So, Muslims are peace loving are they, huh?

[free thinker]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8229973.stm

Riot police broke up a mob of 200 Asian youngsters after they threw fireworks at officers in a town where a right-wing march was banned.

Officers wearing helmets and carrying shields went to Luton's Bury Park after youths attacked local police on Sunday.

The disorder followed community tension over protests in the town.

Bedfordshire Police said protesters had been deterred from a planned march on Sunday by a banning order approved by Home Secretary Alan Johnson last week.

The force added: "[Sunday's] disorder follows weeks of engagement and public consultation by Bedfordshire Police and Luton Borough Council in response to tensions within the community after the town was identified as a potential location for a march by right-wing supporters."

Luton Borough Council and Bedfordshire Police were granted a three-month banning order on public processions by four named organisations or associated groups.

Police previously said residents and businesses feared a repeat of the violence and disorder which erupted when the groups previously marched in the town and elsewhere.

Protest plans by March for England, UK Casuals United, United People of Luton and English Defence League had increased tensions in Luton, they added.

Angry scenes broke out in March when a small number of Muslims held an anti-war protest during a homecoming parade of British troops.

I made a point in another thread with a similar title, that thread was not taken down so i dont see why this should be.

Sweeping statements work both ways - What good for the goose.....

[gremlin]

:mad: don't confuse the liberals please.

[decim]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[whiterain]

so shall i post some videos from upton park the other night to prove how violent british people are?

[jonahmc]

so shall i post some videos from upton park the other night to prove how violent british people are?

Why not. We've just seen the Muslim chav shite. Now, lets see the Brit chav shite in action.

[rhydra]

Muslim rioters, football hooligans (who are not Muslims), same difference, brain dead yobs who probably shouldn't be let out without a responsible adult.

[scooby85]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8229973.stm

Riot police broke up a mob of 200 Asian youngsters after they threw fireworks at officers in a town where a right-wing march was banned.

Officers wearing helmets and carrying shields went to Luton's Bury Park after youths attacked local police on Sunday.

The disorder followed community tension over protests in the town.

Bedfordshire Police said protesters had been deterred from a planned march on Sunday by a banning order approved by Home Secretary Alan Johnson last week.

The force added: "[Sunday's] disorder follows weeks of engagement and public consultation by Bedfordshire Police and Luton Borough Council in response to tensions within the community after the town was identified as a potential location for a march by right-wing supporters."

Luton Borough Council and Bedfordshire Police were granted a three-month banning order on public processions by four named organisations or associated groups.

Police previously said residents and businesses feared a repeat of the violence and disorder which erupted when the groups previously marched in the town and elsewhere.

Protest plans by March for England, UK Casuals United, United People of Luton and English Defence League had increased tensions in Luton, they added.

Angry scenes broke out in March when a small number of Muslims held an anti-war protest during a homecoming parade of British troops.

I made a point in another thread with a similar title, that thread was not taken down so i dont see why this should be.

Sweeping statements work both ways - What good for the goose.....

freethinker?.. since when does the quran allow violence like this? it doesnt, it FORBIDS it. And since when have asians been muslims?? i can guarantee you that 90% of those youths are muslims by name, they dont practise it, they arnt muslims theyre idiots.. a bit like those 'footy' supporters from the other night.. didnt see the papers labelling them as christians did we...

call yourself a free thinker.. your a joke

[decim]

What are the 'youths' shouting at the beginning of the first video?

[sloppy]

OP is ignorant. End of.

[song_of_susannah]

It's funny how the obsession with all things Muslim, has accelerated big time since the obscene attack on Iraq.

TPTB played a blinder there, polluting the minds of the general public. Of course it can only work if you're prone to xenophobia.

[gilly]

I believe that the last sentence in the OP indicates that Free Thinker isn't the ignoramous etc. that he's accused of being. He's well aware that the article is unbalanced, inaccurate, and published with the intention to incite - he's making a point about a similarly unfair article on some other thread.

Perhaps the point would have been clearer had that thread been identified, so that other members could draw some comparison for themselves.

[manxboz]

I have heard of christians that riot, Hindus that murder, Catholics that rape. I hear about all sorts but it's not the religion that does it, its the indiviual. come OP obvisuly you hate Muslims.

[tyler]

Are you out of hospital, Manxboz? You are sounding better. Are there any muslims on the Isle of Man? Have they taken over the shops there?

Luton used to be my home town and my mother lived in Bury Park until she finally had to get out along with all the other whites and home grown Lutonians who watched their town turn into a muslim ghetto. It's all so sad.
Young white kids are now terrified of walking through the Bury Park area.

These people hate us. Presumably that is what the PTB intended when they brought in these millions of aliens to our land.

[anthony65]

Muslim rioters, football hooligans (who are not Muslims), same difference, brain dead yobs who probably shouldn't be let out without a responsible adult.

Yep. Same mentality. Same losers.

These boys think they're great now but they're just digging a hole for themselves in a ghetto which many of them will never escape.

The same thing can be found amongst black, white and asian youngsters. It's cool to be anti-social but they end up condemning themselves to a lifetime of ignorance.

[free thinker]

If you don't read my post properly, then decide to let rip, then that would be your mistake not mine, secondly i couldn't care less what you think of me personally, it doesn't detract from the facts...which are.....as long as Muslim/Asians do this sort of stuff, then don't complain about the legitimacy of the BNP!:)

[secret66mechanism]

none of what is going on is down to the people this is'nt about race or colour we shouldnt be rioting amoung ourselves.thats what they want it would be just another reason to unleash the military onto our streets.our borders were opened up for a reason and im sure it wasnt to fill those vacancies no other brit wanted to do.these festering psychopaths are gearing up for the endgame and time is running out.we need to unite not fight.

[anthony65]

If you don't read my post properly, then decide to let rip, then that would be your mistake not mine, secondly i couldn't care less what you think of me personally, it doesn't detract from the facts...which are.....as long as Muslim/Asians do this sort of stuff, then don't complain about the legitimacy of the BNP!:)

That's not a fact.

The fact is that extremists of all kinds hurt themselves and others. And they play into the hands of the elite.

The fact is that the elite wanted a Summer of Hate in 2009, planned a couple of years ago, and thankfully it doesn't seem to have been as bad as they wanted it to be.

And for every hate story (and I include hate from any side) there are untold positive stories that will never make the news but are lived each day. I know I experience them and I'm sure many others do.

[manxboz]

Are you out of hospital, Manxboz? You are sounding better. Are there any muslims on the Isle of Man? Have they taken over the shops there?

Luton used to be my home town and my mother lived in Bury Park until she finally had to get out along with all the other whites and home grown Lutonians who watched their town turn into a muslim ghetto. It's all so sad.
Young white kids are now terrified of walking through the Bury Park area.

These people hate us. Presumably that is what the PTB intended when they brought in these millions of aliens to our land.

Nope still in hospital, just got my laptop on. We have a mosque here, but you wouldn't know about it unless you walked past the front door. Our muslim population is fairly small but you do see them.

[anthony65]

Nope still in hospital, just got my laptop on. We have a mosque here, but you wouldn't know about it unless you walked past the front door. Our muslim population is fairly small but you do see them.

Do you mean small in size like the Diddymen in Knottyash? :p

Wouldn't surprise me on the Isle of Man with your tailless cats, four horned sheep and six legged cows...

Ken Dodd ::: We Are The Diddymen - YouTube

[scooby85]

Are you out of hospital, Manxboz? You are sounding better. Are there any muslims on the Isle of Man? Have they taken over the shops there?

Luton used to be my home town and my mother lived in Bury Park until she finally had to get out along with all the other whites and home grown Lutonians who watched their town turn into a muslim ghetto. It's all so sad.
Young white kids are now terrified of walking through the Bury Park area.

These people hate us. Presumably that is what the PTB intended when they brought in these millions of aliens to our land.

im getting fed up with people like u, u have a deep hatred for muslims and now i know why..

why not an ASIAN ghetto rather than a muslim ghetto?

Are there any muslims on the Isle of Man? Have they taken over the shops there?


And how do u exactly identify a muslim by looking at them? again I believe u were meant to say asian..

So is my local council estate a christian ghetto?

[scooby85]

as long as Muslim/Asians do this sort of stuff, then don't complain about the legitimacy of the BNP!

You are implying that muslims are all asians.. I have a little secret for you, a muslim can be of any race. You either mean asian or muslim, not both.

[nectars]

Extremists of any faith or otherwise are usually idiots.

Wheres that biscuit....? :D

[gilly]

Are you out of hospital, Manxboz? You are sounding better. Are there any muslims on the Isle of Man? Have they taken over the shops there?

Luton used to be my home town and my mother lived in Bury Park until she finally had to get out along with all the other whites and home grown Lutonians who watched their town turn into a muslim ghetto. It's all so sad.
Young white kids are now terrified of walking through the Bury Park area.

These people hate us. Presumably that is what the PTB intended when they brought in these millions of aliens to our land.

I can't comment on your area, Tyler, because I'm not familiar with it, but there are areas around me that are densely populated by Asians.

Blackburn, Lancashire's one of them, as are parts of Preston where I live. I managed an electrical shop in Blackburn for several years, and many of my customers were Asian people. I found them to be no different from anyone else to deal with, in that most were pleasant, some were awkward and some were rude.

I never once experienced any sense that "These people hate us".

I did have a couple of instances with young Asian males not wanting to speak to me because I'm a woman, which I found odd. But I got them talking in the end - they weren't abusive or anything.

I also had an incident where an employee who I had a disagreement with accused me of calling him a 'black bastard', and I was to be brought up on a diciplinary hearing regarding this, which I was told was very serious because of it being racist. He was a technician, who wanted to take a part from one of the TV sets in my stock for a repair. This was not common practice, and I told him he couldn't do it, and would need to go and get one from the depot instead, which he reacted angrily to. He shouted expletives at me, then stormed out of my shop.

This same tech had tried this with a member of my staff prior to my working there - on that occassion, he'd grabbed one of her sandwiches she was having for lunch, and taken a bite. When she'd objected to his manners, he accused her of having called him a black bastard. This would have be so completely out of character from her that I laughed when she told me about it.

I had an unblemished record, and was highly pissed off at this false accusation, so I went through the audit roll to find a transaction I'd been processing when he came in - I knewI could identify it as it was a rental subscriber who'd been making a payment & had bought some ancilliary items at the same time - so we'd have this person's name & address on file. I provided these details to senior management, and insisted they contact the customer to get an unbiased witness account, which they did - they actually visited him at his home and got him to give a written statement!

This customer stated that not only was I the bees knees :D, but he'd been shocked at how aggressive the technician was, and he'd thought I had responded very calmly and had definately not called him any derogatory names. Incidentally, the customer was an Asian gentleman.

So the diciplinary was dropped. I said I wanted the tech brought up on a diciplinary for a). trying to take parts from my stock, which he'd attempted to just do without even asking for permission, b). behaving in an insulting and unprofessional manner towards myself and this infront of a customer, and c). his false racism accusation.

To my utter fury, my boss said that we 'couldn't do that', and I'd have to just forget it. I kicked off, big time, but never received a satisfactory explanation for what appeared to me to be racism against myself. I banned the tech from ever entering my branch again though. (I also banned another tech - a white one btw - who regularly came in being an arsehole).

This one individual got right up my nose, but I repeat, I never felt the kind of general racial animosity that you're describing, and don't believe for an instant that "These people hate us".

[uloodara]

If you don't read my post properly, then decide to let rip, then that would be your mistake not mine, secondly i couldn't care less what you think of me personally, it doesn't detract from the facts...which are.....as long as Muslim/Asians do this sort of stuff, then don't complain about the legitimacy of the BNP!:)

How stupid!...Aren't the muslims acting off the same principle?

BTW. These people need to know about the NWO etc. Where I live a lot of muslims know about the corruption of higher ranks in society. Especially after 9/11 and the Bin Laden vids.

Go Humans Go Humans Go!! :cool:

[solarwindspirit]

Extremists of any faith or otherwise are usually idiots.

Wheres that biscuit....? :D

so are cultures who accept the biscuit

[free thinker]

Muslim communities tend not to want to adopt the way of life in the UK, I say this because of what i see with my own eyes.

This is what causes problems with communities, speaking as a white Non-religious person, why should i have yet another faith rammed down my throat, when i have always rejected we have already here?

Why should i have to entertain any Muslim grievance in my own country, that my grandfathers never had to deal with?

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

I can accept any colour you care to mention, providing i am afforded the same acceptance, what i refuse to accept is people calling me racist, or stupid for my views, when they are no different, it's my take on things and no matter how stupid you may think they are, they are no less valid than your own view.

Muslims believe in fables, the Koran is a fable, a story, the bible is a fable, a story....people who murder in the name of a fable are far more stupid than myself.

GET REAL fable followers, then you will see what you are being taken for!

Now for an example of what i mean....You just try and insult me through religion, you couldn't because i don't believe in it AT ALL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

So i am not offended if you called JESUS A PRICK...Not bothered!!! you could not say the same for Muslims though could you...ask Salmond Rushdie!!!!

[free thinker]

You are implying that muslims are all asians.. I have a little secret for you, a muslim can be of any race. You either mean asian or muslim, not both.

Would you prefer if i said it the other way round then, Asian/Muslims?

[free thinker]

How stupid!...Aren't the muslims acting off the same principle?

BTW. These people need to know about the NWO etc. Where I live a lot of muslims know about the corruption of higher ranks in society. Especially after 9/11 and the Bin Laden vids.

Go Humans Go Humans Go!! :cool:

OK, i accept your comments.

But how stupid are you for neglecting to see any difference!

We are in the west, we have people supporting the eastern views/ideals, in the west, complaining its not like the east!!

Incidentally, before any more stupid accusations are spouted, i do not support the western interference in the east either.

[mynameis]

Muslim communities tend not to want to adopt the way of life in the UK, I say this because of what i see with my own eyes.

This is what causes problems with communities, speaking as a white Non-religious person, why should i have yet another faith rammed down my throat, when i have always rejected we have already here?

Why should i have to entertain any Muslim grievance in my own country, that my grandfathers never had to deal with?

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

I can accept any colour you care to mention, providing i am afforded the same acceptance, what i refuse to accept is people calling me racist, or stupid for my views, when they are no different, it's my take on things and no matter how stupid you may think they are, they are no less valid than your own view.

Muslims believe in fables, the Koran is a fable, a story, the bible is a fable, a story....people who murder in the name of a fable are far more stupid than myself.

GET REAL fable followers, then you will see what you are being taken for!

Now for an example of what i mean....You just try and insult me through religion, you couldn't because i don't believe in it AT ALL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

So i am not offended if you called JESUS A PRICK...Not bothered!!! you could not say the same for Muslims though could you...ask Salmond Rushdie!!!!

When one refuses to see the good things in all religions and only the bad, this makes an individual close-minded. Due to differences in cultural understanding, many civilizations have been killed due to the lack of coexistence. Some on this site gloat over their own ignorance.

Ignorance is bliss. Orwell in 1984 calls strength, ignorance and that is what the pittance of unintelligent asks us to foster, more ignorance. Some are so ignorant, they do not even wish to evolve themselves as human beings.

These types exist in all corners of the planet and have a goal to make other people's lives hell for their own inadequacies or personal gifts. A conceited mean streak against anything that is foreign is merely a hatred of xenophobic rage that can displace many forms of logic and reason. However, most individuals who are susceptible within these areas of ignorance, suffer from a vast void of logic and reason.

Keyboard warriors of ignorance long for the heydays, when the ignorant bashed babies heads in on the street, murdering entire cities, and civilizations in the name of banal carnage or revenge. Well not anymore, no longer shall most level-headed individuals, who are peaceful tolerate nonsense and hooliganism that violate the rights of others via: harassment, cultural terrorism, or bigotry. This includes violence, the threat of violence, or intimidation. If you start it, those smarter and more human than they are will end it.

[gremlin]

Don't forget the fact the muslims hate the west the west ways and is usually deep rooted hatred for the west. It's really that easy.

[mynameis]

Don't forget the fact the muslims hate the west the west ways and is usually deep rooted hatred for the west. It's really that easy.

Only the Muslim redneck clerics spread animosity toward the west twisting the Quran out of its inherent meaning. There's no way that they are any different than David Koresh, Charles Manson, or Jim Jones.

[free thinker]

Only the Muslim redneck clerics spread animosity toward the west twisting the Quran out of its inherent meaning. There's no way that they are any different than David Koresh, Charles Manson, or Jim Jones.

It comes down to religion every time, more wars, deaths, suffering of the human race has religion at its core.

Religion divides people, how can this be good, how can anything that is so divisive be considered to have a place in modern society?

I am a live and let live type of person, if you want me to accept ones right to it, then you must play by the same rules.

a believer will want to spread the 'word' a non-believer, should have the right to refute it, the problem lies with the fact that because someone doesn't believe it, or refuses to accept it then the non believers were persecuted, and this still goes on today!

[mynameis]

It comes down to religion every time, more wars, deaths, suffering of the human race has religion at its core.

Religion divides people, how can this be good, how can anything that is so divisive be considered to have a place in modern society?

I am a live and let live type of person, if you want me to accept ones right to it, then you must play by the same rules.

a believer will want to spread the 'word' a non-believer, should have the right to refute it, the problem lies with the fact that because someone doesn't believe it, or refuses to accept it then the non believers were persecuted, and this still goes on today!

In societies today, where education is not preeminent, the past is alive and well. Those are the redneck clerics and other seeking to impugn others based on their void of ignorance, their void of tolerance. Anything can be twisted and shaped into a reality that is not logical as long as 2+2=5 for the people who do not think critical about the problems. For instance, the genocidal murder and rape of men, women, and children in Darfur, Sudan. This is structured as State sponsored madness. This is also driven by those in power.

"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger

The people who trained us came from the north, from the government. They gave us orders, and they say that after we are trained they will give us guns and ammunition...

They were wearing the uniforms of the military...

I tell you one fact. The Janjaweed don't make decisions. The orders come from the government...

One very well-known and regular visitor was Interior Minister Abdul Rahim Muhammad Hussein.

If this is any indicator, then the assessment is not one far from the truth, that if the State can make pawns and twist through religion and sanction, so can religious figures. Once removed, the state can make any other ideology it sees as a threat to its existence to distract and destroy another group under its control. It is precision of Kissinger's quote above. It's application in this sense is subjugation and the domestication of an underclass population. When compared to other regions, this living could be considered worse conditions than apartheid and almost worse or equal to the suffering of the Palestinian people under Israel.

[anthony65]

It comes down to religion every time, more wars, deaths, suffering of the human race has religion at its core.

Religion divides people, how can this be good, how can anything that is so divisive be considered to have a place in modern society?

I am a live and let live type of person, if you want me to accept ones right to it, then you must play by the same rules.

a believer will want to spread the 'word' a non-believer, should have the right to refute it, the problem lies with the fact that because someone doesn't believe it, or refuses to accept it then the non believers were persecuted, and this still goes on today!


Not true.

Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao are surely enough to show that war and murder can be committed in the name of a non-religious ideology, although these ideologies share many traits with religions.

Even human rights were abused as a reason to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's all about power. It's all about the selfish, wicked interests of a few being pushed on the unsuspecting masses.

World War One about religion? No.

World War Two? No.

Control of religion is about power so there is an influence there, but this does not mean that religion is evil or that the core of most religions do not contain some very important truths.

[zarah]

Muslim communities tend not to want to adopt the way of life in the UK, I say this because of what i see with my own eyes.

This is what causes problems with communities, speaking as a white Non-religious person, why should i have yet another faith rammed down my throat, when i have always rejected we have already here?

Why should i have to entertain any Muslim grievance in my own country, that my grandfathers never had to deal with?

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

I can accept any colour you care to mention, providing i am afforded the same acceptance, what i refuse to accept is people calling me racist, or stupid for my views, when they are no different, it's my take on things and no matter how stupid you may think they are, they are no less valid than your own view.

Muslims believe in fables, the Koran is a fable, a story, the bible is a fable, a story....people who murder in the name of a fable are far more stupid than myself.

GET REAL fable followers, then you will see what you are being taken for!

Now for an example of what i mean....You just try and insult me through religion, you couldn't because i don't believe in it AT ALL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

So i am not offended if you called JESUS A PRICK...Not bothered!!! you could not say the same for Muslims though could you...ask Salmond Rushdie!!!!


Same shit different day and member, eh?

1. Your empirical 'research' only takes into account your experience in the areas which you live/visit. Just because a person dresses in a non western way and doesn't eat western food doesn't mean that they're aren't assimilated into a community. Values aren't viewed on the outside.Your abstract concept of a Muslim seems to have been constructed by media conditioning, 'freethinker'. Have you noticed that traditional Sikhs and Jews also appear to follow their own culture rather than adopt yours? Why only Muslims?

2. If you were truly a freethinker, you would understand that your mind is strong enough to accept or reject any idea you choose. It wouldn't be possible to 'ram' anything down your throat.

3. 'Accept a grievance'? Why do you assume that Muslims should conduct themselves based on whether their feelings infract upon you and whether you choose to validate their views or not? Do we not all share the same basic human right to protest? The answer is yes, under the ECHR. Your grandad, your grandad's grandad and your ancestors back through to the 13th c would also understand that the right to protest was an integral component of the Magna Carta in 1215.

4. Who cares whether you accept labels which people attach to you because of the views you espouse? Just for the record, I find it an affront to intelligent people the world over that you find it acceptable to postulate without any factual basis and name yourself a 'freethinker'. Perhaps our idea of what it takes to think freely differ enormously.

5. You believe the Qur'an to be a 'fable'. Others don't. One could suggest that your belief system is as erroneous as any other. Murder in Islam is as prohibited as murder in any other morally measured belief system.

[rodin]

Extremists of any faith or otherwise are usually idiots.

Wheres that biscuit....? :D

Dunno about Muslims but extremist Christians are not Christians at all. However true Christians are in their own way extreme when judged by today's standards - ie anti degenerate. I guess having a moral compass is a revolutionary act these days.

[manxboz]

Do you mean small in size like the Diddymen in Knottyash? :p

Wouldn't surprise me on the Isle of Man with your tailless cats, four horned sheep and six legged cows...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGor7ZyCawI

Don't be daft, be we do have a lot of demonic four horned sheep and evil non climbing tailess cats.

I so want to sit down with my copy of the Koran (Sorry i know not the real spelling) and a Muslim and have a chat with him, it'll open my eyes i hope.

[anthony65]

Don't be daft, be we do have a lot of demonic four horned sheep and evil non climbing tailess cats.

I so want to sit down with my copy of the Koran (Sorry i know not the real spelling) and a Muslim and have a chat with him, it'll open my eyes i hope.

The six legged calf of man....:p

http://www.funsilly.com/images/6legcow.gif

[grachtengordel]

Are you out of hospital, Manxboz? You are sounding better. Are there any muslims on the Isle of Man? Have they taken over the shops there?

Luton used to be my home town and my mother lived in Bury Park until she finally had to get out along with all the other whites and home grown Lutonians who watched their town turn into a muslim ghetto. It's all so sad.
Young white kids are now terrified of walking through the Bury Park area.

These people hate us. Presumably that is what the PTB intended when they brought in these millions of aliens to our land.

and which land do you come from terry wogan?

[grachtengordel]

I also had an incident where an employee who I had a disagreement with accused me of calling him a 'black bastard', and I was to be brought up on a diciplinary hearing regarding this, which I was told was very serious because of it being racist. He was a technician, who wanted to take a part from one of the TV sets in my stock for a repair. This was not common practice, and I told him he couldn't do it, and would need to go and get one from the depot instead, which he reacted angrily to. He shouted expletives at me, then stormed out of my shop.

This same tech had tried this with a member of my staff prior to my working there - on that occassion, he'd grabbed one of her sandwiches she was having for lunch, and taken a bite. When she'd objected to his manners, he accused her of having called him a black bastard. This would have be so completely out of character from her that I laughed when she told me about it.

I had an unblemished record, and was highly pissed off at this false accusation, so I went through the audit roll to find a transaction I'd been processing when he came in - I knewI could identify it as it was a rental subscriber who'd been making a payment & had bought some ancilliary items at the same time - so we'd have this person's name & address on file. I provided these details to senior management, and insisted they contact the customer to get an unbiased witness account, which they did - they actually visited him at his home and got him to give a written statement!

This customer stated that not only was I the bees knees :D, but he'd been shocked at how aggressive the technician was, and he'd thought I had responded very calmly and had definately not called him any derogatory names. Incidentally, the customer was an Asian gentleman.

So the diciplinary was dropped. I said I wanted the tech brought up on a diciplinary for a). trying to take parts from my stock, which he'd attempted to just do without even asking for permission, b). behaving in an insulting and unprofessional manner towards myself and this infront of a customer, and c). his false racism accusation.

To my utter fury, my boss said that we 'couldn't do that', and I'd have to just forget it. I kicked off, big time, but never received a satisfactory explanation for what appeared to me to be racism against myself. I banned the tech from ever entering my branch again though. (I also banned another tech - a white one btw - who regularly came in being an arsehole).

This one individual got right up my nose, but I repeat, I never felt the kind of general racial animosity that you're describing, and don't believe for an instant that "These people hate us".

well thats absolutely FASCINATING, but what does it have to do with 'MUSLIMS'?

[free thinker]

OK, lets leave Islam out of it for a moment, just for the purpose of this single post.

The Bible says that the sea was parted to allow safe passage through it, is that something i should believe really happened...

If you dissect that a bit, why didn't anyone sink in the wet sand!!

You may get primitive people believing it, but in modern society who does.

Same goes for the burning bush...
ditto, Noah's ark....

in fact if you take for arguments sake, David Blane, and transport him back in time, Jesus would have been known as David!

[anthony65]

OK, lets leave Islam out of it for a moment, just for the purpose of this single post.

The Bible says that the sea was parted to allow safe passage through it, is that something i should believe really happened...

If you dissect that a bit, why didn't anyone sink in the wet sand!!

You may get primitive people believing it, but in modern society who does.

Same goes for the burning bush...
ditto, Noah's ark....

in fact if you take for arguments sake, David Blane, and transport him back in time, Jesus would have been known as David!

Now that's expanding the topic of this thread just a wee bit... :p

What is contained in the Old and New Testaments can be understood on different levels, the exoteric (obvious) and esoteric (hidden, deeper meaning).

Each of the subjects you mention is worthy of its own thread.

Noah's ark for example was clearly a very, very old (pre-judaic) story that can be found in many other cultures. What really happened?

What about modern society? Why are so many people around the world prepared to believe the bullshit fantasy that is the official version of 9/11?

But that doesn't mean that 9/11 didn't happen. It clearly did. but who gets to tell the story?

The same is true of many events in history. I think that simply dismissing them is lazy. So is simply believing them. Researching them and coming to your own opinion takes time and effort.

[wise haven]

What I don't understand is why these Muslims started rioting in the first place. As I understand it this was absolutely nothing to do with the BNP and was supposed to be a protest by the EDL and another group who didn't even turn up - in simple terms, there wasn't anyone there to counter protest.

It seems these youths wanted a ruck so had a go at the police as they were the only ones who did turn up - to keep the peace :D

[anthony65]

What I don't understand is why these Muslims started rioting in the first place. As I understand it this was absolutely nothing to do with the BNP and was supposed to be a protest by the EDL and another group who didn't even turn up - in simple terms, there wasn't anyone there to counter protest.

It seems these youths wanted a ruck so had a go at the police as they were the only ones who did turn up - to keep the peace :D

It wasn't much of a riot if the videos posted here are anything to go by.

Lots of hot-headed young men together and the police just standing there so the youths get the feeling that they are more powerful. Being in a crowd makes some people a little crazy.

But when the police moved forward the youths backed off from what I could see.

These young men live in a ghetto. This is their fantasy world where they feel so powerful, but they don't see that they are creating their own prison. Living with a feeling of hatred is bad for anyone. I wonder how many of them escape?

[free thinker]

What I don't understand is why these Muslims started rioting in the first place. As I understand it this was absolutely nothing to do with the BNP and was supposed to be a protest by the EDL and another group who didn't even turn up - in simple terms, there wasn't anyone there to counter protest.

It seems these youths wanted a ruck so had a go at the police as they were the only ones who did turn up - to keep the peace :D

If you go back a little further, only a couple of months ago, these were most probably the very same idiots who tried to cause trouble when our armed forces marched prouldy through the town.

[anthony65]

If you go back a little further, only a couple of months ago, these were most probably the very same idiots who tried to cause trouble when our armed forces marched prouldy through the town.

What did the soldiers have to be proud of?

[free thinker]

Now that's expanding the topic of this thread just a wee bit... :p

What is contained in the Old and New Testaments can be understood on different levels, the exoteric (obvious) and esoteric (hidden, deeper meaning).

Each of the subjects you mention is worthy of its own thread.

Noah's ark for example was clearly a very, very old (pre-judaic) story that can be found in many other cultures. What really happened?

What about modern society? Why are so many people around the world prepared to believe the bullshit fantasy that is the official version of 9/11?

But that doesn't mean that 9/11 didn't happen. It clearly did. but who gets to tell the story?

The same is true of many events in history. I think that simply dismissing them is lazy. So is simply believing them. Researching them and coming to your own opinion takes time and effort.

The old tesament was so bad, it had to be rewritten, conveniently leaving out the 'bad' parts.

But just giving this thread as an example, you can see, can you not, how divisive religion really is.

...there is good and bad in everyone.

But only a few hundred years or so back, people were being burned at the stake in the name of religion, suicide bombers are killing themselves, along with hunreds of others all in the name of religion, for this reason i refuse to accept it as anything good, and this covers all religions.

But i do have a common goal with my fellow humans to live in peace and harmony no matter what colour they are, we all bleed the same colour..:)

[free thinker]

What did the soldiers have to be proud of?

I guess being home... being in their own country, being alive...having done what has been asked of them for their country.

These scum who, claim to be british citizens should be proud of them also, after a majority of asians voted for the goverment that sent our servicemen and women out to fight in other countries, didnt they?

[wise haven]

It wasn't much of a riot if the videos posted here are anything to go by.

Lots of hot-headed young men together and the police just standing there so the youths get the feeling that they are more powerful. Being in a crowd makes some people a little crazy.

But when the police moved forward the youths backed off from what I could see.

These young men live in a ghetto. This is their fantasy world where they feel so powerful, but they don't see that they are creating their own prison. Living with a feeling of hatred is bad for anyone. I wonder how many of them escape?

OK - lots of hot headed young men - but what excuse do they have for throwing bricks at the police?

When I was a young man would I have been excused as being "hot headed" if I got a little angry and needed to throw bricks at the police to vent my anger?

We need to stop making excuses for people just because they are some form of societal minority. (Any and all minorities)

[wise haven]

What did the soldiers have to be proud of?

The soldiers probably didn't feel proud - just grateful there was some recognition of their sacrifice. After all they are just as much victims of government spin and lies as the rest of the population.

The Muslim protest against the soldiers was naive and cowardly to say the least.

If these Muslims have a grudge they should have the guts to go and protest against the government, the real cause of their grievances.

[rodin]

The old tesament was so bad, it had to be rewritten, conveniently leaving out the 'bad' parts.

This my opinion only

Like Krema 1 being 'rebuilt' was the Old Testament 'rewritten'

It is younger than the New Testament. It was a Judaic forgery based on the Talmud to enshrine in Christians the idea that the Judaics had the upper hand.

I have also been informed that without the Talmud there would be no Koran, but this is something I have not looked into.

Why I think OT is a hoax

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77604

[bornfree]

I had the pleasure of working with quite a few muslims & hindus in a high end furniture retail store where i was assistant manager for a few years (some 8/9 years ago). I'm glad that I did. For although the pay wasnt great, the experience of the warmth & humour these people shared with me was heartwarming. In fact I was the only white person in the store and they went out of their way to make me feel welcome and integrated (the irony of been in a minority of one in a UK business :D).

Their ages ranged from 20-65 & mostly male

We had alot of theosophical discussions, I learnt alot of the values of both religions. They taught me the wonders of garam masala & chick peas & how to make a healthy, nutritious lunch for less than £1 hehe! Their standards of hygiene were very high & i personally still practice those standards myself today.

1 gentleman who was muslim I came to call Pagee (uncle) had 4 daughters would share his stories about the stress of dowries and trying to arrange "good husbands" for his beautiful daughters (i met his whole family). When I say "arrange" He & his wife would arrange family meetings with the family of any prospective groom. However the daughters were never under any pressure to accept. They still had to right to excercise their will. I had some extensive chats with 2 of his girls (BTW all were over 20) & they led pretty western lifestyles which i thought might lead them to resent the "arrangement" process. Far from it. They said they were having trouble meeting muslim men who werent intimidated by them! All were strong-minded Uni or post graduate career ladies.

The parents were always trying to tread the fine line between keeping customs & traditions whilst enabling freedom of expression & the joining of society.

What struck me was practically all my co-wokers had pretty strong views on immigration. They all thought the government was letting in "everyone & anyone". I said that isnt this a case of you wanting the door shut behind you after you got here (they were nearly all 1st generation immigrants themselves). Jokingly they would say "of course" :p ... But they would all say that they had to get meaningful university qualifications before coming here & that if things continued the way are its inevitable that we would end up with extremists & criminals.

Im still in touch regularly with a majority of these kind & warm people i worked with (we meet up at least once a year) & hope to remain so indefinitely.

I personally believe alot of what we see is testosterone in action & poor values & morals engendered by parents. This leaves younger people exposed to tribal radicalisation be it political, religious or "sporting".

[wise haven]

I had the pleasure of working with quite a few muslims & hindus in a high end furniture retail store where i was assistant manager for a few years (some 8/9 years ago). I'm glad that I did. For although the pay wasnt great, the experience of the warmth & humour these people shared with me was heartwarming. In fact I was the only white person in the store and they went out of their way to make me feel welcome and integrated (the irony of been in a minority of one in a UK business :D).

Their ages ranged from 20-65 & mostly male

We had alot of theosophical discussions, I learnt alot of the values of both religions. They taught me the wonders of garam masala & chick peas & how to make a healthy, nutritious lunch for less than £1 hehe! Their standards of hygiene were very high & i personally still practice those standards myself today.

1 gentleman who was muslim I came to call Pagee (uncle) had 4 daughters would share his stories about the stress of dowries and trying to arrange "good husbands" for his beautiful daughters (i met his whole family). When I say "arrange" He & his wife would arrange family meetings with the family of any prospective groom. However the daughters were never under any pressure to accept. They still had to right to excercise their will. I had some extensive chats with 2 of his girls (BTW all were over 20) & they led pretty western lifestyles which i thought might lead them to resent the "arrangement" process. Far from it. They said they were having trouble meeting muslim men who werent intimidated by them! All were strong-minded Uni or post graduate career ladies.

The parents where always trying to tread the fine line between keeping customs & traditions whilst enabling freedom of expression & the joining of society.

What struck me was practically all my co-wokers had pretty strong views on immigration. They all thought the government was letting in "everyone & anyone". I said that isnt this a case of you wanting the door shut behind you after you got here (they were nearly all 1st generation immigrants themselves). Jokingly they would say "of course" :p ... But they would all say that they had to get meaningful university qualifications before coming here & that if things continued the way are its inevitable that we would end up with extremists & criminals.

Im still in touch regularly with a majority of these kind & warm people i worked with (we meet up at least once a year) & hope to remain so indefinitely.

I personally believe alot of what we see is testosterone in action & poor values & morals engendered by parents. This leaves younger people exposed to tribal radicalisation be it political, religious or "sporting".

Nice post. I have had some very positive experiences with all aspects of asian culture and religion. Unfortunately these experiences are becoming few and far between - not because of the people but by a crazy multi-cultural agenda which actually creates conflict between cultures and societies.

If left alone people will always find a way to get along - but governements will always destroy that by forcing their own false and failure inherent social programs.

[the moral man]

freethinker?.. since when does the quran allow violence like this? it doesnt, it FORBIDS it. And since when have asians been muslims?? i can guarantee you that 90% of those youths are muslims by name, they dont practise it, they arnt muslims theyre idiots.. a bit like those 'footy' supporters from the other night.. didnt see the papers labelling them as christians did we...

call yourself a free thinker.. your a joke

Dear scooby85
kind regards
I agree completely with what you say.
I am not religious at all nowadays, but when I was a Bible bashing Christian, the Muslims annoyed me because they do everything contrary to their religion and alot of them are a public nuisance.
However, these people are Muslim in name only and not in practice.
If I was a practicing Muslim I would be outraged at how the majority of Muslims are destroying the image of my religion.
There is a definate discrimination drive against Islam in the media and in order to tarnish that religion, they have to shine a light on the Minion Incarnations who are destructive bums with a quoran in their hand.
The one God religions have outlived their usefulness and The Game wants rid of all of them.
The agents of the Game gradually removed the influence in Western civilization and they want to remove Islam from the Middle East.
What is the agenda?
The agenda is to create a one World government where all cultures, nations and races are neutralized and merged together until the differences are completely cancelled out, that is called Sequentalization.
For more information about the Sequentalization of the planet I would recommend that you read the entire Matrix 5 trilogy.
yours thankfully
John

[tyler]

Of course there are good, decent, kind muslims living here but the fact remains.....there are far too many of them and out country is becoming a middle eastern, muslim colony.
Most native born Brits do not want to see this happening and are uncomfortable living alongside this alternative society that has been created in their country.
Not only is it time to stop all immigration but we must find ways to send these people back. We may have to offer financial incentives to begin with and it will cost us a lot but ultimately we may have to use very unpopular methods that go against the grain of most decent British people. Unfortunately soon we may have no other choice.

[bealert]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8229973.stm

Riot police broke up a mob of 200 Asian youngsters after they threw fireworks at officers in a town where a right-wing march was banned.

Officers wearing helmets and carrying shields went to Luton's Bury Park after youths attacked local police on Sunday.

The disorder followed community tension over protests in the town.

Bedfordshire Police said protesters had been deterred from a planned march on Sunday by a banning order approved by Home Secretary Alan Johnson last week.

The force added: "[Sunday's] disorder follows weeks of engagement and public consultation by Bedfordshire Police and Luton Borough Council in response to tensions within the community after the town was identified as a potential location for a march by right-wing supporters."

Luton Borough Council and Bedfordshire Police were granted a three-month banning order on public processions by four named organisations or associated groups.

Police previously said residents and businesses feared a repeat of the violence and disorder which erupted when the groups previously marched in the town and elsewhere.

Protest plans by March for England, UK Casuals United, United People of Luton and English Defence League had increased tensions in Luton, they added.

Angry scenes broke out in March when a small number of Muslims held an anti-war protest during a homecoming parade of British troops.

I made a point in another thread with a similar title, that thread was not taken down so i dont see why this should be.

Sweeping statements work both ways - What good for the goose.....
there are problems throughout the world not just with Muslims the fact you have chosen to pick out A certain race OR religion and call them violent is racism you should be BANNED. Muslims are no different from any other members of our society theres good and bad people everywhere and from all walks of life.

[suicidal_martyr]

It's funny how the obsession with all things Muslim, has accelerated big time since the obscene attack on Iraq.

TPTB played a blinder there, polluting the minds of the general public. Of course it can only work if you're prone to xenophobia.

I know, seems all people know how to do is make stereotypes of everyone. It's just an indication of how dumbed down people can be. Divide and conquor works quite well it seems...

[free thinker]

there are problems throughout the world not just with Muslims the fact you have chosen to pick out A certain race OR religion and call them violent is racism you should be BANNED. Muslims are no different from any other members of our society theres good and bad people everywhere and from all walks of life.

Yeah, yeah..whatever.:rolleyes:

[free thinker]

there are problems throughout the world not just with Muslims the fact you have chosen to pick out A certain race OR religion and call them violent is racism you should be BANNED. Muslims are no different from any other members of our society theres good and bad people everywhere and from all walks of life.

LOOK, just two words changed in your post, same meaning huh?:rolleyes:

there are problems throughout the world not just with BNP the fact you have chosen to pick out A certain race OR religion and call them violent is racism you should be BANNED. BNP are no different from any other members of our society theres good and bad people everywhere and from all walks of life.

[grachtengordel]

....there are far too many of them and our country is becoming a middle eastern, muslim colony.
Most native born Brits do not want to see this happening and are uncomfortable living alongside this alternative society that has been created in their country.
Not only is it time to stop all immigration but we must find ways to send these people back. We may have to offer financial incentives to begin with and it will cost us a lot but ultimately we may have to use very unpopular methods that go against the grain of most decent British people.

First, you refer to "britain" and also to your "country" as if they are the same.
'britain' is NOT a country, it is a union or conglomerate of 'territories'

Second, you haven't answered my question from earlier.........

and which land do you come from terry wogan?

meaning where were you "native born"? and don't say 'britain', I want to know which COUNTRY you were born in.

[grachtengordel]

LOOK, just two words changed in your post, same meaning huh?

BNP is not a 'race' or 'religion' , it is a mental illness

[bealert]

LOOK, just two words changed in your post, same meaning huh?:rolleyes:
the link you provided here is false you appear to have edited yourself to prove a point.
your rascist scum and a liar

[free thinker]

the link you provided here is false you appear to have edited yourself to prove a point.
your rascist scum and a liar

Sorry, you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit what you think. :)

Save it...Idiot

[bealert]

Sorry, you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit what you think. :)

and yes your right
people that are racist are of a low intelligence and you seem to fit that bracket just fine.

[free thinker]

This is what has gone wrong in this country today, no-one can have a discission about Islam or Muslims without it resorting to personal jibes, well sorry, you should defend your faiths in a constructive way..it might help your arguements a little.

the same old song comes out...you racist bla, bla...change the record FFS!

[free thinker]

people that are racist are of a low intelligence and you seem to fit that bracket just fine.


people that call people racist because they know of no other arguement are of a low intelligence and you seem to fit that bracket just fine.


;);)

[decim]

Even Nostradamus could've predicted the course of this thread.

Machine sub-routines ad infinitum.

Look up, you might see an exit.

[gilly]

well thats absolutely FASCINATING, but what does it have to do with 'MUSLIMS'?

I expect you read the post & the quoted one within it, so your feigned confusion's a bit tedious really, you little tinker! :p

[gilly]

Albeit an emotive subject, the personal insults need to stop please if this thread's to stay out of the rant room.

[bealert]

This is what has gone wrong in this country today, no-one can have a discission about Islam or Muslims without it resorting to personal jibes, well sorry, you should defend your faiths in a constructive way..it might help your arguements a little.

the same old song comes out...you racist bla, bla...change the record FFS!
no you cant have a conversation on a open forum if it involves lies or sweeping statements with no evidence to support what your saying. racism is a disease its like a cancer that spreads and pollutes the mind. I h ave reported your post and if no action is taken i will take action myself and forward the post to the necessary complaints department/mp or police.

[free thinker]

Gilly, you may as well lock the thread and throw it in the bin.....Whats the point in carrying it on, otherwise someone will say the wrong thing and en up banned....all in the name of religion.

[gilly]

If that's what you want, I'm happy to oblige. :)