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fallensoul
31-08-2009, 09:44 PM
This is only one of the reasons I despise this religion, I mean these people do follow the OT to the letter. The happy good religion is only a front for something more sinister..

Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction

The following is the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction given to high ranking Jesuits only. This oath is taken from the book Subterranean Rome by Carlos Didier, translated from the French and published in New York in 1843.

"When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colors, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers. Upon the floor is a red cross at which the postulant or candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the postulant:"

Superior:

My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.

You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.

You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.

You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me---

The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits:

"1, _ now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers.

I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same.

I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ.

That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me.

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!

All of which, I, _, do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant."

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)

Superior:

"You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank.

In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one cross his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges. The other answers Impious." (The meaning of which has already been explained.) "The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:

Question —From whither do you come? Answer — The Holy faith.

Q. —Whom do you serve?

A. —The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Q. —Who commands you?

A. —The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Q. —Who received you? A. —A venerable man in white hair.

Q. —How?

A. —With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.

Q. —Did you take an oath?

A. —I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring.

Q. —Will you do that? A. —I will.

Q. —How do you travel? A. —In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Q. —Whither do you travel? A. —To the four quarters of the globe. Q. —For what purpose?

A. —To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths.

Q. —Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."

Source: http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

reality man
31-08-2009, 09:47 PM
I know what you mean ... I think it's time all this religious shit was knocked on the head ... these religious guys need to lighten up and get a life.

fallensoul
31-08-2009, 09:54 PM
This is no fiction either, The Jesuit Militia, a scary bunch, responsible for so many deaths and injustices, suffering of innocent.

They got all their ideas straight from the bible. The "holy" book of eternal torm.. life!

reality man
31-08-2009, 10:03 PM
That stupid contradictory book hypnotises thier fragile little minds ... because of thier fear they take it all literally ... I don't know, sometimes it feels like were living in a galactic looney bin.

stfd
31-08-2009, 10:06 PM
This is only one of the reasons I despise this religion, I mean these people do follow the OT to the letter. The happy good religion is only a front for something more sinister..



Source: http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

that is not Christianity.

fallensoul
31-08-2009, 10:11 PM
Well it is indeed debatable what is isn't it? But their convictions and doctrines come directly from the same book you keep in so high regard.

They just picked up the more well, extreme approach to interpreting the word of "god".

reality man
31-08-2009, 10:12 PM
that is not Christianity.


Of course it's not stfd - becasue your version of christianity is the "right" one isn't it - and everyone else is wrong but your crowd?

stfd
31-08-2009, 10:16 PM
Well it is indeed debatable what is isn't it? But their convictions and doctrines come directly from the same book you keep in so high regard.

They just picked up the more well, extreme approach to interpreting the word of "god".

there is actually nothing debatable in it.
no, their convictions dont come from the Bible.
Is not the 'book' i hold in high regard. Not the paprs the pages are made of , nor the cover. Is the message that i hold in high regard.

There is no interpretation either is only true and false.
Can't be a middle way.

stfd
31-08-2009, 10:17 PM
Of course it's not stfd - becasue your version of christianity is the "right" one isn't it - and everyone else is wrong but your crowd?

Yup , that isnt Christianity.

reality man
31-08-2009, 10:18 PM
there is actually nothing debatable in it.
no, their convictions dont come from the Bible.
Is not the 'book' i hold in high regard. Not the paprs the pages are made of , nor the cover. Is the message that i hold in high regard.

There is no interpretation either is only true and false.
Can't be a middle way.

Once again ... his is the "correct" interpretation i'll bet!

fallensoul
31-08-2009, 10:22 PM
there is actually nothing debatable in it.
no, their convictions dont come from the Bible.

Well everything they are ordered to do more or less stems from the scriptures, I could get all the passages out here but as a Christian I am sure you know which ones I mean, hint most are found in the OT.

Why not then get rid of all the negative aspects in the book? Who do they serve? The way you have your message, they have their own.

stfd
31-08-2009, 10:22 PM
Once again ... his is the "correct" interpretation i'll bet!

One must learn to crawl before atempting to walk.

fallensoul
31-08-2009, 10:25 PM
One must learn to crawl before atempting to walk.

Would you reply this way to aliens from outer space who told you that you are wrong?

A hypotethical question. Would you tell them that Jesus died for their sins and they should find all about it, in a hundreads of years old book, written by men from an ancient and way more primitive civilization?

Lets assume for the questions sake that this race was highly evolved and peaceful and all that. But they told you that your faith is poison and lies.

stfd
31-08-2009, 10:27 PM
Well everything they are ordered to do more or less stems from the scriptures, I could get all the passages out here but as a Christian I am sure you know which ones I mean, hint most are found in the OT.

Why not then get rid of all the negative aspects in the book? Who do they serve? The way you have your message, they have their own.

The point is that is all carried as such and in such direction with the sole intention to destroy.
Even words mening are now tainted.
Simple things as 'truth' or 'false' 'ight' or 'wrong' and so on.

One which is ORDERED to do whatever things and then goes and does it WITHOUT putting through the prism of his own heart and mind (assuming they are both in good working condition) greatly risks doing un-Christian stuff.
One must not risk such thing.
IF however one does that is just as guilty as the one who 'ordered' such thing in the first place.

Do you beat your dog when it doesn't rain?

fallensoul
31-08-2009, 10:29 PM
I see where you coming from, that you need to in a "correct way" take the message, gospel into your heart etc.

It would be lot easier if the book and the preachers and the organizations tried a bit, instead of confusing everyone trying to understand.

stfd
31-08-2009, 10:39 PM
Would you reply this way to aliens from outer space who told you that you are wrong?

A hypotethical question. Would you tell them that Jesus died for their sins and they should find all about it, in a hundreads of years old book, written by men from an ancient and way more primitive civilization?

Lets assume for the questions sake that this race was highly evolved and peaceful and all that. But they told you that your faith is poison and lies.



"Indeed O'neill"

As opposed to what happened in the Stargate universe.... we are dealing here with (among other many many things) such a peacefull movement.

To answer your question: i would still believe what i already do.

fallensoul
31-08-2009, 10:44 PM
To answer your question: i would still believe what i already do. Fair enough, no further questions :)

ps. I am always done with SG1, only 1.5 seasons to go :(

stfd
31-08-2009, 11:12 PM
Fair enough, no further questions :)

ps. I am always done with SG1, only 1.5 seasons to go :(

you got atlantis?

:D

fallensoul
31-08-2009, 11:38 PM
Sure do, I am excited about it, heard so many good things. :cool:

miracles
01-09-2009, 02:05 AM
Well it is indeed debatable what is isn't it? But their convictions and doctrines come directly from the same book you keep in so high regard.

They just picked up the more well, extreme approach to interpreting the word of "god".

The klu klux Klan reckon they follow the bible too?

There isnt much point posting this stuff and saying its Christian, you guys should know better by now that it isnt.

And lighten Reality man take a chill pill, I have, :)

fallensoul
01-09-2009, 09:50 AM
The klu klux Klan reckon they follow the bible too?

There isnt much point posting this stuff and saying its Christian, you guys should know better by now that it isnt.

And lighten Reality man take a chill pill, I have,

Oi miracles, I reckon this is as far away as it can get from what Jesus taught. And what Christianity should be. Hence I titled it "the fruits of Christianity" because it is as you say, something like KKK, using the religion as they see fit. But their ideas come from the bible, you cannot deny that.

It is like when we learned about atoms, we got something good: nuclear power, and something really evil: nuclear bombs.

Discovering atom in itself wasn't bad right, but it gave initiative to some to create huge evil.

Same way I see Christianity, with potential to create something good, yet some take it and create something bad.

In my opinion people should know the wider picture, all the aspects of the subject at hand.

stfd
01-09-2009, 03:56 PM
Oi miracles, I reckon this is as far away as it can get from what Jesus taught. And what Christianity should be. Hence I titled it "the fruits of Christianity" because it is as you say, something like KKK, using the religion as they see fit. But their ideas come from the bible, you cannot deny that.

It is like when we learned about atoms, we got something good: nuclear power, and something really evil: nuclear bombs.

Discovering atom in itself wasn't bad right, but it gave initiative to some to create huge evil.

Same way I see Christianity, with potential to create something good, yet some take it and create something bad.

In my opinion people should know the wider picture, all the aspects of the subject at hand.

Yup thats righ.

The grand majority of 'things' are just like that-like a two bladed sword so to speak.
Your example with the atomic fusion/fision is good.
Probably the best example is the human freedom of choice.
We have the freedon to choose 'the good' just as we can choose' the bad'.
However we can't say ' o but i wish i wasnt free so that i cannot be able to possibly choose to do bad'. As a result ' in the larger picture' things are just as they should be, we are free to make those choices with the obvious option to 'do bad'.

And i personally would never give that RIGHT away.

miracles
01-09-2009, 11:46 PM
Oi miracles, I reckon this is as far away as it can get from what Jesus taught. And what Christianity should be. Hence I titled it "the fruits of Christianity" because it is as you say, something like KKK, using the religion as they see fit. But their ideas come from the bible, you cannot deny that.

It is like when we learned about atoms, we got something good: nuclear power, and something really evil: nuclear bombs.

Discovering atom in itself wasn't bad right, but it gave initiative to some to create huge evil.

Same way I see Christianity, with potential to create something good, yet some take it and create something bad.

In my opinion people should know the wider picture, all the aspects of the subject at hand.

Oi, it's the twisting of the bible, be real. Mother Terressa followed the bible, what's up with her? You cant blame the bible for the evil things men do, thats a tried old arguement that gets trundled out, your more inteligent than that. Evil is not a fruit of true Christianity, I take umbridge at that the implication that it is.

The kidds that killed heaps of people at columbine apparently watched grand theft auto alot, is it a play station game fault those children are dead?

Men are evil at heart, everyone of us, you need to get that straight, and yet everyone in here likes to think they are super spiriitual, we are all super fallen from the God, and its only his grace that can restore us, IE the God outside of ourselves must be invited inside of ourselves. The heart of man is desparetly wicked, not spriitual.


peopl are up in arms about God wipingout whole cities etc etc and on and on it goes. The thing is we all desrve to be wiped out, when you get that, you'll be ahead of the game in understanding afew things.

geolaureate8
02-09-2009, 12:15 AM
I'm gonna have to disagree with miracles and fallen soul. Whether people do good or bad things because of the Bible is irrelevant. The contents of the Bible are vile regardless of the good or bad that it produces. The Bible literally says to execute and stone unbelievers, people who work on the Sabbath, fortune tellers, people of other faiths, and commands genocide of entire nations. Don't try to come up with BS about people who do bad things are twisting the Bible. It would be more appropriate to say do-gooders are the ones who ignore parts of the Bible and choose the parts they agree with and are in denial about the bad stuff.

miracles
02-09-2009, 12:42 AM
i'm gonna have to disagree with miracles and fallen soul. Whether people do good or bad things because of the bible is irrelevant. The contents of the bible are vile regardless of the good or bad that it produces. The bible literally says to execute and stone unbelievers, people who work on the sabbath, fortune tellers, people of other faiths, and commands genocide of entire nations. Don't try to come up with bs about people who do bad things are twisting the bible. It would be more appropriate to say do-gooders are the ones who ignore parts of the bible and choose the parts they agree with and are in denial about the bad stuff.

yawn

geolaureate8
02-09-2009, 07:00 AM
yawn

I have recently come to the realisation (I know slow huh?) that all meaningful discussion in these forums is a total and utter waste of time.

With responses like "yawn," clearly you're the reason. Every time I bring you face to face with the issue, you try to evade it. Your best attempt to address what I've said, was you copy and pasting someone else's rather pitiful attempt at defending Yahweh's atrocities. Do you have any real ideas of your own? Can you refute an argument directly? Or you do just feel that you can ignore something and hope it goes away.

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miracles
02-09-2009, 07:53 AM
With responses like "yawn," clearly you're the reason. Every time I bring you face to face with the issue, you try to evade it. Your best attempt to address what I've said, was you copy and pasting someone else's rather pitiful attempt at defending Yahweh's atrocities. Do you have any real ideas of your own? Can you refute an argument directly? Or you do just feel that you can ignore something and hope it goes away.

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I have pleanty of ideas of my own. And they are mainly that its a waste of tome being here for any other reasn than fun and something to do whilst m having a cigarrette (yes I know filthy habit and unchrsitian, sue me) and a coffee. You blokes aren't serious.

What issue are you brining me face to face with now my friend? I've made point you flat disagree what more can I say mate? Seriously

geolaureate8
02-09-2009, 09:16 AM
What issue are you brining me face to face with now my friend? I've made point you flat disagree what more can I say mate? Seriously

"God is love." - 1 John 4:8

"Every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth." - Genesis 7:4

God (Yahweh) cannot be love given his atrocious, cruel actions. Destroying every living being is not love.

This is what I want you to address. I'd like an answer besides talking about how they deserved it because they sinned. Surely infants and animals have done no wrong.

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miracles
02-09-2009, 09:23 AM
"God is love." - 1 John 4:8

"Every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth." - Genesis 7:4

God (Yahweh) cannot be love given his atrocious, cruel actions. Destroying every living being is not love.

This is what I want you to address. I'd like an answer besides talking about how they deserved it because they sinned. Surely infants and animals have done no wrong.

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Wipiong out a couple of million hitlers is love, you dont know what those people where like obviously.

geolaureate8
02-09-2009, 10:44 AM
Wipiong out a couple of million hitlers is love, you dont know what those people where like obviously.

Is that your final answer? Perhaps you'd like to rethink the absurdity you just put forth. I'll refute it anyways, in case you're serious.

- Not one person who lived in that time period performed any such act close to Hitler's genocide. Things that Yahweh finds worthy of fatal punishment include things like: picking up sticks on the wrong day, making statues, nonbelief, being of another faith, swearing at your parents, being the son of a sinner even if you're innocent, homosexuality, etc. Any sane being would agree that none of those things are worthy of death, or even punishment period.

- Rabbits, squirrels, lambs, babies, puppies, and ponies are not even capable of genocide akin to Hitler, nor are they capable of committing an evil act at all. For you to equate them with Hitler is just sick. They were innocent lives that didn't deserve to be "destroyed from off the face of the earth." Do you think they deserved it?

Given the above, can you honestly say to yourself, that Yahweh's global genocide was just?

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miracles
02-09-2009, 11:28 AM
Is that your final answer? Perhaps you'd like to rethink the absurdity you just put forth. I'll refute it anyways, in case you're serious.

- Not one person who lived in that time period performed any such act close to Hitler's genocide. Things that Yahweh finds worthy of fatal punishment include things like: picking up sticks on the wrong day, making statues, nonbelief, being of another faith, swearing at your parents, being the son of a sinner even if you're innocent, homosexuality, etc. Any sane being would agree that none of those things are worthy of death, or even punishment period.

- Rabbits, squirrels, lambs, babies, puppies, and ponies are not even capable of genocide akin to Hitler, nor are they capable of committing an evil act at all. For you to equate them with Hitler is just sick. They were innocent lives that didn't deserve to be "destroyed from off the face of the earth." Do you think they deserved it?

Given the above, can you honestly say to yourself, that Yahweh's global genocide was just?

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Did you read the other post, no you just said I cut and pasted rubbish, it doesnt matter what I say my firned, you are closed minded on the issue, admit that and we can be friends and go to the "have a laugh threads". Its no biggie to disagree on these things mate, you go your way and I'll go mine. relax. Suffice it say my God is good and everything he does is for the good of all mankind. He made them he can wipe them out. Im sure the little puppies and ponies are in pony and puppie heaven. DOnt worry about them. try to take this stuff with a pinch of salt. I dont want any one else to go mad in here, Ive already lost a good friend to an institution in here.

geolaureate8
02-09-2009, 11:34 AM
Im sure the little puppies and ponies arein pony and puppie heaven. DOnt worry about them

Finally, a decent answer. I'll give you credit for this one. This somewhat, to an extent, clarifies the problem.

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miracles
02-09-2009, 11:41 AM
Finally, a decent answer. I'll give you credit for this one. This somewhat, to an extent, clarifies the problem.

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Im glad my friend, try to remember God is good, and if something seems to be the opposite of that, you have to try and figure out whats going on. It can take years, and theres nothing wrong with being angry with God or mad at God or whatever, He can handle it. God loves you, very much that's all that matters. DOnt be afraid of God, the real God. You can understand him what ever way you like, if the bible confuses you or upsets you or makes you angry, dont read it or worry about it anymore. ENyoy your life and let God worry about all the big stuff. Worry is a sin did you know that?

God doesn't want us to worry about anything.

Just have fun learning more and more but keep an open mind on things. Dont worry about bible bashers like me for now. Okay mate?

geolaureate8
02-09-2009, 11:47 AM
Im glad my firned, try to remember God is good, and if something seems to be the opposite of that, you have to try and figure out whats going on. It can take years, and theres nothing wrong with being angry with God or mad at God or whatever, He can handle it. God loves you, very much that's all that matters. DOnt be afraid of God, the real God. You can understand him what ever way you like, if the bible confuses you or upsets you or makes you angry, dont read it or worry about it anymore. ENyoy your life and let God worry about all the big stuff. Worry is a sin did you know that?

God doesn't want us to worry about anything.

Just have fun learning more and more but keep an open mind on things. Dont worry about bible bashers like me for now. Okay mate?

Well, I'm glad we've come to terms with a bit more understanding. From this post, I can see where you're coming from now.

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miracles
02-09-2009, 11:49 AM
Well, I'm glad we've come to terms with a bit more understanding.

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Me too. Im not going to argue with people any more its not worth it. I care about people too much than to worry about winning a silly old arguement.