Notice to Schools (UK)

[tien an]

Notice to Schools (UK)
With the new term (and academic year) starting this week, I've been working on a notice for the Head of the Primary School my daughter will be attending.

The notice (provisionally) is meant to be an addendum to the clause that I have already signed, stating that should my daughter require medical assistance (ie first aid), that the school has no need to contact me for permission to perform the same...the notice will obviously state that vaccines do not form part of first aid / medical assistance to which I previously consented.

I'm inviting comments on the following points:

1. How to word it.
2. How to word it so that I don't sound like a nut.
(The last thing I want is for it to backfire, and I have Social Services breathing down my neck, ready to take my daughter into care).
3. How far to go in threatening (promising) legal action should this happen.
(bearing in mind PDuffy's post where he included the response of two solicitors who didn't want to touch the subject with a barge-pole).

Looking forward to hearing from you all.

tian an.

[gilly]

I'm very interested to see what suggestions people make on this, because I'm extremely concerned about them sneaking in with vaccinations in school without consent.

[paintedlady]

I know if I were to recieve a similar notice then I would like to see an additional signature required for vaccines along the lines of this:

In the event the school being used as a vaccination centre full written information will be given and additional parental consent for each child will be required.

I'm expecting an avalanche of info in school bags in the next few weeks. It's good to know there are some "nuts" like you involved in such letter writing. :)

[golden lady]

Tien, one of my many jobs at sch is being a first aider. I work at a middle sch yr 5 -8. I'm almost sure the sch would not be allowed to vacinate without prior consent, don't panic too much.
I return to sch at the end of this week, I shall be going out of my way to hear if anything underhand is planned. I'll be posting on here as soon as and will even PM you.
As for your notice to the Head you can certainly add things and I'm sure as it curently stands they would have to abide by your wishes, as we do for JWs.
Maybe you could include vacinnes as part of a list such as painkillers etc.
Although, this all may obviously change. (I'm sure we all will be looking out for this, we then all need legal advice)!
I for one will not be getting the vacination and will be informing others of the dangers.
Take care

[yozhik]

60% of GP's would not choose to take the vaccine for themselves.
60% of nurses polled similarly.
The creators of the vaccine would not take their own vaccine.

What more do we need to know??
:mad:

[merlincove]

hi t

can you please link to the threads etc... (pduffy's and the original)

Have youn posted your notice elsewhere, and if so can you repost here

Saves us ^ looking :rolleyes:

ta mate

[americana]

Notice to Schools (UK)
With the new term (and academic year) starting this week, I've been working on a notice for the Head of the Primary School my daughter will be attending.

The notice (provisionally) is meant to be an addendum to the clause that I have already signed, stating that should my daughter require medical assistance (ie first aid), that the school has no need to contact me for permission to perform the same...the notice will obviously state that vaccines do not form part of first aid / medical assistance to which I previously consented.

I'm inviting comments on the following points:

1. How to word it.
2. How to word it so that I don't sound like a nut.
(The last thing I want is for it to backfire, and I have Social Services breathing down my neck, ready to take my daughter into care).
3. How far to go in threatening (promising) legal action should this happen.
(bearing in mind PDuffy's post where he included the response of two solicitors who didn't want to touch the subject with a barge-pole).

Looking forward to hearing from you all.

tian an.

Perhaps there is a legal forum that can help you. Expertlaw is a legal forum, but I am not sure if they are just touching upon U.S. law. However, maybe someone there can give you advice.

Other than that, why are you giving up control over all other medical decisions other than vaccinations, to the school? Do you want the school to just start giving her ritalin or adderal or something, and that's okay, because you just handed over that decision to them??? Okay, so maybe that's extreme, but why are you doing so?

I think that the letter needs to be about one thing, and one thing only, the vaccinations. Do not muddy the waters, that's my advice.

[tien an]

hi t

can you please link to the threads etc... (pduffy's and the original)

Have youn posted your notice elsewhere, and if so can you repost here

Saves us ^ looking :rolleyes:

ta mate

Hi m,

original thread has been/will be merged with this one.
PDuffy's posts: (I'll be back in a mo')

(EDIT: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1234455&postcount=26 )

I haven't posted the notice yet...I'm still working on it/turning it over in my mind.

thanks for the interest.

tian an.

[merlincove]

no problem mate, will be glad to help out with wordiness if you like.

i like wordiness.

maybe they will think you are a nut job tho - my kids school think i am, lol.

i wrote them some time ago explaining that my youngest couldn't do sports day because she was some obscure riligious type who didn't believe in it.

Apparently it was passed around the English department and recieved great accolade :D

m

[tom bombadil]

Notice to Schools (UK)
With the new term (and academic year) starting this week, I've been working on a notice for the Head of the Primary School my daughter will be attending.

The notice (provisionally) is meant to be an addendum to the clause that I have already signed, stating that should my daughter require medical assistance (ie first aid), that the school has no need to contact me for permission to perform the same...the notice will obviously state that vaccines do not form part of first aid / medical assistance to which I previously consented.

I'm inviting comments on the following points:

1. How to word it.
2. How to word it so that I don't sound like a nut.
(The last thing I want is for it to backfire, and I have Social Services breathing down my neck, ready to take my daughter into care).
3. How far to go in threatening (promising) legal action should this happen.
(bearing in mind PDuffy's post where he included the response of two solicitors who didn't want to touch the subject with a barge-pole).

Looking forward to hearing from you all.

tian an.

Hi. I am stabbing in the dark with these but it could get the ball rolling;

From what I have been seeing from others, we need to word it for the 'everyman' in us. Those that dont understand the big picture but still respect others 'rights'.

1) Wording is kept simple and to the point. Get the head to sign it or word it so that it is a 'Notice' so that if it was not signed then it was, and is, just as lawfully and legaly binding.

This would cover the powerfullness of the document on two levels, one for those in the know and one for the 'everyman'.

2) Religious reason is not an option or we could just all fallback on that one, and if you can then do it now!

So we need to use the word 'spiritual beleifs' or some-such. Not to be wishy-washy with it, something like 'it is against our spiritual understanding and belifes to allow an un-prescribed medication to be adminestered by anyone other than our leaders or us, the parent'.

3) So dont go there! Make it simple, like the crap the schools give us. Use their own logic and amend (as you say) the original 'binding' agrement that was signed by us in the first place. This should be easy to do and if you are quizzed by the clerk (most likely out of curiosity) then say that you have had a religious awakening (not a lie if you understand more about religious stuff or you are indeed religious now)


Nelly.

[krakhead]

60% of GP's would not choose to take the vaccine for themselves.
60% of nurses polled similarly.
The creators of the vaccine would not take their own vaccine.

What more do we need to know??
:mad:

Doctors and Nurses DO NOT create vaccines. The gov't tries to tell us what to do just as much as anyone else.

Just because someone works for the medical profession doesn't mean they are part of some nefarious NWO plan.

[cryst4l]

Doctors and Nurses DO NOT create vaccines. The gov't tries to tell us what to do just as much as anyone else.

Just because someone works for the medical profession doesn't mean they are part of some nefarious NWO plan.

In total agreement krakhead :)

They have not created the vaccine but will be part of process to implement it, but if they are not willing to take it, then in the words of my girlfriend's 16 year old son "that say's it all".

BTW he has some idea of the world in which we actually live but not all, I feel it is too much to grasp for someone even of a his maturer age, so feed him little snippets at a time :)

EDIT: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1236896#post1236896

[americana]

Doctors and Nurses DO NOT create vaccines. The gov't tries to tell us what to do just as much as anyone else.

Just because someone works for the medical profession doesn't mean they are part of some nefarious NWO plan.

WORD!!!!

I was in the doctor's office today, waiting for Dr. to come in and do the exam, and I overheard two doctors talking in the hallway. Both said they had gotten the flu shot last year and got the flu anyway.

[tien an]

Doctors and Nurses DO NOT create vaccines. The gov't tries to tell us what to do just as much as anyone else.

Just because someone works for the medical profession doesn't mean they are part of some nefarious NWO plan.

I have to jump to yozhik's defence here, krakhead: I don't think he meant to imply that doctors and nurses created the vaccine...
As I read it, it says:

1. 60% of doctors won't take it.
2. 60% of nurses won't take it.
3. (even) the creators of the vaccine won't take it themselves...

Read differently now?

That's what I understood anyway.

tian an.

[tien an]

Thank you all for your posts.

I'll be drafting it tonight and post it.

You can all then pounce on it and tear it to shreds...and then I'll put it back together again, ok?:)

Heavenly Peace,

tian an.

[the worm that turned]

Been doing a LOT of work in this area, including letter to Andy Burnham with a Sworn Declaration of Truth included for him to sign and return. Naturally he hasn't returned it but I did put in a caveat that if he doesn't sign the statement then he admits that he does not support the vaccine programme (will set up a separate thread with details of documents sent and received as I feel this is a VERY IMPORTANT BIT OF INFORMATION I HAVE).

I did receive a response from the DOH but they gave some woolly, ill thought through and unreferenced responses that I have picked them up on. Looking forward to hearing back from them as the 14 days is close to being up.

On the reference/source front, Yozhik, do you have a source for the 60% info? I could do with it to show my other half ;)

[cryst4l]

Been doing a LOT of work in this area, including letter to Andy Burnham with a Sworn Declaration of Truth included for him to sign and return. Naturally he hasn't returned it but I did put in a caveat that if he doesn't sign the statement then he admits that he does not support the vaccine programme (will set up a separate thread with details of documents sent and received as I feel this is a VERY IMPORTANT BIT OF INFORMATION I HAVE).

I did receive a response from the DOH but they gave some woolly, ill thought through and unreferenced responses that I have picked them up on. Looking forward to hearing back from them as the 14 days is close to being up.

On the reference/source front, Yozhik, do you have a source for the 60% info? I could do with it to show my other half ;)

And everyone else wormy :) that is a blinding stat to show anyone ;)

[dolores1]

Check www.mercola.com for letters and forms. They are designed for the USA, but common law is common.

Best of luck, I'll be telling them where to stick it.

[adzboarder]

Interested to see the draft tien an. Good thinking. :)

[tien an]

Here is the (sanitised) version of the Notice I handed to the Headteacher of my daughter's Primary School.

(It has already been served).

The only annotation that she (the headteacher) insisted I make was:

"First Aid includes the application of sticking-plasters, bandages and antiseptics".

NOTICE

NOTICE TO AGENT IS NOTICE TO PRINCIPAL
NOTICE TO PRINICIPAL IS NOTICE TO AGENT

XXXXXXX, 3rd September 2009.


Subject: Swine Flu Vaccinations / any other medication.
To: Head Teacher of XXXXXXXXXX Primary School, XXXXXXXX, Kent.
This notice is intended to amend / clarify the clause signed by me giving you and your colleagues my permission to perform first aid on my daughter XXXXXXX XXXXX, in the event of an emergency.
I would like the following amendments to be noted and, if necessary, for you or one of your colleagues to respond giving reasons for non-compliance within seven (7) days of serving this notice. A non-response will result in an immediate, permanent and irrevocable estoppel by acquiescence, meaning that you and your colleagues intend to comply with the listed amendments / clarification.
1. XXXXXXXX is not to be administered any form of medication without my explicit, written consent.
2. In the event that XXXX XXXXXXX Primary School becomes a Centre for Vaccination and/or children from this school are to be transported elsewhere for this purpose, and/or anyone or body corporate intend on visiting the School for the purpose of vaccination, XXXXXX is not to take part in these activities.
3. In the event that XXXXXXXX falls ill at school; I am to be informed immediately.
4. In the event that XXXXXXXX is suspected of being infected with Swine Flu, I am to be informed immediately.
In the event that XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX Primary School, or any of its employees allows XXXXXX to be vaccinated (in particular, but not restricted to 'Swine Flu'), I will not hesitate to raise the issue with the relevant authorities and take legal action in the courts to sue for damages to the extent of the School's full commercial liability.

Without prejudice, ill-will, vexation or frivolity,

XXXXXXXX.


So; do you think it's enough?

Apparently, I'm not the only one who has served such a notice on her this morning (encouraging, don't you think?).
On questioning her a little, she admitted that she had heard that WHO were considering mandatory vaccination (unless she spends time here or on Youtube, I think this means she's already been to a meeting or two with this as the subject), but "can't imagine it being implemented...people would be up in arms..."

Heavenly Peace,
tian an.

[merlincove]

Great letter tien en

well done on that mate.

like you said earlier, you just have to watch your back with the officers of state ownership, the social services and that they don't get a finger nailm in there in respect of care etc.

But at the end of the day a parent is the legal representative of the child, it is up to yopu to keep her safe from all harm that you percieve.

Well done indeed my friend

[americana]

See, other parents are reading this very forum and thread! :D

Great letter. I like the way you signed off!

[adzboarder]

That's really excellent Tien an. It is made very clear that you are not to be fucked with. Great letter.

I have PM-ed you on this, hope you don't mind. :)

[tien an]

I'm very interested to see what suggestions people make on this, because I'm extremely concerned about them sneaking in with vaccinations in school without consent.

At risk of being accused of inflammatory language or hyperbole, I must point out that even the Nazis did everything 'legally', beginning with the 'Ermächtigung Gesetz'. (Handing over of absolute power to Adolf Hitler, commuting the office of Kanzler (Chancellor = Prime Minister) to that of Führer.
(I hope I don't need to translate 'Führer' for anyone).

Indeed, it is documented (Schindler's List, I think) that Rudolf Hoess eventually stopped his subordinate officers from executing (camp) prisoners on the spot, because it couldn't be legally justified. (would cause him problems trying to explain the loss of a worker).

I know; now I am beginning to sound like a nut...
Just remember that there was a conference not two weeks ago where they were discussing exactly the scenario I am trying to pre-empt and how best to implement it.
(See the Home Page of this site).

Anyone may copy and use the notice I have posted.
Although I'm no legal expert, I would use the exact wording.
I say this because legalese is a different language to English.
(look up 'including' in a legal dictionary).
I have spent hours researching every phrase of that (tiny) text.

All the best,
tian an.

PS Thank you for your comments and praise.

[tom bombadil]

Hi tien an. I have added to your original as I felt it left things out (mostly that of an outsider coming in on the school).

I would appriciate it if you (and others) commented on it for me. Like you I (try to) understand the legalese issue in the notice and have tried to get it right.

One thing I will say is that it looks harsh and maybe too complicated for the type of reader it is aimed for. What say you?

NOTICE

NOTICE TO AGENT IS NOTICE TO PRINCIPAL
NOTICE TO PRINICIPAL IS NOTICE TO AGENT

8th September 2009.


Subject: Swine Flu Vaccinations and any other medication.
To: Head Teacher of xxxxxxxxxx Primary School, xxxxxxxxxxx, Surrey.

This notice is intended to amend and clarify the clause signed by me or us, xxxxxxx and/or xxxxxx xxxxxxx, now referred to as xxxxx-xxxxx and/or xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx, giving you and your colleagues my/our permission to perform first aid on my son, xxxxxxx xxxxxxx, now referred to as xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx, in the event of an emergency.

I would like the following amendments to be noted and, if necessary, for you or one of your colleagues to respond giving reasons for any non-compliance within seven (7) days of the serving of this notice. A non-response will result in an immediate, permanent and irrevocable estoppel by acquiescence, meaning that you and your colleagues intend to comply with the listed amendments and clarification that follow.

1. In the event that xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx falls ill at school or when away from the school when in the schools charge; I or we are to be informed immediately.
2. xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx is not to be administered any form of medication by you or any of your colleagues or medical practitioner or anyone qualified in administrating medication or vaccinations visiting or stationed at xxxxxxx School without my or our explicit, written consent or directly by me or us, face to face with you or one of your colleagues. The phone is not used to grant permission. This does not include simple first aid from the first-aid box.

3. In the event that xxxxxxx Primary School is to become a Centre for Vaccination or other title thereof and/or children from xxxxxxx Primary school are to be transported elsewhere for vaccination and/or anyone or body corporate intend on visiting the School for the purpose of vaccination, xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx is not to take part in these activities, and I or we are to be informed immediately of this visit in writing and/or by phone and if the visit is to be on the day that you or your colleagues find out that your school will be visited by those intent on administrating vaccinations or of the removal of children including but not limited to xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx then you will endeavour to protect my son from the visit by phoning me or us and physically removing xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx from the school or situation to a safe place or at the very least in keeping xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx away from the other officials until a time that I /us arrive to remove xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx from the school until further notice from I/us.

4. In the event that xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx is suspected of being infected with Swine Flu, I or we are to be informed immediately. In the event that xxxxxxx Primary School or any of its employees or medical practitioner or anyone qualified in administrating medication or vaccinations visiting or stationed at xxxxxxx primary School allows xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx to be vaccinated in particular, but not restricted to 'Swine Flu', I/we will not hesitate to raise the issue with the relevant authorities and take legal action in the courts to sue for damages to the extent of the School's full commercial liability.


Without prejudice, ill-will, vexation or frivolity,

xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.
xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.


Nelly.

[tien an]

Hi tien an. I have added to your original as I felt it left things out (mostly that of an outsider coming in on the school).

I would appriciate it if you (and others) commented on it for me. Like you I (try to) understand the legalese issue in the notice and have tried to get it right.

One thing I will say is that it looks harsh and maybe too complicated for the type of reader it is aimed for. What say you?

NOTICE

NOTICE TO AGENT IS NOTICE TO PRINCIPAL
NOTICE TO PRINICIPAL IS NOTICE TO AGENT

8th September 2009.


Subject: Swine Flu Vaccinations and any other medication.
To: Head Teacher of xxxxxxxxxx Primary School, xxxxxxxxxxx, Surrey.

This notice is intended to amend and clarify the clause signed by me or us, xxxxxxx and/or xxxxxx xxxxxxx, now referred to as xxxxx-xxxxx and/or xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx, giving you and your colleagues my/our permission to perform first aid on my son, xxxxxxx xxxxxxx, now referred to as xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx, in the event of an emergency.

I would like the following amendments to be noted and, if necessary, for you or one of your colleagues to respond giving reasons for any non-compliance within seven (7) days of the serving of this notice. A non-response will result in an immediate, permanent and irrevocable estoppel by acquiescence, meaning that you and your colleagues intend to comply with the listed amendments and clarification that follow.

1. In the event that xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx falls ill at school or when away from the school when in the schools charge; I or we are to be informed immediately.
2. xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx is not to be administered any form of medication by you or any of your colleagues or medical practitioner or anyone qualified in administrating medication or vaccinations visiting or stationed at xxxxxxx School without my or our explicit, written consent or directly by me or us, face to face with you or one of your colleagues. The phone is not used to grant permission. This does not include simple first aid from the first-aid box.

3. In the event that xxxxxxx Primary School is to become a Centre for Vaccination or other title thereof and/or children from xxxxxxx Primary school are to be transported elsewhere for vaccination and/or anyone or body corporate intend on visiting the School for the purpose of vaccination, xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx is not to take part in these activities, and I or we are to be informed immediately of this visit in writing and/or by phone and if the visit is to be on the day that you or your colleagues find out that your school will be visited by those intent on administrating vaccinations or of the removal of children including but not limited to xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx then you will endeavour to protect my son from the visit by phoning me or us and physically removing xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx from the school or situation to a safe place or at the very least in keeping xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx away from the other officials until a time that I /us arrive to remove xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx from the school until further notice from I/us.

4. In the event that xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx is suspected of being infected with Swine Flu, I or we are to be informed immediately. In the event that xxxxxxx Primary School or any of its employees or medical practitioner or anyone qualified in administrating medication or vaccinations visiting or stationed at xxxxxxx primary School allows xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx to be vaccinated in particular, but not restricted to 'Swine Flu', I/we will not hesitate to raise the issue with the relevant authorities and take legal action in the courts to sue for damages to the extent of the School's full commercial liability.


Without prejudice, ill-will, vexation or frivolity,

xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.
xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx.


Nelly.

I think that's pretty good, Nelly. It certainly covers all the bases!
As for point 3., I think it would be difficult to expect them to remove your child from the school (unless there was a fire).
I just can't see that bit working.

Harsh?
Too complicated?

The woman I served notice on has more than 150 kids in her care, several academic qualifications to her name and was in no way phased by my actions.

No; she is qualified enough and, from what I saw, human being enough to take in what the notice means and not to be too phased by its being served on her.
As someone mentioned above; I definitely want the notice to make clear, on no uncertain terms, that I am "not to be fucked with".

Heavenly Peace,
tian an.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Great stuff.

[tom bombadil]

Ta much. I will amend.


Nelly.

[tom bombadil]

Try...

''3. In the event that xxxxxxx Primary School is to become a Centre for Vaccination or other title thereof and/or children from xxxxxxx Primary school are to be transported elsewhere for vaccination and/or anyone or body corporate intend on visiting the School for the purpose of vaccination, xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx is not to take part in these activities, and I or we are to be informed immediately of this visit in writing and/or by phone and if the visit is to be on the day that you or your colleagues find out that your school will be visited by those intent on administrating vaccinations or of the removal of children including but not limited to xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx then you will endeavour to protect my son from the visit or removal from school by phoning me or us and physically removing xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxx from the situation to a safe place or at the very least in keeping xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx away from the other officials until a time that I /us arrive to remove xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx from the school until further notice from I/us.

Better?


I am also working on a shorter one that can be handed in, in case the first is simply refused and tossed asside, but I will add the fact that it was hand delivered on the notice so that that issue, if required, is in with the evidence as a matter of fact if it all goes to court; ...

Subject: Swine Flu Vaccinations and any other medication.
Hand delivered To: Head Teacher of Xxxxxx Xxxxxxx School or colleague of same, Xxxxxxxxx, Surrey.



Nelly.

[tien an]

Without wanting to be picky, tom bombadil, I think you're complicating the issue.

I think points1, 2, 3 & 4 of my original cover things quite well:

1. XXXXXXXX is not to be administered any form of medication without my explicit, written consent.
2. In the event that XXXX XXXXXXX Primary School becomes a Centre for Vaccination and/or children from this school are to be transported elsewhere for this purpose, and/or anyone or body corporate intend on visiting the School for the purpose of vaccination, XXXXXX is not to take part in these activities.
3. In the event that XXXXXXXX falls ill at school; I am to be informed immediately.
4. In the event that XXXXXXXX is suspected of being infected with Swine Flu, I am to be informed immediately.

These points are deliberately short and to the point.
If you start adding conditions, you introduce room for confusion and therefore error.

This, of course, is just my opinion.
I'd stick to short, concise statements.

1., Don't do this.
2., If this happens, do this, not this.
3., If this happens, do this.
4., If this happens, do this.
or else!

I can tell you, if any of the above occur, I will be at the school as fast as I can run/drive, removing my daughter from their responsibility...simple.

Heavenly Peace,
tian an.

PS I took the trouble of printing out a receipt for the Notice, which has the same day's date on it and a space for anyone (agent or prinicipal) to sign.
She signed it, without a problem.
That receipt is now stapled to a copy of the Notice, in my files.

[yozhik]

Without wanting to be picky, tom bombadil, I think you're complicating the issue.

I think points1, 2, 3 & 4 of my original cover things quite well:

1. XXXXXXXX is not to be administered any form of medication without my explicit, written consent.
2. In the event that XXXX XXXXXXX Primary School becomes a Centre for Vaccination and/or children from this school are to be transported elsewhere for this purpose, and/or anyone or body corporate intend on visiting the School for the purpose of vaccination, XXXXXX is not to take part in these activities.
3. In the event that XXXXXXXX falls ill at school; I am to be informed immediately.
4. In the event that XXXXXXXX is suspected of being infected with Swine Flu, I am to be informed immediately.

These points are deliberately short and to the point.
If you start adding conditions, you introduce room for confusion and therefore error.

This, of course, is just my opinion.
I'd stick to short, concise statements.

1., Don't do this.
2., If this happens, do this, not this.
3., If this happens, do this.
4., If this happens, do this.
or else!

I can tell you, if any of the above occur, I will be at the school as fast as I can run/drive, removing my daughter from their responsibility...simple.

Heavenly Peace,
tian an.

PS I took the trouble of printing out a receipt for the Notice, which has the same day's date on it and a space for anyone (agent or prinicipal) to sign.
She signed it, without a problem.
That receipt is now stapled to a copy of the Notice, in my files.

I agree with the short statements and structure, as suggested;
This, of course, is just my opinion.
I'd stick to short, concise statements.

1., Don't do this.
2., If this happens, do this, not this.
3., If this happens, do this.
4., If this happens, do this.
or else!

It does not require verbosity, or to be too far up its own ass with jargon to be effective.

Break it down to logic statements;

IF ... [condition is met] ... THEN ... [action]
IF ... [action not taken] ... THEN [consequence]

I also question the use of the word "informed".
OK ... so they have informed you. Then what?

Remember, the Head of School may also just be a minion carrying out duties from above; oblivious to the big picture.
If I am a mere employee, faced with doing as I am told by "the hand that feeds me", or faced with a piece of paper from the mere mortals who do not control my future ... I know which way I'm going.

You want the Head of School to be understanding of your Notice and desires.
I would suggest also sending the same Notice up the chain, and do not stop until you get to the fish head.
Put them all on Notice, with risk of full commercial liability for failure to comply.

[tien an]

I agree with the short statements and structure, as suggested;
This, of course, is just my opinion.
I'd stick to short, concise statements.



It does not require verbosity, or to be too far up its own ass with jargon to be effective.

Break it down to logic statements;

IF ... [condition is met] ... THEN ... [action]
IF ... [action not taken] ... THEN [consequence]

I also question the use of the word "informed".
OK ... so they have informed you. Then what?

Remember, the Head of School may also just be a minion carrying out duties from above; oblivious to the big picture.
If I am a mere employee, faced with doing as I am told by "the hand that feeds me", or faced with a piece of paper from the mere mortals who do not control my future ... I know which way I'm going.

You want the Head of School to be understanding of your Notice and desires.
I would suggest also sending the same Notice up the chain, and do not stop until you get to the fish head.
Put them all on Notice, with risk of full commercial liability for failure to comply.

Once they've informed me, I turn up at the school and remove my daughter.
(You've got me thinking now...!)

As for sending the notice 'up the chain', I think you are onto something...
Your comment about the Head having to choose between the hand that feeds her and the piece of paper that will ultimately render her jobless...I agree; she'd probably choose the hand that feeds her...which makes sending the notice all the way up to the fish's head all the more important/necessary.

Thank you Yozhik (for taking the wind out of my sails...spoiling my Sunday afternoon, but ultimately waking me up to something I hadn't thought of.).

Heavenly Peace,
tian an.

[yozhik]

Once they've informed me, I turn up at the school and remove my daughter.
(You've got me thinking now...!)

As for sending the notice 'up the chain', I think you are onto something...
Your comment about the Head having to choose between the hand that feeds her and the piece of paper that will ultimately render her jobless...I agree; she'd probably choose the hand that feeds her...which makes sending the notice all the way up to the fish's head all the more important/necessary.

Thank you Yozhik (for taking the wind out of my sails...spoiling my Sunday afternoon, but ultimately waking me up to something I hadn't thought of.).

Heavenly Peace,
tian an.

Sorry :o

My point being that once they had informed you, the "contract" had been fulfilled.
So whatever action came after informing you did not form part of the Notice nor the contract.

School INFORMS parent [contractual obligation]... School does [action] post INFORMING [contractual obligation] ... said [action] is not part of aforementioned satisfied contract.

Re: going up the food chain; as always, I am drawn to Maxims of Law.
Specifically;

Plus peccat auctor quam actor.
The instigator of a crime is worse than he who perpetrates it. 5 Co. 99.

and ...

Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived.

[tien an]

Bloody hell....you're right.

I shouldn't have been so hasty to serve notice.

Now I'm going to have to do it again...(complete with loss of face).

Thanks for your input yozhik.


tian an.

[yozhik]

Bloody hell....you're right.

I shouldn't have been so hasty to serve notice.

Now I'm going to have to do it again...(complete with loss of face).

Thanks for your input yozhik.


tian an.

You're welcome ... just doing what I do best ... giving my opinion when it isn't asked for ... :D

[tom bombadil]

Ta much. Re-thinking this one now chaps. I am glad it has got the ball rolling though!

Short and sweet (like I thought in the first instance :rolleyes:) is the way to go. Not to frighten is the key. Lots of chaps get frightened by words.


Nelly :)

[yozhik]

Ta much. Re-thinking this one now chaps. I am glad it has got the ball rolling though!

Short and sweet (like I thought in the first instance :rolleyes:) is the way to go. Not to frighten is the key. Lots of chaps get frightened by words.


Nelly :)

"They" use lots of words to obfuscate, hide, confuse and decieve.
"We" don't need to do any of that.

The words need to say what you mean and mean what you say.

Short, specific, sharp, succint and salient; so something suitably and skillfully summarised sans being sardonic, sarcastic or superficial.

Ah yes ... nothing like a little alliteration to get the keyboard salivating.

[tien an]

I've just read over my Notice again:

It's ok as it is.

Don't give my child medication. (nothing!)
Don't let her take part in any vaccination program.
If she falls ill; tell me immediately.
If you think she has swine flu; tell me immediately.
If, despite this notice, you allow her to be vaccinated (whilst she is under your care) Watch Out!

There; that's it in a nutshell.

I'm actually in a good position (physically), to do something about this: I live across the road from her school and can see the front door of the school from mine.
They inform me, and I'm there within the minute.

Now, yozhik; let me get on with enjoying my Sunday afternoon by surfing the net...erm...researching, and righting the wrongs of the world.
(tongue in cheek, of course).;)

Heavenly Peace,
tian an.

[tom bombadil]

Ha! My boy just gave this to me, given to him by his teacher;

Medical conditions/allergies

Childs name........................class................. .

My child suffers from the following medical conditions and/or allergies:-
...............................................
...............................................
...............................................
...............................................

Signed...........................Date............. ....

I will fill it in claiming that he has an allergic reaction to vaccinations of all kinds, including but not limited to the swine flu or bird flu vaccines of all new and old varieties.

Ha. Hand delivered by me.


Nelly.

[tien an]

Ha! My boy just gave this to me, given to him by his teacher;

Medical conditions/allergies

Childs name........................class................. .

My child suffers from the following medical conditions and/or allergies:-
...............................................
...............................................
...............................................
...............................................

Signed...........................Date............. ....

I will fill it in claiming that he has an allergic reaction to vaccinations of all kinds, including but not limited to the swine flu or bird flu vaccines of all new and old varieties.

Ha. Hand delivered by me.


Nelly.

Providence?

tian an

[merlincove]

"They" use lots of words to obfuscate, hide, confuse and decieve.
"We" don't need to do any of that.

The words need to say what you mean and mean what you say.

Short, specific, sharp, succint and salient; so something suitably and skillfully summarised sans being sardonic, sarcastic or superficial.

Ah yes ... nothing like a little alliteration to get the keyboard salivating.

This is also something i've been considering lately.

Given that the freeman route abandons the freeman from society and therefore the freeman individual isn't bound by the language of that given society, why do we need to use that language in the notices we send out?

i was thinking about tien's note of looking up the legaleese 'include' - why would we as free human beings, not bound by the language of the law society, need to work with the language we have abandoned in issuing notices's etc?

juust a wonder....

regards

lee

[yozhik]

This is also something i've been considering lately.

Given that the freeman route abandons the freeman from society and therefore the freeman individual isn't bound by the language of that given society, why do we need to use that language in the notices we send out?

i was thinking about tien's note of looking up the legaleese 'include' - why would we as free human beings, not bound by the language of the law society, need to work with the language we have abandoned in issuing notices's etc?

juust a wonder....

regards

lee

If you engage them, as a Notice does, it needs to be comprehended and understood by them.

[tom bombadil]

Providence?

tian an

Dunno about that but it saved me a shit load of paperwork :D


nelly.

[tom bombadil]

How about this for others;

It has come to my attention that my son XXXXXXXX suffers, or has suffered an allergic reaction to vaccinations given him. Please avoid these in the future.

I am adding this to his records to make this clear.


Yours XXXXXX XXXXXX



Well? The idea here is to slip it in under the radar! Once it is in, I hit them with a notice of clarification.


Nelly.

[merlincove]

If you engage them, as a Notice does, it needs to be comprehended and understood by them.

Yeah, that is fair enough. But if we speak in plain english, which i hardly ever do in notices, lol, then there is no need to vpoyage down the legaleese definition of words?

But i guess at the end of the day, we are creating notices that may one day be examined in a court, and in utilising their terminolgies as best we can then we are engaging them with their own tools, which can only be a good thing for us - because we are being as open as we are able, rather than using a deceptive langauge :D

[adzboarder]

I just wanted to let you know guys, I have really appreciated reading this thread and for all your inputs. Thanks!

My Son has been at school for a week, and I havent got round to doing this. On Thursday, I have a meeting at the school to meet with the teachers to discuss a learning plan. I am going to use the time to ask some questions and get to know the people visually before slapping them with a notice. All eyes and ears wide open.

I will want this to be documented for all the same reasons as you guys in that they can be sued for doing something against a parents wishes. But hopefully this is just a preventative measure. You can imagine the nightmare of a raid on the school, all sweet innocent well-meaning children herded in and hit with it - doesn't bear thinking about, truly horrifying.

It's a real out of the way village school my son goes to, 16 children per class but even so, these are the places that the PTB might try to pull some shit to get the children vaccinated and I am not having it.

[adbasque]

I'm very interested to see what suggestions people make on this, because I'm extremely concerned about them sneaking in with vaccinations in school without consent.

Hi Gilly,
One thing you can do is become a member of the school (parent) governors.
That way you'll know everything that's going on.

That's what we both are my wife and myself :)

Hope that helps

[adbasque]

I've just read over my Notice again:

It's ok as it is.

Don't give my child medication. (nothing!)
Don't let her take part in any vaccination program.
If she falls ill; tell me immediately.
If you think she has swine flu; tell me immediately.
If, despite this notice, you allow her to be vaccinated (whilst she is under your care) Watch Out!

There; that's it in a nutshell.

I'm actually in a good position (physically), to do something about this: I live across the road from her school and can see the front door of the school from mine.
They inform me, and I'm there within the minute.

Now, yozhik; let me get on with enjoying my Sunday afternoon by surfing the net...erm...researching, and righting the wrongs of the world.
(tongue in cheek, of course).;)

Heavenly Peace,
tian an.

I don't want to sound horrible but I am more concerned in what they feed them at school, especially in the milk.

Yes make sure she doesn't get involved in any vaccination scheme and the best thing to do, is print leaflets about the vaccins, and hand them over to other parents, don't worry so much about the ridicule, because we need a lot of people to wake up.

:)

[earthwalkr]

:o I have 6 grandkids. My son and daughter both have 3. I have TRIED to explain to them about what's coming down the pike, these forced vaccinations, but they think I'm a nut case and laugh at me!!!! :(
I do NOT want them getting these vaccinations, but what can I do?
They don't listen to me, saying I'm crazy and a conspiracy nut.
It's very sad.
So, when I see parents stepping in and DOING SOMETHING, I APPLAUD LOUDLY!!!!!!! :D Don't stop!!!!

[adbasque]

:o I have 6 grandkids. My son and daughter both have 3. I have TRIED to explain to them about what's coming down the pike, these forced vaccinations, but they think I'm a nut case and laugh at me!!!! :(
I do NOT want them getting these vaccinations, but what can I do?
They don't listen to me, saying I'm crazy and a conspiracy nut.
It's very sad.
So, when I see parents stepping in and DOING SOMETHING, I APPLAUD LOUDLY!!!!!!! :D Don't stop!!!!

Family members are always the most akward ones to convince of anything, what you need to do is get as much information as you can, print them out and sit down with them, explain what happened in the past with the vaccins.

Get some historical facts etc.. and show them that it's a not a theory but a fact, explain that in 1918, more people were killed by the vaccin then the war itself.
And it's world wide, do all you can, never give up, it's your grand kids and kids at stake.
Even if it means you have to argue with them it's worth it, show them that you're not a nutcase who has nothing better to do and you still have a thing or two to teach them ;)

The Elite is not are biggest fight, the fight is to wake as many people as we can.

Just do it, don't worry so much of what they might think of you.
Good luck

[yozhik]

:o I have 6 grandkids. My son and daughter both have 3. I have TRIED to explain to them about what's coming down the pike, these forced vaccinations, but they think I'm a nut case and laugh at me!!!! :(
I do NOT want them getting these vaccinations, but what can I do?
They don't listen to me, saying I'm crazy and a conspiracy nut.
It's very sad.
So, when I see parents stepping in and DOING SOMETHING, I APPLAUD LOUDLY!!!!!!! :D Don't stop!!!!

Let them know you only question because you care. :)
Ask them if they would at least READ some information.
Promise you will not nag or brow beat them :p ... just ask them to PLEASE read some information.

Find some SHORT, easy to read information on the subject.
Also give them some SHORT, softly-softly videos to watch.

In my experience, tickling naysayers gently gets you further than trying to hit them with a sledgehammer.

I always approach it from a position of;
"my desired outcome from this is that they ask questions ... it is not for me to convert them within 10 minutes. If they are asking question from me, they are questioning their own belief structure. Until they start questioning what they think they know; nothing will change".

Don't aim to convert; your goal is to stimulate.
To stimulate, the info has to be stimulating.
Short, easy-to-follow, entertaining, info-by-stealth ... by that I mean not too in your face ... softly softly catchy monkey.

OK ... enough from me ... back to the thread.
:rolleyes:

Good luck!

[dolores1]

Oxford English Reference Dictionary - Phase opposed to Faze


Phase.
1 Distinct period or stage in a process of change or development
2 each of the aspects of the moon or a planet according to the amount of its illumination, esp. the full moon. the first quarter, the last quarter, the full moon
3 Physics a stage in a periodically recurring sequence, esp. of alternating electric currents or light vibrations.
4 A difficult or unhappy period , esp. in adolescence (just going through a phase)
5 Genetic or seasonal variety of an animals' coloration etc.
6 Chem.a distinct and homogeneous form of matter separated by its surface from other forms. VTR carry out (a programme, ect) in phases or stages.
[] In phase - having the same phase at the same time
[] Out of phase - not in phase. Phase in (or out) bring gradually into (or out 0f) use.
[B]Phase Rule [B] Chem a rule relating numbers of phases, constitutients and degrees of freedom. [B]Three phase[B] ( of an electric motor, generator etc) designed to supply or use simultaneously three separate alternating currents of the same voltage, but with phases differing by a third of a period.
[] Phasic adj. {F phase & f earlier phasis F GK phasis apperance f . phaino phan-show


FAZE

/feiz/ v.t.r. (often as [B]fazedadj.} collloq. disconcert, perturb, disorient. (var. of [I]feeze [I] drive off. f OE [I]fesian. Of unknown orig.

[tien an]

Oxford English Reference Dictionary - Phase opposed to Faze


Phase.
1 Distinct period or stage in a process of change or development
2 each of the aspects of the moon or a planet according to the amount of its illumination, esp. the full moon. the first quarter, the last quarter, the full moon
3 Physics a stage in a periodically recurring sequence, esp. of alternating electric currents or light vibrations.
4 A difficult or unhappy period , esp. in adolescence (just going through a phase)
5 Genetic or seasonal variety of an animals' coloration etc.
6 Chem.a distinct and homogeneous form of matter separated by its surface from other forms. VTR carry out (a programme, ect) in phases or stages.
[] In phase - having the same phase at the same time
[] Out of phase - not in phase. Phase in (or out) bring gradually into (or out 0f) use.
[B]Phase Rule [B] Chem a rule relating numbers of phases, constitutients and degrees of freedom. [B]Three phase[B] ( of an electric motor, generator etc) designed to supply or use simultaneously three separate alternating currents of the same voltage, but with phases differing by a third of a period.
[] Phasic adj. {F phase & f earlier phasis F GK phasis apperance f . phaino phan-show


FAZE

/feiz/ v.t.r. (often as [B]fazedadj.} collloq. disconcert, perturb, disorient. (var. of [I]feeze [I] drive off. f OE [I]fesian. Of unknown orig.

Nothing better to do?

[adzboarder]

Oxford English Reference Dictionary - Phase opposed to Faze

FAZE

/feiz/ v.t.r. (often as [B]fazedadj.} collloq. disconcert, perturb, disorient. (var. of [I]feeze [I] drive off. f OE [I]fesian. Of unknown orig.

^ Absolutely pointless.

[dolores1]

^ Absolutely pointless.

And comprehending the true meanings!

[adzboarder]

yeah wow man, lets all look up dictionary definitions!


point·less
adj.
1. Lacking meaning; senseless.
2. Ineffectual: pointless attempts to rescue the victims of the raging fire.

pointless·ly adv.
pointless·ness n.


See what an obtrusive waste of time this is?

[wakeupworld]

Why do you send your daughter to school anyway, that`s what I don`t understand.

[tien an]

Why do you send your daughter to school anyway, that`s what I don`t understand.

I take it your question is directed at me?

I simply don't have enough money to pay for her (private) education.
If I had mastered the art of 'Acceptance for Value', or if I had employment that paid well enough, I most certainly would not send her to school.

I've looked into the Home Schooling issue.
I think the idea is great.
But I don't have enough money.

As an aside, the only school I'd send her to (by choice) would be a Rudolf Steiner school.
I've met children who have been educated there and I was seriously impressed by both their level of education and their demeanour.
I loved the way they approached problems; it seemed to me they were able to 'think outside the box' as a matter of course. Their mindset was anything but conventional ~ extremely creative.
I gave one of them saxophone lessons...he came out with expressions such as "...yes; it sounds quite oily up there, doesn't it?", when referring to the quality of the higher tones of the instrument.
I nearly fell off my seat; this kid was ten years old.

This reminds me of my own daughter (5yrs), coming out with things like:
"Look Daddy; there's an aeroplane scratching the sky...".
I'd love to be able to afford an education where that sort of expression isn't curbed, but encouraged.

tian an.

[tien an]

And comprehending the true meanings!

Anyone know how to put stuff like this on 'ignore', please?

tian an.

[wakeupworld]

Yes it was a question for you. I think there may be a lot of free or near free resources available for home-schooling. I found the following link interesting.
jostombaugh.googlepages.com

[tien an]

Yes it was a question for you. I think there may be a lot of free or near free resources available for home-schooling. I found the following link interesting.
jostombaugh.googlepages.com

that's very nice of you...thank you!

(I'll have a read of that tonight, after having surfed the length and breadth of these boards...)

Heavenly Peace,
tian an.

[tien an]

Yesterday (22.09), I was approached by the Head Teacher of the school, who handed me a letter that was being given out to parents anyway, informing them that a child at the school had come down with swine flu...(why am I so suspicious?).

I'm just wondering why she came up and gave it to me personally?

Is it because she is just trying to be helpful?

Or is it because she didn't understand the notice? (I didn't say I wanted to be informed 'immediately' or separately from other parents when a child other than my own falls ill...).

Or is it because....?

Any thoughts on this?

tian an.

[adbasque]

Yesterday (22.09), I was approached by the Head Teacher of the school, who handed me a letter that was being given out to parents anyway, informing them that a child at the school had come down with swine flu...(why am I so suspicious?).

I'm just wondering why she came up and gave it to me personally?

Is it because she is just trying to be helpful?

Or is it because she didn't understand the notice? (I didn't say I wanted to be informed 'immediately' or separately from other parents when a child other than my own falls ill...).

Or is it because....?

Any thoughts on this?

tian an.

Have you ever spoke to anyone about the vaccins or the swine flu at school?

Try and remember if you have mentioned it to anyone.

[adbasque]

I know this is slightly off topic, I do apologise in advance.
I have spoken to a friend of mine over in Montreal this morning he told me about a friend of his who has an 11 month old daughter she was all energetic, full of life always a happy baby.

They took her for her "normal" vaccin such as MMR etc..

Three days later she became all floppy and feeling asleep and it went on for weeks now.

They took her to the Hospital, ready for this???

Doctors don't know what's wrong with her, they could not diagnose her sudden illness.

She had no problems prior to the vaccin.
And apparently while they were in the hospital they have noticed other parents there with same age babies with the exact same symptoms as their daughter, roughly about 10 or 12 other babies.

I don't believe it's just a batch of vaccin that's gone wrong, but it's some weird cocktail that reacted a lot quicker than they expected.

Because the idea is to vaccinate the kids and later they will develop all sorts of diseases and illnesses, but this time it blew in their face and I believe they are launching an investigation, I will keep you informed as soon as I hear anything new about this case.

I said to this friend of mine, remember what I told you a year or two ago?
He said yes that's why I am calling you to apologise and I do believe everything you ever told me.

Now he is on a mission to raise people's awarness he is launching a campaign over in Canada in different States.

And he has organised a team of people, parents, doctors, teachers, ordinary folks to help him out.

Now back to the topic (Sorry guys)

[tien an]

Have you ever spoke to anyone about the vaccins or the swine flu at school?

Try and remember if you have mentioned it to anyone.

Apart from the head-teacher...no one.

No one from the school, that is.

Two of my friends, who also have a daughter the same age in the other 1st yr class...yes.

Both of these friends are aware of what is going on...their daughter (for the same reasons) won't be getting the vaccine.

Why (exactly), do you ask?

[adbasque]

Apart from the head-teacher...no one.

No one from the school, that is.

Two of my friends, who also have a daughter the same age in the other 1st yr class...yes.

Both of these friends are aware of what is going on...their daughter (for the same reasons) won't be getting the vaccine.

Why (exactly), do you ask?

I am asking because I needed to know how did she know, so I take it you have spoken to her about the vaccins and such? If yes then that's why she decided to give to you personally as if to say here I am aware of what you're talking about, perhaps?

I am just speculating, as I don't know your real relationship with her and the school in general, how much involved are you etc..

My wife as a parent governor at school where my kids go, she gets all the letters and notices personally occasionally they send them with the children too.

Also, maybe she knows you're suspicious and she wants to make sure that you have been informed, you see nowdays people are afraid of being sued imo.

As I said I am only speculating here, I could be wrong.
Maybe you could ask her and say why I am the only person you handed the notice personally?

Take care :)
Peace

[scotfree]

I expect you and your families religion .......
forbids vaccinations just as Jehovas wittlessness's dont allow blood transfusions.

[tien an]

I am asking because I needed to know how did she know, so I take it you have spoken to her about the vaccins and such? If yes then that's why she decided to give to you personally as if to say here I am aware of what you're talking about, perhaps?

I am just speculating, as I don't know your real relationship with her and the school in general, how much involved are you etc..

My wife as a parent governor at school where my kids go, she gets all the letters and notices personally occasionally they send them with the children too.

Also, maybe she knows you're suspicious and she wants to make sure that you have been informed, you see nowdays people are afraid of being sued imo.

As I said I am only speculating here, I could be wrong.
Maybe you could ask her and say why I am the only person you handed the notice personally?

Take care :)
Peace

I think you've got it with the fear of being sued...I served notice on her the same day that I posted it here on the forum.
The same friends have nominated me as parent governor as well...

tian an.

[tien an]

I expect you and your families religion .......
forbids vaccinations just as Jehovas wittlessness's dont allow blood transfusions.

Well, my wife's a Buddhist and I'm...well...I think I have a personal hotline to God ('cos it/he/she's inside me).

No; I think the reason is as mentioned by adbasque above.

tian an.

[adzboarder]

Tien an,

You mentioned before that you spoke to her when you served notice, maybe she just spotted you and remembered your little chat and just wanted to make a point of telling YOU direct over everyone else.

Could be something and nothing mate is my gut instinct. :)

[tien an]

Tien an,

You mentioned before that you spoke to her when you served notice, maybe she just spotted you and remembered your little chat and just wanted to make a point of telling YOU direct over everyone else.

Could be something and nothing mate is my gut instinct. :)

Sure; could be something and nothing, but...yesterday, on picking my daughter up from school, my daughter's teacher said she would like a word with me...and then the headteacher turned up at my shoulder and gave me a letter informing the parents that one of the kids had swine flu...that was yesterday.
The rest of the parents got the letter today.

I'm not trying to find anything sinister in it...I just wanted to run it by y'all and see what you thought.

tian an.

[clint web]

As far as i'm aware, a letter of consent is required from a parent allowing for vaccines to be given. At the school I work in that's the case anyway.

If it happens in my school then chances are pretty certain it's law.

Just call the school and enquire.

[yozhik]

I smell ...
Problem......----->......Reaction......----->......Solution

[adbasque]

I smell ...
Problem......----->......Reaction......----->......Solution

So do I

How about this scenario

Now that child has been confirmed that he/she had swine flu, how about we don't want to take risks, and let's vaccinate all the children?

How about let's fool the parents once again?

[tien an]

I smell ...
Problem......----->......Reaction......----->......Solution

*nods silently in agreement....