'We have broken speed of light'

[kasalt]

GERMANY, August 16, 2007: A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time. According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second. However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory. The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences. For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving. The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws. Dr. Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/16/scispeed116.xml

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences. For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

So does that mean that they received the particle before they sent it then?

[smariot]

I think that by going faster than the speed of light, you end up with the square root of a negative number*, rather than just a regular negative number.

So, instead of going backwards in time, you go. . . I don't know. . . in some direction perpendicular to both space and time? Maybe an alternate future of one of our pasts.

Of course you might not even notice. Your particle ends up in some other reality, but you can't tell, because it gets replaced by a particle from yet another alternate reality where a bunch of people were doing the exact same experiment you were.

The particles are playing musical universes, again.

*This might actually have been the particles weight rather than its motion in time, but that's still pretty unreal. What direction would a particle with an imaginary weight move inside a gravity field?

[agate]

DNA,laser.

[hagbard_celine]

Because of qunatun entanglement we know that particles communicate instantaneously anyway. But I'm wondering if maybe these scientists haven't actually broken the speed of light in the place they did the experiment. This is because of the theory that the speed of light changes depending on the gravitational fields.

There was a good TV show about a cambridge physicist called Joao Mygueshu (apelling?) who's published a theory on the variable speed of light.

[sirjohnthebadji]

The speed of light always seemed arbitrary to me. Repeal The Laws Of Physics, I say.

[hagbard_celine]

See the UFO board. There's a thread about the Pioneer probes you might be interested in.

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

scientist are really arrogant ya know, they think they know and come up with everything, well buddhists/hindu/taoists have been breaking physical laws for fuckin ages. levitation, healing-close and long distance, astral travel, making ur body impervious to harm. man when i was doing my uni units last year i had a scince based unit and they were saying this is possible and that is impossible, this and that, that and this, blah blah blah, when they staed discussing religion/spirituality and asking why did ppl believe in it before (impling that it's all bullshit) i just wanted to go "hey dude, that may be because some of it's fuckin true, check this out, bam hadouken! i was so close so many times, but then i remember that my ego is as big as the library of knowledge in my head lol, so have to bite my tounge-i don';t think the lec would like being "shown" sum shit in front of other ppl, might actually make him and others "think!"

[kblood]

Didnt this happen quite a few years ago? I know they found a way to slow the speed of light with gasses at least. Making it faster does give some quite nice possibilites though. So far I believe astral travelling one of the only ways to move faster than the speed of light. Seems astral travelling can be a bit like premonition of a future, with your out of body being there, and maybe able to change something there.

[truthsayer]

Didnt this happen quite a few years ago? I know they found a way to slow the speed of light with gasses at least. Making it faster does give some quite nice possibilites though. So far I believe astral travelling one of the only ways to move faster than the speed of light. Seems astral travelling can be a bit like premonition of a future, with your out of body being there, and maybe able to change something there.

This could link up with the ability to interact with other dimensions; the 4th where the reptiles exist.

I believe that we've only scratched the surface of what the mind/soul can do.

How much of science is held back publicly for our "benefit"? What's the reality of the advancement of science to those privy to the knowledge?

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http://www.crystalinks.com/movgridglobe.gifDidnt this happen quite a few years ago?
Yes.. I think your right, it happen a few years ago ..and maybe thats also one of the reasons why so many things are repeting now.. or to say the - Times - are repeting and interlapping, in a way as it is what happens with the speed of sound in somthing like >http://www.crystalinks.com/00nasa.jpg
Astronomy Picture of the Day 2007 August 19 (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html)
A Sonic Boom
Credit: Ensign John Gay, USS Constellation, US Navy
Explanation: Is this what a sonic boom looks like? When an airplane travels at a speed faster than sound, density waves of sound emitted by the plane cannot precede the plane, and so accumulate in a cone behind the plane. When this shock wave passes, a listener hears all at once the sound emitted over a longer period: a sonic boom. As a plane accelerates to just break the sound barrier, however, an unusual cloud might form. The origin of this cloud is still debated. A leading theory is that a drop in air pressure at the plane described by the Prandtl-Glauert Singularity occurs so that moist air condenses there to form water droplets. Above, an F/A-18 Hornet was photographed just as it broke the sound barrier. Large meteors and the space shuttle frequently produce audible sonic booms before they are slowed below sound speed by the Earth's atmosphere.

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[agate]

Please let me explain Time=Space in a simple way.

I think it's easy to understand the diffraction of sound wave. If you can 'vibrate' every molecule of your body as same frequency as the sound wave, then your body will not be blocked by any diffracting mask(Door,wall,desk,etc.), which means the diffracting mask will not 'See' your existence. then, what will happen when the diffracting mask is a creature who has eyes?:)

Then ,time travel would be a quite easy thing if you know how to use your God consciousness to control your body frequency.

Also you can explain all kinds of weird things happened in this world......

[carlo]

You sound like you have tested out this theory yourself?

[agate]

You sound like you have tested out this theory yourself?

To be honest, I haven't yet. :)

[carlo]

I think that by going faster than the speed of light, you end up with the square root of a negative number*, rather than just a regular negative number.

So, instead of going backwards in time, you go. . . I don't know. . . in some direction perpendicular to both space and time? Maybe an alternate future of one of our pasts.

Of course you might not even notice. Your particle ends up in some other reality, but you can't tell, because it gets replaced by a particle from yet another alternate reality where a bunch of people were doing the exact same experiment you were.

The particles are playing musical universes, again.

*This might actually have been the particles weight rather than its motion in time, but that's still pretty unreal. What direction would a particle with an imaginary weight move inside a gravity field? What?

[ah42]

GERMANY, August 16, 2007: A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time. According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second. However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory. The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences. For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving. The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws. Dr. Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/16/scispeed116.xml

The quote in the telegraph "Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences. For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving." is pure bull, probably designed to mess with your mind. This whole faster than light thing was a thought experiment by Einstein in which he imagined being able to see a clock on earth as large as if he were next to it, while travelling away from it at the speed of light. What would happen would be that the time would stay the same while he travelled away from it because he would be keeping up with the light waves that were reflected from the clock at that time. On the way back he would be seeing the light waves closer and closer quicker and quicker so that time would appear to be accelerated and the hands of the clock would travel faster. This is the meaning of relativity. On the way out, time would travel slower to him relative to what it would be percieved by somone standing in front of the clock, and on the way back he would percieve it travelling faster. He would not go back in time if he travelled faster than light, he would just percieve the hands of the clock going backwards on the way out as he caught up with the light waves reflected before he left. And on the way back the clock hands would just travel faster. I have thought about a lot and I don't see why they came to the conclusion that travelling faster than light would throw you back in time. Time is linear(apparently), so even if you went at 200,000 miles per second you would only percieve time going backwards, you would not go backwards in time. I think that it is perhaps not that nothing can travel faster than light, we just can't percieve anything that does....yet.

[mynameis]

The problem isn't breaking the speed of light it's creating a device to receive and time stamp the reception of the package before the package was sent. Meticulous as it sounds it's not very hard to produce if you've studied some of Nikola Tesla's arguments.

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

going interdimentional/ to other realms within this universe is very possible and can be ahcieved through meditation

[smariot]

What?

As you approach the speed of light, the movement of time approaches zero. IIRC (which I might not, to be perfectly honest), this involved a square root, so if you went past the speed of light, you would be asking for a number that, when squared, would have a negative result. You couldn't be moving in a negative direction through time, a negative number squared is positive. You couldn't be traveling in a positive direction, a positive number squared is positive. What does that leave us with?

There is an mathematical constant, i, that when squared equals -1. I propose that the answer is some factor of that constant, making time a two dimensional thing rather than a linear one dimensional thing.

I'll be honest, I'm just making shit up, and having a lot of fun while I do it. This is purely science fiction. But so what? I'll continue.

This makes space-time a five dimensional thing. 3 for space, 2 for time. We normally think of time as a line, and we're a little dot moving along it, from one end to the other. But in the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, everything that can happen, does happen. So time can't really be a line, it's more like a branching tree, and you only follow one of its branches. Each branch would be a separate reality. This would be a two dimensional structure, rather than a one dimensional structure.

If you go faster than the speed of light, time stops moving forward, but instead of reversing, it sheers sideways, and the particle ends up in an alternate realty, jumping to one of the nearby branches.

But because each of the branches (realities) are almost completely identical, there's probably a copy of you in the alternate reality doing the same experiment you are, so when you send the particle faster than the speed of light, it vanishes into another reality, but you don't notice that it's missing, because as soon as it vanishes, it gets replaced by the particle from the experiment of that other you in another alternate reality. The particle that got teleported faster than the speed of light isn't the particle you started with, yours is gone and the particle you have came from another universe, effectively.

Yeah, it's all bullshit. But it's the fun interesting kind, in my opinion, anyway. Make of this what you will.

[kblood]

Yes Smariot. In the end it actually comes down to basic math. About Einsteins theories and all that cant be proven in math without a bit of faith ;)

To make the impossible possible, like timetravel, you need to make things like what you just wrote happen. Balance your "chi" or whatever it is, and afaik you can even use your mind to timetravel your own body. Our minds can understand things alot better than we can ourselves if we train it. I never was able to die, and usually my surviving could only be explaining by me changning my fate. Might have something to do with my DNA, but everytime I end up in some situation where I should I died, I just seem to get another timeline where I didnt. As if some kind of destiny in me makes it impossible for me to day, before it is fulfilled. Anyone seen any of the movies where some person gets to relieve the same day for what seems like months? They get to know everything about this single day, untill they live the day the best way possible, or do something that needs to be done. Make get the girl of their dreams or stopping some emminent disaster. I believe several of us have tried this in some way, and might have ended up being discarded as a dream or dreams, left to become forgotten if possible.

At my current state though, I seem to be able to change the course of time around me to correct every kind of evil I see fit to change, if it is the right thing to do. I have been training for this my whole life though. I have always seen it as possible to do all that is normally only written about in fantasy books, and so far I havent found it that impossible. It just needs some inspiration from others and maybe situations that can be stimulating. Unless these abilities are something you really feel you need to use, they wont just happen, unless unstable, then they might seem as a series of nightmares that cant be controlled.

How I do it: I simply try to memorize a the timeline around me, and then focus on reversing things around me back to the way they were around me, if too many things go wrong. Being able to do this, everything seems possible. Then with the help of telekinesis, astral projection, scrying and all those other usefull abilities, it should be possible to find good outcomes for most situations. In the end it is the future that is the most shapable though, therefore it is very hard to do without alot of training. I might have succeded once in changing the past, but finding a timeline where this is possible, is so very hard to do. Also it could affect the world in ways that I cant understand, which therefore makes me not do it. I did it once because I needed it to keep my faith in "oneness" or that everything could lead to something good, instead of just more death.

[fccool]

GERMANY, August 16, 2007: A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time. According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second. However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory. The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences. For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving. The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws. Dr. Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/16/scispeed116.xml

It's very naive to take their measurements as accurate. It's very hard to measure the speed of the electrons... because the existance of the electrons is a theory to begin with. It's a darn good theory with lot's of data behind it, but it is a theory nevertheless. Media likes to censationalize the new "achievements" like this one for example.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8670604913508341677&q=salt+water+burning&total=81&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

There's a wires feeding into the machine that generates Microwave RF signal that heats up the particles, but media chooses to ignore the subject and say something along the lines of "a small engine that runs on nothing else but salt water". I laughed my ass out.

So it is in this case. I don;t dismiss the sience of it all, and perhaps they even broken the speed of light limit, but to say that I know that they did for sure would be very naive at best :).

[kblood]

I hope I will be able to find a UFO some day, and see if they have some kind of timetravelling device in them :) Damn elusive those UFOs though. I dont even have the sensory technology to observe them, and I guess I would have to look at the sky alot more.