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captaincaper
31-08-2009, 11:47 AM
Unsure if this has any relivance to the freeman movement just wanted you guys to see it as its talking about the birth certificate and the words legal fiction jumped out @ me while drinking my morning coffee

Viewed on BBC News 24.....

Article on BBC News...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8225158.stm

Women in same-sex relationships can now register both their names on the birth certificate of a child conceived as a result of fertility treatment.

Female couples not in a civil partnership but receiving fertility treatment may also both be registered.

The law change applies to female couples in England and Wales who were having fertility treatment on or after 6 April 2009.

However critics say the change would be detrimental to family values.

Previously, the mother's female partner could not be registered as a parent.

But the change in the law confers legal parenthood on the mother's female partner.

According to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority, there were 728 lesbians who underwent in vitro fertilisation (IVF) between 1999 and 2006.

And in the same period, there were 5,211 lesbian females who received donor insemination (DI) treatment.

Now lesbian couples in the UK who make a considered decision to start a loving family will finally be afforded equal access to services they help fund as taxpayers

Ruth Hunt, Stonewall


'Brilliant' news for lesbian couples
The changes to the Registration of Births and Deaths Regulations 1987 were approved by Registrar General James Hall earlier this year, following Royal Assent for new parenthood provisions contained in the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 2008.

A spokeswoman for the Home Office said that there will be provision for a birth certificate to be used that will have two "parent" sections, rather than mother and father.

Also, sperm donors will continue to be able to opt in or out of having their name on the birth certificate, but if both mothers wish to have their name on the document, the donor cannot be registered in that way.

'Fair treatment'

Home Office Minister Lord Brett said: "This positive change means that, for the first time, female couples who have a child using fertility treatment have the same rights as their heterosexual counterparts to be shown as parents in the birth registration.

"It is vital that we afford equality wherever we can in society, especially as family circumstances continue to change. This is an important step forward in that process."

Conservative MP Nadine Dorries told the BBC that the move undermined the traditional family model.

She said: "If we want to build a stable society, a mother and father and children works as the best model.

"We should be striving towards repairing and reinforcing marriage. I think this move sends out the exact opposite message."

'Legal fiction'

Dr Peter Saunders, of the Christian Medical Fellowship, criticised the move, telling the Daily Mail that the change would "create a legal fiction around the parentage of the children" which would then result in a "legal minefield" when it came to issues of maintenance and inheritance.

He was supported by Labour MP Geraldine Smith, who said: 'To have a birth certificate with two mothers and no father is just madness."

Stonewall's Head of Policy and Research Ruth Hunt said that as a result of the law change, life for lesbian families "isn't only fairer, it's also much easier".

She added: "As the law improves to provide further equality, knowing your new rights will help people make full use of the services they're entitled to. And, if discrimination occurs, the same knowledge can help them demand fair treatment.

"Now lesbian couples in the UK who make a considered decision to start a loving family will finally be afforded equal access to services they help fund as taxpayers."

rosix
31-08-2009, 12:01 PM
this has got P/R/S and psy-ops written all over it

choreographed down to the very words the MP used

Last time I checked, the mother's name on the Certificate of Live Berth is specified as the "maiden" name - if she's giving birth how can she still be a maiden/virgin? She can't, so when you write her name, the name of the mother, the non-maiden/virgin, onto the document, you're thereby making the document a BILATERAL fraud (also notice the father doesn't have to sign his name on the certificate - it's the state/government/etc. that's the 'real' father!)

sindakit
31-08-2009, 01:21 PM
won't the word maiden be tied in with a ship having a maiden voyage? thats what popped into my head

rosix
31-08-2009, 03:06 PM
won't the word maiden be tied in with a ship having a maiden voyage? thats what popped into my head

yes that ties into it, of course? the maiden voyage is the voyage of the 'virgin' ship.. popping it's cherry and when docked/harboured/at wharf/at pier it is no longer the virgin. To my knowledge there is no certificate of berth or respectively similar certification for when the vessel is put into place before it's maiden voyage, thereby it is not berthed yet.

This point does have a lot to do with the BC and all that but not much to do with the specifics of articles such as the one quoted in the OP here. Especially feminism and/or lesbian marriage - the PTB/NWO are very proud of their intricately crafted movement/ideology often called feminism. I'm not going to personally get into how evil and destructive these forces are but as we should all know, if it's designed by the NWO it's very unlikely to be for our 'benefit'.