The bible is designed by God Get used to it!

[miracles]

Genesis 1: 1-5

The vocabulary of the first five verses of Genesis (containing the account of the first day of creation) has in the Hebrew 33 words, whose numeric value is 6,188 or 884 x 7 (feature 1.) This number is thus divided by sevens. The initial letters of the 33 words have 2401, or 7x7x7x7: not only a multiple of seven, but even the fourth power of seven; and the remaining letters have 3,787, or 541 x 7 (feature 2). As the Hebrew alphabet has only 22 letters, the 33 words do not of course begin with 33 different letters, but with a smaller number, namely 16. Now the numeric value of the 33 initial letters, 2401 or 343 x 7, is thus divided: The 16 letters used in beginning the 33 words have 1,281 or 183 x 7; while the duplicates have 1,120, or 160 x7. (feature 3).

The first and last words in the vocabulary arranged alphabetically have a numeric value of 207 and 451, or 658, which is 94 x7 (feature 4), while the first and last words of the vocabulary arranged in order of the occurrence of the words in the text have a numeric value of 911 and 13, or 824 which is 132 x7. (Feature 5) Every seventh word in the vocabulary has for its value 2, 20, 75, 911, or 1,008, which is 7 x 3 x3 x 2x 2 x 2 x 2, not only itself a multiple of seven but having seven factors, and their sum is 21, or 3 x 7 (feature 6-8). And of these four numbers 2, 20, 75, 911 the first and the third have 77, or 7 x11 sevens. (feature 9)

Just seven words of the vocabulary occur in more than one form; and the numeric value of the vocabulary, 6m166 or 884 x 7, is accordingly thus divided by sevens; the seven words which occur in more than form have 1,610, or 230 x 7: and the words which occur on only one form have 4,478, or 654 x 7(feature 10-11)

Fourteen words, or 2 x 7, begin with the letter meaning and, which is combined twice
with other prefixes. The numeric value of the prefixes in these 14 words, or 2 x 7, is 119, or 17 x 7; of which (the letter for and) has 84, or 12 x 7, and the other prefixes have 35, or 5 x 7. (feature 12- 14)

The presence of these fourteen features of sevens here is either accidental or designed. If accidental the chance for it is only one in seven multiplied by itself 14 times, or one in 678,233, 072, 849. The presence of these features of sevens in there for designed.

Wake up and smell the coffee folks, you dont have a leg to stand on. I can provide evidence all day everyday that God wrote the bible supernaturally through men.

[krakhead]

Wouldn't this have worked better as an addendum to this thread - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76702

You know, the thread which was ignored? :p ;)

:D

[miracles]

Wouldn't this have worked better as an addendum to this thread - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76702

You know, the thread which was ignored? :p ;)

:D

Yeah I suppose your right dude, it really beats the living daylights out of me why people ignore this stuff. Even I can't fathom it and Im really really intelligent. :cool:

[tracker]

Its funny how all those who try to justify the idea of a god --always refure to only one source of information --------------a book designed to make people believe in a god .

yet

the book was written by men !

who are their own gods !

who created ------the idea of god .

my god is love
my beleif structure is run around humanity .

its the best beleif system in the world .

my god

does not sacrifice its own children -------in the backward name of love .unlike the other gods -----------who have .

this is so laughable .

micky mouse is a more peace loving charactor -------why doesnt any one follow him ?

after all

it comes from the good book of micky mouse , the all loving , all knowing , ---------mouse .

its just as credible as a being in the sky we cant see .

oh yes ------please supply evidance / photos of god please ---------I have never seen one .:cool:

[krakhead]

Yeah I suppose your right dude, it really beats the living daylights out of me why people ignore this stuff. Even I can't fathom it and Im really really intelligent. :cool:

LMAO! Oh my good lord! Is that a sense of humour you're developing there miracles? Careful now - you''ll go to hell for it! :p :D

[miracles]

LMAO! Oh my good lord! Is that a sense of humour you're developing there miracles? Careful now - you''ll go to hell for it! :p :D

LMBO (I said bottom coz ass is a naughty word. Opps I said ass. :D Im off to bed, thanks for the laugh, that was a good one.

[miracles]

Its funny how all those who try to justify the idea of a god --always refure to only one source of information --------------a book designed to make people believe in a god .

yet

the book was written by men !

who are their own gods !

who created ------the idea of god .

my god is love
my beleif structure is run around humanity .

its the best beleif system in the world .

my god

does not sacrifice its own children -------in the backward name of love .unlike the other gods -----------who have .

this is so laughable .

micky mouse is a more peace loving charactor -------why doesnt any one follow him ?

after all

it comes from the good book of micky mouse , the all loving , all knowing , ---------mouse .

its just as credible as a being in the sky we cant see .

oh yes ------please supply evidance / photos of god please ---------I have never seen one .:cool:

Tracker your in denial. Take your shades of and read the OP. Please and thank you.

[tracker]

Wake up and smell the coffee folks, you dont have a leg to stand on. I can provide evidence all day everyday that God wrote the bible supernaturally through men.




what a nightmare !

puppets used by higher beings .

nope ------------- this means that this is hell ------not earth -----------and certainly not ---------real ----------life .

man is an enigma himself .

he does not conform the natural order of things like other animals here on earth , and if this is god relating , then we are the gods .


men ------are the creators and destroyers of gods , ------------and the creators of the bible ----for which came at a dawn of reasoning ----------the dawn of consciouseness .

we are multi dimensional beings -------------------we are our own god .
:cool:

[miracles]

what a nightmare !

puppets used by higher beings .

nope ------------- this means that this is hell ------not earth -----------and certainly not ---------real ----------life .

man is an enigma himself .

he does not conform the natural order of things like other animals here on earth , and if this is god relating , then we are the gods .


men ------are the creators and destroyers of gods , ------------and the creators of the bible ----for which came at a dawn of reasoning ----------the dawn of consciouseness .

we are multi dimensional beings -------------------we are our own god .
:cool:

Tracker, your a space cadet, but your harmless.

[brainfreeze]

Yeah I suppose your right dude, it really beats the living daylights out of me why people ignore this stuff. Even I can't fathom it and Im really really intelligent. :cool:

I would hazzard a guess and say it's in the way you tell it. You're rather bloody angry and the God you speak of is far too scary and nasty. Fear thy God? That's not love.

Perhaps more people would have bothered with this thread but for the tone in the heading. If you sneer when you speak you will be ignored, so get use to it.:)

[geolaureate8]

Wake up and smell the coffee folks, you dont have a leg to stand on. I can provide evidence all day everyday that God wrote the bible supernaturally through men.

Miracles, I don't care if the Bible was proven 100% true, Yahweh shook my hand, and ate dinner with Jesus. I will never become a Christian and I will reject the Bible regardless. It's not a lack of evidence for me. Christianity as a whole is the most philosophically unsound, tainted, and twisted of all philosophies.


"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." – Richard Dawkins

"[Religious belief] is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you - who must, indeed, subject you - to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life - I say, of your life - before you're born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you're dead." - Christopher Hitchins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaQpRZJl18

I suggest you watch this. I guarantee you can't refute it.

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[synergy777]

I would hazzard a guess and say it's in the way you tell it. You're rather bloody angry and the God you speak of is far too scary and nasty. Fear thy God? That's not love.

Perhaps more people would have bothered with this thread but for the tone in the heading. If you sneer when you speak you will be ignored, so get use to it.:)

god is not angry/wrathful, the people who wrote that about god, did it in order to maintain their priestly power, as if they told you the truth about god, eg god is all forgiving, loving, compassionate, where would it leave them and their power.

even jesus said, speak/pray to the all loving god, by yourself, you have no need for rituals, intermediaries/priests etc.

you have to remember that the elite know the power of religion, and thus corrupt/distort it in order to maintain power.

the elite use religion as a trojan horse. to control the masses via fear, guilt etc.

in the bible there is ample evidence of the corrupt clergy, of corrupt religion.

jesus went to the temple, to turn the tables of traders, he argued against the temple priesthood, he exposed the religous corruption and the elite. thus he spoke about a loving god, a compassionate god. thats why the elite priesthood, had to kill him, as he revealed the truth, and it threatened their power/control via corrupt religion.

you see its simple logic, the is only one god, and he/she is loving, caring, compassionate etc. if he/she wasn't these things, then how could he/she be god?

its an oxymoron to say an angry god, a wrathful god.

as these are human emotions, lower modes of thought.

god is the supreme intelligence, thus compassionate, wise, etc.

yes religion has been used an excuse for evil things, but thats politics/propaganda, the elite need a good reason/cover strory, to get people to do evil things. thus by using god/religion as a justification, its makes things easier for them.

[brainfreeze]

god is not angry/wrathful, the people who wrote that about god, did it in order to maintain their priestly power, as if they told you the truth about god, eg god is all forgiving, loving, compassionate, where would it leave them and their power.

even jesus said, speak/pray to the all loving god, by yourself, you have no need for rituals, intermediaries etc.

you have to remember that the elite know the power of religion, and thus corrupt/distort it in order to maintain power.

the elite use religion as a trojan horse. to control the masses via fear, guilt etc.

in the bible there is ample evidence of the corrupt clergy, of corrupt religion.

jesus went to the temple, to turn the tables of traders, he argued against the temple priesthood, he exposed the religous corruption and the elite. thus he spoke about a loving god, a compassionate god. thats why the elite priesthood, had to kill him, as he revealed the truth, and it threatened their power/control via corrupt religion.

you see its simple logic, the is only one god, and he/she is loving, caring, compassionate etc. if he/she wasn't these things, then how could he/she be god?

its an oxymoron to say an angry god, a wrathful god.

as these are human emotions, lower modes of thought.

god is the supreme intelligence, thus compassionate, wise, etc.

Thanks Synergy777, I get what you've said and I think I bowed to the God you speak of for awhile. I left church because of the dodgy paster Henry Wolmerans. Here's his link. http://www.henrywm.org/

"religion is the best business to be in" I recall him saying.

My answer was directed at Miracles because he comes across as very angry and preachers of a God of hate.

[synergy777]

Thanks Synergy777, I get what you've said and I think I bowed to the God you speak of for awhile. I left church because of the dodgy paster Henry Wolmerans. Here's his link. http://www.henrywm.org/

"religion is the best business to be in" I recall him saying.

My answer was directed at Miracles because he comes across as very angry and preachers of a God of hate.

miracles is a good guy, he just has fire/strength, and thus dives into battle. it is a good trait, he just needs to chill a bit more.

i think people tend to attack religion, because it easy to. what they must do, is seperate religion from religous polictics/propaganda.

they must test them by their fruits. even jesus said watch out for religous corruption, religous elite etc.

thus what many people must see is that their anti religon stance was what jesus stood for, he came to expose and correct the religous corruption. eg woe to those who call evil good, and good evil, woe to pharisees/priest and scribes, the synagogue of satan etc.

after all its was the priesthood, that conspired to murder jesus anyway, thus the anti-religous people need to actiually read whole texts, and use context. not just jump on the anti religous, juvenile, we are anti-system bandwagon.

if god is god, then he/she is one, he/she is all wise, compassionate, merciful, good, loving, caring, supportive, etc.

he/she can have no negative traits, as negative traits are lower traits, unevolved, unwise, evil traits, thus god cannot have them, as if god had these traits, then he/she can't be god.

if he/she had these traits, then he/she is a fraud, a deciever, a wannabe god, and we all know who this wannabe god is, the elite worship him.

thus the elite make the real one god, to be evil, wrathful, etc, in order to control us by fear/guilt etc, and to also distance us from the truth/real god.

its propaganda.

[geolaureate8]

god is not angry/wrathful, the people who wrote that about god, did it in order to maintain their priestly power, as if they told you the truth about god, eg god is all forgiving, loving, compassionate, where would it leave them and their power.

even jesus said, speak/pray to the all loving god, by yourself, you have no need for rituals, intermediaries/priests etc.

you have to remember that the elite know the power of religion, and thus corrupt/distort it in order to maintain power.

the elite use religion as a trojan horse. to control the masses via fear, guilt etc.

in the bible there is ample evidence of the corrupt clergy, of corrupt religion.

jesus went to the temple, to turn the tables of traders, he argued against the temple priesthood, he exposed the religous corruption and the elite. thus he spoke about a loving god, a compassionate god. thats why the elite priesthood, had to kill him, as he revealed the truth, and it threatened their power/control via corrupt religion.

you see its simple logic, the is only one god, and he/she is loving, caring, compassionate etc. if he/she wasn't these things, then how could he/she be god?

its an oxymoron to say an angry god, a wrathful god.

as these are human emotions, lower modes of thought.

god is the supreme intelligence, thus compassionate, wise, etc.

yes religion has been used an excuse for evil things, but thats politics/propaganda, the elite need a good reason/cover strory, to get people to do evil things. thus by using god/religion as a justification, its makes things easier for them.

You say that "god" can't be angry and wrathful because they're human emotions, yet you still anthropomorphize him with other human attributes.

Pantheism is the only viable concept that makes sense. The man floating in the sky is not plausible, nor is a dead, mechanical Universe plausible.

.

[marpat]

Genesis 1: 1-5

The vocabulary of the first five verses of Genesis (containing the account of the first day of creation) has in the Hebrew 33 words, whose numeric value is 6,188 or 884 x 7 (feature 1.) This number is thus divided by sevens. The initial letters of the 33 words have 2401, or 7x7x7x7: not only a multiple of seven, but even the fourth power of seven; and the remaining letters have 3,787, or 541 x 7 (feature 2). As the Hebrew alphabet has only 22 letters, the 33 words do not of course begin with 33 different letters, but with a smaller number, namely 16. Now the numeric value of the 33 initial letters, 2401 or 343 x 7, is thus divided: The 16 letters used in beginning the 33 words have 1,281 or 183 x 7; while the duplicates have 1,120, or 160 x7. (feature 3).

The first and last words in the vocabulary arranged alphabetically have a numeric value of 207 and 451, or 658, which is 94 x7 (feature 4), while the first and last words of the vocabulary arranged in order of the occurrence of the words in the text have a numeric value of 911 and 13, or 824 which is 132 x7. (Feature 5) Every seventh word in the vocabulary has for its value 2, 20, 75, 911, or 1,008, which is 7 x 3 x3 x 2x 2 x 2 x 2, not only itself a multiple of seven but having seven factors, and their sum is 21, or 3 x 7 (feature 6-8). And of these four numbers 2, 20, 75, 911 the first and the third have 77, or 7 x11 sevens. (feature 9)

Just seven words of the vocabulary occur in more than one form; and the numeric value of the vocabulary, 6m166 or 884 x 7, is accordingly thus divided by sevens; the seven words which occur in more than form have 1,610, or 230 x 7: and the words which occur on only one form have 4,478, or 654 x 7(feature 10-11)

Fourteen words, or 2 x 7, begin with the letter meaning and, which is combined twice
with other prefixes. The numeric value of the prefixes in these 14 words, or 2 x 7, is 119, or 17 x 7; of which (the letter for and) has 84, or 12 x 7, and the other prefixes have 35, or 5 x 7. (feature 12- 14)

The presence of these fourteen features of sevens here is either accidental or designed. If accidental the chance for it is only one in seven multiplied by itself 14 times, or one in 678,233, 072, 849. The presence of these features of sevens in there for designed.

Wake up and smell the coffee folks, you dont have a leg to stand on. I can provide evidence all day everyday that God wrote the bible supernaturally through men.



Interesting. For somebody who seems to be against anything occult you are posting what essentially kabbalistic (occult, as Qbl means mouth to ear and implies a secret oral tradition) information, using gemetria to deduce symbolism in the bible. In principle I agree that using kabbalistic methods for the Hewbrew original is workable.

[synergy777]

You say that "god" can't be angry and wrathful because they're human emotions, yet you still anthropomorphize him with other human attributes.

Pantheism is the only viable concept that makes sense. The man floating in the sky is not plausible, nor is a dead, mechanical Universe plausible.

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what i am saying is that thse traits are lower/stupid/negative traits.

as people we know that anger, hate, envy, etc are destructive/negative traits.

traits that we endeavour to overcome, by experience/understanding/wisdom and thus control/mastery.

we aim to transcend these negative traits, and utilise our positive traits eg compassion, wisdom, courage, love, intelligence etc.

we know that by gnosis/enlightenment, we aim to become compassionate

thus as god is already enlightend etc, then he/she cannot have these traits, as he/she knows that love/compassion is the way.

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christ is a title, like buddha, guru, prophet, etc

thus yeshua/jesus was his name, he was enlightend/gnosis/fully operational.

he tried to teach us the truth.

he got killed by the elite, for trying to tell us the people, the truth.

[miracles]

Interesting. For somebody who seems to be against anything occult you are posting what essentially kabbalistic (occult, as Qbl means mouth to ear and implies a secret oral tradition) information, using gemetria to deduce symbolism in the bible. In principle I agree that using kabbalistic methods for the Hewbrew original is workable.

Sorry there is nothing occultic or numerology about this.

The hebrew don't have numbers only letters. Yes numbers have numeric value. Call it letterology if your want. Neither is it hidden. It's not kabbalistic either so ram it Janet.

[miracles]

Miracles, I don't care if the Bible was proven 100% true, .

Which basically renders everything else you said as a big waste of space. Thank you and good night.

[fallensoul]

I don't know what to say to this, the bible might be more than just a book, still it won't win me over because I do not agree with it. I bet some kind of advanced computers could generate text with similiar "miracles" in it. So I will not trust that it can be only done by god as you say my friend.

[miracles]

I would hazzard a guess and say it's in the way you tell it. You're rather bloody angry and the God you speak of is far too scary and nasty. Fear thy God? That's not love.

Perhaps more people would have bothered with this thread but for the tone in the heading. If you sneer when you speak you will be ignored, so get use to it.:)

Im not angry at all. And the wrath of God is something to fear. Get used to it.

[miracles]

I don't know what to say to this, the bible might be more than just a book, still it won't win me over because I do not agree with it. I bet some kind of advanced computers could generate text with similiar "miracles" in it. So I will not trust that it can be only done by god as you say my friend.

Well basically you just said you will ignore the evidence. So my friend. Where does that leave you?

[miracles]

miracles is a good guy, he just has fire/strength, and thus dives into battle. it is a good trait, he just needs to chill a bit more.

i think people tend to attack religion, because it easy to. what they must do, is seperate religion from religous polictics/propaganda.

they must test them by their fruits. even jesus said watch out for religous corruption, religous elite etc.

thus what many people must see is that their anti religon stance was what jesus stood for, he came to expose and correct the religous corruption. eg woe to those who call evil good, and good evil, woe to pharisees/priest and scribes, the synagogue of satan etc.

after all its was the priesthood, that conspired to murder jesus anyway, thus the anti-religous people need to actiually read whole texts, and use context. not just jump on the anti religous, juvenile, we are anti-system bandwagon.

if god is god, then he/she is one, he/she is all wise, compassionate, merciful, good, loving, caring, supportive, etc.

he/she can have no negative traits, as negative traits are lower traits, unevolved, unwise, evil traits, thus god cannot have them, as if god had these traits, then he/she can't be god.

if he/she had these traits, then he/she is a fraud, a deciever, a wannabe god, and we all know who this wannabe god is, the elite worship him.

thus the elite make the real one god, to be evil, wrathful, etc, in order to control us by fear/guilt etc, and to also distance us from the truth/real god.

its propaganda.

Well thanks bro, but you cant chill and be on fire at the same time, know what I'm sayin. :D Im trying to light a fire under peoples asses and get them to wake up. This is not tiddly winks. I actually believe this stuff and care about peoples eternal destiny and yet people think all I talk about is hell, Im all about salvation man. And the good news. You cant accept the good news until you know the bad. You cant be found until you know your lost. People dont realise the consequences of sin, and they spit on Christ. Im never going to chill on this topic. And I dont care if everyone hates my guts. Im telling the truth and thats it.

[agneau]

Still posting the same old nonsense, dear boy? Well in that case I think I'll repost my reply to your first attempt at this silly flim-flam of a proof which is I'm afraid, nothing of the sort. Basic stats will show you that if you look hard enough, you can find this sort of pattern occurring to one extent or another virtually anywhere. If it were consistent, then perhaps that would be remarkable. Christian sources themselves deny that Panin's theories are proof of anything.

And his 'proofs' that these patterns could not have been made by man is utter nonsense and contains fundamentally flawed statistical rationale.

Furthermore, this should really be self-evident, because it is intuitively obvious that if a pattern can be divined it can be devised.

Here's a bit of sense from some of your fellow Christians (ie not an anti-religious web-site, nor even an anti-Christian web-site, not even an anti-bible website...... but a real live, on-your-side, dear Miracles, pro-Christ, God and the bible hallelujah type of website:

http://www.bibletopics.com/BIBLESTUDY/83.htm

[miracles]

Its not a chrisitian website dear boy. And further more a website does not REFUTE the EVIDENCE. There for all to see and gaze in wonder at.

Now pull the rugg back over your head and go back to sleep.

[agneau]

Well now, it's hardly an Atheist's website now is it? I can find lots of anti-religion web-sites that have the same refutation of your so-called evidence, but I wanted to quote one that was patently not biassed against Christianity, so that you could not accuse me of not researching throroughly and without favour.

And what's this about a website does not REFUTE the EVIDENCE

er..yes it does. In fact that's what it specifically does. Maybe you meant to say that a web-site cannot prove that your (or rather Panin's) fanciful number games are not correct. But I think they do.

And getting nasty on a personal level is not evidence of your 'fire' - it is plain rude and childish. By all means pour hate and bile on any theories or contr-arguments that I might put forward, but try and act ciivilised for the rest, eh?

[tannah]

Well thanks bro, but you cant chill and be on fire at the same time, know what I'm sayin. :D Im trying to light a fire under peoples asses and get them to wake up. This is not tiddly winks. I actually believe this stuff and care about peoples eternal destiny and yet people think all I talk about is hell, Im all about salvation man. And the good news. You cant accept the good news until you know the bad. You cant be found until you know your lost. People dont realise the consequences of sin, and they spit on Christ. Im never going to chill on this topic. And I dont care if everyone hates my guts. Im telling the truth and thats it.

Dream on sad man.

The thing is many of us have shared our views, but as is often the case, religious people won't accept them as valid at all, due to them not matching up with their particualr book.

I like debate, I see right through the whining "you're attacking us, sob sob, leave us alone". It's childish, and it's because the illusions of certain religious bleifs have done most of the harm in this world, that people now are awake enough to challenge it with good reason on their side.

And "religion" isn't winning the debate. Get used to it.

[miracles]

Well now, it's hardly an Atheist's website now is it? I can find lots of anti-religion web-sites that have the same refutation of your so-called evidence, but I wanted to quote one that was patently not biassed against Christianity, so that you could not accuse me of not researching throroughly and without favour.

And what's this about

er..yes it does. In fact that's what it specifically does. Maybe you meant to say that a web-site cannot prove that your (or rather Panin's) fanciful number games are not correct. But I think they do.

And getting nasty on a personal level is not evidence of your 'fire' - it is plain rude and childish. By all means pour hate and bile on any theories or contr-arguments that I might put forward, but try and act ciivilised for the rest, eh?

Look Im not getting nasty you people need to harden up a bit.

Right then get your evidence of the freaken website and post it, becuase I didnt see any in there. Right stump up with the evidence that refutes the OP, now or I will show you nasty.:mad: And bloody well hurry up you infant. FOR THE REST OF US!!! I HAD THE COURTESY AND TOOK THE TIME TO TYPE THE OP OUT - SO DO SOME WORK

[agneau]

Right then get your evidence of the freaken website and post it, becuase I didnt see any in there. Right stump up with the evidence that refutes the OP, now or I will show you nasty. And bloody well hurry up you infant. FOR THE REST OF US!!! I HAD THE COIURTESY TO TYPE THE OP OUT< SO DO SOME WORK

er..nah - don't think I'll bother. You're a funny sad little loser, and your fellow beleivers must be VERY proud of you.

It's been fun, but again it's Friday and real life calls so I must off. Have a nice week-end everyone;try and spend some of it in this world.

[fallensoul]

Well basically you just said you will ignore the evidence. So my friend. Where does that leave you?

I am pretty sure that I see that there might be something to this but it is no proof that god did it. As said if it can be divised it can be devised, or something. And there could be many other things that could do such a thing, god cannot be the only answer, man, alien, anything, but not only the Christian god. Theres no proof of that.

[miracles]

er..nah - don't think I'll bother. You're a funny sad little loser, and your fellow beleivers must be VERY proud of you.

It's been fun, but again it's Friday and real life calls so I must off. Have a nice week-end everyone;try and spend some of it in this world.

Exactly. Silence. Nothing, nada, zero. Get some facts next time loser. :D HA

[marpat]

Sorry there is nothing occultic or numerology about this.

The hebrew don't have numbers only letters. Yes numbers have numeric value. Call it letterology if your want. Neither is it hidden. It's not kabbalistic either so ram it Janet.

I think you will find there is. Quoting numbers than giving them meaning is what you did, which is gematria. Re-read your first post if you are unsure.

[marpat]

Exactly. Silence. Nothing, nada, zero. Get some facts next time loser. :D HA

a christian who judges? judge not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[miracles]

I am pretty sure that I see that there might be something to this but it is no proof that god did it. As said if it can be divised it can be devised, or something. And there could be many other things that could do such a thing, god cannot be the only answer, man, alien, anything, but not only the Christian god. Theres no proof of that.

Well thats a good start Fallen, thanks for having the balls to be honest. Good on ya mate. :) Im well impressed.

[miracles]

a christian who judges? judge not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marpat give me a break, whats your bief man, come on whats the issue??

[miracles]

I think you will find there is. Quoting numbers than giving them meaning is what you did, which is gematria. Re-read your first post if you are unsure.

I didnt put the numeric patterns there and neither did the man who realised they wher there. No man could have done this could, it's poof of a supernatural input, prove otherwise if you can.

But dont be silly with your arguements.

Christian will judge the whole world with Christ. We are to excercise sound judgment at all times. And Im not the perfect specimen of humainity sorry to dissapoint, and if somone has a go at me Im gonna have go back, you don't like it, tough luck. Dont insult me and I wont insult you. SIMPLE.

[marpat]

Marpat give me a break, whats your bief man, come on whats the issue??

I just find it odd that somebody who claims to be a christian is going into a forum and antagonising people when their own religion tells then not to judge others, not to be proud, or scornful, yet you exhibit these characterisitics.

[marpat]

I didnt put the numeric patterns there and neither did the man who realised they wher there. No man could have done this could, it's poof of a supernatural input, prove otherwise if you can.

But dont be silly with your arguements.

I agree that the bible, in its Hebrew form, conceals mysteries coded by numbers. You yourself seemed to agree with this concept in your original post, then you say its nothing to do with numerology. The bible is full of examples. If this were not so then why would the beast have the number 666? why would christ (the sun) have 12 disciples (signs of the zodiac).

So are you saying there is numerical symbolism or not?

[marpat]

I didnt put the numeric patterns there and neither did the man who realised they wher there. No man could have done this could, it's poof of a supernatural input, prove otherwise if you can.

But dont be silly with your arguements.

Christian will judge the whole world with Christ. We are to excercise sound judgment at all times. And Im not the perfect specimen of humainity sorry to dissapoint, and if somone has a go at me Im gonna have go back, you don't like it, tough luck. Dont insult me and I wont insult you. SIMPLE.

The bible doesn't say that. I am sure they would love this to be the case. I would shudder to think of somebody like you being the judge over others but I am sure that it is not going to happen.

'Be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect', the words of christ, yet you consdier this not to be a problem or something to live up to.

[miracles]

The bible doesn't say that. I am sure they would love this to be the case. I would shudder to think of somebody like you being the judge over others but I am sure that it is not going to happen.

'Be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect', the words of christ, yet you consdier this not to be a problem or something to live up to.

Sorry marpat, your quite wrong, the bible does say that. Dont worry, Ill be sweeping floors or something, Ill make it in by the skinn of my teeth.



1Cr 6:2 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Cr&c=6&v=1&t=KJV#comm/2) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
2Ti 2:12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Ti&c=2&v=1&t=KJV#comm/12) If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/copyChkboxOff.gifLuk 19:17 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=19&v=1&t=KJV#comm/17) And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.


http://answers.libertybaptistchurch.org.au/answers/53.pdf More on this link too. You're talking to some one who knows the bible. If thats spiritual proud arrogance, then tough luck aswell.

[marpat]

Sorry marpat, your quite wrong, the bible does say that. Dont worry, Ill be sweeping floors or something, Ill make it in by the skinn of my teeth.

In the bible christ is the real authority, not any of the apostles. So does christ claim anywhere that his followers will judge people? please show me where that it.

Dont you mean you hope you will get in?

[miracles]

In the bible christ is the real authority, not any of the apostles. So does christ claim anywhere that his followers will judge people? please show me where that it.

Dont you mean you hope you will get in?

Read previous post. I know I am saved. The bible also says we can know we have salvation. Its not a guessing came

[miracles]

I agree that the bible, in its Hebrew form, conceals mysteries coded by numbers. You yourself seemed to agree with this concept in your original post, then you say its nothing to do with numerology. The bible is full of examples. If this were not so then why would the beast have the number 666? why would christ (the sun) have 12 disciples (signs of the zodiac).

So are you saying there is numerical symbolism or not?

666 is not symbolism, it is the number if a man. Its in every thing we buy and sell already in the bar code. The 12 deciples are not the 12 signs of the zodiac, the 12 deciples are the 12 deciples.

The OP is different from this. Hebrew letters have a numeric value, each hebrew letter adds up to a number so all the words in the bible have a numeical equivalent and all these numbers are in patterens of mutiples of 7, 13 and 19, it's a mathmatical pattern not a hidden code, its like the same pattern that is in the universe and through all of life, Gods finger print if you will. NO MAN COULD HAVE PUT THIS PATTERN THERE, do you accept that fact or not. You seem to be beating around the bush. The same pattern is there in the greek, Greek also does not have numbers, only letters with a number value. Funny How God picked these two languages isnt it. Why? so that he could prove He wrote it because of the numerical phenomena that no man could have conceived or produced. People really and truely have to be in compelte and utter denial and blindeness if they ignore this.

[marpat]

666 is not symbolism, it is the number if a man. Its in every thing we buy and sell already in the bar code. The 12 deciples are not the 12 signs of the zodiac, the 12 deciples are the 12 deciples.

The OP is different from this. Hebrew letters have a numeric value, each hebrew letter adds up to a number so all the words in the bible have a numeical equivalent and all these numbers are in patterens of mutiples of 7, 13 and 19, it's a mathmatical pattern not a hidden code, its like the same pattern that is in the universe and through all of life, Gods finger print if you will. NO MAN COULD HAVE PUT THIS PATTERN THERE, do you accept that fact or not. You seem to be beating around the bush. The same pattern is there in the greek, Greek also does not have numbers, only letters with a number value. Funny How God picked these two languages isnt it. Why? so that he could prove He wrote it because of the numerical phenomena that no man could have conceived or produced. People really and truely have to be in compelte and utter denial and blindeness if they ignore this.


So 666 is not a code but it is a bar code? I am sure the vision on Patmos was trying to give people a warning about bar codes :D

I have no problem with accepting the Hebrew letters are also numeric, which is why Gematria exist. Are you saying there is not esoteric aspect to the bible?

[marpat]

Read previous post. I know I am saved. The bible also says we can know we have salvation. Its not a guessing came

That is what it says but what about the fact that it has been changed over 40 times. Can you trust the written word? I wouldnt

[rhydra]

Actually if you take all the letters in the bible and arrange a few of them as thus, you get the phrase "the Bible was written by God, any denial will be a blasphemy and the pits of hell await!"

Further proof is that if you put 7734 into a calculator and turn it upside down it spells "hell" be afraid, be very afraid!

So there. :p

[saicosis]

I didn't read any of this. I read the title, entered the thread, saw quotes from the bible and knew it was made of fail. I'm sorry, but if you want to 'prove' the bible is designed/written by a god you can't use the bible itself.

Sorry but the bible is manmade and not of divine origin.

[miracles]

I didn't read any of this. I read the title, entered the thread, saw quotes from the bible and knew it was made of fail. I'm sorry, but if you want to 'prove' the bible is designed/written by a god you can't use the bible itself.

Sorry but the bible is manmade and not of divine origin.

If you dodnt read the OP, then you arent entitled to comment. Sorry.:mad:

[miracles]

Actually if you take all the letters in the bible and arrange a few of them as thus, you get the phrase "the Bible was written by God, any denial will be a blasphemy and the pits of hell await!"

Further proof is that if you put 7734 into a calculator and turn it upside down it spells "hell" be afraid, be very afraid!

So there. :p

:rolleyes:

[miracles]

That is what it says but what about the fact that it has been changed over 40 times. Can you trust the written word? I wouldnt

The usual cop out. I give up. Moving on.....:rolleyes:

[saicosis]

If you dodnt read the OP, then you arent entitled to comment. Sorry.:mad:

Sorry you don't have any good response to what I said. It makes perfect sense. Using the bible to try and prove that the bible is true is no different than if I were to say I have a friend from another planet and it's true because I said it's true.

The bible is true because it says so? You'll have to do better than that.

There is a higher power, but you won't find it in a book.

[marpat]

The usual cop out. I give up. Moving on.....:rolleyes:

Dont like being faced with the facts.

[deadskinball]

edit: ah fuck it.

What is the damn point of trying to make someone see through the stupidity that it is when it will only feel like I'm bashing my head against a brick wall.

TL: DR: look at my avatar pic.

[major seven]

Miracles
Sorry marpat, your quite wrong, the bible does say that. Dont worry, Ill be sweeping floors or something, Ill make it in by the skinn of my teeth.


M7
LOL!!! :D
Right! There will be MANY floors in those "Many Mansions".
I hope there ain't any plumbing in those mansions cuz I suspect I'll get put in charge of that. LOL!
I hate plumbing! Never have the right part when you need it and another trip to the hardware store.
I'll trade you sweeping floors if you do the plumbing. :D

Say Miracles
Has anybody remeasured Mount Moria or Golgotha lately from 777 meters above sea level?
Even if its a few centimeters off, it could be due to errosion from a zillion odd people tramping around up there.

:D

[biblegirl]

imo the Bible was written by supernatural means, which is why we can find codes like this inside....i wouldn't say that this proves the whole thing was penned by God himself, but what I know of the Bible certainly seems to point to extraterrestrial involvement

it seems to be written by men with supernatural tendencies: encounters with ETs account for much of the prophecy and dimensional knowledge, and these ETs or angels did not claim to be God, but his messengers

[major seven]

edit: ah fuck it.

What is the damn point of trying to make someone see through the stupidity that it is when it will only feel like I'm bashing my head against a brick wall.

TL: DR: look at my avatar pic.


Hey Dead Guy!
Say, you are a science guy, right?
What would you say the odds are of our even being here on planet earth?

I suppose part of the calculations would have to include the odds of Earth just happening to get itself located in just the right spot in the galaxy with the right size sun and the right distance and just the right tilt angle with just the right diameter and speed of spin not to mention the right amount of electro magnetic field to fend off the solar wind so that it don't strip the atmosphere from the surface.

You must be familiar with the "fine tuning" arguments put forth by the Astro Guys. I think they are up to around 60 or so last count.
I think even the current age of the universe comes into play in order for enough stars to super nova and release the nessessary elements that make up carbon based life forms.

Do you suppose we are all just an accident?
What are the odds of that accident happening in our favor?
Just an offhand guess on my part cuz I have no idea where to even begin, but I'd say somewheres in the neighborhood of IMPOSSIBLE?
But surely it can't be Impossible since here we all are banging away on little plastic keys and floating our thoughts all around the planet.

What do you think?
All just one big major catastrophic accident?
And why here and NOW?
I reckon even Plato and company were working on those questions too and still no answers?
Bummer That! Hate when that happens!

M7

PS. What the hell were you thinking coming up with that handle of yours anyway? :)
You must relize that its a tad hard on us guys to even contemplate.
Can I just call you BILL or GEORGE or Anything but Deadskinballs. LOL!

[deadskinball]

I'd say somewheres in the neighborhood of IMPOSSIBLE?

Well, if its somewhere in the neightbourhood of impossible, then it cannot be impossible but a very small chance? Lets say, one billion billion to one?

The thing is, it not that you have to go through one billion billion chances before you get the right one for it may be the third try, or even the millionth try that it happens.

And plus, until you prove that there is some evidence of a deity's intervention, please do not entertain the idea that "god did it", for those that do so, have yet to prove a god actually exists before they can say a god did it.

or rather, UNTIL it is an established scientific theory that god does in fact exist, please don't attribute anything to it.

---

But i hear you say that you didn't even mention anything about a diety.

Well, its pretty simple. There are those which give the possiblity that are things unknown to us and are content to be just so until such time as these things become known, and there are those which want and demand an answer right away. Its those very same people who typically look to outlandish 'answers' to satisfy there need to know becasue science cannot answer such question at the current time.

You post is similar to those which want and demand an answer and will not take "we don't know" as an answer. Just becasue we don't know doesn't mean an alternative is more correct. Its simply: we don't know.

---

Do you think we are special, or something becasue we are here?

Maybe you would like to consider that there are trillions and trillions of stars in the known universe, to have life appear at one star is no big deal.

To say that it is "a big deal" means that you are speaking from incredulousness that life appeared here and cannot (or do not want to) acknowledge that there maybe are millions upon millions (my guess) of other stars with life around them.

[tannah]

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Do you think we are special, or something becasue we are here?

Maybe you would like to consider that there are trillions and trillions of stars in the known universe, to have life appear at one star is no big deal.

To say that it is "a big deal" means that you are speaking from incredulousness that life appeared here and cannot (or do not want to) acknowledge that there maybe are millions upon millions (my guess) of other stars with life around them.

Life is everywhere. Brought to you by some amazingly strict universal laws all acting in pretty slick accord. That in itself makes it a big deal for this particular universe. Did the laws emerge at first attempt? Two million universes later? Why was it all here in the first place?

Even though there is probably millions of planets with lifeforms developing, let's not get complacent about this humble little planet, and let's treat it as an absolute gem, as if it was the one and only. Support the wildlife and oppose the depletion of its forests and minerals.

Amit Goswami makes a very important observation regarding quantum mechanics and consciousness. Only objects can be defined mathematically within QM. The observer/subject cannot be defined and exists outside of the measurement. Possibilites are made reality through the wave function collapsing upon observation. Nothing in life is that definate, but I'm pretty suspicious of the fact that actually there is an all pervading consciousness within the universe. The act of bringing life seems almost an intent from the start.

I've read enough the last few years to be of the opinion that mainstream science is hanging on to a paradigm that is slowly being torn from under its feet. Having visited various science forums, it's become a little clearer what is going on in the mainstream science world. It isn't really the science that is being obstinate about some of the cutting edge physics and its conclusions, it's the atheist scientists who don't like what is beginning to happen. Science is beginning to find the Creator.

RealityMan mentions one leading thinker in QM, and there are others like Gregg Braden who are showing through science how consciousness is the ground of being for the universe. Exciting times ahead for those who held back on an ISM or IST.

[revolutionary_jam]

Yeah I suppose your right dude, it really beats the living daylights out of me why people ignore this stuff. Even I can't fathom it and Im really really intelligent. :cool:
because your hypothesis is poorly supported.
Even if we did assume that this was written:supernaturally through men.That is a far cry from proving that it was God who wrote it.
It could be a powerful angel, demon, spirit, or any king of entity smart or powerful enough.

Remember Descartes Evil Demon hypothesis?
I think you should gain some critical thinking skills, you've far from proven God wrote the bible

[major seven]

Bill or George
Well, if its somewhere in the neightbourhood of impossible, then it cannot be impossible but a very small chance? Lets say, one billion billion to one?

The thing is, it not that you have to go through one billion billion chances before you get the right one for it may be the third try, or even the millionth try that it happens.


M7
Interesting observation B.G., but still at a billion billion to one chances, I think you are still in the realm of real close to "impossible" that you might actually score a hit on the third or even the millionth try.
Anything is possible I suppose, but I'm going to have to say at least highly highly unlikely.
Pretty much the same odds I had in high school of taking the best looking cheerleader to the prom after getting her to dump her hunk ass quarterback boyfriend for me. :)


Bill or George
And plus, until you prove that there is some evidence of a deity's intervention, please do not entertain the idea that "god did it", for those that do so, have yet to prove a god actually exists before they can say a god did it.
or rather, UNTIL it is an established scientific theory that god does in fact exist, please don't attribute anything to it.


M7
Right! Proof to us science freaks is everything, ain't it.
But just because you can't actually "Prove" God exists, you can't actually say at the same time that he does NOT exist.
I believe that falls within the realm of a logical fallacy in the "Argument from Ignorance category.

"A person regards the lack of evidence for one view as constituting proof that another view is true."

In this case, the lack of evidence for God is proof that there is no God.


Bill or George
But i hear you say that you didn't even mention anything about a diety.

Well, its pretty simple. There are those which give the possiblity that are things unknown to us and are content to be just so until such time as these things become known, and there are those which want and demand an answer right away. Its those very same people who typically look to outlandish 'answers' to satisfy there need to know becasue science cannot answer such question at the current time.

You post is similar to those which want and demand an answer and will not take "we don't know" as an answer. Just becasue we don't know doesn't mean an alternative is more correct. Its simply: we don't know.


M7
Right B.G., but are you truly just saying that "You Don't Know"?
That should make you more of an Agnostic than a card carrying Athiest, Right?
Without actual proof, you too cannot say for sure that God does not exist.
You may use logic from your own point of view, considering the moralistic and fucked up nature of man, as proof to yourself that there is no God, but your "proof" isn't going to wash for the more spiritually inclined.


Bill or George
Do you think we are special, or something becasue we are here?


M7
Well, If we ain't special, then we sure as hell pretty fucking LUCKY, aren't we.
We beat those billion billion to one odds, Eh What?
Might beg the question though;
Why did we beat such near impossible odds?
Was there a purpose for our being outside of a mere accident of time and space?
The answers at this time of course are, "I Don't Fucking Know"
The more spiritually inclined might take a look inside themselves for an answer and come up with something that suits them personally.
Its interesting how we all have different strengths and weaknesses and without the help of other peoples talents in all sorts of areas, we wouldn't now be banging on a keyboard.
If it was left to me, we might still be in Dark Ages. :)
I'd be trying to invent a lighter weight lance that didn't disintegrate on impact during a josting tournament and never mind a freakin computer chip.

Now don't laugh, but I suspect the idea of the computer chip did exist as far back as Lucy and beyond.
We only just now had the capacity to merely discover it. Of course we first had to discover a whole lot of other crap first though, Right?
I view God as the pool of ALL Knowledge that we on occasion are allowed to tap into as the right minds like Newton, Edison, Bill Gates, et al come along.
Theres tons of cool stuff yet to be discovered.
The fact that there MUST be this vast pool of knowledge where ALL of our present knowledge and future knowledge implies to ME that there is something more than merely NOTHING.


Bill or George
Maybe you would like to consider that there are trillions and trillions of stars in the known universe, to have life appear at one star is no big deal.


M7
Well, it starts to become a big deal when so many little things have to be in place for the one BIG THING to happen, in other words, LIFE!
And from our view point at present looking into the depths of space, it certainly don't look to be a common ocurrance.


Bill or George
To say that it is "a big deal" means that you are speaking from incredulousness that life appeared here and cannot (or do not want to) acknowledge that there maybe are millions upon millions (my guess) of other stars with life around them.


M7
Actually, I have always entertained the view that there is the possiblity of other life elsewhere.
But even if we finally achieved light speed or better yet Warp Drive :), we ain't never going to know.
Those Out Of Towners that have a few million or so years in advance of us are going to have to drop in and say HOWDY YA'LL, first I reckonn.
And maybe they have and are softening up the shock with all them cool crop designs and whatnot.


Gotta Go
Later
M7

[miracles]

because your hypothesis is poorly supported.
Even if we did assume that this was written:That is a far cry from proving that it was God who wrote it.
It could be a powerful angel, demon, spirit, or any king of entity smart or powerful enough.

Remember Descartes Evil Demon hypothesis?
I think you should gain some critical thinking skills, you've far from proven God wrote the bible

Its not a hyposthesis, I have displayed the facts. I think you need to look up what hypothesis means and what evidential facts mean. I said a supernatural being, I call that God, you can call it whatever you like.

[michael christopher]

But miracles, if the Bible was designed by God, then I think I'd like to just go to hell right now and get it over with.

You admit that you know God is a baby-killer and that it is righteous because he is merely wiping out evil nations. You know that the Bible was put together by the Council of Nicea in 425 AD, which was headed by the pagan Emperor Constantine who did not convert to Christianity until the day he died. You know most of the people in those conferences, being religious Romans, were poor and stupid. Well, maybe you didn't know that. But they were. They couldn't read. They didn't even know what these books said. Many of them could have easily been paid off. There is a story that they put 39 gospels in a "locked" room overnight and came back the next day, the four that were on top were Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They just went on the honor system that no one came in the room during the night using the key and put those books there. It's certainly believable considering how random some of these assignments are, regardless of the wizardry of Ivan Panin.

It's clear that you are just filled with hate and bile, and fear and insecurity. You have only come here to attack non-Christians. Let's get real. This is the David Icke forum and nothing that you say rings with anything he says. You have just come here to badger those who were attracted by David Icke's ideas. You think you're on a mission. You keep trying to scare people into being afraid of your silly hell again, you call names, and yet you get so puffed up about being called a name. You are one of the biggest hypocrites of all time. Christianity couldn't have a worse spokesman. I don't think they would let you on television or anywhere near a large crowd of people, because they know hatred would not sell. If you want to be one of the small band of people on the earth actually in heaven, because you know everyone else is going to go to hell, why don't you go start a fundamentalist cult? You clearly believe everything in the Bible is moral. I would say your beliefs are way out of line with everyone else's. I don't know why people on this forum defend you, because all you have ever done is attack and spread putrid bile all over every thread you decided to enter.

Your God is Satan itself. The perverted Bible is his echoing laugh into eternity from thousands of years ago.

[miracles]

But miracles, if the Bible was designed by God, then I think I'd like to just go to hell right now and get it over with.

You admit that you know God is a baby-killer and that it is righteous because he is merely wiping out evil nations. You know that the Bible was put together by the Council of Nicea in 425 AD, which was headed by the pagan Emperor Constantine who did not convert to Christianity until the day he died. You know most of the people in those conferences, being religious Romans, were poor and stupid. Well, maybe you didn't know that. But they were. They couldn't read. They didn't even know what these books said. Many of them could have easily been paid off. There is a story that they put 39 gospels in a "locked" room overnight and came back the next day, the four that were on top were Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They just went on the honor system that no one came in the room during the night using the key and put those books there. It's certainly believable considering how random some of these assignments are, regardless of the wizardry of Ivan Panin.

It's clear that you are just filled with hate and bile, and fear and insecurity. You have only come here to attack non-Christians. Let's get real. This is the David Icke forum and nothing that you say rings with anything he says. You have just come here to badger those who were attracted by David Icke's ideas. You think you're on a mission. You keep trying to scare people into being afraid of your silly hell again, you call names, and yet you get so puffed up about being called a name. You are one of the biggest hypocrites of all time. Christianity couldn't have a worse spokesman. I don't think they would let you on television or anywhere near a large crowd of people, because they know hatred would not sell. If you want to be one of the small band of people on the earth actually in heaven, because you know everyone else is going to go to hell, why don't you go start a fundamentalist cult? You clearly believe everything in the Bible is moral. I would say your beliefs are way out of line with everyone else's. I don't know why people on this forum defend you, because all you have ever done is attack and spread putrid bile all over every thread you decided to enter.

Your God is Satan itself. The perverted Bible is his echoing laugh into eternity from thousands of years ago.

Your already in hell. No, the bible was not put together by the Council of Nicea, that was Catholisism. And if anyone says one more time "this is a david Icke forum", Im not sure if I will be responsible for my actions. Icke has removed God and the bible and given biblical truth scientific jargon, that's all he has done, he is just another plaguriser of the bible and cult movement leader.

Wide is the gate that leads to destruction, narrow is the path to life, few are they who find it. Some people say "stop picking on miracles", I dont think they are defending me or even agreeing with me though. Perhaps they can see that nastyness that is chucked in my face. You have to admitt people say some pretty nasty stuff to me, sometimes I return the favour, Im only human, Im not a god like you guys.

[miracles]

Dont like being faced with the facts.


AHH no its you who are ignoring the facts.

Everyone trotts out that old arguement that the bible has been tampered with, but God promised to preserve His word, He has done just that. You have seen the work of Ivan Panin with the astonisihing numeric patterns of the mutiples of 7, 13 and 19 through out the whole 66 books of the bible, if one word (no one letter) is changed these patterns dissapear so the original Greek and Hebrew has 100% been preserved as God intended

[deadskinball]

Right! Proof to us science freaks is everything, ain't it. But just because you can't actually "Prove" God exists, you can't actually say at the same time that he does NOT exist.

Oh good. Someone has finally got some proof about this deity or someone!

...er? What's that?

You don't have any proof yet you expect me to acknowledge a (your? ) deity?


Ah no prize, logic doesn't work that way.

Even so, the god-did-it crowd have had 2000+ years to make it so, yet nothing... not even a peep.

---

Agnostic

Ha! There is no such thing.

I'm as close as 100% atheist as possibly can be. For all intents and purposes it may as well be 100%. It is technically correct to say that averyone is either atheist-agnostic or theist-agnostic.

Now, cancel out the redundant word and what are you left with?

Atheist or Theist.

-

Why am I not giving creedance to an unknown?

The track record of any religion with claims of supernaturalism, universally has zero evidence to back it up. If there was such an episode of repeatable and testability of a supernaturalism, then it would be a globally known thing.

Once you look at any claim from a logical or realistic standpoint, whatever claim(s) from whatever religion(s) fail miserably. My favourite idiotic-episodes are those weeping 'virgin' mary statues. So many people want to believe that its a miracle, their own application of logic and critical thinking goes completely out the window.

So, the track record of what religion claims as true and what actually is?

Not good. VERY no good.

[reality man]

Just popped in to say that the bible is a piece of shit which has been used by hypocritical oppressors since the dawn of time to spread thier religious madness and hatred of everybody who does not believe as they do!

[miracles]

Just popped in to say that the bible is a piece of shit which has been used by hypocritical oppressors since the dawn of time to spread thier religious madness and hatred of everybody who does not believe as they do!

And so are you. Now pop off out again. Laters.

[bealert]

I am pretty sure that I see that there might be something to this but it is no proof that god did it. As said if it can be divised it can be devised, or something. And there could be many other things that could do such a thing, god cannot be the only answer, man, alien, anything, but not only the Christian god. Theres no proof of that.
Miracles says he is a man of god yet hes words do more to put people off religion than anyone else i know...maybe he really works for the devil

[miracles]

Miracles says he is a man of god yet hes words do more to put people off religion than anyone else i know...maybe he really works for the devil

Where have I heard that before?

I think you had that avatar before you met me huh?

[bealert]

Where have I heard that before?

I think you had that avatar before you met me huh?
you mean you have been told this before....they cant all be wrong
Maybe you should try a less aggressive approach ..one which uses the bible to teach instead of abusing

[miracles]

you mean you have been told this before....they cant all be wrong
Maybe you should try a less aggressive approach ..one which uses the bible to teach instead of abusing

I abuse abusers, its all they deserve. You can always put me on ignore if you dont like. The is thing is you all love it coz Im one of the few who makes any sense around here, plus Im extremely witty intellingent and very handsome.

And humble

[reality man]

Miracles says he is a man of god yet hes words do more to put people off religion than anyone else i know...maybe he really works for the devil

Here here - I second that, good post - talk about being blind, he actually thinks he's inspiring people , did you know that?

[bealert]

I abuse abusers, its all they deserve. You can always put me on ignore if you dont like. The is thing is you all love it coz Im one of the few who makes any sense around here, plus Im extremely witty intellingent and very handsome.

And humble
if a man goes to the doctors because he is unwell he is diagnosed without aggression.
If there was a god he would not want you to abuse non followers but convince them of there ignorance in a way which promotes love and forgiveness. Those that promote or escalate aggression only alienate non believers in turning them against god and the bible.
Love and understanding is the only forward not aggressive attitudes filled with hate which are designed to provoke. are you sure your going to heaven?

[miracles]

if a man goes to the doctors because he is unwell he is diagnosed without aggression.
If there was a god he would not want you to abuse non followers but convince them of there ignorance in a way which promotes love and forgiveness. Those that promote or escalate aggression only alienate non believers in turning against god and the bible.
Love and understanding is the only forward not aggressive attitudes filled with hate which are designed to provoke. are you sure your going to heaven?

Well they can go to a church and talk to a pastor then. I'm putting up with God haters in here, not genuine seekers of truth. And people like that would be arrested if they spoke to anyone like that in the street let alone a real minister, and a man of God would send people like that packing. People dont get be an asshole and expect to be treat with respect.

PS these people arent going to the doctor for help, they are throwing shit on the doctors door and screaming "I don't need a doctor because I am god".

[bealert]

Well they can to a church and talk to a pastor then. I'm putting up with God haters in here, not genuine seekers of truth. And people like that would be arrested if they spoke to anyone like that in the street let alone a real minister, and man of God would send people like that packing. You don't get be an asshole and have some one treat you with respect.
is this the reason no one gives you respect on this forum..love don't hate then maybe others will listen.
you are the one preaching about your beliefs but as soon as someone disagrees with you ..you get aggressive ..did Jesus get aggressive with those that wouldn't listen or did he try even harder using love and compassion? We are not all born preachers just as we are not all good at what we want in life. Reconsider your situation and learn to be forgiving and tolerant of those who doubt you. People are won over by love and words of encouragement only then can the non believers begin to understand what benefits the bible as for us...if any

[major seven]

Bill or George
Oh good. Someone has finally got some proof about this deity or someone!

...er? What's that?

You don't have any proof yet you expect me to acknowledge a (your? ) deity?


M7
Yo Bill
What The Fuck George!
Where did I say I had actual proof?
You ain't cherry picking my shit here, to say what I ain't sayin now are you?
Dang Bill, I didn't expect you to go all Dead Skin on me so soon.


Bill or George
Ah no prize, logic doesn't work that way.


M7
So if the logic doesn't work in your favor then it don't work that way?
I understand George.
Logical Fallacys Suck. Especially when you are operating under one of them.

"A person regards the lack of evidence for one view as constituting proof that another view is true."

IE; "A person regards the lack of evidence for the existence of God as constituting proof that another view is true such as proof that there is no God"


George
Even so, the god-did-it crowd have had 2000+ years to make it so, yet nothing... not even a peep.


M7
Right B.G.!
Silence can be deafening, Eh What?


Bill
Ha! There is no such thing. (as an agnostic)

I'm as close as 100% atheist as possibly can be. For all intents and purposes it may as well be 100%. It is technically correct to say that averyone is either atheist-agnostic or theist-agnostic.

Now, cancel out the redundant word and what are you left with?

Atheist or Theist.


M7
Interesting play on words Bill, but still comes down to,
Atheist = definetly NO there is NO God
Theist = definetly YES there is a God
Agnostic = I Don't Freakin Know


George
Why am I not giving creedance to an unknown?

The track record of any religion with claims of supernaturalism, universally has zero evidence to back it up. If there was such an episode of repeatable and testability of a supernaturalism, then it would be a globally known thing.

Once you look at any claim from a logical or realistic standpoint, whatever claim(s) from whatever religion(s) fail miserably. My favourite idiotic-episodes are those weeping 'virgin' mary statues. So many people want to believe that its a miracle, their own application of logic and critical thinking goes completely out the window.

So, the track record of what religion claims as true and what actually is?

Not good. VERY no good.


M7
Thats right George!
I agree! When you are looking for what ought to be the obvious, such as an angel showing up to impart some heavenly wisdom on you, and you don't see that happening, you naturally say,
"Fuck This! There ain't nothing out there except the wind in the trees."
So you have to go beyond the obvious.

As I mentioned earlier, It is the immense amount of tapped and untapped knowledge that has gotten us to this point in time that IMPLIES, (note I did not say PROOF), to ME, that makes me suspect something far greater than anything else in the known and unknown universe.

I was a bit rushed for time before, so may not have been very clear on what I mean't.

Lets take "Scientific Discovery" for example. Now who doesn't love a new Scientific Discovery?
Note if you will, Science merely "Discovered" it, whatever it may be, Right?
In other words, Science did NOT Create it.
The IDEA of the "Discovery" was already existing from I suspect, the very beginning of everything else.
Know what I mean?

I said I view God as the WHOLE of knowledge and conciousness in general.
We at this point in time haven't even scratched the surface of this pool of knowledge that is just waiting for the right minds to come along and tap into as guys like Newton, Einstein, Edison, Gates etc, etc, have done.

The idea might start out as something quite basic like the first telephone say, and evolve into what we have now. One idea building on another.
I said and believe, that the ideas that we have used up till now and the ideas that haven't been yet discovered all come from the same source.
We ain't creating anything on our own. The knowledge already exists. We just haven't discovered it yet.
We don't even create our own kids. We are merely replicating them.
Go out and discover something totally cool and life changing and they will throw money and prizes at you.
But didn't you really just merely "discover" it?
Wasn't it ALWAYS there just waiting for the right person and time to come along?

Another Example;
Did E=MC2 exist before the earth did or only when Einstein got around to thinking it through on his blackboard?
Right! Always there! Same with all the other Laws that create and destoy.
Where did they come from?
Nowhere? from Nothing?

M7

[bealert]

I abuse abusers, its all they deserve. You can always put me on ignore if you dont like. The is thing is you all love it coz Im one of the few who makes any sense around here, plus Im extremely witty intellingent and very handsome.

And humble
And a liar it seems

[michael christopher]

Your already in hell. No, the bible was not put together by the Council of Nicea, that was Catholisism. And if anyone says one more time "this is a david Icke forum", Im not sure if I will be responsible for my actions. Icke has removed God and the bible and given biblical truth scientific jargon, that's all he has done, he is just another plaguriser of the bible and cult movement leader.

You're right, I'm in hell and you are one of it's demon stewards. No arguing that. The Bible WAS PUT TOGETHER BY CATHOLICS. It did not exist previously to 425 AD, only thousands of scriptures from which a certain few were selected. These scriptures were "made ready for the public" after much corruption. If you really think the Bible existed previously, well... you need to go work for a politician or something. Because you just won't give an inch!

The Bible BTW is a plaigarism of Essene and Gnostic wisdom. You worship a bastard religion with a counterfeit God.

Wide is the gate that leads to destruction, narrow is the path to life, few are they who find it. Some people say "stop picking on miracles", I dont think they are defending me or even agreeing with me though. Perhaps they can see that nastyness that is chucked in my face. You have to admitt people say some pretty nasty stuff to me, sometimes I return the favour, Im only human, Im not a god like you guys.

Cult leader! You are the one claiming nastiness is chucked at you? I think you are one of the biggest jokes on this forum, your hypocrisy always makes me laugh. You don't "return" the favor, you instigate the fight.

[reality man]

The title of this thread is a laugh - the bible was not designed by "god" but by men who wished to control people any way they thought they could.

Moses for one example, had to go up the mountain ON HIS OWN to have a cup of tea with "god" - we couldn't have any observers now could we - well, observers might see that he was only meeting with a bush and not a god after all.

Men wrote the bible - men who pretended to have god talking through them, when they clearly had something else talking through them other than god!

[michael christopher]

The title of this thread is a laugh - the bible was not designed by "god" but by men who wished to control people any way they thought they could.

Moses for one example, had to go up the mountain ON HIS OWN to have a cup of tea with "god" - we couldn't have any observers now could we - well, observers might see that he was only meeting with a bush and not a god after all.

Men wrote the bible - men who pretended to have god talking through them, when they clearly had something else talking through them other than god!

I think it's funny how Christians, Muslims and Jews make fun of how Joseph Smith was channeled the book of Mormon when Moses did pretty much the exact same thing! Mohammed as well. Mormonism is just as valid as the other major cults. (which is to say, not valid at all)

[deadskinball]

"Wasn't it ALWAYS there just waiting for the right person and time to come along"

What?

You are really stretching your logic with that. By your rule of your general idea, you are claiming that a computer chip was always there, an automobile engine was always there, a <whatever>....

The human mind is the reason why these things are here and now. Not becasue the instructions were always there in everyones head and someone 'found' it.

Brainpower - learn to utilise it someday, M7.

-

"if the logic doesn't work in your favor then it don't work that way"

In my favour?

If you need to question an inate human ability to understand, then something is seriously wrong with your distinction when faced with a fanciful idea and something grounded in reality. I get the impression you think logic is something only a few people possess...which if that is the case, then it does not surprise one little bit that you hold in high regard such unsubstaniated ideas as god.

I'll put it this way: if it doesn't not make sense (the bible) then glaringly idiotic parts of the bible cannot be disregarded (or ignored) becasue of it. Its either 100% or 0%. You cannot cherrypick parts and expect to be taken seriously with poeple who rather apply a LARGE dose of commonsense instead of listening intently to garbage which does not make whole lot of sense.

Yes, I have read the bible and it made me an atheist.

Unfortunately, the bible is so full of idiotic things that anyone who claims its literal, or inspired, or word of god does not understand that due it is illogicalness, the bible cannot and should not be taken as anything more than a feel good book of fiction.

And again, unfortunately some people are so swayed by the bullshit within it that they will make thread such as these so titled.

---

"When you are looking for what ought to be the obvious, such as an angel showing up to impart some heavenly wisdom on you"

An angel ought to be obvious??

what the fuck?

whoa.... I though I was having a conversation with someone who wasn't totally brainwashed.

.

Ok then, I'll play your game. If your angel is totally obvious, then make it visit me right this very second that you read this. Once its established to me that your angel is real in all intents and purposes of me using my five senses, I'll return to thisthread to giveyou a reply.

Until then.

FLUSH!

[miracles]

is this the reason no one gives you respect on this forum..love don't hate then maybe others will listen.
you are the one preaching about your beliefs but as soon as someone disagrees with you ..you get aggressive ..did Jesus get aggressive with those that wouldn't listen or did he try even harder using love and compassion? We are not all born preachers just as we are not all good at what we want in life. Reconsider your situation and learn to be forgiving and tolerant of those who doubt you. People are won over by love and words of encouragement only then can the non believers begin to understand what benefits the bible as for us...if any

Im defending the evidence Im supplying for my beliefs, the evidence is mocked and insulted, with no evidence to refute it, I return the favour, there is no way the truth of the gospel will get respect in here, I would love it if it did, I dont care what people say to me, it's water of a ducks back, but thanks for the concern. Yeah right.

I dontthink Im agressive, butyes jesus was extremly agressive with the mockers and the pharisees. hence they nailed him to a cross.

[miracles]

And a liar it seems

Now you call me a liar and expect respect? heh!

[miracles]

You're right, I'm in hell and you are one of it's demon stewards. No arguing that. The Bible WAS PUT TOGETHER BY CATHOLICS. It did not exist previously to 425 AD, only thousands of scriptures from which a certain few were selected. These scriptures were "made ready for the public" after much corruption. If you really think the Bible existed previously, well... you need to go work for a politician or something. Because you just won't give an inch!

The Bible BTW is a plaigarism of Essene and Gnostic wisdom. You worship a bastard religion with a counterfeit God.



Cult leader! You are the one claiming nastiness is chucked at you? I think you are one of the biggest jokes on this forum, your hypocrisy always makes me laugh. You don't "return" the favor, you instigate the fight.

I have asked for evidence for this claim from thridwave, still no evidence, quit the talk fest and provide some evidence MC, its what you expect from us.

[dixie d]

Ladies and Gent’s,

I have serious questions for you all and I would like some serious answers. Let’s say the Bible is true to a degree but has been altered over time. And let’s also say that Jesus did exist.

You see I believe that Jesus did exist and he was crucified (murdered) for what he knew was going on around him and he was trying to warn people, however he was on his own and was against the odds, and he was murdered by his own people because of what they had been led to believe. I also believe that there is a second coming and the same people know of this also.

Let’s say Jesus was here today and he holds the key to the future, however he also know’s people are trying to kill him, but this time God has given him a warning that his life is in danger, and he also has an idea that something again has been planned for him to be murdered. He has an Idea (like in the Bible), that he has been betrayed by someone close to him, who he thought was his friend (or maybe this is Satan at work and his friend doesn’t know what he has done, difficult!). He also has an Idea of the time this will take place.

What should he do?

Questions:-

1. Should he carry on as normal and allow himself to be killed?

2. Should he avoid doing what he believes is going to kill him?

3. Thinking of the Superman Movie, should Superman intervene and change the course of history because he loves people?

Let’s also say there is not much time (only days) left to when this event will take place and he needs some quick responses. I am hoping that there are a lot of genuine, high ranking, high calibre people watching this thread especially Dr Brian O'Leary and his team, and I suggest they get their brain boxes going fast, even if you don't get any sleep like myself.

You see nobody considered Jesus did they? people just carried on thinking that all would be well.

Take good care all
Dixie

Mods if you would like to make this a new thread, and placed somewhere for all to see, by all means.

[tannah]

Ladies and Gent’s,

I have serious questions for you all and I would like some serious answers. Let’s say the Bible is true to a degree but has been altered over time. And let’s also say that Jesus did exist.

You see I believe that Jesus did exist and he was crucified (murdered) for what he knew was going on around him and he was trying to warn people, however he was on his own and was against the odds, and he was murdered by his own people because of what they had been led to believe. I also believe that there is a second coming and the same people know of this also.

Let’s say Jesus was here today and he holds the key to the future, however he also know’s people are trying to kill him, but this time God has given him a warning that his life is in danger, and he also has an idea that something again has been planned for him to be murdered. He has an Idea (like in the Bible), that he has been betrayed by someone close to him, who he thought was his friend (or maybe this is Satan at work and his friend doesn’t know what he has done, difficult!). He also has an Idea of the time this will take place.

What should he do?

Questions:-

1. Should he carry on as normal and allow himself to be killed?

2. Should he avoid doing what he believes is going to kill him?

3. Thinking of the Superman Movie, should Superman intervene and change the course of history because he loves people?

Let’s also say there is not much time (only days) left to when this event will take place and he needs some quick responses. I am hoping that there are a lot of genuine, high ranking, high calibre people watching this thread especially Dr Brian O'Leary.

Take good care all
Dixie


How about the scenario where his death was faked, and he escaped to places like France? Is it possible that Joseph let his own tomb be used to place Jesus in whilst the drug concoction wore off, and then he and the Essenes helped him escape? When I read the book that explained these things, it didn't seem too far out, and well within the realms of possibility.

After all, the Essenes dressed in white robes, and Mary Magdalene reported seeing white robed "angels" at the tomb. The Essenes were skilled herbalists, and the vinegar and gall concoction was apparently something that could make someone seem dead. It's been a while since I read that book, so forgive the lack of details. Heck, I'm sitting here trying to remember what the book was called. Maybe someone will remember.:)

[biblegirl]

You see I believe that Jesus did exist and he was crucified (murdered) for what he knew was going on around him and he was trying to warn people, however he was on his own and was against the odds, and he was murdered by his own people because of what they had been led to believe. I also believe that there is a second coming and the same people know of this also.

there is a whole lot to this story imo, like i believe Jesus was ritually sacrificed...yes he did know what was going on, and he was trying to tell the people the good news: that death is not final...he came here to PROVE that, and he did...

Let’s say Jesus was here today and he holds the key to the future, however he also know’s people are trying to kill him, but this time God has given him a warning that his life is in danger, and he also has an idea that something again has been planned for him to be murdered. He has an Idea (like in the Bible), that he has been betrayed by someone close to him, who he thought was his friend (or maybe this is Satan at work and his friend doesn’t know what he has done, difficult!). He also has an Idea of the time this will take place.

Jesus was well aware how and where and when they were going to kill him. But he went with it because he knew it was the only way to show the people the true nature of death (resurrection). There were many instances where the people "tried" to kill Jesus, but he became invisible and passed through them without them noticing. He could have done this again, but it would have defeated the purpose of his coming in the first place.

So if Jesus were here again, he would not need to re-prove that death is an illusion, and it would make no sense for him to do nothing to escape the people who were going to kill him.

[miracles]

Ladies and Gent’s,

I have serious questions for you all and I would like some serious answers. Let’s say the Bible is true to a degree but has been altered over time. And let’s also say that Jesus did exist.

You see I believe that Jesus did exist and he was crucified (murdered) for what he knew was going on around him and he was trying to warn people, however he was on his own and was against the odds, and he was murdered by his own people because of what they had been led to believe. I also believe that there is a second coming and the same people know of this also.

Let’s say Jesus was here today and he holds the key to the future, however he also know’s people are trying to kill him, but this time God has given him a warning that his life is in danger, and he also has an idea that something again has been planned for him to be murdered. He has an Idea (like in the Bible), that he has been betrayed by someone close to him, who he thought was his friend (or maybe this is Satan at work and his friend doesn’t know what he has done, difficult!). He also has an Idea of the time this will take place.

What should he do?

Questions:-

1. Should he carry on as normal and allow himself to be killed?

2. Should he avoid doing what he believes is going to kill him?

3. Thinking of the Superman Movie, should Superman intervene and change the course of history because he loves people?

Let’s also say there is not much time (only days) left to when this event will take place and he needs some quick responses. I am hoping that there are a lot of genuine, high ranking, high calibre people watching this thread especially Dr Brian O'Leary and his team.

Take good care all
Dixie

Mods if you would like to make this a new thread, by all means.

Jesus's death on the cross was an acceptable sacrifice to God for the sins of mankind. It put an end for the need of animal sacrifices. Christ was the perfect spotless lamb of God. If you miss this, you miss everything about his life death and resurection.

[miracles]

A design of sevens thus runs through the first five verses of Genisis:-

The numeric value of the vocabulary to the passage is 6,188, or 7 x7 x 13x 17 x 2 x 2; a multiple of THIRTEEN as well as of seven. Now the number of words in the passage is 52. or 4 x 13, which occur in 39 forms, or 3 x 13. Moreover, the numeric value of the vocabulary, 6,188 or 476 x 13, is thus distributed: The five words with which the five verses begin have 1,950, or 150 x 13; and the remaining 28 words have 4,238, or 326 x 13. (feature 15-18).

The five letters with which the verses begin have a numeric value of 26, or 2 x 13. (feature 19) The numeric value of the last word in the passage is thirteen. The 52 words of the passage, or 4 x 13, are thus divided: Verse 1-4 have 39, 3 x 13; verses 5 has thirteen. (feature 20-21)

A scheme of thirteen as well as of seven thus runs through this passage.

There is not a paragraph in the Bible that is not constructed on a similar numerical scheme.

Even if men had the skill to construct 66 books of the bible thus, the construction of even a single book would in nearly all cases require some hundreds of years.

As no man or set of men could write books thus; the only rational explanation of the numeric phenomena in the Bible is the guidance of its writers by a superior mathematical mind, the mathematical Author of nature.

These Phenomena thus prove Verbal Inspiration of the Scriptures as a whole and in every part thereof, even to its letters, in the original languages.

Feature 19 and 21, above tend, moreover, to show that in this passage at least the VERSE DIVISION is also part of the numeric design.




FROM THIS POINT ON I WILL CONTINUE TO POST EVIDENCE OF THE SUPERIOR MATHEMATICAL MIND THAT GAVE US THE BIBLE (THE BEAUTIFUL TRUTH). I WILL NO LONGER ENTER INTO PETTY SNIPPING AND WILL LET THE EVIDENCE STAND FOR ITSELF. YOU ARE ALL WITHOUT EXCUSE NOT TO BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF ALMIGHTY GOD. I SUGGEST YOU REPENT OF YOUR SINS AND RECEIVE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOUR (YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID), THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO ANYONE DIRECTLY IN THESE RELIGIOUS FORUMS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD. GOD BLESS YOU ALL

[tannah]

Popp-Y-Cock. Considering Genesis was taken from the Sumerian myths
any later numerical manipulation was the work of man.

Miracles is a lost cause. Anyone else may wish to try here:

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/SumerianMyth.htm

[dixie d]

So if Jesus were here again, he would not need to re-prove that death is an illusion, and it would make no sense for him to do nothing to escape the people who were going to kill him.

So you are saying he should avoid what he thinks has been planned?

Another thing, the way I see it, if Jesus is here today Satan will step up his efforts to kill him. Would you think that God will keep him protected during his second coming? because he must be here for a reason.

Take care
Dixie
:)

[biblegirl]

So you are saying he should avoid what he thinks has been planned?

Another thing, the way I see it, if Jesus is here today Satan will step up his efforts to kill him. Would you think that God will keep him protected during his second coming? because he must be here for a reason.

Take care
Dixie
:)

Ha ha, interesting questions, do you think Jesus is already here? Back in the day, Jesus allowed himself to be killed. It could not have happened prematurely imo, only when Jesus gave the go ahead. You could say he was technically protected until that time. If he was alive today and didn't want to be killed, I think he simply would not allow it. He is not afraid of Satan, and certainly not afraid of man. The book of Revelations speaks of a time when Satan will gather the nations against Jesus (I suppose in an effort to kill/overthrow him) but Satan fails miserably. My understanding of the second coming is that Jesus will be coming in a glorified immortal form. If this is true, then he is in no danger of death threats. So to answer your question, I don't think he would need to avoid what was planned, he just wouldn't allow it to affect him.

As no man or set of men could write books thus; the only rational explanation of the numeric phenomena in the Bible is the guidance of its writers by a superior mathematical mind, the mathematical Author of nature.

i think it's also probable that most beings outside this dimension, as well as humans traveling inter-dimensionally (John for instance), could duplicate the book structure...so maybe similar supernatural influence was behind each book that matches this pattern?? do the extra books like enoch and stuff follow this same numerical system??

also who decided how to break it up into chapters and verses, and do the other translations, languages of the bible follow the same system?

[bealert]

I was joking you plonker

[bealert]

Popp-Y-Cock. Considering Genesis was taken from the Sumerian myths
any later numerical manipulation was the work of man.

Miracles is a lost cause. Anyone else may wish to try here:

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/SumerianMyth.htm
yeah i do get the feeling he don't know what he's talking about..he's logic is very distorted to say the least

[waitew]

Fear thy God? That's not love.

I don't know,dude,doesn't a child both fear his Father yet love him too? I know I did.

[bealert]

Im defending the evidence Im supplying for my beliefs, the evidence is mocked and insulted, with no evidence to refute it, I return the favour, there is no way the truth of the gospel will get respect in here, I would love it if it did, I dont care what people say to me, it's water of a ducks back, but thanks for the concern. Yeah right.

I dontthink Im agressive, butyes jesus was extremly agressive with the mockers and the pharisees. hence they nailed him to a cross.
you have to prove something exists first not the other way around. I am not here to say there is no god Im saying until its proved there is one you will have doubters. People are not wrong in denying or questioning what as not been proved there just using common sense. if i said a car had been invented that run on air people would question where i got the information from and ask for proof ...if i then said prove it hasn't been invented people would assume i was a nut...This world works on proof of evidence not lack of proof. You can show me as many passages in the bible as you wish but it means nothing other than the scriptures were written and changed over time by those willing to manipulate a given situation to suite there needs.

[miracles]

[quote=biblegirl;1231822]

do the extra books like enoch and stuff follow this same numerical system??

quote]
No they don't

[hadabusa]

Genesis 1: 1-5

The vocabulary of the first five verses of Genesis (containing the account of the first day of creation) has in the Hebrew 33 words, whose numeric value is 6,188 or 884 x 7 (feature 1.) This number is thus divided by sevens. The initial letters of the 33 words have 2401, or 7x7x7x7: not only a multiple of seven, but even the fourth power of seven; and the remaining letters have 3,787, or 541 x 7 (feature 2). As the Hebrew alphabet has only 22 letters, the 33 words do not of course begin with 33 different letters, but with a smaller number, namely 16. Now the numeric value of the 33 initial letters, 2401 or 343 x 7, is thus divided: The 16 letters used in beginning the 33 words have 1,281 or 183 x 7; while the duplicates have 1,120, or 160 x7. (feature 3).

The first and last words in the vocabulary arranged alphabetically have a numeric value of 207 and 451, or 658, which is 94 x7 (feature 4), while the first and last words of the vocabulary arranged in order of the occurrence of the words in the text have a numeric value of 911 and 13, or 824 which is 132 x7. (Feature 5) Every seventh word in the vocabulary has for its value 2, 20, 75, 911, or 1,008, which is 7 x 3 x3 x 2x 2 x 2 x 2, not only itself a multiple of seven but having seven factors, and their sum is 21, or 3 x 7 (feature 6-8). And of these four numbers 2, 20, 75, 911 the first and the third have 77, or 7 x11 sevens. (feature 9)

Just seven words of the vocabulary occur in more than one form; and the numeric value of the vocabulary, 6m166 or 884 x 7, is accordingly thus divided by sevens; the seven words which occur in more than form have 1,610, or 230 x 7: and the words which occur on only one form have 4,478, or 654 x 7(feature 10-11)

Fourteen words, or 2 x 7, begin with the letter meaning and, which is combined twice
with other prefixes. The numeric value of the prefixes in these 14 words, or 2 x 7, is 119, or 17 x 7; of which (the letter for and) has 84, or 12 x 7, and the other prefixes have 35, or 5 x 7. (feature 12- 14)

The presence of these fourteen features of sevens here is either accidental or designed. If accidental the chance for it is only one in seven multiplied by itself 14 times, or one in 678,233, 072, 849. The presence of these features of sevens in there for designed.

Wake up and smell the coffee folks, you dont have a leg to stand on. I can provide evidence all day everyday that God wrote the bible supernaturally through men.



cool.

but worthless until some1 explains me the 101biblical contradictions.
you know wich thread;)

[brainfreeze]

I don't know,dude,doesn't a child both fear his Father yet love him too? I know I did.

You're speaking to the wrong girl. Now that I no longer fear him I'm taking the bastard to court.

Fear is not love. Did you fear your father, or the punishment you knew he would dish out?

[hadabusa]

miracle, you joker.
enable pm if you got the audacity2send pms to me with stuff you wouldnt post in threads.


haha look up luciferhorus's thread, compare to bible, then come back to talk about muslim fundamentalists .
you mean as in,my god is better then theirs?lol

before you write me off asa satanist or atheist, letme tellya,i believe in god.i believe nature is god .
and i dont need a religion to believe in god.
neither do i need2read the bible, (tough i have)to believe .
dont tell me reading is declared mandatory oor else.
i could never accept argument s like reading is mandatory because bible wasnt avaiable for long to rcc ppl .
they had2pay and attend mass(wtf would jesus say about mass, church taxes?????????)

my grandfather got forced confirmation by a franciscan priest n 1min later the rifle and a knife iand marching order during ww2 .
YOU tell me if thats true.
he says its true,i say screw the rcc.
killing4god.

evangelists need all lobotomies if you ask me.

[hadabusa]

You're speaking to the wrong girl. Now that I no longer fear him I'm taking the bastard to court.

Fear is not love. Did you fear your father, or the punishment you knew he would dish out?

well, the holy fairytale book says you must take it.im ironic here;)

inflicting fear is terrorism.period.
inflicting fear will not yield respect,it can only lead to hate and agression in the long run.

religion sure likes to spread parental moral and dogma.
meanwhile,1pope was the lover of his daughter.
nun chappeles ran as whorehouses, NICE dogma right there.

btw, joker - miracle, do i deserve teh eternal bakery for my views?
if,not,i can certainly attend a confession session with some old childmolester, who has some selfappointed rights2pardon me?

religion is ridicolous.
its beyond me how ppl with history knowledge can even be bothered2believe any religion bs.
you hope4heaven?
guess what?wooden coffin 6feet under payed by your family is final destination.
think no?
try it, have yourself assasinated, report back if possible.

[reality man]

I think it's funny how Christians, Muslims and Jews make fun of how Joseph Smith was channeled the book of Mormon when Moses did pretty much the exact same thing! Mohammed as well. Mormonism is just as valid as the other major cults. (which is to say, not valid at all)


They are all speculating/believing to make thier fear of the dark (the unknown) go away. They will fill up the dark (unknown) with any old twaddle at all, as long as it makes them feel more secure and less fearful. They are always on about what happens after death, due to thier fear once again, they believe this and that because the NEED to believe ... to water down the fear!

[miracles]

miracle, you joker.
enable pm if you got the audacity2send pms to me with stuff you wouldnt post in threads.


haha look up luciferhorus's thread, compare to bible, then come back to talk about muslim fundamentalists .
you mean as in,my god is better then theirs?lol

before you write me off asa satanist or atheist, letme tellya,i believe in god.i believe nature is god .
and i dont need a religion to believe in god.
neither do i need2read the bible, (tough i have)to believe .
dont tell me reading is declared mandatory oor else.
i could never accept argument s like reading is mandatory because bible wasnt avaiable for long to rcc ppl .
they had2pay and attend mass(wtf would jesus say about mass, church taxes?????????)

my grandfather got forced confirmation by a franciscan priest n 1min later the rifle and a knife iand marching order during ww2 .
YOU tell me if thats true.
he says its true,i say screw the rcc.
killing4god.

evangelists need all lobotomies if you ask me.

What ever trevor. Im not RCC they suck biscuits and say Christ is in the middle how sick is that. Lucifer Borus is an out of the box satanists and he admits it, go to his my space page and have alook at his peops.

What I said in a PM to you was there are no contradictions, that was lifted from a muslim fundamnentalists site. Anti Christ propaganda in other words. You need a labotomy if you ask me.

Sorry about your grand father, my great grandfather was killed in the war too.

PS you can activate the PM if you have half a brain. And tick a box. You need a few of your boxes ticked mate, there all a bit blank.

[miracles]

you have to prove something exists first not the other way around. I am not here to say there is no god Im saying until its proved there is one you will have doubters. People are not wrong in denying or questioning what as not been proved there just using common sense. if i said a car had been invented that run on air people would question where i got the information from and ask for proof ...if i then said prove it hasn't been invented people would assume i was a nut...This world works on proof of evidence not lack of proof. You can show me as many passages in the bible as you wish but it means nothing other than the scriptures were written and changed over time by those willing to manipulate a given situation to suite there needs.

Ive already have proved it.

[michael christopher]

I feel bad, when Miracles said he was going to stop responding to the religious forum posts, I gave him a week. He didn't even go a whole 12 hours.

[bealert]

you havent proved anything its all in your mind

[miracles]

you havent proved anything its all in your mind

No its its all in the facts. You ignoring them, is all your mind and shows me you are blind and or dumb. No offense just the facts. Have you read the facts by the way??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????? Coz Im gonna keep bumping them till you do

[miracles]

I feel bad, when Miracles said he was going to stop responding to the religious forum posts, I gave him a week. He didn't even go a whole 12 hours.

I cant ignore insults, I missed the "turn the other cheek lesson", I was at my Tai Qwon Do lesson. SO if you stop insulting me you will get rid of me. There'e a hint.

I have a really bad flu, the worst ever, I think some witches have put a hex on me.

[michael christopher]

I cant ignore insults, I missed the "turn the other cheek lesson", I was at my Tai Qwon Do lesson. SO if you stop insulting me you will get rid of me. There'e a hint.

I have a really bad flu, the worst ever, I think some witches have put a hex on me.

I don't care whether you leave or not, and I'm not insulting you, we're just dancing.

[miracles]

I don't care whether you leave or not, and I'm not insulting you, we're just dancing.

You do care, please say you care, nobody loves me. How can you be so obtuse?

[hadabusa]

What ever trevor. Im not RCC they suck biscuits and say Christ is in the middle how sick is that. Lucifer Borus is an out of the box satanists and he admits it, go to his my space page and have alook at his peops.

What I said in a PM to you was there are no contradictions, that was lifted from a muslim fundamnentalists site. Anti Christ propaganda in other words. You need a labotomy if you ask me.

Sorry about your grand father, my great grandfather was killed in the war too.

PS you can activate the PM if you have half a brain. And tick a box. You need a few of your boxes ticked mate, there all a bit blank.
well, retardo(thats your name,right?), miracles has chosen to not get pms.
ok,i click send request to accept pm, guess what, miracles has chosen to not get pms .
there goes your activation theory.

LH a satanist?so is ratzinger, all i care is we share political views.

ok, because it was brought up by muslims,it must be false.

nobody has debunked the contradictions, thats my point,not who brought them up.
some are so blatant, any sane person would immediatelly declare it a fairytale collection.

btw, YOU havent proven shit, youre chosing to ignore all faults as if they werent there.



look, man, sorry if you feel bad and all, but ,uh,this debatte is pointless.

btw, lay off the weed and bible once in a while.

some1didnt like my therapy suggestion for evangelics.

peace.antibiotics are good vs flus.im no jerk, health>religion.

p

[reality man]

I feel bad, when Miracles said he was going to stop responding to the religious forum posts, I gave him a week. He didn't even go a whole 12 hours.


Thats because he likes to cause trouble and annoyance ... just like the real good christian that he is.

[bealert]

No its its all in the facts. You ignoring them, is all your mind and shows me you are blind and or dumb. No offense just the facts. Have you read the facts by the way??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????? Coz Im gonna keep bumping them till you do
but the numbers didnt mean anything to me ..it could have been something you made up and even if it was true so what

[miracles]

but the numbers didnt mean anything to me ..it could have been something you made up and even if it was true so what

It is true, it means God wrote the bible, start reading it again my friend, it will do yo good, you know it did once, it will do it again. Thats what.

[miracles]

well, retardo(thats your name,right?), miracles has chosen to not get pms.
ok,i click send request to accept pm, guess what, miracles has chosen to not get pms .
there goes your activation theory.

LH a satanist?so is ratzinger, all i care is we share political views.

ok, because it was brought up by muslims,it must be false.

nobody has debunked the contradictions, thats my point,not who brought them up.
some are so blatant, any sane person would immediatelly declare it a fairytale collection.


btw, YOU havent proven shit, youre chosing to ignore all faults as if they werent there.



look, man, sorry if you feel bad and all, but ,uh,this debatte is pointless.

btw, lay off the weed and bible once in a while.

some1didnt like my therapy suggestion for evangelics.

peace.antibiotics are good vs flus.im no jerk, health>religion.

p
I receive PMs every day. :confused: I dont smoke weed.