Allan Watt calls David Icke a freemason!

[bicycle]

From David Icke:
Apparently, I'm a Freemason. You think they would have told me!


According to a strange man in Canada who appears on the conspiracy radio show circuit, I am a Freemason and a member of something called the SIS. I contacted the guy, an 'Alan Watt', the last time he claimed this crap and asked him to send me all the information and evidence that he had to support this and I would post every word of it on this website.

He produced nothing because he is talking through a place that shouldn't be used for communication.

Anyway, if anyone has any evidence that I am connected to any secret society would they please let me know because I must have missed many meetings already not knowing that I was.

And a few can't control the world? It's a piece of cake.


I like Allan Watt, but I think he has lost the plot on this one, he has also accused David Icke of working for MI6 mixing the reptillian stuff with a lot of truth.

[matrixcutter]

I'm not sure that Watt has ever categorically stated that Icke is a freemason, just suggested that he might be, and that somebody else said that he was one.

Watt has mentioned that Icke spoke to him and asked him for information several years back, and said that he would help Icke as long as he didn't spin it off into alien nonsense, and Icke agreed but did that anyway.

It seems that Icke forgot to mention that bit.


It is pretty obvious that Watt not only has a superior accumulation of knowledge, but gives away almost everything he has produced for free, except for 3 books (which other people have been caught selling), 2 CDs (containing 24 hours of mp3s) and one DVD. Icke on the other hand even charges for his electronic newsletters, and had a giant hissy fit before he started to charge for them.

[soglad]

It's the classic conspiracize the conspiracy for extra originality.

[21_12_2012]

From David Icke:
Apparently, I'm a Freemason. You think they would have told me!


According to a strange man in Canada who appears on the conspiracy radio show circuit, I am a Freemason and a member of something called the SIS. I contacted the guy, an 'Alan Watt', the last time he claimed this crap and asked him to send me all the information and evidence that he had to support this and I would post every word of it on this website.

He produced nothing because he is talking through a place that shouldn't be used for communication.

Anyway, if anyone has any evidence that I am connected to any secret society would they please let me know because I must have missed many meetings already not knowing that I was.

And a few can't control the world? It's a piece of cake.


I like Allan Watt, but I think he has lost the plot on this one, he has also accused David Icke of working for MI6 mixing the reptillian stuff with a lot of truth.

Interesting post... what source did you get this information from ?

I'm not sure that Watt has ever categorically stated that Icke is a freemason, just suggested that he might be, and that somebody else said that he was one.

Can you show us where Watt suggested this, and who else suggested it ?

Watt has mentioned that Icke spoke to him and asked him for information several years back, and said that he would help Icke as long as he didn't spin it off into alien nonsense, and Icke agreed but did that anyway.

Who said that? Alan Watt I suppose.... hmmm... do we believe him ?!

and said that he would help Icke as long as he didn't spin it off into alien nonsense

Why would somebody (Watt) be so interested in telling somebody else (Icke) to NOT refer to aliens when presenting their research to the public ?

And who is Watt to say that aliens are 'nonsense' ? Has he explored the depths of outer space and the other dimensions to refer to aliens as 'nonsense' ?

Smells very fishy to me.... anybody else?

[matrixcutter]

Can you show us where Watt suggested this, and who else suggested it ?
In one of his free mp3s. I don't know which one, but I think it was one of the ones originally on Sweet Liberty Radio, if that helps.

Who said that? Alan Watt I suppose.... hmmm... do we believe him ?!
Yes, Watt said it, and no you don't believe it because it is about David Icke, who you believe to be totally honest.

Why would somebody (Watt) be so interested in telling somebody else (Icke) to NOT refer to aliens when presenting their research to the public ?
Because Watt understands how counter-intelligence works and how distracted people become by considering it. Most people who are just waking up have no idea how it works and end up wasting years looking into total disinformation, myself included.

And who is Watt to say that aliens are 'nonsense' ? Has he explored the depths of outer space and the other dimensions to refer to aliens as 'nonsense' ?
You are missing the point. Concentrating on hypothetical possibilities is a waste of time (especially when you assume that it is true). The real powers that be put these theories out there to distract people. Why wouldn't they do that? Think about it.

Would they do that if they really were aliens? No! They would have murdered Icke long before he ever published a book about it, let alone gave lectures around the world.

[Anders Lindman]

It is pretty obvious that Watt not only has a superior accumulation of knowledge, but gives away almost everything he has produced for free

Alan Watt has a lot of interesting knowledge, some which I don't believe, but much of it is directly from official books written by the elite and such. I think people like Alan Watt, Alex Jones and David Icke don't have to worry too much about money because they are backed by powerful business interests who can pump in some billion dollars if need be. :D

[21_12_2012]

In one of his free mp3s. I don't know which one, but I think it was one of the ones originally on Sweet Liberty Radio, if that helps.

Thanks... I will attempt to find it if/when I find enough time.

Yes, Watt said it, and no you don't believe it because it is about David Icke, who you believe to be totally honest.

Well, it is the official David Icke forum, with David Icke supporters... Is there any proof that Watt said this to Icke ? Like a recording ? It's doubtful isn't it.

Because Watt understands how counter-intelligence works and how distracted people become by considering it.

And David Icke doesn't ?

Most people who are just waking up have no idea how it works and end up wasting years looking into total disinformation, myself included.

The only way you can prove that literal reptilians are disinformation is for you to have explored all the dimensions yourself, and attended top level illuminati satanic rituals, or even travelled back in time to the days when the ancient cultures 'gods' were here.

You are missing the point. Concentrating on hypothetical possibilities is a waste of time (especially when you assume that it is true). The real powers that be put these theories out there to distract people. Why wouldn't they do that? Think about it.

Alan Watt has even less proof of reptilians being disinfo, than Icke has of reptilians being literally existant.

Would they do that if they really were aliens? No! They would have murdered Icke long before he ever published a book about it, let alone gave lectures around the world.

Or, would they leave him alive due to the fact that the 'general public' would think Icke is mad, due to his reptilian theory, which is so far out from the conditioned mind, that hardly anybody would take him/it seriously, even though it is true ?!

Works both ways.

[mr_moon]

Listen guys ultimately it is not important what ANY of these people think or say. They don't force their information upon us, they don't tell us to believe what they are saying do they? It's wholly and completely our choice and our choice alone that we even LISTEN to these people!

If you have to pay for a book or a DVD so what? Isn't that what money is for? There is a lot to be said for 'value' and if you think something is valuable then you pay for it don't you? When something is 'free' a certain amount of value is lost in my opinion.

I am sometimes wary of 'free' information, as whoever is producing it clearly can afford to make it that way.

A lot of these conspiracy theorists are real left-brainers you know... which if you want to be really picky is something that David Icke isn't.

The greatest Conspiracy of all, if you want my great revelation, is all this Illuminati, 9/11, Terrorism, Government, Conspiracy Theorist VS Conspiracy Theorist, Dualistic Views and UFO information is the BIGGEST DIVERSION EVER to prevent us from becoming Aware of Our Evolving Consciousness.

We are evolving at a rate unheard of in modern civilisation and a lot of us are waking up to ourselves. The Dualistic 'this VS that' perception is becoming blended into a greater whole and no longer becoming an issue- this is why all these other 'famous' conspiracy theorists are popping into existence.

Arguing about what is true or not is pointless. What IS true is that we are all Energetic, Glowing Lifeforms with more Power than you could care to shake a stick at and we are STILL repressing ourselves by focusing on who is right and who is wrong, who is good and who is bad.

Make an effort to experience your SELF and understand the Power you posess- you can change the World with a Thought...

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[21_12_2012]

Listen guys ultimately it is not important what ANY of these people think or say. They don't force their information upon us, they don't tell us to believe what they are saying do they? It's wholly and completely our choice and our choice alone that we even LISTEN to these people!

If you have to pay for a book or a DVD so what? Isn't that what money is for? There is a lot to be said for 'value' and if you think something is valuable then you pay for it don't you? When something is 'free' a certain amount of value is lost in my opinion.

I am sometimes wary of 'free' information, as whoever is producing it clearly can afford to make it that way.

A lot of these conspiracy theorists are real left-brainers you know... which if you want to be really picky is something that David Icke isn't.

The greatest Conspiracy of all, if you want my great revelation, is all this Illuminati, 9/11, Terrorism, Government, Conspiracy Theorist VS Conspiracy Theorist, Dualistic Views and UFO information is the BIGGEST DIVERSION EVER to prevent us from becoming Aware of Our Evolving Consciousness.

We are evolving at a rate unheard of in modern civilisation and a lot of us are waking up to ourselves. The Dualistic 'this VS that' perception is becoming blended into a greater whole and no longer becoming an issue- this is why all these other 'famous' conspiracy theorists are popping into existence.

Arguing about what is true or not is pointless. What IS true is that we are all Energetic, Glowing Lifeforms with more Power than you could care to shake a stick at and we are STILL repressing ourselves by focusing on who is right and who is wrong, who is good and who is bad.

Make an effort to experience your SELF and understand the Power you posess- you can change the World with a Thought...

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

Well said !! I agree :)

[eternal_spirit]

I first heard Watt on some USA radio show and he was describing how the Law Courts have much symbology etc. He puts out some really good info that I hadn't come across. The only problem I have with Watt is the same as Icke, they both tend to repeat a lot of info, which is good for people who are new to this stuff. But for us long time seekers we need new deeper info and it's not easy sifting through piles of stuff you've seen before, plus all the possible disinfo out there.

You need to find the real diamonds amongst the dust on Watt's site, same goes for Icke's books. If you don't find anything of interest this will put you off. I'll try find some good links later, which will make you think in a completely different way about certain issues and people.


Out of all the guests in the archives on that Radio station, to me at the time he seemed to be the only one who wasn't religous or New Age,aliens etc, which I've heard or read about before but talks about known facts or seemingly so.

As for disinfo look at Bill Cooper he was given and was putting out info, he later found to be disinfo from bad sources which he admitted too. This is the problem about reps and much other subjects of research, even the writers aren't sure all of it is real, or disinfo. So an honest writer faces the same dilemas that the average researcher like ourselves has to deal with and decide what's real and what's not.

[mr_moon]

As for disinfo look at Bill Cooper he was given and was putting out info, he later found to be disinfo from bad sources which he admitted too. This is the problem about reps and much other subjects of research, even the writers aren't sure all of it is real, or disinfo. So an honest writer faces the same dilemas that the average researcher like ourselves has to deal with and decide what's real and what's not.

We're all learning- even the conspirators. We're all the SAME at the end of it all and in Reality EVERYTHING IS TRUE AND EVERYTHING IS NOT all at the same time.

If we believe something to be real then we wish it into Reality- it works everytime. This is the Power we have as Human Beings but we don't have the understanding to accept that just yet- so it is dismissed.

Does it sound more fantastical than Reptilians or UFO's? To know that we can Manifest ANYTHING into Existence?

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[mavis_analogue]

David Icke

you are a member of Love Society and used brain scanners to watch civillians.

You committed yourself to the ritual society when at the BBC and you were groomed to "bring in" the luciferian "new age" at the dawn of 2012.

you will not succeed. Buddha stopped you already.

You deny watching people on Brain Scanners? You deny being A member of Love Society?

Professor Chaosica
Edinburgh
www.chaosica.co.uk
www.analogue.org.uk
www.boywithpigtails.co.uk

[bicycle]

Listen guys ultimately it is not important what ANY of these people think or say. They don't force their information upon us, they don't tell us to believe what they are saying do they? It's wholly and completely our choice and our choice alone that we even LISTEN to these people!

If you have to pay for a book or a DVD so what? Isn't that what money is for? xxx


Ultimately, money is for control:

"Give me control of the nations money and I care not who is in power" - Rothschild.

[matrixcutter]

Alan Watt has a lot of interesting knowledge, some which I don't believe, but much of it is directly from official books written by the elite and such. I think people like Alan Watt, Alex Jones and David Icke don't have to worry too much about money because they are backed by powerful business interests who can pump in some billion dollars if need be. :D
Alan Watt is backed by powerful business interests?

[mr_moon]

Ultimately, money is for control:

"Give me control of the nations money and I care not who is in power" - Rothschild.

We control our own lives. The moment we realise this is the moment that money isn't for control but just another Energy Form that exists in our 3D Reality.

Nobody controls us- we control our selves.

[mavis_analogue]

Alan Watt is backed by powerful business interests?

Alan Watt is open-minded in my book.

boy with pigtails.

www.boywithpigtails.co.uk

[matrixcutter]

Yes, Watt said it, and no you don't believe it because it is about David Icke, who you believe to be totally honest.
Well, it is the official David Icke forum, with David Icke supporters...
Interesting comment.

Is there any proof that Watt said this to Icke ? Like a recording ? It's doubtful isn't it.
It's doubtful that there is a recording of it, yes.


Because Watt understands how counter-intelligence works and how distracted people become by considering it.
And David Icke doesn't ?
If he does, then it doesn't bode well for him.



Most people who are just waking up have no idea how it works and end up wasting years looking into total disinformation, myself included.
The only way you can prove that literal reptilians are disinformation is for you to have explored all the dimensions yourself, and attended top level illuminati satanic rituals, or even travelled back in time to the days when the ancient cultures 'gods' were here.
Well they must be real then. You do realise that you could substitute the word "reptilians" for an infinite number of (other) gibberish disinformation theories and use that as a basis for an infinite number of paths of meaninglessness, don't you?



You are missing the point. Concentrating on hypothetical possibilities is a waste of time (especially when you assume that it is true). The real powers that be put these theories out there to distract people. Why wouldn't they do that? Think about it.
Alan Watt has even less proof of reptilians being disinfo, than Icke has of reptilians being literally existant.
That isn't true. I like how some of you Icke followers will just say anything to support your argument. It doesn't really matter if it's true or not, or if you are in a position to know whether or not it is true.
Maybe you need to attend more Illuminati rituals. LOL


Would they do that if they really were aliens? No! They would have murdered Icke long before he ever published a book about it, let alone gave lectures around the world.
Or, would they leave him alive due to the fact that the 'general public' would think Icke is mad, due to his reptilian theory, which is so far out from the conditioned mind, that hardly anybody would take him/it seriously, even though it is true ?!
No, if it was true and it really was an incredibly important ancient secret, and they could prevent people from finding out about it, they would not hesitate to do so. You are not being logical because you WANT it to be true. That is common in those who fall for disinformation.

Works both ways.
What you seem to mean here is, whatever way you look at this from, you will choose to somehow rationalise your belief in shape-shifting reptiles.

[john white]

Who said that? Alan Watt I suppose.... hmmm... do we believe him ?!
Yes, Watt said it, and no you don't believe it because it is about David Icke, who you believe to be totally honest

Yes Watt said it, on that Radio show he used to do with that lady (Jackie someone?) and I dont believe it becuase the evidence presented was piss poor: apprently the name "Icke" is related to the german word for "Oak" and that proves it etc...

Fact is, most of these conspiracy researchers have a pop at each other from time to time, doesnt mean anything other than they are human with human weaknesses

A lot of Watts info is good... but info alone is never enough, its also where we look at it from

Listen guys ultimately it is not important what ANY of these people think or say. They don't force their information upon us, they don't tell us to believe what they are saying do they? It's wholly and completely our choice and our choice alone that we even LISTEN to these people!


All true, regretably though it makes for a forum of dull threads, which is why it is usually ignored

[21_12_2012]

You do realise that you could substitute the word "reptilians" for an infinite number of (other) gibberish disinformation theories and use that as a basis for an infinite number of paths of meaninglessness, don't you?

Not really no. Try substituting 'reptilian' for 'giraffe', then go and check all the ancient culture's links to the 'gods' of their civilisations, and go and interview people from over 40 countries to see if their encounters with entities involved 'shapeshifting giraffes'... it won't add up... or try 'penguins' ... or 'armadillo's'... you'll actually find that only 'reptilian' fits the picture.

That isn't true. I like how some of you Icke followers will just say anything to support your argument. It doesn't really matter if it's true or not, or if you are in a position to know whether or not it is true.
Maybe you need to attend more Illuminati rituals. LOL

So you're saying Icke will 'just say anything' to support an argument about reptilians too... actually he is just presenting information... maybe you need to do some digging yourself... LOL

No, if it was true and it really was an incredibly important ancient secret, and they could prevent people from finding out about it, they would not hesitate to do so.

How would they have been able to prevent people from finding out about his reptilian research... once his first book about it was published then the information is out,... too late..

You are not being logical because you WANT it to be true.

Do I ?... Oh right.. you must know me better than I know myself. LOL

That is common in those who fall for disinformation.

Why are you here on this site ? If in your opinion Icke is disinforming us why not just keep away ?

What you seem to mean here is, whatever way you look at this from, you will choose to somehow rationalise your belief in shape-shifting reptiles.

LOL... actually no, the research and information speaks for itself... it outweighs Watt's 'disinfo' theory.

[Anders Lindman]

Alan Watt is backed by powerful business interests?

Sure. He he. Well, I actually don't know if that is true, but it could be true! The same theory I had about Ron Paul. My speculation is that these people are secretly being backed directly and/or indirectly by powerful business interests who are working against the established elite. My guess is that not only people at the grassroot level are against the elite but also that people higher up in the power pyramid have become really fed up with the tyrannical and dictatorial control in the hands of the banking elite.

[mr_moon]

What's all this 'Icke Followers' business? We all know this information ANYWAY but we forget that we hold the Entire Knowledge of the Universe within us.

We know EVERYTHING already!! We just need to trust ourselves and let it out- it would make for an amazing forum actually because the only reason we argue, is because we doubt our SELVES- not the person we are arguing with...

[bicycle]

We control our own lives. The moment we realise this is the moment that money isn't for control but just another Energy Form that exists in our 3D Reality.

.


But untill then......:rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

David Icke

you are a member of Love Society and used brain scanners to watch civillians.

You committed yourself to the ritual society when at the BBC and you were groomed to "bring in" the luciferian "new age" at the dawn of 2012.

you will not succeed. Buddha stopped you already.

You deny watching people on Brain Scanners? You deny being A member of Love Society?


Professor Chaosica
Edinburgh
www.chaosica.co.uk (http://www.chaosica.co.uk)
www.analogue.org.uk (http://www.analogue.org.uk)
www.boywithpigtails.co.uk (http://www.boywithpigtails.co.uk)
...........................

Where do you think most of the New Age beliefs originated from? I'd say and so would many other that it came from Hinduism and Buddhism.

If you're going to come on this site and make accusations without any evidence no one will believe what you say.

No more mind games, no more rhymes, just plain English if you wan't people to listen.

[dondaz]

Well, Alan Watt has me guessing about some of the things he goes on about.

I listened to one of his talks last week and he said people who believe in this 3d reality and think it's all an illusion are being decieved. Those who think they can't die because of this 3d illusion.

He said it's designed to make people submit to the powers that be when they come for you.

Made sense to me but so does this 3d reality/illusion we are living in.

So, what's going on?

David Icke

you are a member of Love Society and used brain scanners to watch civillians.

You committed yourself to the ritual society when at the BBC and you were groomed to "bring in" the luciferian "new age" at the dawn of 2012.

you will not succeed. Buddha stopped you already.

You deny watching people on Brain Scanners? You deny being A member of Love Society?

Professor Chaosica

WTF is that all about? You trying to tell a joke or talking in secret codes or what?

This is the only love society I could find:

http://www.thelovesociety.com/

More dis-info to get us devided, that's for sure

We all know this information ANYWAY but we forget that we hold the Entire Knowledge of the Universe within us.

"If you seek to understand the universe, you will understand nothing at all.
If you seek to understand yourself, you will understand the universe!"

[mr_moon]

Well, Alan Watt has me guessing about some of the things he goes on about.

I listened to one of his talks last week and he said people who believe in this 3d reality and think it's all an illusion are being decieved. Those who think they can't die because of this 3d illusion.

He said it's designed to make people submit to the powers that be when they come for you.

Made sense to me but so does this 3d reality/illusion we are living in.

So, what's going on?


What a load of nonsense. This is just scaremongering.

What's this 'designed' business? Who 'designed' it? I don't need anyone to tell me that this Reality is created by us- i KNOW it is. It isn't a 3D Illusion- it's a 3D PERCEPTION!! Change you perception of 3D and it changes doesn't it? Reality is what you make it but it is still solid no matter how hard you believe it isn't. So change the 3D Reality through thought and Perception of Self.

There are things you KNOW deep inside and things you aren't sure of. If you are EVER unsure from your initial FEELING about something- then it doesn't resonate and you should leave it. Simple.

If a bus is coming towards you at high speed do you stand there and let it hit you? Even if your Instincts and Intuition tell you to move out of the way? Of course you don't.

Acknowledgement that we live in a 3D world is just as important as acknowledgement that we also exist in other dimensions too- it doesn't mean we can't create our reality. We are creating our 3D reality through 4D, 5D etc.. and it really is that simple.

If you want to exist in another dimension ALL THE TIME - for whatever crazy reason that may be- then you will have to die in the 3D realm. But then this poses the question- if you are not happy with the 3D world or if you don't accept it, then how can you accept any other dimension?

[tejas]

David Icke

you are a member of Love Society and used brain scanners to watch civillians.

You committed yourself to the ritual society when at the BBC and you were groomed to "bring in" the luciferian "new age" at the dawn of 2012.

you will not succeed. Buddha stopped you already.

You deny watching people on Brain Scanners? You deny being A member of Love Society?

Professor Chaosica
Edinburgh
www.chaosica.co.uk
www.analogue.org.uk
www.boywithpigtails.co.uk

I hate when people do this.

WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU ON ABOUT MATE?

[Anders Lindman]

Sure. He he. Well, I actually don't know if that is true, but it could be true! The same theory I had about Ron Paul. My speculation is that these people are secretly being backed directly and/or indirectly by powerful business interests who are working against the established elite. My guess is that not only people at the grassroot level are against the elite but also that people higher up in the power pyramid have become really fed up with the tyrannical and dictatorial control in the hands of the banking elite.

But even if that is true, it doesn't mean that they sponsor Alan Watt with loads and loads of money, because it's better if Alan can support himself through selling books and donations from ordinary people. A similar thing with Ron Paul. If big sponsors would begin to pump in huge amounts of money, then that would be like trying to use expensive television advertisements to increase web site traffic. It would only hinder the grassroot movement. Commercial ads and sponsoring can be useful sometimes, but that alone cannot drive continuous traffic on the Web today for example. There has to be real organic growth.

[mr_moon]

I hate when people do this.

WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU ON ABOUT MATE?

Hehe! Don't get mad- just think how 'Brain Scanners' would be a GREAT title for an album!!

Jay
xxx

[eternal_spirit]

Hehe! Don't get mad- just think how 'Brain Scanners' would be a GREAT title for an album!!

Jay
xxx
........

LOL There is another thread somewhere about Brainscanners ask mavis he might find it for you Tejas.

[john white]

It does appear that Watt has repeated his claim recently.

Does anyone know where/when?

Same as last time, one awaits the evidence, and goes where the evidence points to

[matrixcutter]

It does appear that Watt has repeated his claim recently.
Why?

I don't think he has. Maybe Icke has mentioned it recently, has he?
But that doesn't mean that Watt has (publically) discussed the possibility that Icke is a freemason recently. And BTW, it wasn't just Oak = Icke, somebody told Watt that he saw Icke flashing masonic signals. Obviously that isn't proof, and it's just second-hand testimony so most of the Icke followers in here will instantly dismiss it, which is highly ironic if you think about it for a while.

Cue videos of George Bush Snr sitting next to a fire as proof that he is a lizard. :rolleyes:

I won't bother replying to the 2012 person, who chose to put words in my mouth and twist virtually everything I said. What would be the point?

[john white]

Why?

Becuase Icke's comment was posted very recently and refers to: "the last time he made these claims" (which would be the radio show last year, presumably)

[21_12_2012]

somebody told Watt that he saw Icke flashing masonic signals.

That would probably be because Icke has severe arthritis in his hands, which some people have highlighted in the 'secrets of the matrix' video as being satanic hand signals.

I won't bother replying to the 2012 person, who chose to put words in my mouth and twist virtually everything I said. What would be the point?

Whatever... i still love you !

[matrixcutter]

LOL


Yes, you Icke followers always do. At least you say you do.


So Icke is saying that not only has Watt accused him of being a freemason, but he has done it again recently?

(sorry i edited this post by mistake thinking i was "quoting it")

[bicycle]

LOL


Yes, you Icke followers always do. At least you say you do.


So Icke is saying that not only has Watt accused him of being a freemason, but he has done it again recently?

Whats with this "you Icke followers", I just dont get it:confused:

[thirdwave]

Watt has mentioned that Icke spoke to him and asked him for information several years back, and said that he would help Icke as long as he didn't spin it off into alien nonsense, and Icke agreed but did that anyway.



well thats a bit funny anyway.... why should we not hear about "alien nonsense" ??

the reason he "spins off" "alien nonsense" is because there is an awful lot to spin off..... not pulled from thin ait like Watt seems to be implying if he has said what you have quoted him saying...

if he thinks its alien nonsense then what does he think the illuminati are conected to....?? has he over looked something?

Im not to inspired my Watt to be honest... very defetest and stays in very "safe ground"

[thirdwave]

LOL


Yes, you Icke followers always do. At least you say you do.






lol

you have sent about 4 threads here on Watt , and you call us followers?.... to me it seems you are following Watt and would feel better if others also did?.

Define "followers"....

I fully support Icke, i would not say I follow him, I have my own life.

[bicycle]

There is a photo of Icke sitting in the grand wizards chair in some masonic lodge in the North American Union, oops I mean amero, sorry I meant America, but I dont think he had his apron on, or his trousers rolled up, so it does'nt count:D

[matrixcutter]

if he thinks its alien nonsense then what does he think the illuminati are conected to....?? has he over looked something?
Like what, aliens eating babies?

iIm not to inspired my Watt to be honest... very defetest and stays in very "safe ground"
How is he defeatist? Are you just upset with the nasty man who has criticised Icke?

[matrixcutter]

lol

you have sent about 4 threads here on Watt , and you call us followers?....
By "us" I assume you mean everybody in this forum. Obviously the answer to that is no, because that not only includes me, but others who do not fit this profile.

There are people in here who do, and you KNOW it!


to me it seems you are following Watt and would feel better if others also did?.
I would feel better if people looked at Watt's work, yes, especially the stuff about brain chips (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6117), which I happen to think is particularly important.

Define "followers"....
People who take their "followees" point of view in all situations, and insult those who don't, calling them trolls or government agents, or twist their words and attack the argument they wish had been made, rather than the one which actually was made.

You are fully aware that there are Icke followers in here.

I fully support Icke, i would not say I follow him, I have my own life.
Jolly good. Want to get off my back now?

[matrixcutter]

There is a photo of Icke sitting in the grand wizards chair in some masonic lodge in the North American Union, oops I mean amero, sorry I meant America, but I dont think he had his apron on, or his trousers rolled up, so it does'nt count:D
Indeed

[tinmenace]

Ok, well if anyone finds ACTUAL proof that David is a Freemason, please let me know so that I can add him to the other cocks on my Freemason thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4934).

[sean]

So what we have here are two researchers, and some people who are aware of both of their works, and some of just either one of them.

Now, setting aside the fact that Allan Watt called David Icke a freemason with absolutely no proof, even up to this very day - what's wrong with saying you like one or both of their works (partial or fully) without having to criticise and demonise the other?

Matrixcutter - you do realise you are on a David Icke forum, do you not? Don't be too suprised if you find people here who are aware and follow David's work.

[thirdwave]

Like what, aliens eating babies?


Yes, he or anyone else is more then free to disagree with these claims... as long as they are prepared to admit that masses of children go missing everyday and as much as you can point to people like Icke and say its just "alien nonsense" with no evidence... you can also point to the number of missing children and the amout of secrecy withint the socities acused and you will not be able to come across suficiant evidence to state that it does not go on.... sertainly not enough evidence to mock the idea and lable it nonsense.

How is he defeatist? Are you just upset with the nasty man who has criticised Icke?

lol, I'm not upset in the slightest... Its just I'm not sure how to disagree with you without giving you the impression I'm upset or too rapped up in Icke.... Like I say it is you (and supposedly Watt) who is creating the battle of researchers not I.

I find that Watt is actually what allot of his "followers" accuse Icke of being... he presents the problems and the wrong doings he See's and announces it as the huge problem it is.... but he does no go into the spiritual aspect of it all (or at least show an understanding of it) which is how they gained control of us to start with.... its like he keeps all his work within 3 dimensional logic and does not really venture outside.... which kind of leaves the situation helpless as the the strings are being pulled outside of that logic.... its all well having great info and reveling alarming info but if you don't wish to sniff around the roots, then to me its either pointless research or misleading research.

that being said I'm not going to say he is a shill or a disinfo agent... as this whole claim that he accused icke of being a mason is all hear say at the moment... the only thing I have heard him talk about is how some researchers who go on about the reptilian thing..... and implied they were leading people off stray... more of a little dig that an accusation...

either way...dis info or just someone who does not resonate with Ickes work... I have not really been inspired my Watts work, but everyone to there own.

[john white]

By "us" I assume you mean everybody in this forum. Obviously the answer to that is no, because that not only includes me, but others who do not fit this profile.

There are people in here who do, and you KNOW it!



I would feel better if people looked at Watt's work, yes, especially the stuff about brain chips (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6117), which I happen to think is particularly important.


People who take their "followees" point of view in all situations, and insult those who don't, calling them trolls or government agents, or twist their words and attack the argument they wish had been made, rather than the one which actually was made.

You are fully aware that there are Icke followers in here.


Jolly good. Want to get off my back now?

Oh come on Matrix cutter, have you any other choice but to say "yep, I am a Watts cheerleader"

Username: inspired by Watt

Threads started: all somewhat "Watty"

Signature "Watt this Watt that and Wattnot"

Now i don't mind that at all: but for you to characterise people as "icke followers" when your whole idenity here is essentially a Watt promotional is... well it's not deperately convincing is it? Looks one heck of a lot like projecting

Maybe its better to drop the attitude and we all let each other be: otherwise, sure as sure is, its all going to get reflected right back at you

[phoebe]

Signature "Watt this Watt that and Wattnot"

lol

[Anders Lindman]

Signature "Watt this Watt that and Wattnot"


Watt?! Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

[i_am]

Watt?! Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

Say watt?

This thread has become absolutely ridiculous!!

Who cares??

Isn't it about the information?

It is called discernment!!! Whatever works for you!

This nonsense has been discussed in several threads and gone absolutely nowhere, just got people arguing and pissed off.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrggggghhhh!!!

[bicycle]

Watt?! Sorry, couldn't resist. :D


Bugger, you beat me to it:D

[alexph777]

Motivation? Power trips...

I've heard it all before and no evidence.

[matrixcutter]

Now, setting aside the fact that Allan Watt called David Icke a freemason with absolutely no proof, even up to this very day -
Watt may have implied that he believed Icke was a freemason, but I don't think he categorically stated that Icke was one. I could be wrong on this and am willing to be corrected.

what's wrong with saying you like one or both of their works (partial or fully) without having to criticise and demonise the other?
Nothing, that is certainly an option.

Matrixcutter - you do realise you are on a David Icke forum, do you not? Don't be too suprised if you find people here who are aware and follow David's work.
That's an interesting way of framing it.
Yes I am aware that this is a David Icke forum.

[matrixcutter]

Oh come on Matrix cutter, have you any other choice but to say "yep, I am a Watts cheerleader"
That depends what you mean by cheerleader.

Username: inspired by Watt
Guilty.

Threads started: all somewhat "Watty"
Not guilty.

Signature "Watt this Watt that and Wattnot"
Yes, clever.
There are actually 2 useful mp3s in there and a link to several highly informative videos. Yes, all Watt related.

Now i don't mind that at all: but for you to characterise people as "icke followers" when your whole idenity here is essentially a Watt promotional is... well it's not deperately convincing is it? Looks one heck of a lot like projecting
Point taken. There's a difference between going out of your way to make people aware of someone's (non-reptilian based) work and being a follower, as you're more than intelligent enough to appreciate. You are not an Icke follower, but you are far more likely to take the side of someone defending Icke than someone attacking Icke on any given issue, that much is clear.

What do you make of Watt's mp3s about the brain chip (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6117)?

Maybe its better to drop the attitude and we all let each other be: otherwise, sure as sure is, its all going to get reflected right back at you
When people attack me, I have a tendency to be aggressive. I can't deny that. I apologise to the people who deserve an apology. You can make your own minds up about who they are.

I need to work on that.

[bicycle]

Hey matrix, I appreciate the watt links, I think he is a brilliant researcher on the mindset of the psycopathic nature of the criminal 'elite'.

[john white]

Well the point is that what I need to see is where Alan Watt has made his latest claims about Icke and what the evidence presented is. I suppose its a recent podcast or something, but i don't know. i've spent some time looking, but I've been doing other things as well. Mostly i'm happy to wait and I'm sure the info will turn up. I am going to need to see very good evidence for the allegation that Icke is a mason to swing my scales of probability to Watt's POV. But then, the same would be the case if others made similar allegations about Watt

I don't agree with Watt about all things: I don't agree with Icke about all things: organic portals for example: I don't vibe with that at all: it runs contrary to my own spiritual learning, and I feel its a mistaken POV

I like listening to Watt: I couldn't claim to have studied all his material. I havn't heard that mp3 about the brain chip for example. I'm happy to make some time for it. Theres a lot of good history in Watt's work and his stuff on masonic symbolism is quite insightful. But his overall attitude is somewhat dour and pessimistic for my taste, and its my view that his perception is not as broad as it could be with regard to solutions. Thats just him and who he is

IMHO the most important thing is for all of us to watch ourselves for signs of hero worship and go where the evidence takes us

[matrixcutter]

Yes, he or anyone else is more then free to disagree with these claims... as long as they are prepared to admit that masses of children go missing everyday and as much as you can point to people like Icke and say its just "alien nonsense" with no evidence... you can also point to the number of missing children and the amout of secrecy withint the socities acused and you will not be able to come across suficiant evidence to state that it does not go on.... sertainly not enough evidence to mock the idea and lable it nonsense.
Are you really suggesting that because children go missing, they must be being eaten by aliens?


lol, I'm not upset in the slightest... Its just I'm not sure how to disagree with you without giving you the impression I'm upset or too rapped up in Icke.... Like I say it is you (and supposedly Watt) who is creating the battle of researchers not I.
I agree with Watt (and MANY others) that getting people to focus on shape-shifting lizard people is not only harmful to the people looking for lizard people, but it is harmful in general, to those who seek to expose the New World Order to the average person, who can often feel comfortable with their lumping all "conspiracy theories" into one box which is characterised by the Elvis is alive living on the moon with the Loch Ness Monster and the royal family are baby-eating shape-shifting lizard people type theories.

So they dismiss everything that wasn't on the news before you even tell them what it is. I'm sure you must have experienced this.

I find that Watt is actually what allot of his "followers" accuse Icke of being... he presents the problems and the wrong doings he See's and announces it as the huge problem it is.... but he does no go into the spiritual aspect of it all (or at least show an understanding of it)
That isn't true.
He doesn't spend a lot of time on it, presumably because that is more of a personal journey, and because the verifiable information about the long-planned global agenda we are all living through is what will actually help us, all of us.


which is how they gained control of us to start with.... its like he keeps all his work within 3 dimensional logic and does not really venture outside.... which kind of leaves the situation helpless as the the strings are being pulled outside of that logic.... its all well having great info and reveling alarming info but if you don't wish to sniff around the roots, then to me its either pointless research or misleading research.
So what are we to do then?
Fight the reptilian overlords in the 4th dimension? Seriously, how?

And why is focusing on the 3-dimensional world a helpless situation?
Is it better if we focus on a hypothetical enemy of superior physical beings?


that being said I'm not going to say he is a shill or a disinfo agent... as this whole claim that he accused icke of being a mason is all hear say at the moment... the only thing I have heard him talk about is how some researchers who go on about the reptilian thing..... and implied they were leading people off stray... more of a little dig that an accusation...
A quick look around this forum should prove that he has a point, and Watt is not the only one who says this, obviously.

[tickles]

This is a divide and conquer technique people.
We're all on the same team. Let it go and lets put our effort into exposing the real villains out there.

[matrixcutter]

Well the point is that what I need to see is where Alan Watt has made his latest claims about Icke and what the evidence presented is. I suppose its a recent podcast or something, but i don't know. i've spent some time looking, but I've been doing other things as well. Mostly i'm happy to wait and I'm sure the info will turn up.
Well I'm looking forward to finding out what this is about too, because I've listened to all of Watt's recent mp3s and I don't remember hearing anything about Icke, although I may have missed something. Most of the recent mp3s have been guest spots (or guest host appearances) on RBN, incidentally.


I like listening to Watt: I couldn't claim to have studied all his material. I havn't heard that mp3 about the brain chip for example. I'm happy to make some time for it.
There are several mp3s in that thread I linked to, not just one, and links to all the transcripts are there too.


IMHO the most important thing is for all of us to watch ourselves for signs of hero worship and go where the evidence takes us
And we ought to remember that there is an awful lot of misleading evidence out there, as I assume you know.

[matrixcutter]

This is a divide and conquer technique people.
We're all on the same team. Let it go and lets put our effort into exposing the real villains out there.
Man City?

Edit: it's a football thing, in case you wondered.

[matrixcutter]

Hey matrix, I appreciate the watt links,
No problem, troll. :D

I think he is a brilliant researcher on the mindset of the psycopathic nature of the criminal 'elite'.
Me too.


March 28, 2007 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk) - "Predatory Pathocracy, Psychopathy and Their Prey - The Passive Public" (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_PredatoryPathocracy_March282007.mp 3)

So Much to Do, When You're Doing the Right Things - Problems Occur, Answers and Questions, "Conspiracy Theory" vs Using the Facts, H. G. Wells - Propagandist - Fabian Society - "The Open Conspiracy" Book, Information is Published in their Books, Royal Institute for International Affairs, Council on Foreign Relations - "Foreign Affairs" Magazine - Topic - "The New World Order" - Africa Agenda, Pigeon Holes for Talk Show Guests, Pre-Ordination, Ancient Priests' Prayer to the Sun - Astronomy - Predicting Eclipses and Comets, Threats from "Out There" - Alien Science Fiction, Government Must Terrify its Subjects to Maintain Order and Guide the Masses, George Orwell - "1984" Book - 3 Trading Blocks with Perpetual War, PATHOCRACY - Psychology of the Psychopath - Interbred Political Dynasties, Criss-Crossing Chemtrail Clouds - Polymer Spraying - Intensifies Heat and Storms, Habitat Areas - Local Associations of Experts - Daily Evaluations, NGO - Non-Governmental Organizations - Foundations, No Chemtrails on Local News, People are Losing Their Memory, Chemical Mixes of Chemical Trails, Aerosol Mixes of Tranquilizers, Transitory Memory Loss, Plato - Upper Strata - Bureaucracy - Military, History of the World is a Horror Show, Worship of the Wealthy, Money Keeps Armies Together, Nightly News - Casting Spells - A Surrealistic World - Programming, Loss of Compassion and Ability to Reason, Psychological Warfare, Surrealism - Form of Schizophrenia, Downloading and De-Sensitization, Dehumanization Process, Multi-Jurisdictional Task Forces - Modern Version of KGB, Reference Libraries, Techniques of Persuasion, Books - Things Made of Paper You Can Read, Illiteracy, Going Digital - Hippy Saying - "Dig It, Man" - Digit Man, Big Business of New Age Religion - Art Bell "Clones" - Limitless Imagination - Fascination - Gimmicks - Spin, La-La Land, People are Afraid of Dying - Afraid of Everything, Human Psyche - Normality and Abnormality, Margaret Thatcher - War Fantasy, Toy Soldiers, 911 - Pearl Harbor Type Event - Middle East War, Psychopaths - Co-operate for a Common Cause, Deviancy - Rise to the Top, Firing Squads - Rotation of Soldiers, Bertrand Russell - Taking Children Away from Parental Influence, Persuasion and Marketing Industry - "The Hidden Persuaders" Book - Pupil Dilation Surveillance, Terminology of the "Customer" - Better Mouse-Trap - Investing-Wolves and Sheep, Psychopath Lives on Pure Ego - Must Win - Are Poor Losers, Psychopathy within Society and Psychologists, The Present Open Window of Opportunity, Hanging On to that Which is Human vs Taking a Brain-Chip, Exposing Secret Societies - Sifting Mechanism of Freemasonry-Eastern Star-Etc., Lies to the Public - Unfulfilled Promises, Dull Eyes, Regaining Our Humanity, Feelings of Being Overwhelmed - Dealing With It in Your Own Way, A Little Greek Dance

Transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_PredatoryPathocracy_March282007.ht ml)


March 29, 2007 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk) - "Prophets of Profit and How Psychopaths Make a Killing" (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_ProphetsOfProfit_March292007.mp3)

Treadmill of Investors and Investing - Fear of Poverty, Fallout of the System, Left-Right-Up-Down Leaders are Given, Psychopathic Fascists at Top - Psychopathic Communist Bureaucracy, Taxation - Fees - Licensing, Profit is Killing the People - Saturated Markets, Star - Mercury - Sun News, Poisoned Pet Foods - Contaminated with Rat Poison Aminopterin - Kidney Failure, Massive Recall of Menu Foods, "Tainted" Foods - Wheat Gluten from Chinese Sources, Chinese Food Pollution - Heavy Metals and Toxins in Farmer's Rivers, Cheaper and Cheaper Until it Hits Rock-Bottom, "Soylent Green" Movie - Reconstituted Human Body Meat - "Make Room, Make Room" Book, Food Scarcity - Starving Populations, Scientifically Created Food, Big Brands Purchase from Same Sources, Coloring Dog Food, Genetically Modified Crop Producers - Agriculture - GMO Guinea Pigs - Canada - David Suzuki, Population Reduction, CON-Jobs, Splicing Genes of Insects and Animals to Put In Vegetables, Plants Can Produce Drugs - Poppy - Heroin - Cocaine - Coca-Cola, Covert Operations, Take-Over of Food - Clothing - Shelter - Water, United Nations - Distributor of World Food Supply, Special Food for Bureaucrats, Gossip and Trivia, Disinformation and Hype, Good People are Attracted to What They Know is True, Persona Projection, Having a Nice Day, Pittance Wages - Caps - Badges - Uniforms, Conflict Establishment - Opposing Views, Farming - Animal Slaughter, Companionship, Barnyard Childhood Fun, Eating Creatures, Gestalt - Eureka Moments, Charles Forte "We're Being Farmed", Living Like Animals while Elite Live Like Kings, Conquering Dilemmas Individually, Logic of Darwinism, Having Time to Think, Psychopathic Killing Sprees, Predatory = Pre-Date Society, Coats of Arms - Kipling's Joke - "Jungle Book" - King of the Jungle - the Lion, Current Crisis Point in Society - Marketed Thoughts and Ideas, Unique Abilities - Trained Not to Use Them, Breaking Through, Rage and Anger, Emulating Television Programming, Scientific Schooling, Burned Dinners, Psychosis, Inner Struggles, Carl Jung, New Age Religion for a New Age, Christianity, Eternal Stories, Politicized Translations, Story of Jesus - Trinity - Parthenogenesis - Antimimon Pneuma - Dreams - Myths - Miracle Tales, Heroes and Monsters, Reason and Enlightenment, Christian Consciousness

Transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_ProphetsOfProfit_March292007.html)


March 30, 2007 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk) - "Machiavellian Masters robbing the Wealth of Nations" (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_MachiavellianMasters_March302007.m p3)

Worldwide Weather Warfare, Domestic Bees (Dying Off), Texas Tornados, Aerial Chemtrail Spraying, Shepherding Techniques, States of Knowledge - Acceptance - Waking Up, Human Sheep-Pens - Habitat Areas, Propaganda - Historians - Histories of Kings - Egypt, Rewriting History, Employing Spies to Monitor the Public, Machiavelli - Advisor to Royalty - Managing the Populace - Psychopaths - Pulse of the Public, Crisis Management, "The Prince and the Discourses" Book by Max Lerner, Humanism - Idealism - Theology - Metaphysics - Political Realism, Inbreeding, Leaders Are Supplied to the People, Corruption, Freedom and Tyranny, Princes and Kings, Psychopathic Alliances, Rome, Appeasing the Masses, Dissentions and Disorders, Submission to Servitude, Terrifying the Public through Wars, When Public Fear Magistrates (Law) and Leaders, Faulty Base of the World System, Psychopathic Craving for Power Over Others, Megalomania- Want of Degrees - Titles - Statues - Awards - Appeals to the EGO, Imagery - Innate in Children - Intuition - Survival Mechanism, Subconscious Messages - Symbols - Unconscious and Conscious Mind, Satan - Embodiment of Evil with Human Characteristics, Gods and Deities with Human Attributes, Cunning - Tricks - Chess Game of the Psychopath, Mental Agility, Playing the Game, Con-Men at the Bottom - Swindling the Public, Running the World through Money and Your Labor, Exploitation by World Elite, Want of Peace and Security, Move of Industry to China - Years of Governmental and Business Negotiations, Living in Fear is Not Living.

Transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_MachiavellianMasters_March302007.h tml)


April 4, 2007 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk) - "The Best Laid Plans of Psychopaths Go Oft' Astray" (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_PlansOfPsychopathsGoOftAstray_Apri l042007.mp3)

Time Marches On, European ID Card, Elite's Fear of Being Overwhelmed by Public, Legality - A Published Agenda, Science and the Mysteries - Higher Masonic and Rosicrucian, Charismatic Leaders for Public, Totalitarian Regimes of Past - Disposable Leaders, Police Infiltration of Criminal Gangs, Psychopathic Types Chosen through Testing, Secret Services - CIA - Mossad, Rush Into the New System, 911 - Y2K - 2001, Project for a New American Century - Event on a Pearl Harbor Scale, Years of Bureaucratic Planning for Martial Law - New Society - World Order, Massive Daily Overhead Spraying - Bronchial Problems - Memory Loss - Hair Loss, War on the Public World-Wide, "Global Warming", Tree Taxes, Total Control of ALL Energy Resources, UN - Front Organization for Global Elite, Licensing and Bans on Wood Stoves, Elimination of Self-Sufficiency, Speaking Out While You Have a Chance - It Will be Forbidden Shortly, Brainwashed North American Population, WCC - Wicca - World Council of Churches, Twinkling of an Eye - Brain-Chips, Spellbound New Agers, Perennial Religion for Big Changes, "Suspected Terrorists", Surrealistic News, Blacklisting Individuals - Denial of Loans - Flights - Commodities - Food - Jobs, Expansion of "Terrorism", Color-Coding, Habitat Areas, Freemasonic and Eastern Star Organizations - Every Country, Using Terror and Fear to Get Public to Accept New Totalitarian Way of Living, Bulk of Population are Oblivious, Pavlovian Techniques of Conditioning, Idolization of Past Heroes and Conquerors, Psychopathy - Exaggerated Needs and Wants of Psychopaths, WWII American Occupation, Fatalism of Revelations' Interpretation, New Age Denial, Oneness - One Big Borg - Programmed, Suits and Ties - White-Coats - World of Experts, Everyone Must Choose for Themselves, Worship of the Elite, Acceleration of the Agenda, Passing Problems on to the Next Generation, Bacterial Warfare Laboratories, Putting Out Necessary Information, Going Through Hell before We See Any Light, Thanks to Mirror Websites and Donations Sent, Getting Involved.

Transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_PlansOfPsychopathsGoOftAstray_Apri l042007.html)

[tickles]

Man City?

Edit: it's a football thing, in case you wondered.

Ahh, i get it now. :D I'm a kiwi and we're all rugby players over here.

[john white]

And we ought to remember that there is an awful lot of misleading evidence out there, as I assume you know.


Its only evidence if we agree it is: and we are all responsible for what we agree with

[i_am]

OK! I have had breakfast and two cups of coffee, I am calmer now :)

The thing is, it matters not whether it be Icke, Watt, Tsarion, Maxwell, Jones etc etc etc.

They are all getting the information from 'sources' and mostly the information is the same. The difference is how they interpret this information. Does that make them right or wrong, or just different? Human even?

One thing they all have in common is the NWO agenda. Some go further ie Icke and talk about things that are beyond that. This is not his exclusive information. It is all out there from many researchers. He has read this research, done his own, and formed an opinion, which he is not afraid to give. He is not telling you that you must accept it. He is just putting it out there.

I didn't find it too far out as I had read it all before I read anything written by David Icke. I had already formed my opinions. What my opinions are is of no consequence to anyone else. It is MY opinion and I feel no need to try and make anyone see my POV.

I cannot understand this need to discredit any of these brave people. 'He is a freemason', 'he is mind controlled', 'he is a disinfo agent' and so it goes.

We are all adults (well most of us) and as such we can sift the information, look up other sources, do our own research, and make up our own mind. There is no need to try and discredit any one of them. We are in a time when shit is being exposed and until that time let's stop with the rumours and ineundo. It is pointless and it is devisive. To beat these bastards we need to UNITE.

[matrixcutter]

Ahh, i get it now. :D I'm a kiwi and we're all rugby players over here.
It must sting a bit that we're actually world champions then. I can't see it lasting though. Next month isn't it?

My cousin's a kiwi, and he tells me how much better rugby is, but I'm afraid that's just silly.

[matrixcutter]

Its only evidence if we agree it is: and we are all responsible for what we agree with
Que?

Edit: having re-read it, the second half now makes sense, but I'm still puzzled by the first half.

[geo2]

:) it was prob on the show, that dear-Alan is on 2nite at 10pm-est that Alan mentioned mi6 etc, as well as elsewhere in the past.... just put a nice Michaelangelo Sex Video and watch the 'god n goddess' go2it and this is what the fn 'controllers/elites' would take from the 'masses' with their 'chip'....sure David/Alan/most-others would agree we have to stop the 'bastards' who seek to control the 'passion/emotion' of the Human-Machine { space-suit }......... also 4a-little added flavor, we should 'FOCUS' on the 13yo plus 'prisoners' and free-em to enjoy their Head/Minds and enjoy 'Rocky' in holy-union with us-all...miles n miles of 'Rocky'....................

Star~of~the~Sea~Maria........................Infin ity

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[john white]

Its only evidence if we agree it is: and we are all responsible for what we agree withQue?

Edit: having re-read it, the second half now makes sense, but I'm still puzzled by the first half.

If i say to you "this proves something" you have to make a free will choice to agree that it does: if you dont make that free will choice, and instead make the free will choice that is doesnt prove something then there is absolutely no way that what I might present counts as evidence of anything in your reality. Being as absolutely everything we accept or reject is all built upon our free will choices, we are 100% responsible for the lot of it

Hence the path of wisdom with conspiracy info is not to cry "I have been sold a lie!" but to realise "I have bought a lie!"

This simple understanding alone prevents conspiracy info dis-empowering us

[revolution 9]

mavis_analogue needs to pass that bowl over here

[unique one]

How could anyone say that David is a Freemason, when the evidence says he
is such a true humanitarian and force for good in the world.The man who said it
is utterly insane and couldn't develop a conspiracy theory to save his life. The
world is becoming too cynical when folks like David are falsely accused e.g.
Freemasons would never dream in a million years of recruiting such a really stup-
endous man like our forum leader. All i have to say is leave it out,ruin your own
id idiot!

[earthseed]

Can anyone tell me what Alan Watt does? But, call everyone else a liar and repeat the same info that all the authors have already put out there? Oh but he does it by his log cabin and acts all milita about it okay well I guess everybody needs a gimmick. I realize that he's the new kids on the block and is very popular because he keeps things very very simple. But, if we think that only one person has got all the answers like he is trying to portray himself as we need to think again. Some advice to Alan just call David what everybody else does: A loon. Thanks.

[barbitone]

From http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

For those who wish information on Reptilian people, rather than waste my time, please check the entertainment sections of major bookstores or visit the local zoo and look up these particular categories: Crocodilia, Squamata, Rhynchocephalia, and Testudines. If the department head is in good form he may answer some questions, depending on how hot or cold-blooded he feels at the time, but generally he's a good egg.Don't show off your knowledge on the subject, because he may become green with envy and give you a watered down story. Failing that, have a hypnotist see if
you're highly suggestible or ponder this profound statement by Adam Weishaupt:

"Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"

See, this is what I don't like. It's not that it is in dis-agreement with the reptilian theory. No, no. It's the level of maturity and respect that is being presented. Know what I mean? There are much better ways of wording this message without it taking the piss....

That goes for you to Matrixcutter. If you dis-agree with the idea, fine. But why do you sound like a grade school kid while stating it over and over....

When you try to tell people what they think like this it demonstrates my point.

Yes, Watt said it, and no you don't believe it because it is about David Icke, who you believe to be totally honest.

...you assume to know all about what "aliens" would do "if" they were "real" and say stuff like this:

Would they do that if they really were aliens? No! They would have murdered Icke long before he ever published a book about it, let alone gave lectures around the world.

This is just daft for many reasons....just think a little longer.....

Well they must be real then. You do realise that you could substitute the word "reptilians" for an infinite number of (other) gibberish disinformation theories and use that as a basis for an infinite number of paths of meaninglessness, don't you?

You package anyone that disagrees with you as just an "Icke follower" that just follows....:rolleyes: And end it with petty sarcasm...

That isn't true. I like how some of you Icke followers will just say anything to support your argument. It doesn't really matter if it's true or not, or if you are in a position to know whether or not it is true.
Maybe you need to attend more Illuminati rituals. LOL

This is more like what you are doing matrixcutter....

I won't bother replying to the 2012 person, who chose to put words in my mouth and twist virtually everything I said. What would be the point?

Stuff like this is more proof that your balls haven't dropped:

Like what, aliens eating babies?

What was that about twisting words again matrixcutter?

Originally Posted by thirdwave View Post
lol

you have sent about 4 threads here on Watt , and you call us followers?....

Matrixcutter: By "us" I assume you mean everybody in this forum. Obviously the answer to that is no, because that not only includes me, but others who do not fit this profile.

There are people in here who do, and you KNOW it!

That reply was classic word twisting^ You knew exactly what he was trying to say.

What you seem to be saying here is that you are a Watt follower and you are obviously vigorously defending his name and then you point out the obvious which is that someone who agrees with Icke's work will most likely defend Icke. Exactly. Why not.

Originally Posted by sean :
Now i don't mind that at all: but for you to characterise people as "icke followers" when your whole idenity here is essentially a Watt promotional is... well it's not deperately convincing is it? Looks one heck of a lot like projecting

Matrixcutter: Point taken. There's a difference between going out of your way to make people aware of someone's (non-reptilian based) work and being a follower, as you're more than intelligent enough to appreciate. You are not an Icke follower, but you are far more likely to take the side of someone defending Icke than someone attacking Icke on any given issue, that much is clear.


When people attack me, I have a tendency to be aggressive. I can't deny that. I apologise to the people who deserve an apology. You can make your own minds up about who they are.

I need to work on that.
__________________

Yes you do.

...but then you jump straight into being a moron again..... Icke doesn't focus on reptilians much at all. Your description at the end tells me everything. The way I found out about the NWO etc was actually because the shape-shifting reptilians thing caught my attention because it was so far out.

I agree with Watt (and MANY others) that getting people to focus on shape-shifting lizard people is not only harmful to the people looking for lizard people, but it is harmful in general, to those who seek to expose the New World Order to the average person, who can often feel comfortable with their lumping all "conspiracy theories" into one box which is characterised by the Elvis is alive living on the moon with the Loch Ness Monster and the royal family are baby-eating shape-shifting lizard people type theories.

So they dismiss everything that wasn't on the news before you even tell them what it is. I'm sure you must have experienced this.

If people do this^ then that is the problem. Not the theories but your perception of truth. It's one thing to hear the truth but it is an entirely different thing to know the truth when you hear it.


So what are we to do then?
Fight the reptilian overlords in the 4th dimension? Seriously, how?

And why is focusing on the 3-dimensional world a helpless situation?
Is it better if we focus on a hypothetical enemy of superior physical beings?

No fighting required. In any density.
Looking at things from only a "3D" perspective is only going to get you so far.... probably to a new war. Looking at things beyond that, is like getting up on to higher ground to observe your position, you don't have to but it will certainly help.

So that's my beef.:D Whether or not the Illuminati are human or reptilian isn't as important as the way we talk with each other and share this experience we call life together. The real issue is the one I'm pointing out. Level of consciousness. Level of spiritual and mental maturity. Capacity to make effort to find middle ground rather than horde ego energy from each other.

In fact in a lot of threads I find that the way people are communicating is much more of an issue that what they are discussing......

You see what I'm getting at though don't you matrixcutter? If you don't take this stuff into account you may come across looking like just another troll.....
I think a lot of the things you say to people are reflections of your attitude. You presume people to be vigorously defending Icke because you do that with Watt. So from your perspective it looks like they are doing that. When you say that Icke is focusing on reptilians and therefore distorting the real info and misleading etc, again, to me I just hear you saying that this how you interpret the info.... Your just saying that you ignore info that talks of things that are what you would describe as "crazy".

Also, I've never heard one good reason why the reptilian theory is in-valid. Not one. Except of course "because it's ridiculous". Or "it's just dis-info". Pathetic. If it WAS true, could you accept it? Would you want to know? Could you handle that reality? I think those questions are more important.....

So yeah. Cop that.:D

[Anders Lindman]

I don't believe in David Icke's reptile story with shapeshifting lizards. Nor do I believe in Alan Watt's Borg story with brain chips. But as metaphors they are very accurate. Plus, these stories are great entertainment, and that can often be a powerful tool.

Mr. Besserwisser :D

[sibe]

Your missing the whole point here, matrixcutter is Alan Watt or maybe a love child, the last time i looked above it said David Icke.com or David Oak if you prefer, people can make their own mind up matrixcutter, if they don't agree with bits of David’s work then hey you don’t agree with it, leave it walk away from it, no need to stand on the Watt soap box is their, Hey i don't agree so nobody else should attitude, Do i think David is a Mason? Hell know.. If he where they would be streams of evidence not here say, it's 2007 you can't fart without someone reporting the smell..

[tinmenace]

Your missing the whole point here, matrixcutter is Alan Watt or maybe a love child, the last time i looked above it said David Icke.com or David Oak if you prefer, people can make their own mind up matrixcutter, if they don't agree with bits of David’s work then hey you don’t agree with it, leave it walk away from it, no need to stand on the Watt soap box is their, Hey i don't agree so nobody else should attitude, Do i think David is a Mason? Hell know.. If he where they would be streams of evidence not here say, it's 2007 you can't fart without someone reporting the smell..

Right, I think a multitude of people have addressed this with him before, and I'll say it again. There is plenty of room for Alan Watt and anyone else who exposes the truth and brings it to the public attention, but why slam David ON DAVID'S OWN SITE in the process?

Alan doesn't even have his own forum, so here you are, piggybacking on David's forum, but you can't even be respectful about it.

I dunno about anyone else, but it makes me NOT want to listen to Alan Watt at all. I don't want to support him at all because of Matrixcutter's tactics.

[bicycle]

Right, I think a multitude of people have addressed this with him before, and I'll say it again. There is plenty of room for Alan Watt and anyone else who exposes the truth and brings it to the public attention, but why slam David ON DAVID'S OWN SITE in the process?

Alan doesn't even have his own forum, so here you are, piggybacking on David's forum, but you can't even be respectful about it.

I dunno about anyone else, but it makes me NOT want to listen to Alan Watt at all. I don't want to support him at all because of Matrixcutter's tactics.





Why throw the baby out with the bath water?:confused:

[tinmenace]

Why throw the baby out with the bath water?:confused:

I'm just saying how it makes me feel about looking into Alan Watt's work...thanks to Matrixcutter.

To every action, there is a reaction.

I have asked before what Alan has exposed that David has not already covered, and it seems there is nothing. So, in addition to the nasty vibe around Alan Watt's work instigated by Matrixcutter's disrespect toward David, AND the lack of new information, there is nothing there for me at this time.

[Anders Lindman]

Why throw the baby out with the bath water?:confused:

I listen to Alan Watt, but sometimes I get irritated by his tone of voice and stop listening. Depends on my own mood at the moment I guess. :D

[limelady]

I'm just saying how it makes me feel about looking into Alan Watt's work...thanks to Matrixcutter.

To every action, there is a reaction.

I have asked before what Alan has exposed that David has not already covered, and it seems there is nothing. So, in addition to the nasty vibe around Alan Watt's work instigated by Matrixcutter's disrespect toward David, AND the lack of new information, there is nothing there for me at this time.


I would have to second that .......but I'd add it to the fact that Alan Watt's
monotone voice is SO boring it lulls me off to sleep after 10 minutes every
time I try listening to him...regardless of what information he is relaying at
the time. http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1674.gif

Perhaps Alan cold broaden his listener base if he offered a service for
insomniacs?

[mr_moon]

I think everyone is missing the reality of this whole topic by REACTING. When we REACT to something our perception and awareness become clouded by emotion and opinion (or Ego) and we are unable to see the Truth in what is occurring.

Step back, observe, do not judge and you will SEE...

[john white]

I think everyone is missing the reality of this whole topic by REACTING. When we REACT to something our perception and awareness become clouded by emotion and opinion (or Ego) and we are unable to see the Truth in what is occurring.

Step back, observe, do not judge and you will SEE...

Exactly. There's nothing to react to until we can find were Watts has made these recent claims

[tinmenace]

I would have to second that .......but I'd add it to the fact that Alan Watt's
monotone voice is SO boring it lulls me off to sleep after 10 minutes every
time I try listening to him...regardless of what information he is relaying at
the time. http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1674.gif

Perhaps Alan cold broaden his listener base if he offered a service for
insomniacs?

Yes, we were talking about voice resonance on a different thread yesterday, concerning Alex Jones. The voice just doesn't resonate for me. Makes a huge difference.

[oneofmany]

If Icke was dis-info, there would be subjects he wouldn't touch, like the Jesuits for instance, but he covers the gamut from what I have read and saw. This is a good indicator for mine as to who is running a game and who truly believes what they are putting out is accurate. I can't say that Alan, or David are dis-informing us, but I can say that they are more truthful than our good mate Alex Jones.:eek:

[bicycle]

I think everyone is missing the reality of this whole topic by REACTING. When we REACT to something our perception and awareness become clouded by emotion and opinion (or Ego) and we are unable to see the Truth in what is occurring.

Step back, observe, do not judge and you will SEE...

Everyone!?!

Nice website btw,http://www.limitlessness.com/, thanks for the link:)

[eternal_spirit]

Can anyone tell me what Alan Watt does? But, call everyone else a liar and repeat the same info that all the authors have already put out there? Oh but he does it by his log cabin and acts all milita about it okay well I guess everybody needs a gimmick. I realize that he's the new kids on the block and is very popular because he keeps things very very simple. But, if we think that only one person has got all the answers like he is trying to portray himself as we need to think again. Some advice to Alan just call David what everybody else does: A loon. Thanks.
.........
LOL :D
I think you'll find Watt has been a researcher longer than most, so I'd say he was putting out info first. He was a musician and reckons he composed music, played and recorded as a session musician in studios for many famous artists. Claiming at times he would have to fill in for other musicians in a band because they where to out of it as in stoned.

[eternal_spirit]

See, this is what I don't like. It's not that it is in dis-agreement with the reptilian theory. No, no. It's the level of maturity and respect that is being presented. Know what I mean? There are much better ways of wording this message without it taking the piss....

That goes for you to Matrixcutter. If you dis-agree with the idea, fine. But why do you sound like a grade school kid while stating it over and over....

When you try to tell people what they think like this it demonstrates my point.



...you assume to know all about what "aliens" would do "if" they were "real" and say stuff like this:



This is just daft for many reasons....just think a little longer.....



You package anyone that disagrees with you as just an "Icke follower" that just follows....:rolleyes: And end it with petty sarcasm...



This is more like what you are doing matrixcutter....



Stuff like this is more proof that your balls haven't dropped:



What was that about twisting words again matrixcutter?



That reply was classic word twisting^ You knew exactly what he was trying to say.

What you seem to be saying here is that you are a Watt follower and you are obviously vigorously defending his name and then you point out the obvious which is that someone who agrees with Icke's work will most likely defend Icke. Exactly. Why not.






Yes you do.

...but then you jump straight into being a moron again..... Icke doesn't focus on reptilians much at all. Your description at the end tells me everything. The way I found out about the NWO etc was actually because the shape-shifting reptilians thing caught my attention because it was so far out.



If people do this^ then that is the problem. Not the theories but your perception of truth. It's one thing to hear the truth but it is an entirely different thing to know the truth when you hear it.




No fighting required. In any density.
Looking at things from only a "3D" perspective is only going to get you so far.... probably to a new war. Looking at things beyond that, is like getting up on to higher ground to observe your position, you don't have to but it will certainly help.

So that's my beef.:D Whether or not the Illuminati are human or reptilian isn't as important as the way we talk with each other and share this experience we call life together. The real issue is the one I'm pointing out. Level of consciousness. Level of spiritual and mental maturity. Capacity to make effort to find middle ground rather than horde ego energy from each other.

In fact in a lot of threads I find that the way people are communicating is much more of an issue that what they are discussing......

You see what I'm getting at though don't you matrixcutter? If you don't take this stuff into account you may come across looking like just another troll.....
I think a lot of the things you say to people are reflections of your attitude. You presume people to be vigorously defending Icke because you do that with Watt. So from your perspective it looks like they are doing that. When you say that Icke is focusing on reptilians and therefore distorting the real info and misleading etc, again, to me I just hear you saying that this how you interpret the info.... Your just saying that you ignore info that talks of things that are what you would describe as "crazy".

Also, I've never heard one good reason why the reptilian theory is in-valid. Not one. Except of course "because it's ridiculous". Or "it's just dis-info". Pathetic. If it WAS true, could you accept it? Would you want to know? Could you handle that reality? I think those questions are more important.....

So yeah. Cop that.:D
................

You sound like a hypocrite, you accuse matrixcutter of this that and the other then you do to him what you accuse him of doing, which I don't think he has done what you say he has.
I think you're the one who needs to grow up. Have you actually read many Icke's books ? Or listened to Watt, or read his transcripts and books? I doubt it with what you've posted.

[lifeofbrian]

From David Icke:
Apparently, I'm a Freemason.

Bollocks.

[fleensteen]

You know what's so funny about this new Alan Watt sensation?

In his own video on his website called "Reality Check" he concludes that the controllers at the top are "obviously not human" download it and see it's free.

He's talked about HAARP making holograms of Winged Men swooping down in front of him , why would the elite give him such tastey ammunition to use against them creating the whole alien phenomenon?

At a party one night he said a woman "Floated down the stairs" and started to talk to him, she was a "demon" and had "all red eyes" she couldn't help telling alan how powerful he was and that they should be working together to which alan graciously refused.

So he has only recently come to this higher sciences answer for everything theory.

I don't know how he would explain the demon woman experience using his new theory unless he is to concede he was under mind control.

I can't really take him seriously when he says he went to adult libraries when he was 5 and started his research at such a tender age.

I've listened to over 100 hours of this guy so i know what i'm talking about.

What worries me is how many people listen to this guy and suddenly think he's the real deal and all the other researchers are working for the elitejust because he says so...

[bicycle]

You know what's so funny about this new Alan Watt sensation?

In his own video on his website called "Reality Check" he concludes that the controllers at the top are "obviously not human" download it and see it's free.

He's talked about HAARP making holograms of Winged Men swooping down in front of him , why would the elite give him such tastey ammunition to use against them creating the whole alien phenomenon?

At a party one night he said a woman "Floated down the stairs" and started to talk to him, she was a "demon" and had "all red eyes" she couldn't help telling alan how powerful he was and that they should be working together to which alan graciously refused.

So he has only recently come to this higher sciences answer for everything theory.

I don't know how he would explain the demon woman experience using his new theory unless he is to concede he was under mind control.

I can't really take him seriously when he says he went to adult libraries when he was 5 and started his research at such a tender age.

I've listened to over 100 hours of this guy so i know what i'm talking about.

What worries me is how many people listen to this guy and suddenly think he's the real deal and all the other researchers are working for the elitejust because he says so...

So it took you over 100 hours of listening to this guy, to come to your oponions:D

[mada88]

Alan not Allan lol. There are a few radio interviews with Alan where the subject of David possibly being a freemason are brought up http://matterik.blogspot.com/2007/04/david-icke-mason.html there are two there.
I remember listening to one where Alan was talking about Davids last name Icke. I heard it on a youtube video. On the Hehpsehboah interview she tells Alan about when she interviewed David and she talked to him about masonary and and about his father possibly being a mason. Alan goes onto say that David was confronted by some ex high masons who tested David with the secret handshakes and he passed. He then says about what Pike said about how the elite always put out a pied piper to play a good tune for the children to follow.
Also on the secrets of the matrix DVD how did David manage to get into that grand lodge in america? Wouldn't they have tight security on a place like that?
I wonder if Alan will provide some evidence on the matter. It will have to be better than then crappy photos from before :p

[eternal_spirit]

LOl madda those crappy photos were potsed by a mason(masonic3) on this site who was later banned.

[mada88]

LOl madda those crappy photos were potsed by a mason(masonic3) on this site who was later banned.

eternal_spirit I liked this "Yes and theories are there to be tested to make them a proven reality, but the contradiction is if it still exists but cannot be proven in a tangible way it still exists. Some things can never be proven, strange world isn't it." I was just looking at it, I suppose you could relate it to the Icke mason theory.
Its all about where you get your in-formation from and where do they get it from and so on. Could it be that it all comes from the same source?

[lifeofbrian]

This thread is a good example of how rumours and speculations can ruin lives.

In the opening post David Icke is quoted as himself saying the accusation is not true.

But we are not to engage a bit of trust now are we. Oh no, there is a conspiracy behind everything. Surely total strangers know more about the person than the person himself.

Either you take David's word for it or you can presume he is a liar and a puppet and then you had better bin all the ideas he has forwarded and start from scratch.

Personally I trust David Icke is speaking the truth as he knows it. After all, he is the expert on himself, just like Alan Watt is the expert on Alan Watt.

Sandbox issues.

[eternal_spirit]

eternal_spirit I liked this "Yes and theories are there to be tested to make them a proven reality, but the contradiction is if it still exists but cannot be proven in a tangible way it still exists. Some things can never be proven, strange world isn't it." I was just looking at it, I suppose you could relate it to the Icke mason theory.
Its all about where you get your in-formation from and where do they get it from and so on. Could it be that it all comes from the same source?
...................

It's possible there is a control centre were info is passed from around to different resarchers, to make it appear to come from many sources.
We know the brotherhood do their best to control the media and output of info. They can't control everything, so some truth must break out.

I've spent years believing certain issues, only to change my mind later. So frustrating, Imagine how Icke or Watt feels if or when they find some of their info has come from dodgy sources, must get to them.

I guess it's best to ignore rumors and comments with no evidence to back the claims up.
Take the best info and appreciate Icke and Watt. They both claim they could be leading a quiet, hassle free life making lot's of cash doing something other than write books. They could of taken the easy way out. Watt says he's been asked to join the Higher degrees of masonry and offered money and a lifestyle in some tropical Island paradise or to be a famous musician.

Icke could of been a TV celebrity probably had his own sports show etc etc and have none of the ridicule he faces these days.

[mada88]

Yeah its true they can't control everyone One always gets away. You can’t completely control everyone one always slips through the cracks and gets away. There will always be those who wake up and see through the illusion, even if nobody else around them can. The controllers will never be able to fully control everybody and keep every last one in the pen.
I suppose its like the idea of perfection It can never be reached. Or maybe doing things without being self conscious is doing it perfect?

[bicycle]

I personaly think its just a little bit of jelousy, just human nature no big deal.

Icke has constantly exposed the masons as part of the global agenda in most of his books and audio interviews and stage presentations.

This will not stop me from listening to watt who has a very interesting perspective on the mindset of the mafia 'elite'.

Time to move on:)

[fleensteen]

That's a constructive comment Mada...

I listen to the guy and get alot out of his talks, just as i do david icke or anyone else, can't be putting all our eggs in one basket when it comes to this sort of information.

Alan Watt's information adds something more to the mix and i welcome that, picking sides isn't gonna help because no one person has all the answers.

Accusing fellow researchers of things with zero evidence is what this topic was about and all i was refering to.

[mada88]

That's a constructive comment Mada...

I listen to the guy and get alot out of his talks, just as i do david icke or anyone else, can't be putting all our eggs in one basket when it comes to this sort of information.

Alan Watt's information adds something more to the mix and i welcome that, picking sides isn't gonna help because no one person has all the answers.

Accusing fellow researchers of things with zero evidence is what this topic was about and all i was refering to.

Thats all that matters in the end what YOU get out of it. I agree about the picking sides thats daft and yes no one has all the answers (maybe people aren't asking all the questions?) When someone is called dis-info or we are told we shouldn't go there I believe they are the places we must go.

[infinitely free]

Because Watt understands how counter-intelligence works and how distracted people become by considering it. Most people who are just waking up have no idea how it works and end up wasting years looking into total disinformation, myself included.

I believe David presents, what he believes to be facts!

Keep up with the good job, David! We all need your research, and the facts you present, to us.

(:o I am not a premier subscriber yet, but one day will get round to it :))

[mada88]

...........................

Where do you think most of the New Age beliefs originated from? I'd say and so would many other that it came from Hinduism and Buddhism.

If you're going to come on this site and make accusations without any evidence no one will believe what you say.

No more mind games, no more rhymes, just plain English if you wan't people to listen.

Is the new age masonic? http://matterik.blogspot.com/2007/04/new-age-movement-and-service-to-plan.html matterik does his research.

Masonary and the new age http://jonathan-mcgregor-bethel.zaadz.com/

Its a real shame that, that mason3 or whatever he was called was banned.

[unique one]

Re- Alan Watt.
I know quite a bit about Scots accents and Alan Watt's has that peculiar
quality ,which, Commander Scott's also exhibited.:eek:

[king]

know thyself ... and you will know what is true what not

an allegation without any proof should be a dead give away
that given information may not be true and it should be scrutinized.


what we should do if such dilemma arises (as who is right and who is wrong) is ask those who are alleging something for a proof, then verify it for ourselves, not argue amongst ourselves.

both of the men in question are just humans dissecting a grand conspiracy by trying to reverse engineer it.
not surprisingly -- they made many mistakes, just like you and i would if all that we had to start with were mostly unknown facts and hearsay.

And like someone said -- Bill Cooper was the best example of someone who WAS deceived about alien agenda and who had enough guts to admit that he was.
majority of other researchers would never admit that they were hoodwinked. I have more respect for those people who are willing to learn from their own mistakes and share the methods of deception than _know_it_all_ egos who preach from their high pulpits as if they were a deity of some kind.


when you begin to trust your own intuition -- you begin to understand the whole picture lot better.

I take what i can take from any of the numerous conspiracy researchers, but but frankly I am the one who is now always putting their information through a B.S. detector, mainly because my training wheels are off now and there is nothing that i cannot do without them if i put my mind to it.

because, information is all around us and it is also in us and all that we need to do is -- reach for it.

but, conversely -- i am appreciative of all of their information, even the one that turned out to be wrong
or disinfo because that helped me grow spiritually, and maybe that is the idea.

And greatest mistake is to start sucking on that 'information tit' provided by your favorite conspiracy researcher and take it as absolute truth.



:D

In order to grow -- we need other humans...many of other humans, the more humans -- the better.

:)

[earthseed]

I love David's response to all this shillness give me the evidence I will post it. And of course he hears nothing! This is just another example of trying to confuse people into going back to the mainstream because the alternative regular people have created is not trustable. That's a great way of destroying a true opposition another inside job in the making.

[vienna]

Not really no. Try substituting 'reptilian' for 'giraffe', then go and check all the ancient culture's links to the 'gods' of their civilisations, and go and interview people from over 40 countries to see if their encounters with entities involved 'shapeshifting giraffes'... it won't add up... or try 'penguins' ... or 'armadillo's'... you'll actually find that only 'reptilian' fits the picture.

.

the snake was the shape formed by the constellations through the night sky

its all based on astro-theology - Alan Watt explains this very well

I do think despite all his good work David Icke has been mislead by the reptilian theory, as a way of making people throw the baby out with the bath water

[tinmenace]

... throw the baby out with the bath water

Ooh...coolio, you and Matrixcutter used the same expression! :)

[shottie]

Listen guys ultimately it is not important what ANY of these people think or say. They don't force their information upon us, they don't tell us to believe what they are saying do they? It's wholly and completely our choice and our choice alone that we even LISTEN to these people!

If you have to pay for a book or a DVD so what? Isn't that what money is for? There is a lot to be said for 'value' and if you think something is valuable then you pay for it don't you? When something is 'free' a certain amount of value is lost in my opinion.

I am sometimes wary of 'free' information, as whoever is producing it clearly can afford to make it that way.

A lot of these conspiracy theorists are real left-brainers you know... which if you want to be really picky is something that David Icke isn't.

The greatest Conspiracy of all, if you want my great revelation, is all this Illuminati, 9/11, Terrorism, Government, Conspiracy Theorist VS Conspiracy Theorist, Dualistic Views and UFO information is the BIGGEST DIVERSION EVER to prevent us from becoming Aware of Our Evolving Consciousness.

We are evolving at a rate unheard of in modern civilisation and a lot of us are waking up to ourselves. The Dualistic 'this VS that' perception is becoming blended into a greater whole and no longer becoming an issue- this is why all these other 'famous' conspiracy theorists are popping into existence.

Arguing about what is true or not is pointless. What IS true is that we are all Energetic, Glowing Lifeforms with more Power than you could care to shake a stick at and we are STILL repressing ourselves by focusing on who is right and who is wrong, who is good and who is bad.

Make an effort to experience your SELF and understand the Power you posess- you can change the World with a Thought...

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

Im feeling it bro:)

[eternal_spirit]

Is the new age masonic? http://matterik.blogspot.com/2007/04/new-age-movement-and-service-to-plan.html matterik does his research.

Masonary and the new age http://jonathan-mcgregor-bethel.zaadz.com/

Its a real shame that, that mason3 or whatever he was called was banned.
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Good links goes in depth on many issues, I've not read it all yet. Much of it seems to ring true to me.

m3 yes, he was entertaining at times, but was he trying to throw us off track. Guess it's like anyone else who comes on here defending their faith and belief systems.

[mada88]

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/radio/Eye_on_the_Future.html the very last one right at the bottom of the page. Is that the show hehpsehboah talked about where David got angry when she asked him about masonary?

DAVID ICKE

Thursday 12 January

4 PM to 6 PM EST

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/radio/Greg_Szymanski.html second one down.

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/radio/Eye_on_the_Future.html check out the March 12th, 2006 show
Is everything an "illusion?" The judicial court as a masonic temple The man in a black dress, Meanings of "G", Revelations, Hologram projections, Mormonism, Genealogy, Eugenics Benjamin Franklin - Madame Bouvier - Kennedy, Origins of Protestantism, Ignatius Loyola, Jesuit Order, The meaning of "Con", Military Masonic ritual, Knights Templar, Warrior Priesthood, Hashashins / Assassins, The Ghost in the Machine (YOU) Superman theory, The Empire Strikes Back

[john white]

I'm just working my way through the latest Watt's material linked on this thread (what a wonderfully eccentric radio host hes talking to!) and I find myself wondering:

Is Alan Watt an athiest? (or at least, loose agnostic?)

Its the only way I can make sense of the broad strokes with which Watt dismmises spirituality as being part of the agenda

If Watts is not athiestic/agnostic, how can he not know that genuine spirituality is subverted by esoteric occultic orders, but that fact on its own (unarguable IMO btw) does not discount the core of spiritual truth?

I've yet to come across any material where Watt discusses his own spirituality or perspective on spirituality

If he has, and someone knows where, could they point in the right direction?

I'd also like to point out its not a "problem" if Watt is an athiest: I have no problem with athiesm whatsoever, its a matter of personal conscience, and doesnt discredit his research

However, if that is the case, then surely that acts as a limitation of Watt's ability to comment accurately on what is or is not spiritual "disinfo"?

(Becuase ultimately, for an athiest, ALL spirituality is "disinfo")

[john white]

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/audio/Alan_Watt_On_EOTF_3_12_06_Hour_2.mp3

51:45 on this: the host starts to talk shite about Icke (someone else said to her that Icke said etc...) and Watt goes along with it...

I think hes just trying to have a good interview, and either doesnt know Icke's work that well himself (which isnt a crime), or is after the easy life

[logic bomb]

I've yet to come across any material where Watt discusses his own spirituality or perspective on spirituality

If he has, and someone knows where, could they point in the right direction?

There is 2 or 3 that I've heard recently where Alan refers to spirituality. He does recognise spirituality but he is deliberately not discussing it too much right now I feel. I think this is because he is trying mass deprogramming, so he's not talking about everything he knows or believes just yet, perhaps waiting for a larger audience before he steps it up. His new 3 weekly slot on RBN should do that so we'll see what he's saying 6 months from now.

lb

[mada88]

If someone could find the hehpsehboah show where she asks David about masonary that would be swell. I'm pretty sure it was the Thursday 12th of January 2006 show.
About Alan's views on spirituality I know he's said about the elite having there own religion at the top. Believeing in reincarnation and such. Check out 2001 for more ;).

[john white]

There is 2 or 3 that I've heard recently where Alan refers to spirituality. He does recognise spirituality but he is deliberately not discussing it too much right now I feel. I think this is because he is trying mass deprogramming, so he's not talking about everything he knows or believes just yet, perhaps waiting for a larger audience before he steps it up. His new 3 weekly slot on RBN should do that so we'll see what he's saying 6 months from now.

lb

Well OK: but I hope you uinderstand why I am left scratching my head somewhat as to exactly what that perspective might be, other than the general notion there is "something"

About Alan's views on spirituality I know he's said about the elite having there own religion at the top. Believeing in reincarnation and such. Check out 2001 for more

He says the elite believes in re-incarnation, or he believes in re-incarnation, or both?

[eternal_spirit]

Is Alan Watt an athiest? (or at least, loose agnostic?)


I've yet to come across any material where Watt discusses his own spirituality or perspective on spirituality

If he has, and someone knows where, could they point in the right direction?

(Becuase ultimately, for an athiest, ALL spirituality is "disinfo")
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Good question what does he believe?
Never come across anything yet.

John you don't have to believe in God (atheist) to be spiritual.
Besides, Watt has never claimed to be atheist as far as I'm aware.