All the hate on this forum is bringing us down!

[edelweiss pirate]

I read this forum because there's always a lot of activity in the Religions sections and I enjoy the back and forth chit chat.

However I have lately observed that most of what is posted here is about hate.

The word 'hate' is thrown around with no thought for the consequences, noone cares who they insult and attack because they belong to a certain religion and so they have an excuse to 'hate' them.

Guys, is this how you want to live your lives?

I always feel a cold coming on after reading through these posts, I realise that my energy levels are being depleted by all this negativity and personal attacks.

Anyway, that's my point made. I'll be staying away from this particular forum from now on as there's nothing to be gained by wallowing in hatred, you just end up covered in it....

I recommend any who values their health also abandon the Religion forum as there's nothing very nice here. You'll be glad you did.

Leave it to the haters. Let them wallow in their anger, they deserve it.

People who hate Jesus, Mohammed or whoever.... Just let them. It's a pointless exercise to try to convince them otherwise. It's virtually impossible, people only learn through personal experience. Those of us who revere the great prophets have had that experience, those who haven't haven't.

Trying to explain a personal experience so someone else will experience it is time wasted and only seems to get some people cross.

Leave 'em to it.

Shame though, there's some great people who post here, I'll miss you!

[fallensoul]

Could it be that this is your opinion, how bout you make a poll. I had many great debates here, and learned alot.

Maybe the victim mentality you revere so much is just affecting you way more than you would like to admit.

[seanx]

What you really mean is we have the nerve to QUESTION your religious beliefs!!

And if we do and expose it as nonsense in a lot of cases, you term
that 'hate'?

Remember what forum you are on, mate ....and Icke is one of the
biggest critics of your man-made religion and its distortion of
the nature of God.

[nihil]

I'm with you, just focus on some good threads and... don't feed the masons :p

[mightyoak]

exactly dont know why so many religious people come here anyway PROBLEE looking for converts........ Or even acceptance :D

[lightgiver]

What you really mean is we have the nerve to QUESTION your religious beliefs!!

And if we do and expose it as nonsense in a lot of cases, you term
that 'hate'?

Remember what forum you are on, mate ....and Icke is one of the
biggest critics of your man-made religion and its distortion of
the nature of God.

Yes and does not always get it right ,especially about shaved heads:rolleyes:

and nicks chakras from religion,oh the irony of it all.

[manxboz]

All this neagtive energy flowing both ways.Whilst we're at it both parties are in the wrong. Whilst 'exspoing' their beliefs you aren't respecting them. Whilst those that are defending their beliefs are throwing horrible things at the accusers. It's not right those that are defending should so love and compassion and those that are attacking should show respect for people who have a belief.

[reality man]

Edelweiss pirate,

No offence - really none meant - but you must live a very sheltered life if all it takes is the expressed observations of us within this forum to make you feel so bad. To be affected in such a way as you decribe by something as simple as this forum - well then - I must tell you never to venture too far out into the real world, because life out there will scare the hell out of you, if all it takes is this forum to deplete your energy so much that it makes you feel ill.

On some level I actually envy you - because perhaps you have been wrapped in a ball of cotton wool all of your life - perhaps you have been thrown no REAL challenges in life - perhaps you have not learned to grow through facing that which we do not really want to face?

In that case is it any wonder you run to the comforting and "secure" field of religon, and hand your own inner srength and power over to historical teachers. Pay them thier respects - yes - but don't insult thier memory by glueing yourself to thier apron strings forever - afterall, are we not meant to transcend the need for the teacher, and to find God within ourselves?

No offense intended - but grow up - and wake up - start living in the REAL world my friend, and let life teach you it's beautiful lessons - only then will you really be able to grow out of your little sheltered coccoon.

[skunksmash]

i cant say ive noticed an increase in hatred..?? :confused:



:)SK

[armoured_amazon]

Good thread. I agree. There's nothing to be gained from debating with people whose intention is to create unrest. There is plenty to read and involve oneself in on other parts of the site.

:)

[miracles]

I read this forum because there's always a lot of activity in the Religions sections and I enjoy the back and forth chit chat.

However I have lately observed that most of what is posted here is about hate.

The word 'hate' is thrown around with no thought for the consequences, noone cares who they insult and attack because they belong to a certain religion and so they have an excuse to 'hate' them.

Guys, is this how you want to live your lives?

I always feel a cold coming on after reading through these posts, I realise that my energy levels are being depleted by all this negativity and personal attacks.

Anyway, that's my point made. I'll be staying away from this particular forum from now on as there's nothing to be gained by wallowing in hatred, you just end up covered in it....

I recommend any who values their health also abandon the Religion forum as there's nothing very nice here. You'll be glad you did.

Leave it to the haters. Let them wallow in their anger, they deserve it.

People who hate Jesus, Mohammed or whoever.... Just let them. It's a pointless exercise to try to convince them otherwise. It's virtually impossible, people only learn through personal experience. Those of us who revere the great prophets have had that experience, those who haven't haven't.

Trying to explain a personal experience so someone else will experience it is time wasted and only seems to get some people cross.

Leave 'em to it.

Shame though, there's some great people who post here, I'll miss you!

Do you think what goes on in forum land is living your life??? Hey take a break if you need to but keep things in perspective, religion will always be an area of heated debate.

[synergy777]

edel take a break bro.

all i ask is that those who oppose religion, give me their views, they must have an alternative view on things. why don't they share their views/beliefs. its easy to criticise religion, its harder to provide an alternative.

thus again to all the anti-religous posters, please share your views, i want to understand where you are coming from, and what you believe in.

[geolaureate8]

Religion = hate in disquise. It's time we remove it. Religion deserves the attacks made against it.

[marpat]

i cant say ive noticed an increase in hatred..?? :confused:



:)SK

Are you sure?

I have had threats of violence made against me by a certain thug and he thinks he is on the good side. Makes you wonder what his good side represents, do as I say or get battered :D

[synergy777]

Religion = hate in disquise. It's time we remove it. Religion deserves the attacks made against it.

thats a very limted viewpoint, a justifible one, considering the crimes commited in the name of religion.

however with further knowledge, one transcends this limited/myopic viewpoint.

isn't it funny, how people who hate religion, due to its negative actions,

often replicate these very negative actions in attacking religion, lol

life is funny.

[marpat]

Religion = hate in disquise. It's time we remove it. Religion deserves the attacks made against it.

So when religions speaks of love and compassion for others then that is hate?

[synergy777]

So when religions speaks of love and compassion for others then that is hate?

nice 1 bro, me thinks you got him there.

[geolaureate8]

So when religions speaks of love and compassion for others then that is hate?

That's called picking and choosing. Pastors will general preach only the pleasant parts of the Bible. What about when Yahweh destroyed 1 million Ethiopians? What about when he said "the Lord is a man of war. the Lord is his name." What about when God gave Moses the commandments about not killing, and then tried to kill Moses because his son wasn't circumsized. What about all the people Yahweh burned to death?

So the religious leaders will generally sugarcoat it and conceal the bad stuff, which is the majority of it. Though actually, I still see even the grusome parts preached like condemning or warning about Hellfire.

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[geolaureate8]

thats a very limted viewpoint, a justifible one, considering the crimes commited in the name of religion.

however with further knowledge, one transcends this limited/myopic viewpoint.

isn't it funny, how people who hate religion, due to its negative actions,

often replicate these very negative actions in attacking religion, lol

life is funny.

That's besides the point. I don't hate religion due to it's negative actions. It's because religion preaches about a perfectly good, omnibenevolent god, who at the same time likes to kill for fun and then sentence eternal, unjust damnation. It's more of the hypocrisy and twisted philosophy. I think Halloween is a good movie and I don't hate it's negativity and violence, because it doesn't claim to be all-loving, and a supreme moral code. The Bible does.

You wanna know what's hypocritical? Christians who criticize Nazi's for following Hitler. They didn't stop to realize that Yahweh performed a global genocide so brutal, Hitler would be shaking in his boots.

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[synergy777]

That's called picking and choosing. Pastors will general preach only the pleasant parts of the Bible. What about when Yahweh destroyed 1 million Ethiopians? What about when he said "the Lord is a man of war. the Lord is his name." What about when God gave Moses the commandments about not killing, and then tried to kill Moses because his son wasn't circumsized. What about all the people Yahweh burned to death?

So the religious leaders will generally sugarcoat it and conceal the bad stuff, which is the majority of it. Though actually, I still see even the grusome parts preached like condemning or warning about Hellfire.

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very good points bro.

however, do we know that god actually sanctioned/said this, or did the priests write it, in order to justify their actions.

religions has flaws, its after all a fusion of history, esoteric/occult, and philosophy etc.

however to label all of it as evil is myopic, as every subject/field of knowledge, has flaws/inaccuracies and corruption.

ask yourself, if god said do not kill, if jesus said love one another, then how could he contradict himself and say kill people etc.

look i am no fan of the corrupt clergy, i do not trust them, i know of their deception eg council of nicea, cesare borgia etc.

however i do believe in god, jesus etc. sometimes i too question it, but we must still carry on trying to find truth.

after all the church used the curse of ham, as justification for slavery/racism, when in fact most people in the bible were brown skinned/middle eastern.

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also the whole yahweh thing, there are debates about that, some say its just yah/jah, and that yahweh was actually the devil, acting as god. some say yahweh/jehovah is actually the devil, thus one could see why the evil actions you speak off in the bible were carried out.

thus causing people to rightly question the loving nature of god, when these evil actions were " allegedly " sanctioned by god.

i think the devil, transforming himself into an angel of light/lucifer, acted as god, and told people to do evil things. and people wrongly believing he was god, did these things out of fear.

just like kings, leaders, have made themseves out be good, when in fact they were evil eg hitler.

[geolaureate8]

very good points bro.

however, do we know that god actually sanctioned/said this, or did the priests write it, in order to justify their actions.

religions has flaws, its after all a fusion of history, esoteric/occult, and philosophy etc.

however to label all of it as evil is myopic, as every subject/field of knowledge, has flaws/inaccuracies and corruption.

ask yourself, if god said do not kill, if jesus said love one another, then how could he contradict himself and say kill people etc.

look i am no fan of the corrupt clergy, i do not trust them, i know of their deception eg council of nicea, cesare borgia etc.

however i do believe in god, jesus etc. sometimes i too question it, but we must still carry on trying to find truth.

after all the church used the curse of ham, as justification for slavery/racism, when in fact most people in the bible were brown skinned/middle eastern.

I see where you're coming from here. I'm all for the esoteric and gnostic traditions. It's the exoteric, mainstream religion I disagree with.

I think David Icke summed it up pretty well here:

“...there are still truths in the Bible and many other ancient texts despite what religions have done to destroy and
debase them. Religious dogma and myth have been used very successfully either to suppress understanding or to
twist the truth sufficiently to turn something positive into something negative.” - David Icke

[synergy777]

I see where you're coming from here. I'm all for the esoteric and gnostic traditions. It's the exoteric, mainstream religion I disagree with.

I think David Icke summed it up pretty well here:

“...there are still truths in the Bible and many other ancient texts despite what religions have done to destroy and debase them. Religious dogma and myth have been used very successfully either to suppress understanding or to twist the truth sufficiently to turn something positive into something negative.” - David Icke

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good icke quote, he has it spot on.

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also the whole yahweh thing, there are debates about that, some say its just yah/jah, and that yahweh was actually the devil, acting as god. some say yahweh/jehovah is actually the devil, thus one could see why the evil actions you speak off in the bible were carried out.

thus causing people to rightly question the loving nature of god, when these evil actions were " allegedly " sanctioned by god.

i think the devil, transforming himself into an angel of light/lucifer, acted as god, and told people to do evil things. and people wrongly believing he was god, did these things out of fear.

just like kings, leaders, have made themseves out be good, when in fact they were evil eg hitler.

[miracles]

Religion = hate in disquise. It's time we remove it. Religion deserves the attacks made against it.

IE hate religious people, well thats logical, NOT.

[fallensoul]

Lets adapt the philosophy from a slayer song:


Man made virus infecting the world
Self-destruct human time bomb
What if there is no God would you think the fuckin' same
Wasting your life in a leap of blind faith
Wake the fuck up can't ignore what I say
I got my own philosophy

I hate everyone equally
You can't tear that out of me
No segregation -separation
Just me in my world of enemies

I never said I wanted to be God's disciple
I'll never be the one to blindly follow
I'll never be the one to bear the cross-disciple

I reject this fuckin' race
I despise this fuckin' place

haha

[miracles]

edel take a break bro.

all i ask is that those who oppose religion, give me their views, they must have an alternative view on things. why don't they share their views/beliefs. its easy to criticise religion, its harder to provide an alternative.

thus again to all the anti-religous posters, please share your views, i want to understand where you are coming from, and what you believe in.

Exactly, but they never do have views we only get what they dont believe. It's all just farts blowing in the wind

[edelweiss pirate]

Exactly, but they never do have views we only get what they dont believe. It's all just farts blowing in the wind

Exactly, there's nothing positive coming from them. It's all about what they hate on and on and on...

Why are they so evasive and secretive about what they believe? Are they under some oath of secrecy or something?

[edelweiss pirate]

Lets adapt the philosophy from a slayer song:



haha

HAHA! I knew you got your philosphy from death-metal!

Hardly a cogent basis for rational understanding of the complexity of society and humanity.....

This coming from a band who wrote a song called Reign in Blood?

Nice. Pure Satanism mate. Njoy your despair, there is a brighter to side to life if you can break you death-metal satanic brainwashing.

[tannah]

Exactly, there's nothing positive coming from them. It's all about what they hate on and on and on...

Why are they so evasive and secretive about what they believe? Are they under some oath of secrecy or something?

It's a bit sad you expressing this view, especially to this miracle man of all people, the henchman of God.

No one is being evasive. If a beleif doesn't stand up to scrutiny, be man enough to see it. I've expressed my views. They are there to be scrutinized. Whatever you wish.

[miracles]

Exactly, there's nothing positive coming from them. It's all about what they hate on and on and on...

Why are they so evasive and secretive about what they believe? Are they under some oath of secrecy or something?

I have no idea buddy, perhaps their world view and life style is being challenged and they are trying to find a loophole. A lot of people think they will have to give up to much to give their life to God, they dont realise its the opposite.

[tannah]

I have no idea buddy, perhaps their world view and life style is being challenged and they are trying to find a loophole.

LOL!!!!! Ironic.:D

[fallensoul]

I don't believe in anything, but really I try to know things instead of believing. And I believe in myself as my own guide, I know what is best for me.

Try challenge these beliefs. That's the thing I cannot be offended for my beliefs, I have none.

Amidst the mayhem we must all find our place
I know my way just read the smile on my face
No need for God or salvation
Stay on my path of dedication
You seek the light in vain, I rest my case

I commit the sin of being myself, not following any beliefs pushed outside myself, I define my reality via researching the world and everything in it, those who know less can not see so much so they can not relate to how I view the world. You see it is like a puzzle, no matter how much you know you can keep adding the pieces, and so far it is magnificent. You cannot truely see any reality without facing reality, studying every aspect of it. There is so much to know, law, history, religions, ancient religions, occultism, gnostic stuff, paranormal, conspiracies, psychology, physics, quantum physics ETC. so much. So theres a good enough reason for me to never believe in bible because it can only scratch the surface of what is known, and what is known requires no belief, but knowing.

Christianity in the bigger picture means nothing, it is just one failed religion in my eyes. A huge business, a huge one at that.

I do not believe in anything I know.

[edelweiss pirate]

It's a bit sad you expressing this view, especially to this miracle man of all people, the henchman of God.

No one is being evasive. If a beleif doesn't stand up to scrutiny, be man enough to see it. I've expressed my views. They are there to be scrutinized. Whatever you wish.

Yeah I remember you saying you hated Allah and God and all sorts of nonsense and being as offensive as you possibly could....

It's people like you who I address this thread to.

[miracles]

Yeah I remember you saying you hated Allah and God and all sorts of nonsense and being as offensive as you possible could....

It's people like you who I address this thread to.

In my opnion Tannah is the most bitter on the forum, I dont know why consequently, he is on ignore. Its a watse of time. If he is going to talk about me, Il start doing the same, see if he likes his own medicine. He belives in some form of whacky Christ consciousness, ask him to explian what that means exactly.

[miracles]

i don't believe in anything, but really i try to know things instead of believing.

I do not believe in anything i know.


huh?

You cant believe until you know, and neither should you. But the dicotomy is, some times you arent going to know until you believe.

[marpat]

That's called picking and choosing. Pastors will general preach only the pleasant parts of the Bible. What about when Yahweh destroyed 1 million Ethiopians? What about when he said "the Lord is a man of war. the Lord is his name." What about when God gave Moses the commandments about not killing, and then tried to kill Moses because his son wasn't circumsized. What about all the people Yahweh burned to death?

So the religious leaders will generally sugarcoat it and conceal the bad stuff, which is the majority of it. Though actually, I still see even the grusome parts preached like condemning or warning about Hellfire.

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Perhaps there is a hidden mystery in there. You seem to think you are a bit of an expert but all you are doing is looking at the surgace inpression and taking that as factual. It has been quoted many times that people are foolish to take the bible literally.

[fallensoul]

What, I just put it there in end, did you like read beginning and end and skip all, and soon come say how I never talk about my beliefs? :P

I do not believe in anything what confuses you? I try to learn and know things, and those things I do not know for sure I do not claim to know, I assume they can be either, true or false. And I try to gather evidence supporting any of the cases, and will slowly assume it is more likely true or false depending on the evidence. Requires no faith, but rational thinking and gathering knowledge.

[marpat]

In my opnion Tannah is the most bitter on the forum, I dont know why consequently, he is on ignore. Its a watse of time. If he is going to talk about me, Il start doing the same, see if he likes his own medicine. He belives in some form of whacky Christ consciousness, ask him to explian what that means exactly.

What is wacky about christ consciousness? are you familiar with the works of Edgar Cayce?

For somebody who feels they are a good christian you are very condescending with the beliefs of others. You exhibit spiritual pride and arrogance, which are sins in your religion are they not?

[tannah]

Yeah I remember you saying you hated Allah and God and all sorts of nonsense and being as offensive as you possibly could....

It's people like you who I address this thread to.

The comments I made a few days ago was to prove the point that these entitities I was telling to fuck off don't exist. It's a pure illusion. Yet, you are not focusing on the vast majority of my posts where I am offering alternative views in a positive light. Strange really. What's really bugging you?

[tannah]

In my opnion Tannah is the most bitter on the forum, I dont know why consequently, he is on ignore. Its a watse of time. If he is going to talk about me, Il start doing the same, see if he likes his own medicine. He belives in some form of whacky Christ consciousness, ask him to explian what that means exactly.

LOL!! on ignore AGAIN???? With yer tail between your legs as always dude. You always put those that are showing your cretinous beliefs up on ignore. Then you wait a few days, and start again with your holier than thou robotics.

I am not a bitter man. I prefer lager.

[miracles]

What is wacky about christ consciousness? are you familiar with the works of Edgar Cayce?

For somebody who feels they are a good christian you are very condescending with the beliefs of others. You exhibit spiritual pride and arrogance, which are sins in your religion are they not?

Well Christ is the Christian God, and Christ consciousness has nothing to do with Christianity. I have heard of Edgar Case, but dont know much about him.

How have I exhibited spirtual pride and arrogance exactly, give me some examples. DO you means saying RAM IT to you after you said it to me, or what?

What exactly is Christ Consciousness, Im all ears but dont call me mickey

[edelweiss pirate]

The comments I made a few days ago was to prove the point that these entitities I was telling to fuck off don't exist. It's a pure illusion. Yet, you are not focusing on the vast majority of my posts where I am offering alternative views in a positive light. Strange really. What's really bugging you?

So you believe there is no God. So do communists and satanists. You're not in very good company to be honest.

You think because you believe something then that gives you authority to go out of your way to be deliberately and wantonly offensive?

As for positivity from you.... I've seen no evidence of it so far.
You seem to be a particularly 'dark' individual to me, one who is under the delusion of serving the light. A good person would not write:



Any so called god that exists as the bible or quran says can fuck off. Is that offensive enough for you? Fuck off Jehovah....ok? Fuck off Allah....alright?
Are you personally insulted?

A satanist would be quite at home with such a statement however. You are fitting the bill of a satanist rather too well along with that other sillybilly who listens to too much death-metal music.

You may not be one in word but you may be one in deed. I'd be careful if I were you. Satan's a hard bitch to shake off.

[marpat]

Well Christ is the Christian God, and Christ consciousness has nothing to do with Christianity. I have heard of Edgar Case, but dont know much about him.

How have I exhibited spirtual pride and arrogance exactly, give me some examples. DO you means saying RAM IT to you after you said it to me, or what?

What exactly is Christ Consciousness, Im all ears but dont call me mickey

It is the mind of God, although not the spirit, but not a specific individual as you may think but that which exists in all people. Christ was just a man who manifested this consciouness. When he asked why he was forsaken on the cross it was because this had withdrawn from him and all that was left was the man.

[tannah]

[QUOTE]So you believe there is no God.


Find me one post where I say that.


You think because you believe something then that gives you authority to go out of your way to be deliberately and wantonly offensive?


No that's not what I believe. If you follow the thread where I said those things, it was on the back of stfd's complete denial and head in the sand about a true God killing babies in Egypt. Which is worse, killing babies or telling such an image of God to fuck off?




As for positivity from you.... I've seen no evidence of it so far.
You seem to be a particularly 'dark' individual to me, one who is under the delusion of serving the light. A good person would not write:

Get off your judgmental horse dude. I repeat any God that murders the way the OT likes to boast, can well and truly fuck off. I don't particularly mind what you make of it. The vast majority of my posts are not with comments like that.

A satanist would be quite at home with such a statement however. You are fitting the bill of a satanist rather too well along with that other sillybilly who listens to too much death-metal music.

Your opinion is noted, and thrown in the illusion bin dude. Stick to some form of debate about what is being challenged here, which is the fake image of God that has born much blood shed to humanity.

You may not be one in word but you may be one in deed. I'd be careful if I were you. Satan's a hard bitch to shake off.

Yes I'm seeing that, but as always things can be upside down in reality.

So I am satanic for viewing the Creation as solely God's, a consciousness that will bring all to balance and into their heavenly reality, pure light?

But I'd be better off as a Christian that can live with a story about God killing babies and cultures?

My main interest is in using reason to show that these books about God, like bible and quran, do not pass the "word of God" test. They are signs of a growing perception of the nature of God, and of political manuavering using God to justify battles and murders.

if you want to make a meal of that comment I made, I can't stop you. If you want to agree or disagree about my main motivation here, feel free.

[kasalt]

All the hate on this thread is bringing us down!

[miracles]

It is the mind of God, although not the spirit, but not a specific individual as you may think but that which exists in all people. Christ was just a man who manifested this consciouness. When he asked why he was forsaken on the cross it was because this had withdrawn from him and all that was left was the man.

Rubbish, it was becuase Christ had the sins of the world upon him at that point and God can not look upon sin.

[miracles]

All the hate on this thread is bringing us down!

Its becuase the demons are going nutts with all the truth in here, all the lies are being obliterated and they hate it. Dont worry, it will calm down eventually

[tannah]

All the hate on this thread is bringing us down!

Can you tell me something more hateful than a spirit being condemned to eternal damnation?

And can you also justify why others may not challenge this view? Why is that challenge deemed hateful?

[kasalt]

Can you tell me something more hateful than a spirit being condemned to eternal damnation?

And can you also justify why others may not challenge this view? Why is that challenge deemed hateful?

My comment was intended as irony. It's a send-up of this thread's title.

[marpat]

Rubbish, it was becuase Christ had the sins of the world upon him at that point and God can not look upon sin.

So God cannot not look upon sin yet during the wandering in the desert the Israelites constantly pissed God off with their bad behaviour. Did he not visit many things on them for their sins?

Why can God not look upon sin? he must be aware of it if he is omniscient. He must have the power to overcome it if he is omnipotent so why should that be an issue?

Obviously you are so enlightened as to what happened right then that you can rubbish an idea. I feel that you are displaying arrogance here you naughty sinner.

[marpat]

So you believe there is no God. So do communists and satanists. You're not in very good company to be honest.

You think because you believe something then that gives you authority to go out of your way to be deliberately and wantonly offensive?

As for positivity from you.... I've seen no evidence of it so far.
You seem to be a particularly 'dark' individual to me, one who is under the delusion of serving the light. A good person would not write:



A satanist would be quite at home with such a statement however. You are fitting the bill of a satanist rather too well along with that other sillybilly who listens to too much death-metal music.

You may not be one in word but you may be one in deed. I'd be careful if I were you. Satan's a hard bitch to shake off.

Why would a satanist believe there is no god? I would think that as satan is a creation of god that god must exist so therefore what you state is false. Perhaps you confuse satanist with atheist.

[manxboz]

So you believe there is no God. So do communists and satanists. You're not in very good company to be honest.



I'm a communist and very much believe in G-d, not nesscessarly the G-d in the bible or anything but i believe in a higher power that is directing us as a people. But i think the best thing people should do on this forum is stop throwing mud at each other because we are all getting dirty and as a result we are becoming horrible un-holy filth. We should be expressing love, Christ showed Love for everyone, those that are Christians should be expressing love, those that don't believe should be showing respect to those that believe, yes tell them your theory on why you don't believe but don't give it to them in a dog bowl, give it to them on a silver platter.

[tannah]

I'm a communist and very much believe in G-d, not nesscessarly the G-d in the bible or anything but i believe in a higher power that is directing us as a people. But i think the best thing people should do on this forum is stop throwing mud at each other because we are all getting dirty and as a result we are becoming horrible un-holy filth. We should be expressing love, Christ showed Love for everyone, those that are Christians should be expressing love, those that don't believe should be showing respect to those that believe, yes tell them your theory on why you don't believe but don't give it to them in a dog bowl, give it to them on a silver platter.

If love isn't being expressed by wishing to dispell illusion, then how is it really expressed. Don't mistake the showing of love with the appeasment of ego.
The day humans are not allowed to scrutinize and criticise is the day we are all in one big world regime.

I would rather not have a go at people themselves. It normally starts when one exercises the right to ask questions, that someone will feel personally insulted and then lower the conversation to personal comments. And yes, we've all been dragged down to that.

I hold the right to express views and ask questions as a sign of liberty. If someone feels actually insulted by asking why a true God could possibly kill babies, I suggest they don't post here. Or if one responds with "he's God, he can do what he likes", I think one has the right to keep quizzing that attitude.

I'm expressing more love for the babies of Egypt than the OT God ever did.
If someone chooses to believe this is the real work of God, I hold the right to challenge that view. If one feels insulted by my questions, I still hold the right to persue the questions.

From what I see I have taken most of the insults coming my way on the chin, and keep going regardless.

[manxboz]

If love isn't being expressed by wishing to dispell illusion, then how is it really expressed. Don't mistake the showing of love with the appeasment of ego.
The day humans are not allowed to scrutinize and criticise is the day we are all in one big world regime.

I would rather not have a go at people themselves. It normally starts when one exercises the right to ask questions, that someone will feel personally insulted and then lower the conversation to personal comments. And yes, we've all been dragged down to that.

I hold the right to express views and ask questions as a sign of liberty. If someone feels actually insulted by asking why a true God could possibly kill babies, I suggest they don't post here. Or if one responds with "he's God, he can do what he likes", I think one has the right to keep quizzing that attitude.

I'm expressing more love for the babies of Egypt than the OT God ever did.
If someone chooses to believe this is the real work of God, I hold the right to challenge that view. If one feels insulted by my questions, I still hold the right to persue the questions.

From what I see I have taken most of the insults coming my way on the chin, and keep going regardless.


But you should still show respect to someones beliefs. So they may not show you respect but tit for tat isn't worth it, why lower yourself to their standards?

[tannah]

But you should still show respect to someones beliefs. So they may not show you respect but tit for tat isn't worth it, why lower yourself to their standards?

I dunno what you're getting at really. I've tried quite hard to keep to the subject at hand. On one occasion I've been prepared to say that the God that kills babies can fuck off. That comes as sheer frustration at the blind comments coming back. Even so I have yet to tell a poster here that he should slit his wrists or is a waste of CO2, as Miracles has said to me. That's just two of quite a few intolerant comments.

I see nothing wrong in talking about things that don't quite add up about bibles and qurans, things like eternal damnation and a God who does quite a bit of killing. I want to know how I'm supposed to view things like that. At present I view them as total fabrication. Doesn't mean I hate the people that worship such a God.

Tell me, are these acceptable subjects to be discussing on a forum, or are we here to say Hi and "luv your avatar"?

[geolaureate8]

IE hate religious people, well thats logical, NOT.

Strawman. I never said that. Religion =/= Followers. The followers are being duped. Also, I never said I hate anything.

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[geolaureate8]

Perhaps there is a hidden mystery in there. You seem to think you are a bit of an expert but all you are doing is looking at the surgace inpression and taking that as factual. It has been quoted many times that people are foolish to take the bible literally.

You can't be serious. Are you suggesting Yahweh metaphorically killed 1,000,000 Ethiopians? That's bs and you know it. I'm not looking on the surface of anything. If the Bible says, "and the Lord smote the Ethiopians," I'm not gonna sit there and ponder over it and look for a hidden meaning. I interpret that as Yahweh smiting the Ethiopians. Let me guess, Yahweh metaphorically flooded the earth and no one actually died? Perhaps these stories are referencing real events of the past like the 'war of the gods(E.T.'s), but that is a whole different concept than the tenets of Christianity and a literal Yahweh. How about we cut the b.s. and look at it as an allegorical, symbolic book, rather than a guide for life.

[miracles]

Strawman. I never said that. Religion =/= Followers. The followers are being duped. Also, I never said I hate anything.

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Okay. :)

[miracles]

So God cannot not look upon sin yet during the wandering in the desert the Israelites constantly pissed God off with their bad behaviour. Did he not visit many things on them for their sins?

Why can God not look upon sin? he must be aware of it if he is omniscient. He must have the power to overcome it if he is omnipotent so why should that be an issue?

Obviously you are so enlightened as to what happened right then that you can rubbish an idea. I feel that you are displaying arrogance here you naughty sinner.

Hmm. You said that God didnt answer jesus on the cross because at that time he was no longer the Christ. I dont agree and I gave my reasons. God can not look upon sin, thats a biblical fact. You have already said things are not in the bible, when they clearly are in the bible so debating the bible with you is pointless because you are either not educated or knowldegable on the topic or flat out lieng. Take your pick.

[geolaureate8]

all i ask is that those who oppose religion, give me their views, they must have an alternative view on things. why don't they share their views/beliefs. its easy to criticise religion, its harder to provide an alternative.

thus again to all the anti-religous posters, please share your views, i want to understand where you are coming from, and what you believe in.

Exactly, but they never do have views we only get what they dont believe.

I'm not hiding my views. No one's ever brought it up. Though it is not necessary for me to present an alternative when criticizing religion. I'm sure the majority of people who oppose the NWO don't have an actual alternative or solution.

My personal philosophies include Pantheism, Holism, etc. and primarily the philosophy of Alan Watts (not to be confused with Alan Watt). David Icke, David Wilcock, and Michael Tsarion's philosophies as well.

[miracles]

I'm not hiding my views. No one's ever brought it up. Though it is not necessary for me to present an alternative when criticizing religion. I'm sure the majority of people who oppose the NWO don't have an actual alternative or solution.

My personal philosophies include Pantheism, Holism, etc. and primarily the philosophy of Alan Watts (not to be confused with Alan Watt). David Icke, David Wilcock, and Michael Tsarion's philosophies as well.

Christ is the only solution to the NWO, all the names you a have mentioned above are fear mongers. They have no solution at all.

[edelweiss pirate]

I'm a communist and very much believe in G-d, not nesscessarly the G-d in the bible or anything but i believe in a higher power that is directing us as a people. But i think the best thing people should do on this forum is stop throwing mud at each other because we are all getting dirty and as a result we are becoming horrible un-holy filth. We should be expressing love, Christ showed Love for everyone, those that are Christians should be expressing love, those that don't believe should be showing respect to those that believe, yes tell them your theory on why you don't believe but don't give it to them in a dog bowl, give it to them on a silver platter.

That's pretty rare! I thought Marx was a pure athiest materialist?

Whatever, that's cool. I think Communism is fucked up tho, all those 'long-knives' and 'work-camps'. But each to their own.

[seanx]

tannah wrote:

Can you tell me something more hateful than a spirit being condemned to eternal damnation?

And can you also justify why others may not challenge this view? Why is that challenge deemed hateful?

Exactly. Well said.

[michael christopher]

Edelweiss, you can prescribe the solution all you want, but it's completely silly to do so until you realize how much a part of the problem you have been.

[geolaureate8]

Christ is the only solution to the NWO, all the names you a have mentioned above are fear mongers. They have no solution at all.

Alan Watts, a fear monger? He is a philosopher. Oh, that's right, religion fears philosophy. I can see why you are scared of philosophy. When religion is faced with reason and truth, it crumbles.

What is it with people's obsession with calling researchers fear mongers. What does that even mean? If you are scared of information about the NWO, you are a coward. It's not the messenger who has a problem, it's the person receiving the information. You must have some insecurity issues if David Icke scares you. Icke is the one who preaches that fear is the worst possible state of mind, and yet, you have the nerve to call him "fear monger?"

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[manxboz]

That's pretty rare! I thought Marx was a pure athiest materialist?

Whatever, that's cool. I think Communism is fucked up tho, all those 'long-knives' and 'work-camps'. But each to their own.

Communism isn't fucked up, the way it was used in Russia is fucked up. Marx was an athiest but i can still apply the pratices of Communism to my own life. I know a few Christian Communists.

[miracles]

Bealert: The bible is for losers.
Its well known people turn to the bible/god in desperation its a form of brain washing that gives a person hope where before there was none. you religious lot cant even agree on what is right or what god is.
Never have i seen more proof that religion is messing with peoples head's more than on these boards if he was real surely there would be no misunderstanding and some sort of unity would exist.


Originally Posted by reality man
Just popped in to say that the bible is a piece of shit which has been used by hypocritical oppressors since the dawn of time to spread thier religious madness and hatred of everybody who does not believe as they do!

Tannah, the bible is a whole lot of old bullshit. At times I quote it to these bible thumpers becasue I know they aint got any backup for it".

The pain is caused by airy fairy nut job religious maniacs who want to shove thier crap down everyones throat. You know that too - I know!

You or I, will never get through to miracles or any of his blind sort. I would suggest you give up trying and spend your time with those who show a glimmer of hope

Miracles? Yeah right!

You talk of misquoting the bible? HA! - my oh my, how blind you are!

I my friend do not BELIEVE anything at all - I am a reality man, not an airy fairy man! I deal in facts and realizations - not dreams!

I wonder did your Jesus refer to others as being "deluded fools"? I don't think so - and I also think he would despair of you!

MC: Omg!

I convert! I will worship Dr. Panin!

Actually, tis' better to rule in heaven than serve in hell. So I think I'll stick to my current beliefs.

Mr Kiz at the end of the day the chistian faith is founded on lies.



based upon ancient eastern stories and corrupted by the westerners greed.

Its all about power and control.

Do this or go to hell

Tannah: Mate, your god can go to hell, as they say. Honestly, shut the fuck up with your rubbish.


Tracker: It is the works of the beast that prays to images !


Metacon Take your troll ass back under the bridge you came from.



Dedicate: Just grow up.

"Catholics are not Christian". I can't believe you said that.

Metacomet: I already explained to you that you're not a real christian. You're a pharisee and a snake. You use your devotion to the bible as a weapon against others, poking them in the chest and trying to intimidate them out of open discussion of the scripture.

You are a curse to your religion, miracles, and this forum would vote you off within a matter of minutes, only to have you spew your tantrum in that thread as well.

I'm done replying to you. Please stop wasting the moderators time 'reporting me'... they of all people know not to take you seriously.

And now, anyone who is coming into this thread, having seen how we in here have handled you, will know just as well.

You're so angry and frothing at the mouth that you just read the first line and jump straight to a response.

Now let me sit back and wait for you to make a massive edit to your post...

Oh! There's one.


Again, miracles, You are not a real Christian. You are a way-layer and a thorn in the side of those who seek to honestly study the words of Christ.

It is people like you that Jesus ended up flipping tables over. Don't you get it? You don't own the key to anything, you are not an authority on the bible, and you are not permitted to act like an ass on this forum without being told to 'ram it'.

So, ram it.

What is your problem, man?

You don't own the bible.

You didn't write the bible.

When someone posts scripture verbatim and then contemplates it's meaning - you are not allowed to say 'no that's wrong.' That's not Christianity, that's fascism.

You were probably a member of the Spanish inquisition in a past life.
Quote:
I addressed each of the scriptures you posted

Like an asshole.

Because you are a troll - mentioning other peoples threads and discussing them in threads that are unrelated is called trolling. You should ram it, but marpat is the one who told you to, and you've been stomping around crying about it ever since.

How old are you?

More than a few people, biblical scholars, have come to the same conclusions. Just because you can run off to your fundamentalist archives and copy paste some half-ass rebuttal doesn't mean anything, miracles. You failed in that thread and now you're failing in this one.

You're so fucking dense that you can't even see that her name is biblegirl. Who are you to say that she doesn't have knowledge of the bible or that she hasn't devoted her life to it?


Originally Posted by reality man
A message for everyone,

Miracles is turning this forum into a shambles - a place for him to spew his hatred of all those who HE has deemed to be heathens etc. His bigotry towards catholics in particular is quite striking, I came from the catholic religion and though I no longer agree with them, I still see them as christians.

Miracles, I have never encountered your equal - my suggestion to everyone would be to simply put him on ignore - thats what i'm now going to do, since he is obviously lacking in many way


Heh Tannah,

There's one possibility that none of us have considered --- maybe miracles is the henchman of "god"? Maybe "god" is like Dr.Evil from Austin Powers, and miracles is like Mini Me - he orchastrates and carries out all of "gods" evil doing - which involves rediculing anyone who does not interpret the bible in the way he does - it also involves calling people names like "heathen" and "sinner" etc...He speaks just like a "true" christian doesn't he ... Jesus would be proud of him!

My oh my ... how I wish I were still spellbound by the trappings of so called "christianity" - then I too could be spellbound by the smokescreen of BELIEF and delude my mind into thinking that my way was the only way too.
Reality Man:


I don't know - all you seem to do is upset people and insult them, so then they insult you back...it's a vicious circle Let's see if we can find out why?

For starters, Why do you feel the need to attack those who interpret the bible differently from you - are you the be all and end all authority on all of its meaning?

Is your version of christianity the true version for example? You have stated that catholicism is not christianty - but we all know that it is.

So perhaps if you explained some of these things you say instead of attacking, insulting and ranting, then we could all engage in sensible conversation once again...and the insults and chilishness would then cease?


Phew .. I needed that laugh - oh and thanks for more of your "christian" insults there miracles - spread your love my friend ... who knows maybe some of us will then want to join you and be more like you.

Heh Tannah,

There's one possibility that none of us have considered --- maybe miracles is the henchman of "god"? Maybe "god" is like Dr.Evil from Austin Powers, and miracles is like Mini Me - he orchastrates and carries out all of "gods" evil doing - which involves rediculing anyone who does not interpret the bible in the way he does - it also involves calling people names like "heathen" and "sinner" etc...He speaks just like a "true" christian doesn't he ... Jesus would be proud of him!

My oh my ... how I wish I were still spellbound by the trappings of so called "christianity" - then I too could be spellbound by the smokescreen of BELIEF and delude my mind into thinking that my way was the only way too.

I'm quoting myself again here - just to get us back onto the subject matter of this forum, since miracles has taken us way off coarse with his bible ramblings and insults.



Metacomet: This entire thread,
and many others,
are a testament to his illness.

Sorry he had to derail your thread .

Tannah What a martyr. What a man of respect too. I could learn how to be real tolerent watching a man like Miracles and his approach to people.

Just imagine when the fake second coming arrives, and peope like Miracles become soldiers for "God", as he orders the death of all unbelievers. Whaddya reckon then guys, is Miracle's going to do as his "Lord" commands him?

Please don't stab us Miracles, we're good people, and I want to see my baby for a while longer, please don't take her away from us. Put a good word in for us Miracles, my mum ain't well and hell is so lonely. What did we do that was so evil Miracles? Please spare us. Oh great and mighty man of God, we didn't mean to help others and love them, we shouldda been like you I know.

Oh, and bite me.

Happy chatting with your couple of buds then Mire-clueless.

He came in with his Panin
And got a right ol panning


Get a reality check Miracles. Your numbers won't make up for the way you behave.



Reality Man: I think that the above quote from miracles shows exactly the frame of diseased mind he carries ... I s that what your religion has done for you miracles? I am beginning to wonder what age you actually are becasue you are displaying the mindset of a teenager ... Do you have any intellect at all to share with us here .. or is it just going to be more bible and insults???


Originally Posted by fromthevoid
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with being a Christian. Many of us have been through that phase. And before you tell me it's not a phase, let me point out that the Christianity that is driven by judging others, railing at them incessantly over minor or major points in the Bible actually drive people away from Christianity....that's what did it for me.

Considering we are to love others and treat them as we wish to be treated
(do you not wish to be treated good?)
Considering we are to love our brothers and sisters as ourself
Considering God loves us and has the most perfect love
Consdering the lovingkindness that Jesus exhibited toward the woman at the well
Considering we are told to let our lights shine to bring others to our faith and not to cram it down their throats. Surely you are familiar with This Little Light of Mine?.....a song I joyfully sang in the church.....ony problem was, the church was filled with Judgments, ill will, saying ugly things about other members that are in the congregation that absolutely were not true.

Would I vote you off the forum? In a New York second. But only because when I read your communication, I can feel the hatred and rage jumping out at me and I don't enjoy feeling it. Makes me feel it as if you were in my face shaking your finger at me. And I haven't even joined the conversation yet.

I would ask again, is this really the stuff you want out of life? Referencing treating others as you would be treated---or you reap what you sow. And I care not if you wish to tell me I am taking something from the bible out of context. For I find that the higher spirit, whomever it may be, is faithful and true to assist me when I am in danger. And you are certainly no danger to me. I come from the void of nothingness which is where I ended up once the church got through with me. My relationship with whoever god is, is simply between me and god.....ain't no extra human beings involved in it...period. As a matter of fact, I do not associate myself with Christianity, it is an embarrassment for me. It represents cruelty and hate to me. In my opinion it is an embarrassment to whoever god is.

I also look at what is going on in the world today and a few years back realized that this holy war/oil war that is currently in progress has, has all the earmarks of the same mindset that the old testament is written. It is a barbarian mindset that is cruel to people....One can only imagine why on earth a god would require the 150 or so foreskins of enemies to be allowed to marry someone....go figure.....he was supposedly God's favorite person since time began.....Good o'le King David.

Ok, I'll get off my rant.

Regards,
Nancy


Tannah: Excellent post, straight to the heart of the matter.

Miracles, get help man.


WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, another cocky comment from our resident one and only only he is a christian Miracle man. Sweet.

You're not an enemy, you've made yourself notorious by the quality of your posts.

You're just a robot, citing things but your heart gives you away. Concentrate on the qualites of the heart. They never lie. God isn't a salesman with the "believe this or be damned".
I haven't rejected the bible. I just don't accept it the way you robotically do.
I reject a God that can't bring everyone to It's reality. I reject your interpretations. I accept that they will be shown for what they are, mostly blind.

Your angry persona is clear to "see". A volcanic preacher stuck in old testament images of God, trying to drag Jesus and Christ down to that old level again.


DWB: Now in closing i will say this much, i know of several people who have left this board because of the constant unrelenting negativity, namecalling and christian hijacking of threads..I had chosen to be polite and stay off your thread even though the view in your posts is absurd.

However, I see the christians have no qualms about constantly derailing my threads that have nothing to do with anything concerning them. ..It is a huge waste of my time, and i am deeply tired of it.
This board has become a chore...
As such, i am no longer going to waste my time with it.
__________________

Former fundamentalist pastor concludes that
Jesus is the Sun:


Then again, maybe the Bible is actually inspired by Satan.

What better way to fool all of mankind than to destroy the knowledge of any real creator or spirit through worshiping some lying vengeful deity who insists on ignorance and the slaughter of the innocent to propitiate its bloodlust...


lucifer" as satan was an invention of the Poet Milton.....

In fact the Lucifer is Jesus Christ..the bright and morning star..

Revelation to John 22:16
Time present: I, Jesus am Lucifer..

Christians are actually Satanists

It is clear that the God of the old testament is also Satan..
In Isa 45:7 he says he creates evil...in other verses he admits sending lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets..(1Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles 18:22)
God is satan..when HE causes David to number Israel.

this is cut and dried.

Ever notice that people resemble the god they worship?

SO Given the behavior of the God of the Bible, what exactly is "dark" about satan?

I don't recall hearing him mass murder anybody, i don't recall him exhorting people to smash infants heads against the rocks the way biblegod does..(as i have said before though they are actually one and the same many times)

1 plus 1 can equal zero IF i am working in Modulo 2.

The fact that you think that Ivan Panin's work is "irrefutable" is just evidence that you do not understand probability.

I can cherry pick the bible too to support whatever view i want

Ivan Panin's "irrefutable proof" is largely the result of cherry picking data...

According to the cluckulator:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

Is 28% evil and 72% good..whatever that means

In order to produce these patterns, they modified the text using the many variant readings that appear in old manuscripts. In addition to this deliberate cooking of the data, they presented some of the vast number of features of 7 that appear in any text by pure chance. "

edited to add:
I hope you forgive me if i appear brusque , i deeply dislike bible numerics material, i find it deeply offensive, especially when it is presented as "irrefutable proof"..perhaps i need to sit down and look at my conditioning and figure out which buttons that is pushing.

You are not winning anyone to Christ with your obnoxious posts that is for certain....and you appear to be typical.
In your fervor to "win arguments" by namecalling, backbiting, and other things prohibited by the epistles, you might consider what effect you are having on hearts and minds.

Good job miracles...

way to win hearts and minds eh miracles?

By belittling me and the mathematician that wrote those articles, you may make yourself feel better temporarily, but you are definitely hurting the cause of Christ because you cannot control your ego.

It is very obvious that you are not trying to win anybody to Christ, in fact you are hurting his cause...if you do not like that, tough luck.
you might want to try actually picking up your cross daily working out your salvation in fear and trembling,instead of just talking about being saved..

Annoying people who actually can do mathematics with mathematical nonsense, SHOULD be a criminal offence.

It is not enough that they actually tax people like that with the Lottery.
We actually have comedic books about people like Panin put out by the Cambridge Press..everyone in math circles knows about it... at least everyone who gets the AMA journals...pretty close to everyone.

You have been egocetrically going on and on about how you have "irrefutable proof" with Ivan Panin, which is highly offensive to people with any kind of mathematical knowledge.

I posted this thread to call you on it, because it is offensive to mathematicians and you are browbeating people with it.
Knock it off.

The truth is that your personal experience and how you act with pother peope tellme if you actually know anything worth knowing.
Please get to know the real Christ...and stop this crap..okay

I looked at Panin's work realized almost immediately that it was nonsense, when you have done enough work in an area you can spot these kinds of things..."going to the pool room", so you must have seen "The Castle".
....slogging through that kind of nonsense has got to be some kind of punishment.

Locked up in chains...LOLOLOL
you do have an active fantasy life dontcha?

Sorry i bruised your widdle.

Mathematicians are alot of things but hardly elite, mostly we don't get invited to parties and no one sends us the memos...i don't know where you get your disinformation or your axe to grind against any kind of knowledge...

Oh that's right, the whole Bible from the very beginning is a diatribe against KNOWLEDGE, in fact that LUDDITE (look it up) thread runs throughout the Bible first to last..

"secular" education, wow there is an oxymoron.
"Evolution is a lie"..
Well i happen to believe neither creationism or evolution is correct, but that is probably because i have been subjected to the evils of critical thinking..and every vain philosophy which exalts itself...err whatever.

Have fun, and thanks for all the fish.


He'll Fuck You Up" (He being biblegod )

that's okay, it is more fun watching you all fall on your swords

Well,let's put it this way...Lucifer does seem to have some good points.Like i have said before, How many genocides have been committed in his name? How many book burnings? How many burnings at the stake...how many kids molested ...none?

Actually the Bible, in fact JESUS HIMSELF says that you can have eternal life by selling all you have and giving the money to the poor.

Yes Christians are sadomasochists. I was looking for (and can't find in my bookmarks) the story about this saint who used to NOT wash, and cinched a belt about his middle so tightly that the flesh started rotting and was crawling with maggots.

"Similarly my god is a militant black lesbian Jewish Communist. This projection of God or ‘definition’ of God is a quite separate issue to the issue of the existence of a Creator."

No, i think Christian God/Satan are one and the same...

I have been trying to say that this is WHO the elites also worship, same God of the Christians/Jews, it is just that the Christians and Jews can't see that.

They do not understand that by their worship they are empowering the god of the elites that is keeping humanity enslaved in chains of darkness(ignorance). We are in fact the "Angels (of light)" who kept not our first estate.

Lucifer is a whole different kettle of fish and has nothing to do with the christian god/satan, and more with Prometheus

Christianity itself is the Antichrist speaking the blasphemous things.

For some reason it is acceptable for you to be offensive and tell other people that they are worshipping demons, and are sinners and are going to burn in hell forever...because you think you are telling the Truth.

Apparently you are not very good at taking your own medicine.

You expect behavior of others that you cannot comply with yourself.


There is a word for that, but i am not going to say it.

I did not get my information from any 'truth movement' but from reading and doing word studies and thinking about things instead of swallowing what others told me to believe whole cloth.

The christian church is the Antichrist, the truth hurts

I honestly am not sure that anything i DID brought me the my new bunny, as in law of attraction..but i could be wrong..some very strange stuff has been happening.

When i got home after my bunny had been put to sleep, i kept seeing him darting out of the corner of my eye.

Two days later i drew a card from the sabian symbol deck (360 cards), asking if my precious bunny wanted to reincarnate back to me..i got Pisces 17 EASTER PROMENADE.
(i do not draw cards often because i do not like to gum up the probabilities)

I prayed for bunny every single night, for his protection and sending him love.

I called a clairvoyant that has helped me with other re-incarnating rabbits.
He confirmed either this Easter or next Easter...
The bunny would be white with blackish and brown spots.

Easter Week, go to turn on computer and there staring in my window is a small white rabbit with brindle and tan spots.
(I said i wasn't gonna hijack the thread but i have to add something.)

Now Miracles...don't be so silly.

Response to the logical fallacy of "he wasn't a real christian"..

posted for educational entertainment purposes....

Hail Sat...... err i mean Reason
HEHEHEHEHEHEH

Most christian priests and pastors are gay?

I have had MANY gay friends and not a single one of them was remotely attracted to children...whereas i have had many christian acquaintances whom i cannot say the same thing about.

That is an utter load of shit...that gays are predisposed to pederasty..

the divorce rate for most "christians" is higher than the divorce rate of secular people, and the amount of adultery is higher too...currently trying to find that article

There was an actual academic paper that showed that in fact evangelicals in the US were much less moral than their liberal or secular counterparts.
I will find that paper eventually but there are other resources..

Here we go..

Fundies have the Top Divorce Rate.
http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/evange...p_Divorce_Rate (http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/evangelical_ath/Christianity_Does_Not_Work_as_Advertised.htm#Fundi es_Have_The_Top_Divorce_Rate)

Evengelicals are Habitual Liars:

in fact CHRISTIANITY corrupts good morals:
http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/evange...ts_Good_Morals (http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/evangelical_ath/Christianity_Does_Not_Work_as_Advertised.htm#Chris tianity_Corrupts_Good_Morals)


So all you two can do is speak bible gibberish?

But you wonder why the world is so messed up?

The Irony here is astonishing.
I apologize if i was mean to you...it had been a long hard road, when was that anyway

The christians claim to be fighting evil and satan, and they get attacked by "demons" to prove they are on "God's side"...but it is interesting how this "God" seems to enjoy and encourage their suffering and does very little in the way of actually helping them.

I have often wondered WHY it is that "angels" seem to appear before tragic situations occur, prophesying to the faithful impending personal harm that these angels do not mitigate.

Maybe this "God" of theirs is a massive thoughtform that literally sucks souls into it, keeping people from the actual Creator of spirits....that most likely did not make this prison universe...maybe all the energy you feed this thing, not only depletes your energy, but means you will lose your soul when you die and only the stripped naked spark of awareness of the spirit itself gets recycled to grow a new soul..

Keep the sparks imprisoned, use them to grow new souls, then harvest the energy.


Unless a corn of wheat falls to the ground and dies...says the "Good Shepherd".

What do shepherd DO to sheep?



Think about this when you say I am insulting and agressive in future people. Your the ones that believe in karma aren't you?

By the way this is 10 percent of it at the most.

[tannah]

What a martyr. What a man of respect too. I could learn how to be real tolerent watching a man like Miracles and his approach to people.

Just imagine when the fake second coming arrives, and peope like Miracles become soldiers for "God", as he orders the death of all unbelievers. Whaddya reckon then guys, is Miracle's going to do as his "Lord" commands him?

Please don't stab us Miracles, we're good people, and I want to see my baby for a while longer, please don't take her away from us. Put a good word in for us Miracles, my mum ain't well and hell is so lonely. What did we do that was so evil Miracles? Please spare us. Oh great and mighty man of God, we didn't mean to help others and love them, we shouldda been like you I know.

Oh, and bite me.

[miracles]

What a martyr. What a man of respect too. I could learn how to be real tolerent watching a man like Miracles and his approach to people.

Just imagine when the fake second coming arrives, and peope like Miracles become soldiers for "God", as he orders the death of all unbelievers. Whaddya reckon then guys, is Miracle's going to do as his "Lord" commands him?

Please don't stab us Miracles, we're good people, and I want to see my baby for a while longer, please don't take her away from us. Put a good word in for us Miracles, my mum ain't well and hell is so lonely. What did we do that was so evil Miracles? Please spare us. Oh great and mighty man of God, we didn't mean to help others and love them, we shouldda been like you I know.

Oh, and bite me.

What a low life you are.

[michael christopher]

What a low life you are.

Amen, brother!

Miracles is the real shining example we should all aspire to. Maybe... he is the Second Coming himself?

The new example for the new age?

His beliefs are definitely not that of the masses... he offers something new in offering something old.

I will definitely worship you Miracles.

EDIT: Seriously though, for miracles, we can use a decoder to understand his posts. Light = dark, love = hate, high = low, positive = negative, and harmony = war.

[miracles]

Amen, brother!

Miracles is the real shining example we should all aspire to. Maybe... he is the Second Coming himself?

The new example for the new age?

His beliefs are definitely not that of the masses... he offers something new in offering something old.

I will definitely worship you Miracles.

EDIT: Seriously though, for miracles, we can use a decoder to understand his posts. Light = dark, love = hate, high = low, positive = negative, and harmony = war.

Another lower than low life. Serioulsy.

[michael christopher]

Another lower than low life. Serioulsy.

That's a compliment coming from you, remember? It's always opposites day in miracles' brain.

[miracles]

That's a compliment coming from you, remember? It's always opposites day in miracles' brain.
I love you. :D

[michael christopher]

I love you. :D

So you must be saying you hate me, but I thought Christians weren't supposed to hate? Maybe it's that confusing Bible that has you able to do both at the same time. :)

[miracles]

So you must be saying you hate me, but I thought Christians weren't supposed to hate? Maybe it's that confusing Bible that has you able to do both at the same time. :)

I like you a little teensy weensy bit, even though you cant dance.

[michael christopher]

I like you a little teensy weensy bit, even though you cant dance.

But I'm gay, so that means I'm genetically a much better dancer than you are.

[miracles]

But I'm gay, so that means I'm genetically a much better dancer than you are.

My brother is gay, he taught me. :D But I must admitt he is way cooler on the dance floor than me.

[michael christopher]

My brother is gay, he taught me. :D But I must admitt he is way cooler on the dance floor than me.

Well, it comes naturally.

Actually I'm lying BTW, I'm horrible at dancing, I hate clubs and parties.

[miracles]

Well, it comes naturally.

Actually I'm lying BTW, I'm horrible at dancing, I hate clubs and parties.

Me too. My brother is brilliant though. Mind you my wife thinks Im a mover and a shaker. Bless her. I love that woman

[tannah]

What a low life you are.

Am I unignored by you again?

Call me what you like. If you can't think your beliefs through, and ignore (or simply believe) the idea of believing your God will send people to hell and do some pretty nasty acts of its own, why do you expect another human to not bring it into question? And be called a low life for it?

Not at all. I'm not always pleasent , but I can come back with what is thrown at me at times. And what I mean by that is that I don't like people not willing to face the tough questions. Tough questions about books that rule their life. To me it's an excuse to use the book that is being questioned as an excuse for feeling hated or personally insulted.

So no, my world is made up of nicer things than you from what I see you typing here. I don't condemn anyone and, if I believe in God, it's nature is different to the old biblical God/Yahweh/Enlil. And I'm prepared to reason all the way, in the moment, appealing to common sense. Can you do the same?
Instead of coming back and saying "look, that's what the bible says and I believe it", can you actually come face to face with the reasons why it doesn't have to be God saying those things? I will admit I'm wrong if I can't find a reasonable response to whatever anyone asks me.

Can you Miracles? Or is your telling me "what a low life you are" the best you can do? You were motivated to type that when I called you a martyr? Well you are, complaining that people, hate you and pick on you. I also made it clear what many ordinary folk would feel like having to see their loved ones carted off to hell.......in your sick imagination of course. You say you love people. Yet you are comfortable with this God that obviously doesn't love them all.

See what an immature vision it is to simply think " I believe in Jesus I'm saved"? People that are in no way worthy of hell, but believe in Buddha or Allah or nothing like that, will be thrown in hell? Silly belief. I don't mean you, I mean your belief, and if you can't seperate yourself from that, it isn't my fault, and I am not a low life for having that opinion of that particular belief system.

[fallensoul]

HAHA! I knew you got your philosphy from death-metal!

Hardly a cogent basis for rational understanding of the complexity of society and humanity.....

This coming from a band who wrote a song called Reign in Blood?

Nice. Pure Satanism mate. Njoy your despair, there is a brighter to side to life if you can break you death-metal satanic brainwashing.

Holy shit, can you get any more bit narrow minded and make any more assumptions. So when I post lyrics from one song it means I draw all my philosophy from said musical genre and said band? Am I debating with children here or what? Children of god???

Get your head out of your ass mate, I draw my philosophy from very large research on multiple subjects, and most importantly from my LIFE experience.

I wonder sometimes.. are you trolling or serious?

[edelweiss pirate]

Holy shit, can you get any more bit narrow minded and make any more assumptions. So when I post lyrics from one song it means I draw all my philosophy from said musical genre and said band? Am I debating with children here or what? Children of god???

Get your head out of your ass mate, I draw my philosophy from very large research on multiple subjects, and most importantly from my LIFE experience.

I wonder sometimes.. are you trolling or serious?

Come on, you can't quote the death-metal band Slayer in an argument against Christians! Who wouldn't take the piss?

Still, I did guess right though didn't I?

I did. You remember....?

As for me a troll? You can check with any decent long standing members to see that my credit good (Cept Turdwave but he doesn't count because he's turned into a Luciferian these days).

Anyway, we're friends now.

Peace!

[fallensoul]

Anyway, we're friends now.

Peace!


It's good to have understanding outside our great differences in belief :)

[accuracy]

What you really mean is we have the nerve to QUESTION your religious beliefs!!

And if we do and expose it as nonsense in a lot of cases, you term
that 'hate'?

Remember what forum you are on, mate ....and Icke is one of the
biggest critics of your man-made religion and its distortion of
the nature of God.

Amen!!!!!!!! :D

[geolaureate8]

What you really mean is we have the nerve to QUESTION your religious beliefs!!

And if we do and expose it as nonsense in a lot of cases, you term
that 'hate'?

Remember what forum you are on, mate ....and Icke is one of the
biggest critics of your man-made religion and its distortion of
the nature of God.

Yeah, seriously. David Icke despises religion as much as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins.

.

[stfd]

Yeah, seriously. David Icke despises religion as much as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins.

.

And why does it matters what those dudes think?!
Do you or i HAVE to believe the way they do?
Do we not have our OWN opinion(s) on things?

I mean, i dont understand, why and how does Icke's or Hitchins's or Dawkins's opinion of more weight than yours or mine?!

As far as i'm concerned they could as well be reptiles themselves or whatever.
Is pretty simple you know... dont get all you hear and see for granted but instead put it through the 'filter' of your heart and mind and olny then you might figure out what and where the deceit is( all assuming one's heart and mind are in good working condition of course).

[geolaureate8]

And why does it matters what those dudes think?!
Do you or i HAVE to believe the way they do?
Do we not have our OWN opinion(s) on things?

I mean, i dont understand, why and how does Icke's or Hitchins's or Dawkins's opinion of more weight than yours or mine?!

As far as i'm concerned they could as well be reptiles themselves or whatever.
Is pretty simple you know... dont get all you hear and see for granted but instead put it through the 'filter' of your heart and mind and olny then you might figure out what and where the deceit is( all assuming one's heart and mind are in good working condition of course).

Strawman fallacy. I never said that. My point is that people keep wondering why there's so much religion bashing here, and my answer is that this is a David Icke forum. You should expect as much religion bashing here as you would on Dawkins forums. That's my point.

.

[edelweiss pirate]

Strawman fallacy. I never said that. My point is that people keep wondering why there's so much religion bashing here, and my answer is that this is a David Icke forum. You should expect as much religion bashing here as you would on Dawkins forums. That's my point.

.

There is also ramapant atheism here and satanic doctrine, Crowleyism and masonry...

Your argument just fell apart.

Denying religion is one thing, denying Christ's wisdom is quite another.

Just like the plebs who spit out Icke as a madman.

You've got to know your friends as well as your enemies...

[cryst4l]

Edelweiss pirate,

No offence - really none meant - but you must live a very sheltered life if all it takes is the expressed observations of us within this forum to make you feel so bad. To be affected in such a way as you decribe by something as simple as this forum - well then - I must tell you never to venture too far out into the real world, because life out there will scare the hell out of you, if all it takes is this forum to deplete your energy so much that it makes you feel ill.

On some level I actually envy you - because perhaps you have been wrapped in a ball of cotton wool all of your life - perhaps you have been thrown no REAL challenges in life - perhaps you have not learned to grow through facing that which we do not really want to face?

In that case is it any wonder you run to the comforting and "secure" field of religon, and hand your own inner srength and power over to historical teachers. Pay them thier respects - yes - but don't insult thier memory by glueing yourself to thier apron strings forever - afterall, are we not meant to transcend the need for the teacher, and to find God within ourselves?

No offense intended - but grow up - and wake up - start living in the REAL world my friend, and let life teach you it's beautiful lessons - only then will you really be able to grow out of your little sheltered coccoon.

Seriously reality man, no offense to you, but do you not think that your post is exactly what ende is talking about?

Rather than oppose just his point of view, you attack his persona with comments about being wrapped up in cotton wool.

I have the same stance as him, in the fact that there is hate on a daily basis on this forum and it hate against opinions or topics put forward but personal attacks that are uncalled for.

Just because someone is sensitive it does not mean that they have lived a sheltered life or have not had any life challenges and who is to say that this is not the way to be in life, sensitive to almost any negativity.

[fallensoul]

Denying religion is one thing, denying Christ's wisdom is quite another.

I don't think many here are denying Christ's wisdom. More like denying the importance of religion and the doctrine in it's whole. Jesus said he came to fix the things done wrong before him, why do Christians still keep the older doctrines then and traditions. Didn't Jesus curse the churches how the become market places, and didn't he tell people to pray on their own etc.

It is the contradicting nature of the religion that we are rejecting here that some gobble up without rising a finger. Jesus was a great bloke with a great message, can't say so much about his followers and the church they set up fro him.

[cryst4l]

I don't think many here are denying Christ's wisdom. More like denying the importance of religion and the doctrine in it's whole. Jesus said he came to fix the things done wrong before him, why do Christians still keep the older doctrines then and traditions. Didn't Jesus curse the churches how the become market places, and didn't he tell people to pray on their own etc.

It is the contradicting nature of the religion that we are rejecting here that some gobble up without rising a finger. Jesus was a great bloke with a great message, can't say so much about his followers and the church they set up fro him.

We are all taught to not believe what we are told with open arms in the first instance. Who is to say that Jesus ever existed. or any other?

For me, I cannot except any religion due to the FACT, that none of us can ever prove which one is the correct one to follow, or prove that we should follow any religion, we can only follow our intuition.

[fallensoul]

We are all taught to not believe what we are told with open arms in the first instance. Who is to say that Jesus ever existed. or any other?

For me, I cannot except any religion due to the FACT, that none of us can ever prove which one is the correct one to follow, or prove that we should follow any religion, we can only follow our intuition.

Agreed, if I need to define my religion it would be worship of myself. Then the Christians come with their straw man argument calling me Satanic.

I can figure shit out for myself, so why should I trust anyone else? Through experience in life I have found out that trusting myself has always worked the best for me. Trusting others always led into despair. So I am left without options.

Trust no one.
Believe nothing you hear.
Hear your own heart.
Do what you think is right.
Put every idea to the test to find out what holds water and what doesn't.
Never stagnate into one set of beliefs, discard them all.
Keep your mind open, knowledge is the food for the soul.
Know thyself.
Be yourself.

[edelweiss pirate]

Agreed, if I need to define my religion it would be worship of myself. Then the Christians come with their straw man argument calling me Satanic.


Not really. It's always the pagans who draw first blood in these debates.

There's far more anti-christian activity on this forum than anti-pagan.

The Christians are an easy target for many. So you get a forum pile-on.

I think that's cowardly, if you've got balls 'have-a-go' at the masons.... But people daren't... I've seen it all a million times on all these forums...

True Christianity is not your enemy, Luciferianism is and it is what has corrupted religion. Why do people find themselves unable to make that cognitive connection...?

I don't know what you Fallen Soul and Michael Christopher or Sean X believe because to be honest there never seems to be a cogent series of points made by either of you about your beliefs.

I think I asked you all once upon a time but got nowhere as expected.

Some people exist by what they hate and deny rather than what they love and believe.

That's why when you ask 'what do you believe?' They answer 'Christianity is evil...' but that's all there is going on in their minds.... constant anger and hatred against something rather than FOR something.... ANYTHING!

[fallensoul]

I think that's cowardly, if you've got balls 'have-a-go' at the masons.... But people daren't... I've seen it all a million times on all these forums...

Well personally I haven't had a go against Masons, because the simple fact that never in my life have any masons come to try debate my beliefs and prove me wrong, or my lack of beliefs. Also I do not know much about them, since they are not a public organization and have their hidden doctrines which obviously cannot be debated if you don't know them.

I have no problem with masons personally, never even met one, so there. If one wants to challenge me into debate, I am all up for it, bring it!

[edelweiss pirate]

Well personally I haven't had a go against Masons, because the simple fact that never in my life have any masons come to try debate my beliefs and prove me wrong, or my lack of beliefs. Also I do not know much about them, since they are not a public organization and have their hidden doctrines which obviously cannot be debated if you don't know them.

I have no problem with masons personally, never even met one, so there. If one wants to challenge me into debate, I am all up for it, bring it!

Not read any Icke books then?

[fallensoul]

I don't know what you Fallen Soul and Michael Christopher or Sean X believes because to be honest there never seems to be a cogent series of points made by either of you about yoru beliefs.

I guess it is hard for you to understand that I do not believe anything, I believe in myself. I am independent mind, free thinker. I do not view anything as evil, or good. I view somethings as opposition to free thought, they not evil, but they try to push their filth onto others, which is violation of free will.


I have no problem with masons personally, never even met one, so there. If one wants to challenge me into debate, I am all up for it, bring it!
Not read any Icke books then?


Nope, I have seen lectures and read these forums, and I have read alot about Masons, but its all hearsay, I never met an actual Mason. I will not have my opinion of them formed by people who have nothing to do with Masonry, I will form my opinions based on personal experience and research. But not only by research, and not only by experience.

My opinion right which is not based on experience but research is that it is one of those Mystery Schools trying to get the disciples illuminated with their occult teachings, which is just in my opinion a good business. Cuz true spirits do not need any guides, they get there on their own, by their own will.

[edelweiss pirate]

I guess it is hard for you to understand that I do not believe anything, I believe in myself. I am independent mind, free thinker. I do not view anything as evil, or good. I view somethings as opposition to free thought, they not evil, but they try to push their filth onto others, which is violation of free will.

What do you think happens when you die?

What is the purpose of life?

You talk about 'free thought' but this I do not believe anything sounds like you don't have any thought.

[cryst4l]

What do you think happens when you die?

What is the purpose of life?

You talk about 'free thought' but this sounds like you don't have any thought.

ENDE, hold on a minute mate.

Trust no one.
Believe nothing you hear.
Hear your own heart.
Do what you think is right.
Put every idea to the test to find out what holds water and what doesn't.
Never stagnate into one set of beliefs, discard them all.
Keep your mind open, knowledge is the food for the soul.
Know thyself.
Be yourself.

This statement in itself shows thought :)

I actually really like fallensouls stance, in regards to mason's etc. At the end of the day they are still humans...PERIOD.

To hate them for representing what they stand for is not the way to be, they can make mistakes like all of us. As long us they do not try to use or manipulate us for the own end games, why should we hate any human, whatever their beliefs or practices?

[fallensoul]

What do you think happens when you die?

What is the purpose of life?

You talk about 'free thought' but this

Quote:
I do not believe anything

sounds like you don't have any thought.

Purpose of life is to try to lead the way to create heaven on earth, and if you know you have helped even one person to realize something about themselves that has made a difference in their well being, made them more confident, more brave etc. Then I have already succeeded.

Free thought, I am free to explore everything and try to gain higher understanding by considering everything. I think almost too much, because I never am content by saying "okay it is so" no, I always see more to everything. It is never ending learning process, some cornerstone truths will remain that cannot be changed for example: Inhibiting Free Will, or freedom is crime. No one can deny it. There is more but this is not about those things.

I don't know what happens when you die, but I do know that it is not the end. That is all I need to know. We will see to it when we come to that bridge :)

[cryst4l]

Purpose of life is to try to lead the way to create heaven on earth, and if you know you have helped even one person to realize something about themselves that has made a difference in their well being, made them more confident, more brave etc. Then I have already succeeded.
Free thought, I am free to explore everything and try to gain higher understanding by considering everything. I think almost too much, because I never am content by saying "okay it is so" no, I always see more to everything. It is never ending learning process, some cornerstone truths will remain that cannot be changed for example: Inhibiting Free Will, or freedom is crime. No one can deny it. There is more but this is not about those things.

I don't know what happens when you die, but I do know that it is not the end. That is all I need to know. We will see to it when we come to that bridge :)

Ah fallensoul, you are a breath of fresh air :)

Great post and great comments :D

[edelweiss pirate]

ENDE, hold on a minute mate.

Trust no one.
Believe nothing you hear.
Hear your own heart.
Do what you think is right.
Put every idea to the test to find out what holds water and what doesn't.
Never stagnate into one set of beliefs, discard them all.
Keep your mind open, knowledge is the food for the soul.
Know thyself.
Be yourself.

This statement in itself shows thought :)

I actually really like fallensouls stance, in regards to mason's etc. At the end of the day they are still humans...PERIOD.

To hate them for representing what they stand for is not the way to be, they can make mistakes like all of us. As long us they do not try to use or manipulate us for the own end games, why should we hate any human, whatever their beliefs or practices?

I don't say I hate them. I merely challenge them.

What you two are doing is called 'sitting on the fence'. That's ok until someone burns it down from under you.... then where will you be?

I've seen a lot of 'never' and 'nothing's from Fallensoul.... but not anything he's in favour of.
If you believe nothing you 'hear' then how does one acquire knowledge.

He favours negation.... So it seems. There is nothing original or constructive in that train of thought.

Like the song says:

'If you don't have a dream how you gonna make a dream come true!'

Regarding 'death'. I am doing all I can to find out what the score is. I already have built up quite a body of knowledge. From what I understand, ignorance of what happens when we die leads to problems such as becoming an earthbound spirit. That's why the Tibetan book of the dead exists. We in the West have no such similar guide book. We hide from death. How can you live if you don't understand what happens at the end of it and beyond.... I don't want to be a mere victim of circumstance, I believe in taking my destiny in my own hands.

[michael christopher]

I don't know what you Fallen Soul and Michael Christopher or Sean X believes because to be honest there never seems to be a cogent series of points made by either of you about yoru beliefs.

You are a flat-out liar and should be ashamed of yourself.

If you want to know what I believe run a search on my user-name, I have made hundreds of threads about what I believe.

[fallensoul]

I don't say I hate them. I merely challenge them.

What you two are doing is called 'sitting on the fence'. That's ok until someone burns it down from under you.... then where will you be?

I've seen a lot of 'never' and 'nothing's from Fallensoul.... but not anything he's in favour of.
If you believe nothing you 'hear' then how does one acquire knowledge.



Well my dream is free society, freedom to be, heaven on earth.

Knowledge is not knowledge until you have personally experienced it. You can read books about medicine, but you will not be a doctor.

What I do is collect everything I can. I read and research everything out there. And combine bits of what I have learned to build my own "profession" and daily put it into test, to find out what is the most effective way to resist indoctrination yet not piss off everyone in order to show them how to exist free and to be themselves.

He favours negation.... So it seems. There is nothing original or constructive in that train of thought.

Well more you know the more you need to negate the lies we kept thrown in our faces daily. Seems like defying the world is only way to understand it better :)

[edelweiss pirate]

You are a flat-out liar and should be ashamed of yourself.

If you want to know what I believe run a search on my user-name, I have made hundreds of threads about what I believe.

LOL!

I honestly have no idea what you believe because most of your posts are exactly like the one above.

Now's your chance. Clear the air once and for all!

[cryst4l]

I don't say I hate them. I merely challenge them.

What you two are doing is called 'sitting on the fence'. That's ok until someone burns it down from under you.... then where will you be?

I've seen a lot of 'never' and 'nothing's from Fallensoul.... but not anything he's in favour of.
If you believe nothing you 'hear' then how does one acquire knowledge.

He favours negation.... So it seems. There is nothing original or constructive in that train of thought.

Like the song says:

OK, now I know that words can be misread or represented but how are we sitting in the fence. I believe nothing I hear until it rings right to me, or I research enough to get to the same conclusion, I cannot just take someones word because of what we know from our enlightenment, you should know this as much as anyone else :)

In regards to the 'original' and 'constructive' comment ende, do you not think that this:

Trust no one.
Believe nothing you hear.
Hear your own heart.
Do what you think is right.
Put every idea to the test to find out what holds water and what doesn't.
Never stagnate into one set of beliefs, discard them all.
Keep your mind open, knowledge is the food for the soul.
Know thyself.
Be yourself.


is not original or constructive, because I do.

[cryst4l]

Well my dream is free society, freedom to be, heaven on earth.

Knowledge is not knowledge until you have personally experienced it. You can read books about medicine, but you will not be a doctor.

What I do is collect everything I can. I read and research everything out there. And combine bits of what I have learned to build my own "profession" and daily put it into test, to find out what is the most effective way to resist indoctrination yet not piss off everyone in order to show them how to exist free and to be themselves.

Well more you know the more you need to negate the lies we kept thrown in our faces daily. Seems like defying the world is only way to understand it better :)

Fallensoul your posts get better and better.....THANKS :D

[edelweiss pirate]

In regards to the 'original' and 'constructive'

Trust no one.
Believe nothing you hear.
Hear your own heart.
Do what you think is right.
Put every idea to the test to find out what holds water and what doesn't.
Never stagnate into one set of beliefs, discard them all.
Keep your mind open, knowledge is the food for the soul.
Know thyself.
Be yourself.


is not original or constructive, because I do.

I agree in some ways but I wouldn't live my life 'not trusting anyone' or 'never believing anything I hear'....

It's just a prison of cynicism in my view.

We need certain bases in order to progress and have stability. Otherwise we are just blowing in the wind.
Honestly, I still do not know what Fallensoul believes.... There is no meat there!

People with no beliefs are the first to criticise the beliefs of others. That's just not playing the game.

[fallensoul]

Fallensoul your posts get better and better.....THANKS

I am glad to hear that. And you are welcome :)

People with no beliefs are the first to criticise the beliefs of others. That's just not playing the game.

You are correct, I am not playing any games, I am the game.

[edelweiss pirate]

I am glad to hear that. And you are welcome :)



You are correct, I am not playing any games, I am the game.

That's very amusing but means nothing. It's a platitude.

No man is an island!

Love and life is based more on platitudes..


You are one of the first to attack Christianity as a system but what alternative would you offer?

How would you encourage people to work together for the good of each other and society as a whole?

I would advise you merely to be more practical in your thinking, we live in a REAL WORLD after all.

We can't just stick our fingers in our ears and negate everything and pretend it doesn't exist.

[cryst4l]

I agree in some ways but I wouldn't live my life 'not trusting anyone' or 'never believing anything I hear'....
It's just a prison of cynicism in my view.

Why not, would you trust a mason? Would you believe a mason? How do you know whether the person in fornt of you is on the good side or the bad side :)

The only person you can answer those questions too is yourself :D

It's not being cynical, it's being open, allowing the ability to listen to others opinions but at the same time checking what you are being told and not believing it blindly.

We need certain bases in order to progress and have stability. Otherwise we are just blowing in the wind.
Honestly, I still do not know what Fallensoul believes.... There is no meat there!.

In total agreement with this statement in regards to stability, but what if the bases is within your self? What are you asking fallensoul for? His beliefs in religion, it seems to me that he has answered this for you, in that he does not believe religion, it is clear (in my eyes) :)

People with no beliefs are the first to criticize the beliefs of others. That's just not playing the game.

Agree with this statement also ende, but look at your words above, could you not fit into your own statement in regards to beliefs?

[edelweiss pirate]

In total agreement with this statement in regards to stability, but what if the bases is within your self? What are you asking fallensoul for? His beliefs in religion, it seems to me that he has answered this for you, in that he does not believe religion, it is clear (in my eyes) :)


I am not asking for his beliefs on religion. You are falling into the same trap as he.

I am merely asking for his 'beliefs'..

Why do you assume beliefs are all about 'religion'.

I have no religion. But I have many beliefs. My beliefs make me informed about things I cannot prove or know for sure but what I feel to be right. Often they are borne out by experience.

My beliefs and my ethics give me a way to live my life that is in harmony with my wishes and the wishes of others.

[michael christopher]

LOL!

I honestly have no idea what you believe because most of your posts are exactly like the one above.

Now's your chance. Clear the air once and for all!

Okay, buddy, here you go:

The Spiritual Language. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79517)

The nature of things. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78460)

Evolutionary War - the key out of purgatory. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77807)

Is Apollo the morning star, and not Lucifer? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75948)

144,000 anti-Christs. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76714)

Oh, the insanity! (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70782)

Fellow time-travelers. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67322)

Zeus as Yahweh/YVHV/Jehovah (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60486)

Is matter crystalized light? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63748)

Spiritual symbiosis? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63090)

Apollyon (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61848)

The Lucifer archetype. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60386)

3 levels of 3D consciousness. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59451)

Interesting thing about group-think/bigotry. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54113)

The multi-dimension. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50905)

I also frequently post about what I believe on my blog (http://michaelchrisblog.blogspot.com/) which is clearly linked to in my sig. If you ever really wanted to know what I believe you could have clicked on it, but instead you like to play games and pretend I'm trying to hide my beliefs. And you claim to worship God. You are funny.

What God do you worship, little game player?

[fallensoul]

That's very amusing but means nothing. It's a platitude.

No man is an island!

Love and life is based more on platitudes..


You are one of the first to attack Christianity as a system but what alternative would you offer?

How would you encourage people to work together for the good of each other and society as a whole?

I would advise you merely to be more practical in your thinking, we live in a REAL WORLD after all.

We can't just stick our fingers in our ears and negate everything and pretend it doesn't exist.

Now you are just criticizing something for nothing. It is obvious that my path is not your path, we could discuss this for days. I won't force you to be anything or believe in me. But I will answer questions when asked.

But now you are going just off topic I am not here to discuss how to setup society or what we should replace the church with. I am here to discuss my views on things.

How to encourage people? Do they need to be encouraged? There is a thing called hunger that motivates even the most stubborn men ;)

Define REAL WORLD? Everything is subject to change.

Without chaos nothing evolves.

And I am not falling into any traps lol, the trap was something you said and something you are fixing to me. I never felt to be trapped, I feel free to be, my beliefs really, there is no need to discuss them, how I live my life is the standard you should judge me, not my words nor my beliefs. You don't know me, it is easy to judge and connect all these things to me in your own mind, which do not exist here where I sit.

[cryst4l]

That's very amusing but means nothing. It's a platitude.

No man is an island!

Love and life is based more on platitudes..


You are one of the first to attack Christianity as a system but what alternative would you offer?

How would you encourage people to work together for the good of each other and society as a whole?
I would advise you merely to be more practical in your thinking, we live in a REAL WORLD after all.

We can't just stick our fingers in our ears and negate everything and pretend it doesn't exist.

A religion is not needed to do this ende, and this seems to be what you are implying?

We, as free humans, have the exceptional ability of loving one another. Just by doing this and not taking a man/women's beliefs into account, looking at them as yourself will get us there. We are all one, we are all the same. Love your neighbor, love yourself.

And why can we not do this? The world would be a better place if we all did :D

[edelweiss pirate]

Okay, buddy, here you go:

The Spiritual Language. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79517)

The nature of things. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78460)

Evolutionary War - the key out of purgatory. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77807)

Is Apollo the morning star, and not Lucifer? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75948)

144,000 anti-Christs. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76714)

Oh, the insanity! (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70782)

Fellow time-travelers. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67322)

Zeus as Yahweh/YVHV/Jehovah (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60486)

Is matter crystalized light? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63748)

Spiritual symbiosis? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63090)

Apollyon (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61848)

The Lucifer archetype. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60386)

3 levels of 3D consciousness. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59451)

Interesting thing about group-think/bigotry. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54113)

The multi-dimension. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50905)

I also frequently post about what I believe on my blog (http://michaelchrisblog.blogspot.com/) which is clearly linked to in my sig. If you ever really wanted to know what I believe you could have clicked on it, but instead you like to play games and pretend I'm trying to hide my beliefs. And you claim to worship God. You are funny.

What God do you worship, little game player?

Some of those concepts are built from love and other from hate.

I advise you to look over your beliefs and try to tell which are which.

To be honest Michael I don't REALLY want to know what you believe. I just want you to question the inordinate amount of hatred you spill onto this forum.

[michael christopher]

Some of those concepts are built from love and other from hate.

I advise you to look over your beliefs and try to tell which are which.

To be honest Michael I don't REALLY want to know what you believe. I just want you to question the inordinate amount of hatred you spill onto this forum.

I advise you to explain what I believe that is hateful. You can't, you can only make the claim.

There is no hate in my heart, except hate for hatred, which is your sick religion. To hate a religion is not to hate a person. But religious people hate plenty of persons.

You are the one who is filled with hatred and intolerance. Your way is ending, which explains your tantrum. Also funny that you would reveal you don't care what I believe after going on and on about it for weeks as your primary argument. And you think you are not revealing what a game player you are?

[fallensoul]

To be honest Michael I don't REALLY want to know what you believe. I just want you to question the inordinate amount of hatred you spill onto this forum.

Well in Michaels defence I would say that what you perceive as hate might be love in someone else`s eyes. Something that attacks your beliefs might liberate someone else from his.

Here is some wisdom for you.

I want you to know, I want you to see
I want you to look beyond your own eyes
Past your afflictions

[suicidal_martyr]

Ignoring is always an option. That is if you aren't swelled up with pride and have to have the last word which seems to be the fuel to keep ongoing attacks and so called "debates" going...rofl. No one seems to question opinions from what I am seeing, it's ALL attacks. Unless I have missed some decent threads, i even had some moron go as far as to shun me because he has more posts then me. Like I really give a crap how long anyones been on these forums. I've been on them awhile myself, just never made an account to participate til now, which now I am have second thoughts about myself and will probably go back to reading, unless there is no limit to the ignore list. My ignore list is getting up there, I won't name anyone but mainy just fakes, and hypocrits, people who like to make you feel bad because your opinions on things aren't the same as theirs and they think they got all the answers and your just wrong about anything and everything. Pretty sure you could spot them out. To be honest I don't see much constructive criticism or debating going on in these forums, most of it is attacks and insults, lol. Shame..but yeh, ignore works if you work it. Can't say it won't be hard to relapse and peak what they post but if you swallow your pride you don't need the last word. Just like a let a couple idiots have the last words in some of my posts.

[fallensoul]

Can't say it won't be hard to relapse and peak what they post but if you swallow your pride you don't need the last word. Just like a let a couple idiots have the last words in some of my posts.

If no one is willing to have the last word, then how can there be a debate?

Just saying.

[cryst4l]

Hi ende,

I would like to ask, are you religious at all?

Do you have your beliefs?

If so, is it because other people have a different opinion to you that they are filled with 'hate'?

I see 'hate' alot too, but just because someone does not have the same beliefs as me, I do not look upon theirs as a basis of 'hate'.

[cryst4l]

If no one is willing to have the last word, then how can there be a debate?

Just saying.

Debate will always, always meet opposition of any kind :)

There is no debate without a last word, and if you need to 'ignore' because of opposition then that is wrong.

'Ignore' because of 'hate', now that is more acceptable :)

[suicidal_martyr]

I don't ignore on legitimate debates. Some people seem to have a misunderstanding of what "debate" means. Debating isn't attacking and flaming. Which is what I am referring to when it comes to using the ignore option. When people start to attempt to make you look stupid and undermine what you type and type something completely irrelavent to what point or opinion you shared isn't much of a debate. Not saying eveyone is like this but i can tell the difference between debating and insulting. Like right now, this is debating. No insults or attacks made.

[cryst4l]

I don't ignore on legitimate debates. Some people seem to have a misunderstanding of what "debate" means. Debating isn't attacking and flaming. Which is what I am referring to when it comes to using the ignore option. When people start to attempt to make you look stupid and undermine what you type and type something completely irrelevant to what point or opinion you shared isn't much of a debate. Not saying everyone is like this but i can tell the difference between debating and insulting. Like right now, this is debating. No insults or attacks made.

Quite right suicidal_martyr, I totally agree with your statement :)

[marpat]

Not read any Icke books then?

But his views on freemasons are highly biased. He is hardly an authority on what freemasonry represents. He just uses it as a glue to cement his theories together.