to come that General Practitioners prescribed Marijuana as a relaxational stimulant, well...it'd be like a Utopia, wouldn't it? We could get rid of tobacco/cigarettes and actually smoke something worthwhile that doesn't cause fatal diseases.

[clachan]

Never smoked at some point clachan? If not maybe your one of the lucky ones who can get out of their programmming and have an open mind without the need for weed, ever thought that may be the case?

I smoked cannabis nearly every day for years between the age of 19 & 39, there was always a big panic when the supply dryed up,I mean it was a serious problem.
When i started smoking at 19 i fully beleived it was not addictive so it wasn,t a big deal,it helped me cope with a repetative,boring life.But I could not stop for 20 odd years....I look back now and realise it was a two edged sword,yes it opened my mind to things,but also kept me content with my 9 to 5 shitty life style.
Lets be honest here,cannabis has many,many good qualities,but when i hear people saying its not addictive it winds me up.....I was told that BS.

[cryst4l]

I smoked cannabis nearly every day for years between the age of 19 & 39, there was always a big panic when the supply dryed up,I mean it was a serious problem.
When i started smoking at 19 i fully beleived it was not addictive so it wasn,t a big deal,it helped me cope with a repetative,boring life.But I could not stop for 20 odd years....I look back now and realise it was a two edged sword,yes it opened my mind to things,but also kept me content with my 9 to 5 shitty life style.
Lets be honest here,cannabis has many,many good qualities,but when i hear people saying its not addictive it winds me up.....I was told that BS.


I hear what your saying but I feel that addiction is a human function and that it can happen to many people with many different things, yes drugs are a primer, but fundamentaly it is you/me/us that have the addiction capability not the thing addicted too

Drug Addiction: A Brain Disease?
Nicole Pietras

When people hear the words drug addict, these words have negative connotations and stigmas attached to them. People visualize a person who does not care about anything, including family, work, or commitments, except for obtaining money to buy drugs to get high. However, there are many people who are drug addicts that maintain a normal, functioning life. Before we can examine why these people are addicted to drugs, one must first define the word addict.

George F. Koob defines addiction as a compulsion to take a drug without control over the intake and a chronic relapse disorder (1). The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders of the American Psychiatric Association defined "substance dependence" as a syndrome basically equivalent to addiction, and the diagnostic criteria used to describe the symptoms of substance dependence to a large extent define compulsion and loss of control of drug intake (1). Considering drug addiction as a disorder implies that there are some biological factors as well as social factors.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1891

[oneup]

Ha Ha Love it :D

And I still don't know what it means :D

[cryst4l]

And I still don't know what it means :D

I was questioning how you had taken my words whether in a positive or negative way, as I was unsure :confused:

No problems, I have looked over the posts again and maybe I misunderstood the context of the words, sorry :)

[cryst4l]

You answered your own question.

Weed is not addictive, it is the ego/persona of the person that smokes that becomes addicted.

Defending my addiction! LOL!

not sure if this was related to me supertzar :) but for the record I enjoy a smoke but it does not control me or my life and I can go without it :D

So maybe I'm defending smoking but not my addiction ;)

[alchemiser]

LOL nice post alchemiser

One of the reasons I went back to the weed was because as soon as I gave up, my immune system went into meltdown.

Weed is there for the benefit of everyone :)

Thanks cryst4l :) i totally agree that weed is for the healing of the nations!

You can't beat experience for teaching the benefits of weed, when you stopped smoking the Endocannabinoid System stopped regulating your immune system.

T'is best to eat for the full benefits honest.

Druglibrary (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/ch4.htm)

After smoking, the initial metabolism of THC takes place in the lungs,
followed by more extensive metabolism by liver enzymes which transform
THC to a number of metabolites. The most rapidly produced metabolite
is 9-carboxy-THC (or THC-COOH) which is detectable in blood within
minutes of smoking cannabis. It is not psychoactive. Another major
metabolite of THC is 11-hydroxy-THC, which is approximately 20 per
cent more potent than THC, and which penetrates the blood-brain
barrier more rapidly than THC. 11-hydroxy-THC is only present at very
low concentrations in the blood after smoking, but at high
concentrations after the oral route (Hawks, 1982). THC and its
hydroxylated metabolites account for most of the psychoactive effects
of the cannabinoids.

Just a pity so few people know the difference between glucose rich fully developed THC & glucose depleted THC form by compression forces, or how to activate the second resin pathway when growing the plants. :rolleyes:

[cryst4l]

Thanks cryst4l :) i totally agree that weed is for the healing of the nations!

You can't beat experience for teaching the benefits of weed, when you stopped smoking the Endocannabinoid System stopped regulating your immune system.

T'is best to eat for the full benefits honest.

Druglibrary (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/ch4.htm)



Just a pity so few people know the difference between glucose rich fully developed THC & glucose depleted THC form by compression forces, or how to activate the second resin pathway when growing the plants. :rolleyes:

A wise friend tells me that when elders of tribes came together they would meet around a pot of weed "stew" and would talk around the fires of the night discussing many topics.

Once you understand the nature of you, then are able to understand your behavior and habits as a human whether programmed or not. It is this understanding that ultimately leads to your ability to control you, not be the programmed you IMO

[supertzar]

not sure if this was related to me supertzar :) but for the record I enjoy a smoke but it does not control me or my life and I can go without it :D

So maybe I'm defending smoking but not my addiction ;)

It was dmt_head who said I was defending my addiction. I think it's ridiculous. A lot of people are so used to such fucked up conditions in life they don't realize how fucked up it is. They smoke and for a while it's so much better than what they are used to that they can't bear the thought of going back to normal. So they freak out until they can get more. It's because of life out of balance on planet Earth that they can't bear to not be stoned. In a healthy world I don't think people would have any problem with smoking.

[supertzar]

Just a pity so few people know the difference between glucose rich fully developed THC & glucose depleted THC form by compression forces, or how to activate the second resin pathway when growing the plants. :rolleyes:

Run that by me again?

[spock]

Oh dear, well I suppose I had better put the record straight, just in case someone reads that and thinks it's true.

Right, here we go again, Sativa and Indica are the two different genetic types of cannabis, you can get strains that are 100% one or the other, some that are partially Indica - mainly Sativa, say 80:20 mix or you can get 50:50.

ah fuck it, I can't be bothered to type, this info is accurate



Skunk is a name given to a Sensi seed strain, named so because of it's strong smell. The term has since been used by politicians and the compliant media to demonise cannabis.

Contrary to the lies told by our Government, smoking pot will not send you insane (indica or sativa or skunk as a matter of fact).

fair one. ;)
i'm still reprogramming!! :D



I smoked cannabis nearly every day for years between the age of 19 & 39, there was always a big panic when the supply dryed up,I mean it was a serious problem.
When i started smoking at 19 i fully beleived it was not addictive so it wasn,t a big deal,it helped me cope with a repetative,boring life.But I could not stop for 20 odd years....I look back now and realise it was a two edged sword,yes it opened my mind to things,but also kept me content with my 9 to 5 shitty life style.
Lets be honest here,cannabis has many,many good qualities,but when i hear people saying its not addictive it winds me up.....I was told that BS.


my mates dad used to say
"cannabis is not addictive....i should know.....i've smoked it every day for 30 years!!"

[oneup]

I was questioning how you had taken my words whether in a positive or negative way, as I was unsure :confused:

No problems, I have looked over the posts again and maybe I misunderstood the context of the words, sorry :)

I meant it in a positive way :)
But now I still want to know what 'patronizing' means :D:D

[pegcityevolve]

I smoke all kinds of weeds, indica and sativa, in different ratios. All kinds of ratios of CBD, THC, CBM, the whole works. Everyday, could be in the morning or at night, or anywhere in between. I sometimes have kush salads (at least three different types of weeds mixed together). Hash, hemp oil, every form of cannabis. Smoked it with LSD, mushrooms, ecstasy, alcohol, speed (unintentionally), and with monatomic gold, rhodium, iridium.

This is only because I spread the plant, keep it coming and going, for the people. Making it illegal is a crime against humanity.

I have no memory problems whatsoever, as I eat a lot of blueberries, and ginkgo biloba. Rarely am I out of energy, I do cardio every morning. Stretch to get the kinks out.

[cryst4l]

I meant it in a positive way :)
But now I still want to know what 'patronizing' means :D:D

condescension - the trait of displaying arrogance by patronizing those considered inferior

[metacomet]

I smoke all kinds of weeds, indica and sativa, in different ratios. All kinds of ratios of CBD, THC, CBM, the whole works. Everyday, could be in the morning or at night, or anywhere in between. I sometimes have kush salads (at least three different types of weeds mixed together). Hash, hemp oil, every form of cannabis. Smoked it with LSD, mushrooms, ecstasy, alcohol, speed (unintentionally), and with monatomic gold, rhodium, iridium.

This is only because I spread the plant, keep it coming and going, for the people. Making it illegal is a crime against humanity.

I have no memory problems whatsoever, as I eat a lot of blueberries, and ginkgo biloba. Rarely am I out of energy, I do cardio every morning. Stretch to get the kinks out.

That's the most significant thing in my opinion, being physically active negates all potential negatives with smoking.

We can argue all day about whether MJ is technically addictive -

my only real concern is how many lazy asses smoke pot and live completely inactive lifestyles. It's incredibly frustrating for me that they think playing frisbee golf counts :p They are afraid to sweat and afraid to do anything involving physical effort.

It's not my place to tell people they need to exercise - they can live their life the way they want. But if you're going to smoke pot everyday you really should exercise, so I only have utmost respect for those who do both.

Not only is toking after exercise awesome, but alot of potheads go without natural endorphins because they avoid physical exercise (alot of non-smokers are the same way).

[alchemiser]

That's the most significant thing in my opinion, being physically active negates all potential negatives with smoking.

We can argue all day about whether MJ is technically addictive -

my only real concern is how many lazy asses smoke pot and live completely inactive lifestyles. It's incredibly frustrating for me that they think playing frisbee golf counts :p They are afraid to sweat and afraid to do anything involving physical effort.

It's not my place to tell people they need to exercise - they can live their life the way they want. But if you're going to smoke pot everyday you really should exercise, so I only have utmost respect for those who do both.

Not only is toking after exercise awesome, but alot of potheads go without natural endorphins because they avoid physical exercise (alot of non-smokers are the same way).

Your argument only works metacomet if it is the weed making people so called lazy :confused:

Nutrition is a much better place to be looking if you see someone being lazy, when i ate all the processed foods & sweets i had no energy. 18.5 stone was the most i made it to & exercise was just a joke with just how crap i felt on the inside.

Now i'm 13.5stone with a real lust for cycling & all the time i've been smoking me bong & eating cakes though now it's wheat free carrot cakes ;)

[supertzar]

That's the most significant thing in my opinion, being physically active negates all potential negatives with smoking.

We can argue all day about whether MJ is technically addictive -

my only real concern is how many lazy asses smoke pot and live completely inactive lifestyles. It's incredibly frustrating for me that they think playing frisbee golf counts :p They are afraid to sweat and afraid to do anything involving physical effort.

It's not my place to tell people they need to exercise - they can live their life the way they want. But if you're going to smoke pot everyday you really should exercise, so I only have utmost respect for those who do both.

Not only is toking after exercise awesome, but alot of potheads go without natural endorphins because they avoid physical exercise (alot of non-smokers are the same way).

So you are saying people who smoke are on average less active than people who don't?

[alchemiser]

A wise friend tells me that when elders of tribes came together they would meet around a pot of weed "stew" and would talk around the fires of the night discussing many topics.

Once you understand the nature of you, then are able to understand your behavior and habits as a human whether programmed or not. It is this understanding that ultimately leads to your ability to control you, not be the programmed you IMO

I am nothing ;)

I'm planning a weed curry for the Equinox :p it'll be interesting what i end up typing when i login here that night after reading your quote cryst4l.

[supertzar]

Hey, Alchemiser. I want to know what you are talking about with the glucose and the second resin pathway.

[alchemiser]

Hey, Alchemiser. I want to know what you are talking about with the glucose and the second resin pathway.

Hi supertzar :)

Cannabis has 2 glucose/resin pathways starting in the roots & ending at the trichomes. The second pathway is only activated when mycorrhizal fungi forms a symbiotic relationship with the plants roots.

Mycorrhiza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A mycorrhiza (Greek for fungus roots coined by Frank, 1885[1]; typically seen in the plural forms mycorrhizae or mycorrhizas) is a symbiotic (occasionally weakly pathogenic) association between a fungus and the roots of a plant.[2] In a mycorrhizal association, the fungus may colonize the roots of a host plant, either intracellularly or extracellularly. They are an important part of soil life.

The trichome is just a glucose sack with trace elements in that need to be forced together in order to form THC, high levels of UV-B radiation can push the force the terpene & phenol to join without the glucose crystalising.
Without UV-B the glucose sack dries out & lengthens as it crystallises which forces the the terpene & phenol together forming a less potent form of THC.

http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=549&pictureid=5160

A simple way to increase resin yield is to add glucose to the plants feed tough that does make for a sickly sweet taste & a trippy weed can be obtained by feeding Biochanin A or red onion skin to the girls. ;)

[supertzar]

Hi supertzar :)

Cannabis has 2 glucose/resin pathways starting in the roots & ending at the trichomes. The second pathway is only activated when mycorrhizal fungi forms a symbiotic relationship with the plants roots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhiza



The trichome is just a glucose sack with trace elements in that need to be forced together in order to form THC, high levels of UV-B radiation can push the force the terpene & phenol to join without the glucose crystalising.
Without UV-B the glucose sack dries out & lengthens as it crystallises which forces the the terpene & phenol together forming a less potent form of THC.

http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=549&pictureid=5160

A simple way to increase resin yield is to add glucose to the plants feed tough that does make for a sickly sweet taste & a trippy weed can be obtained by feeding Biochanin A or red onion skin to the girls. ;)

Can you link me to any information about the bolded part?

[zero1]

Over six thousand views! I believe the DI Forum lurkers have found their level with this thread...

[supertzar]

Bump

[alchemiser]

Cannabis has 2 glucose/resin pathways starting in the roots & ending at the trichomes.
Can you link me to any information about the bolded part?

Sorry supertzar you're 8 years to late for the really useful cannabis specific research. :(

Just to make clear ALL plant life has a second pathway, i call it a glucose path because of the research i've done into the sugar signaling responses of plants. The proper name is Methylerythritol Phosphate Pathway or MEP for short, this path remains domant in plants & is only activated by mycorrhizal fungi.

This is the only link in my bookmarks about the fungi that still works :eek:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10758508?dopt=Abstract

This links goes into sugar signaling in plants, hope you like science ;)
http://www.plantcell.org/cgi/content/full/14/suppl_1/S185

http://www.plantcell.org/content/vol14/issue90001/images/medium/01-0455f1.gif

[supertzar]

Sorry supertzar you're 8 years to late for the really useful cannabis specific research.

It's gone? Where did you find it? Thanks for info on the MEP.

[alchemiser]

It's gone? Where did you find it? Thanks for info on the MEP.

The internet purge back in 2001 took masses of research specific to cannabis away, before then it was a free for all with some excellent bit's of data available just by searching.

One of my personal favorite bits of knowledge was how to reclaim deserts quickly & efficiently with cannabis plantations. :o

Thankfully we took hard copies of the most important bit's of research, namely how to weaponise weed ;)

[jakemaverick]

weaponise weed??? TELL ME HOW!!!

but that would be a waste, surely? ;-)

[oneup]

weaponise weed??? TELL ME HOW!!!

By smoking it. A free mind can be considered a weapon these days.

[mrmoney]

The poll needs an option for "No - I just don't"

Because I don't smoke weed, but I know it's not bad, either.

[oneup]

The poll needs an option for "No - I just don't"

Because I don't smoke weed, but I know it's not bad, either.

You are absolutely right, and not the first person to mention it either.
But I can't change the poll afterwards.
EDIT: Just got an idea. Maybe one of the mods could remove the 'Drugs are bad' from the last poll option?

[cryst4l]

You are absolutely right, and not the first person to mention it either.
But I can't change the poll afterwards.
EDIT: Just got an idea. Maybe one of the mods could remove the 'Drugs are bad' from the last poll option?

hindsight oneup ;)

we all make mistakes :p

Well done on an interesting thread!

[oneup]

hindsight oneup ;)

we all make mistakes :p

Well done on an interesting thread!

Well thank you :)
What does your avatar say BTW?

[beatiful]

i enjoy a nice toke every now and then lol
i think weed is an amazing drug to be honest, the amount of uses the weed plant/hemp plant has i think can be used for evidence of god, or that its not a killer evil drug THAT U MUST STAY AWAY FROM! haha

it helps me relax, and also it gives me insight on how the mind works eg- theres been times wen im high and i on sort of like autopilot where i am performing a task but dont realise im doing it, and then i sort of wake up and realise i was doing sumthin without actually realising it!! sounds funny, but its interesting

its also really good, cos u notice certain things when ur high that u dont when u are sober - such as meaning in a song, words in a song, aspects of a film, lines in a poem etc etc

i also enjoy it for creative puropses, as certain ideas come to me when im high that may not come to me as easily or even at all when sober

i went to amsterdam recently and the cannabis museam was wicked, they had bible verses mentioning weed, info saying that the correlation between weed and mental illness does not exist, and that there are NO negative damaging effects to the body if you eat weed

[cryst4l]

Well thank you :)
What does your avatar say BTW?

Please wake me when I'm free
I cannot bear captivity
Where my culture I'm told holds no significance
I'll wither and die in ignorance
But my inner eye can c a race
Who reigned as kings in another place
the green of trees were rich and full
and every man spoke of beautiful
men and women together as equals
War was gone because all was peaceful
But now like a nightmare I wake 2 c
That I live like a prisoner of poverty
Please wake me when I'm free
I cannot bear captivity
4 I would rather be stricken blind
than 2 live without expression of mind

Word for word :)

[oneup]

i enjoy a nice toke every now and then lol
i think weed is an amazing drug to be honest, the amount of uses the weed plant/hemp plant has i think can be used for evidence of god, or that its not a killer evil drug THAT U MUST STAY AWAY FROM! haha

it helps me relax, and also it gives me insight on how the mind works eg- theres been times wen im high and i on sort of like autopilot where i am performing a task but dont realise im doing it, and then i sort of wake up and realise i was doing sumthin without actually realising it!! sounds funny, but its interesting

its also really good, cos u notice certain things when ur high that u dont when u are sober - such as meaning in a song, words in a song, aspects of a film, lines in a poem etc etc

i also enjoy it for creative puropses, as certain ideas come to me when im high that may not come to me as easily or even at all when sober

i went to amsterdam recently and the cannabis museam was wicked, they had bible verses mentioning weed, info saying that the correlation between weed and mental illness does not exist, and that there are NO negative damaging effects to the body if you eat weed

Yes exactly.
One of the things I realised while high is the concept of what I call semi-conscious. Whatever controls your heart rate is a completely unconscious process. You can not consciously change you heartrate, or stop it. Your breathing however is semi-conscious. You can control it yourself if you want to, or stop it completely for a while, but when you don't pay attention to it after some time it starts to happen automatically. That is something very interesting! It also occurs with a lot of thought processes and mental habits.

[flickflack]

You are absolutely right, and not the first person to mention it either.
But I can't change the poll afterwards.
EDIT: Just got an idea. Maybe one of the mods could remove the 'Drugs are bad' from the last poll option?

Well, I voted on the last option because I sincerely believe that drugs are bad for ya. So my vote was very accurate, for instance. Leave it as it is would be my advice (oh well, I guess my advice is not much wanted on this thread:rolleyes:).

[oneup]

Well, I voted on the last option because I sincerely believe that drugs are bad for ya. So my vote was very accurate, for instance. Leave it as it is would be my advice (oh well, I guess my advice is not much wanted on this thread:rolleyes:).

Of course it is, it's a POLL after all :)

[chuggy]

there is no poll option for

when I can afford it
or,
when I find proper pot and not just the counterfeit crap that is everywhere these days.

Whilst I'm at it, where does all the counterfeit dope get made, in govt warehouses?


Chug
Enemy of the state