What are animals and insects?

[alienbeat]

I think they are a type of 'red dress programs'/organic portals. I think we can learn about what human 'red dress programs'/organic portals are by studying animals and insects.

What do you think?

[biblegirl]

i've heard you mention the red dress stuff before, but i don't know what it means :o

could you post a definition?

[alienbeat]

i've heard you mention the red dress stuff before, but i don't know what it means :o

could you post a definition?

Someone else can post Icke's definition but this is my favorite for "organic portal":

It is someone without a consciousness. You might see someone laugh and show emotion and tones of voice and facial expressions and animated, but this doesnt mean there is a consciousness inside of them. They could have no consciousness and you are simply seeing brain calculations, like a complex robot. Theres no ego, no sentience, no consciousness. theres no one inside of the body, its just a body that looks like its conscious.

[alienbeat]

This thread looks like an interesting read on the topic of 'red dress programs':

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3262&p=1

[alienbeat]

Another definition:

Here is the definition of an organic portal: A human being who lacks the higher chakras, a higher Self, a permanent core of self-awareness that stays intact when dying and reincarnating.

They still have a diffuse soul energy, but it's not individualized in them. The energy could be part of an animal group soul, an extension of that group soul into the human species as an energy scout into the human domain to help the animal group soul acquire higher energy to assist its own evolution.

The diffuse energy making up an organic portal's nonphysical beingness gathers upon their birth and disperses shortly after death -- technically, after the "second death", aka disintegration of the astral body.

They have etheric and astral bodies, but not a spirit in the technical sense. They lack empathy because higher emotions like empathy and compassion come from the spirit. The spirit here is defined as that permanent core of self-awareness and the godspark within truly enspirited humans.

Semantics here are confusing, because in theosophical lexicons, "soul" means etheric + astral body, while spirit basically signifies the mental body. For the organic portal theory, the term "soulless" is used in the sense of how someone lacking empathy is commonly described as being heartless or soulless. It's also used in the sense of "soul" meaning "individualized soul" aka spirit.

An organic portal is the product of genetics, environment, and hyper-dimensional factors manipulating them like puppets. A non-organic-portal is the product of genetics, environment, SPIRITUAL/PRE-INCARNATIONAL, and if they aren't watching themselves then also hyper-dimensional factors manipulating them as well. Thus an organic portal given a benign upbringing and decent genetics will become a harmless, run-of-the-mill, benign pod person serving the matrix without causing any trouble. But with bad environments or genetic imbalances, they may "malfunction" and their lack of empathy goes unchecked, thus they become classic psychopaths. A non-OP has spiritual factors that often make them turn out CONTRARY to their environment instead of the direct PRODUCT of it. There are non-OP psychopaths as well, except their empathy is numbed or displaced and corrupted.

For the record, that's the minimum you guys ought to know about the organic portal theory.

[alienbeat]

i've heard you mention the red dress stuff before, but i don't know what it means :o

could you post a definition?

Icke's definition:

David Icke: The Illuminati is also an illusion. And what this voice in Brazil was telling me over these hours was that many of the characters that are actually in positions of power manipulating this world are actually projections. And what it was said was think of the agents, the so-called sentient programs in the movie. Who came in and out of the matrix and took different physical bodies at will. They weren't actually consciousness as we understand consciousness. They were programs, sentient programs they were called. And what it was saying to me is the reason that these people, these manipulators are actually very demonstrably without emotion is because they are, if you like, computers, computer programs. A computer does not have emotion. It deals purely with, if you like, the mental, symbolically. It doesn't have an emotion, you program something into a computer, it doesn't make an emotional assessment, it just carries out the programing, which is what it said these people are. And, because of the illusory nature of the holographic reality, if you can project these holographic figures as a thought field in a way that humans will observe them into holographic reality, it means that the people will not be able to tell the difference between something that has conciousness as we know it and something that is a projection, it will seem the same to them. And in the same way as is happening now, they're putting digital figures into movies with human actors and you can't see the join. The only difference Nicole is that we are seeing this process as a three demensional hologram verses two demensional cinema screen."

[runciter]

I think they are a type of 'red dress programs'/organic portals. I think we can learn about what human 'red dress programs'/organic portals are by studying animals and insects.

What do you think?

are you suggesting that some people are lesser beings?

this reminds me of supremacist doctrines like nazism or judaism.

[krakhead]

are you suggesting that some people are lesser beings?

this reminds me of supremacist doctrines like nazism or judaism.

My take on the organic portal theory too!

It seems to be thrown around by people with superiority complexes at people who dare to disagree with their 'enlightened' view of the world.

Hideous divisionist thinking that denies the vast range of possible life experiences available to each of us.

[alienbeat]

are you suggesting that some people are lesser beings?

this reminds me of supremacist doctrines like nazism or judaism.

Actually, I'm saying no more than Icke said in the quote I posted above. The realization I've had is that animals and insects are probably the same kind of holographic 'illusions' as what Icke calls 'red dress programs'.

I'm here to discuss topics that are related to Icke's teachings. If you don't agree with Icke's 'red dress program' theory then you can ignore this thread. Don't attack me when I just want to expand on things Icke has been talking about for a long time.

In other words, I will not argue the merits of the theory, I want to chat about the theory. Does that make sense?

[alienbeat]

My take on the organic portal theory too!

It seems to be thrown around by people with superiority complexes at people who dare to disagree with their 'enlightened' view of the world.

Hideous divisionist thinking that denies the vast range of possible life experiences available to each of us.

Here's my view on this:

The OP theory helps us to understand our lives and gives us peace of mind. I've believed the theory's true for a long time but I also believe firmly that you never know for sure who the OPs are so you must treat everyone equally.

What about it gives me peace of mind? When I see religious zealots who talk about peace and love but support war (Christians and Bush), I can understand that most of them are probably not conscious. They are used by the matrix to entrap the rest of us in the matrix. I used to wonder how a human being could have such obviously contradictory beliefs as Christian neocons but this theory gives me some understanding and closure as to how that's possible.

Everything I just typed is right in line with Icke's teachings. If you think it's a sign of a superiority complex or it's bad somehow, please tell everyone about how Icke is wrong.

[runciter]

Actually, I'm saying no more than Icke said in the quote I posted above. The realization I've had is that animals and insects are probably the same kind of holographic 'illusions' as what Icke calls 'red dress programs'.

I'm here to discuss topics that are related to Icke's teachings. If you don't agree with Icke's 'red dress program' theory then you can ignore this thread. Don't attack me when I just want to expand on things Icke has been talking about for a long time.

In other words, I will not argue the merits of the theory, I want to chat about the theory. Does that make sense?

no.

who are these sub-human beings, according to your theory?

[alienbeat]

no.

who are these sub-human beings, according to your theory?

I have no idea. There's no way to know for sure, imho.

Icke has answered that question in detail though, if you think this theory is so awful...

What are you doing on this site? If you can't answer that question, I'll put you on ignore immediately.

[alienbeat]

no.

who are these sub-human beings, according to your theory?

Here's Icke's answer from "Infinite Love is the Only Truth":

Think of horses on a carousel. Whether anyone is sitting on them or not they still go round with the rest. Our 'physical' bodies are biological computers reading software programs and they are running all the time. The question is whether self- aware consciousness chooses to experience this illusory world through one of those software carousel 'horses' (human bodies) or not. If it doesn't, the 'body' will still play out the program, because it is a biological computer capable of 'thought' (assessment of data). But it will be nothing more than software without consciousness as defined in this book. Everything you see in the Matrix is part of the program, including your own body. The exception to this is your consciousness, those that have any that is, because, in the way I am defining consciousness in this book, not everyone has. The phenomenon of the 'woman in the red dress' in the first Matrix movie, the woman who was just part of a software program despite appearing 'real', is not confined to a Hollywood sci-fi script. These 'computer' creations, these carousel horses with no rider, are everywhere. There are three main groups of 'people' in the Matrix[...]:

1) First there are the software programs whose only consciousness is the DNA/RNA receiving instructions from the Matrix. They are constructs of mind, not consciousness. All energy/consciousness is Infinite Oneness, but not all expressions of this are at the same level of awareness. The 'human' interactive software programs are sophisticated robots following a 'life' program dictated by the Matrix and their free will is basically zilch. I'm sure you must have met many. They appear to be the same as everyone else in the way they look, but the best special effects studios can now put digital 'people' into advertisements and you can't see the join. There is a television presenter in Britain who is famous for being enormous and she appeared in a commercial with a far slimmer body to sell a food product. You could not see the join and anyone who didn't know what she really looked like would believe the body in the ad was hers. This is why we have to be extremely wary about 'Bin Laden' videos that suddenly come to light at just the right time from the agenda's point of view. Producing a fake Bin Laden saying fake words is a cinch to the state-of-the-art special effects houses. The same principle applies with these 'Red Dress' programs, as I will call them. They are bodies without consciousness, interactive software programs. The lifeless look in their eyes is one way of picking them out, as is the lack of energy coming from them. They resonate to a different frequency to conscious awareness and again you can symbolise them as the horses on the carousel with no one on board. These interactive software programs can malfunction, go off message, and 'hack' into other programs - as with the Agent Smith character in the Matrix movies. A lot of that is going on, too.

2) Other people do have consciousness, but are so entranced and deluded by the Matrix that their DNA programming calls the shots and dictates the path that they take. These horses do have a rider, but the horse is still making the decisions. They go where the DNA program takes them because they don't think they have a choice or don't choose to make one. They can be lovely, caring people and express their consciousness in that way, but they can't see beyond the illusion. These are the main energy source for the Matrix because it feeds off the emotional energies of fear, guilt, and frustration etc., generated by consciousness trapped in this virtual reality prison and identifying with its programmed 'personality'. Once consciousness identifies with the mind and emotions - the software - it begins to resonate to those frequencies and this invariably means an expression of fear. These people, with what you might call 'back seat consciousness', also represent by far the biggest section of 'conscious' humanity. They are the system fodder who overwhelmingly do and think as they are told.

3) The third, and by far the smallest, group are those who are aware enough to see through the illusion and have begun to access the knowing of Infinite Oneness beyond the walls of the software program. This doesn't mean they understand the full nature of life and reality, but they have at least a subconscious knowing that the world is not as it seems. They are the only ones with free will in the sense that they have the awareness and power of consciousness to break the control of the DNA software. They can ride the horse and, in doing so, rewrite the program. These people stand out from the crowd and are dubbed dangerous or mad because they don't see the world like everyone else. The Matrix is a six- stone weakling compared with consciousness in its true power, and this group is like a computer virus that has the means to scramble the program and download another reality. The Matrix targets these people with a vengeance to protect its control and also because if it can manipulate this level of consciousness to become caught in the illusions and succumb to fear, it is a massive potential energy source.

Consciousness has become trapped by the Matrix in a maze of smoke and mirrors that has implanted a false reality. The 'Red Dresses', or software people, are no problem because they just follow the codes. The targets of the Matrix are those with self-aware consciousness who find themselves, for whatever reason, caught in the flytrap. It is in pursuit of these people - this consciousness - that the system of society is so designed in this part of the program. I have been saying in my books for years that the system has been structured to hold consciousness in a prison of the five senses. You can see everywhere that this is so obviously true. But what is this five- sense jail cell? It is a prison of the brain and body - the DNA! While we are focused purely on the five-sense reality we are slaves to the DNA that dictates our thoughts, emotions and actions. The consciousness of most people never gets its hands on the wheel of life because the DNA will not vacate the driver's seat. Consciousness in its reconnected infinite power could easily take control, but it is difficult to do this when you are not aware that you are Infinite Consciousness and you think that the DNA thoughts and emotions you are having are yours. This is how the movie constantly plays out while slumbering consciousness thinks it is calling the shots! The aim is to turn conscious beings into generators of fear in all its forms to empower the Matrix, and to take away freedom and replace it with what I call feardom - domination by fear. One of the major ways this is done is through the software programs that we call 'leaders'. You will recall the emphasis I have placed on the obsession of the Illuminati families with interbreeding and genetics. As I have already suggested, what we call procreation is the recording of two software programs (father and mother) onto one disk - the child. All bodies are software programs and the difference is whether they are pure software (Red Dresses) or whether consciousness is involved. When consciousness expresses itself through the body it rewrites the DNA programming which, in turn, is transmitted to other DNA and to the Matrix in general. These people change what we call the bloodline and, as a result, these Red Dress genetic lines become increasingly less controlled by the dictates of the program. Such people will have a heart dimension to their views and decisions; they will have a sense of empathy, compassion and fairness. They will not, in short, react as a programmed disk in the way the Matrix demands with violence, bigotry and an absence of empathy with those who suffer the consequences of their actions. The world is awash with this mentality because it is awash with software people.

[runciter]

Here's my view on this:

The OP theory helps us to understand our lives and gives us peace of mind. I've believed the theory's true for a long time but I also believe firmly that you never know for sure who the OPs are so you must treat everyone equally.

What about it gives me peace of mind? When I see religious zealots who talk about peace and love but support war (Christians and Bush), I can understand that most of them are probably not conscious. They are used by the matrix to entrap the rest of us in the matrix. I used to wonder how a human being could have such obviously contradictory beliefs as Christian neocons but this theory gives me some understanding and closure as to how that's possible.

Everything I just typed is right in line with Icke's teachings. If you think it's a sign of a superiority complex or it's bad somehow, please tell everyone about how Icke is wrong.

they are mentally ill, i doubt that seeing them as insects would help.

if icke is convinced that they're substantially different from a human being, i disagree.

if he thinks they're somehow controlled by an external, non-human force, i would consider the possibility.

[runciter]

Here's Icke's answer from "Infinite Love is the Only Truth":

do you think they have a hardware problem, or is it only the operative system?

[alienbeat]

they are mentally ill, i doubt that seeing them as insects would help.

I've studied this for years, everybody I've heard talk about OPs that I would give any credence to says there's no way to know for sure who's an OP and who's not.

I was watching a nature show last night about animals and insects and it's simply mind-boggling what little tiny creatures can do but all of it seems to be programmed into them. If you multiply that a million times...

Here's a poster that claims that OPs can be human geniuses, it's mind-blowing to me that it can all be the result of a 'program':

If you read up on the organic portal theory, the ONLY difference is that they lack the crown chakra, heart chakra, and third eye. That's it. These higher chakras are interface point with the spirit, and they don't have spirits. All they have is an extension of a shared group soul, and for that the lower chakras are enough. They still have their own root, sexual, naval, solar plexus, and throat chakras.

Or if you go by the Fourth Way system, they are lacking in the higher emotional center, higher intellectual center, and magnetic center. But they do have a lower intellectual center, meaning they are very capable of being computational, mechanical, instrumental genius. However they don't have creative genius, because true creativity comes from spirit, intuition, inspiration, synchronicity, dreams, gnosis.

So OPs can be mechanical geniuses. They can be extremely mathematically astute scientists. They could be idiots savants memorizing all baseball statistics for the past hundred years. They could be the fastest guitar players in the world if they practiced. They could be olympic athletes. They can be the shrewdest entrepreneurs and build corporate empires.

But they are not creative geniuses. They won't be writing the newest, best, most empowering spiritual books. They won't be coming up with new forms of music, art, or science that actually go in a creative direction. Recycled new age fluff, slop on a canvas, or chaotic music for the sake of innovation, don't count since a monkey could 'create' these.

[alienbeat]

do you think they have a hardware problem, or is it only the operative system?

It's not a problem at all. I believe, personally, that there are either:

A. Not enough souls are available for all the human beings that are born into every family on Earth. or

B. There are certain families that no one wants to be born into (or possibly no one DESERVES to be born into these families)

So, the matrix creates a 'red dress program'/organic portal to be born into these families.

Thus, the matrix system on earth keeps zipping right along. Every pregnant woman has a child in her belly but is there a real soul attached to that child or is it a 'red dress program'/organic portal?

[runciter]

is there a biological difference?

[alienbeat]

is there a biological difference?

I haven't heard of such a thing. I would think an OP would be a combination of the parent's genes just like every other person.

[miracles]

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[beldazar]

Here's Icke's answer from "Infinite Love is the Only Truth":

"All bodies are software programs and the difference is whether they are pure software (Red Dresses) or whether consciousness is involved. When consciousness expresses itself through the body it rewrites the DNA programming which, in turn, is transmitted to other DNA and to the Matrix in general. These people change what we call the bloodline and, as a result, these Red Dress genetic lines become increasingly less controlled by the dictates of the program. Such people will have a heart dimension to their views and decisions; they will have a sense of empathy, compassion and fairness. They will not, in short, react as a programmed disk in the way the Matrix demands with violence, bigotry and an absence of empathy with those who suffer the consequences of their actions. The world is awash with this mentality because it is awash with software people"
David Icke,

Ah brilliant! thanks for posting this Alienbeat, such a great read :)

I copy/pasted the last bit as I had a question. I read a piece somewhere that said we dont need any DNA so wondered if the DNA was the problem. It seems as if this isnt necessarily so...If we had all of our DNA switched on then we would be SO MUCH MORE but then still be a virtual reality computer programme!!!

This subject isnt a question of any form of 'heirarchy', 'I'm better than you' etc...just an 'as is'. I would be the first to jump if I thought that.

Going back to your op Alienbeat, I can see what you are getting at but how about animals that have achieved wonderful displays of empathy such as rescuing a drowning child, pining at the grave of a loved-one. There are many stories of this sort involving many different types of animals. These animals arent doing it for any kind of 'payback', recognition' or any form of selfish reasons related to their survival.
I would say that the same that applies with humans applies to the different animal groups too, so be careful about killing a spider as he may be one with us (providing I'm not another 'red-dress' programme ;))

[runciter]

I haven't heard of such a thing. I would think an OP would be a combination of the parent's genes just like every other person.

so it's just speculation based on you perception of the other.

[alienbeat]

so it's just speculation based on you perception of the other.

The difference is spiritual, it's not physical at all.

[alienbeat]

"All bodies are software programs and the difference is whether they are pure software (Red Dresses) or whether consciousness is involved. When consciousness expresses itself through the body it rewrites the DNA programming which, in turn, is transmitted to other DNA and to the Matrix in general. These people change what we call the bloodline and, as a result, these Red Dress genetic lines become increasingly less controlled by the dictates of the program. Such people will have a heart dimension to their views and decisions; they will have a sense of empathy, compassion and fairness. They will not, in short, react as a programmed disk in the way the Matrix demands with violence, bigotry and an absence of empathy with those who suffer the consequences of their actions. The world is awash with this mentality because it is awash with software people"
David Icke,

Ah brilliant! thanks for posting this Alienbeat, such a great read :)

I copy/pasted the last bit as I had a question. I read a piece somewhere that said we dont need any DNA so wondered if the DNA was the problem. It seems as if this isnt necessarily so...If we had all of our DNA switched on then we would be SO MUCH MORE but then still be a virtual reality computer programme!!!

This subject isnt a question of any form of 'heirarchy', 'I'm better than you' etc...just an 'as is'. I would be the first to jump if I thought that.

Going back to your op Alienbeat, I can see what you are getting at but how about animals that have achieved wonderful displays of empathy such as rescuing a drowning child, pining at the grave of a loved-one. There are many stories of this sort involving many different types of animals. These animals arent doing it for any kind of 'payback', recognition' or any form of selfish reasons related to their survival.
I would say that the same that applies with humans applies to the different animal groups too, so be careful about killing a spider as he may be one with us (providing I'm not another 'red-dress' programme ;))

I don't understand the question that you're asking in this post.

About the last part, it's complicated, imho. I believe that some animals may have souls that have been humans before so that might help explain the last part of your post.

[disorder2k8]

of course we need DNA, its the blueprint for our genes. we not be able to refer to a copy of ourselves(to fix problems) if we had no DNA

[beldazar]

I don't understand the question that you're asking in this post.

About the last part, it's complicated, imho. I believe that some animals may have souls that have been humans before so that might help explain the last part of your post.

Sorry I forgot to say it was answered in the bit I had copy/pasted, which is why I copy/pasted it :)

[beldazar]

of course we need DNA, its the blueprint for our genes. we not be able to refer to a copy of ourselves(to fix problems) if we had no DNA

Not according to this article...

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/10/20/02677.html

Scholars suggest Human DNA shows signs of being an Invasive Extraterrestrial Parasite

by Dr. John Chang

Many scientists have documented that over 95% of Human DNA does not have a known purpose. This DNA has been colloquially referred to as "Junk DNA".

Up to 97% of the human genetic information (DNA) is seemingly needless, repetitive "junk" - only about 3% is known to generate proteins, deserving the name "gene". The rest used to be called "junk DNA", lately renamed as "non-coding introns", sometimes labelled by the mysterious, though not very explicit description that these self-similar strands "regulate gene expression". LINK


However, other researchers have not been content to simply classify this predominant part of DNA as "one of life's mysteries". Scholarly groups at the forefront of investigative researchers are gathering details which suggest that DNA may not substantively exist as a "building block of life". Rather, it appears that the substantive function of DNA is to act as a "parasitic inhibitor" and "regulator" of life on planet Earth.

Dr. John Lash documents, for example, in metahistory.org:

Recent work by Russian biologist Piotr Garjajev and some Russian linguistic experts suggests the same thing, and, more specifically, this research may show that junk DNA, rather than being a discard, is “a computer hologram that works with laser-type radiations.” In short, DNA is an extraordinary generator of perceptions, an instrument of virtual reality.


By accepting the link between DNA and emotional and mental activities, we may begin to imagine DNA as a complex program that directs the life process (regulating our metabolism, for instance), but impedes our consciousness from complete manifestation. LINK

Research testimony that includes ancient representations, suggest that DNA was implanted in humanity by Manipulative Extraterrestrials. The fact that over 95% of DNA does not support vital biological living processes suggest that it is conceivable for biological life to exist without any DNA.


More than 95 % of all DNA, had been first called "Junk DNA" by molecular biologists, because they were unable to ascribe any function to it. They assumed that it was just "molecular garbage". But, if it were "junk", the sequence of the "syllables", i.e. the nucleotides in DNA should be completely random. However it has been found that the sequence of the syllables is not random at all and has a striking resemblance with the structure of language (ref. Flam, F. "Hints of a language in junk DNA", Science 266:1320, 1994), that is alien to humanity. Scientists now generally believe that this DNA must contain some kind of coded information.


Gnostic insights into an apparent regressive alien artificial intelligence that contrived this universe.


You might wonder, what understanding of our human origins could account for the parasitic implanting of DNA into biological life on planet Earth? Indeed, this further inspires the question; who are we? What are our origins; why do we exist' and from that context, where are we going? For starters, it is vital that we as humanity begin to question the "understandings" of reality, that have been presented to us, by elites who have been documented time again, for spinning a "web of deceit". In this context, it is also correspondingly vital to critically consider prospective new insights, irrespective of how much the Establishment responds with denial.

The existence of historical and on-going Extraterrestrial contact with Earthbound humanity, has been at the forefront of this denial. Indeed, the alleged contactees of both Manipulative and Ethical Extraterrestrials offer insights into a context of genetic manipulation within biotic life on Earth.

The article titled "Scholars suggest Extraterrestrial-like DNA fractals floating in the Human Gene Pool" explored fractals as evidence that Manipulative Extraterrestrials may have sought to genetically manipulate and control humanity. LINK. A group of researchers associated with Fractogene.com document these apparent similar artificial "fractal signatures" across different biotic life forms on Earth:

This uncertainity if "junk DNA" is really "junk", that caught some scientists by surprise, is now history. Indeed, scientists were never quite sure that any part of DNA could be discarded outright, and even the question was raised if introns might play a role in evolution, see Mattick, 1994., Klyce, 2002). The bombshell of the 5th of December issue of the highly reputed Nature 420, 509 (2002) revealed that the 99% of the genes of the mouse have direct equivalents with the humane genes. What does this mean? LINK


FractoGene's pending patent, conceives life on Earth as being linked to a fractal elaboration of a gene by its introns (the fractal model of Purkinje cell was published by Pellionisz, 1989). In so doing, Fractogene seems to have stumbled upon "introns" as Manipulative Extraterrestrial signature of the demonic inorganic mechanical intelligence that ancient pagan Gnostic referred to as "artificial man" or the "archons". Introns, derived from the term "intragenic regions" and also called intervening sequence (IVS), are DNA regions in a gene that are not translated into proteins.

Many studies have documented evidence that introns are either directly or indirectly involved in cancer causation, and other diseases. Mutations in the introns have been specifically linked to cancerous "tumorigenesis progression." LINK

Among the many other intron genetic variations that have been linked to cancer (in this case lung cancer) is a K-ras intron variation involving tandem repeats in the H-ras 3'-untranslated region. Mutations in introns may influence neoplasm development because mutations that occur in introns (or in the DNA sequences that flank the gene) can affect the various steps required for normal expression of the gene even though the intron codes may not be detectable by studies of the protein product of the gene. If the defective expression of a gene product is a tumour suppressor gene or a proto-oncogene, cancer may result. LINK


Zecharia Sitchin documents the DNA double helix as being created by Gnostic identified aliens, that Dr. Sitchin further links to extraterrestrials which inhabit and preside over "Planet X". Dr. Sitchin documents findings of the double helix "entwined serpents" perhaps as some sort of alien "sacred geometry". Dr Sitchin links these artefacts as attesting to alien genetic experiments on humans that were needed by 'archons', as slave labour. LINK

Insights from the ancient pagan Gnostics, indigenous elders, and contactees of alleged Ethical Extraterrestrials like Alex Collier, suggest that the origins of humanity may be as an immortal and highly sexual being of great conscience and empathy. Gnostics that sought to rebel against Manipulative Extraterrestrials that sought to repress human sexual energies, "engaged in ritual orgies that involved the ingestion of sexual fluids as sacramental substances." LINK

John Lash further documents:

Sexual orgies among the Gnostics would not have been merely for the pleasure and indulgence: although they would not have excluded that, either! They worshipped the supernatural force that resided in their own bodies. In fact, the word “orgy,” Greek orgia, means simply, “working, activation.”

The alien powers do not see those who are clothed in the perfect light, and so they are not able to restrain them. By the rite of sacramental union, one is ensheathed in this light.” (Gospel of Philip, passage 70).

Nymphion was a code term for the cell-of-light or protective aura generated by ritual intercourse. Within the cell, the initiates overcome the influence of the Archons who produce error in our minds, and threaten to take over our bodies LINK


Was DNA engineered by regressive aliens to repress the full expression of human nature that includes sexuality?



DNA fractal patterns consistent with regressive alien artificial intelligence alluded to b Dr. John Lash.


Apparently, humanity may have existed before being "infected" by regressive aliens, with 'DNA'. It is apparent that DNA may have very well been bio-engineered by regressive aliens as substantive parasite to the existence of humanity as biotic and spiritual trans-temporal beings. That is the idea of humans had existed as socially liberated beings of conscience, with multidimensional perceptual capabilities, not being bound by prevailing Earthbound human conception of linear time.

Alex Collier testifies that regressive aliens were brought into the human space-time continuum by Nazi scientists, (in an antecedent and parallel space-time continuum), who were driven by a self-serving ego driven agenda. LINK The result of this temporal breach was the entry of lower dimensional regressive aliens, seeking to conquer a higher dimensional plane of consciousness, that could then travel back in time to the very inception of human and other life. In the process, these "regressive aliens could then implant a regressive alien DNA matrix, that would result in the creation of a parallel space-time, controlled by the archons. Gnostics documented these aliens as seeking to "play God". Furthermore, by isolating Earth in an artificially generated universe, Collier and Dr. John Lash's research suggest that archons apparently hoped to inspire humans to create organized religions that sought to worship the "miracle of life" on Earth, and the faith-based 'faces' of the archons as "creators of the universe".

Gnostic insights documented by Dr. John Lash suggests that the biotic consciousness of Earth was brought from an apparent "organic universe" into a parallel imitation universe. Gnostics suggest that as a result of the same temporal interference alluded to by Alex Collier, Earth as an organic biotic consciousness was trapped into an inorganic "imitation" universe, that exists as an artificial copy of the "organic universe" in which human origins lie:

Gnostic teachings constantly emphasize that the Archons are imitators who cannot produce anything original, yet they arrogantly claim they can. The Lord Archon is called antimimon pneuma, "counterfeit spirit." (Apoc John III, 36:17. The term occurs several times in different texts.) The cosmos he produces is described by the Coptic term hal, "simulation." The vast planetary system of the Archons is a stereoma, a virtual reality projection in simulation of a higher dimensional pattern.


Typically, the Archontic framework of the planetary system has been depicted by "armillary bands" that surround the Earth. (Illustration from A. Cellarius, Harmonia Macrocosma, 1660.) Taken in many esoteric systems (Hermetics and Rosicrucianism) as the preeminent image of cosmic harmony, the model of the planetary spheres reflects a mindless imitation of divine design, not the living reality of the cosmos.



Yaldabaoth, the presumed all-mighty creator God, really creates nothing; instead, he copies from "archetypal" patterns in the Pleroma. The planetary stereoma of his making is like a plastic copy of an abalone shell. Only someone who does not know the reality of the abalone shell, and what living miracle of nature is required to produce it, would accept the plastic substitution. Here again, the cosmic- noetic parallel applies: Archons simulate in the cosmos at large, and they also simulate in the human mind. This is a key indication of their effect, a clue to their subtle intrusion tactics. LINK

The Gnostics describe the 'universe' beyond Earth as a "plastic copy" contrived by regressive aliens that attempt to mimic organic reality. Gnostics suggest that humans as a result of a time breach were trapped in an artificial universe that operates as sophisticated computer generated virtual reality ruse. According to investigative insights concerning DNA as a parasite, "junk DNA" is alien software written in an alien language. It is further argued by David Icke and others, that DNA fractals, reinforced by other alien "sacred geometry", represses the full awakening of the human consciousness. This described substantive DNA parasite prevents humans from readily seeing not only the artificiality of the universe beyond Earth, but also, according to Icke, alien shapeshifters; and humans from discerning regressive alien intrusions on the human mind, including value systems.

Alex Collier suggests that through DNA, regressive aliens:

[W]anted to hold us back was because they found out who we were on a soul level. Again, according to the Andromedans, we humans are part of a group of energies that they know of as the "Paa Tal". The reason that the Andromedans use the word Paa Tal, which is by the way a Draconian word, is because the Draconians have legends about warring with a race that was creating human life forms that were opposed to Draconian philosophy. The Paa Tal created life forms that could evolve on their own, with free expression. The Draconians, on the other hand, created races to function as a natural resource for their pleasure. So, you have two very different philosophies. LINK


Furthermore, Alex Collier alleges as a contactee:

Nigel Kerner, an investigative journalist, who is the son of a Naval Officer who served in South East Asia Command of the British Fleet, has extensively studied aliens that the Gnostics referred to as "artificial man" or "archons". He wrote a book about these regressive aliens. He affirms:

They [Draconians] have conquered many star systems and have genetically altered many of the life forms they have encountered. The area of the galaxy most densely populated with Draconian sub-races is in the Orion system, which is a huge system, and systems in Rigel and Capella.

The mind set or consciousness of the majority of races in these systems is Service- to-Self, and as such they are always invading, subverting and manipulating less advanced races, and using their technology for control and domination. This is a very old and ancient war, and the peace that does not exist is always being tested by these beings, who believe that fear rules, and love is weak.

They believe that those they perceive to be less fortunate, in comparison to them, are meant to be slaves. This belief system is promoted at birth in the reptilian races, wherein the mother, after giving birth, will abandon the offspring to fend for themselves. If they survive they are cared for by a warrior class that uses these children for games of combat and amusement. LINK

Alex Collier further stipulates:

"...The expression 'Draconian thought' is an expression on our world. I would suggest you research that." LINK

[T]here is no greater peril to their future welfare and indeed the welfare of all children in all human generations to come, than the danger these entities present to all sentient living beings in any planet that supports intelligent life. LINK


In book entitled Human Devolution, Michael A. Cremo documents humans as having existed on Earth for hundreds of millions of years. This evidence totally contradicts Darwinian evolution as well as religious 'Creationism'. Cremo then asks the question: "If we did not devolve up from apes then where did we come from". In answer to that question he comes to the conclusion that: "We did not evolve up from matter; instead we devolved, or came down, from the realm of pure consciousness, spirit". Six years previous to Cremo's book, when The Song Of The Greys was published, Nigel Kerner had come to the same conclusion. LINK



Cremo proposes that before we ask the question, "Where did human beings come from? we should first contemplate, "What is a human being?" Cremo asserts that humans are a combination of matter, mind, and consciousness (or spirit). LINK

In the book Life Itself: Its Origins and Nature (1981), Dr. Francis Crick -- a Nobel prize-winner and the co-founder of the shape of the DNA molecule -- claimed an advanced civilisation must have "transported" DNA as the "seeds of life" to Earth in a spacecraft. Nobel laureate Dr. Francis Crick who posited an extraterrestrial link to life on Earth, is not alone in this viewpoint within the scientific community. The same year that Life Itself was published (1981), Sir Fred Hoyle authored Life from Space, in which he took essentially the same position. In fact, in an article that year in Nature, he wrote:

"The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 noughts after it.... It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence." (Hoyle: 1981, 294:148).


Dr. Francis Crick was one of the two scientists who discovered the structure of DNA during the 1950's. Crick won the Nobel Prize for his work. Dr. Crick applied the same rigorous disciplinary standards to his Extraterrestrial link findings with DNA.

Scientists affirm that DNA is aperioedic crystal, that its structure (the way it is built) can be compared to crystal elements. For example, minerals like quartz and silicon are crystals. They are extraordinary conductors of information and energy.


It is then interesting to note that certain implants and psychotronic weapons that can influence the behaviour of human beings function on these crystal properties. LINK

Alex Collier suggests that regressive aliens constructed Human DNA from "22 races that included 17 human, the rest insectual, botanical and reptilian." LINK.

Dr. Lash furthermore postulates:

Could we then postulate that DNA, loaded with living memory of our "ancestors" and all species that have contributed to the development of homo sapiens sapiens, contain a series of instructions that generate our consciousness and our perception, somewhat in the way of an extremely sophisticated implant?


Today, the attribution of consciousness uniquely to the neurochemical activity of the brain constitutes a scientific dead end. Researchers have come to conceive the brain as a sort of combination of software and hardware with holographic properties.

Consciousness is not exclusive to the brain, which is rather a sort of broadcasting station, or an antenna for a station. In certain conspiracy literature, especially David Icke, this DNA is like the software that keeps us locked into a certain level of perception. Could DNA be the bars of our mental prison? LINK

Jeremy Narby, author of The Cosmic Serpent, points out that DNA has a serpentine form.

In shamanic vision under the effects of ayahuasca, DNA... is perceived as spirit or, more clearly, a multitude of spirits called Maninkaris. These spirits would have come to earth in the form of a shower of dark entities, a sort of cross between reptiles and whales, as described in a vision under ayahuasca by anthropologist Michael Harner:

First they showed me the planet earth as it was eons ago, before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land, and a bright blue sky. Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barran landscape. I could see the ‘specks’ were actually large, shiny, black creatures with stubbly pterodactl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies… They explained to me in a kind of thought language that they were fleeing from something out in space. They had come to the planet Earth to escape their enemy.

The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms and thus disguise their presence. Before me the magnificence of plant and animal creation and speciation – hundreds of millions of years of activity – took place on a scale and with a vividness impossible to describe. I learned that the dragon-like creatures were thus inside all forms of life, including man. (Cited by Narby, The Cosmic Serpent, p. 55)


Harner had this vision in 1961. Only in retrospect did he link these black dragons to DNA:

Certainly, Harner’s vision, typical of the kind experienced by Ashaninka Indians under the influence of an hallucinogenic potion, can be read at a metaphoric level, but it is also clear that the idea of the Maninkaris is fundamental to the Indians in the understanding of life. One of the jungle sorcerers Jeremy Narby met defined these entities: “They are invisible entities found in animals, plants, mountains, rivers, lakes and certain crystal rocks.”

Maninkari means “those who are hidden,” but who can be seen by ingesting tobacco and ayahuasca.

[T]he Maninkaris live in hiding, and they are dark beings who influence the behaviour of humans.

As for the flyers [alien DNA implants/inteceptors] according to Carlos Castaneda, they feed on the “luminous layers” of human consciousness, especially those of young people. The flyers leave nothing but a thin band of consciousness, just enough for the person to survive, until they come and get the rest, later on. Their activity is anything but positive. LINK


Could DNA fractals be what Metahistory.org writers suggest could be a regressive psychotronic weapon that works by effecting behaviour or inducing a state of virtual reality, analogous to the implants for jet pilots which can manage radar signals in the combat zone?

Nigel Kerner treats DNA as a matrix for the entire human body (brain and skeleton) to become a sort of "antenna" structure for alien eugenic repression and control. Dr. Lash further elaborates:

It is through this antenna that our consciousness manifests, but in a deformed and diminished manner. [T]his antenna suffers interference by parasitical entities, and so our consciousness is altered and manipulated in ways that make us suffer. LINK


Dr Lash suggests that the more our emotions operate in a chaotic and painful manner through prisms of fear, anger and violence, the more they influence our DNA, and the more our DNA reduces and conditions our perception in a really negative way.

Our level of awareness depends on DNA which interprets reality for us (with and through the brain), rather than showing us things as they really are. In his most recent book, Icke says that what we believe to be real is an illusion. He refers to “a voice in the head” that recalls what Castaneda says of the flyers: they think in our place, they make us react and condition our capacity to feel “reality.” LINK


Dr. Lash therefore suggests that a virtual reality purpose of DNA allows regressive aliens to operate beyond the perceptual capabilities of humans.

The phenomenon of shapeshifting has been carefully studied by Marie-Therese de Brosses, a French journalist who specializes in alien abductions, a writer, and tenacious investigator of anomalies. She reports an Australian case in which the abductee is told by a Grey: “We appear in the form you expect to see.” She has also reported the case of women who find their husbands, boyfriends, or even movie stars, in a flying saucer. After the sexual act and the extraction of tissue or ova, they realize that the husband, boyfriend, or actor is in reality an extraterrestrial. Marie Therese de Brosses reckons that this kind of ET phenomenon is very close to the manifestation of diabolic and [fallen] angelic entities in folk lore of the past. For her, “the parallel we can trace between ET apparitions, the Archons of the Gnostics and the flyers of Castaneda, is totally valid.” LINK


Peter Gariaev and his research colleagues indicate "junk" DNA is in fact a sophisticated fractal-based language that is similar to the language of holographic imaged that is based on principles of laser radiations of the genetic structures, and which operates together as a quasi-intelligent system. Peter Gariaev is renowned for his discovery of the "DNA Phantom Effect" and as one of the founders of Wave-based Genetics. Gariev's findings are consistent with the idea that DNA was constructed for alien biogenetic purposes. Nigel Kerner refers to this alien process of "genetic interception", and suggests that Gnostic identified "emotionless" cyborg-like aliens continue to abduct humans to pursue further genetic manipulations. There are numerous documented "experiencers" of such abductions detailed in part, on websites like ufoinfo.com. The late Harvard professor Dr. John E. Mack and other scholars have also detailed the accounts of "experiencers" of such abductions that detail traumatic experiences to forcibly extract DNA, including male sperm and female eggs for apparent genetic "cross-breeding" experiments. LINK.



Zecharia Sitchin and other researchers link the DNA double helix to regressive alien genetic manipulation and the apparent "sacred geometry" of that artificial intelligence that has been uncovered by archaeologists through artefacts.


Could it be that the function of DNA by regressive alien architects is to act like some kind of Trojan horse in a computer, that enables humans to be remotely controlled from expressing the biotic and spiritual potentials in human development? It may be critical for humans to further seek to critically appreciate the role of DNA as a potentially "regressive building block" of life on our planet Earth.

Humanity seems to desire conditions for social justice, environmental stewardship, peace, toward mutualistic Human Development. However, it also appears that humanity's pursuit of these Human Development targets are being undermined by an on-going struggle against its own spiritual and biological consciousness. Why? Could the double helix DNA matrix, as suggested by diverse scholars, have been substantively designed to undermine human sovereignty, while appearing to be "beneficial", and axiomatic to life? This is a question which might be worthwhile to consider.

[runciter]

The difference is spiritual, it's not physical at all.

it's something you're projecting on others, based on your beliefs.

[alienbeat]

it's something you're projecting on others, based on your beliefs.

It's a theory, I never claimed it was anything else.

Again, if you think this theory is so awful, why are you on this site? It's integral to Icke's worldview/teachings.

[runciter]

It's a theory, I never claimed it was anything else.

Again, if you think this theory is so awful, why are you on this site? It's integral to Icke's worldview/teachings.

a theory that tells more about you than about "the others".

again, if david thinks they're substantially different from me, i disagree, unless he can give some evidence.

[alienbeat]

a theory that tells more about you than about "the others".

again, if david thinks they're substantially different from me, i disagree, unless he can give some evidence.

There's plenty of evidence, re-read Icke's quotes that I posted in this thread.

It's a theory that can't be proven just like most of what's discussed on this site, if it bothers you, you can simply ignore this thread.

[runciter]

There's plenty of evidence, re-read Icke's quotes that I posted in this thread.

It's a theory that can't be proven just like most of what's discussed on this site, if it bothers you, you can simply ignore this thread.

there's plenty of evidence about people creating or believing bizarre theories.

yes, i can ignore this thread, but i can also comment on a "theory" (belief system) that portrays some humans as insects or objects.

[alienbeat]

there's plenty of evidence about people creating or believing bizarre theories.

yes, i can ignore this thread, but i can also comment on a "theory" (belief system) that portrays some humans as insects or objects.

No one ever said that. Let me repeat:

I was watching a nature show last night about animals and insects and it's simply mind-boggling what little tiny creatures can do but all of it seems to be programmed into them. If you multiply that a million times...

Here's a poster that claims that OPs can be human geniuses, it's mind-blowing to me that it can all be the result of a 'program':

If you read up on the organic portal theory, the ONLY difference is that they lack the crown chakra, heart chakra, and third eye. That's it. These higher chakras are interface point with the spirit, and they don't have spirits. All they have is an extension of a shared group soul, and for that the lower chakras are enough. They still have their own root, sexual, naval, solar plexus, and throat chakras.

Or if you go by the Fourth Way system, they are lacking in the higher emotional center, higher intellectual center, and magnetic center. But they do have a lower intellectual center, meaning they are very capable of being computational, mechanical, instrumental genius. However they don't have creative genius, because true creativity comes from spirit, intuition, inspiration, synchronicity, dreams, gnosis.

So OPs can be mechanical geniuses. They can be extremely mathematically astute scientists. They could be idiots savants memorizing all baseball statistics for the past hundred years. They could be the fastest guitar players in the world if they practiced. They could be olympic athletes. They can be the shrewdest entrepreneurs and build corporate empires.

But they are not creative geniuses. They won't be writing the newest, best, most empowering spiritual books. They won't be coming up with new forms of music, art, or science that actually go in a creative direction. Recycled new age fluff, slop on a canvas, or chaotic music for the sake of innovation, don't count since a monkey could 'create' these.

[runciter]

do they have a pineal gland?

[alienbeat]

do they have a pineal gland?

They have a normal body like everyone else, this is a spiritual thing. You're gong in circles and wasting time now. Nice chatting with you.

[beldazar]

They have a normal body like everyone else, this is a spiritual thing. You're gong in circles and wasting time now. Nice chatting with you.

Dont waste your time talking to Runciter, he has appointed himself as the forum's 'thought Police'. don't take it personally, we dont want to lose another forum member....:(

This a very interesting thread, one that I will be thinking about today.

[alienbeat]

Dont waste your time talking to Runciter, he has appointed himself as the forum's 'thought Police'. don't take it personally, we dont want to lose another forum member....:(

This a very interesting thread, one that I will be thinking about today.

I've put him on ignore.

If you like this current thread, this one is simply awesome:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3262&p=1

[runciter]

They have a normal body like everyone else, this is a spiritual thing. You're gong in circles and wasting time now. Nice chatting with you.

then your claim that they lack some chakras is baseless, just like every other aspect of your "theory".

it resembles a religious belief system: it requires faith, suspension of disbelief, and lack of critical thinking.

[runciter]

Dont waste your time talking to Runciter, he has appointed himself as the forum's 'thought Police'. don't take it personally, we dont want to lose another forum member....:(

This a very interesting thread, one that I will be thinking about today.

you can play the "who's an insect" game with people on the street, it must be funny.

[runciter]

I've put him on ignore.

If you like this current thread, this one is simply awesome:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3262&p=1

i forgot the fourth requirement: inability to withstand critical observations.

i see the same pattern repeating wherever these minion doctrines are promoted.

[curtaincat]

Dont waste your time talking to Runciter, he has appointed himself as the forum's 'thought Police'. don't take it personally, we dont want to lose another forum member....:(

This a very interesting thread, one that I will be thinking about today.

Yes, Runciter himself has said that he is analyzing every thread on this forum, he is checking everyone out and wants to make some theory, or something.

so that is fair enough, i suppose. He is searching around, but at the same time, exactly what you said, he thinks he is a 'thought police' , so i just kinda hope that people realise that when they respond, because he could scare off some nice people , whether by accident or intention, who can say...

I am interested in alienbeats thread.
question anything that you want. :)
that is why we are here , to question .

[beldazar]

you can play the "who's an insect" game with people on the street, it must be funny.

Or who out of the forum members is possibly a classic example of a 'red-dress programme' :p



Thanks for the link Alienbeat, I will check that one out :)

[alienbeat]

Thanks for the link Alienbeat, I will check that one out :)

You're welcome, that other thread gets an A+ this one gets a C-. :D

[biblegirl]

Geez this thread got long really fast. I got through all the information on red dresses (sorry beldezar, haven't read that whole DNA article yet, but def looks interesting! i'm glad you posted it :)).

So I think I see what you're getting at here alienbeat. I will address these posts of yours, then go back to that long excerpt from Icke's book, because that was also some great info. Thanks for those explanations of red dress people, I think I've known about it to some extent, but not quite like detailed here.

Actually, I'm saying no more than Icke said in the quote I posted above. The realization I've had is that animals and insects are probably the same kind of holographic 'illusions' as what Icke calls 'red dress programs'.

In other words, I will not argue the merits of the theory, I want to chat about the theory. Does that make sense?

Hmm, I do think that animals and insects have a spirit. I think they are part of this earth and the infinite consciousness or whatever it's called lol. That I can communicate with them telepathically kind of proves to me that yes they have consciousness. I believe however, that animals who are genetically altered to some degrees, have the consciousness bred out of them so to speak, and can be a part of your red dress program. For instance pigs, which if they are a human/wild boar hybrid...according to transgenics researchers: animals have an animal spirit, humans have a human spirit, but when you combine the two you get a spiritless creature, which is left "vacant" to be taken over, or used as a puppet, by some other spirit. So, has anyone felt a connection/ had a telepathic communication with pigs? That would be one of my questions. That was just an example of a genetically tampered creature that might be devoid of consciousness because of the DNA contamination.

I think genetic tampering with humans can probably have the same results (clones being the obvious example).

Here's my view on this:

The OP theory helps us to understand our lives and gives us peace of mind. I've believed the theory's true for a long time but I also believe firmly that you never know for sure who the OPs are so you must treat everyone equally.

What about it gives me peace of mind? When I see religious zealots who talk about peace and love but support war (Christians and Bush), I can understand that most of them are probably not conscious. They are used by the matrix to entrap the rest of us in the matrix. I used to wonder how a human being could have such obviously contradictory beliefs as Christian neocons but this theory gives me some understanding and closure as to how that's possible.


Since I come from this background maybe I can shed some light on this. I'm afraid the christians you are referring to, do in fact have consciousness...I understand that you don't see how some people can actually believe those things :D, and I won't take it personally cause I can see you're the genuine sort not trying to launch an attack here, just honestly questioning can these people be for real. Yes they are. How do I know? Because I was one, and my family and friends were these christians as well. I can assure you they are not of the red dress variety, they do in fact have consciousness, but are stuck in the #2 description in Icke's book, like most of the other people in the world. I would however question if the public church figures like Billy Graham, the Purpose Driven Life guy, etc. are the red dress people you mention. This is definitely possible IMO, especially because when I look at some of these people, I can just tell the lights are on but no one's home, know what I mean? I would guess, though, that your standard on the street christian is part of the consciousness, they are just living according to their christian programming and fighting the free will part of themselves as the "sinful man".

It's not a problem at all. I believe, personally, that there are either:

A. Not enough souls are available for all the human beings that are born into every family on Earth. or

B. There are certain families that no one wants to be born into (or possibly no one DESERVES to be born into these families)

So, the matrix creates a 'red dress program'/organic portal to be born into these families.

Thus, the matrix system on earth keeps zipping right along. Every pregnant woman has a child in her belly but is there a real soul attached to that child or is it a 'red dress program'/organic portal?

Yeah I wouldn't know about this, I would think (or at least hope) that the OPs come mostly from genetic tampering facilities, labs, underground, etc. to make puppets for the loomies. You mean people are born naturally this way? Hmm I couldn't say. Sounds unlikely, but I am a little new to this topic so maybe these OPs are more common than I think ???


About the last part, it's complicated, imho. I believe that some animals may have souls that have been humans before so that might help explain the last part of your post.

Do humans come back as animals? I don't know, but I can tell that most animals do have consciousness, and no I can't kill a spider either.

So what do you think alienbeat, do you suppose red dress programs can communicate telepathically, or does that require the link to spirit/consciousness?

[runciter]

Yes, Runciter himself has said that he is analyzing every thread on this forum, he is checking everyone out and wants to make some theory, or something.

so that is fair enough, i suppose. He is searching around, but at the same time, exactly what you said, he thinks he is a 'thought police' , so i just kinda hope that people realise that when they respond, because he could scare off some nice people , whether by accident or intention, who can say...

I am interested in alienbeats thread.
question anything that you want. :)
that is why we are here , to question .

we must have met in another dimension, i don't remember writing anything like that.

we are human, they are cattle.

how surprising that someone may feel uneasy reading stuff like this, it's all soo innocent.

[measle_weasel]

I think they are a type of 'red dress programs'/organic portals. I think we can learn about what human 'red dress programs'/organic portals are by studying animals and insects.

What do you think?

I think the idea of non-human animals not having a consciousness is absolutely ridiculous, and only comes from people who have been indoctrinated to believe such, or have come to the conclusion on their own based on their personal feelings of superiority over all other forms of life. Such thoughts and beliefs are really a product of excessive hubris rather than any relatively objective, logical deduction.

[runciter]

Or who out of the forum members is possibly a classic example of a 'red-dress programme' :p

consider me an ant, i'm unable to feel metaphysically different from any other human being.

[runciter]

I think the idea of non-human animals not having a consciousness is absolutely ridiculous, and only comes from people who have been indoctrinated to believe such, or have come to the conclusion on their own based on their personal feelings of superiority over all other forms of life. Such thoughts and beliefs are really a product of excessive hubris rather than any relatively objective, logical deduction.

i agree with you, but the first step should be to consider all human beings as equal.

we will hardly be able to identify with life in all its forms, if we don't understand ourselves.

[biblegirl]

1) First there are the software programs whose only consciousness is the DNA/RNA receiving instructions from the Matrix. They are constructs of mind, not consciousness. All energy/consciousness is Infinite Oneness, but not all expressions of this are at the same level of awareness. The 'human' interactive software programs are sophisticated robots following a 'life' program dictated by the Matrix and their free will is basically zilch. I'm sure you must have met many. They appear to be the same as everyone else in the way they look, but the best special effects studios can now put digital 'people' into advertisements and you can't see the join. There is a television presenter in Britain who is famous for being enormous and she appeared in a commercial with a far slimmer body to sell a food product. You could not see the join and anyone who didn't know what she really looked like would believe the body in the ad was hers. This is why we have to be extremely wary about 'Bin Laden' videos that suddenly come to light at just the right time from the agenda's point of view. Producing a fake Bin Laden saying fake words is a cinch to the state-of-the-art special effects houses. The same principle applies with these 'Red Dress' programs, as I will call them. They are bodies without consciousness, interactive software programs. The lifeless look in their eyes is one way of picking them out, as is the lack of energy coming from them. They resonate to a different frequency to conscious awareness and again you can symbolise them as the horses on the carousel with no one on board. These interactive software programs can malfunction, go off message, and 'hack' into other programs - as with the Agent Smith character in the Matrix movies. A lot of that is going on, too.

2) Other people do have consciousness, but are so entranced and deluded by the Matrix that their DNA programming calls the shots and dictates the path that they take. These horses do have a rider, but the horse is still making the decisions. They go where the DNA program takes them because they don't think they have a choice or don't choose to make one. They can be lovely, caring people and express their consciousness in that way, but they can't see beyond the illusion. These are the main energy source for the Matrix because it feeds off the emotional energies of fear, guilt, and frustration etc., generated by consciousness trapped in this virtual reality prison and identifying with its programmed 'personality'. Once consciousness identifies with the mind and emotions - the software - it begins to resonate to those frequencies and this invariably means an expression of fear. These people, with what you might call 'back seat consciousness', also represent by far the biggest section of 'conscious' humanity. They are the system fodder who overwhelmingly do and think as they are told.

3) The third, and by far the smallest, group are those who are aware enough to see through the illusion and have begun to access the knowing of Infinite Oneness beyond the walls of the software program. This doesn't mean they understand the full nature of life and reality, but they have at least a subconscious knowing that the world is not as it seems. They are the only ones with free will in the sense that they have the awareness and power of consciousness to break the control of the DNA software. They can ride the horse and, in doing so, rewrite the program. These people stand out from the crowd and are dubbed dangerous or mad because they don't see the world like everyone else. The Matrix is a six- stone weakling compared with consciousness in its true power, and this group is like a computer virus that has the means to scramble the program and download another reality. The Matrix targets these people with a vengeance to protect its control and also because if it can manipulate this level of consciousness to become caught in the illusions and succumb to fear, it is a massive potential energy source.

Group 1 sounds like it applies more to public figures and the elite than it does to ordinary humans reproducing.

Group 2 sounds like what makes up the vast majority of humans...weren't we all in this group at some point in our lives, before our "awakening"?

and

Group 3 describes a minority, and includes I'm sure most people on this forum, who are here to learn more about the truth because something inside them knows it is an illusion. I think a few people are born like this, but mostly people come to this point later in life.

I will admit that I was the Group 2 variety for 25 years. I even felt like a robot, going through all the pre-programmed responses. When I got out of it, even though it sounds crazy, I explained it this way: I felt like SOMEONE ELSE was living MY LIFE. There were a few times I expressed free will and the real me came through, but those times were so few because of my programming. I was gradually able to snap awake and realize it was all a sham, but the real me was there ALL THE TIME, I just didn't know it was the real me :p. It felt great to take my life back over, and now I even know and remember things I shouldn't possibly know. I would consider this my consciousness taking over, and advancing me into group 3. Before that, I was just a part of the program unknowingly stifling my consciousness.

[alienbeat]

Yeah I wouldn't know about this, I would think (or at least hope) that the OPs come mostly from genetic tampering facilities, labs, underground, etc. to make puppets for the loomies. You mean people are born naturally this way? Hmm I couldn't say. Sounds unlikely, but I am a little new to this topic so maybe these OPs are more common than I think ???


I believe that OPs are born naturally the way they are for the reasons I said. I think that OPs may be the majority of humanity.

But, this is just a theory and it could be way off. I think it's just as likely to say that OPs are very young souls and therefore undeveloped. What we call OPs could also be sleeping souls or they could be people who once had a soul but their soul has left their body. They could also be 'red dress programs' who only appear to be people to us in this reality.

It could be a combination of all of those things or the theory could be way off.

If you're interested in this topic, this thread is fantastic, imho:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3262&p=1


Do humans come back as animals? I don't know, but I can tell that most animals do have consciousness, and no I can't kill a spider either.


It makes sense to me that humans could come back as animals, it's the Buddhist idea. It's just my opinion that it makes sense.

Insects and animals have consciousness possibly in the same way OPs theoretically do. Let me repeat this post because it might give you some insight on this topic:

If you read up on the organic portal theory, the ONLY difference is that they lack the crown chakra, heart chakra, and third eye. That's it. These higher chakras are interface point with the spirit, and they don't have spirits. All they have is an extension of a shared group soul, and for that the lower chakras are enough. They still have their own root, sexual, naval, solar plexus, and throat chakras.

Or if you go by the Fourth Way system, they are lacking in the higher emotional center, higher intellectual center, and magnetic center. But they do have a lower intellectual center, meaning they are very capable of being computational, mechanical, instrumental genius. However they don't have creative genius, because true creativity comes from spirit, intuition, inspiration, synchronicity, dreams, gnosis.

So OPs can be mechanical geniuses. They can be extremely mathematically astute scientists. They could be idiots savants memorizing all baseball statistics for the past hundred years. They could be the fastest guitar players in the world if they practiced. They could be olympic athletes. They can be the shrewdest entrepreneurs and build corporate empires.

But they are not creative geniuses. They won't be writing the newest, best, most empowering spiritual books. They won't be coming up with new forms of music, art, or science that actually go in a creative direction. Recycled new age fluff, slop on a canvas, or chaotic music for the sake of innovation, don't count since a monkey could 'create' these.


So what do you think alienbeat, do you suppose red dress programs can communicate telepathically, or does that require the link to spirit/consciousness?

Absolutely, they theoretically have a hive consciousness so that's part of their natural capability, imho. I've seen that first hand, it's chilling.

If you're still interested in this theory, I enjoyed this article:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/organic_portals.htm

[measle_weasel]

Dont waste your time talking to Runciter, he has appointed himself as the forum's 'thought Police'. don't take it personally, we dont want to lose another forum member....:(

This a very interesting thread, one that I will be thinking about today.

Theories are meant to be challenged. Calling someone the "thought police" for challenging a theory and/or questioning it for more detail, is double think. If anything, you are acting the part of the thought police by trying to silence any debate concerning the validity of such a theory as posited by the OP.

[runciter]

There's consciousness working there but no spirit, that's the theory.


when someone promotes a theory like this, i begin wondering about his "spirit".

[alienbeat]

It felt great to take my life back over, and now I even know and remember things I shouldn't possibly know. I would consider this my consciousness taking over, and advancing me into group 3. Before that, I was just a part of the program unknowingly stifling my consciousness.

I know that feeling. I was in a tiny box before, now the box is getting bigger and bigger. I'm expanding the box, it's a great feeling.

[alienbeat]

Theories are meant to be challenged. Calling someone the "thought police" for challenging a theory and/or questioning it for more detail, is double think. If anything, you are acting the part of the thought police by trying to silence any debate concerning the validity of such a theory as posited by the OP.

I've started several threads on this topic at other forums and I've never had the negative reaction that I'm getting here. It's a David Icke forum. I thought this is a key part of Icke's teachings.

I'm getting the feeling quite a few people here don't understand Icke's teachings, how strange. Go over to god like productions.com and start a thread on organic portals and no one will challenge the theory, I'm shocked that's happening on the Icke board.

Challenging a theory is fine but I'm here to discuss the finer points of one of Icke's most interesting teachings (he teaches it as fact not theory remember), I thought that's a main function of this site? :confused:

[runciter]

the fact that you removed from your post the sentence i quoted suggests me that

1. i'm not on ignore

2. you're looking for followers to your cult

[beldazar]

Theories are meant to be challenged. Calling someone the "thought police" for challenging a theory and/or questioning it for more detail, is double think. If anything, you are acting the part of the thought police by trying to silence any debate concerning the validity of such a theory as posited by the OP.

Runciter knows what I'm on about.

You don't

[amethyst]

Animals could commmunicate with humans at one time....there was a talking donkey in scripture

Animals: furry little (and big) beings (friends) :) with (feelings) "consciences"

Insects: hard shelled beings ....they probably have some sort of insect 'conscience" or intelligence

[runciter]

I've started several threads on this topic at other forums and I've never had the negative reaction that I'm getting here. It's a David Icke forum. I thought this is a key part of Icke's teachings.

I'm getting the feeling quite a few people here don't understand Icke's teachings, how strange. Go over to god like productions.com and start a thread on organic portals and no one will challenge the theory, I'm shocked that's happening on the Icke board.

Challenging a theory is fine but I'm here to discuss the finer points of one of Icke's most interesting teachings (he teaches it as fact not theory remember), I thought that's a main function of this site? :confused:

gut like productions is tavistock.

did icke base this theory on channeled information?

do you think he would be glad to see his ideas followed blindly, as dogmas?

[measle_weasel]

Runciter knows what I'm on about.

You don't

If only you and runciter know what you are talking about, and dont want anyone else to comment on your posts, then you should consider sending him a PM.

[runciter]

Runciter knows what I'm on about.

You don't

will we ever know for sure who was wrong in that thread?

i'm still thinking about it, i feel sorry for the man but not for his ideas.

[mountain]

Here's my view on this:

The OP theory helps us to understand our lives and gives us peace of mind. I've believed the theory's true for a long time but I also believe firmly that you never know for sure who the OPs are so you must treat everyone equally.

What about it gives me peace of mind? When I see religious zealots who talk about peace and love but support war (Christians and Bush), I can understand that most of them are probably not conscious. They are used by the matrix to entrap the rest of us in the matrix. I used to wonder how a human being could have such obviously contradictory beliefs as Christian neocons but this theory gives me some understanding and closure as to how that's possible.

Everything I just typed is right in line with Icke's teachings. If you think it's a sign of a superiority complex or it's bad somehow, please tell everyone about how Icke is wrong.

People like that are called 'gatekeepers' a term by Icke - further policing the herd he says.....

As for animals and insects, well I believe they all have souls and are more in tune with Earth and they live accordingly. I believe the Earth herself has a soul. I sometimes feel her heart beating along with mines so I am convinced but yes these are only my beliefs.

What I admire about some animals, say birds and whales is that they choose a lifelong mate and are very loyal :)

[beldazar]

If only you and runciter know what you are talking about, and dont want anyone else to comment on your posts, then you should consider sending him a PM.

Yeah fair enough and Im sorry it appears if I'm derailing the thread.

I'm very interested in the idea of 'red-dress programmes' and I dont see it as any 'heirarchy' or 'I'm better or more evolved than you' type of situation that I got with The Moral Man's Matrix 5 thread, although it seems similar.
In fact to me it makes a lot of sense.
I feel there are very few that come under the first category and these are probably the ones that turn the second category into the first through torture, sexual abuse, fear, mind-control etc...the same as a consiousness being born into an abusive home can have that element of him run out by abuse from the parents etc...
And the second category can prevent the third category from going anywhere. (as many here would agree with)

Alienbeat started this thread to discuss the animal and insect kingdom and whether these were basic constructs of the matrix virtual reality programme (i.e category 1) This wasn't a thread discussing the idea of red-dress programmes but it quickly turned into that.

I've seen this happen so many times, someone wants a discussion of the various aspects of what they have come to understand only to have people come on completely dismissing the subject matter at hand.
I just think its a real shame as it can upset the OP. and the point of the thread is lost.

Anyway, sorry Alienbeat, I'm not helping much.I will read that link after my dinner.

And P.S Christians aint so bad, gonna do as a christian does and practise the art of forgiveness........doesnt help bearing grudges.

[les_paul_robot]

Absolutely, they theoretically have a hive consciousness so that's part of their natural capability, imho. I've seen that first hand, it's chilling.This I'm interested in.
What did you see? Some chav deciding what white trainers to wear by tuning into the thoughts of other chavs?
(No offence to any chavs here)

[runciter]

Alienbeat started this thread to discuss the animal and insect kingdom and whether these were basic constructs of the matrix virtual reality programme (i.e category 1) This wasn't a thread discussing the idea of red-dress programmes but it quickly turned into that.

I've seen this happen so many times, someone wants a discussion of the various aspects of what they have come to understand only to have people come on completely dismissing the subject matter at hand.
I just think its a real shame as it can upset the OP. and the point of the thread is lost.

this is the opening post

I think they are a type of 'red dress programs'/organic portals. I think we can learn about what human 'red dress programs'/organic portals are by studying animals and insects.

What do you think?

[beldazar]

this is the opening post

erm...yes I know but doesnt that mean that the idea of some 'humans' being red-dress programmes has already been established?

Why are you nit-picking?

[runciter]

erm...yes I know but doesnt that mean that the idea of some 'humans' being red-dress programmes has already been established?

Why are you nit-picking?

is this a private room for the followers of the red dress cult? :)

i see a question in the opening post, and how misleading is the thread title?

subtle manipulation or coincidence?

[beldazar]

is this a private room for the followers of the red dress cult? :)




No because that would mean that you would be the only member :D

[danceswithbunnies]

Red dress...NO

humans are their own red dress programs..you don't need to blame it on innocent creatures.

I would turn that around and say that the eons of ferocity of humans has polluted the collective unconscious to such an extent that it shows up in animals.

[rodin]

no.

who are these sub-human beings, according to your theory?
Heres a few soulless creatures that fit the bill

http://www.600.org/tv_stars/pictures/donald_trump.jpghttp://nyfi.observer.com/files/article/silverstein.jpghttp://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2008/Oct/Week1/15113507.jpg
http://www.engology.com/images/deripaska.jpghttp://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/oct2008/nat-rothschild.jpg