Illuminati Killed Michael Jackson

[hissil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy4yq8VCjBs

There's a reason he was killed. He was starting to speak out against the NWO. He exposed the media and education system for being lies and propaganda and was trying to break away from the Satanic Music Industry. He was killed, just like Hendrix, Marley, JFK, and Lennon because someone with this much recognition could easily expose them. Any mainstream musician who promotes peace and unity instead of hatred and separation becomes a target. His doctor was also a freemason.

[gaias child]

I agree, I've done lots of research into this and I have no doubt. He owned half of SonyATV publishing and he exposed the corruption of the music industry and Mafia Sony and left them, owning half of Sony. He exposed Tommy Mottola for being a criminal and got him sacked and the next thing was the child allegations, they were orchestrated by very powerful people .The intention behind it all was to ruin his career and create a financial situation to force him to sell his music catelogue. MJ said himself over and over the conspiracy against him to get his catelogue.

These concerts would have put him back on the map and people would have known that the media lies were not true and he would also have been in a position to be free of Sony. And a powerful person in the music industry one with a message for uniting the world with the power of love, tptb were terrified of the influence this would have, and their plans for the world so they had to kill him.

Sony have made loads of money out of his death, they sold more music in 24 hours after his death than in the past 12 years. AEG had insurance policy that covered overdose but not natural death, so they benefit, the owner of AEG Philip Answutz also has small media empite including examiner.com running every contradictory story under the sun on MJ. From demerol overdose not true,no demerol was found in MJ body in affidavit, to aids too him dying of an illness, it is all orchestrated by these powerful people.

Mj was not a drug addict this is orchestrated, he once had dependency on demeral 20years ago so they are rehashing old news to try and make him look like a drug addict,but no demeral was found in his body, according to affidavit, so these initial stories planted in the press by Uri Geller and others were untrue. He is a liar and involved in some way, he introduced Michael to Martin Bashir which was a set up.

Uri also did designs for MJ album invinvible that have loads of weird illuminati symbols on them ie a pyramid with a bulb, eye of horus, UFO, and energy vortex, star of david, one says Israel and USA, and lots of other weird symbols including one that means death of physcial body,they are on his site, one was used and one wasn't. The one that wasn't used has the more sinister symbols that carry the star with no name of god that mean death of physical body which are messages to communicate to others.

http://site.uri-geller.com/mj

Dr Murray says that he was giving MJ tiny amount of propofol only for 6 weeks, why would he start taking propofol, for 6 weeks before going on tour, it doesn't make sense, it doesn't help you sleep or help you rest, it makes you unconscious ,and the amount he says he gave him was so tiny it wouldn't do anything,but it could react with other things in his system, a herb called ephedra was found in MJ body, this can react with propofol. MJ was into holistic medicine and I believe he hired Murray thinking he was an holistic doctor,one said MJ was attracted to his zen like chopra esq approach but that has gone now, this one is left though.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529782,00.html


I suspect it is Murray as a freemason was poisoning him (unless someone else was doing it)with meds or herbs that would react, with propofol. I also believe this is a ritualistic killing and they forced meds down him in order to kill him at the end when their slow poisoning didn't kill him,hence the delay in calling Emergency, they had to force drugs down him and wait for him to be dead. I think they tortured him and told him they would orchestrate it so the world would think he was a drug addict, and I beleive they filmed it, The house was not sealed as crime scene so now conveniently the evidence is tainted which means it will be difficult for the prosecution to win this. The doctor will walk for this or just do a little time,he may end up dead either suicide or killed by of course a delusional MJ fan.

Also owner of AEG philip Answutz owns a small media empire, including examiner.com which in the past has put out every contradictory story that exists on MJ, from MJ having aids, being addicted to demeral, (we now know not true) to having terminal illness etc etc, the current stories are no more true than past ones.

Colony Capital who own Neverland this is owned by Tom Barrack who used to be attorney for Nixon and for Reagan, he is also lebanes and Dr Tohme MJ business manager, also lebanese who a leaked telephone conversations show MJ was terrified of and dr tohme controlled him including his finances,he also worked for colony capital. Colony Capital also bought the Savoy hotels with Blackstones which is linked to jacob rothschild so there are clear illuminati connections here.

There is a conspiracy of people involved and who benefit from MJ death, Mafia Sony, AEG. John Branca his lawyer ... he fired him in 2006, for siphoning of his money and worked for ziffren who also represented sony, when MJ was in negotiations against sony,this is illegal. Coincidentaly! enough he sent him a letter 8 days before he died reiterating that he wanted him to handle his affairs and be executor of his will, how convenient!! MJ made a new will every 5 years so the one from 2002 is a fake will. I wonder what happened to the genuine will.

The fake/old will was done on 7/7/02, his memorial was on 7/7/09 exactly 7 years earlier,he was buried 70 days after his death, and he died on 25th after summer solstice 2+5=7. MJ also had symbols of number 7 on dangerous cover and he wore the numbers 777,the message his army of love, his album in 2007 was called 7even.

Finally Michael was doing stroner human rights songs before the trials this one in 2004 about ending of war called we have had enough and these are all reasons why he was killed,as a celebrity None radiated love or generated as much love or knew thepower of love and Michael Jackson was about love his entire life. He scared the shit out of the NWO , everything MJ stood was the the complete opposite of the NWO. I'veheard from many reliable sources including fans who spoke to MJ shortly before he died and his makeup artist that the concerts from MJ view were about LOVE about how we needed love in order to heal the world,this must have been NWO worst nightmare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR8Vc2cOOnk&feature=related

he innocently questioned why
Why his mother had to die
What did these soldiers come here for ?
If they're for peace, why is there war ?



We're innocently standing by
Watching people lose their lives
It seems as if we have no voice
It's time for us to make a choice

Only god could decide
Who will live and who will die
There's nothing that can't be done
If we raise our voice as one

They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from us
We can't take it
We've already had enough

[starshine]

Doesn't the family of Michael Jackson run his catalogue now, and the Illuminati killed him because he was more profitable dead than alive.:(

[gaias child]

The catelogue goes to the trust which John Branca as executor of the will so he will decide what will be done with mj money and catelogue an dhe also represents Marty Bandier of sony.


MJ sacked JB in 2006 because he was siphoning mj money with Tommy Mottola, it was discovered during the trials and JB was representing sony as well as MJ which is illegal. The will from 2002 is fake, Mj made wills every five years, so the real will must have been destroyed. He had an attorney Johnny Cochran who died, conveniently around time of trials, when MJ found out about Branca and mottola, so he may have known about the real will.

John Branca tried to stop Katherine becoming trustee of the estate why? because I suspect he wants to fiddle MJ money siphoning it off for himself, he is corrupt and has done before and his business friends and sony are mafia. John Brana as executor of the will decide what his family have and will try and create a situation to force them to sell the catelogue. It is all orchestrated. Follow the money.

The wierd thing is JB has a letter that MJ wrote to him 8 days before he died reiterating that he wanted him to be executor of his will and to handle his affairs. Why would he write that 8 days before he died.

[linda28]

It's all just speculations. I believe Michael is not dead. There is more evidence pointing to that, than the illuminati. Dr Murray might not even be real. Where is he? No photos of him anywhere at all and he killed the most famous artist in the world. Doesn't make sense.

I think Mottola has better things to do than being bitter, years after (like banging his new latina babe wife). And if anyone killed Michael, they would go to jail for life, so who would wanna do such a crazy thing?

[gaias child]

It's all just speculations. I believe Michael is not dead. There is more evidence pointing to that, than the illuminati. Dr Murray might not even be real. Where is he? No photos of him anywhere at all and he killed the most famous artist in the world. Doesn't make sense.

I think Mottola has better things to do than being bitter, years after (like banging his new latina babe wife). And if anyone killed Michael, they would go to jail for life, so who would wanna do such a crazy thing?




Are you serious? Dr Murrays' pictures are everywhere, and I've seen one with his freemason necklace. That one isn't everywhere though. He has even done a youtube. It was even in mainstream media. I think Murray is the fall guy, what he gave michael would not kill anyone so I'mnot convinced it is him, although I think he is involved, he wont go to prison it probably won't even go to court. After all why haven't they arrested him yet? strange compare that with the way MJ was treated. If it does go to court he will probably die mysteriously, and they will blame it on a delusional MJ fan.

http://freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com/2009/09/michael-jacksons-doctor-conrad-murray.html

Also a media company admitted they hoaxed the mj might not be dead videos in order to show how easy it is for people to believe anything. this way though they are able to also discredit any real conspiracy.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/Michael-Jackson-Hoax-Video-Apparently-Showing-Jacko-Alive-Was-Experiment-RTL-Says/Article/200909115373045?f=rss

An ex MI5 agent I heard interviewed on Princess Di death said they do this kind of thing,they plant false conspiracies that get proved false and thereby all conspiracies are then regarded false. Besides, he could have gone into hiding if he wanted he has done before. No need to fake death and he would not cause grief to his fans children and family. So sorry but he is 100% dead. They had an autopsy !!!and a memorial and a funeral..

No he is dead because many people especially sony and AEG profit big time with MJ death and that is the reason. Not to mention the message he had to deliver at the concerts

[gaias child]

Doesn't the family of Michael Jackson run his catalogue now, and the Illuminati killed him because he was more profitable dead than alive.:(

I agree, he i s more profitable dead than alive read my post about on JOhn Branca,also MJ let sony have a stake in his catelogue, but there were clauses that if anything went morally wrong with MJ the catelogue went to sony and if he was dead it would go back to sony, a few months later the allegations happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-l5U1g4Bz4&feature=related

Also John Branca who is executor of MJ will, also works for sony yikes. Katherine fought to be a trustee,whilst John Branca tried to block, so she will try to keep hold of catelogue, but it isn't likely with these vultures on board. Mj hated sony and exposed them for being corrupt and left them, look at the killer thriller speech, on youtube where he exposes Sony

[linda28]

Are you serious? Dr Murrays' pictures are everywhere, and I've seen one with his freemason necklace. That one isn't everywhere though. He has even done a youtube. It was even in mainstream media.

No. His pictures are not everywhere. There are two pictures of him out there. And one is from 2006. The Freemason necklace is photoshopped.
And the youtube video is fake - it's made with this program, I don't remember the name of it - but it disguises the true identity of someone. And everything he said is very similar to Michael's words. He talks in riddles. So this video is highly doubtable.

So the question remains - why are there not any pictures of Murray after MJs death? Why not one single papparazzi taking a shot of him? Because he is not real. The papparrazi's managed to shoot the ambulance and MJ in the ambulance car (this picture was fake as well though) but they did not manage to get a hold of Murray. That's odd. Because they would make a lot of money if they did.

[krakhead]

The Illuminati murdered him? :confused: I thought it was definitely the CIA?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78970

Or are they the same thing? Or was it aliens?

That's it - aliens I reckon! :D

[linda28]

The illuminati did not murder MJ. There is no proof of that whatsoever, but only some gossip from the maniacs that blames it all on the illuminati.

Michael is more popular now than he has been for many years - so the illuminati would have more to gain by keeping Michael alive. Especially when he was said to be sick with cancer as well.

And no, Michael was not into some anti vaccine stuff with some woman, that's nonsense. He is smart, and he never talks politics. Unlike Madonna - she goes on stage telling Bush to suck this and that, and she is still alive. So Michael saying heal the world is nothing new. That does not make him a threat to NWO. The memorial in July was seen by a billion people and must be the biggest peace conference ever. How could NWO allow that then? Because they don't care.

Michael is alive. He either did this to make a huge comeback, or has gone into hiding in Dubai or some other country, and it has been planned for a long time.

[krakhead]

Michael is alive. He either did this to make a huge comeback, or has gone into hiding in Dubai or some other country, and it has been planned for a long time.

Excellent! Where's the evidence for this? I'd love to read it :)

[linda28]

Excellent! Where's the evidence for this? I'd love to read it :)

Lol. Evidence is that nothing is what it seems in the whole MJ death. Everything from false witnesses to fake photos to videos. So if the illuminati did this to Michael, they'd do a much more professional job that wouldn't have this soap opera of unanswered questions. And yeah, there are also a lot of clues, and numerology involved in this. They reveal one hint, then another. It's totally crazy and not normal.

[krakhead]

Lol. Evidence is that nothing is what it seems in the whole MJ death. Everything from false witnesses to fake photos to videos. So if the illuminati did this to Michael, they'd do a much more professional job that wouldn't have this soap opera of unanswered questions. And yeah, there are also a lot of clues, and numerology involved in this. They reveal one hint, then another. It's totally crazy and not normal.

OK. Cool, so where do we start then.......?

:)

[zarah]

Lol. Evidence is that nothing is what it seems in the whole MJ death. Everything from false witnesses to fake photos to videos. So if the illuminati did this to Michael, they'd do a much more professional job that wouldn't have this soap opera of unanswered questions. And yeah, there are also a lot of clues, and numerology involved in this. They reveal one hint, then another. It's totally crazy and not normal.

I absolutely would love Michael to be alive, from what I've read of his life, and I haven't been that much of a fan tbh, he's had an awful time. I also believe, again from what I've read, that he's been used by the elite and punished when he moved to work against them. The issue I have is that you don't actually have any evidence, you seem to be working on the premise that he must be alive because you think that photos were faked, there are unanswered questions surrounding his death, and subjective clues 'they' reveal. Can you not be more clear?

I've spent silly amounts of time on the net at death hoax sites, but I haven't ever read or seen anything which is anything more than wishful thinking.

[gaias child]

MJ was killed alright, he dies of cardiac arrest whilst living with a cardiologist, nothing adds up from the freemason cardiologist who doesn't even know how to do CPR and delays calling Emergency for up to an hour an half after he says he found him breathing why?

This shit is deep and most don't even understand what Michael Jackson was about and what a danger he was to TPTB, the zionist media did such a good job in assassinating his character.

I'm very clued up and done a lot of research in other areas, plus I've had my own experiences of what the system does when you expose it, I recognise the pattern.

RTL admitted hoaxing those videos that MJ was alive to show that anyone will believe a conspiracy theory, this is done to discredit the real conspiracy. RTL is owned by german Bertelsmann corporate media family. They are also linked to Sony. These are facts not theories. They also own random house books that publish Deepak Chopra, another so called friend of MJ who is just a media stooge who is also in the political think tank club of rome.

Deepak and Uri are media stooges and planted the MJ drug rumours in the media,those drugs Uri says MJ was taking ie demeral were not even found in Michael Jackson's body, and I've read the affidavit,so these are facts not theories, and they are both liars. They are both controlled owned by media coorproations, the entire media circus around MJ drug overdose death is scripted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann

[timmy]

Oh, if the missing video tapes from his home were found...
If somebody in this investigation even pay attention to that?! :mad:

[gaias child]

Oh, if the missing video tapes from his home were found...
If somebody in this investigation even pay attention to that?! :mad:


Exactly, why are they not investigating, either they are missing or it is possible LAPD have removed them for their investigation, they won't communicate what they find to us. I wonder why they are also not arresting Conrad Murray, given he has been charged with homicide.

[linda28]

I have not yet seen one LAPD person talk, or any doctor from the hospital. That's pretty weird.
And yes, if Dr Murray is to be charged, then why doesn't anything happen? We were told 2 weeks ago it was a matter of days before that happened...

No one has seen the dead body of Michael. We are told his children saw it on the June 25th, and two weeks later. Sounds crazy.

It's not easy to show one piece of evidence to why he is still alive because there are so many things entwined in the whole thing. One has to dig into it on their own I guess.
But many of the fans believe it is all a reality movie...

The RTL video does not prove anything. It had nothing to do with Michael. Anyone can make it and add fake license plates. So they did not fool any fans if that's what they wanted to do. Ok maybe a couple but.
It's totally different than what's going on within the family, friends and murder investigation - which is about MJ, unlike the RTL video.

Thing is, they want us to believe MJ died of a drug overdose but all his fans knows MJ hated drugs. So he would never risk his life, being the father of 3 children, by becoming addicted to drugs just 3 weeks before his big comeback.

So yeah, there are tons of fake stories out there coming from the same "source". Many people believe it is all done my MJ, to fool the media once and for all, and regain his fame.

[gaias child]

Here is a wonderful interview from Jermaine first outside of US in Ireland, where he talks a little about the conpiracy around MJ and to get hold of his sony catelogue..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqFs7u3PvBw



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU2b0qv0aZk&feature=related

[gushen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy4yq8VCjBs

There's a reason he was killed. He was starting to speak out against the NWO. He exposed the media and education system for being lies and propaganda and was trying to break away from the Satanic Music Industry. He was killed, just like Hendrix, Marley, JFK, and Lennon because someone with this much recognition could easily expose them. Any mainstream musician who promotes peace and unity instead of hatred and separation becomes a target. His doctor was also a freemason.


I've never been a fan of Michael, but I was moved to do some research on him after his death. As an amateur conspiracy researcher and a spiritualist, something told me that Michael's death was the beginning of something far more profound, something that is related to our progression through the End Times.

Michael was clearly a conscious individual. Don't think for a second that he was this childish, troubled individual. This is how the media wants to portray him: as Jacko, the Wacko. He was aware of certain things, of the conspiracy behind the entertainment industry, and even behind the whole world structure. He mentioned a "conspiracy" several times in interviews etc, but he would not go into details about it.

He also gave many clues in his songs:

(Michael)
Tired of the injustice
Tired of the schemes
The lies are disgusting
So what does it mean, damn it?
Kickin' me down
I got to get up
As jacked as it sounds
The whole system sucks, damn it
whoo!

See also 'They Don't Care About Us', 'Leave Me Alone' and other songs...

I recognize that he may have been manipulated by the Illuminati during his early career. He broke free and became a rebel. He broke with his family/father and went to build his own career based on what he believed.

His whole skin disease also has a important figure to it. He was a guy that literally helped the world with transcending racial differences. The crowds attending to his shows were a mixture of all races and ages, and he would move them all with his performance.

Many fans have expressed their love for Michael, the spirit, not the person. Michael was one of those transcendental artists. Wait a second, "one of those"? I cannot think of anyone else right now, except for a female singer/composer that I will mention later.

I also believe that Michael transcended DNA in one lifetime. Very few people can do it. I'll explain.

First of all, know that the spirit, and conscious / willed evolution, can override all DNA programming, but you cannot deny the existence of an hierarchy (note: DNA is a spiral [ladder]) in the physical universe. It is a hierarchy of power that exists in terms of the amount of energy that a creature can control. Certain genetic makeups correspond to certain levels of energy. If you could raise your energy level in an instant, your makeup would change accordingly.

The black race is stronger genetically and more adapted to life on Earth, but the white race has more potential for development -- enter technology and the majority of white people in power. So in terms of energy throughput (potential), you can say that the white race, and most importantly, the aryan race, are at the top. They say that the white race is more "brainy". Indeed, the brain requires much more power than the rest of the body.

There are books talking about the extraterrestrial Aryan race and how they are the prime form of humans (genderized) in the 4th dimension, or something like that. (Above the Aryans, only our original androgynous bodies before the fall from Eden.) So, maybe there was a true foundation to Hitler's delusions.

Now, you must understand that I'm strictly talking about the genetic ladder that permeates the universe. This is a fact. If some of you guys really think that there aren't genetic barriers in this world, you are deluded.

Michael was undoubtedly a very powerful individual that transcended DNA programming, and his work and skin condition reflect this. He went from black to white. How symbolic. Yes, they call it a disease, but I'm working on an archetype level here. See the clues, see the symbols -- it is all that matters on a fundamental level.

In a certain sense, Michael had so much power that he became somewhat untouchable by the occult forces behind the industry.

A figure like him with such worldwide recognition, speaking the truth about the media, and preaching for unconditional love cannot be left unchecked by the Illuminati. He was set up many times: Martin Bashir, the media, and money predators. He was also abused in police custody. People tried to destroy him and his career. Maybe they succeeded to an extent, hence his recent(?) problem with drugs.

The entire thing with plastic surgery and the fire accident is also very enigmatic. The way he continued to dance with his hair on fire... it just makes me think.

Michael himself understood that he was a powerful force against the establishment. He often portrayed himself as a mix of savior and angel. Later he changed into a more messianic pose. Now, if his death was really faked, we may soon have Michael, the messiah. I've heard rumors that he was going to reveal something during his 2009 tour.

Will Michael vindicate his messianic figure? Well, I have a positive intuition according to the following:

I've been a fan of Kate Bush, an english singer/composer, for many years. A lot could be said about this enigmatic woman. She was aware of certain things at the 80's, before I was even born, or interested into conspiracy theories.

Some of her songs, specially 'Experiment IV' and 'Cloudbusting', are about conspiracies. In the 'Cloudbusting' video, we see Wilhelm Reich being taken by the government and his work being confiscated -- exactly how it is rumored to have happened. It is said that Wilhelm's work was later incorporated into the Montauk project, which has a HUGE importance to this timeline and reality.

'Experiment IV' deals with the use of sound weapons by the military for the purpose of mind control. Dude, this is Montauk Project all the way!

As you can see, Kate Bush was touching on some deep stuff at that time. Like Michael, she had power over THEM. She removed herself from limelight. Also, EMI would stay put like a good doggy waiting for her albums to be produced, and she would produce them at her own time, home and studio. (I definitely should make a thread about Kate.)

Now, the interesting bit is that in her last album 'Aerial', the leading song 'King of the Mountain' is about the possibility that Elvis is alive, and perhaps waiting to show his face to the world again. If you research into folklore, you will find out that 'King of the mountain' is a motif in which a legendary hero dwells sleeping in a cave in a remote, high mountaintop, along with a body of his armed retainers. He sleeps waiting for his time to return (End Times?).

The connection with Elvis is that Michael used to talk about how he would eventually end like him. But how exactly like Elvis?

Just imagine if Michael really did fake his own death, then went into a temporary hiatus only to come back and reveal something to the world. I'm not religious, but I'm betting that "Archangel Michael" will come back on the moment of tribulation, whatever that may mean. Or maybe he won't be back in person, but in essence, as when something about him leaks through the media. I'm betting on it.

"Were sendin' out, A Major love, and this is our, Message to you, the planets are lining up, were bringin' brighter days, their all aligned, waiting for you! Can't you see? Your just another part of Me!" - Michael Jackson

[timmy]

Gushen, great post!
It's strange, but I'm thinking the same about Michael. :cool:

[chrysoprase]

I've copied my post from the "Michael Jackson Sinister Side" thread for possible relevance:


I think that the control over MJ was completed about a year after Thriller was released.

I was listening to the radio when I heard the news of him suffering third degrees burns while filming the Pepsi commercial. My gut (which is usually quite trustworthy) told me something was quite off about this info.

It felt like disinfo. But I couldn't figure it out at the moment because the last person at the time who needed more publicity was Michael. What was behind this?

I have come to believe that the photo/film we saw of him, on the stretcher and already in the ambulance - waving his white glove goodbye at the camera; was the last time anyone saw the real Michael.

Because the next time I saw him in public (after his treatments) he was very different. It was like he looked out of his eyes differently. I think he really was burned (intentionally) but that something else happened during his recovery and treatments. First of all, his jawline was changed.

I think the last video he did before this alteration was "Say Say" with Paul McCartney. Look at Michael's jaw. It is kind of short. Then look at his jaw in "We are the World". It is much different. His head went from a round shape to to the beginnings of Max Headroom.

I think this could have been done without Michael's consent. Alterations of one's physical being is a trick of Satanists (for instance) because it makes the victim feel alienated from their own self. And makes control easier.

Two days ago Oprah Winfrey did a tribute show to Michael. She replayed a 1993 interview with Michael at Neverland. During the interview, Oprah asked Michael what the crotch-grabbing was about. Michael explained that he was just feeling the music. That bass beats caused him to grab his crotch (and he described what other beats made him do).

He then said that he was a Slave to the Rhythm. Immediately - at the exact moment he said slave - alarams went off in the house. The interview was delayed.

When Oprah remarked upon that interview she said that the alarm was never explained and she found it very odd. She supposed it was a fire alarm but had never had anything like that happen during a taping.

It could be a coincidence. But were his controllers listening in and jumped at the word "slave"?

I am always intrigued by concidences.

In January 2009 I heard someone on Coast to Coast Talk Radio say that the Illuminati would do a ritual sacrifice on a pop star during the summer solstice. It would be done to create a certain type of charge and collective energy. Is that why Michael was killed? I wonder if all the details of the autopsy will ever be released. And I wonder what was really going on with Michael for all of those very strange years.

And when he died I was sad about those years. But I was happy for him because he was released from all of that.

[gwynned]

The most obvious evidence(to me, anyway) that there is some kind of cover up, is that there has been no major media coverage of the details of his death since it was ruled a homicide. You would think this would top the OJ story with constant up to the minute coverage. I've looked off and on at Yahoo and MSN after the announcement. Nothing. He wasn't even listed in the top 10 searches!

In a slightly different vein, there are a couple of enigmatic lines in the song They don't really care about us.

I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free"

Maybe it's just a throwaway line, but maybe it has a deeper meaning. Did anyone else pick up on this? Or am I just reaching a bit too far?

[gaias child]

The most obvious evidence(to me, anyway) that there is some kind of cover up, is that there has been no major media coverage of the details of his death since it was ruled a homicide. You would think this would top the OJ story with constant up to the minute coverage. I've looked off and on at Yahoo and MSN after the announcement. Nothing. He wasn't even listed in the top 10 searches!

In a slightly different vein, there are a couple of enigmatic lines in the song They don't really care about us.

I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free"

Maybe it's just a throwaway line, but maybe it has a deeper meaning. Did anyone else pick up on this? Or am I just reaching a bit too far?

The reason why you don't hear much about mj since homicide, is that the media is controlled and owned by tptb that would benefit from destruction of MJ first they character assassinate MJ with lies to destroy his career and create a financial situation to force him to sell his sony/atv publising catelogue and beatles songs. Whoever has this is most powerful in music industry and MJ refused to sell it. THey sought to character assassinate him first, but that didn't work he was making a comeback and everyone would know the media had been lying so they had to kill him and to make him look like drug addict, but something went wrong somewhere as I don't believe that the doctor was supposed to get charged with homicide. MJ ws supposed to be drug addict that OD. The doctor is a freemason and he has his own PR site since being accused. He will walk too, he may be a fall guy and if he is involved he was not acting alone. Dr Tohme is involved and Tom Barrack who owns colony capital, jacob rothschild is his buddy, this connection is possibly how tptb could seperate MJ from his finances, given the rothschilds run the banks and federal reserve. Both Tom Barrack and Tohme Tohme, guy of many aliases who MJ fired 6 weeks before his death are both of lebanese descent. Dr Tohme also had a business partner who was consultant to George Bush.

The media and tptb want you to believe that MJ was drug addict and they did that ad nauseam from what I could see until homicide statement was released. Now they are quiet. It may start up again when this is it movie is released.

6 jewish companies own 96% of world's media

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/six-jewish-companies-own-96-of-the-worlds-media/

Other media is also owned by people like rupert murdoch and rothschild

http://news.ronatvan.com/2009/03/29/reuters-and-the-associated-press-are-owned-by-the-rothschild-jewish-family/

There are many many connections, including Haim Saban global media mogul who also wanted MJ sony catelogue, and he owns channel 7 that uri geller is star of, hence uri involvment, Haim is also very pro Israel. There are other connections that point to tptb killing MJ and it is about power and money. Mj was also more valuable dead than alive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Saban

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saban_Entertainment

http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?s...&sectioncode=1



MJ was also living in the middle east and saw how they censored what was going on over there in the US.

He was going to speak out on the troubles there, and he empathised with problems of people in the middle east and he was going to speak out about invasion of Iran and the troubles in palestine , I know for certain his message was that we had a limited time to to heal the world before it is too late with love and unite, this message tptb did not want as it interferes with the plans for global domination, MJ was a persom who had huge global inluence, this is another reason they had to kill him.

He wrote a song about it. We have had enough

[chrysoprase]

The most obvious evidence(to me, anyway) that there is some kind of cover up, is that there has been no major media coverage of the details of his death since it was ruled a homicide. You would think this would top the OJ story with constant up to the minute coverage. I've looked off and on at Yahoo and MSN after the announcement. Nothing. He wasn't even listed in the top 10 searches!

In a slightly different vein, there are a couple of enigmatic lines in the song They don't really care about us.

I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free"

Maybe it's just a throwaway line, but maybe it has a deeper meaning. Did anyone else pick up on this? Or am I just reaching a bit too far?

I don't think it is a throwaway line. I think that says it all!

Something interesting happened on the morning of Michael's death. I periodically check out something called the Global Consciousness Project AKA Princeton Eggs. (link below). These "eggs" are placed around the world and are supposed to measure the collective energies.

On the morning of MJ's death, I checked out the page and saw something that I have never seen before! One of the indicators was stuck in a static position and was yellow. (usually they are red/orange and move up and down). I had thought that maybe a revolution had started in Iran - so went and turned on the news.

It was then reported that Michael had been taken to the hospital.... and you know the rest...

I think they are covering up more than we can imagine, about his death, about all the details of his autopsy. And who knows what else.

I also wonder about the timing of his death; I think TPTB wanted to create some renewed buzz about Michael; some hope about his comeback. And then strike.

Global Consciousness Project: (I use the Real Time Java Display feature)

(This gauges went wild when Princess Diana was killed. And hours before the first plane struck the first tower on 9/11 - it was evident that something big was about to happen).

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/data_access.html

[chrysoprase]

Sadly, one of my favorite photos of Michael is, what I believe, the last publicity shot that he ever took.

Warm, genuine, sweet. And fully in possession of his own body. There is somebody at home in that body - himself!

http://blog.cleveland.com/pdextra/2009/06/large_michael-jackson-and-brothers-pepsi-commercial-set.jpg

[linda28]

People are talking about the media being owned by this satanist or the freemasons - but thing is - CNN and especially Larry King Live who is doing all those interviews with all his friends and family - I think Larry is in on whatever death hoax they are pulling. He behaves so weird and laughs out loud and can't stay normal. Especially one interview with Jermaine Jackson he asks him when WILL MJ finally be put to rest and Jermaine starts laughing out loud like it was an inside joke. They both have difficult for staying normal.

Listen closely to Larry's question to everyone he interviews about MJ - you will understand it's like a stand up show - they are often talking a lot of nonsense but I don't think many people notice.

Michael's manager Frank DiLeo said the autopsy report showed no heart attack or damage to inner organs on Michael, but that it would have to be some allergy thing that happened. ? Weird.

What we do know is that Michael's closest friends and family behave weird and have been from day 1.

The doctor did not work with the illuminati because he was Michael's choice of doctor for many years - the doctor is also a holistic doctor.
So this reason for death being overdose of pills - not very likely considering many things.

Not to mention that fake ambulance photo - the guy who "took it" was paid a lot of money - he is a friend of Michael and have been for years. The video from the ambulance outside MJs home is also fake because they have proved now it was taped several times, like for a movie or something.

So to me, there is nothing that indicates the illuminati here - more like the Jackson's lol. But why we don't know yet what exactly is going to happen...

[hissil]

The illuminati did not murder MJ. There is no proof of that whatsoever, but only some gossip from the maniacs that blames it all on the illuminati.

Michael is more popular now than he has been for many years - so the illuminati would have more to gain by keeping Michael alive. Especially when he was said to be sick with cancer as well.


Do some research before saying retarted shit like that. There was a smear campaign launched against him, and he spoke out against TPTB on several occasions. the only maniacs are the people who are in denial because of their inability to cope with the truth that research reveals.

[linda28]

Do some research before saying retarted shit like that. There was a smear campaign launched against him, and he spoke out against TPTB on several occasions. the only maniacs are the people who are in denial because of their inability to cope with the truth that research reveals.

LOL. No, the ILL did not kill MJ. The people that say that are brainwashed with their ILL mantras. You need to do SERIOUS research into the Jackson family and Michael's history and friends. Do that, and then we can debate what's what.

[gaias child]

People are talking about the media being owned by this satanist or the freemasons - but thing is - CNN and especially Larry King Live who is doing all those interviews with all his friends and family - I think Larry is in on whatever death hoax they are pulling. He behaves so weird and laughs out loud and can't stay normal. Especially one interview with Jermaine Jackson he asks him when WILL MJ finally be put to rest and Jermaine starts laughing out loud like it was an inside joke. They both have difficult for staying normal.

Listen closely to Larry's question to everyone he interviews about MJ - you will understand it's like a stand up show - they are often talking a lot of nonsense but I don't think many people notice.

Michael's manager Frank DiLeo said the autopsy report showed no heart attack or damage to inner organs on Michael, but that it would have to be some allergy thing that happened. ? Weird.

What we do know is that Michael's closest friends and family behave weird and have been from day 1.

The doctor did not work with the illuminati because he was Michael's choice of doctor for many years - the doctor is also a holistic doctor.
So this reason for death being overdose of pills - not very likely considering many things.

Not to mention that fake ambulance photo - the guy who "took it" was paid a lot of money - he is a friend of Michael and have been for years. The video from the ambulance outside MJs home is also fake because they have proved now it was taped several times, like for a movie or something.

So to me, there is nothing that indicates the illuminati here - more like the Jackson's lol. But why we don't know yet what exactly is going to happen...

I don't agree with your conclusions. I definitely did not say satanists own media but the fact remains the media, banks entertainment industry, music industry etc is owned by complex powers most just happen to be jews, that is a FACT, I don't know whether they are satanists, some of them might be for all I know. TPTB do use symbols.

I have done a great deal of research and looked at the official documents not gossip on the net, and the fact remains no one knows who employed dr murray who is a freemason. If you doubt this. look at this photo of murray in his freemason necklace.


http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/blog/?p=307

Murrray also has his own PR site http://houstoncriminallaw-pressroom.com/ed-chernoff-quotes-about-doctor-conrad-murray/

AEG say Michael employed murray, but MJ did not sign a contract.. so we only have AEG word for it and tptb that own AEG are involved. I've got a whole load of research on ownder of AEG philip answutz and he owns a media empire too. AEG did not pay murray and told murray to sue the estate to get paid.

Murray could not have been a holistic doctor because he admitted giving MJ propofol, only a tiny amount though which would not harm anyone, the thing is MJ MAY have BELIEVED that dr murray was a holistic doctor, as he was having holistic treatments, the IV was for his electrolytes which he always had when rehearsing to stop him getting dehydrated, the IV was used by murderers to administer propofol, there were also herbs in his system ephedra, ephedra causes weight loss and insomnia and is given for hayfever, coinicidentally ephedra will react with propofol and cause cardiac arrest,maybe this is how it was done.

If these complex powers behind the music industry and media wanted to kill Michael Jackson they can orchestrate this, any way they want too.

Michael also had alist of people he felt were trying to harm him , Uri Geller, Rabbi Schumely, Tommy Mottola, Tom Sneddon and Dianne Diamnnd were on it. He constantly spoke about conspiracy all around him, it even came out in the trials there was a conspiracy against him and people conspiring to get his sony catelogue. These are facts not theories. He also told Dick Gregory he thought someone was trying to kill him and poison him. Read the court transcripts and do more research before you say there is no evidence that points toward a conspiracy or the illuminati. Do you know what the illuminati are, it means a complex set of powers owned by powerful people controlling things, like media banks music industry.

Also Dr Murray is a cardiologist but yet he did know how to perform cpr on a patient having cardiac arrest. This is odd. He also delayed calling emergency for an hour and a half after he says he found mj not breathing, and says he did't have a phone and he didn't know the address,this is BS,how can you not know the address of where you have worked for 2 months, anyway he could have asked someone or borrowed someone else mobile phone, this is BS to anyone. The plan must have gone wrong imo this is so crazy excuse so maybe MJ didn't die when he was supposd too, so they had to wait for him to be dead. The other thing is though MJ had been dead hours, by the time he reached the hospital , I did hear from someone else knowledgeable in this area that they had attempted to delay time of death by keeping him alive on life support on propofol before finally killing him to throw his time of death. this was planned. He had been dead hours as he had blood lividity and I heard from someone who is a trauma nurse this is how this is how this could be done.

Also if there was no organ damage as frank says, it is obvious he was not a drug addict, you get organ damage in no time from the regular use of some of those drugs

It is clear this is a cover up because the truth of what happened is not being reported in the media ,just like during the trials. why hasn't murray been arrested, compare this to how MJ was treated,the biggest criminal investigation in history,he was arrested and put on trial with no evidence. This is clear conspiracy.

This is planned and there are many others involved, they didn't seal the place as a crime scene so now evidence is tainted, which makes prosecution difficult. Staff were not asked for statements, all the staff were fired hours before mj death and new ones were brought in. Dr Tohme was at hosptal speaking as MJ Manager, yet MJ had fired him in May. Dr Hoefflin has come out and said LAPD are corrupt and he has evidence to put people in prison. Which ever way you look at it, nothing adds up 2 and 2 keep making 5. The powers that be behind the media are involved too with character assassinating MJ.

I think it was what he going to say that would have delayed NWO plans, I think he was going to expose what was going on in the middle east and how the US censor and that we need to unite and heal the world with love and it was our last chance, MJ was too much of a global influence,also these concerts would have put him back on the map, he was a true force for love and light and this was tptb worst nightmare. Look at what happened to John Lennon. Oh what a coincidence...

MJ closest friends did not speak to the media, they understand how the media works, elizabeth taylor,chris tucker, janet jackson, many of the ones that did speak are not true friends, they plant drug rumours which are untrue, ie uri geller.

The Jacksons did not murder there own flesh and blood, at the end of day what ever problems they had as all families do, they were FAMILY,and they believe there was conspiracy to kill him for his sony catelogue, and he did expose Tommy Mottola for corruption and called him and evil horrible human being and a devil!!

[gaias child]

LOL. No, the ILL did not kill MJ. The people that say that are brainwashed with their ILL mantras. You need to do SERIOUS research into the Jackson family and Michael's history and friends. Do that, and then we can debate what's what.

What do you call serious research? you have got quite a lot of disinfo yourself the cancer story is from the media, the media are not a reliable source of information and if you think they are there is nothing to discuss! what do you mean brainwashed by illuminati mantras, what mantras? I didn't even know there were any. I do my own research in depth, at all angles and looked at the evidence like the avidavit, that I can get hold of I don't even like the word illuminati, but do you not understand that there are complex powers controlling things, these are facts. I agree there is disinfo out there on illuminati, but we are talking about the conspiracy to kill MJ on this particular thread.

Anyone who thinks that MJ hoaxed his death and caused that kind of grief to his family children friends and fans does not understand the person MJ was. Yes MJ is more popular now since his death and more PROFITABLE but his message was stopped by killing him , too many people have said including make up artist karen faye on face book and a follower fan who spoke with him, and Michael Bearden have said that he had a message about healing the world through love. This isn't information you will find in media or even on the net, this is hands on information, that is where the threat was to tptb. He was also going to the middle east after the concerts to try and have an influence on ending the wars. He lived in the middle east for goodness sake. WAKE UP.

Also the complete control of his sony catelogue would have reverted back to him in2010 that sony were trying to prevent.

[linda28]

gaiaschild - I was not referring to you when I said do more research, but to that guy who started this thread and quoted me saying I was retarded or something. Unlike you, he did not reply to the fact why the illuminati could not murder MJ, instead just said some useless lines... but anyway,

first of all, yes, the cancer story in the media was media made, BUT my point was, guys like Tommy Mottola and others who did not know MJ for years, and who you say wanted him dead, and planned to kill him, could not know his true health state - i.e. - was he very ill with cancer, or not?

You say that no one knows who hired Dr Murray - yes we do know - it was Michael that hired him in 2006. And yes, Murray is a holistic doctor, don't you know MJ is very much into homeopathic medicine? Murray is also a very spiritual person..
The media stories, (all of them) about Murray are mostly false so it doesn't matter what they say. Ever thought about where these stories come from and why we hear one piece after the other?

You also say you don't agree with my conclusions - of what?! What I said about CNN - the bizarre interviews? Have you studied them? Might be a wise thing to do to get a little bit off the ILL theory. The reason people think MJ is still alive is not without reason. It is because his true fans, know that a lot of things don't add up. For instance, his closest friends and people he worked with through 30 years often insist MJ is still alive and speak of him in present tense. They are filled with love and huge smiles on their faces and say nothing about MJ being dead or killed. Haven't you studied the body language and dialogue of the Jackson family? There are lots of episodes out there, and yes, I do mean that if you want to know the truth, it is a must you start getting into this.
The Jackson family are in on it, IF there is a hoax. No one knows for sure what the truth is, but they do have a very weird way of behaving that's for sure. Also, Michael's closest friends and people he worked with i.e. Kenny Ortega who is directing the THIS IT IT movie now. He has done several "oops" since June 25th - starting with the memorial on 7/7 when he said Michael was just there five days ago. He said it twice. But MJ had been dead for 2 weeks.

You mean that AEG wanted money and killed him cause of that yeah? I too thought that at first, but after doing some research into Randy Phillips and others - I see there is no way they are murderers. They totally adore MJ as if they are in love with him or something.

And MJ was not going to speak out against the NWO- where did you hear this? Don't you know MJ hated politics and would never talk politics? Why do some people talk about the They don't care about us song? It's ridiculous, it was a song he wrote many years ago, it was just a song in many...Anyway, if MJ started talking politics on his shows - he would make a fool of himself. The media would describe him as paranoid and wacko. Why? Because he has no proof of any vaccine or anything else. And also because he is smart and knows the media would have made him look wacko if he did. And most importantly - he is an entertainer who was gonna do shows. So this was his biggest comeback, he could not afford to screw up - why would he have any interest in playing with politics?! It was Michael that wanted 50 shows, he was not forced into it - he wanted to be in the Guiness book of Records.

Uri Geller is a hoax man. It does not matter what he says. He is just trying to promote himself as usual. And Karen Kissinger - don't trust her words either - she talks a lot of rubbish, latest was that MJ never learned how to use the computer. She actually said that (!) And she is saying that MJ was very sick at the end. Unlike his personal trainer and good friend for 25 years, the incredible hulk, who says he was so happy and fit like a teenager. So we have two opposite stories about MJs health.
Some say he was sick, others say he was very happy. His dancers - they say he was dancing like a 18 year old. And Michael was indeed very happy. Wait til the move comes out on October 28th and see :)

What I mean about ILL mantras, are like the people that blame it all on them, without looking in depth of the story. A story there is more to than just Sony and Thome Thome.

The conspiracy against MJ - we could talk about this forever as it is so complicated. MJ calling Tommy a devil - what does that mean? I mean, how do we know exactly how to interpret that?
MJ was not a saint either. And if MJ would let people into his life that killed him - he had some wacko people working for him that adored him and would go a long way to protect him. (for money of course)
Seems like people portrait Michael as this poor helpless person. He was not though.

[gaias child]

gaiaschild - I was not referring to you when I said do more research, but to that guy who started this thread and quoted me saying I was retarded or something. Unlike you, he did not reply to the fact why the illuminati could not murder MJ, instead just said some useless lines... but anyway,


Sorry, I misinterpreted you, I also don't agree with people callling others are retarded, also though you did say people who believed in illuminati are maniacs which is equally disrespectful, I respect others have a different point of view, but to prove the illuminati have killed Michale is not really possible, they can orchestrate things to make it look which ever way they like, but what I have done in my posts is shown links to certain known powers such as colony capital and rothschild . A lot of info on the net and media is going to be unreliable but not all of it, ie court transcripts are pretty reliable. A lot of people process information differently from their perceptions and they recognise patterns when illuminati are involved and this seems to be one of them. You can just sense it. That should not be discredited and anyone who has done a lot of research in illuminati or had experiences with tptb will sense this.

You say that no one knows who hired Dr Murray - yes we do know - it was Michael that hired him in 2006. And yes, Murray is a holistic doctor, don't you know MJ is very much into homeopathic medicine? Murray is also a very spiritual person..
The media stories, (all of them) about Murray are mostly false so it doesn't matter what they say. Ever thought about where these stories come from and why we hear one piece after the other?



I could not find a reliable source that said Michael hired him in 2006 could you provide me a link to your source thankyou. Because I read that was false information and Ihave not been able to find how Michael met Conrad Murray I''m open that he may have known him longer, that doesn't stop him being a freemason who murdered MJ because he was a doctor in massive debt, who may have been prepared to do anything for money I'm also open to the fact that he may be a fall guy and when he says he only gave mj 25 mg of propofol he is telling the truth and someone else administered the lethal amount. Yes I do know that MJ was into holistic medicine, that is what I explained in my other post, that imo MJ may have been mislead into believing murray was holistic doctor and there were herbs ephedra in MJ system, that cause insomina and weight loss and can react with propofol and cause cardiac arrest, but murray says he is a cardiologist who did not know how to do cpr he did it on the bed not a hard surface, that is crazy, a cardiologist who does not know how to do cpr, also if he is holistic why has he admitted administering propofol, not even a mainstream doctor would administer that, so he is not very holistic. So that info obviously wasn't true. The reason, he is involved with killing him imo but had hoped it would go down as overdose, mj had blood lividity which means he had been dead hours so why did he not call emergency, he did cpr in front of the child in order to have a witness he was trying to keep him alive even though he was dead. I do not believe he acted alone. He hasn't been arrested, it won't go to trial, because tptb will be afraid of other names coming out, and if it does he will be suicided.

MJ was not going to speak out against the NWO- where did you hear this? Don't you know MJ hated politics and would never talk politics? Why do some people talk about the They don't care about us song? It's ridiculous, it was a song he wrote many years ago, it was just a song in many...Anyway, if MJ started talking politics on his shows - he would make a fool of himself. The media would describe him as paranoid and wacko. Why? Because he has no proof of any vaccine or anything else. And also because he is smart and knows the media would have made him look wacko if he did. And most importantly - he is an entertainer who was gonna do shows. So this was his biggest comeback, he could not afford to screw up - why would he have any interest in playing with politics?! It was Michael that wanted 50 shows, he was not forced into it - he wanted to be in the Guiness book of Records.


No we don't know he was going to talk about NWO , that is not what I said at all, I said his message was about love and uniting and ending of war and he has spoken about ending of war and love and uniting in the past actually, here is a speech where he talks about ending war love and uniting. from 2.24 onwards. This was 7 years ago too, I think he would have been even more enlightened by now after his experiences with tptb


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpgWEbuU5TY




you say he hated politics, but he had a lot of political contacts and did gigs for bill clinton in the 1990s when he thought they were a force for a better world before he woke up. He had martin luther kings children as friends, not to mention Dick Gregory and Nelson Mandela as friends, these are political people, and he sang about human rights and he was well known for being outspoken many times on injustice on many ocasions about sony, mottola, rascism the conspiracy against him before the trials. His cncerts in the past delivered messages and this time since the trials and his expereince with tptb and having lived in the middle east and seen the censorship this time he had an important message, he told a follower fan in the past he has talked about how we should heal the world with love and to unite, this was also in so many songs, the message is obvious to me. if you watch his other concerts, there are messages ie the earth song, he talks at the end about what humans have done to the world heal the world song, since then he has done anti war songs, Michael Bearden said on radio show the title this is it, meaning was this is the last chance to heal our planet and I believe and resonate with this. In addition to several follower fans being told it was about we had a limited time to heal the planet, Karen faye I know talks a lot of rubbish, she does now anyway but first day after MJ death she said the same thing about this message,which she deleted the same day, why? I cut and pasted it though. I think she is being advised/paid to distract people from the truth that is why she talks ish. Mj did live in the middle east,he saw how they censored what was going on in US and he was going back there after the concerts, that was where he made his home he was extremely empathetic to the problems in the world including the middle east and I have no doubt the stage was going to be a platform to perform and deliver the messagae about love and untiing and healing the world. He lived in bahrain with prince of bahrain who sued him, they made an out of court settlement december 2007 no one knows what that was, but 3 mnths later march 2008 MJ knew he was doing concerts, Many say he may have settled in return for using the stage to deliever a message about probs in middle east, I agree we can't be certain about this, but should be open to the possibility. I don't believe in the Jane Burgermeister flu vaccine thing as she has discredited that anyway. I think MJ was an outspoken person on injustice in the past before the trials and I have no reason to think he wouldn't be again but it would be mainly through his songs,and with messages like he does on the earth song, I mean that is a political message that is what I feel he would have done again. Songs like they don't care about us have martin luther king in the background saying" this is the greatest demonstration for freedom in history", this is a political statement... Yes it was written years ago and his more recent ones seem more aware to me about the problems, there was we have had enough a song about childen dying in war. To me his songs were stronger with messages about the world since the trials than before so on that basis together with info I have heard from fans I think there was a message but that is my opinion. The lyrics are poignant and it is a statement. But there are loads loads more songs like that. MJ communicated his messages through his music, that is what he did. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/We've-Had-Enough-lyrics-Michael-Jackson/51BB61887917AD4E48256F56000FEF42

Uri Geller is a hoax man. It does not matter what he says. He is just trying to promote himself as usual.

He also has a cia secret service ,mossad background, and is an ex para trooper, I don't think this information is well known, the bit he tells to the media is that was picked by government to be studied, this is not what Imean, but maybe he was. MJ also made a list himself of people out to harm him, tommy mottola and uri geller were on that list, it is on youtube and it is in his handwriting, that is genuine. I already knew Uri Geller was anyway, but that confirmed it absolutely, this was more than just a tif, MJ knew he had been set up. Where does Uri get his multi million pound lifestyle from certainly not from hoax tricks. His media persona is probably a mask to hide his true purpose, that is my opinon. He has used crytpic illuminati symbols on MJ invincible cover. Iknow enough to know they have meaning and it is sinister. Another thing uri geller did is imply MJ was guilty after MB documentary on itn news, but recently on another documentary after mj death he said he knew he was innocent because he had hypnotised him, well if he knew why did he not say so in 2003,he is a LIAR.

They are filled with love and huge smiles on their faces and say nothing about MJ being dead or killed. Haven't you studied the body language and dialogue of the Jackson family? There are lots of episodes out there, and yes, I do mean that if you want to know the truth, it is a must you start getting into this.


I have only ever seen them look quite greif stricken especially Jermaine, he still cries on every interview I've seen and he also talks about conspiracy around mj catelogue, the fact MJ put his all into helping others, the planet, sick children ,homeless and orphanages, he does not look happy. I know there are some fans who blame the Jackson's, I don't get it myself. Who is laughing. They were not laughing at memorial. Who else do you mean? There was an interview with La toya, do you mean that one. Joe is hardly the type to show his emotions anyway. There is no way they are involved with MJ death, opportunists maybe, but that is what comes with having an icon in the family.



What I mean about ILL mantras, are like the people that blame it all on them, without looking in depth of the story. A story there is more to than just Sony and Thome Thome.

The conspiracy against MJ - we could talk about this forever as it is so complicated. MJ calling Tommy a devil - what does that mean? I mean, how do we know exactly how to interpret that?
MJ was not a saint either. And if MJ would let people into his life that killed him - he had some wacko people working for him that adored him and would go a long way to protect him. (for money of course)
Seems like people portrait Michael as this poor helpless person. He was not though.



You can't prove the illuminati killed MJ it is something you recognise as a pattern, it sound like though you dismiss all existence of the illuminat. Iknow the conspiracy with MJ is complex I know it is deeper than sony and thome, that is why I mention colony capital and barrack's buddy rothschild and also Uri Geller employer global media mogul haim saban, very pro Israel both these expressed interest in buying Mj stake in sony catelogue, although I doubt that is saban reason for kiling him. The info Ihave collected is so vast it is impossible to summarise. ie there are links on the higher echelons with NOI and jewish maffia. It is a factthere was a conspiracy against MJ he said it himself and this was even mentioned at the trials

MJ was more profitable dead than alive ,and as I said the control of his sony/atv catelogue was going to revert back to him in 2010, and I think there are powerful people that did not want that, as marty bandier has even said he would kill for a good catelogue, and now he is ceo of sony, oh and branca the one who would sell his soul for money represented him too. I suspect the main characters/suspects are just puppets and this is orchestrated from higher up, of course there won't be any justice for Michael, I think it is possibly even way deeper than the bits I've connected. As for calling tommmymottola a devil he also said he was an evil horrible human being that was rascist had abused mariah carey, had her followed etc and he had to be terminated for what he was doing to the music industry by detroying art, Tommy mottola was sacked, the thing MJ did not understand at the time in 2002 when he said it that it is tptb at sony in control,not necessarily just tommy mottola. I bet he realised that now though.

The bit though that is important to remember MJ for is he was a shining light with real love for humanity, he said himself his mission was to heal, of course this gets taken out of context and he gets called messianic, no he wasn't a saint, no one said he was, he was a delightful sensitive pure hearted human being that these days is extremely rare he just had a pure heart, he also was a global icon who on the stage with this message had the power to have global influence above any world politician,his message was not about politics, the politics bit wouldn't bother them, it was about love and uniting and ending of war , it was the message that love and uniting could end war, this was what terrified tptb, they orchestrate the wars, that is indisputable as far as I'm concerned and no one can deny that MJ radiated and generated love across nations like no one else could. I believe MJ was a modern messenger of sorts for many people.

[linda28]

gaiaschild,

Well, who knows what the truth is. I know the illuminati could kill MJ if they wanted, but I wonder why they would leave such a soap opera out of it. They could just have hade a "super agent" shoot him or something.
So the thing is we are told MJ was a drug addict and died of that combo of drugs. But he was very much against drugs so that does not make sense.

The 911 call on June 25th was weird - some people believe it was not real and just a part of the hoax since the operator hangs up after saying "alright call back if you need anymore help" while MJ is dying right in front of him. The caller - where is he? He sounded very calm to be looking at MJ actually dying in front of his eyes. And he didn't even say it was MJ. Not normal IMO. Murray performing CPR on bed on someone who had a pulse - let's hope it's a part of the hoax to get attention. It certainly does not avoid attention and conspiracy thinking.

After MJ arrived at the hospital, the fire alarm went off, and we hear someone say they saw MJ in the basement.

The conspiracy against MJ - would it go as far as to lead to murder? Money is one thing, but murder and risk life in prison is something totally different. I mean don't these people, Tommy M, have lives? Of course they do - doesn't he have like his own company where he promotes new artists? And a new gorgeous wife. So spending the rest of his life only obsessing with murdering MJ... I dunno :-\

I can understand MJ hated Tommy if he tried to sabotage the promotion of the Invincible album. Mariah saying TM is abusive ok, I just don't think he is a murderer though.

About politics, sure MJ cares about earth and all, but he was not like John Lennon, showing up everywhere, promoting peace here and there. He more like talks about these pipe dreams of beauty and love. Quoting Martin Luther King is not gonna threaten NWO enough to want to kill him.
And the memorial was a huge peace conference on it's own, and we got more tributes coming. So if illuminati killed MJ to avoid him getting the word out about peace and love, they must have done a bad job at that...

The Beatles catalogue - kill for it - now?

I don't know if Michael will ever appear again and has hoaxed his death and hiding somewhere in the middle east, or if he is working on a movie that will make sense later. I don't believe he is dead though, or that the ILL killed him.
He was working with magicians for his THIS IT IT tour, that have said MJ had two surprises that would shock the world.

Some of the dancers have moved perm. to LA to work with the people that was working with MJ for the tour. That's odd. They have been writing messages on their websites like "THIS IS NOT IT" - on the day MJ died. And writing about having dinner with people and MICHAEL, lol. So why do they deliberately do it for the public, I wonder.

Jermaine has cried a few times yes. I think it's the love for his brother, not over his death. At the memorial we saw Paris smiling a whole lot and giggling with Kenny Ortega - right after her speech. Prince was chewing gum and looked bored to death. It doesn't seem they were torn apart.
Jermaine said in interviews that the children saw MJ two weeks after his death and said goodbye. That sounds crazy.

MJs father said to the media "This had to happen. He was the world's biggest star and everyone had forgotten about him".

One thing that would be brilliant to do, if MJ was indeed receiving death threats or suspicious about it, he could do all this to save himself for the future. If he shows up ever again, how could Sony or anyone else go through with that you know...

The people that was closest to him said he was the happiest ever, so if he was paranoid about getting killed, that doesn't make sense. I think those tapes of him being paranoid are from way back in 2003-05 or something.

[asedora]

Hello everybody!

Ok to make situation more clear with illuminati and Uri Geller as a part of them I am removing patrtially one thread I started on another forum. I think it is very heplpful to read and to learn.

Here it is:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71278

This is my first post here. I think MJ fans are very special people and it is because MJ was a very special human being ever walked on this planet. I am here because I have something important to say and to share my feelings and my thoughts with you. English is not my first language but I will try to do my best and I hope you will be patient reading this.
Well, tell you what? I’ve never been “hardcore” MJ's fan, but I always had a little place for him in my heard. The news about his tragic death was shocking and I just couldn’t stop crying for a few days and I still didn’t recover.. I didn’t expect that kind of reaction from myself. It is really heartbreaking and painful. It tells me that Michael Jackson was much more than just King of Pop. .
I just wanted to say something about investigations and how I feel about it. Let say, first of all, when this terrible news came out I was absolutely positive that this is a murder. I could feel it almost through my skin. And it is no way that I am trying to say that I am a super psychic, but I have some sort of gift which gives me ability to feel crime. It appears like pictures in my mind, words from nowhere plus my logic. I have this kind of sensitivity or “smell” to find out that something is not right. And it doesn’t matter what is that financial fraud or another type of crime. Honestly I wish to have another gift, but I have just this one. Sorry.
So, I want you to know that Michael case is 100% murder. And it is not a second degree murder it was planned for many years (not months) by very powerful group of conspiracy.
I am sure that doctors are involved even dentists (they have to check dentists as well).But it just a tip of iceberg. I hope, that people who behind it will go to jail eventually. I feel that Doctor Conrad Murray wasn’t the guy who wanted to kill MJ.. Just some people trying to make him look like that. There is a possibility that something was going on in the house before, because as you know, all tapes from video cameras suddenly disappeared.
Now let’s take a look at Michael’s “friends”. Honestly I do not trust even one of them.
1. Elizabeth Taylor was the closest friend to MJ for YEARS who had to help him if there any problems. I believe she knew that something is not right. She wasn’t blind right? Also, I feel that Elizabeth Taylor had some sort of feelings to Michael based on her sexual interest but she didn’t get any respond from him. So, she probably just didn’t care or she cared too much and finally introduced him to the “right” specialist. Sometimes people can wear a very friendly mask for a long time.
I do not trust her at all because she was the one who recommended Michael Dr. Arnold Kline’s clinic. I believe, she knew that Michael has problems with drug addiction. I think, she decided just let it go.
2. Dr. Kline and his assistant Debbie Rowe are both involved. Those two people have been working together for years. I think they played on somebody’s side as well trying to find some weak points in MJ personality and health conditions, providing incorrect treatment. It looks freaking strange that Dr. Kline could be a physiological father of two older kids like he said lately! It seems like Debbie Rowe and Dr. Kline just put those kids to Michael Jackson house to get millions of dollars from him. Now they have a chance to get kids and money together. Amazing!
3. Well I am going to discuss the most important figure in this huge mess. His name is Uri Geller. I can smell trough my skin that this guy is freaking asshole. I do not trust this guy even one split second! First of all this person has a VERY specific background. Uri Geller was born in Israel and he is related to a very famous crazy psychiatrist Sigismund Freud on his mother side. Sigismund Freud also was a specialist on dream analysis and hypnosis. Uri Geller has paranormal abilities and he used hypnosis in his practice as well. He was trained in Israel and during cold war with USSR this person used to work for FBI and other similar organizations. Once he was trying to clear up some secret files in KGB servers. I do not think that he was able to do this but his brain was tasted in special “brain institution” and it is proven fact that he has paranormal abilities. This is just a short history of his profile.
Just let’s come back to Michael Jackson’s tragic and very sudden death. What bothers me a lot, that Uri Geller was the FIRST one who appeared in MJ house with another body guard. Guess, what this person was doing there? He wasn’t MJ close friend at this time. Why he was the one who found an empty package from Demerol in garbage container? Why it was that important to him? Did another body guard saw him taking this package from garbage container or just saw it in his hands? Another question is why Uri Geller was the first one who gave an interview to media? He did a few interviews for first a couple days. The main point of all his freaking interviews is that MJ was drag addict individual and that he could get any kind of drugs he wanted using different names. It is pretty obvious that Uri Geller tried to hide something putting dirt on Michael’s name.
Now, let’s see what Uri Geller did one month before MJ was killed. Because I speak 2 languages, I usually watch some shows on Russian TV. My first language is Russian. So, in May 2009 Uri Geller was participating on popular show on our national TV. I have no idea what was the point of this show but one detail makes me sick. During the program Uri Geller showed his very important talisman. He said that he keeps it in his pocket all the time. He said also, that this talisman gave him John Lennon only 2 days BEFORE he was killed! For some strange reason Uri Geller was his friend as well. And before John Lennon was killed, he called Uri and asked him to come over and they met in the hotel in New York.
John Lennon wasn’t feeling well and sowed him this “talisman” saying that aliens gave it to him. I looked at “talisman” and my heard started beating like crazy. It looked like a bullet, just bigger size gold bullet. Uri calls it “egg”. I do not give a sh..t how he calls it, but it definitely was a bullet, big size! I am absolutely positive, that people like Uri Geller use their paranormal abilities to keep somebody important under control or force them doing crazy things. The question is why this person was beside John Lennon 2 days before he was killed and the same person was MJ’s friend for a long time and then appeared right a few minutes after Michael was driven to the hospital? It looks very suspicious. Personally, I feel like my fingers are touching something very sticky and smelly.
I know from Uri Geller website, that he used hypnosis on MJ to “investigate” a “child molesting case”. I am absolutely sure that during this kind of “treatment” and physiological games he could easy put MJ under control. Also, if hypnotist tells you that you have to do this and that, when you wake up you will do it, it will stay in your mind. Uri used to tell MJ many times “Michael, you gonna kill yourself with drugs!”. If it was a warning, it is one thing. If hypnotist says something like that when person is asleep, it is like human brain recording this information. It could be very dangerous manipulations, sometimes fatal.
If somebody ever looked what kind of design Uri Geller provided for Michael’s album Invincible? I suggest you to take a look at Uri Geller website. There are some secret religious symbols. I am not ready to go that deep in this point, but one symbol means simply “death of physical body” and Michael name beside. It makes me sick.
Well, one thing I know for sure, Michael Jackson death is a big mystery. There are some other people behind Uri Geller and group of doctors. All those people mentally sick and greedy. People with similar mentality and believes killed Jesus 2000 and many good people after Jesus. Nothing has changed since then.
This all for now. I can say more I just do not want to, because it is an open forum. I just wish that investigators and family will do everything possible to put somebody in jail. Michael Jackson is a huge loss for millions of people..... .

Thank you.


Great Post
I too agree with you Geller is involved in his death. I even wrote a post about Geller
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=71038

I think Rowe and Kline are involved too. The people who planned this is the Hollywood Entertainment VIPs who control Movies Music and Media. Forget the "Illuminati" crap of nameless faceless people. The names of the Media controllers can be named.

People I believe were and are involved (maybe not the killer(s) are

SONY- John Branca Tommy Motolla Frank Dileo
AEG- Randy Phillips Conrad Murray
Colony- Tom Barrack Thome Thome
Uri Geller
Ian Halperine( who"knew" MJ had 6 months left)
Debbie Rowe
Dr Kline
Nurse Cheryl Lee

Media whores and possible detraction

Jermaine Jackson
Brian Oxman
Mark Lester
The endless TV Guide channel MJ nonsense
AGE lawsuit

Others who are silent

Steven Spielberg MJ's "friend"
Paul McCartney obssessed with the Beatles songs
John Landis MJ's "friend"
David Geffen MJ's "friend"

People I fear will be murdered "die"

Katherine Jackson
One or all of MJ's kids
Latoya Jackson( who also knew it was murder)
Elizabeth Taylor( who suddenly was hospitalized)


4. Just adding another evidence against Uri Geller persona . Any specialist in psychiatry or even not a specialist who read this can tell that Geller used to keep Michael under mental control It just worked out the same like it did for John Lennon with aliens. What an asshole Uri Geller. I really hate I him. I wish somebody sends him someday to the Moon using Russian military rocket system S-400. What an idiot.

Here it is:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/show...k-on-moon.html



In the message left at 3am one morning ***** beams: "Uri Geller, it's Michael Jackson calling¿erm when you get this message, please know that I pray we do the moon trip.

"I want to be the first one to do it in the pop world. Now I hear that 'N Sync and all these people are trying to go. I want to be first¿please.

"And let's do hands across England and let's think of some other wonderful things. I love you. Goodbye."

The message was left in 2002 after Uri told ***** there was a Boeing scientist with links to Nasa, Martin Coeffoletti, who thought the trip could work.

At the time other singers like Lance Bass from boyband 'N Sync had entered the race to get to space.

And ***** became obsessed with beating them.

Uri, 62, told us: "He wanted to be the first popstar in space so badly. He had to be first.

"He knew it wouldn't only be history-making, it would be history-shattering. Can you imagine¿Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk on the moon?

"It was unbelievable the determination he had. It was a burning desire to walk on the moon.


PS. This is video I was looking for.This video shows better than pictures that MJ under total mental control . You do not need to be a specialist to see it. Poor Michael, i am so sorry for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHJril-J1y4&feature=fvw

[gaias child]

Brilliant post Asedora,

Do I think a syndicate of powerful people killed MJ, you bet I do, for money and power.

The sony/atv catelogue is not just beatles songs, it contains publishing rights to just about everyone including elvis, pink floyd and it was valued by meseraux at 5 billion dollars. Michael said himself there was a conpspiracy to get it and a situation was created to try and force him to sell it. He also said in the past people were out to harm him or kill him and now he is dead. From further research I don't think it is to do with beatles songs as most money there goes to emi,not sony.

I don't think Mj hoaxed his death, I wish... he could disappear if he wanted and had done in past. If you understand MJ you must know he does not have it in him to cause this kind of grief to his fans.

It turns out the will is almost certainly fake as I suspected as Mj made them every 5 years and he sacked Branca in 2006 as he realised he was not representing his best interests but sony's. So it is likely he made another will, an dif he didn't why not, things do not add up at all. This video shows some facts on validity of MJ will, such as it doesn't have correct names of children, why would he sign a will that didn't have the corrrect names of his children!! 2 of the witnesses to MJ signing are 2 of the the executors...WITNESSES SHOULD BE PEOPLE OTHER THAN EXECUTORS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvu301ATe_0


Mc Clain and Branca are also exectutive producers of this is it movie, and cd, this is so blatant it is unbelievable. I'm so sad that this topic has been moved to trivial celebrity deaths section . I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this is clearly a cover up of some magnitude. AEG is also sold rights to sony, how convenient and have a deal to install sony digital equipment in Regal cinemas. AEG and regal cinemas is owned by Phillip Answutz.

I feel so sick and sad at the evil in this world and what is being done to this man in the media.

[hissil]

LOL. No, the ILL did not kill MJ. The people that say that are brainwashed with their ILL mantras. You need to do SERIOUS research into the Jackson family and Michael's history and friends. Do that, and then we can debate what's what.

You are completely wrong. You are the brainwashed one here denying facts and evidence. Do your research before spreading more propoganda.

[hissil]

gaiaschild - I was not referring to you when I said do more research, but to that guy who started this thread and quoted me saying I was retarded or something. Unlike you, he did not reply to the fact why the illuminati could not murder MJ, instead just said some useless lines... but anyway,
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And MJ was not going to speak out against the NWO- where did you hear this? Don't you know MJ hated politics and would never talk politics? Why do some people talk about the They don't care about us song? It's ridiculous, it was a song he wrote many years ago, it was just a song in many...Anyway, if MJ started talking politics on his shows - he would make a fool of himself. The media would describe him as paranoid and wacko. .

Lies again. I did reply to the fact why they did and that they did. You just chose to ignore that and creat another illusion. And there are many videos proving he was starting to speak out against the Illuminati. You just chose to not watch them and pretend they don't exist. Well that doesn't matter. And from your comment about the song, proves how little you know about the satanic music industry.

All the proof anyone needs is in this video series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy4yq8VCjBs
Dispute the evidence if you want but you can't mask the facts.

[linda28]

You are completely wrong. You are the brainwashed one here denying facts and evidence. Do your research before spreading more propoganda.

I wrote some of my research here already. Why don't you debate what exactly you don't agree with that I mentioned? As long as you can't say anything else but useless words and comments, I consider you not able to talk or think clearly in a discussion. You took something I said out of context -that's really all you think is important in regards to what happened to MJ? Worthless debating with you.

[linda28]

Lies again. I did reply to the fact why they did and that they did. You just chose to ignore that and creat another illusion. And there are many videos proving he was starting to speak out against the Illuminati. You just chose to not watch them and pretend they don't exist. Well that doesn't matter. And from your comment about the song, proves how little you know about the satanic music industry.

All the proof anyone needs is in this video series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy4yq8VCjBs
Dispute the evidence if you want but you can't mask the facts.

You call those videos proof? That's all you have to add in this debate?????

Why don't you comment on anything that has happened AFTER MJs death? Things concerning Dr Murray, AEG, Kenny Ortega, LaToya, the kids, Jermaine, Thome Thome.
Before his death, that's one thing - it's what happened after - a lot of the answers lies, which I already mentioned a little about.

So I think you need to to better research yeah, instead of just linking people to a useless youtube video with awful rap music.

[gaias child]

Michael Jackson Gangstalking-Murder Conspiracy
Submitted Monday, August 24, 2009

"Don't leave me, they're trying to kill me" - Michael Jackson to a close friend.

What was really behind the sudden untimely death of Michael Jackson at age 50?

Looking at Michael's life history and the media, it could be explained by drugs or stress, and it appears he did not have his health, but did The King of Pop expect to die?

I stand by the claim that Michael Jackson was in fact intentionally murdered, only days away from embarking on, what looked like would be, his last overseas tour.

There are very clear indicators that the perpetrators belong to a gangstalking group, and the murder weapons were DEW: Directed Energy Weapons technology.

Throughout his entire public and personal life Michael was a target of this hidden evil, called gangstalking, which is particularly crawling and prevalent in California.

Perhaps the only time Michael may have experienced some respite from gangstalking may have been whenever he stayed in non-Western countries such as in the Mid-East.

The West was out to destroy - as well as mercilessly take advantage of - Michael in every possible way: spiritually, psychologically, emotionally, socially, reputationally, financially, and physically.

The world may at last have a chance to wake up and realize the existence of the disturbing truth that gangstalking, may be happening to you or someone you love, and you may not even realize it.

The international covert gangstalking system needs to be collapsed and now is as good a time as any to expose it and educate everyone.

Whilst I myself am not subjected to the untold terrors of DEW, I am one of millions of TI's: Targeted Individuals, subjected to covert gangstalking - organized stalking of one individual by more than one person.

However I truly believe and support other TI's who are 'held to ransom' through gangstalking, as well as suffering DEW, technology of which I am still trying to grasp a fuller understanding of.

Having gained much insight from being a TI myself, as well as from reading legitimate contributions from others, there were numerous signs plainly showing me that Michael was a TI of this often intricate type of crime.

Trying to 'connect the dots' as to who instigated or requested the gangstalking activity, and the plot to cut Michael's life shockingly short, and why, proves much more extensive.

It is highly probable that gangstalking is related to another seemingly elusive and elaborate conspiracy, involving the creation of a 'New World Order', of which Michael was most likely aware of, and probably more than most.

Michael was one of many targets around the world subjected to continually sustained intense gangstalking in an attempt to weaken him, and which also involved DEW, finally resulting in his early death.

The goal from the start would have been to eliminate Michael's considerable power, prestige, influence, and of course, his vast fortune.

His sister La Toya Jackson claimed from day one that during his last days alive, particularly since becoming committed to his final tour, she saw Michael surrounded by a bad crowd of shadowy hangers-on who were preying on his compassionate nature.

These vipers quite overtly were treating her 'meek, quiet, loving' brother highly inappropriately, and they did not seem to care about his welfare but were putting him at risk, in fact conspiring to bring about his death.

As for the rehearsals required of Michael, according to accounts, until his final 2 weeks Michael did his best to avoid and was nervous about attending them.

This strengthens the assertion that Michael was crucified over a period of years, to eventually be killed before his time in a premeditated murder, by gangstalking members who have been sworn and bound to secrecy.

In the days shortly before his death Michael feared his life was in danger, telling people close to him that 'they' were trying to murder him.

This is quite the revelation, judging by voice-mails dated from when he was living in Las Vegas, released post-death to the media by his former manager.

In these messages Michael is recorded as saying he cannot sleep, that he is 'very concerned' for his safety and that of his family's, and 'we are being stalked'.

There is much to prove that 'they' were the 'shadowy entourage' whom La Toya spoke of - and the 'leeches' who, as his ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley said, 'always managed to magnetize around him'.

Michael told loved ones that he would, some day, end up like Elvis, and that this is 'inevitable'.

The equally famous Princess Diana was a close confidant of Michael's for a good decade until her death, and he said they had a similar understanding, and she 'knew what it was like to be hunted, like I am hunted'.

Some think that in the end he came to realize he was worth more dead than alive, and while renting at what was to be his final home, Michael was taking precautions from allowing his drinks to be spiked.

With his murder likely having been planned for years, and with Michael reportedly living in fear of his life for the last two years, he figured that once he was dead 'they' could somehow gain access to his money or assets.

Michael felt they were after his music catalog, the Northern ATV catalog which he had invested in the mid-80's, and which had proven a successful and lucrative deal over the years.

With the large following he garnered, starting with Motown and following on with his successful solo career - and with his business nous - Michael became increasingly independent.

His music style gradually moved on from themes like lust - or the occult - which as Michael said in his disclaimer to Thriller 'in no way endorses a belief in the occult', being a Jehovah Witness at the time.

Instead, Michael broke through more barriers with his songwriting and music, which began to fully embody the virtues of love, compassion, peace, harmony, uniting people of all races, and charity.

However Michael very soon would have to withstand many continuous attempts, none of them at all random or merely coincidence, over his career and with his large fan-base, to bring him to an early demise.

So was it race, religion, a grudge, detesting Michael's enormous influence, an attempt to obtain his money, perhaps even a political assassination, or a show of power... or even all of the above?

There may have been a collaboration of more than one entity with untoward interests in bringing Michael down, and maybe more than just the plundering of Michael's fortune, as a motive for his murder.

Michael increasingly spoke out or became embroiled in disputes, against certain corporations and personalities, in his search for the truth and as to the enormous 'conspiracy all around' him.

Michael had spoken in the past, and probably was about to speak out again on a public platform, about some 'thing' of which he had 'already said too much' about.

Perhaps he was for a long time a major threat to 'their' power structure, or maybe not 'allowed' to leave or reject some type of 'deal' for which he had no other option.

Then again maybe the early demise of Michael is due to 'destiny', he was on a train he could not get off of, and there was nothing he did during his career, or could do, that influenced or changed this fate.

One thing we are already certain of at least, is that Michael's murder was a well-executed and planned, highly organized crime.

The following are - by no means exhaustive - many examples of the tactics used against Michael Jackson, by at least several different gangstalking cells, that we are aware of through observation or news accounts.

These are easily identified as being classic gangstalking methods, and in Michael's case these tactics have been used very publicly, both persistently over many years, or more recently right up to his final moments:

* Isolating Michael from any support networks, family or friends, through disconnecting or not notifying him of phone messages, and keeping his family away;

* Mysteriously firing his loyal employees, or rehiring previously dismissed employees, in the weeks surrounding his death;

* Assigning to him an unknown group of minders, enablers, and entourage, before his tour, as well as hiring his physician, through the promoter - to infiltrate his life, and gain intimate access to him;

* Attempting to create psychological stressors through crowd-swarming, mobbing, blocking his way, and violating his personal space;

* Constantly hounding, filming, and following him everywhere in groups by foot or vehicle, likely appearing as paparazzi;

* Surveillance 24/7 is a given, being an essential part of most gangstalking programs - to monitor his whereabouts at all times in a temporary LA residency, rented by the promoter - where perpetrators knew exactly where he was staying;

* Creating gigantic debts and generating financial oppression through any of the numerous false law-suits, as well as through the enormous insurance put up for his liability in completing the grueling upcoming tour;

* Using debts and suits as excuses to harass, disrespect, victimize, use aggression, and disturb his life-style, forcing him into a type of refugee status, leaving him uncomfortable;

* Imposing themselves as 'advisor's' and bankers in influencing major decisions such as with his estate or will, with the potential of even forging signatures, or altering and declaring false financial values in documents like appraisals;

* Wresting control over his financial situation, outside of his authority, and after likely illegal financial surveillance over the course of his career;

* Systematically subjected to stealing through extortion attempts, lawsuits, and in all probability, opportunely deceitful accounting practices, in a campaign to ruin him or seize his assets, acquire some of his jet-set lifestyle;

* Removing thousands of personal items and memorabilia from his unresided Neverland property without permission, announcing they were to be auctioned off - and declaring his ranch for sale last year, most assuredly to cause him destabilization;

* Forcing his requirement to undertake taxing rehearsals, for an extensive world tour which was controlled by others, and which was not of his own choice to do - with him having previously refused many proposals since 2005 to do another tour;

* Dishonoring or breaching legal contracts, and likely other such malpractice, which may include the overnight changing of his tour list to 50 concerts in departure to his agreement with the promoters to do only 10;

* Disrespecting his supreme decision-making authority in his personal or professional undertakings, such as orchestrating overtly demanding work schedules so he is unavailable to his family;

* Arranging for a range of strong addictive drugs to be served or offered to him even if not requested and encouraging it, while he would really prefer to have his wits about him - in order to control, manipulate, and harm him;

* Organizing frame-ups and set-ups, to place him in compromising situations - perhaps talking him into holding some 'sleepovers' or giving other bad advice - so it looks like it was child molestation;

* Planting of a wide range of drugs to make it appear like a self-inflicted drug-overdose, as well as the opportune theft of at least $2million in jewels and cash at his death;

* Saturating the media and internet with fabricated news and disinformation, 'true' documentaries and movies, angled interviews, and dubious unauthorized books and biographies - to illustrate what they want the public to believe happened, and to deflect attention from the murderers;

* Violating personal boundaries through humiliating, abusing, or ridiculing him during physical searches, and including apparent brutality, in an attempt to cause traumatization;

* International-scale public character assassination over many years, continually repeated to the point that the tarnish on his reputation might become believable;

* Successfully creating a negative stigma surrounding his good name and charitable works, to cause him alienation or turn the community against him;

* Cultivating an ongoing stream of false rumors, slander, and defamation, such as with the allegations of serial child molestation over the last decade and a half, with its court trials, 'testimonies', and entrapments;

* Exaggeration of his 'eccentricities' and individuality through media manipulation and planting false stories of 'deviant' activity and craziness - even posthumously;

* Career sabotage, where he truly believed his post-millennium album Invincible, was deliberately under-marketed in the States;

* Media and verbal accounts from 'authorities' or past 'associates' of his, making unsubstantiated claims that he was a drug abuser;

* Gossip media establishing not long before his passing, and trying to get the public used to the idea, that he was in poor health, 'broke', and even dying or suicidal;

* Bugging, property theft, 'intelligence' collection, and irrelevant personal-document seizes - being highly likely during any of the malicious illegal entries or official' searches into his private Neverland residence;

* And, the raids on his private property being timed for while he was out of the city such as when he was in Las Vegas, or even when out of the country such as during the second leg of his Dangerous tour in the summer of '93;
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[gaias child]

Continued..........

I'm sure you will agree, all of the occurrences above have got to be only a small taste, of the many methods of cruelty used against Michael.

Along with these there is the very high likelihood, supported with substantial scientific evidence, that gangstalkers and their associates took part together in killing Michael through covert means:

* Engaging the use of 'through-wall' non-lethal DEW to remotely trigger health problems, continually keep him awake, or cause bodily pains;

* Pain and insomnia caused from the DEW genuinely requiring a temporary need for powerful, known to be physiologically damaging, sedative drug relief, with its incumbent often overwhelming side-effects;

* Probably had received threats, or intimidation and menacing comments, to produce fear and keep him awake - a highly used tactic of perpetrators;

* And, a highly concentrated application of lethal DEW to harm him physically and fatally.

Now declassified Directed Energy Weapons are virtually untraceable, and even medical professionals rarely find any tangible evidence of their use against the individual target.

The target themselves may not even be aware the mysterious illnesses come from outside of their body.

I understand this advanced warfare is found in the military and in government research or intelligence networks, and have been utilized or obtained by criminal elements who are illegally attacking innocent civilians with it.

Some of these devices can even be made at home in the garage.

I am still trying to learn about the scope of their existence, and as to the variety, type, and portability of such weapons, and whether they are mainly enormous in size, or if some can be much smaller.

These weapons of pain and suffering are operated silently and invisibly from a distance, while zeroing in on and affecting a person physically, triggering a myriad of health problems over a period of time.

Such health problems covertly caused from the use of DEW, and other such 'experimental' electromagnetic weapons and microwave radiation, can include:

* Unexplained and excruciating pains, skin burns;

* Prick marks in various locations;

* Dizziness;

* Exhaustion, weakness, fatigue;

* Lung infections;

* Health degradation, environmental illnesses, allergies;

* Heating or 'cooking' of the body, dehydration;

* Changes to the central nervous system;

* Jolt a person suddenly to make them collapse;

* Trigger cancers, including of the skin;

* Noise harassment, such as ringing in the ears;

* Induce heart palpitations, strokes, cardiac arrest, or a heart attack;

* and, Cause an inability to sleep.

Many weapons are inevitably or intentionally fatal, some bringing about death for the target through stimulating a heart attack or cardiac arrest, from using precisely aimed radiated energy.

Michael displayed classic hallmarks of being subjected to more than one silent strike from these weapons, or complained of such symptoms, proving their use against him.

This included: feeling 'hot on one side' of his body and 'cold on the other', exhaustion, needle marks found over his body, dehydration, unforeseen collapses on several separate occasions, as well as physical pains, and continually not being able to sleep.

That's right, Michael was subjected to DEW - which equals torture and slow murder!

This covert method of murder is conducted slowly over time, with perpetrators operating the weapons and other nefarious activities, from vans disguised as legitimate businesses.

They may also operate from neighboring buildings, and even from the room next door, all of this ensuring there are no witnesses to its effects, and the unsuspecting majority of the public remain unaware a murder is taking place.

All this technology sounds like something from Star Trek - the likes of ray guns, x-ray vision, laser weapons, and psychic phenomena.

However similar weapons do exist, or are said to exist, are available to criminal gangstalking groups, and can really go through walls!

For those who are aware of these practices the crime was a thinly disguised murder.

This was merely a cover-up that included the creation of several attempted false leads, such as the apparent planting and 'ingestion' of numerous drugs, or his so-called many prescriptions taken under several other staffers' names - in fact the perpetrators themselves were probably using illicit drugs.

He had said he was against drugs, and any legal drugs requested by Michael himself during his high-profile career would have been temporary, and for legitimate physical reasons.

For example, Michael had to use sedatives after his scalp was, apparently accidentally, painfully burnt during a Pepsi commercial filmed in the early 80's.

Michael's pain from covert weapons attacks, would have also been joined with the emotional pain of having others' actively mistreating him, and perhaps also anxiety about not knowing what will happen next.

I believe Michael did not have an addictive personality and instead believe he was very strong, and even if he needed medication to cope, he could be forgiven it as an understandable reaction to the strange and demoralizing situational abuse he suffered.

The murderers would have been able to maximize on his alleged 'illicit substance abuse', by really using drugs to kill Michael, then covering it up by making it look self-inflicted.

Then there is Michael's physician Dr Murray, assigned to him by the tour promoter, who was likely a pawn.

Postmortem speculation situated on further considering whether Michael had died in his bed or in fact somewhere else, how many minutes or even hours had he in reality been dead for, and the length of time it took to call the authorities.

Michael's final rental home was huge and there were many, many people coming and going out of his house, most of whom were apparently working for the star.

To ensure Michael didn't survive to leave for his tour, the perpetrators might have held him down and force fed him a cocktail of dangerous drugs, in combination with the DEW.

There may have been cell-phone jamming devices in use, while they definitely would have used radio air-wave readers, to listen in to emergency calls remotely so they can anticipate and cover their tracks.

There is likely no charging the real killers, who will have appeared innocent to outsiders with their false public fronts, looking like people who were employed to 'help' Michael.

This group of seemingly unrelated 'witnesses' to the scene would be readily available to vouch for each other with believable alibi's.

These very witnesses I personally believe are really joined together as part of an organized stalking group, and in Michael's final moments they finalized their strangle-hold, deliberately pooling together all their best efforts to murder him.

I am certain that besides Michael's physician and children, some of the only other people inside as well as in the vicinity outside of his home in the hours leading up to his death, included his killers.

His killers would have cooperation from some collaborating members of the authorities, even from some in the legal fraternity, from planted or coerced insiders, or with intelligence collected from contacts of Michael's.

I believe his killers may have loitered near the scene of the crime, even outside Michael's memorial, and then his private interment, probably disguised as anything from media to furniture removers.

As for the perpetrators directly contracted to kill him, besides some or all members of his entourage, my suspicions extend also to some members of the LA police and fire departments, and paramedics, who were present and surrounding Michael at the time of the 'desperate' attempts made to 'resuscitate him'.

This illegal, well-organized, and financed activity of gangstalking, is not only happening to high-profile celebrities either, but to all kinds of people from every background.

It is difficult to comprehend why perpetrators would carry out gangstalking activity, covertly on innocent people all over the world, or have a 'need' to cut the targets' life short.

If some perpetrators take part in this evil charade, perhaps it is because they've become entrapped within some type of mob - where they either willingly signed up to be involved in some clandestine activity, or most likely had been tricked into thinking they would be carrying out good work.

Some or all of them believed they would take part in important top-secret missions as spies, while they've been brainwashed or as has been suggested, even hypnotized.

Then once the perpetrators have been threatened themselves, or involved in a murder, then they may be in too deep to leave.

Trained gangstalking perpetrators could well pose as security guards, assistants, cable men, plumbers, or even occasionally, as intimate acquaintances.

They are all mixed in together amongst genuine employees and the normal public, to barely be regarded with much suspicion.

I am saying that, in reality there weren't many, if anyone, whom Michael could trust, even if he thought he could - that the conspiracy against him involved many years of torture and a good many number of people spread throughout many sectors of society - and that, yes, this was an 'inside job'.

The concept of gangstalking is difficult for many non-targets to fathom or even be bothered by, because of the impossibility that there could be such a large number of people all in on it, all keeping this secret, and keeping up an act.

Gangstalking is of a high occurrence in Hollywood and LA, where many perpetrators or operatives would include the monied, with connections to secretive, or criminal organizations.

Undoubtedly, there will also be the involvement of unknown actors, posing as if they come from a totally different background, in order to leave false trails by placing suspicion onto a completely different group or entity.

Many theorists like myself believe there is a global conspiracy involving a powerful and rich 'elite' whose agenda, mostly unknown by the world at large, is to create a New World Order in order to gain domination over the world.

With their financial hold, they are able to fund incredibly large-scale ambitions, and pull the strings behind the powerhouses of the world, using covert methods and activities like mind-control, the influence of satanism and occultism, and 'divide and rule'.

This elite I believe aims to consolidate and control all of the world's governments, finance, health, military, large corporations, the entertainment industry, space research, universities, and the media, using evil means to fulfill an ultimately evil end.

I personally have no doubt that this is true and if Michael 'knew too much', or even, was some type of 'ritual sacrifice', then logic barely even registers as a motive for Michael's murder.

Many of the often faceless gangstalkers, planners, wranglers, surveillance scouts - and ultimately his murderers - would have been working behind or in conjunction with various front-organizations, personalities, informants, handlers, controllers, doctors, and disinformation agents.

Telling everyone the TI is a child molester is historically a highly popular and effective gangstalking tactic, in terms of trying to discredit a target before the population, so no one will listen to them but will refrain from supporting them.

At the same time the gangstalkers are deceiving, bribing, or threatening the targets' loved ones, peers, colleagues, or friends, to turn away from helping the TI.

This could include how La Toya felt she was forced by her former manager, to imply her brother was a child molester in her autobiography, when his initial allegations came out.

The Living with Michael Jackson documentary, which Michael understandably was betrayed by, is one example of distorted journalistic reporting.

The much anticipated show seemed to have been intentionally edited and reconstructed to falsely portray his life from a very suggestive sinister angle.

Gangstalkers punish every little 'victory' a target has during their tribulations.

Several authoritative personalities failed to have Michael found guilty on false charges of molestation, more than once over the second half of his career, including when allegations first surfaced in the early '90's.

It has been suggested that any of the children at the center of the allegations could have been positioned as false 'victims', and afterwards given a type of truth serum known to produce false memories of being abused.

Since Michael's passing, the alleged victims have now come out saying that they were made to lie by the adults.

With just a little search on the internet, countless other examples of disinformation, as well as obvious occurrences of gangstalking activities used against the superstar, will be easy to come across.

After the surprise campaign, of 'lies' as Michael correctly called them, to demonize him, a group of conspirators using gangstalking techniques then planned to really kill Michael at their appointed time.

I am in no personal doubt as a lot of other TI's are, that the internationally famous and dogged star was a target and fatal victim to the murderous perpetrators of gangstalking.

Michael succumbed to an apparent cardiac arrest as a man alone, feeling unsafe, and surrounded by dedicated demonic agents of darkness.

This hero of our generation placed his purpose in God and The Lord used him for good, with his enormous talent, compassion, and gifting to many charities.

Michael showed an amazing perseverance, meekness, peacefulness in response to his accusers, and strength, during his persecution by gangstalking.

His strength remains a beacon of inspiration, confidence, and hope, to all civilian targets' of this criminal activity.

May his legacy continue through inspiring others to love people, the poor and downtrodden.

Rest in Peace Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009
http://searchwarp.com/swa540319-Mich...rt-Weapons.htm
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[juliagulia55]

As always Giaschild your posts are brilliant and really informative. Also, just wanted to let everyone know if you don't already about the 'This Is Not It Campaign: http://this-is-not-it.proboards.com/index.cgi

[gaias child]

hello and thankyou Julia, and thank you for the link, I've also joined the "this is not it" campaign

[gaias child]

I discovered a few days ago that the This is not it campaign which was started by a follower fan just happens to be a JOURNALIST. No wonder it has hit the media. Why would a journalist be a follower fan, are they really a follower fan or a journalist posing as a follower fan to get to Michael. I guess it is possible to be a fan and a journalist, maybe I'm just too suspicious,but our perceptions are manipulated by the media

I was a little suspicious of this campaign simply because it seemed so professionally put together as if someone professional was behind it.

I can't help thinking if MIchael was murdered, this is not it campaign is a distraction from that.

[andiliz]

I discovered a few days ago that the This is not it campaign which was started by a follower fan just happens to be a JOURNALIST. No wonder it has hit the media. Why would a journalist be a follower fan, are they really a follower fan or a journalist posing as a follower fan to get to Michael. I guess it is possible to be a fan and a journalist, maybe I'm just too suspicious,but our perceptions are manipulated by the media

I was a little suspicious of this campaign simply because it seemed so professionally put together as if someone professional was behind it.

I can't help thinking if MIchael was murdered, this is not it campaign is a distraction from that.

I agree with you I feel in my heart Michael Jackson was murdered. I don't know what to make of the "follower fans" and Karen Faye. Why are the "follower fans" more special than MJ's many other fans?? How did they get into Michael's life??

[linda28]

I have been researching MJs "death" for 4 months now, and I know he is still alive. :)

Like FrankdiLeo said recently on an interview "why would anybody wanna kill Michael? He is the sweetest most talented man alive ever"

No one would GAIN anything of it. Sony gets the Beatles catalogue, not MJs kids? How can Sony get back what's NOT THEIRS? Sorry, I am confused.

gaiaschild - can I ask you how you found of this is not it are journalists? do you know where they are from?

Those crazy followers have been stalking Michael, and messed up some of his formal charity stuff too in the past because they got so hysterical and injured him. I think its funny if they really care about MJ - why do they say NOTHING about the suspect - Dr Murray? Makes no sense. Karen Faye - is it really her? Then she must have some serious anger issues. She on FB posts hate msgs to all fans of MJ who for instance shared photos of MJs "grave" at Forest Lawn. As if she doesnt know internet is all public. And Karen is also dissing a lot of stuff on the THIS IS IT tour, workers, designers etc. And she got fired from Michael. So maybe she is bitter and crazy? Funny how she neither, just like the THIS IS NOT IT people, seem to say a word of hate then against Dr Murray, but to MJs fans on FB who share photos of MJ?!?

Kenny Ortega and Randy Philips - wow - I am speechless. They are liars yes but they love Michael so much. They are in on the death hoax. It's all a huge project, did you not see Larry Kings blog on "will Mj show up at his own premiere?" He is in on it, he and Jermaine talks about it every day and they slip up so often. Jermaine said on the premiere of THIS IS IT "this is not it. well it is IT, but there is so much more to come. this is NOT the final curtain call"

Different theories have come up lately on how Michael has created a virtual reality game, where players are involved.

And we know that Michael's dancers has moved to L.A. yeah, and working on a "secret" project.

You know Omar Bhatti, Michael's good friend? He told his friends that he could not say anything right now, but that things were not like they seemed. He then flew from Norway and back to LA - hanging out with Paris, Prince, and smiling so big.

[gaias child]

Only one of the this is it people is a journalist. The one who led the campaign. Some of the others are genuine follower fans, but I think they have been manipulated.

I don't think MJ is alive I would like too but I know he would not cause grief to his family fans and friends.

This would be an evil thing to do and it doesn't fit the spiritual side I see of Michael

Those crazy followers have been stalking Michael, and messed up some of his formal charity stuff too in the past because they got so hysterical and injured him[/B]


The charity stuff was messed up by deepak chopra daugher malika and employees who did not file tax returns and run charity properly. I believe the financial situation for Michael was created deliberately by the false allegations on Michael intended to destroy his career and force him to sell his half of his catelogue which was originally 100% his to Sony, but he refused.


The heal the kids charity, 100.000 dollars was stolen from it by Rabbi Schumely, this was all shortly before the allegations.

False allegations were made toward Michael to destroy his character and his spiritual message in his songs like heal the world the earth song. Michael was going to come back and he would have been able to pay off his debt to Sony . Michael was a global icon with a lot of influence around the globe and certain people in the world would benefit from him being dead. Especially when the NWO agenda is ready for final stages, they didn't want there plans delayed.

They are also using some symbolism in this is it movie too, that Michael would not have used. Advertising that Michael's message is being corrupted.

The will is fake. It does not have correct names of children. He was not in LA when it was supposed to be signed. If he hoaxed his death, he would at least have a genuine will, and I don't think John Branca would be executor. Frank Dileo is now on the board of Sony and he supposedly brought John Branca in. John Branca has a letter from Michael telling him he want him to handle his affairs 8 days before he died, Branca is a corrupt person who was working against Michael's financial interests, this info came out in the trials if you read the transcripts and Branca was fired, so I doubt very much Michael would have conveniently forgotten, that branca was conspiring against him

No one would GAIN anything of it. Sony gets the Beatles catalogue, not MJs kids? How can Sony get back what's NOT THEIRS? Sorry, I am confused.



The catelogue was Michael's originally but now Sony own half. There were clauses over the catelogue that Michael signed, which Dick Gregory as his close friend has info on. After the concerts he would have been able to pay off Sony and be 100% in control of his catelogue. At present sony have 50%,if he hadn't died he would have got 100% control. I'm not even certain that MJ was killed for catelogue , but if he had 100% control of catelogue he would be the most powerful person in the music industry with a powerful spiritual message, This is why he was dangerous to them the powers that be it is multi faceted. Frank Dileo is now on board of Sony and he brought John Branca in. It is very complex. In my opinion he fits the same pattern as others that have mysteriously died when they have a similar spiritual message and they happen to be influential people.

Kenny Ortega and Randy Philips - wow - I am speechless. They are liars yes but they love Michael so much. They are in on the death hoax. It's all a huge project, did you not see Larry Kings blog on "will Mj show up at his own premiere

Randy Phillips loathes Michael, have you heard his interview on Michael, calling him names and he imitated and belittled him on a recent interview . The man loathes MJ with a passion and MJ did not like Randy Phillips.

There is no evidence that Mj is alive and I know in my heart and spirit that he isn't

The hoax death stuff is just to distract, from his murder. It was a media company that set that up to see how easy it was for people to believe conspiracy theories, it is very clever too because then they throw all conspiracy theories including the genuine one into the same pot.

[andiliz]

I believe MJ is dead. I want him to be alive so badly but sadly I believe he is dead. What would his reasons be to fake his death? To get away from the lime light? To make money and get out of debt? To be No 1 artist in the world again with more fame? MJ wouldn't hurt his fans and let them down by doing a death hoax. MJ was murdered!!!!
Randy Phillips loathes Michael, have you heard his interview on Michael, calling him names and he imitated and belittled him on a recent interview . The man loathes MJ with a passion and MJ did not like Randy Phillips.
Randy Phillips is now spending a lot of time with MJ's kids this is VERY bad news!!!! Also Grace Rwaramba is back looking after MJ's kids the woman MJ sacked. I heard Grace Rwaramba is into 'Voodoo' and I don't trust her.
I don't trust Jermaine Jackson either.
Randy Jackson, La Toya, Joe Jackson and Karen Faye all pretty much say MJ was murdered.

The 'Michael Jackson Death Hoax' site. I am really not sure about who set that up and why??
How are the "Follower" fans being manipulated??

[andiliz]

Does this website still work: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/
I can't make the MJ hoax death website work?? Does it still work??

[linda28]

People who wanna believe Michael is alive will believe that no matter how many sites on the web there is that are there for talking about this issue of if he hoaxed his death. There are rumours but nothing confirmed that the MJHD forum was owned by Sony and is now down because the fans got too close to the truth. It's only a rumour, and no one can prove it.

If Sony is behind that hoaxdeath forum that means they are also in control of all the dancers and people that worked for Michael then. These people tweet and blog about the weirdest things such as what we have talked a lot about - dancers saying AFTER Michael's death that they are at a "place. and thank you Michael" and saying things like thisis NOT it. I have never in my life heard of someone saying such a thing IF they truly know someone they care about just died. That's no way to show someone respect.

I wanna listen to the Randy interview people talk about on where he disses Michael. Anyone have a link?

edit: I listened to one long radio interview with Randy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauHdberFw8&feature=PlayList&p=D6B6C9FAF119D2B6&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=31

and yes I heard Randy try and imitate his voice but haha are you guys serious? You think Randy disses MJ? He does the opposite. He said 1 million times how much of a genius MJ is, even refers to him as Mike. Randy is open and honest and intelligent. The way he talks - no one can be so open and empathic yet be a lying murderer. No way.

I know from experience that when people see interviews with these people out there, they are projecting their own suspicions onto them, so everything gets all blurry.

I have not seen all that much about Randy yet, but of Kenny yes. People seem to forget that he is a highly creative person who loves being involved with tours and such, he worked with MJ for over 20 years. And he only talk positive about MJ, always. Seems to me he is the one being controlled by Michael actually, to do a good job. Did you guys see the Oprah interview of Kenny when he promoted THIS IS IT? Once again he says the words "Michael still is so much alive for me. Thank God." and he looks so happy and enigmatic there it's spooky.

The kids and family know that he is alive, so they are fine of course.

The reason MJ faked his death? To create the biggest show on earth - for himself? Yes that too, but for earth and mankind. He wants to awaken people. Did you see his last words on THIS IS IT? He says he will be back in his own time. "Let me play with them for a while, and then bam" fade out. You see his shoes in the light and he laughs in an off screen voice.

Also the "voice over" about mankind and the craziness of the planet on Earth song - Seems it is directed by Michael himself actually. The whole film has Michaels presence in it. I dont think Kenny Ortega is THAT good at directing Michaels music and dancing.

MJ feels injustly treated by the media and the whole world, so he probably decided at one point he would not go down like that. It is necessary he does this. People will not hate him when finding out in the end because they will UNDERSTAND and they also love him.

MJ wants to transform the world. I have seen so many people experiencing the same as I have over these months - you become transformed. You lived a normal life, but suddenly MJ strikes you with all this stuff, even if you did not even like him, and you wake up and go on a intense emotional journey. Or like MJ says "it's a great adventure. I wanna take them places they've never been before".

I believe everything, all interviews, the people being related to MJs death are all players yeah. It will surface in the end. It is hopefully to make everybody aware that the media is not the gospel. And we cant go on with letting them report whats going on out there..

I have no idea when he will be back though. I feel it might take some time. He said in THIS IS IT "we have 4 years to reverse the damage" so maybe he means by 2012.

LaToya and Joe says MJ was murdered - its a part of the game. To draw attention. And we know that Joe lies a lot, he even said Omar is MJs son. LaToya has changed back and forth on her story so many times, like the time of death of Michael. She is only playing games with the media and making money at the same time.

But Joe and Al Sharpton, all those other guys there - they are so keen on protecting and fight for the legacy of black artists. Thats why they might also be in on it.
We know Michael hated the thing about how great black artists were taken advantage of and used, and he wont take it anymore.

Anyway, 90% of the income for the movie goes to Jackson estate, so Sony does not get that much. So there is no link as I see, that Sony would wanna murder him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4CkETwJY1U&feature=related

Some people believe this guy is actually Michael Jackson. Look at his eyes. In real life he has blue eyes, not brown. His body language and VOICE is the same as Michaels. Someone made a voice comparision but I can't find it, here is the interview though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5Q4syywcw

[linda28]

Does this website still work: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/
I can't make the MJ hoax death website work?? Does it still work??

A lot of crazy stuff has been going on over there lately. Threads being deleted, a site called thisisalsoit.com playing games with the members. And now we are told the forum is down for maintenance. Let's hope it will be back up again by the end of the week.

[andiliz]

I agree many things about MJ's death don't add up at all. Do you believe in the illuminati and the New World Order because I do. I understand why the illuminati would want to take MJ out. MJ's power, message of love and peace and so on. MJ was leaving Sony. MJ said: "Sony Sucks".
I believe what MJ's "Follower fans" say about MJ. I believe what Karen Faye says.
MJ was a 'MK Ultra' mind control victim that is what I believe and Roseanne Barr believes that as well so I am not alone. MJ wasn't in control of his life or the 'This Is It' tour. MJ was very intelligent but even intelligent people can be brainwashed, abused and controlled with drugs.
There are many, many theories. But I believe MJ was murdered.
I believe MJ was a 'moon child' who had some psychic ability. MJ was very sensitive and intuitive. MJ was spiritual and he wanted the world to see his 'This Is It' show properly not the rehearsals but the finished project. MJ was a perfectionist!!!!
Why would Sony run http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/ ?? I heard the site was run by a woman called Amy or something like that from Australia and then she stopped running the site recently I don't know the reason why she did this and I am not sure she is a fan of MJ? Maybe Sony would want you to believe MJ is still alive so you carry on buying Sony MJ related products and make Sony even richer!! I believe Sony stands for "STANDARD OIL NEW YORK".
Why would MJ have a fake will with Frank DiLeo and John Branca on it?? There are so many people going to make so much money out of MJ's death!!!!
MJ's death is like Bob Marley's and John Lennon's. It is very, very tragic for the whole world. I want MJ to be alive so much I really do because he really could change things. There are some fans who have committed suicide that is true the media did NOT make that up. But sadly I believe MJ was murderd. :(:(

[gaias child]

Andiliz, I agree with you, and much of what you say, there is so much info around and disinfo too, but things do not add up. I do not belive he has hoaxed his death as this would mean TPTB who were behind character assassinating him and trying to destroy his career would also be part of this and protecting him so why would they help MJ now. They seek to make big money out of him and prevent him getting 100% control of his sony catelogue. Also there is no way Mj would have wanted that movie going out as the last memory of him. It is him only giving 50%, he was marking it, even though he was still brilliant. He was perfectionist and would have wanted to be remembered giving 100%. I also don't believe he would do this to the fans friends and family.

The will has John Branca and John McClain as executors they were also the witnesses, only in MJ world would this be legal. They are also exectutive producers of this is it movie, MJ fired John Branca in 2006 when he found out during trials that Branca was working for Sony's interests not Michael's. I doubt he would have forgotten that. He also made wills every 5 years so the real will has gone missing. Philip Answutz who owns AEG and the staples centre where the memorial was held also have a special deal with Sony to stock all Sony digital equipment and he also owns all the cinemas the movie is being shown in. Frank Dileo is also now on the board of Sony. Michael said himself there was conspiracy all around him.

Tom Barrack of colony capital who bought neverland, is also a buddy of Jacob Rothschild, they bought Savoy Hotels together. Rothchild is definitely illuminati.

Here is an article from 2005 so it is old you might find interesting around mind control and whether Uri Geller and magik magestica were MJ mind control handlers. Uri Geller is an ex paratrooper ex cia who says he was reactivated, by the CIA he was also friends with John Lennon before he died and JOhn gave him a talisman that looked like a bullet saying aliens gave it too him an dhe thought it meant his time was up on the planet. There is link to the info in this thread. The guy who killed John Lennon was NOT A FAN and he was under mind control, was this Uri Geller job, did he put the guy under hypnosis to kill JOhn Lennon, I believe that is a possibiltiy, he set MJ up deliberatly with Martin Bashir and implied on ITN news 2003 that MJ was guilty but yet recently he says he knew he was innocent because he hypnotised him. So it is curious he did not say this in 2003. It is possible that he was part of the plot to frame Michael, character assassinate him and destroy his career and create a financial situation. He also accused Michael of being anti semitic for they don't care about us song.

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/04/michael-jackson-mind-control-victim/


While we’re on the topic of magicians, I’d like to go back to this whole thing about Michael Jackson having a “personal magician”. I mean, I know the dude is weird, but let’s just say that doesn’t necessarily justify having a person who travels around with you acting as your not tongue-in-cheek personal magician. I mean, this guy also “controls” interviews with Jackson and even speaks on his behalf sometimes.
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At first I just thought Jackson having a personal assistant was hilarious. Now I’m beginning to wonder if there’s not more to it than meets the eye. Let’s examine some more of the facts. First of all, Jackson is currently involved in an extremely public trial over child sex abuse. Jackson has maintained his innocence throughout. Regular readers of sites like Rigorous Intuition ought to be standing up and taking notice at this point. The author of that site, Jeff Wells, frequently delves into far out stories about ritual child abuse, and also blackmailing powerful public figures by forcing them into compromising situations.

I know it’s a pretty far-out leap for most “normal” people, but could Majestic Magnificent be more than just a “magician” - could he also be some sort of CIA Monarch mind-control handler for Jackson? Is there any possibility that Michael Jackson is actually a victim of or “asset” of some occult-intelligence organization? I personally have a hard time believing that Jackson is a pedophile (check out my archetypal analysis of him and his Peter Pan myth) - although if he had alternate personalities covered by layers of trauma, he might not even know about it himself. Or, conversely he might have figured it out, and trying to overcome it, and reclaim his lost innocence is what drove him into the whole Peter Pan fantasy to begin with. Maybe it’s all an attempt by Jackson to reclaim his inner “Paperboy”. I know I’m a bit of a weirdo, but for some reason, it’s more plausible to me that Jackson is a split-personality mind-control asset gone haywire than just a celebrity freak who likes to fool around with little boys. Maybe that’s just a more “fun” and less creepy explanation though. Who knows.

Anyway, the question of Jackson’s involvement with the CIA was first raised to me by Garrett. He tracked down a link to the CIA through Jackson’s close personal friend Uri Geller (who I have another story about in a minute). An article on the Scotsman explains a possible Geller-CIA link:

Ronson began his journey into the US army’s heart of cerebral darkness in London, where he got a tip from Uri Geller - the psychic famed for bending spoons on TV in the 1970s. “Under Clinton, the nuttiness was at the fringes but the dynamic changed when the Bushes got into power and it felt like the nuttiness was now at the core of things,” Ronson tells me at his Soho club. “So I started asking around and then I heard about remote viewers and psychic spies and, right here on the roof terrace in this building, Uri Geller told me that he’d been ‘re-activated’.”

I ask why the US military might have brought Geller back in from the cold. The simple answer is that Geller once belonged to an unofficial unit of psychic spies, formed in the 1970s to read the future and conduct experiments into the supernatural for the US military. Geller’s tip led Ronson to Glenn Wheaton, a retired sergeant and former Special Forces psychic spy who confirmed that the military funded this unofficial unit. There was more to the psychics, however, than trying to “remotely access” Soviet weapons plans or predict China’s next move. They were looking at new forms of warfare, including walking through walls, adopting a cloak of invisibility, even stopping an animal’s heartbeat by staring at it.

The guy in this quote, Jon Ronson is the author of the new book, The Men Who Stare At Goats which is making a bit of a splash among fringe counter-cultural groups. Many other sources seem to connect Uri Geller to working for both the CIA, FBI, KGB and Mossad at various points in his career. Even a seemingly official site of his says:



Interesting factoid: Michael Jackson’s 1995 album HIStory included a song called “Tabloid Junkie” one of the opening lines of which is:

Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who’s the next for you to resurrect
Jfk exposed the cia
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory

I know this doesn’t “prove” anything, but it seems noteworthy that Jackson mentions exposing the CIA in a line on a popular record. And shortly thereafter talks about blackmail. The weirdest part is I didn’t even know this before I started writing this post. WHOA! This is even weirder. Apparently also on that album is a song called “D.S.” the opening lyrics of which are:

They wanna get my ass
Dead or alive
You know he really tried to take me
Down by surprise
I bet he missioned with the CIA
He don’t do half what he say

Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man

There is also a theory circulating online about this song - that it’s actually about a District Attorney from Santa Barbara county named Thomas Sneddon. This article claims that the Don Standdon mentioned above is actually “Dom S. Sheldon” which when sung sounds like “ThomaS Sneddon”. Apparently Sneddon has been trying to build a case against Jackson since the 1990’s. Other lyrics sites online also confirm the “Dom Sheldon” interpretation, and some even say outright “Tom Sneddon.”

I’m also curious about this later line in the song:

Does he send letters to the FBI?
Did he say to either do it or die?

Was Sneddon trying to blackmail Jackson with the child abuse stuff, and then Jackson didn’t go for it, so Sneddon launched his trap? To me, the picture looks more and more like Jackson began trying to “out” CIA agents in this album. Whether it was real or imagined, it’s an extremely creepy connection worth investigating more. I don’t actually have or know that album much at all. But if anybody could offer a more detailed reading of it with this theory in mind, I’d love to read it. Majestic Magnificent seems to have come on the seen shortly before Jackson released this album. Was he a last ditch effort by the CIA to send somebody in to reign Jackson in again to their control? Maybe that’s a flawed direction of research - especially in light of the information about the Nation of Islam acting as bodyguards for Jackson. Why would Jackson hire basically an ideological para-military force for protection? Who’s he afraid of? This shit just gets deeper and deeper.

UPDATE!

Thanks to some responses to a posting I did about this on the Rigorous Intuition Forum, I tracked down a very very interesting connection. Let me give you a little background information first before we go on. After 9/11, there was a benefit concert somewhere near Washington, which Michael Jackson was invited to play. An LA Times article explains that Jackson was looking for a place to stay during this time period:

Jackson’s visit came about as a result of a call from “a friend from the White House,” Coe said. The call came from David Kuo, deputy director of the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, who helped put together the United We Stand concert. When Kuo learned that Jackson needed a place to stay, he thought of Cedars. “It’s a private unknown place that offers anonymity in a peaceful environment,” he said. “Part of the whole Fellowship belief is you can help people who are down and out by helping people who are up and out.”

The place they are referring to is called Cedars. It is the headquarters of a behind-the-scenes Christian Reconstructionist group called the Fellowship, also known as the International Foundation. Wayne Madsen’s article, Christian Mafia Part II has more about the Fellowship and their dealings. But let’s look first at what they say about this place called Cedars. First and foremost we have this absolutely juicy tidbit:

According to a senior Pentagon official, the Cedars had been used as a CIA safe house prior to the Fellowship’s purchase of the estate.

Now, I don’t know how the CIA works, but I do know that expression: “Once a company man, always a company man,” and I suspect the same goes for their locations, though they get shuffled around through various front groups. A simple real life example: a friend of mine used to be a minor player in the Miami club scene some years back. He helped run various venues, and worked behind the scenes as a promoter. He told me stories about what happens to clubs where bad shit goes down - like a shooting or other high profile crime. Everybody gets freaked out and stops going there. So the clubs close down. The real owners go through all the paper-work to sell the club, put it under “new” ownership and management and then re-open it. But it’s all just sleight-of-hand. No real change has been made except in public perception - the only kind of change that actually seems to matter.

Another article has some interesting information about the Fellowship’s other activities:

The Fellowship (Getter’s preferred label for the group) also has brought several notorious, right-wing Latin American generals to Washington for prayer meetings — men connected to the torture of civilians and CIA-linked death squads.

Well, as long as they’re only praying, right? Whew! What a relief!

Getter quotes the group’s long-time leader, Doug Coe, 73, as saying that its mission is to establish a “family of friends” around the world by spreading the word of Jesus to powerful people: “The people that are involved in this association . . . are the worst and the best. Some are total despots. Some are totally religious. You can find what you want to find.”

And a supporting quote from the LA Times article:

Coe said the group’s mission is to create a worldwide “family of friends” by spreading the words of Jesus to those in power. He believes that people of every religion–including Muslims, Jews and Hindus–are swayed by Jesus. If he can change leaders’ hearts, he said, then the benefits will flow naturally to the oppressed and underprivileged.

So, was Michael Jackson’s stay with this group “purely a matter of convenience” or was there more going on here? Just who was that guy who invited Michael to stay there again? The Madsen article explains:

According to a September 27, 2002 Los Angeles Times article by Lisa Getter, Jackson’s stay at the Cedars was arranged through David Kuo, George W. Bush’s White House director of the Office of Faith-based Initiatives. Kuo, a former CIA employee who co-wrote a book with Ralph Reed, had been Executive Director of the Center for Effective Compassion, founded in 1995 by Arianna Huffington and Marvin Olasky. Olasky is a Jewish convert to evangelical Christianity, a major Christian reconstructionist proponent, and an ardent supporter of George W. Bush. Kuo also previously worked for the Christian Coalition and Senator John Ashcroft.

And there we have it. We started out with magicians and end up with plans by Christians to institute theocracy in America. Just what are Jackson’s religious views, I’m trying to figure out. I’ve heard he’s a Jehovah’s witness, but I also just read he denounced his faith in 1987. Here’s a more elaborate article on whether or not he still is one. I guess I’m just wondering what he’s doing staying with Christian Reconstructionists one day, and cozying up to the Nation of Islam the next. This just gets deeper and deeper still

[gaias child]

Michael was also very much against war and for healing the planet with love and unity and was also an advocator for taking care of the environment, he used all biodegradable products in his stage show. He stood for everything that is against the tptb who profit from wars and division in the world. I love this recent song of Michael's


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR8Vc2cOOnk&feature=related


Love was taken from a young life
And no one told her why
Her direction has a dimlight
From one more violent crime

She innocently questioned why
Why her father had to die
She asked the men in blue
How is it that you get to choose
Who will live and who will die
Did god say that you could decide ?
You saw he didn't run
And that my daddy had no gun

In the middle of a village
Way in a distant land
Lies a poor boy with his broken toy
Too young to understand

He's awaken, ground is shakin
His father grabs his hand
Screaming, crying, his wife's dying
Now he's left to explain

He innocently questioned why
Why his mother had to die
What did these soldiers come here for ?
If they're for peace, why is there war ?

Did God say that they could decide
Who will live and who will die ?
All my mama ever did
Was try to take care of her kids

We're innocently standing by
Watching people lose their lives
It seems as if we have no voice
It's time for us to make a choice

Only god could decide
Who will live and who will die

There's nothing that can't be done
If we raise our voice as one

They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from us
We can't take it

We've already had enough

They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from us

We can't take it
We've already had enough

They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from you baby

We can't take it
We've already had enough

Deep in my soul baby

Deep in your soul and let God decide

Deep in my soul

It's up to me and i'm still alive

They've gotta hear it from us

We can't take it
We've already had enough

It's going down baby
Just let God decide,

It's going on baby
Just let God decide

Deep in my soul baby

We've already had enough

They've gotta hear it from me
They've gotta hear it from you
They've gotta hear it from us

We can't, we can't
We've already had enough

[linda28]

Michael is not a "weirdo" whatsoever. He has a lot of integrity, is highly religious, spiritual, honest, sweet and creative. He is just too big of a heart for the other ego maniac people out there. If you open yourself up and listen to the man speak, you will figure this out :)

I too thought at first that MJ was into this CIA thing, magician thing. Then thought ok maybe he just likes magicians? He always says that he loves magic. And has worked with David Copperfield, David Blaine, and I believe Uri Geller was one of those magicians that MJ stumbled over. Creative people has a thing for magic, I doo too. That's where the Moonwalk came from, in his mind. The outer wordly thing. He has the astrological moon sign in pisces - which explains his need to escape into dreamland (Neverland) and his intuitive, empathic, helpful behaviour.

Would MJ be controlled? He appears to be more the controller, rather. This is what Randy Phillips also said, that they could argue about this issue of who's in control. And the people closest to MJ always know that he got what he wanted. Like that's why he always fired and rehired people. He did not like that anyone opposed him. And that's also why he did not have much contact with his family for periods.

Now I realize Lisa Marie Presley's anger a little more, I thought she was just being bitter when talking negative about MJ on Oprah and such, but according to her, the last 8 months of the relationship was so manipulated by MJ, lots of fighting etc, that she needed years to recover, her immune system was down, coldn't eat any food because of allergies etc. She tells how MJ would suddenly just disapppear for like 6 weeks and she had no idea where he was. I believe her, she is too honest, not a liar at all. So this is an example of how Michael controlled his life.

Other people that have worked with MJ, also say how he is demanding and controlling and manipulative. So that shows to me at least, that he was not weak or being controlled.

Know what's really funny - the movie THIS IS IT - the Smooth Criminal part, a black and white old movie - it's the movie GILDA - about a man who hoaxes his death. And the man in the movie that does that, is the person that Michael plays. Not to mention - the actor in the movie has the same birthday as Michael, August 29th.

John Branca I think is an honest man. He said he quit working for MJ because he did not want to be a part of the madness going on some years back, regarding all the "yes" people for Michael.

[andiliz]

March 14 2009. Randy Phillips: "He's 50 but he's going to dance his ass off" "If Mike gets too nervous to go on, I'll throw him over my shoulder and carry him on stage. He's light enough." telegraph.co.uk
There are loads of quotes from Randy Phillips and others. Randy Phillips didn't like Michael Jackson.
I agree Michael Jackson is NOT strange or weird or odd at all. Michael Jackson is amazing!!!!! Michael Jackson loved magic everything from P. T. Barnum, to David Copperfield, to David Blaine, to Chris Angel. I don't think 'Magestik Magnificent' is anything to do Michael Jackson's death and I don't think he was his handler. 'Magestik Magnificent' is a black man who is very loyal to the whole Jackson family and loves them like they are like his own family and is good friends with Joe Jackson! 'Magestik Magnificent' was also the 'personal magician' to Muhammad Ali!
Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega and Travis Payne knew how sick Michael was yet they did nothing to help him. They knew he wouldn't make the 'This Is It' tour.
Dr. Tohme Tohme the Lebanese man needs looking into I don't trust him at all. Tom Barrack of Colony Capital is also Lebanese and is to do with the Savoy Hotels and Jacob Rothschild and the 'Brownstones' company or what ever it is called?
'Colony Capital' and 'Fortress Investment Group' private investment group need looking into. Sony and AEG need looking into. Some say AEG is AIG??
'Sir Howard Stringer' is the Chairman, President and CEO of the Sony Corporation. Sir Howard Stringer doesn't like Michael Jackson and seems almost pleased he has died he needs looking into. I believe Sony stands for: "Standard Oil New York".
AEG President and CEO is 'Tim Leiweke' and he needs looking into. Others from AEG like Phillip Anschutz and Randy Phillips also need looking into.
There are many doctors who need looking into Dr. Conrad Murray and Dr. Arnold Klein (who is friends with Liz Taylor and Debbie Rowe) are just two of them.
Tommy Mottola needs looking into I don't trust him at all.
David Geffen needs looking into. David Geffen is on the '400 Richest Americans' list and he was around when John Lennon was murdered, when Kurt Cobain died and when Michael Jackson died it is very weird!!
Uri Geller needs looking into. Uri Geller was around when John Lennon was murdered and when Michael Jackson died!! Uri Geller set up the Martin Bashir interview. Uri Geller also did a strange drawing inside the cover on Michael Jackson's "Invincible" album.
'Deepak Chopra' and 'Rabbi Shmuley Boteach' need looking into.
So called 'friends' of Michael Jackson's need looking into from Alvin Malnik and his wife Nancy Malnik (who have mafia connections), to Dr. Susan Etok, to Mark Lester and so on.
Gloria Allred we know didn't like Michael Jackson all the people from MJ's trials need looking into like Tom Sneddon.
There are also MJ's staff, aides, servants, security team that need looking into and everyone from his managers to his PAs and PR team need looking into such as the Nanny Grace Rwaramba who is said to practice Voodoo, Alberto Alverez (known as 'Tippy') the man who made the 911 call I don't trust him at all, Michael Amir, Raymone Bain who sued Michael. I believe Frank DiLeo was MJ's handler in the past as well as his manager. Quincy Jones was maybe a programmer or controller or handler or something like that in the past. I also don't trust John Branca and John McClain.
How about the LAPD what is their part in this? What about the media and people in the media what is "TMZ" who owns it?? What about Larry King??
How about MJ's own family his own flesh and blood? what do we make of people like Jermaine Jackson?? La Toya Jackson? and Joe Jackson? I like La Toya I have a soft spot for her but it is strange how she changes her story. I don't trust Jermaine. Both Joe Jackson and Jermaine Jackson seem very jealous of Michael Jackson.

[gaias child]

.Michael is not a "weirdo" whatsoever. He has a lot of integrity, is highly religious, spiritual, honest, sweet and creative. He is just too big of a heart for the other ego maniac people out there. If you open yourself up and listen to the man speak, you will figure this out :)

I =.

It was not me that said MJ was a weirdo, I agree he was very spiritual loving person, this is clear in all my posts, the link was cut and pasted from an old article written by someone else.

I do not agree with all of it but I thought there was interesting information about uri geller and majik majestica which is why I posted it

Other people that have worked with MJ, also say how he is demanding and controlling and manipulative. So that shows to me at least, that he was not weak or being controlled

Michael spoke several times about the conspiracy against him and I take his own words seriously. What about Dr Tohme where Michael had signed away power of attorney to Dr Tohme, he had got complete control of Michael's finances and Michael had no idea what was going on. Michael was very humble and gentle, not controlling or demanding, I don't think he was naive though, maybe too trusting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw38AZEv4io

[gaias child]

March 14 2009. Randy Phillips: "He's 50 but he's going to dance his ass off" "If Mike gets too nervous to go on, I'll throw him over my shoulder and carry him on stage. He's light enough." telegraph.co.uk
There are loads of quotes from Randy Phillips and others. Randy Phillips didn't like Michael Jackson.
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I agree.

Dr. Tohme Tohme the Lebanese man needs looking into I don't trust him at all. Tom Barrack of Colony Capital is also Lebanese and is to do with the Savoy Hotels and Jacob Rothschild and the 'Brownstones' company or what ever it is called

Good point, I've also posted info on this in this thread somewhere.

Uri Geller needs looking into. Uri Geller was around when John Lennon was murdered and when Michael Jackson died!! Uri Geller set up the Martin Bashir interview. Uri Geller also did a strange drawing inside the cover on Michael Jackson's "Invincible" album

Brilliant point, I also posted some on this. Funny that Michael did not sign a contract and the reason the documentary was put out without michael final consent was because he had not signed a contract, everyone said this was completely out of character for someone as suspicious as MJ. I guess he may have been too trusting. I think it is possible Uri mind manipulated him in some way or hypnotised him to trust Martin Bashir. Uri also is ex paratrooper, creme de la creme of the military, ex cia, ex mossad .

John lennon also gave him a talisman that looks like a bullet , (Uri calls it a magic egg) thinking his time up on the planet two days before he died. There is alink and I've seen john with this bullet but the youtube got removed when I pointed this out Creepy!!

http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2006/06/night-aliens-called-on-john-lennon.html

'Deepak Chopra' and 'Rabbi Shmuley Boteach' need looking into.



Very strange how these people go running to the media with stories about Michael, some friend. Deepak was in the media, less than 24 hours after MJ passed. If they have got something to say, they should go to the authorities, so they clearly haven't, but they get $$$$$ for saying controversial stuff about MJ in media. What about professional ethics like confidentiality, these two obviously have no ethics so cannot be trusted. deepak is in illuminati club of rome.


The rest of your points are excellent too, thank you for contributing all of this

[velma]

I think Uri Geller was one of MJ's handlers, possibly Liz Taylor too... The other guys you mention are all COINTELPRO agents, Chopra etc. products of the sinister Esalen Institute. Michael fell out with spooky Geller six years ago but still this 'magician' acts as his self-appointed official spokesman.

[nioz]

I think Uri Geller was one of MJ's handlers, possibly Liz Taylor too... The other guys you mention are all COINTELPRO agents, Chopra etc. products of the sinister Esalen Institute. Michael fell out with spooky Geller six years ago but still this 'magician' acts as his self-appointed official spokesman.

Exactly, i dont trust that Uri for 1 inch!

MJ was definately part of the 'illuminati' in the beginning, knowing or unknowingly he was used as a pawn.

There is A LOT of symbology that proofs that in his clips, clothes, music texts etc.

Later on he found out what his music was used for, and he started to make inspirational music about the truth.

They definately killed MJ, and used his death as a ritual.

[andiliz]

Gaias Child thank you so much. I agree with you so much on everything you say. One point though and this may interest you : "I don't think 'Magestik Magnificent' is anything to do Michael Jackson's death and I don't think he was his handler. 'Magestik Magnificent' is a black man who is very loyal to the whole Jackson family and loves them like they are like his own family and is good friends with Joe Jackson! 'Magestik Magnificent' was also the 'personal magician' to Muhammad Ali!"
By the way you spell his name 'Magestik Magnificent' not 'Majik Majestica'. I believe Frank DiLeo was one of MJ's handlers.

[andiliz]

I think Uri Geller was one of MJ's handlers, possibly Liz Taylor too... The other guys you mention are all COINTELPRO agents, Chopra etc. products of the sinister Esalen Institute. Michael fell out with spooky Geller six years ago but still this 'magician' acts as his self-appointed official spokesman.
Interesting point. What are "COINTELPRO" agents?? What is the "Esalen Institute"??
I am not sure what to make of Liz Taylor, Lisa Marie Presley and Debbie Rowe. Liz Taylor and Debbie Rowe are both friends with Dr. Arnold Klein. Dr. Arnold Klein seemed to be doing 'mind control' on MJ and giving him drugs to change his state of mind. These 3 women Liz, Lisa Marie and Debbie say they loved MJ but it is weird I don't feel I can trust them.

[andiliz]

"Vanity Fair reported in the article that in 2000 Jackson attended a voodoo ritual in Switzerland where a witch doctor promised that Steven Spielberg, music mogul David Geffen and 23 other people on the entertainer's list of enemies would die."
So Michael Jackson must of known 'Steven Spielberg' and 'David Geffen' were his enemies!! It is strange how David Geffen was around when John Lennon was murdered, when Kurt Cobain died and then when Michael Jackson died!!
I wonder who the other 23 people were on MJ's enemy list? this could tell us a lot. 'Uri Geller' was an enemy of MJ's. 'John Landis' might be on MJ's enemy list as he sued MJ.

[gaias child]

Gaias Child thank you so much. I agree with you so much on everything you say. One point though and this may interest you : "I don't think 'Magestik Magnificent' is anything to do Michael Jackson's death and I don't think he was his handler. 'Magestik Magnificent' is a black man who is very loyal to the whole Jackson family and loves them like they are like his own family and is good friends with Joe Jackson! 'Magestik Magnificent' was also the 'personal magician' to Muhammad Ali!"
By the way you spell his name 'Magestik Magnificent' not 'Majik Majestica'. I believe Frank DiLeo was one of MJ's handlers.


Fair enough, the article was not necessarily my view, I just posted it for interest. Monarch Mk ultra mind control is not something I know a great deal about, althoug h I read books by Cathy O Brien and Brice Taylor, I'm still not certain about it. Thanks for correct spelling I can never quite remember. Magestik Magnificent is a very unusual name.

I agree as with everyone else about Uri Geller

Thank you for your posts, very interesting.

[andiliz]

Gaias Child yes 'Magestik Magnificent' is a very unusual name it's a 'stage name' I think it can't be his real name can it? This is Magestik Magnificent's Myspace so you can check him out for yourself: http://www.myspace.com/majestikmagnificent
Uri Geller is into mind control and hypnotism. MK Ultra 'trauma based mind control' is VERY real I know it is. Michael Jackson was a victim of MK Ultra I really believe that. Michael's first controller, handler and programmer was his father Joe Jackson. Michael sort of worshiped his mother Katherine. Katherine seems like a nice, religious, very moral woman but there is more to this she was in on it as well and she supported her husband 100% and she also spanked her kids (not as hard as Joe did though).
Various people at Motown later controlled Michael. Not many people know this but Michael knew Karen Faye Kissinger right back to the Motown days and is she related to Henry Kissinger? I believe Karen Faye did love Michael very much and she wants the truth for him. I trust Karen Faye and the "Follower" fans.
"Teddy" Riley is an African-American singer-songwriter, musician, keyboardist, and record producer credited with the creation of 'New Jack Swing' and he seems like he is a really nice, sweet guy. Teddy Riley was MJ's producer and he thinks MJ was murdered. So Karen Faye, Teddy Riley, Randy Jackson, Joe Jackson and La Toya Jackson all think MJ was murdered.

[andiliz]

TMZ has confirmed that one of the calls that Dr. Murray made while Michael was dead,,, even before calling 911 was to MR. FRANK DILEO HIMSELF!!!!!

[jimjames]

Maybe they killed him, but not for the sake of"dead musicians make for a better profit", the music industry is basically dead, they wouldn't take that chance.
Maybe in the 90's.

[linda28]

TMZ has confirmed that one of the calls that Dr. Murray made while Michael was dead,,, even before calling 911 was to MR. FRANK DILEO HIMSELF!!!!!

Frank is the greatest guy ever. Have you listened to what he says? Anyone who cant see he is genuine and great, lack a lot of psychological insight into people. It can't be that hard to recognize a nice man is it?

And I dont understand where everyone has it from that Randy Phillips and MJ hated each other. Randy only speaks good about MJ. And MJ would never work with anyone he did not like. He is just joking around, not being a murderer.

The phone calls made during and after the ambulance at MJs house - there are alot of lies out there. LaToya switched her story many times. Latest now she said Michael was dead before the ambulance arrived. Around 9am. So why would they need to do CPR for hours? Also, Dr Murray said to Kenny Ortega on phone while MJ was on the way to hospital, (according to Travis Payne, Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega), that MJ was fine. I dont believe he said that at all. It would have gotten him in serious trouble. They might all be in on it. The hoax that is, not his death.

One thing is for sure, Omar Bhattis friends - they have spoken out about how they feel something weird is going on when Omar travels back to LA and says that things are not what they seem, this is not the whole truth. And remember what Omar wrote in that booklet at the memorial July 7th "I can hardly wait til the day we meet again".

Kenny Ortega tweeted on June 27th "Dream, believe that THIS IS NOT IT. In time we will share his vision with you"

Some of the dancers tweeted too, AFTER Michael's death, "God bless you too Michael"

Kenny Ortega says a lot that he is "with L.O.V.E." And many people believe that means Michael himself. So whenever he writes he is with him, that means they are together.

The Gilda hoaxed death in THIS IS IT convinced me that the idea of a hoaxed death can be very real :D

Uri is what he is, sure..I think he gets too much attention into something he is not a part of though.

[gaias child]

Frank is the greatest guy ever. Have you listened to what he says? Anyone who cant see he is genuine and great, lack a lot of psychological insight into people. It can't be that hard to recognize a nice man is it?

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I'm a psychologist and Frank seems very genuine and I was taken in at first, due to him defending MJ during the trials etc, he is very clever, and either he or Marlon are lying about the call when Michael was ill the night before. Also it was he who sold stories to the media on Michael and made the statement that one day Michael would know what karma was, after MJ fired him. Some say now he was the one behind the Jordan Chandler rumours, when Evan Chandler said on that tape, that there were others behind taking MJ down. I'm not saying it is true as there is a lot of speculation, but on recent interview he is not telling 100% the truth

also I saw this post on another forum

http://mjjmaninthemirror.forumotion.net/the-media-speculations-f4/mjjc-board-what-is-going-on-t38.htm




What is going on on MJJC board? I have noticed that after Farnks’ Delio interview they have many changes. There is a new position of “Public Relations” appeared and they started a legacy project a little while before. Looks like nobody wants us to discuss sensitive subjects about conspiracy behind MJ death. Many threads have been close for NO reason. I had sense that MJJC made a deal with Frank Delio. Frank Delio is guy who was MJ manager and he connected with John Branca.
I received a letter from TINI which confirms my guess about MJJC being under Frank Delio control. The letter says that Frank Delio (AEG) is trying to control every MJ fan club. Those ppl have money of course to control many things. They made more money from “This Is It” project. Personally I believe that AEG and Sony both involved in MJ death.





And I dont understand where everyone has it from that Randy Phillips and MJ hated each other. Randy only speaks good about MJ. And MJ would never work with anyone he did not like. He is just joking around, not being a murderer.



I'm not saying Randy is a murderer. I do not know who did it. But things do not add up. I get a really bad feeling from Randy You can hear the hatred in his voice he can bearly disguise it, it isnot so much what he says even though he says MJ is contolling and manipulative. MJ did work with people he did not like, he had not choice but to work with Randy Phillips for these concerts, he was also working with Sony, and he dislliked everything sony stood for and was trying to break free, he was trapped due to the sony owning half of his catelogue.

The phone calls made during and after the ambulance at MJs house - there are alot of lies out there. LaToya switched her story many times. Latest now she said Michael was dead before the ambulance arrived. Around 9am. So why would they need to do CPR for hours? Also, Dr Murray said to Kenny Ortega on phone while MJ was on the way to hospital, (according to Travis Payne, Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega), that MJ was fine. I dont believe he said that at all. It would have gotten him in serious trouble. They might all be in on it. The hoax that is, not his death.



There are so many contradictory stories, it is impossible to know what is true and is not, so we can't even really speculate on that until the trial and then we will hear,if there is a trial that is. I doubt there will be one. MJ had blood lividity which meant he had been dead hours, before call was made. Dr Murray has claimed the timeline on affidavit is wrong, we do know though from the tape that he did not know how to do cpr and was doing it on the bed, instead of the floor, if they were hoaxing his death tptb and hospital would be involved, and it would be organised, so why would la toya need to keep changing her story, if she were involved, there would be no need. She has said right from the start she thought mj was murdered, and it was a conspiracy as MJ told her, MJ has also told this to other people including Dick Gregory, Teddy Riley, and publicly he said on the very few interviews he did, there was conspiracy against him,so la toya is not lying, I've heard him myself say it.

I think either someone else did it other than Murray and he has been set up to be the fall guy, or Michael did not die when he was supposed too and the plan went wrong, and it was supposed to go down as drug overdose, due to MJ addiction not homicide due to negligence.

Kenny Ortega tweeted on June 27th "Dream, believe that THIS IS NOT IT. In time we will share his vision with you"



And they have partly. Michael says in the tii movie that we have a limited time left to heal our sick planet,he talks about the rain forest being destroyed, the lungs of our earth and how we should love and unite across the Globe. I think there was more to Michael's message but we will never know now what that was.

[goldenbear]

I've never been a fan of Michael, but I was moved to do some research on him after his death. As an amateur conspiracy researcher and a spiritualist, something told me that Michael's death was the beginning of something far more profound, something that is related to our progression through the End Times.

Michael was clearly a conscious individual. Don't think for a second that he was this childish, troubled individual. This is how the media wants to portray him: as Jacko, the Wacko. He was aware of certain things, of the conspiracy behind the entertainment industry, and even behind the whole world structure. He mentioned a "conspiracy" several times in interviews etc, but he would not go into details about it.

He also gave many clues in his songs:

(Michael)
Tired of the injustice
Tired of the schemes
The lies are disgusting
So what does it mean, damn it?
Kickin' me down
I got to get up
As jacked as it sounds
The whole system sucks, damn it
whoo!

See also 'They Don't Care About Us', 'Leave Me Alone' and other songs...

I recognize that he may have been manipulated by the Illuminati during his early career. He broke free and became a rebel. He broke with his family/father and went to build his own career based on what he believed.

His whole skin disease also has a important figure to it. He was a guy that literally helped the world with transcending racial differences. The crowds attending to his shows were a mixture of all races and ages, and he would move them all with his performance.

Many fans have expressed their love for Michael, the spirit, not the person. Michael was one of those transcendental artists. Wait a second, "one of those"? I cannot think of anyone else right now, except for a female singer/composer that I will mention later.

I also believe that Michael transcended DNA in one lifetime. Very few people can do it. I'll explain.

First of all, know that the spirit, and conscious / willed evolution, can override all DNA programming, but you cannot deny the existence of an hierarchy (note: DNA is a spiral [ladder]) in the physical universe. It is a hierarchy of power that exists in terms of the amount of energy that a creature can control. Certain genetic makeups correspond to certain levels of energy. If you could raise your energy level in an instant, your makeup would change accordingly.

The black race is stronger genetically and more adapted to life on Earth, but the white race has more potential for development -- enter technology and the majority of white people in power. So in terms of energy throughput (potential), you can say that the white race, and most importantly, the aryan race, are at the top. They say that the white race is more "brainy". Indeed, the brain requires much more power than the rest of the body.

There are books talking about the extraterrestrial Aryan race and how they are the prime form of humans (genderized) in the 4th dimension, or something like that. (Above the Aryans, only our original androgynous bodies before the fall from Eden.) So, maybe there was a true foundation to Hitler's delusions.

Now, you must understand that I'm strictly talking about the genetic ladder that permeates the universe. This is a fact. If some of you guys really think that there aren't genetic barriers in this world, you are deluded.

Michael was undoubtedly a very powerful individual that transcended DNA programming, and his work and skin condition reflect this. He went from black to white. How symbolic. Yes, they call it a disease, but I'm working on an archetype level here. See the clues, see the symbols -- it is all that matters on a fundamental level.

In a certain sense, Michael had so much power that he became somewhat untouchable by the occult forces behind the industry.

A figure like him with such worldwide recognition, speaking the truth about the media, and preaching for unconditional love cannot be left unchecked by the Illuminati. He was set up many times: Martin Bashir, the media, and money predators. He was also abused in police custody. People tried to destroy him and his career. Maybe they succeeded to an extent, hence his recent(?) problem with drugs.

The entire thing with plastic surgery and the fire accident is also very enigmatic. The way he continued to dance with his hair on fire... it just makes me think.

Michael himself understood that he was a powerful force against the establishment. He often portrayed himself as a mix of savior and angel. Later he changed into a more messianic pose. Now, if his death was really faked, we may soon have Michael, the messiah. I've heard rumors that he was going to reveal something during his 2009 tour.

Will Michael vindicate his messianic figure? Well, I have a positive intuition according to the following:

I've been a fan of Kate Bush, an english singer/composer, for many years. A lot could be said about this enigmatic woman. She was aware of certain things at the 80's, before I was even born, or interested into conspiracy theories.

Some of her songs, specially 'Experiment IV' and 'Cloudbusting', are about conspiracies. In the 'Cloudbusting' video, we see Wilhelm Reich being taken by the government and his work being confiscated -- exactly how it is rumored to have happened. It is said that Wilhelm's work was later incorporated into the Montauk project, which has a HUGE importance to this timeline and reality.

'Experiment IV' deals with the use of sound weapons by the military for the purpose of mind control. Dude, this is Montauk Project all the way!

As you can see, Kate Bush was touching on some deep stuff at that time. Like Michael, she had power over THEM. She removed herself from limelight. Also, EMI would stay put like a good doggy waiting for her albums to be produced, and she would produce them at her own time, home and studio. (I definitely should make a thread about Kate.)

Now, the interesting bit is that in her last album 'Aerial', the leading song 'King of the Mountain' is about the possibility that Elvis is alive, and perhaps waiting to show his face to the world again. If you research into folklore, you will find out that 'King of the mountain' is a motif in which a legendary hero dwells sleeping in a cave in a remote, high mountaintop, along with a body of his armed retainers. He sleeps waiting for his time to return (End Times?).

The connection with Elvis is that Michael used to talk about how he would eventually end like him. But how exactly like Elvis?

Just imagine if Michael really did fake his own death, then went into a temporary hiatus only to come back and reveal something to the world. I'm not religious, but I'm betting that "Archangel Michael" will come back on the moment of tribulation, whatever that may mean. Or maybe he won't be back in person, but in essence, as when something about him leaks through the media. I'm betting on it.

"Were sendin' out, A Major love, and this is our, Message to you, the planets are lining up, were bringin' brighter days, their all aligned, waiting for you! Can't you see? Your just another part of Me!" - Michael Jackson

your right about everything you say here. i was around when kate bought out all her albums and she knew something deffinitelly.i think both elvis and mj deffinetely knew their stuff and it will all come out in the wash.:D

[gwynned]

Would MJ be controlled? He appears to be more the controller, rather. This is what Randy Phillips also said, that they could argue about this issue of who's in control. And the people closest to MJ always know that he got what he wanted. Like that's why he always fired and rehired people. He did not like that anyone opposed him. And that's also why he did not have much contact with his family for periods.

Know what's really funny - the movie THIS IS IT - the Smooth Criminal part, a black and white old movie - it's the movie GILDA - about a man who hoaxes his death. And the man in the movie that does that, is the person that Michael plays. Not to mention - the actor in the movie has the same birthday as Michael, August 29th.

I had initially thought the 'death hoax' idea was preposeterous and due to wishful thinking and believed that he had been murdered by those in power who wanted to still his voice of love. But yesterday, I watched just about all there is on the internet in this regard and believe quite differently. In fact, I'm convinced MJ has orchestrated the whole thing. I went to see 'This is It' for the second time with a few friends, all of whom had only casual interest in MJ prior to the movie but walked away VERY moved by the experience. But one of them pondered how it was that the rehearsals were filmed with such professionalism that an entire story could be woven with them so powerfully.

If we assume he faked his own death, the next question is 'Why?' I would agree that he did so not to regain anonymity or retreat into a private world. I can't really explain why, but I believe this is something very big and that when he returns, he will bring with him a message that will take the world by storm, in a way that wouldn't have happened had he just gone on tour. And I'm haunted by his comment that 'We have only 4 years to get it right.' Why 4 years? What exactly are we supposed to 'get right?'

I wish, however, there was some footage of the actual 'Dave Dave' speaking prior to the Larry King interview. If one looks at that footage, the mouth doesn't seem to be actually speaking, as though something has been placed inside the mouth. This could be because of his terrible injuries, but the whole interview seemed very awkward and strange. Even Larry King seemed unsure of himself.

[hissil]

You call those videos proof? That's all you have to add in this debate?????

Why don't you comment on anything that has happened AFTER MJs death? Things concerning Dr Murray, AEG, Kenny Ortega, LaToya, the kids, Jermaine, Thome Thome.
Before his death, that's one thing - it's what happened after - a lot of the answers lies, which I already mentioned a little about.

So I think you need to to better research yeah, instead of just linking people to a useless youtube video with awful rap music.

You obviously ignored all the information, good for you.

[linda28]

gwynnec - I agree, the THIS IS IT film gave some strange vibes as in there is so much going on behind everything. Michael was talking into the camera when saying those political things.

What's weird now - I don't know if you have followed some threads on those hoax MJ forums but a website called thisisalsoit has been linking people over there to different pages of Sony 2012 movie, V for Vendetta wiki page, End Game movie of Alex Jones, to MJ forum pages about thisisalsoit, and some Emerald City wiki as well.

We believe they are pranksters, most likely, but ever since we found out Evan Chandler, father of Jordan Chandler the boy who accused Michael of sexual abuse died on November 5th of suicide, people have been thinking that there is more to it. Since V for Vendetta says something about revenge and November 5th. And the Emerald City page = E Chandler
And many theories have come up of what's going on. Some people are talking about 02=50 mirrored. Michael dies at 50. He would do 50 shows. And so we need to do more research here :)

gaiaschild - About Frank DiLeo - I don't think he would murder MJ just because he was fired. If you are a psychologist, think about it, how many people would become a murderer because of something like that? Doesn't sound likely to me...
Neither do I hear any hate from RP. He talks so passionately about Michael. How he got goosebumps and would do it all over again.
I think they are lying because they try and cover the death hoax :)
And since 90% of the money from THIS IS IT goes to the Jackson family, then Sony has no reason to kill in my opinion.

[gwynned]

[QUOTE=linda28;1058422472]gwynnec - I agree, the THIS IS IT film gave some strange vibes as in there is so much going on behind everything. Michael was talking into the camera when saying those political things.

What's weird now - I don't know if you have followed some threads on those hoax MJ forums but a website called thisisalsoit has been linking people over there to different pages of Sony 2012 movie, V for Vendetta wiki page, End Game movie of Alex Jones, to MJ forum pages about thisisalsoit, and some Emerald City wiki as well.

We believe they are pranksters, most likely, but ever since we found out Evan Chandler, father of Jordan Chandler the boy who accused Michael of sexual abuse died on November 5th of suicide, people have been thinking that there is more to it. Since V for Vendetta says something about revenge and November 5th. And the Emerald City page = E Chandler
And many theories have come up of what's going on. Some people are talking about 02=50 mirrored. Michael dies at 50. He would do 50 shows. And so we need to do more research here :)

If you haven't already seen the JonellStar TV series on Youtube, you may want to do so. IMHO, this is ALL a play within a play and the media has been taken for a ride. It's clear after looking at clips of the movie that almost NONE of the footage is of the real MJ. Remember they said that in the advertisement for the movie "You will see Michael like you've never seen him before." And Kenny Ortega says to the dancers in the movie, "You are EXTENSIONS of Michael." It's my belief that MJ was the director of the film and one of his team, if not the man himself, is behind the JonellStar website to hand out clues to his fans. Why the hoax? Like all great hoaxes there are many levels, not the least of which to make mincemeat of the media and to prove once and for all that people will believe anything!

Once you understand (at least some of) the hoax, it all looks very funny! For example the MJ imposter that announces the This is It tour in London is so obviously not him, it's ridiculous. It's like he's throwing it in their faces.

But I believe there is a much deeper purpose. As Jennifer Hudson sang at the memorial, just as the 'casket' was being brought forward. "We will see the King soon."

[gaias child]

gwynnec - I
gaiaschild - About Frank DiLeo - I don't think he would murder MJ just because he was fired. If you are a psychologist, think about it, how many people would become a murderer because of something like that? Doesn't sound likely to me...
Neither do I hear any hate from RP. He talks so passionately about Michael. How he got goosebumps and would do it all over again.
I think they are lying because they try and cover the death hoax :)
And since 90% of the money from THIS IS IT goes to the Jackson family, then Sony has no reason to kill in my opinion.

I didn't say Frank Dileo murdered MJ, what I said was he wasn't telling the truth. To understand where I am coming from I've read a lot and researched a lot and I met a few people along the way who have worked for the music industry who have told me what is said about the music industry is true. The music industry is run by the illuminati and many have said that MJ said he believed he would be murdered, including Teddy Riley who put his head above the parphet as he was a music producer for Michael. Any supporter of MJ would take his words seriously and he was often speaking of conspiracy against him. The messages are in his lyrics too


There is a video here from John Todd who used to run Zodiac music productions of which motown and others were subsidiaries. He outed what went on in the music industry in the 1970s and a while later he disappeared.

John Todd said 'Zodiac' productions took it's orders from the "Rothschild's Tribunal in London" The "Rothschild's" are a major Illuminati family!!!!!

John Todd said "Zodiac productions" was owned by something like "Britain? Enterprises" "Britain? Enterprises" was owned by "Chase Manhattan". "Chase Manhattan" was owned by "Standard Oil" (which was a Rockefeller company!) and "Standard Oil" was owned by "Lloyd's of London"!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otti-82jEAc

Other people have also spoken out. I don't necessarily agree with satanic word but I do think there is some strange evil corrupt business going on

http://www.examiner.com/x-10519-RB-Music-Examiner~y2009m10d21-Is-Rihannas-new-single-Russian-Roulette-satanic

The following is from Tiffany Evans an R and B singer

You gotta watch what u say. Because there are a lot of weak people in the world. They are susceptible to anything so anything you say or do some people actually do listen. So make sure its nothing bad. Its okay to be deep,but not murder deep.

Man! I really wish I could tell you guys what the industry really is and what stars are apart of destroying this world. The stars who worship satan,and those who have killed to get the respect they have now. You’d be verrrry surprise. Some of your favorite people pretend to worship God but they only do that to save face. Or seem innocent.

Satan was head of music in heaven. He uses influential people…to help influence the world. Think about that. Once u make a certain amount of money. Just know that that’s when they ask u to join. To get in you have accept the beast, worship. Once you join they assist u with ur career.make u huge.only if u agree and obey to destroy Gods word.and his children.

Ppl listen and pay attention. Its a war going on right now between Good and Evil. Evil will rule this world for a min. The people that have this power are the people that RULE the whole world. I’m done I won’t say anymore before I get in trouble


also more info on music industry

http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/field-of-art.htm

I am placing these links to show how the music industry works and whilst Frank Dileo may not have murdered MJ directly, he may be involved, simply because of the nature of the business. I haven't yet made up my mind about Frank in any case .


Finally a must see to understand who the major families in the illuminati are who run and control the world and what there aims are and solutions to it. MJ was going to be delaying their plans big time with his message



http://www.sprword.com/videos/ringofpower2/

If you think MJ hoaxed his death then you are saying MJ is illuminati because the only way he could do this is with illuminati help, I don't understand how the people who were behind destroying MJ and his career, and his message would now help him it makes no sense.

[gwynned]

If you think MJ hoaxed his death then you are saying MJ is illuminati because the only way he could do this is with illuminati help, I don't understand how the people who were behind destroying MJ and his career, and his message would now help him it makes no sense.


Bear with me a moment. Part of the Illuminati agenda is to make themselves appear more powerful than they really are. Perhaps because their power is waning, they have been forced to come out more blatantly to demonstrate their power. You see JayZ giving the Illuminati sign in public, etc. One could view this as a show of strength, but is more likely a sign of weakness as they have been forced to come out of the shadows which causes 'light' to shine on their agenda.

Certainly MJ must have encountered the Illuminati, and may have been brought up in it, but it never corrupted him. And he repeatedly said he would outwit them. The Illuminati may run the music business, but I think there may be some 'moles' in the industry which are secretly working against them. If, as I am near certain, his death was a hoax, MJ had the support and cooperation of many good souls within the industry who are sick to death of what is going on. And if the recent VMAs are any example, the dark side has little left up its sleeve but overt sex and satanism. This is all way more than a simple prank. It's one more huge step in exposing the illusion we believe to be real. This is not about the man - or any one man - it's about his message.

I don't want to underestimate the power of the dark side, but to quote Icke, Only love is real. It's time to believe and imagine a wonderful world, as it may be true as MJ said in the movie. We've got to get this right. We only have 4 more years.

[andiliz]

I didn't say Frank Dileo murdered MJ, what I said was he wasn't telling the truth. To understand where I am coming from I've read a lot and researched a lot and I met a few people along the way who have worked for the music industry who have told me what is said about the music industry is true. The music industry is run by the illuminati and many have said that MJ said he believed he would be murdered, including Teddy Riley who put his head above the parphet as he was a music producer for Michael. Any supporter of MJ would take his words seriously and he was often speaking of conspiracy against him. The messages are in his lyrics too


There is a video here from John Todd who used to run Zodiac music productions of which motown and others were subsidiaries. He outed what went on in the music industry in the 1970s and a while later he disappeared.

John Todd said 'Zodiac' productions took it's orders from the "Rothschild's Tribunal in London" The "Rothschild's" are a major Illuminati family!!!!!

John Todd said "Zodiac productions" was owned by something like "Britain? Enterprises" "Britain? Enterprises" was owned by "Chase Manhattan". "Chase Manhattan" was owned by "Standard Oil" (which was a Rockefeller company!) and "Standard Oil" was owned by "Lloyd's of London"!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otti-82jEAc

Other people have also spoken out. I don't necessarily agree with satanic word but I do think there is some strange evil corrupt business going on

http://www.examiner.com/x-10519-RB-Music-Examiner~y2009m10d21-Is-Rihannas-new-single-Russian-Roulette-satanic

The following is from Tiffany Evans an R and B singer



also more info on music industry

http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/field-of-art.htm

I am placing these links to show how the music industry works and whilst Frank Dileo may not have murdered MJ directly, he may be involved, simply because of the nature of the business. I haven't yet made up my mind about Frank in any case .


Finally a must see to understand who the major families in the illuminati are who run and control the world and what there aims are and solutions to it. MJ was going to be delaying their plans big time with his message



http://www.sprword.com/videos/ringofpower2/

If you think MJ hoaxed his death then you are saying MJ is illuminati because the only way he could do this is with illuminati help, I don't understand how the people who were behind destroying MJ and his career, and his message would now help him it makes no sense.

Gaias Child I am called earthsong on the "This Is NOT It" Forum. I see you have taken what I said word for word about John Todd wow!!!! I don't mind you using my words it's ok. It's all in L.O.V.E. Fans of MJ are confused some say he hoaxed his death and others say he was murdered. I hope in about 2 years time we will be closer to the truth. xx

My words were: John Todd said 'Zodiac' productions took it's orders from the "Rothschild's Tribunal in London" The "Rothschild's" are a major Illuminati family!!!!!

John Todd said "Zodiac productions" was owned by something like "Britain? Enterprises" "Britain? Enterprises" was owned by "Chase Manhattan". "Chase Manhattan" was owned by "Standard Oil" (which was a Rockefeller company!) and "Standard Oil" was owned by "Lloyd's of London"!
By the way Chase Manhattan was also to do with the Rockefellers.

[andiliz]

Joe Jackson, La Toya Jackson, Randy Jackson, Janet Jackson and Teddy Riley (MJ's producer) all say MJ was murdered!! They don't just say he died they say he was murdered.
Ok so some people may not trust what Joe Jackson and La Toya Jackson say. Some might not even trust what Randy Jackson says.
But I really do trust what Janet Jackson says we all trust her!!
I also trust Teddy Riley he is a very nice person.
Karen Faye and the "Follower" fans are also sure MJ was murdered and treated very badly. Ok so maybe Karen Faye and the Follower fans may not of been close enough to MJ to be let in on the hoax. But I am sure Janet Jackson is close enough and would know the truth!!
If this is a hoax why would all these people close to Michael be saying Michael Jackson was murdered?? They could just say yes MJ died it is very, very sad and move on with their lives they don't need to say he was murdered it makes no sense. Unless none of them are in on the hoax which I find unlikely.

[gwynned]

If this is a hoax why would all these people close to Michael be saying Michael Jackson was murdered?? They could just say yes MJ died it is very, very sad and move on with their lives they don't need to say he was murdered it makes no sense. Unless none of them are in on the hoax which I find unlikely.

They are clearly ALL in on the hoax. And MJ WAS murdered....by the press over and over with their lies and half truths. And there may well have been real attempts on his life, which may be why he remained in hiding for so long. Remember. This whole hoax is extremely well orchestrated and everyone involved is following a kind of script.

How else could MJ redeem his good name except by exposing the media for the stupid fools and liars that they are. I can't wait to see it revealed that the media took for gospel the youtube video of the doctor who probably doesn't even exist! Once this lie begins to unravel, I believe you will see a house of cards fall and those of us who have tried unsuccessfully to convince our friends that the media lies will have them coming to us with egg on their faces as well. I take no pleasure in that, but will be grateful to have some respect among my friends again and not be considered a 'conspiracy nut.'

[timmy]

Guys! My daughter has received letter from one woman about something strange in the Memorial. We all know song "Smile":


Smile, though your heart is aching
Smile, even though it's breaking
When there are clouds in the sky
You'll get by...

If you smile
With your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just...

Light up your face with gladness
Hide every trace of sadness
Although a tear may be ever so near
That's the time you must keep on trying
Smile, what's the use of crying
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just......."



But at the Memorial Jermaine Jackson sings:
"Light up your face with SADNESS
Hide every trace of GLADNESS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VifMJORy5MQ

Strange!
:cool::cool:

[timmy]

.....If this is a hoax why would all these people close to Michael be saying Michael Jackson was murdered?? They could just say yes MJ died it is very, very sad and move on with their lives they don't need to say he was murdered it makes no sense. Unless none of them are in on the hoax which I find unlikely.


Maybe they say that for us, thus we "will dig the earth" and we learn about Michael's enemies?! And WE will pay attention and be aware about "dirt" in Interteiment business?!

[gwynned]

But at the Memorial Jermaine Jackson sings:
"Light up your face with SADNESS
Hide every trace of GLADNESS

[
Strange!
:cool::cool:

Not strange at all. If you look carefully at the video, they are all trying not to laugh!!!!! They must hide every trace of 'gladness' or the hoax would be revealed!

[1776]

it's all just speculations. I believe michael is not dead. There is more evidence pointing to that, than the illuminati. Dr murray might not even be real. Where is he? No photos of him anywhere at all and he killed the most famous artist in the world. Doesn't make sense.

I think mottola has better things to do than being bitter, years after (like banging his new latina babe wife). And if anyone killed michael, they would go to jail for life, so who would wanna do such a crazy thing?

f a i l

[timmy]

Poem from Michael Jackson Earth, taken from the album This Is It.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nkLIbemT_0

:)

[gaias child]

I also trust Teddy Riley he is a very nice person.

If this is a hoax why would all these people close to Michael be saying Michael Jackson was murdered?? They could just say yes MJ died it is very, very sad and move on with their lives they don't need to say he was murdered it makes no sense. Unless none of them are in on the hoax which I find unlikely.

Agreed!!

[eternal wheel]

maybe he just died. people do, you know,
or maybe he was murdered coz he was a DIRTY FEKKING PAEDO. :mad:

funny innit, people going on about poor micheal jackson this, poor micheal jackson that, why not tell us what a good caretaker ian huntley was??

[starshine]

Haqs anybody heard the story about the father of Jordy Chandler killing himself? I wonder what you make from that?

[linda28]

Haqs anybody heard the story about the father of Jordy Chandler killing himself? I wonder what you make from that?

Yeah I mentioned it earlier here and I think his death is a little spooky...
Since he died on November 5th - and the thisisalsoit.com website, pranksters or not, did direct the MJHD members to a V for Vendetta page. In this movie, there is also the November 5th date. Maybe it's a coincidence though....or maybe he was murdered?

[godgoo]

My magic eightball says

Maybe!

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

[starshine]

I do not really think of this MJ as a hero, and he spent millions trying to escape from being a African American.

[andiliz]

I do not really think of this MJ as a hero, and he spent millions trying to escape from being a African American.

Michael Jackson is a hero of mine. Michael was proud to be black (he also had some white blood and Native American Indian blood so you could say he was 'mixed race').
MJ had Vitiligo and Lupus and was abused so leave the poor guy alone. "It doesn't matter if your black or white"

Karma is working Evan Chandler is dead. The name of the apartment block he died in was called 'Liberty Towers' with a 33 above the name 'Liberty'- we know what that means, right? a MASONIC BUILDING!! His death was in Jersey City, New Jersey. New Jersey and New York both have hundreds of Freemason Temples!!!
Evan Chandler died in his luxury condo in Jersey City, New Jersey. An 800 square foot rental apartment in "Liberty Towers"!!
Didn't Evan Chandler die on the 5th November? In England we have "Guy Fawkes Night" on the 5th November!

And "Martin Bashir" has an incurable brain tumor so Karma is defo working!!

[andiliz]

Roseanne Barr has shared about her own personal experiences having been severely abused and suffering with multiple personality disorder/dissociative identity disorder (DID). In 2001 she appeared on the Larry King show and spoke about DID and CIA mind control torture. Roseanne's recent comments suggest that she believed or was aware that Michael Jackson also suffered with DID and had been severely abused as a child. Roseanne is not the only person who has claimed this, as author and neurofeedback specialist Susan Ford (aka Brice Taylor) claimed to have witnessed Jackson offered up by his father to be abused by powerful pedophiles in exchange for the Jacksons getting a chance at stardom. The late 'Gunther Russbacher', a CIA/ONI operative known for his role as a whistleblower in the October Surprise intrigue that facilitated Ronald Reagan and George Bush ascending to office, had told his wife Rayelan that Michael Jackson's father Joe Jackson had done something awful to Michael in his childhood and that Michael was later recruited as an adult to assist in a covert sting operation to nab pedophiles. Respected psychiatrist and author Colin Ross, M.D. has written books such as "Bluebird" about cult abuse and CIA mind control operations that create cases of dissociative disorders.

Jermaine Jackson has suggested (in his 'tell all' book which never came out) that his father Joe Jackson may have arranged for Michael to be 'used' by 'older men'. He tells how his father had the young boy Michael Jackson join late-night hotel room meetings with "important business people."
Jermaine wondered whether "something happened" to Michael at those sessions? He said he sensed something was wrong because Michael would be sick for days after! "What was Joseph doing?" Jermaine wrote. Michael Jackson said himself that his father beat him a lot. It is a fact Michael Jackson was also locked in basements as a punishment.

cathy o'brien
says: 'they didnt take into account the human spirit, because the concept of it is foreign to them.'

michael was
off the wall, a thriller
bad and
dangerous
that was his
HIStory
in a nutshell
The Man he saw in the Mirror looked nothing like himself.
he saw someone else when he looked there. he had DID for sure,
and one of his sexual 'alters' was only twelve years old and one of his 'ulters' was Peter Pan (the boy who never grew up).
he was re enacting pubescent masturbation things that boys do with boys in his dancing.
the problem was that his alter was inside of a forty something man (he was 50 when he died).
Michael Jackson was abused. Michael Jackson wasn't an abuser he was a victim and an 'illuminati variety slave'.
People who are abused are often frozen at the age the abuse was done to them.
this is the secret of 'dissociative disorders'. the manufacturing of 'amnesia' was studied intensely in child victims of incest and abuse by the forces in the CIA who studied brainwashing under MK ULTRA programs. Google this. Michael was a victim of his father Joe, who was and is an MK Ultra operative.
Scientology (which is a cult) is right about shrinks.

: From Roseanne Barr's Blog in her own words:
: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++

: "Joe Jackson is an MK Ultra operative
: who's abuse of his own children was used to profit the CIA's
: programs that follow and study the effects of child abuse
: on the young, and how their minds can be controlled to such
: an extent, and with such abuse, that they can be forced to
: develop talent. Jesus said 'the truth will confound you in
: that day'.
: Michael's father Joe Jackson is a child abuser, and Michael's mother Katherine Jackson looked the other
: way while he beat their kids and tortured their son Michael Jackson mentally.
: keep them both away from Michael's kids."

[gaias child]

I do not really think of this MJ as a hero, and he spent millions trying to escape from being a African American.

I can't believe that on a conspiracy forum, where there should be more awareness there is so little understanding of what the illuminati are and so much quoting of trash tabloid with so little understanding that it is a controlled source of information used to manipulate minds. The media made up he bleached his skin as part of the character assassination of MJ, they knew full well he had vitiligo, as he explained in 1993 to a very publicised interview with Oprah Winfrey, but the mainstream media censored that information .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15TSEKXXIvI&feature=fvw

[gaias child]

But at the Memorial Jermaine Jackson sings:
"Light up your face with SADNESS
Hide every trace of GLADNESS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VifMJORy5MQ

Strange!
:cool::cool:

Interesting. The way I see it, though is that Jermaine just forgot his words, through grief Mariah Carey stumbled a few times too.

The thing is with Michael it seems we can interpret info anywhich way we like to fit our own beliefs, a bit like the bible really.

[gaias child]

Yeah I mentioned it earlier here and I think his death is a little spooky...
Since he died on November 5th - and the thisisalsoit.com website, pranksters or not, did direct the MJHD members to a V for Vendetta page. In this movie, there is also the November 5th date. Maybe it's a coincidence though....or maybe he was murdered?

There is that tape where Evan Chandler said there were other powerful people behind him who wanted to bring MIchael down and destroy him. He could name names, this gives me the creeps, I doubt it is guilt 17 years later when he had none before

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...6090102AAVs5nT

Here’s an exerpt of a recorded conversation between the father Evan Chandler of the 1993 boy’s father, and stepfather.

This is the father speaking. This can be found in a book called Redemption, by Geraldine Hughes- a secretary who worked for the lawyers for the Chandlers

“I’m prepared to move against Michael Jackson. It’s allready set. There are people involved that are waiting for my phone call that are in certain positions. I’ve paid them to do it. Everything’s going according to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. And I’ve given him full authority to do that.” Whoever this person is that the father is referring to probably had proximity to Michael Jackson, and the ability to control people in Michael Jackson’s world

[andiliz]

There is that tape where Evan Chandler said there were other powerful people behind him who wanted to bring MIchael down and destroy him. He could name names, this gives me the creeps, I doubt it is guilt 17 years later when he had none before

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...6090102AAVs5nT

Here’s an exerpt of a recorded conversation between the father Evan Chandler of the 1993 boy’s father, and stepfather.

This is the father speaking. This can be found in a book called Redemption, by Geraldine Hughes- a secretary who worked for the lawyers for the Chandlers
I wonder who the man/men was/were who had the power to bring down MJ and why did he/they want to? Evan Chandler died in 'Liberty Towers' which reminds me of the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island.

[gaias child]

I wonder who the man/men was/were who had the power to bring down MJ and why did he/they want to? Evan Chandler died in 'Liberty Towers' which reminds me of the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island.

Two reasons one, he had set up Heal the World foundation in 1992, someone with MJ influence across the globe on healing our plaent with love and unity was a message tptb do not want, so much better to character assassinate MJ and make it look like his care for kids around the world is because he is a child molestor, what better way to destroy his message and his character. , also the other reason is there was a clause in the sony catelogue contract that MJ drew up with Sony that if anything went wrong with MJ morally the catelogue would revert back to Sony. So tptb in Sony would also have had an interest in character assassinating MJ . This was in the dick gregory interview. Michael did say himself, they were trying to get his catelogue and he said during the trials they wanted to kill him . But who They are exactly, I do not know.

Teddy Riley also said Michael named business associates he said were tying to kill him but Teddy would not name them

Why is November 5th and guy fawkes night relevant to Evan Chandlers death. Liberty Towers in interesting

[andiliz]

Two reasons one, he had set up Heal the World foundation in 1992, someone with MJ influence across the globe on healing our plaent with love and unity was a message tptb do not want, so much better to character assassinate MJ and make it look like his care for kids around the world is because he is a child molestor, what better way to destroy his message and his character. , also the other reason is there was a clause in the sony catelogue contract that MJ drew up with Sony that if anything went wrong with MJ morally the catelogue would revert back to Sony. So tptb in Sony would also have had an interest in character assassinating MJ . This was in the dick gregory interview. Michael did say himself, they were trying to get his catelogue and he said during the trials they wanted to kill him . But who They are exactly, I do not know.

Teddy Riley also said Michael named business associates he said were tying to kill him but Teddy would not name them

Why is November 5th and guy fawkes night relevant to Evan Chandlers death. Liberty Towers in interesting
I think it all goes back to Pepsi advert 1984.
I think someone should look into the guy who sold MJ his Neverland ranch.

[chica314]

An interesting Youtube series that sheds light on the reasons that Michael was snuffed out, including his public exposure of Tommy Mottola and Sony's abuse of its artists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_o_6PPzSRY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GDThLnqIF4&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h--5B2VPq4w&feature=player_embedded

[gaias child]

I think it all goes back to Pepsi advert 1984.
I think someone should look into the guy who sold MJ his Neverland ranch.

You are probably right.

Who sold MJ the Neverland Ranch, anything to do with CIA

[andiliz]

You are probably right.

Who sold MJ the Neverland Ranch, anything to do with CIA

Michael Jackson purchased the property (Neverland Ranch) from golf course entrepreneur "William Bone" in 1988 for a sum variously reported to be $16.5 to $30 million.
I don't know if "William Bone" has CIA connections? it would be woth checking out.
If you see "Neverland" from the air it is in the shape of a Monarch butterfly as in "MK Ultra" mind control. The "M" in MK Ultra stands for Monarch.

[linda28]

There is that tape where Evan Chandler said there were other powerful people behind him who wanted to bring MIchael down and destroy him. He could name names, this gives me the creeps, I doubt it is guilt 17 years later when he had none before

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...6090102AAVs5nT

Here’s an exerpt of a recorded conversation between the father Evan Chandler of the 1993 boy’s father, and stepfather.

This is the father speaking. This can be found in a book called Redemption, by Geraldine Hughes- a secretary who worked for the lawyers for the Chandlers

The link on Evan doesn't work. I wish there'd be more of him out there, I only heard that taped phone call where he says he is gonna create hell for MJ.
The guy is insane - he even wanted to kill his own son.

It's difficult to imagine that MJ gladly joined them for holidays at their family home on the countryside. Like, that he never noticed anything crazy about those people.

If he paid others to setup MJ, that doesn't prove anyhting though. Lots of people have haters, also MJ. Envy and stuff out there.

I still believe he is alive though. LaToya smiling at the memorial has bothered me lately. And Paris also smiled, right after her "crying" speech. Something is off.

[linda28]

Two reasons one, he had set up Heal the World foundation in 1992, someone with MJ influence across the globe on healing our plaent with love and unity was a message tptb do not want, so much better to character assassinate MJ and make it look like his care for kids around the world is because he is a child molestor, what better way to destroy his message and his character. , also the other reason is there was a clause in the sony catelogue contract that MJ drew up with Sony that if anything went wrong with MJ morally the catelogue would revert back to Sony. So tptb in Sony would also have had an interest in character assassinating MJ . This was in the dick gregory interview. Michael did say himself, they were trying to get his catelogue and he said during the trials they wanted to kill him . But who They are exactly, I do not know.

Teddy Riley also said Michael named business associates he said were tying to kill him but Teddy would not name them

Why is November 5th and guy fawkes night relevant to Evan Chandlers death. Liberty Towers in interesting

Hm, what people seem to forget though in these set ups, is that Michael actually did sleep with young boys in beds. And Evan thought he saw MJs hand on his son's genitals while sleeping. Insane as Evan is, he probably wanted revenge or whatever. So MJ was not setup, since he admitted to sleeping with kids - someone would take advantage of that. If the illuminati wants child molestation (for those who think that's what went on in Neverland - then wouldn't they make sure MJ never risked losing Neverland, or protect him!?

Charities - there are tons of them out there. Why hasn't anyone killed Paul McCartney then? MJ is in the guiness book of records for supporting most charities and he has done that since early 80s. It's unlikely anyone would see charities as threats to the nwo.

[linda28]

Michael Jackson purchased the property (Neverland Ranch) from golf course entrepreneur "William Bone" in 1988 for a sum variously reported to be $16.5 to $30 million.
I don't know if "William Bone" has CIA connections? it would be woth checking out.
If you see "Neverland" from the air it is in the shape of a Monarch butterfly as in "MK Ultra" mind control. The "M" in MK Ultra stands for Monarch.

Do you have a link to that picture? I have never seen any M there.

Neverland is beautiful. Every time I see the interior I can really feel and touch the love that was in that home. I really dont feel any evil going on there. Some people find it disgusting that there were so many cartoon sculptures, and of Annie, young kids, and links that to pedofilia - but that's taking it too far.

There were also lots of animals, tigers, lamas. And many kids have been healed there. Have you heard like Dave Daves story?

No evil going on. I don't believe that MK stuff with MJ.

[gwynned]

I still believe he is alive though. LaToya smiling at the memorial has bothered me lately. And Paris also smiled, right after her "crying" speech. Something is off.

Duh!!!! So, I saw the news story posted today of Dr. Murray at the church. Does anyone find it strange that he is NOT being hounded by the papparazi? When I finally got it, I couldn't believe how blind I had been. In my defense, we had all been blinded by the media to think of him in certain ways and not in others. The media hates winners. One of the things that really has me laughing at myself is that I ever thought the MJ's in the This is It were the really MJ (actually they COULD be the real MJ, trying to look like a fake). None of them were sexy, they all seemed a bit awkward and unsure of themselves, the dancing was great, but it wasn't electrifying. Not like this...

http://www.youtube.com/user/ElleRdz

There's much more out there. Just start looking.....

[linda28]

Duh!!!! So, I saw the news story posted today of Dr. Murray at the church. Does anyone find it strange that he is NOT being hounded by the papparazi? When I finally got it, I couldn't believe how blind I had been. In my defense, we had all been blinded by the media to think of him in certain ways and not in others. The media hates winners. One of the things that really has me laughing at myself is that I ever thought the MJ's in the This is It were the really MJ (actually they COULD be the real MJ, trying to look like a fake). None of them were sexy, they all seemed a bit awkward and unsure of themselves, the dancing was great, but it wasn't electrifying. Not like this...

http://www.youtube.com/user/ElleRdz

There's much more out there. Just start looking.....

Yeah can you believe that Murray has never been photographed by any papz? There should be a high price on him. Even if he's got security, they should be able to get a picture. Could it be because he doesnt exist?
I saw the pigmentation on his hands like vitiligo. So I think there is a posibility that he could actually be MJ. I dunno though. He seems taller so..

[gwynned]

Yeah can you believe that Murray has never been photographed by any papz? There should be a high price on him. Even if he's got security, they should be able to get a picture. Could it be because he doesnt exist?
I saw the pigmentation on his hands like vitiligo. So I think there is a posibility that he could actually be MJ. I dunno though. He seems taller so..

http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV#p/u/5/jiNyWwrxhu8

Here's how the illusion is created. You need to watch it to the end, tho.

[linda28]

http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV#p/u/5/jiNyWwrxhu8

Here's how the illusion is created. You need to watch it to the end, tho.

Hehe. Ive seen it before. It might be the truth yeah :)

This made me think of - remember the bloody shirt found in Michae's closet in was it July? It was a white shirt with the price tag on - which said 3.99 = September 3rd 2009, date of burial. Insane. And why was the bloody shirt on a clothes hanger?!

http://www.popeater.com/2009/08/06/pics-show-bloody-shirt-in-jacksons-closet/

[andiliz]

Do you have a link to that picture? I have never seen any M there.

Neverland is beautiful. Every time I see the interior I can really feel and touch the love that was in that home. I really dont feel any evil going on there. Some people find it disgusting that there were so many cartoon sculptures, and of Annie, young kids, and links that to pedofilia - but that's taking it too far.

There were also lots of animals, tigers, lamas. And many kids have been healed there. Have you heard like Dave Daves story?

No evil going on. I don't believe that MK stuff with MJ.
No there is no M in "Neverland". The shape of the 'Neverland Ranch' if you see it from the 'air' is in the shape of a "butterfly" not an M!! It's in the shape of a "Monarch butterfly"!!
I trust what Roseanne Barr says about MK Ultra. I believe MJ was an 'illuminati variety slave' and yes an MK Ultra kid.
Yes I have heard Dave Dave's beautiful story it is very touching!! I agree that the 'Neverland Ranch' is a beautiful place!! I also agree that MJ is defo NO pedo. Who is 'Annie'?
All that said it still doesn't mean the CIA didn't use the 'Neverland Ranch' and manipulate and abuse/mind control Michael Jackson.

[andiliz]

I believe Jermaine Jackson is maybe evil, bitter and jealous. I think he would try to hurt Michael and I think his hatred of Michael started the day he was replaced as the lead singer of the Jackson 5! I believe the Jackson brothers were all jealous of Michael, but Jermaine is the worst.
During the filming of the 'Torture' music video from the Victory album, Michael didn't show up so they used a mannequin dressed up like him. The director said it was torture working with them because they poked at and made fun of the Michael Jackson mannequin. Jermaine didn't show up either, but they didn't insult him at all, just Michael. I do think Jermaine brought the bad people into Michael's life like:
Dr. Tohme Tohme, 'Prince Sheikh Abdulla Bin Hamad Bin Isa Al-Khalifa' (the Prince of Bahrain) who was the one who sued MJ (the $7,000,000 law suit!) and the Nanny Grace Rwaramba (who is friends with Raymone Bain and Deepak Chopra), the "Nation of Islam" and others.

[timmy]

I believe Jermaine Jackson is maybe evil, bitter and jealous. I think he would try to hurt Michael and I think his hatred of Michael started the day he was replaced as the lead of the Jackson 5! I believe the Jackson brothers were all jealous of Michael, but Jermaine is the worst.
During the filming of the 'Torture' music video from the Victory album, Michael didn't show up so they used a mannequin dressed up like him. The director said it was torture working with them because they poked at and made fun of the Michael Jackson mannequin. Jermaine didn't show up either, but they didn't insult him at all, just Michael.

I agree with you about Jermaine.

Do you have a link for "filming of the 'Torture' music video from the Victory album"?

I assume that Michael was MK slave (I will try to find video, where on one of concerts, when camera approached, he made illuminatti sing).
But he grew up in this "Child-star" world, he did not know other life.
How he supose to know, that his life (assumed control)-it's wrong.
But afterwards he "awoke ", he understood that they manipulate him and he "break free".
I don't know if you understand what I meen. :o

And other thing...
Michael was smart man, he knew, there is enemies, that want to harm him.
Really knowing all that he "let" them to kill himself?!

[bulletproofheart]

Michael often let it slip that Jermaine was very lazy.He could have put so much more into his career.

As is the case with most of the family he lived off Michaels name.

[gaias child]

The link on Evan doesn't work. I wish there'd be more of him out there, I only heard that taped phone call where he says he is gonna create hell for MJ.
The guy is insane - he even wanted to kill his own son.

.

Yeah for some reason the link is not working now how convenient!!!

Still it is in the book Redemption, I bought a copy to check, because I don't believe everything I read, and it is in there and I believe it.

[gwynned]

I believe Jermaine Jackson is maybe evil, bitter and jealous. I think he would try to hurt Michael and I think his hatred of Michael started the day he was replaced as the lead of the Jackson 5! I believe the Jackson brothers were all jealous of Michael, but Jermaine is the worst.

You start out with 'I believe' as though such matters are ones of faith rather than fact. That said, I believe you are wrong because in this country, a man is innocent until proven guilty, except of course, where the press is concerned, because they know people BELIEVE lies.

[gaias child]

No there is no M in "Neverland". The shape of the 'Neverland Ranch' if you see it from the 'air' is in the shape of a "butterfly" not an M!! It's in the shape of a "Monarch butterfly"!!
I trust what Roseanne Barr says about MK Ultra. I believe MJ was an 'illuminati variety slave' and yes an MK Ultra kid.
Yes I have heard Dave Dave's beautiful story it is very touching!! I agree that the 'Neverland Ranch' is a beautiful place!! I also agree that MJ is defo NO pedo. Who is 'Annie'?
All that said it still doesn't mean the CIA didn't use the 'Neverland Ranch' and manipulate and abuse/mind control Michael Jackson.

That is very interesting about the Neverland Ranch being the shape of a Monarch butterfly, do you know why that is? Does the CIA have any connection to Neverland?

[gaias child]

Hm, what people seem to forget though in these set ups, is that Michael actually did sleep with young boys in beds. And Evan thought he saw MJs hand on his son's genitals while sleeping. Insane as Evan is, he probably wanted revenge or whatever. So MJ was not setup, since he admitted to sleeping with kids - someone would take advantage of that. If the illuminati wants child molestation (for those who think that's what went on in Neverland - then wouldn't they make sure MJ never risked losing Neverland, or protect him!?

Charities - there are tons of them out there. Why hasn't anyone killed Paul McCartney then? MJ is in the guiness book of records for supporting most charities and he has done that since early 80s. It's unlikely anyone would see charities as threats to the nwo.

What people also seem to forget is that Michael's bedroom was actually a suite of rooms bigger than most people's houses and he didn't just have children in there but adults too. Personally I don't see anything wrong with him having children in there, it was the children's choice ,if he were a pedo he would hardly admit sleeping with children,the reason why he admitted it is because it was innocent and it is what goes on in other people's minds. I do think he should not have done that simply because of how society thinks about it. Here is an interview with a family friend of MJ who did one interview here, and how his kids also slept at MJ and they wanted to testify in mj defence but MJ would not let them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I4EnvERL98



The reason why tptb do not care about people like "Sir" Paul McCartney is because he is illuminati. The powers that be do not kill everyone, only some that become a threat such as John Lennon, Bob Marley, Princess Diana,possibly Tupac, JFK, Martin Luther King. There are also other reasons for why people are assassinated. As I said the reasons for killing MJ are multi faceted, it isn't one reason he just became too dangerous, in general for his messae and the fact he could be the most powerful person in the music industry, powerful people in the music industry have to be illumiati. MJ was against everything the illuminati stood for. Once he was going to do this come back and everyone would know the media assassination was untrue, and it is possibly to do with getting complete control of his catelogue, which was going to revert back to him in 2010, when he had paid back Sony, after these concerts, that catelogue will end up back with Sony in a few years, perhaps through the kids.

[j35p3r4d0]

no, michael jackson killed michael jackson, by being a long term drug addict

[gaias child]

no, michael jackson killed michael jackson, by being a long term drug addict

This thread has brought out the trolls who believe everything the media feed them.

Michael was against drugs.

Michael: "No no, my health is perfect actually, I’m a great believer in holistic natural foods and eating and herbs and things, you know, God’s medicine, instead of Western chemicals." March, 2005

[andiliz]

I agree with you about Jermaine.

Do you have a link for "filming of the 'Torture' music video from the Victory album"?

I assume that Michael was MK slave (I will try to find video, where on one of concerts, when camera approached, he made illuminatti sing).
But he grew up in this "Child-star" world, he did not know other life.
How he supose to know, that his life (assumed control)-it's wrong.
But afterwards he "awoke ", he understood that they manipulate him and he "break free".
I don't know if you understand what I meen. :o

And other thing...
Michael was smart man, he knew, there is enemies, that want to harm him.
Really knowing all that he "let" them to kill himself?!

I understand what you are trying to say. I agree with you.

[andiliz]

What people also seem to forget is that Michael's bedroom was actually a suite of rooms bigger than most people's houses and he didn't just have children in there but adults too. Personally I don't see anything wrong with him having children in there, it was the children's choice ,if he were a pedo he would hardly admit sleeping with children,the reason why he admitted it is because it was innocent and it is what goes on in other people's minds. I do think he should not have done that simply because of how society thinks about it. Here is an interview with a family friend of MJ who did one interview here, and how his kids also slept at MJ and they wanted to testify in mj defence but MJ would not let them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I4EnvERL98



The reason why tptb do not care about people like "Sir" Paul McCartney is because he is illuminati. The powers that be do not kill everyone, only some that become a threat such as John Lennon, Bob Marley, Princess Diana,possibly Tupac, JFK, Martin Luther King. There are also other reasons for why people are assassinated. As I said the reasons for killing MJ are multi faceted, it isn't one reason he just became too dangerous, in general for his messae and the fact he could be the most powerful person in the music industry, powerful people in the music industry have to be illumiati. MJ was against everything the illuminati stood for. Once he was going to do this come back and everyone would know the media assassination was untrue, and it is possibly to do with getting complete control of his catelogue, which was going to revert back to him in 2010, when he had paid back Sony, after these concerts, that catelogue will end up back with Sony in a few years, perhaps through the kids.
I agree totally with what you say!!!! "Sir" Paul McCartney, "Sir" Mick Jagger, "Sir" Bob Geldof, "Sir" Elton John, "Sir" Cliff Richard.....
These rock stars with never be killed as they are all Illuminati!! Rod Stewart has a "CBE" and I think "Bono" is also Illuminati!! Steven Spielberg who has a "KBE" is also Illuminati!!
I believe 2Pac was defo killed by the Illuminati, so was 'JFK' and his brother 'RFK', Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, John Lennon, Bob Marley, Princess Diana, Bill Cooper and Michael Jackson and many, many more. I think Kurt Cobain, Elvis Presley and Jimi Hendrix may also have been killed by the Illuminati??
Do you know why Janet Jackson said in her interview she thought Michael Jackson did take drugs??

[nosferatu]

M J was not killed by anyone at all - unless you hold his doctor/s responsible for his over medication which M J was addicted to. Plain and simple.

[linda28]

What people also seem to forget is that Michael's bedroom was actually a suite of rooms bigger than most people's houses and he didn't just have children in there but adults too. Personally I don't see anything wrong with him having children in there, it was the children's choice ,if he were a pedo he would hardly admit sleeping with children,the reason why he admitted it is because it was innocent and it is what goes on in other people's minds. I do think he should not have done that simply because of how society thinks about it. Here is an interview with a family friend of MJ who did one interview here, and how his kids also slept at MJ and they wanted to testify in mj defence but MJ would not let them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I4EnvERL98



The reason why tptb do not care about people like "Sir" Paul McCartney is because he is illuminati. The powers that be do not kill everyone, only some that become a threat such as John Lennon, Bob Marley, Princess Diana,possibly Tupac, JFK, Martin Luther King. There are also other reasons for why people are assassinated. As I said the reasons for killing MJ are multi faceted, it isn't one reason he just became too dangerous, in general for his messae and the fact he could be the most powerful person in the music industry, powerful people in the music industry have to be illumiati. MJ was against everything the illuminati stood for. Once he was going to do this come back and everyone would know the media assassination was untrue, and it is possibly to do with getting complete control of his catelogue, which was going to revert back to him in 2010, when he had paid back Sony, after these concerts, that catelogue will end up back with Sony in a few years, perhaps through the kids.

The sex abuse case in 93 and 05 was a result of the sleep overs though. I agree, there is nothing wrong with what MJ did, he did not do anything wrong really. But he should have avoided doing it, when knowing the evil people out there. And I think this is why the charges came - they knew he could not defend sleeping in same bed as Jordan Chandler.

How do we know Macca is one of illuminati? He always seems so sweet and peaceful. Although I detect an obsessive, controlling side in him.

[andiliz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwBv7MMhkc0&feature=player_embedded
This video seems true to me. What do you guys think? Michael Jackson was sacrificed by the Illuminati.
The only thing I don't understand is why Janet Jackson said Michael was addicted to drugs??

[gaias child]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwBv7MMhkc0&feature=player_embedded
This video seems true to me. What do you guys think? Michael Jackson was sacrificed by the Illuminati.
The only thing I don't understand is why Janet Jackson said Michael was addicted to drugs??

I think MJ death was a ritual sacrifice too, the more I look into it the more convinced I am. The towers was a ritual as was Princess Di death.

He was killed on 25th June, just after summer solstice, glastonbury was on,his memorial was on 7/7/2009,his fake will 7/7/2002, exactly 7 years earlier, 7 was Michael's favourite number and he wore numbers 777, the number of god, he was trying to protect himself is what I sense. He was buried 70 days after his death, there are also 7 spotlights coming out of his head on the art work of this is it cover. I think they advertised what they had done to those who can see it by showing they don't care about us clip on the news, if you listen to the words, it is chilling, as Martin Luther kings voice in the background says, "this is the biggest demonstration for peace in the history of mankind ". It is a warning to others in the music industry to not do wht MIchael did, which is he tried to be too clever and get control. Also is this is not it movie a friend told me the triumph arc is on fire whereas when Michael used this symbol he used it with suns and smiles, so they have added the triumph arc on fire, to corrup MJ message. Michael used symbols for a positive meaning. There is illuminati symbolism all over his albums, and I heard he did not like the person who did the dangerous artwork cover as he thought he was one of them. This is on the Glenda tapes

There is an article here on whether it was sacrifice, the King of Pop ie "population" is a big sacrifice, to signify something big.

http://www.thedoggstar.com/the-apocalypse/michael-jackson-illuminati/michael-was-murdered/

Also on the day he died they passed a bill to reduce human liberties further and on the day of his memorial the pope called for a world political authority NWO. This was reported in Reuters associated press, owned by the Rothschilds. MJ memorial and death was a mass distraction from all of this, and part of the ritual



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVe3p0vCsxQ&feature=related


http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5662VM20090707




and a thread here on interpreting symbolism in his albums,they kept getting closed on MJ forums so they started this one to discuss it, it is very interesting

http://michaeljackson.ae/showthread.php?74-The-Illuminati-NWO-Killed-Michael-Jackson&p=245#post245

I think Janet said what she said because she is scared of something, and was told if she wanted to keep her career to say what she was told to say, she is just too scared I think, many others have said Michael was worried for his life and the fact she did not even hint that Michael worried for his life when she knew full well, is evidence itself.

Teddy tried to back track as well and looked really nervous althugh he did say that Michael had named people he thought were trying to kill him.

I think the Jackson's have a good idea who killed Michael too.

Michael understood full well the NWO and he said in this is not it, that we had 4 years or it would be too late, he said we had to care for our planet and heal her and to heal the world through love and untity. It is clear to me what this message is. I wonder what else he was going to say...

[andiliz]

This post is about a You Tube video which has now been deleted and the video was also in other 'media' and these are not my own words but the words of someone off the This is NOT it forum.
"It was taped outside the "Burbank", California dance studio at night. It was a 'fan' video. Michael Jackson had the same jacket on he had on at the 'This Is It' 02 Arena press conference in London. He was wearing his sun glasses. He stated that he was angry with the promoter (AEG) for booking him up for 50 shows, that he went to bed thinking he only had to do 10 shows and he woke up having to do 50. He said he didn't know how he would do it, as he wasn't a big eater and would need to put some weight on.
The video was pulled down not long after he passed!! I have been searching for it ever since. Some cable shows and ITV even had shown clips from that video. The part of him saying he didn't know how he would do as he wasn't a big eater was played on "Hollywood 411" among others. I enlisted the help of some members of the 'media'. I was told that when the 'media' pull something down, it is impossible to trace because everyone just pretends they don't know what you are talking about!! There is no way to track the things that are taken off 'You Tube' either!!
If someone comes up with that video, make copies of it and send to as many people and places as possible!! Send to the 'media' again!! We have to keep searching for it!! I think something horrible happened to our beautiful Michael and we need to never stop searching for the 'truth'!! We have to do it for him!!
The 02 press conference video's have also all been edited to remove Michaels saying "10 shows" in London. He DID say that at the press conference but it has been edited out of every copy I can find. Information has been being removed since the last week of June!! They are trying to get the Sony speech that he did in London pulled down now also! Someone must be mighty nervous to be trying to cover up facts! It's very telling if you ask me! If you have nothing to hide, you do not put effort into hiding things. That easy. Keep the faith alive everyone! The truth must be told!!"
See Michael Jackson's speech about $ony & Tommy Mottola - "$ony Kills Music" below here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F3t2Gc0Qpo
The internet has also deleted stuff about Freemason's on Freemason websites thanking Dr. Murray for killing Michael Jackson. People have been saying the photo of Dr. Murray in his Freemason outfit was photoshopped but it wasn't. I believe Dr. Murray is a Freemason and is being protected by the elite. I believe Dr. Murray is a contract killer and is maybe being "mind controlled" and is a stooge, a government patsy.

[a fine naked fellow]

“I myself have never tried drugs. No marijuana, no cocaine, nothing. I mean I haven’t even tried these things. Forget it. …I don't mean to be judgmental - its not even a moral issue for me, I’ve seen drugs destroy to many lives to think they’re anything to fool with”
- Michael Jackson

“I’m a vegetarian now and I’m so much thinner. I’ve been on a strict diet for years. I feel better then I ever have, healthier and more energetic. I don’t understand why the press is so interested in speculating about my appearance anyway.”
- Michael Jackson

“… I am fascinated by the concept of revenge. Its something I cant understand. The idea of making some one “pay” for something they’ve done to you, or that they imagine they’ve done to you is totally alien to me. The set up showed my fears and for the time being helped quell them. There were so many sharks in this business looking for blood in the water.”
-Michael Jackson

“The way Elvis destroyed interest me. Because I don’t ever wanna walk those grounds myself.”
-Michael Jackson

“What one wishes is to be touched by truth and to be able to interpret the truth, so one may use what one is feeling and experiencing, be it despair or joy, in a way that will add meaning to ones life and hopefully touch others as well.”
- Michael Jackson


long live the memory of the king of pop rock and soul.

[linda28]

I came across something that made me ponder. MJ's good friend for many years Omer Bhatti has a mk ultra "monarch" tattoo on his right arm?! And there is one eye under the crown, yikes. Also, his mother was wearing a red mini mouse jacket when meeting him at the airport this summer. I never noticed this before. They have spent years with Michael at Neverland. I wonder why Omer has this tattoo though. Coincidence?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1848/omern.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/omern.jpg/)

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1401/omer2.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/omer2.jpg/)

[andiliz]

I came across something that made me ponder. MJ's good friend for many years Omer Bhatti has a mk ultra "monarch" tattoo on his right arm?! And there is one eye under the crown, yikes. Also, his mother was wearing a red mini mouse jacket when meeting him at the airport this summer. I never noticed this before. They have spent years with Michael at Neverland. I wonder why Omer has this tattoo though. Coincidence?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1848/omern.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/omern.jpg/)

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1401/omer2.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/omer2.jpg/)
Linda are you the one of the people who believe in the death hoax? Omer was like a son to Michael Jackson. Omer probably is an MK Ultra kid. Prince, Paris and Blanket are also MK Ultra kids. A lot of the kids who went to Neverland became MK Ultra kids.
I believe MJ was murdered. You are lucky you got to meet Omer and his mother.

[linda28]

Linda are you the one of the people who believe in the death hoax? Omer was like a son to Michael Jackson. Omer probably is an MK Ultra kid. Prince, Paris and Blanket are also MK Ultra kids. A lot of the kids who went to Neverland became MK Ultra kids.
I believe MJ was murdered. You are lucky you got to meet Omer and his mother.

I am open to all posibilities, but believe Michael faked his death. If not, the Jackson family and kids has got serious issues. I mean look at this memorial picture here. Why do they smile? But about the kids and Omer - this tattoo is strange. At first I thought maybe it meant the king "Michael", but this tattoo does not say Michael. The one eye is rather weird.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2592/uhma.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/uhma.jpg/)

[andiliz]

Randy Phillips from AEG is related to Dr. Tohme Tohme through marriage!! Jermaine Jackson is friends with Dr. Tohme Tohme.
Tohme Tohme worked for Colony Capitol who own half of "Neverland", Thomas Barrack who owns Colony Capitol is good friends with Philip Anschutz who is big in the "energy industry". Anschutz also owns AEG, the rights to the this is it footage was brought by Columbia Pictures which is owned by Sony.

[gaias child]

I am open to all posibilities, but believe Michael faked his death. If not, the Jackson family and kids has got serious issues. I mean look at this memorial picture here. Why do they smile? But about the kids and Omer - this tattoo is strange. At first I thought maybe it meant the king "Michael", but this tattoo does not say Michael. The one eye is rather weird.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2592/uhma.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/uhma.jpg/)

I have to say I agree, that is a strange picture, I don't recall them smiling at the memorial, it is odd that the camera has captured that.

[gaias child]

Randy Phillips from AEG is related to Dr. Tohme Tohme through marriage!! Jermaine Jackson is friends with Dr. Tohme Tohme.
Tohme Tohme worked for Colony Capitol who own half of "Neverland", Thomas Barrack who owns Colony Capitol is good friends with Philip Anschutz who is big in the "energy industry". Anschutz also owns AEG, the rights to the this is it footage was brought by Columbia Pictures which is owned by Sony.

I'm sure all of these are connected to illuminait ie Tom barrack and Rothschild, they bought savoy hotels to together. Tom Barrack was President Nixon's attorney. Tohme business partner is Sig Rogich who is a consultant to Republican candidates for office. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_Rogich

Philip Answutz also owns Regal cinemas who had special deal with Sony to install digital equipment. Also deal to show tii movie in all his cinemas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regal_Entertainment_Group

When all three chains went into bankruptcy, investor Philip Anschutz bought substantial investments in all three companies, becoming majority owner. In March 2002, Anschutz announced plans to consolidate all three of his theatre holdings under a new parent company, Regal Entertainment Group.

On May 18, 2009, Regal Entertainment Group signed a deal with Sony to install all of its theaters with 4k digital projection over the next three to five years.



TRW is Tohme, Rogich and Weller, the website is down now, it was up a while ago and loads of symbolism on it

http://trw-adv.com/



http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2009/10/michael-jackson-dr-tohme-elvis-presley-and-the-las-vegas-doctor-to-the-stars-sleep-diet-part-one/

Above is a screenshot of another page from TRW where the agency posted its ad agency “street cred”. According to the site WaybackMachine.com, TRW’s website first appeared on the internet in October of 2004. TRW claims it’s “won” over “2500″ awards which we were unable to verify. We were also unable to find TRW Advertising on “top” ad agency lists-something you’d think would occur with so many “awards” TRW claims to have under its ad agency belt. In fact, we were unable to find TRW listed on any ad agency list.

The site does list “new work“:

-A 3 minute 30 second Michael Jackson “King of Pop” commercial on Jackson’s “This Is It” concert series slated to run at AEG Live’s O2 Center in London last July.

-A 90 second “tv spot” for Disney Magic Kingdom Stores, and,

-A corporate video on Colony Capital, LLC., founded by Tom Barrack.

Colony Capital, aka Tom Barrack, bought the “note” to Neverland, arranging a deal with Michael Jackson receiving profits if Neverland were developed. The person who arranged the meeting between Barrack and Jackson: Dr. Tohme R. Tohme, close friend of Jermaine Jackson. Colony Capital partnered with AEG Live to promote Jackson’s “This Is It” concert series in London.

Other than Tohme being listed on TRW as one of the “three principals” we were unable to find any other reference linking Tohme to TRW Advertising. We were able to verify that James (Jim) R. Weller is the same person listed in the court document that Tohme and Weller, along with a “Joseph Marcus” filed at Los Angeles Superior Court back in March on behalf of MJJ Productions, Michael Jackson’s company. The same document that listed Tohme as “President of MJJ Productions”.

Here’s the link to the Court Document. The document, filed on March 4, 2009, sought a motion for a preliminary injunction against Julien’s Auction House. In the document Tohme stated he was President of MJJ Productions. Tohme stated that he had signed the auction agreement with Julien’s, and that Tohme “wasn’t authorized” by Michael Jackson to sell “any of Michael Jackson’s personal property”.

[linda28]

andiliz - Yeah I heard Randy and Thome were related. But this was back in the 70s I think. That's a long time ago.

gaiaschild - If you don't remember anyone smiling at the memorial - I didn't either the first time I watched it and it's probably because our minds are programmed to only focus on pain and loss.

Here are some other pictures from the memorial and funeral that are a little off in my opinion:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/873/memorialo.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/memorialo.jpg/)http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/memorialo.jpg/1/w501.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img4/memorialo.jpg/1/)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9255/michaeljacksonmemorial6.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonmemorial6.jpg/)http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/michaeljacksonmemorial6.jpg/1/w500.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img21/michaeljacksonmemorial6.jpg/1/)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8668/michaeljacksonmemorialsd.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonmemorialsd.jpg/)http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/michaeljacksonmemorialsd.jpg/1/w470.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img4/michaeljacksonmemorialsd.jpg/1/)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2614/66471358.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/66471358.jpg/)http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/66471358.jpg/1/w604.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img21/66471358.jpg/1/)

[linda28]

One thing I also find weird is that the michaelajcksonhoaxdeath website was created on June 23rd. After someone found out, they "fixed" the error and now it says June 25th.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5193/june23rd.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/june23rd.jpg/)http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/june23rd.jpg/1/w747.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img4/june23rd.jpg/1/)

[andiliz]

One thing I also find weird is that the michaelajcksonhoaxdeath website was created on June 23rd. After someone found out, they "fixed" the error and now it says June 25th.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5193/june23rd.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/june23rd.jpg/)http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/june23rd.jpg/1/w747.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img4/june23rd.jpg/1/)
I've seen the photos back stage at the MJ memorial where a lot of people are smiling. There is a photo where Rebbie Jackson is smiling. I know there are a lot of clues. When MJ died I thought he had been murdered, then I thought he hoaxed his death, then I went back to thinking he was murdered.
The powers that be, Tommy Mottola, Martin Bashir, Uri Geller, the media and all the rest of them were out to destroy MJ so why would they support him in a death hoax??
The MJ memorial was Satanic why would MJ let his kids do that memorial?? Now the world knows Prince, Paris and Blanket because there father is no longer around to protect them. The paparazzi are now going after Prince, Paris and Blanket and Michael wouldn't like that!!
Danielle Lloyd (who never met MJ in person) said "Michael Jackson was a good actor and is in a better place right now" which was similar to what Dr. Arnold Klein who also said "Michael Jackson was a good actor". But sadly I don't trust what Dr. Arnold Klein says and Danielle Lloyd was on 'Celebrity Big Brother' with Jermaine Jackson and is good friends with Jermaine Jackson and I don't trust Jermaine at all he may have told Danielle Lloyd what to say.
I still believe MJ was murdered.

[linda28]

I've seen the photos back stage at the MJ memorial where a lot of people are smiling. There is a photo where Rebbie Jackson is smiling. I know there are a lot of clues. When MJ died I thought he had been murdered, then I thought he hoaxed his death, then I went back to thinking he was murdered.
The powers that be, Tommy Mottola, Martin Bashir, Uri Geller, the media and all the rest of them were out to destroy MJ so why would they support him in a death hoax??
The MJ memorial was Satanic why would MJ let his kids do that memorial?? Now the world knows Prince, Paris and Blanket because there father is no longer around to protect them. The paparazzi are now going after Prince, Paris and Blanket and Michael wouldn't like that!!
Danielle Lloyd (who never met MJ in person) said "Michael Jackson was a good actor and is in a better place right now" which was similar to what Dr. Arnold Klein who also said "Michael Jackson was a good actor". But sadly I don't trust what Dr. Arnold Klein says and Danielle Lloyd was on 'Celebrity Big Brother' with Jermaine Jackson and is good friends with Jermaine Jackson and I don't trust Jermaine at all he may have told Danielle Lloyd what to say.
I still believe MJ was murdered.

Uh the pictures I posted are gone. Wonder why.

Bashir and Uri had no power over MJ. MJ had a lot of power over his life that's why he hoaxed his death - planned it for years. Probably since 2004-5.

[andiliz]

Uh the pictures I posted are gone. Wonder why.

Bashir and Uri had no power over MJ. MJ had a lot of power over his life that's why he hoaxed his death - planned it for years. Probably since 2004-5.

Your pictures are back up. Why did Danielle Lloyd and Dr. Arnold Klein say Michael Jackson was a good actor when he was known for singing and dancing not acting??
The question is WHY would Michael Jackson hoax his death?? It makes no sense to me. Michael could just go to Ireland or Bahrain or some where to get away from the public eye.
I felt the powers that be WANTED us to believe in the death hoax. So it stopped us thinking about MJ was murdered.

[timmy]

O! Guys! Did you this video about song "This is it"?
Very strange!
http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67#p/u/14/JqNsyv5Vhs8 (part 13)

[gaias child]

One thing I also find weird is that the michaelajcksonhoaxdeath website was created on June 23rd. After someone found out, they "fixed" the error and now it says June 25th.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5193/june23rd.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/june23rd.jpg/)http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/june23rd.jpg/1/w747.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img4/june23rd.jpg/1/)

That is so weird, that reminds me there was book on amazon about MJ death pubished on 24 June and a review on 24th too, so a few of us raised this and they said it was error and changed it to July, but it was published on 24th June someone did a screen shot on this thread, I don't know how to load it unfortunately and the link is password protected so you probs won't be able to see it, I can load it on my email and send it though if anyone wants to upload it.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73662

http://www.amazon.com/Mysterious-Death-Michael-Jackson-Story/dp/B002EQAZ3K/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250385312&sr=1-28

although they have changed it now to july it originally said june, they changed it when we raised it with them look at the last comment

How is the publication date for this "kindle book" June 24, 2009 when MJ died on June 25, 2009?!?!

here is some other info on it

http://hubpages.com/hub/Rob-Simone-Book-The-Mysterious-Death-of-Michael-Jackson

Los Angles Radio talk personality, Rob Simone, penned a book about Michael Jackson’s death even before Michael Jackson’s body was cold. According to the Amazon bibliography, The Mysterious Death of Michael Jackson, by Rob Simon, was published June 24, 2009, a day before Michael even died. Hopefully, this is a typo, or we can also attribute Rob Simone with the clairvoyance to have this approximately 70 page book/e-book ready for print on the eve of Jackson’s cardiac arrest.

Rob Simone attempts to diagnosis the cause of Michael Jackson’s death even before any autopsy or official statement was released. Simone persists that Jackson had a genetic disorder that led to the onset of emphysema. That along with an addiction to painkillers is Simone’s recipe for Michael’s death.

The Mysterious Death of Michael Jackson opens with Simone’s claims that he could no longer keep silent about the seedy underbelly of modern medicines. This book is the premiere of a series of book in which Rob Simone intends to expose unethical celebrity doctors. Simone asserts that his four-hour interview with one doctor dissolved into a guilt-ridden confessional of the prescription drug pushing rampant in Hollywood. The doctor, let’s call him Dr. X—because that’s what Rob Simone does—tells a fantastical story of what happened when he met Michael Jackson at Neverland, and Michael Jackson allegedly sought drugs to help him sleep.

[gaias child]

who owns Michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com?

[andiliz]

who owns Michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com?
I don't know who owns Michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com but that site is now "up for sale".
That site keeps changing all the time. I thought someone called Amy from Australia originally ran that site?
That book sounds strange but it doesn't mean Michael Jackson is still alive. It could mean his death was planned though.
And why did Ian Halperin "know" MJ had six months to live??

[timmy]

And why did Ian Halperin "know" MJ had six months to live??
I was asking this question. My daughter read this book.
And said that she did not expect such nonsenses.
This book such a sh***t!

[joe911]

I remember reading the owners explanation for that. She said something about the timezone she was in made it late night 23rd? something like that anyway,tried looking for the page but it just redirects to the for sale sign.

[linda28]

Your pictures are back up. Why did Danielle Lloyd and Dr. Arnold Klein say Michael Jackson was a good actor when he was known for singing and dancing not acting??
The question is WHY would Michael Jackson hoax his death?? It makes no sense to me. Michael could just go to Ireland or Bahrain or some where to get away from the public eye.
I felt the powers that be WANTED us to believe in the death hoax. So it stopped us thinking about MJ was murdered.

For all us hoax believers, we think MJ saw it as the only way to ever go down with his pride and genius. Plus, and this is important, MJ wants to affect certain people on earth with his passing. How can he do that? Well, already tons of people who did not even like MJ say that they felt a huge presence was gone from earth ever since June 25th. And all of a sudden they started investigating into this whole thing and feel something is wrong. In all this they also rediscover Michael and his music, and feel that his impact is more intense now than before.

So, most people think MJ is dead, but those who don't - their lives have become an awakening, on a spiritual level. I think MJ is aware of this, which makes him really intelligent and spiritual indeed.

Those who believe he is dead, many of them have also changed their opinion about all the bad rumours in the past. Now they bless MJ instead of bash him.

I remember what Kenny Ortega said on July 7th before the memorial "This is what Michael would have wanted, the whole world to come together"

And there was a billion people or something that saw the memorial. That will make a big impact on people on a soul level. It goes very deep. People will start looking at the world and certain aspects in a different way. Sort of like wanting to stick to their own truth, and not follow the media so much.

We think Michael will comeback. I know it sounds crazy. At first I couldn't believe this either. So it's not like he did it to get away from the spotlight, since as you say, then he could just stay in Ireland.

And about Arnold Klein, he might be in on the hoax. Who knows. He has said many weird things. And the thing about Michael's friends coming forth is on aspect that is important in trying to figure this out as well. Like Larry King Live, he is so in on it we believe. He smirks and got so many inside jokes with Jermaine. Larry's wife loves Jermaine and Michael. So he would do it for them.

I think he planned it since 2005, because it seems that the Jackson family was so fed up with all the injustice toward them. Jermaine was in an interview saying that this is not what they envisioned when starting playing music back in the 60s, 70s. And so yeah, I think he, as well as Al Sharpton who hates racism and would do anything to protect the african american music legacy, would be in on this. Like, at the memorial his speech was very political, about black artists. They want the world to know about this, so that's why they had Martin Luther King's family on there as well.

[linda28]

O! Guys! Did you this video about song "This is it"?
Very strange!
http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67#p/u/14/JqNsyv5Vhs8 (part 13)

Strange indeed. I too felt it was incomplete work.

[linda28]

who owns Michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com?

Nobody knows. They say it's Amy from Australia, but then how could she create the website on June 23rd? If it's just a "typo" in google, then she was indeed fast at setting up the page, 3 hours or something, after Michael's death, according to herself and her receipt from the domainhost.

About the Rob Simone book on MJ'S death on June 24th, that's strange.
But he was wrong about cause of death. So, thousands of people out there thought Michael would die and was dying, that's what the media had said for months, that MJ had cancer. A lot of people have already written books about MJ and his life, so there would probably be some speculation around a soon death as well, to make money.

The stories about Michael asking doctors for pills, like lots of doctors and nurses have come forward with such stories, saying Michael had so many different pills all over his room, I really don't believe them. I think it was Michael rather, who wanted to expose the Hollywood doctors, and therefore create a debate around this, after his death of taking drugs. I think the doctors who say MJ asked them for pills are either actors, or Michael deliberately asked them this so that they later could come out and tell the world what MJ asked them.

[linda28]

I remember reading the owners explanation for that. She said something about the timezone she was in made it late night 23rd? something like that anyway,tried looking for the page but it just redirects to the for sale sign.

She might have lied. MJ died on the 25th, which would make it the 26th in Australia, not 23rd.

Her e-mail receipt from the domain host shows she created the name 3 hours after MJ's death, but there was something odd about the receipt because the email address doesn't exist. It's not the mail address to that domain host.

[andiliz]

She might have lied. MJ died on the 25th, which would make it the 26th in Australia, not 23rd.

Her e-mail receipt from the domain host shows she created the name 3 hours after MJ's death, but there was something odd about the receipt because the email address doesn't exist. It's not the mail address to that domain host.
Linda28 what do you make of Derek Clontz? Cassandra Gretchen-Sims? Illuminus Theo? the "This Is Also It" lot?
I don't get the Michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com site I have found it strange since it was set up.

[gaias child]

Some one posted that this is the domain address of mjhoaxdeathforum. I think it is odd this website, just suddenly disappeared with no explanation

Registrant:
Sara Bernarding
22 Gearing Rd.
Monongahela, Pennsylvania 15063
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: MICHAELJACKSONDEATHHOAX.COM
Created on: 25-Jun-09
Expires on: 25-Jun-10
Last Updated on: 30-Jun-09

Administrative Contact:
Bernarding, Sara nwadaras@gmail.com
22 Gearing Rd.
Monongahela, Pennsylvania 15063
United States
(724) 466-0095

Technical Contact:
Bernarding, Sara nwadaras@gmail.com
22 Gearing Rd.
Monongahela, Pennsylvania 15063
United States
(724) 466-0095

Domain servers in listed order:
CPNS01.SECURESERVER.NET
CPNS02.SECURESERVER.NET


Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited

[gaias child]

And why did Ian Halperin "know" MJ had six months to live??

He could have just got lucky, or he could be in on it in some way. I don't mean hoaxing his death but his assassination. I wouldn't be surprised, truth is stranger than fiction. He probs just got lucky or a tip off from someone.

I still feel MJ is dead, but am looking at all possibilities

[gwynned]

For all us hoax believers, we think MJ saw it as the only way to ever go down with his pride and genius. Plus, and this is important, MJ wants to affect certain people on earth with his passing. How can he do that? Well, already tons of people who did not even like MJ say that they felt a huge presence was gone from earth ever since June 25th. And all of a sudden they started investigating into this whole thing and feel something is wrong. In all this they also rediscover Michael and his music, and feel that his impact is more intense now than before.


I confess to being one of those people whose appreciation for MJ came about after his 'death.' I'm convinced it was a hoax, and a brilliant one at that. For anyone interested in taking the time to review the evidence, here are a couple of really great websites.

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67
http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV#p/a/u/1/IXw9PH71M_0
http://www.youtube.com/user/spungoo#p/u/0/Si1kNpapSkU

And here's a new music video that speaks for itself.
http://www.youtube.com/user/BigDB2B#p/u/3/qR8Vc2cOOnk

As MJ said, "I PROMISE you. The best is yet to come." And so, I've become a believer.

[el jefe]

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67#p/u/14/JqNsyv5Vhs8


"What DID happen to Michael Jackson part 13"
This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions.


Why is part 13 not available? All the others work...

[el jefe]

O! Guys! Did you this video about song "This is it"?
Very strange!
http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67#p/u/14/JqNsyv5Vhs8 (part 13)

it worked 2 days ago....

[gwynned]

it worked 2 days ago....


Well, it ain't working now! I posted a channel comment on Luna's site. We'll see what she/he says, if anything.

[el jefe]

Ive never seen this on youtube:

This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions

[gwynned]

Ive never seen this on youtube:

This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions


Hmmm... that IS curious. Also, did you see the picture on part 13. It looks for all the world like a Jesus figure with a blazing heart and a rainbow in the background. I'm not convinced any of the uploads on these websites are done by the people who presumably own the website. I say this because on one website there was a Part 1 and a notation that one needed to see Part 2. When I asked the owner where part 2 was, she said 'They only sent me Part 1." So who are 'they'? Also, on Jonell's site, she mentions that she's excited about a meeting with Dr. Murray next week (now this week.) It just gets curiouser and curiouser.

[timmy]

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67#p/u/14/JqNsyv5Vhs8
Why is part 13 not available? All the others work...
It's availaibe to me :)
This woman -Luna67-did very good job. She did her investigation just to find
answers to the questions.
Very interesting. :)

[timmy]

Hmmm... that IS curious. Also, did you see the picture on part 13. It looks for all the world like a Jesus figure with a blazing heart and a rainbow in the background. I'm not convinced any of the uploads on these websites are done by the people who presumably own the website. I say this because on one website there was a Part 1 and a notation that one needed to see Part 2. When I asked the owner where part 2 was, she said 'They only sent me Part 1." So who are 'they'? Also, on Jonell's site, she mentions that she's excited about a meeting with Dr. Murray next week (now this week.) It just gets curiouser and curiouser.


Check this out (about this song she spoke):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7-e6Yhu5SU

And here the actual song from 90-s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYhYcCeZQKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24vFX5Zn3b0

[timmy]

http://top40.about.com/b/2009/10/13/michael-jackson-and-paul-anka-this-is-it-single-controversy-ends-amicably.htm

[gaias child]

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67#p/u/14/JqNsyv5Vhs8





Why is part 13 not available? All the others work...

It works for me too, I've heard from those in the US they can't view but those in UK and Canada have been able too.

If you are in the US and you can't view it because they are censoring it more

[michael_mac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8JkB-OR7H4

Someone is taking a lot of prescription pain-killers, they stop to try and get healthy for a hectic tour- then decide to take the same dose they took but their body now has a lower tolerance - they go into a coma and die!?

[gaias child]

One thing I also find weird is that the michaelajcksonhoaxdeath website was created on June 23rd. After someone found out, they "fixed" the error and now it says June 25th.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5193/june23rd.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/june23rd.jpg/)http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/june23rd.jpg/1/w747.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img4/june23rd.jpg/1/)

Some one posted this on mjjc and the bit i already posted and then someone posted something else to ptove the website had been there on 23rd possibly though with another name, unforutnatly mjjc deleted the thread before I could cut and paste the info. The fan forums are not concerned about finding the truth for Michael. They are just wanting to profit from him as everyone else did.

I really believe mj was murdered and the hoax death is distraction.


A media company also did hoax videos RTL who is owned by Berlalsman those people again who also tried to buy MJ catelogues. They said they did the videos to show how easy it is for people to believe conspiracy theories, but I remember hearing an interview years ago from a person in the M15 saying if they want to discredit a genuine conspiracy from being discovered they plant false ones as a distraction and I believe the hoax death is part of that, sorry guys, I really want to believe MJ is alive too but I just don't.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/31/michael.jackson.hoax/index.html


BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- A hoax video purporting to show Michael Jackson hopping out of a coroner's van alive was produced by a German television station as an experiment, the broadcaster told CNN Monday.


Michael Jackson was found dead on June 25. He had been preparing for a comeback.

It was made to show how easy it is to spread rumors online, said Heike Schultz, a spokeswoman for RTL, the leading private broadcaster in Germany.

[hissil]

Some one posted this on mjjc and the bit i already posted and then someone posted something else to ptove the website had been there on 23rd possibly though with another name, unforutnatly mjjc deleted the thread before I could cut and paste the info. The fan forums are not concerned about finding the truth for Michael. They are just wanting to profit from him as everyone else did.

I really believe mj was murdered and the hoax death is distraction.


A media company also did hoax videos RTL who is owned by Berlalsman those people again who also tried to buy MJ catelogues. They said they did the videos to show how easy it is for people to believe conspiracy theories, but I remember hearing an interview years ago from a person in the M15 saying if they want to discredit a genuine conspiracy from being discovered they plant false ones as a distraction and I believe the hoax death is part of that, sorry guys, I really want to believe MJ is alive too but I just don't.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/31/michael.jackson.hoax/index.html

That sounds quite agreeable, altho I must admit the night i slept after i found out he died i had a dream that i thought he was faking his death. not sure if that means anything

[gaias child]

Someone pointed this out on another forum that
Starting at 2:25 and at 2:41 in this video if you turn up the volume or put the speaker to your head you can hear when Michael says" it's a conspiracy" one of Michael's handlers in the background saying something like "Hold it, hold it" like telling him "Don't even go there!"
Shows how controlled and threatened he was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQwY4ll1Kfc&NR=1

[andiliz]

Someone pointed this out on another forum that
Starting at 2:25 and at 2:41 in this video if you turn up the volume or put the speaker to your head you can hear when Michael says" it's a conspiracy" one of Michael's handlers in the background saying something like "Hold it, hold it" like telling him "Don't even go there!"
Shows how controlled and threatened he was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQwY4ll1Kfc&NR=1

Yes I just saw that. A man in the background goes "hold it, hold it"!!
On another interview of around that time or maybe it was the same interview a woman comes up to Mike and Mike says he is hurting and she says "I will inject you with something". :(
Gaias Child I have sent you a new private message I hope you got it.

[linda28]

Yes I just saw that. A man in the background goes "hold it, hold it"!!
On another interview of around that time or maybe it was the same interview a woman comes up to Mike and Mike says he is hurting and she says "I will inject you with something". :(
Gaias Child I have sent you a new private message I hope you got it.

That's Michael's lawyers going "hold it hold it". He always has them present during interviews, in case of being sued for saying "too much".

No one says "I will inject you with something" - she says "I think Janet wants something"

Conspiracy, what does that mean?! He is talking about Tommy Mottola deliberately avoiding to promote his album. The album INVINCIBLE that is, and not about wanting to take his life. I think MJ took it very hard, the opposition and mocking of him in America. So conspiracy as in, since he didn't want to tour and bring them money, they would make sure he FAILED as an artist in America.

andiliz, Derek Clontz and Cass? Frauds. (like 10000s of them) They don't know Michael. Thisisalsoit? I have no idea. I believe they are political, perhaps banned members from some of the hoaxdeath forums. I can't really believe this is Michael Jackson himself, but anything is possible.

gaiaschild - Forget RTL. German tabloids are so retarded, it doesn't prove anything, or not prove, that MJ has faked his death. The hoaxdeath forums are not full of visible clues, rather very thin evidence that's not really evidence at all. More intuition and hope. So I don't think they were created for misleading anyone.

[gaias child]

That's Michael's lawyers going "hold it hold it". He always has them present during interviews, in case of being sued for saying "too much".

[.

well you could be right but that should be up toMichael to decide, not someone else, to me it shows that he is being controlled.

Conspiracy, what does that mean?! He is talking about Tommy Mottola deliberately avoiding to promote his album. The album INVINCIBLE that is, and not about wanting to take his life. I think MJ took it very hard, the opposition and mocking of him in America. So conspiracy as in, since he didn't want to tour and bring them money, they would make sure he FAILED as an artist in America.


That is obvious, the point still is he is being controlled on what he is allowed to say.

However he spoke to others like Teddy Riley, and Dick Gregory and others I trust, that he feared for his life.

gaiaschild - Forget RTL. German tabloids are so retarded, it doesn't prove anything, or not prove, that MJ has faked his death. The hoaxdeath forums are not full of visible clues, rather very thin evidence that's not really evidence at all. More intuition and hope. So I don't think they were created for misleading anyone

But why do this video at all, what is the point of it, it is very strange and also it is good to be aware that RTL are owned by Bertalsman, who also were part of sony at one point, but not now, they also have tried to buy MJ catelogues since his death They are owned by the Mohn illuminati family.

I got your pm andilitz, I've replied

[j35p3r4d0]

Michael was against drugs.


Few people are against drugs, least of all the rich

you shouldn't speak of media personalities as though you know them, it shows well how you have been influenced to view these people and their messages.

for instance; singing about racism for a profit, wasting money on materialistic crap like nobodies buisness, and generally indulging your own lack of inner fortitude through whimsical and fleeting self-indulgences

you think this man Wouldn't take drugs?

you're looking through rose colored glasses and 30 years of media hype

[gaias child]

Few people are against drugs, least of all the rich

you shouldn't speak of media personalities as though you know them, it shows well how you have been influenced to view these people and their messages.

for instance; singing about racism for a profit, wasting money on materialistic crap like nobodies buisness, and generally indulging your own lack of inner fortitude through whimsical and fleeting self-indulgences

you think this man Wouldn't take drugs?

you're looking through rose colored glasses and 30 years of media hype

You are the one making generalised statements about drugs here, Michael did take pain relief in the 80s although he declined initially after receiving severe second degree burns after the burns accident. I think most of us would with this kind of pain, and if you ever experienced 2nd degree burns, it is agonising, Michael was supporter of holistic medicine and that is well known, people into holistic medicine do not generally become drug addicts.


This is not looking at it through rose tinted spectacles but logically.

You seem to have little understanding of the control artists are under and what happens to very well known people like Michael who have the ability to have an influence over people in a big way like global influence, if they speak out against the system.

It is the same with Princess Diana, Bob Marley, Martin Luther King, President Kennedy, John Lennon, and others. Michael is in this same category.

[j35p3r4d0]

painkillers are usually forwarded into addiction due to them being habituated through necessity.

meaning it's more likely to get addicted if you need to take them for pain.

controlled certainly, by his own lack of freedom, within and without, that's what happens when you're beaten into a profession by your father.

that sort of thing leaves deep scarring, drug use is a common way to escape such things, as is overt romanticism regarding innocence etc.

He DID speak out, but he sure as hell didn't do it for free, did he? and then he spent the money on crap like 100,000 pound vases. The man wasn't healthy, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's as plain as the light of day.

you don't need to be mind-controlled when you're already heavily indoctrinated into a cycle of validation and self-spectacle, and if you dance like a puppet for long enough, you turn into one, whether you were made to or not through any shady mind controll.


having your father beat you into singing so you would be fed has serious consequences to the psychology of the individual. We're not talking about some flawless and shining individual, we're talking about an entertainer with a good voice and a talent for dance that wasn't necessarily deveoped by himself for himself, hence the mans lack of identity, whatwith all the face-chopping and such


he deserved to die, for no external reason, other than that i think the man had been through far too much in his life, and simply diddn't have anywhere to go from there, such is life




why does this have to be a conspiracy just because he was famous? He really isn't that important for anything more than the sale dollars from his continuing exploits and his unique life, good and bad




Seems logical to me, More logical inface than giving excuses for a mans behavior that simply point further toward his realistic situation

[linda28]

I think the lawyers have to say things like "hold it" and such because they have no time to say anything else in case the client continues to talk too much. Here is a clip of Michael being "told" by lawyers on what not to say and say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8_JhGAGZLE

And here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y7QYBa1jgg&feature=related
the lawyer tells him to tear up the papers around 1:20.

So I think the reason he must have them present at all taped, public things is yeah, since the questions he will be getting are so controversial.

[andiliz]

Gaias Child I trust Teddy Riley and Dick Gregory as well.
I have sent you another private message I hope you get it.
What do you make of Al Sharpton?

[el jefe]

It works for me too, I've heard from those in the US they can't view but those in UK and Canada have been able too.

If you are in the US and you can't view it because they are censoring it more

Anything special in part 13 im missing?

[timmy]

Anything special in part 13 im missing?

This part about song "This is it".

Author of these videos says that she expected more from last song.
After her investigation, she understood, what this not new song.

This song was written by Michael together with Paul Anka and this song call "I never heard", recorded, but did not put not in one of the albums (see links in my posts above).

Singer Sa-Fire sung this song in 90-th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62afqMZpCog


She also refers on song of Kenny Loggins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7-e6Yhu5SU

[gaias child]

painkillers are usually forwarded into addiction due to them being habituated through necessity.

meaning it's more likely to get addicted if you need to take them for pain.

controlled certainly, by his own lack of freedom, within and without, that's what happens when you're beaten into a profession by your father.

that sort of thing leaves deep scarring, drug use is a common way to escape such things, as is overt romanticism regarding innocence etc.

He DID speak out, but he sure as hell didn't do it for free, did he? and then he spent the money on crap like 100,000 pound vases. The man wasn't healthy, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's as plain as the light of day.

you don't need to be mind-controlled when you're already heavily indoctrinated into a cycle of validation and self-spectacle, and if you dance like a puppet for long enough, you turn into one, whether you were made to or not through any shady mind controll.


having your father beat you into singing so you would be fed has serious consequences to the psychology of the individual. We're not talking about some flawless and shining individual, we're talking about an entertainer with a good voice and a talent for dance that wasn't necessarily deveoped by himself for himself, hence the mans lack of identity, whatwith all the face-chopping and such


he deserved to die, for no external reason, other than that i think the man had been through far too much in his life, and simply diddn't have anywhere to go from there, such is life




why does this have to be a conspiracy just because he was famous? He really isn't that important for anything more than the sale dollars from his continuing exploits and his unique life, good and bad




Seems logical to me, More logical inface than giving excuses for a mans behavior that simply point further toward his realistic situation



MJ was seperated from his finances anyway from tptb. That was the point of the trial to character assassinate destroy his career and put him into a postion to force him to sell his sony catelogue, whoever has that has power in the music industry. Mj made more billions of dollars for sony than himself. He wanted to get into a postion of control so that he could influence the music industry in a postive wa, he knew he stood a chance of being killed, and maybe he should have just sold it to them, but his integrity prevented him he knew how evil they are.

He says he had in an addiction to demeroal in 1992 but got off it, but there was none in his body according to affidavit, so he was not addicted to it, the reason why his head was bald is because they shaved it when they killed him as they knew that this would prove he was no addict as drugs remain in hair, but it went wrong as family had private autopsy and they discovered through this he was no addict too hence the homicide charge.


To me this illustrates that MJ was not a drug "cure all" addict.

Working Links (for now at least)

Michael Jackson's Healing Tape to Mr. Morita
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9P9T...ayer_embedded#



Starts @ 1:00 Where MJ talks about (Gavin Arvisos cancer)medicine but he was talking about the medical profession "doctors."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YNHO...eature=related

Medicine don't know it all, do they?" ~ MJ


"My health is perfect, actually. I'm a great believer in holistic natural foods and eating and herbs and things, you know, God's medicine, instead of Western chemicals...."~ MJ

And to think, this guy would rely so heavily on PROPOFOL, of all medicines...and propofol doesn't help you sleep, it knocks you out and you feel drained after. So the man didn't even trust medicine, but he did trust propofol........ an anaethestic

how stupid do they think we are???
__________________
"Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons." MJ

[gaias child]

Gaias Child I trust Teddy Riley and Dick Gregory as well.
I have sent you another private message I hope you get it.
What do you make of Al Sharpton?

Al Sharpton, his speech at the memorial was great wasn't it. "there was nothing strange about your daddy, it is strangewhat your daddy had to deal with, but he dealt with it"



He is a 33rd degree freemason which gave me red flags however.

List of 33rd degree freemasons

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/33rd.htm

[andiliz]

MJ was seperated from his finances anyway from tptb. That was the point of the trial to character assassinate destroy his career and put him into a postion to force him to sell his sony catelogue, whoever has that has power in the music industry. Mj made more billions of dollars for sony than himself. He wanted to get into a postion of control so that he could influence the music industry in a postive wa, he knew he stood a chance of being killed, and maybe he should have just sold it to them, but his integrity prevented him he knew how evil they are.

He says he had in an addiction to demeroal in 1992 but got off it, but there was none in his body according to affidavit, so he was not addicted to it, the reason why his head was bald is because they shaved it when they killed him as they knew that this would prove he was no addict as drugs remain in hair, but it went wrong as family had private autopsy and they discovered through this he was no addict too hence the homicide charge.


To me this illustrates that MJ was not a drug "cure all" addict.

Working Links (for now at least)

Michael Jackson's Healing Tape to Mr. Morita
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9P9T...ayer_embedded#



Starts @ 1:00 Where MJ talks about (Gavin Arvisos cancer)medicine but he was talking about the medical profession "doctors."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YNHO...eature=related

Medicine don't know it all, do they?" ~ MJ


"My health is perfect, actually. I'm a great believer in holistic natural foods and eating and herbs and things, you know, God's medicine, instead of Western chemicals...."~ MJ

And to think, this guy would rely so heavily on PROPOFOL, of all medicines...and propofol doesn't help you sleep, it knocks you out and you feel drained after. So the man didn't even trust medicine, but he did trust propofol........ an anaethestic

how stupid do they think we are???
__________________
"Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons." MJ
Who is affidavit?
"So he (Michael) was not addicted to it, the reason why his head was bald is because they shaved it when they killed him as they knew that this would prove he was no addict as drugs remain in hair, but it went wrong as family had private autopsy and they discovered through this he was no addict too hence the homicide charge."
I did not know they 'shaved his head' where did you find that out??
I heard that Michael had a tattoo on his head was that true?
Do you know why they took his brain out and did they put it back?
You can tell some people take drugs from their brain, skin and blood can't you?
I am not sure either autopsy was totally right was it?
Didn't they get his height and weight wrong?
When they said about he was still producing sperm I think that was wrong I think it was a cover up.

[joe911]

He is a 33rd degree freemason which gave me red flags however.

List of 33rd degree freemasons

www.biblebelievers.org

:D Dont take anything seriously from "biblebeleivers.org" the folks over there are no better than any "elite". They are fundementalists who think their opinion is evidence,just look at any list of supposed masons,do they leave anybody off at all? They pull most of that shit out of their asses,just because someone is famous,doesnt make them a mason, or a "nwo illuminati puppet".

Just isten to what Al Sharpton said at the memorial. Every word of it was true. Nutjobs want you to think everyone is a freemasn just to take you away from their message.

[joe911]

Who is affidavit?
An affidavit is a legal document.


"So he (Michael) was not addicted to it, the reason why his head was bald is because they shaved it when they killed him as they knew that this would prove he was no addict as drugs remain in hair, but it went wrong as family had private autopsy and they discovered through this he was no addict too hence the homicide charge."
I did not know they 'shaved his head' where did you find that out??
I heard that Michael had a tattoo on his head was that true?
He was'nt bald. That was a bullshit story from the sun,released a few days after he died, before the autopsy report was even finished. The real report concluded the only drugs in his body were the ones murray adminstered on the day he died,and yes he had tattos around his eyes and lips.

When they said about he was still producing sperm I think that was wrong I think it was a cover up.
Your evidence for this?

[andiliz]

[QUOTE=joe911;1058466948]An affidavit is a legal document.


He was'nt bald. That was a bullshit story from the sun,released a few days after he died, before the autopsy report was even finished. The real report concluded the only drugs in his body were the ones murray adminstered on the day he died,and yes he had tattos around his eyes and lips.

I know Michael had permanent makeup around his eyes and his lips. But didn't he also have a tattoo on his head?
They said he wasn't totally bald just going bald in the front and that was why he had the tattoo on his head but I don't know if this is true.

[andiliz]

Michael Jackson had tattoos on his lips, 'scalp' and round his eyes, his leaked autopsy revealed.
Permanent pink ink work was found encircling the King of Pop's mouth and "dark colouring stretching across the top of his head" where he was apparently 'balding'.
Black tatts were also where his 'eyebrows' should have been as well as 'under his eyes'. The extraordinary findings by a coroner showed Michael was generally in 'good health' and his "heart strong"! when he died from a 'drug overdose' months ago.
But the detailed report said the 50-year-old's face and neck were covered in 'heavy scarring' - no doubt the legacy of his many 'plastic surgery ops'.
He had a '2cm mark' behind his left ear and another behind his right. A 'scar' was found beside his nostrils and a 10cm one on his right shoulder. Two more 'marks' about 7.5cm long were at the 'base of his neck' and smaller ones on his 'arms' and 'wrist'!
He also had 'scar tissue' by his navel and to the right of his abdomen!
Ravaging his once good looks further, 'skin pigment loss' was on his face, arms and chest. That must be 'vitiligo'?
Dr Zeev Kain, of the University of California, said: "His overall health was fine. The results are within normal limits." The report found the singer's "organs were generally strong", though his lungs were inflamed and had "reduced capacity".
A number of his ribs had been broken from the desperate efforts to revive him before he died.
Underlining his problem with prescription drugs?, his arms were covered with 'puncture wounds'? Further 'unusual needle pricks'? were found on the star's knees and ankles.
Michael was also suffering from "arthritis" in his spine and some fingers.
He weighed 9 stone 7lbs when he died - acceptable for his 5ft 9in height? Wasn't he 5ft 11in?
Doctors found the 'anaesthetic' Propofol, four 'sedatives', the 'local anesthetic'/painkiller "Lidocaine" (a local anesthetic) and the 'stimulant' "ephedrine" in his system.
Experts were surprised to discover 'four sedatives'! - known as 'benzodiazepines' - present with Propofol. Anaesthetists sometimes mix one "benzo" with Propofol to help put a patient under.
But one senior doctor said using 'three' significantly increases the danger for the patient!
There were no pills in his stomach, nor were there any 'illegal drugs' or 'alcohol' detected.
Michael, who had been due to perform 50 shows at the O2 arena, died at his rented mansion in Los Angeles in June. He passed away from the potent Propofol his personal doctor Conrad Murray gave him to sleep, according to court records.
The 'full autopsy report' has not yet been officially released by the LA Coroner's office.
But they announced a while ago Michael Jackson's death was a 'homicide', primarily caused by "acute Propofol intoxication".
It doesn't say anything about him still producing sperm here. I have never been sure about his fertility.

[gaias child]

:D Dont take anything seriously from "biblebeleivers.org" the folks over there are no better than any "elite". They are fundementalists who think their opinion is evidence,just look at any list of supposed masons,do they leave anybody off at all? They pull most of that shit out of their asses,just because someone is famous,doesnt make them a mason, or a "nwo illuminati puppet".

Just isten to what Al Sharpton said at the memorial. Every word of it was true. Nutjobs want you to think everyone is a freemasn just to take you away from their message.


Thanks for drawing this to my attention. I do not know who biblebelievers are and you may be quite correct, however it does not mean the list that they carry of 33rd degree freemasons is not correct, I've seen that list in many other places, it was just the first link I found.



Here is another link

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/prince_hall/famous.html

There is a lot of disinfo on the net, and it can be tricky to sort out fact from fiction. . There is certainly a lot of disinfo going on to distract. I will take what you say seriously, and look into it further. Maybe all these links are wrong

I already said Rev Sharpton did a brilliant speech.

Are you aware of how the illuminati work. with deception. The way they work also needs to be taken into consideration

I.E like David Mayer de Rothschild being a naturopath,yet reuters asspciated press which they own, attacks alternative medicine more than any other media source. This is how these people work.!!!

[gwynned]

Michael Jackson had tattoos on his lips, 'scalp' and round his eyes, his leaked autopsy revealed.
Permanent pink ink work was found encircling the King of Pop's mouth and "dark colouring stretching across the top of his head" where he was apparently 'balding'.
Black tatts were also where his 'eyebrows' should have been as well as 'under his eyes'. The extraordinary findings by a coroner showed Michael was generally in 'good health' and his "heart strong"! when he died from a 'drug overdose' months ago.
But the detailed report said the 50-year-old's face and neck were covered in 'heavy scarring' - no doubt the legacy of his many 'plastic surgery ops'.
He had a '2cm mark' behind his left ear and another behind his right. A 'scar' was found beside his nostrils and a 10cm one on his right shoulder. Two more 'marks' about 7.5cm long were at the 'base of his neck' and smaller ones on his 'arms' and 'wrist'!
He also had 'scar tissue' by his navel and to the right of his abdomen!
Ravaging his once good looks further, 'skin pigment loss' was on his face, arms and chest. That must be 'vitiligo'?
Dr Zeev Kain, of the University of California, said: "His overall health was fine. The results are within normal limits." The report found the singer's "organs were generally strong", though his lungs were inflamed and had "reduced capacity".
A number of his ribs had been broken from the desperate efforts to revive him before he died.
Underlining his problem with prescription drugs?, his arms were covered with 'puncture wounds'? Further 'unusual needle pricks'? were found on the star's knees and ankles.
Michael was also suffering from "arthritis" in his spine and some fingers.
He weighed 9 stone 7lbs when he died - acceptable for his 5ft 9in height? Wasn't he 5ft 11in?
Doctors found the 'anaesthetic' Propofol, four 'sedatives', the 'local anesthetic'/painkiller "Lidocaine" (a local anesthetic) and the 'stimulant' "ephedrine" in his system.
Experts were surprised to discover 'four sedatives'! - known as 'benzodiazepines' - present with Propofol. Anaesthetists sometimes mix one "benzo" with Propofol to help put a patient under.
But one senior doctor said using 'three' significantly increases the danger for the patient!
There were no pills in his stomach, nor were there any 'illegal drugs' or 'alcohol' detected.
Michael, who had been due to perform 50 shows at the O2 arena, died at his rented mansion in Los Angeles in June. He passed away from the potent Propofol his personal doctor Conrad Murray gave him to sleep, according to court records.
The 'full autopsy report' has not yet been officially released by the LA Coroner's office.
But they announced a while ago Michael Jackson's death was a 'homicide', primarily caused by "acute Propofol intoxication".
It doesn't say anything about him still producing sperm here. I have never been sure about his fertility.

Okay, so we have a LEAKED autopsy report that details all kinds of things and after almost 6 months no OFFICIAL autopsy report. Are bells not going off here? Of what possible value is a LEAKED autopsy report? Who leaked it and for what purpose? Could it be there's no OFFICIAL autopsy report because there's no dead body?

[gaias child]

An excellent document that a Michael Jackson fan has put together demonstrating the illuminati links with Sony and more

http://michaeljackson.ae/truth/SONY-thru-the-years.pdf

[joe911]

Former Sony Exec: “I really think he got blackmailed in that whole scandal thing. I think at some point the truth will come out.”

Two former Sony executives, Cory Rooney and Chris Apostle, in this extended interview, talk about Michael and echo what millions of us think and feel about how badly and unfairly Michael was treated by the media, by Hollywood and the music industry and how his incredible musical genius and extensive humanitarian work went unrecognized and unappreciated in favor of scandal. And, these two guys echo what millions of us also know – that Michael was innocent of the allegations brought against him, which is why he was acquitted on all charges. The media, the industry, and Hollywood however, continued to treat him as guilty, even though they would come out in support of others who actually committed crimes. Their hypocrisy is astounding to us too, Cory and Chris! I will warn that this is a difficult but important interview to read.

The thing that I’m so brutally offended about and it’s only a rumor, but it’s something I really believe, but I really think he got blackmailed in that whole scandal thing. I think at some point the truth will come out. This man gave people millions and millions of dollars to philanthropic stuff. Never comes out what he did. I think his reactions were natural and I’m sure he was getting pushed. If you look at the quality of his work Chris, go back to Off The Wall, which is my favorite Michael Jackson record. But every single record, I don’t care if you go to Dangerous, any single one, these records are perfect, blue book standard records, nothing but hits.

Cory and I sat in an office at Sony once and watched a concert, a live DVD. A colleague of ours Ron Grant called us in and said, ‘You guys want to watch something?’ And we’re figuring alright, middle of day, we’ll watch something for five to ten minutes. It was unedited, two and a half hours from a stadium at Brazil. He never stopped working for two and a half hours. The point that I would love to make about him is that he’s not getting enough play for what he has contributed to the world musically. He’s probably, arguably the greatest musician we’ll ever see in our lifetime. You’ll never see anything like this again. That has to be discussed and mentioned.”

CY: How will the music industry be affected going forward now?

CR: “I don’t really think the music industry has taken a deep enough look at what Michael Jackson meant to everybody, all of us artists, producers, actors, actresses, all of us, entertainment as a whole. I don’t think that they took a deep enough look because everyone is too busy with their head up their own butt. When Michael was on trial, nobody…nobody stopped to go and support him at the trial.”

CA: “Yup.”

The guy is acquitted on ten counts of child molestation. No one said, ‘Sorry Michael.’ No one said, ‘Michael, we knew you were innocent.’ No one did a BET tribute to him then. Nobody played his music and did a marathon then. Nobody rallied up and did a concert. Why should Michael have to go on tour to raise money? How come all of the artists didn’t band together and say, ‘Hey! You know what? Let’s do a tour like Michael did the We Are The World Tour and let’s raise some money. Let’s get this thing going.’ No one did that. Tookie Williams is the founder of the crips gang. You know the crips and the bloods?”

CY: Yes.

CR: “They were trying to get him pardoned from the death penalty and half of Hollywood showed up for this man. What I can’t understand is like, ok people didn’t want to go near Michael Jackson when he was in trouble.”

CY: But they show up for a murder.

CR: “But they show up for a guy who executed families. A little girl begged for her life and he executed her. They said because he wrote in his time in prison he wrote children’s books that he tried to turn his life around. He was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. Well, how about the millions of children Michael Jackson has helped over the span of his career? Yet two children come with some false allegations and those two children become the two children that destroy him. It’s crazy. It makes me look at the entertainment business and just say I’m surrounded by a bunch of hypocrites.

When you ask me how would it affect them? I don’t even think they realize what this is. Everyone’s gonna do their tributes, but the tributes now if you look at it, it’s all because now everyone is going to get some spotlight, they’re gonna get some shine. Now all of the sudden everyone wants to say something good about him.”

CY: Everyone wants to be relevant.

CR: “Everyone wants to be relevant and that sucks to me.”

CY: After ‘93, should he have known better going on the Martin Bashir Documentary Living with Michael Jackson and saying it’s ok to share your bed with a child? Don’t you think most people are going to say in some senses well, he kind of set himself up for that?

CR: “Let me explain to you what was said to me directly from Michael. Michael and I spoke about that. He said, ‘Cory, when I was a kid, I was denied not only a childhood but I was denied love. When I reached out to hug my father, he didn’t hug me back. When I was scared on an airplane, he didn’t put his arm around me and say Michael, don’t worry. It’s going to be ok. When I was scared to go on stage, he said, ‘Get your ass on this stage.’ Not just him, but every other adult around him.

So he said to me ‘Cory, I will never deny a child love and if it means that I have to be crucified or put in jail for it, then that’s just what they’re gonna have to do.’ When it was time for him to stand trial, the first time he went through it, his advisors told him, ‘Michael, this is not good. Pay this kid off and let’s keep moving.’ Second time he said, ‘You know what? All that did was make me look guilty like I was hiding something. So this time there won’t be any payoffs. I’m going to fight this in court. You’ll see. I’ll be innocent.’

Right to the day when they finally had to read the verdict and the verdict was in, I talked to his family cause I remember watching on the news that Michael had 45 minutes to get there. So I spoke to some of his family members that were in the house with Michael. I said, ‘Well, what the hell is he doing?’ He’s upstairs getting dressed. He came downstairs. He said a prayer with his family and he told everyone, ‘I want you guys not to worry about me because I will be ok.’

And he rode there, he had maybe a little nervous energy patting his feet, singing in the car and everything and he rode with his brother and his sister. But he wasn’t worried. I’ll tell you something, I would’ve been a mess. I don’t even know if I could have stood up in court like that.”

CY: Chris, any thoughts on any of this?

CA: “When I watched the Bashir thing last night, I just wanted to see what it was all about and reflect on it. When Martin asked him about the first incident where he paid off these accusers, I found it very ironic and I look unbelievably sincere and honest the way he said, ‘I just decided I wanted it to go away.’ And he made it go away, which by the way again, not the first person to do this in the history of our business. He wanted to make it go away. The second time he fought.

But what Cory was saying going back to his childhood and stuff like that, he was reflecting on the fact that he had acne as a kid, which we all gone through at one phase of our life and how his pap would always sit there and make fun of his acne and his skin condition. You’re talking about a young kid here who never had the chance to grow up and be normal. Kid grew up very differently than a lot of people. Granted he’s Michael Jackson, but there is a lot of reasons why he had certain insecurities. As for his bit with the second thing, I believe a thousand percent, I’ll go to my grave with it that he was innocent completely. He was being blackmailed by that gentleman that wanted to be a screenwriter or write books or do movies, whatever. That was inside information that’s close around enough that I can say it.”

CR: “The Martin Bashir thing, I don’t think people remember that a week later or maybe a few weeks later, Michael himself re-aired his own version of that show.”

CY: And he had the whole thing because he was smart enough to video camera.

CR: “He was smart enough to video camera it and it clearly showed that the guy just twisted everything and made it, he turned everything into a false or a lie. They ask Michael a question. Are you gay? And Michael said, ‘I don’t want to answer that question.’ Now that was the one that he said. So it quickly edited to Bashir going, ‘Obviously he didn’t want to answer for obvious reasons.’

So then when Michael showed his version, he said, ‘Are you gay?’ Michael said, ‘I don’t want to answer that question.’ Then he said, ‘But if you turn your camera off, I will answer your question.’ Then the guy said ok, turn the camera off. Then Michael said, ‘No. Absolutely not. I am not gay, but I have millions of gay fans and if they believe I’m gay, then let them believe I’m gay.’ He said, ‘I don’t care. I don’t want to offend anybody.’ You know?”

CA: “I gotta say something here, I can’t believe at this point that these are even issues that are being discussed.”

CR: “Yeah. I mean this is crazy.”

CA: “Anything about what this man contributed to the world and I have a very good friend that Cory doesn’t know that we know that was working on this tour with him, someone that worked with Cory with another diva in our lifetime and he said, ‘He was looking better than ever.’ He was struggling cause it was a long hard show, but this was going on. He canceled a couple of shows, fine. This guy had 50 shows lined up.

This was going. They were in Staples Center, full production. You’re talking about a multi multi million dollar show. This was going. This poor kid goes home the night before and says he doesn’t feel well and the next day he’s taken from us. I’ll use a word that Cory used, probably the most devastating thing I’ve ever had to deal with in my life. I feel like my right one has been taken from me. People have to pay a little bit of attention to what he contributed to the world and stop with all the Whacko Jacko stuff.”

CR: “But they won’t because that’s what they like better.”

MUCH more HERE:

http://thesportsinterview.com/mjackson.html

[andiliz]

An excellent document that a Michael Jackson fan has put together demonstrating the illuminati links with Sony and more

http://michaeljackson.ae/truth/SONY-thru-the-years.pdf
I can't get the file open. What does it say?
Gaias Child I sent you another private message on here and also a private email. I hope you got my messages. What you said about Tom Sneddon is very interesting.
On that Freemason list it also says Jesse Jackson is a Freemason.

[gaias child]

I can't get the file open. What does it say?
Gaias Child I sent you another private message on here and also a private email. I hope you got my messages. What you said about Tom Sneddon is very interesting.
On that Freemason list it also says Jesse Jackson is a Freemason.

I got your messages and email did you get mine!

The link may work from this website. I cut and pasted it from here.



Names and motives exposed in Michael Jackson's death. 12/05/2009
SONY thru the years
Let's recap.
If you've seen this video http://www.sprword.com/videos/ringofpower2/
you already know who are the 13 families of The Illuminati and you also know that these
families have been responsable for fomenting wars all over the world thru the ages and
that they've been financing both sides of those wars. And that after they've destroyed
everything, their own companies are doing the rebuilding and provide the goods for those
countries. Therefore making money from every economic angles. The above mentioned
video also shows that The Illuminati employs the mafia to do their dirty work as "they"
sit on boards of charities all over the world. They also own media accross the whole
world. http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main
Enter Sony
The name SONY began to appear at Tokio airport after the flood of post-war II recovery
money, and one of the meanings of those four letters is "STANDARD OIL OF NEW
YORK". That has always been SONY or SOCONY. (The Standard Oil Company of New
York)
THE ROCKEFELLERS had arrived to re-finance Japan.
http://www.prouty.org/letter11.html
Let's skip the Akio Morita pre-invasion erra as he was a good guy like Walt Disney and
Sam Walton of WalMart were great entrepreuners but after their death their bussinesses
were taken over by Illuminati opportunists.
Enter Tommy Motola
http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pu...ichael_jac.php
Interesting article and comments whether true or not.
(excerpt pertaining to Sony/ATV catalogue)
The two men had a falling out after Jackson began to believe that Malnik, who has known Mafia
ties and was once a close associate of Meyer Lansky, was trying to wrangle Jackson's rights to
half the Beatles catalog of songs from him, rights that are worth an estimated half billion dollars.
The source of this information is Gordon Novel, a character of intrigue himself from the
Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and Waco. Novel worked in the Lyndon Johnson
administration and spent years working as an investigator for former U.S. Attorney General
Ramsey Clark. Vanity Fair's Maureen Orth first reported that Novel had met with Jackson in
2005 in an attempt to get the investigator to find proof that Malnik was part of a conspiracy
involving Sony's Tommy Mottola and film director Brett Ratner, a Malnik protoge, to take over
his assets.
"According to Novel, Jackson said he was lured to Malnik's house in Miami Beach by film
director Brett Ratner to see a house so beautiful it would make him catatonic," Orth wrote. "He
said that once he was there, however, Malnik, who Jackson claimed had Mafia ties, wanted to
put his fingers in the singer's business. Jackson also said he received a call from Tommy Mottola
while he was there, which aroused his suspicion..."
I contacted Novel over the weekend, and he confirmed meeting with Jackson at Neverland
Valley during the time of the 2005 trial. He told me that he was originally contacted by Jackson's
brother Jermaine and that Michael and the family wanted Novel to gather proof of the
Malnik/Mottola conspiracy and further find evidence that Mottola was behind the criminal child
molestation charges. The ultimate goal was to blow the trial out of the water so Jackson wouldn't
have to face prison time.
"The whole thing centered on Tommy Mottola setting him up," Novel told me. "Mottola and him
were at odds, and Jackson's information was that Mottola and Malnik got together to fuck him.
He said he believed Malnik was representing the Mob."
It's clear that whether Malnik had any ulterior motives in befriending Jackson, the pop star ended
up believing he was an enemy out to get his Beatles songs. We'll have to wait and see if the
world media continues to eat out of Malnik's hand or if it actually reports the truth about the
relationship and its bitter end.
(Notice how a commenter try to discredit Novel saying he's a conspiracy theorist)
And from http://www.mariahjournal.com/infozon...96/vanityfair/
"Do you know this guy has a Mafia background?" a senior Sony executive quotes the
CBS man as saying. "What are you doing tainting this wonderful company you just
bought from us with a guy who has a background that would make the F.B.I. cringe?"
Rattled, Sony contacted F.B.I. director William Sessions, requesting a quiet background
check. The response was a qualified O.K. "The F.B.I. said, 'No, this guy is not somebody
who will start dealing with people we should worry about, but he has friends who do,'"
says a former senior executive at Sony.
Martin Bandier replaces Mottola
Member of UJA/UJC merged with The Jewish Federations of America
http://www.nmpa.org/aboutnmpa/bandier.asp
NWO agenda as they appoint Leonid Nevlin (wanted for murder in Russia??) as
international chair
http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=203007
(Read more about Marty Bandier below)
Top 100:
Vanity Fair's List of
`The New Establishment'
http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/01.html (very interesting list)
It’s a list of "the world’s most powerful people," 100 of the bankers and media
moguls, publishers and image makers who shape the lives of billions. It’s an
exclusive, insular club, one whose influence stretches around the globe but is
concentrated strategically in the highest corridors of power.
#17. Howard Stringer, chief executive of the Sony
corporation
CFR member http://www.scribd.com/doc/6315580/Cfr-Roster
also Sir Howard Stringer Imperial Society of Knights Bachelor
(Chairman of the Knights' Council)
(I couldn't find anything linking them to Illuminati)
Robert S. Wiesenthal
Can't find much on this guy but he certainly made some well connected mergers.
Robert S. Wiesenthal is Group Executive, Sony Corporation, leading Corporate
Development and Mergers and Acquisitions at Sony headquarters
During his tenure in the Media Group, notable transactions on which he advised included
Seagram’s $5.7 billion acquisition of MCA Inc., Liberty Media’s merger with
TCI, News Corp’s $3.2 billion purchase of New World Communications and Sony
Pictures Entertainment Inc.’s acquisition of Telemundo,
http://www.sony.com/SCA/bios/wiesenthal.shtml
VERY INTERESTING GROUP OF EXECS ISN'T IT?
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/sh...=74308&page=49
Plenty of reasons to believe Sony had a hand into Michael death but unfortunately, no
proof.
(excerpts pertaining to Sony)
MJJC mischief says
Quote:
Originally Posted by myfavouritewintercoat
The same Marty Bandier who once bid for the Beatles catalog when he had a company
called 'Entertainment Co.' check it out on this link about the history of Michael and the catalog
http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=pa...ichael-jackson
[In June 1985, Branca and Jackson learned that Holmes a Court had signed a tentative $50-
million deal with Charles Koppelman and Marty Bandier’s Entertainment Co. Talks
then resumed between the Jackson and Holmes a Court negotiating teams. Jackson raised his
bid to $47.5 million. Holmes a Court accepted Jackson’s bid over the higher $50 million
from Koppleman/Bandier presumably because Jackson’s was more liquid and could be
consummated quicker. Jackson also reportedly threw in a charity concert in Perth, Australia.
An announcement was made in mid-August 1985 that Michael Jackson had acquired the ATV
music publishing catalog with the Beatles songs. Michael Jackson was a happy camper.]
If you believe Randy in that Magic & Madness book then there was more to it than what that
article states. Bandier had actually beaten Michael and was getting the catalogue - his bid had
been accepted...till Branca supposedly skuppered it by getting Bandier's financiers to pull out.
Hence Michael, able to come up with the money quicker, got the catalogue after all.
Now years later up pops Bandier again... as Sony's CEO! If Bandier didn't and still doesn't
harbour an almighty bitter resentment about what happened back then, then the man should be
sainted because any ordinary person would never forget something like that. So, when I found
out who exactly Bandier WAS, my immediate thought was that the feud with Sony was far from
over; it was probably only really about to start.
MJ#1WHOISIT SAYS
in response to originally posted by wendy2004
"What I find interesting about this is he's saying their checkbook is always open regardless, YET
they passed on the Rodgers and Hammerstein catalog that went up for sale. If I'm not mistaken,
Michael was interested in it and Sony/ATV was in the running for it. Turns out, I recently found
out, the winning company or whatever who ended up with the R&H catalog had JOHN
BRANCA as their negotiator.SO, in essence, he was bidding against Sony/ATV (Michael). And
the cat sold for $200 million. Makes me wonder now did Bandier really bid vigorously FOR it at
all if money was no object...or did John bid vigorously for it to make sure Sony/ATV (Michael)
didn't get it? It's just weird how out of ALL the ppl who could have negotiated that catalog it
turned out to be John, the man who got ATV for Michael. One of those funny coincidences?
hmm..."
Not only do I believe JOHN BRANCA was EXTORTING MONEY FROM Michael on this deal
you are talking about, there is a blog somewhere on the internet Ive read (so much overload); but
anyway that JOHN BRANCA and PAUL McCARTNEY where working TOGHETHER to BUY
the BEATLES CATALOG out of HOCK. Paul already knew to not BID because JOHN and
PAUL had a SAY SAY SAY DEAL to use MICHAEL JACKSON's MONEY TO BUY the
CATALOG and MICHAEL wouldnt give it back as soon or as easy as they had planned, Im
CONVINCED now John Branca has been EXTORTING and EMBLEZZLING Michael
Jackson's MONEY for DECADES and this is why Michael FIRED BRANCA and NEVER
HIRED HIM BACK so they had to say that he hired BRANCA back the week before he was
found DEAD, this was one of the first things Katherine Jackson QUESTIONED in their first
COurt Appearance after Michael's Death, John Branca is THE FIXER in the Murder Plot. Its
been John Branca getting Michael in DEBT Trouble as Dick Gregory said "All these Debts are
Crazy Lies".
INDRANEE SAYS
in response to
[At issue are two sets of assets. One is Jackson's master recordings, which Sony is supposed to
turn over to him in seven years, but which he wants in three. (Owning those will mean he no
longer has to split royalties with Sony.) The other is Sony/ATV, the music publishing company
that Jackson co-owns with Sony, which holds the copyrights to several hundred thousand
songs, including the catalogs of the Beatles and such Sony artists as Bob Dylan. (Last week,
Sony/ATV bought Nashville publisher Acuff-Rose, which holds the rights to 55,000 country
songs.) Both Jackson and Sony want to buy out each other's stake in the publishing venture,
the Times says.
The Times quotes two people close to Jackson as saying he plans to sue Sony. ''If you look
ahead to what can happen, it's in the courtroom,'' one of them told the Times. ''Then it gets
interesting.''
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,319537,00.html ]
seven years?!! SEVEN YEARS?!
People, that article was written in 2002. at the end of this year, Michael would have gained full
control to his own catalogue, and possibly would have enough money to buy the rest of the
Beatles catalogue. It's sickening.
WHOISIT SAYS
Thats right see how easy things fall into place when you really have the right information.
Michael would have been totally free probably July 1, 2009, Sharpton, Mottola and their
Lawyers know the date of the contract Johnnie Cochran and Michael Jackson are dead, I bet it
was before December 31, 2009, or better yet Michael probably signed it July 7, 2002 or
whenever that FAKE WILL was supposed to have been signed instead they had Michael's
funeral on his FREEDOM DATE from SONY - The DEVIL.
Check this out, not only did Michael Jackson while still under CONTRACT to SONY end up
dead but all his Assests go to Sony and guess what with the FAKE SELF APPOINTED
EXECUTOR who has always been in bed with SONY over MICHAEL ESTATE this is an all
out PARTY for these Music Industry Moguls, they couldnt deal with Michael he wouldnt give
them nothing so KILL him and take everything. Michael Jackson NEVER had a WILL he PUT
everything in A TRUST and left his Mother Katherine Jackson as Trustee and his Children as
Benficiries, Ive done the research there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE in a WILL and in a TRUST.
There have DisInherited The Jackson Family and his Children and now everything is based on a
TRUST that NO ONE knows what in it but John Branca and whatever he throws in it. How
Perfffffffffffecccccccccccccttttttttttttttt
Originally Posted by LisaB
What is it preventing MJ's estate from gaining full control of the catalogue at the end of the
year still?
Edit: i realized that in 7 yrs MJ would get full control of HIS OWN master recordings, not the
catalogue. So nothing, conceivably, can stop MJ's estate from getting his masters at the end of
7 yrs.
Im sure in the all mighty Mottola Contract that according to Dick Gregory the Contract states in
"DEATH" everything comes back to SONY. Please listen to Dick Gregory talk about how they
got Michael to sign this contract in Part 1 and in Part 3 he talks about how AEG never was going
to have any Concerts in London it was all a setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_-Dhljn2Q
Its time for people to wake and realize all killers aint in the hood and wear hoods, some wear
white button shirts and $5000 dollar suits everyday, let me tell you how far I believe this goes
back and most people overlooked it but some caught it, when Michael was in the heat of his fight
with Tommy Mottola and Sony to get away from them he had I believe correct me until 2010
and he would be a Free Agent and OWN ALL his CATALOGS free and Clear, tell me how did
his Defending Attorney Johnnie Cochran end up dead with Brain Cancer while he was defending
Michael and Michael ends up dead 4 years later himself while still under contract with SONY?
Yes I dont believe Johnnie Cochran just died of Brain Cancer either...
Now that we've established that Sony had a major motive to eliminate Michael
Jackson, let find out more about AEG
.
Although I haven't found anything concrete yet, Philip Anschutz fits the profile of all
major Illuminati players: Clean public image behind inspiring Foundations but having made his
money, dealings with oil, transportation, political affiliations and media.
Just to get you started: Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/03/710.shtml
Philip Anschutz
, who the BBC described as having "a reputation as one of the hungriest of US corporate
vultures",
Much of the original acreage of the Iliff Ranch is now owned by Philip Anschutz(he is the
majority owner of the Union Pacific Railroad and QWEST Communications) and it's now called
EAGLES' NEST RANCH(about 325,000 acres) which has ties to one of the main assets of
Queen Elizabeth,EAGLESTAR.
But locals say the Eagles Nest ranch, which is shrouded in secrecy, is a far cry from the 'working
cattle ranch' Prescott so desperately wanted to visit.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-394740/Down-home-Resignation-
Ranch.html#ixzz0YwSpLrNU
Qwest has also been investigated for financial irregularities. In 2003, he agreed to pay $4.4
million to settle allegations that he profited from falsely inflating the company's share price
read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5150192.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5197572.stm
To be continued...
Illuminati had plenty of reasons to want Michael eliminated.
Although all this AEG/Sony business stinks to high heaven, there's no doubt in my mind that
nothing will ever be proven. It's up to us MJ fans to put together enough information to conteract
any and all efforts to discredit and tarnish Michael Jackson, the man he really was. We must do
this to preserve his Legacy for generations to come. He might be the last Messenger of Peace to
give his life to expose the Truth.
More info here on the tangled web they all weave.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2180337#post2180337

[andiliz]

This is very interesting Gaias Child. I had never heard about Marty Bandier before.
I couldn't believe what you said about Tom Sneddon sending death threats to Michael Jackson fans. Tom Sneddon is a very bad man.
I did get your private messages on here. But I didn't get an email from you. Did you send me an email?

[gaias child]

He supoened some fan forums and tried to get them closed, one person had her life threatened but I am not certain if it was linked to Sneddon, I know some fans helping Michael with Sony were in fear.

[timmy]

Wow, great job, Gaias child!
There so much information!
Thank you very much!

[andiliz]

He supoened some fan forums and tried to get them closed, one person had her life threatened but I am not certain if it was linked to Sneddon, I know some fans helping Michael with Sony were in fear.
Great job Gaias Child. I am glad you are on here.
I found your emails they had been sent to my spam box.

[andiliz]

I got your messages and email did you get mine!

The link may work from this website. I cut and pasted it from here.



Names and motives exposed in Michael Jackson's death. 12/05/2009
SONY thru the years
Let's recap.
If you've seen this video http://www.sprword.com/videos/ringofpower2/
you already know who are the 13 families of The Illuminati and you also know that these
families have been responsable for fomenting wars all over the world thru the ages and
that they've been financing both sides of those wars. And that after they've destroyed
everything, their own companies are doing the rebuilding and provide the goods for those
countries. Therefore making money from every economic angles. The above mentioned
video also shows that The Illuminati employs the mafia to do their dirty work as "they"
sit on boards of charities all over the world. They also own media accross the whole
world. http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main
Enter Sony
The name SONY began to appear at Tokio airport after the flood of post-war II recovery
money, and one of the meanings of those four letters is "STANDARD OIL OF NEW
YORK". That has always been SONY or SOCONY. (The Standard Oil Company of New
York)
THE ROCKEFELLERS had arrived to re-finance Japan.
http://www.prouty.org/letter11.html
Let's skip the Akio Morita pre-invasion erra as he was a good guy like Walt Disney and
Sam Walton of WalMart were great entrepreuners but after their death their bussinesses
were taken over by Illuminati opportunists.
Enter Tommy Motola
http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pu...ichael_jac.php
Interesting article and comments whether true or not.
(excerpt pertaining to Sony/ATV catalogue)
The two men had a falling out after Jackson began to believe that Malnik, who has known Mafia
ties and was once a close associate of Meyer Lansky, was trying to wrangle Jackson's rights to
half the Beatles catalog of songs from him, rights that are worth an estimated half billion dollars.
The source of this information is Gordon Novel, a character of intrigue himself from the
Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and Waco. Novel worked in the Lyndon Johnson
administration and spent years working as an investigator for former U.S. Attorney General
Ramsey Clark. Vanity Fair's Maureen Orth first reported that Novel had met with Jackson in
2005 in an attempt to get the investigator to find proof that Malnik was part of a conspiracy
involving Sony's Tommy Mottola and film director Brett Ratner, a Malnik protoge, to take over
his assets.
"According to Novel, Jackson said he was lured to Malnik's house in Miami Beach by film
director Brett Ratner to see a house so beautiful it would make him catatonic," Orth wrote. "He
said that once he was there, however, Malnik, who Jackson claimed had Mafia ties, wanted to
put his fingers in the singer's business. Jackson also said he received a call from Tommy Mottola
while he was there, which aroused his suspicion..."
I contacted Novel over the weekend, and he confirmed meeting with Jackson at Neverland
Valley during the time of the 2005 trial. He told me that he was originally contacted by Jackson's
brother Jermaine and that Michael and the family wanted Novel to gather proof of the
Malnik/Mottola conspiracy and further find evidence that Mottola was behind the criminal child
molestation charges. The ultimate goal was to blow the trial out of the water so Jackson wouldn't
have to face prison time.
"The whole thing centered on Tommy Mottola setting him up," Novel told me. "Mottola and him
were at odds, and Jackson's information was that Mottola and Malnik got together to fuck him.
He said he believed Malnik was representing the Mob."
It's clear that whether Malnik had any ulterior motives in befriending Jackson, the pop star ended
up believing he was an enemy out to get his Beatles songs. We'll have to wait and see if the
world media continues to eat out of Malnik's hand or if it actually reports the truth about the
relationship and its bitter end.
(Notice how a commenter try to discredit Novel saying he's a conspiracy theorist)
And from http://www.mariahjournal.com/infozon...96/vanityfair/
"Do you know this guy has a Mafia background?" a senior Sony executive quotes the
CBS man as saying. "What are you doing tainting this wonderful company you just
bought from us with a guy who has a background that would make the F.B.I. cringe?"
Rattled, Sony contacted F.B.I. director William Sessions, requesting a quiet background
check. The response was a qualified O.K. "The F.B.I. said, 'No, this guy is not somebody
who will start dealing with people we should worry about, but he has friends who do,'"
says a former senior executive at Sony.
Martin Bandier replaces Mottola
Member of UJA/UJC merged with The Jewish Federations of America
http://www.nmpa.org/aboutnmpa/bandier.asp
NWO agenda as they appoint Leonid Nevlin (wanted for murder in Russia??) as
international chair
http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=203007
(Read more about Marty Bandier below)
Top 100:
Vanity Fair's List of
`The New Establishment'
http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/01.html (very interesting list)
It’s a list of "the world’s most powerful people," 100 of the bankers and media
moguls, publishers and image makers who shape the lives of billions. It’s an
exclusive, insular club, one whose influence stretches around the globe but is
concentrated strategically in the highest corridors of power.
#17. Howard Stringer, chief executive of the Sony
corporation
CFR member http://www.scribd.com/doc/6315580/Cfr-Roster
also Sir Howard Stringer Imperial Society of Knights Bachelor
(Chairman of the Knights' Council)
(I couldn't find anything linking them to Illuminati)
Robert S. Wiesenthal
Can't find much on this guy but he certainly made some well connected mergers.
Robert S. Wiesenthal is Group Executive, Sony Corporation, leading Corporate
Development and Mergers and Acquisitions at Sony headquarters
During his tenure in the Media Group, notable transactions on which he advised included
Seagram’s $5.7 billion acquisition of MCA Inc., Liberty Media’s merger with
TCI, News Corp’s $3.2 billion purchase of New World Communications and Sony
Pictures Entertainment Inc.’s acquisition of Telemundo,
http://www.sony.com/SCA/bios/wiesenthal.shtml
VERY INTERESTING GROUP OF EXECS ISN'T IT?
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/sh...=74308&page=49
Plenty of reasons to believe Sony had a hand into Michael death but unfortunately, no
proof.
(excerpts pertaining to Sony)
MJJC mischief says
Quote:
Originally Posted by myfavouritewintercoat
The same Marty Bandier who once bid for the Beatles catalog when he had a company
called 'Entertainment Co.' check it out on this link about the history of Michael and the catalog
http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=pa...ichael-jackson
[In June 1985, Branca and Jackson learned that Holmes a Court had signed a tentative $50-
million deal with Charles Koppelman and Marty Bandier’s Entertainment Co. Talks
then resumed between the Jackson and Holmes a Court negotiating teams. Jackson raised his
bid to $47.5 million. Holmes a Court accepted Jackson’s bid over the higher $50 million
from Koppleman/Bandier presumably because Jackson’s was more liquid and could be
consummated quicker. Jackson also reportedly threw in a charity concert in Perth, Australia.
An announcement was made in mid-August 1985 that Michael Jackson had acquired the ATV
music publishing catalog with the Beatles songs. Michael Jackson was a happy camper.]
If you believe Randy in that Magic & Madness book then there was more to it than what that
article states. Bandier had actually beaten Michael and was getting the catalogue - his bid had
been accepted...till Branca supposedly skuppered it by getting Bandier's financiers to pull out.
Hence Michael, able to come up with the money quicker, got the catalogue after all.
Now years later up pops Bandier again... as Sony's CEO! If Bandier didn't and still doesn't
harbour an almighty bitter resentment about what happened back then, then the man should be
sainted because any ordinary person would never forget something like that. So, when I found
out who exactly Bandier WAS, my immediate thought was that the feud with Sony was far from
over; it was probably only really about to start.
MJ#1WHOISIT SAYS
in response to originally posted by wendy2004
"What I find interesting about this is he's saying their checkbook is always open regardless, YET
they passed on the Rodgers and Hammerstein catalog that went up for sale. If I'm not mistaken,
Michael was interested in it and Sony/ATV was in the running for it. Turns out, I recently found
out, the winning company or whatever who ended up with the R&H catalog had JOHN
BRANCA as their negotiator.SO, in essence, he was bidding against Sony/ATV (Michael). And
the cat sold for $200 million. Makes me wonder now did Bandier really bid vigorously FOR it at
all if money was no object...or did John bid vigorously for it to make sure Sony/ATV (Michael)
didn't get it? It's just weird how out of ALL the ppl who could have negotiated that catalog it
turned out to be John, the man who got ATV for Michael. One of those funny coincidences?
hmm..."
Not only do I believe JOHN BRANCA was EXTORTING MONEY FROM Michael on this deal
you are talking about, there is a blog somewhere on the internet Ive read (so much overload); but
anyway that JOHN BRANCA and PAUL McCARTNEY where working TOGHETHER to BUY
the BEATLES CATALOG out of HOCK. Paul already knew to not BID because JOHN and
PAUL had a SAY SAY SAY DEAL to use MICHAEL JACKSON's MONEY TO BUY the
CATALOG and MICHAEL wouldnt give it back as soon or as easy as they had planned, Im
CONVINCED now John Branca has been EXTORTING and EMBLEZZLING Michael
Jackson's MONEY for DECADES and this is why Michael FIRED BRANCA and NEVER
HIRED HIM BACK so they had to say that he hired BRANCA back the week before he was
found DEAD, this was one of the first things Katherine Jackson QUESTIONED in their first
COurt Appearance after Michael's Death, John Branca is THE FIXER in the Murder Plot. Its
been John Branca getting Michael in DEBT Trouble as Dick Gregory said "All these Debts are
Crazy Lies".
INDRANEE SAYS
in response to
[At issue are two sets of assets. One is Jackson's master recordings, which Sony is supposed to
turn over to him in seven years, but which he wants in three. (Owning those will mean he no
longer has to split royalties with Sony.) The other is Sony/ATV, the music publishing company
that Jackson co-owns with Sony, which holds the copyrights to several hundred thousand
songs, including the catalogs of the Beatles and such Sony artists as Bob Dylan. (Last week,
Sony/ATV bought Nashville publisher Acuff-Rose, which holds the rights to 55,000 country
songs.) Both Jackson and Sony want to buy out each other's stake in the publishing venture,
the Times says.
The Times quotes two people close to Jackson as saying he plans to sue Sony. ''If you look
ahead to what can happen, it's in the courtroom,'' one of them told the Times. ''Then it gets
interesting.''
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,319537,00.html ]
seven years?!! SEVEN YEARS?!
People, that article was written in 2002. at the end of this year, Michael would have gained full
control to his own catalogue, and possibly would have enough money to buy the rest of the
Beatles catalogue. It's sickening.
WHOISIT SAYS
Thats right see how easy things fall into place when you really have the right information.
Michael would have been totally free probably July 1, 2009, Sharpton, Mottola and their
Lawyers know the date of the contract Johnnie Cochran and Michael Jackson are dead, I bet it
was before December 31, 2009, or better yet Michael probably signed it July 7, 2002 or
whenever that FAKE WILL was supposed to have been signed instead they had Michael's
funeral on his FREEDOM DATE from SONY - The DEVIL.
Check this out, not only did Michael Jackson while still under CONTRACT to SONY end up
dead but all his Assests go to Sony and guess what with the FAKE SELF APPOINTED
EXECUTOR who has always been in bed with SONY over MICHAEL ESTATE this is an all
out PARTY for these Music Industry Moguls, they couldnt deal with Michael he wouldnt give
them nothing so KILL him and take everything. Michael Jackson NEVER had a WILL he PUT
everything in A TRUST and left his Mother Katherine Jackson as Trustee and his Children as
Benficiries, Ive done the research there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE in a WILL and in a TRUST.
There have DisInherited The Jackson Family and his Children and now everything is based on a
TRUST that NO ONE knows what in it but John Branca and whatever he throws in it. How
Perfffffffffffecccccccccccccttttttttttttttt
Originally Posted by LisaB
What is it preventing MJ's estate from gaining full control of the catalogue at the end of the
year still?
Edit: i realized that in 7 yrs MJ would get full control of HIS OWN master recordings, not the
catalogue. So nothing, conceivably, can stop MJ's estate from getting his masters at the end of
7 yrs.
Im sure in the all mighty Mottola Contract that according to Dick Gregory the Contract states in
"DEATH" everything comes back to SONY. Please listen to Dick Gregory talk about how they
got Michael to sign this contract in Part 1 and in Part 3 he talks about how AEG never was going
to have any Concerts in London it was all a setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_-Dhljn2Q
Its time for people to wake and realize all killers aint in the hood and wear hoods, some wear
white button shirts and $5000 dollar suits everyday, let me tell you how far I believe this goes
back and most people overlooked it but some caught it, when Michael was in the heat of his fight
with Tommy Mottola and Sony to get away from them he had I believe correct me until 2010
and he would be a Free Agent and OWN ALL his CATALOGS free and Clear, tell me how did
his Defending Attorney Johnnie Cochran end up dead with Brain Cancer while he was defending
Michael and Michael ends up dead 4 years later himself while still under contract with SONY?
Yes I dont believe Johnnie Cochran just died of Brain Cancer either...
Now that we've established that Sony had a major motive to eliminate Michael
Jackson, let find out more about AEG
.
Although I haven't found anything concrete yet, Philip Anschutz fits the profile of all
major Illuminati players: Clean public image behind inspiring Foundations but having made his
money, dealings with oil, transportation, political affiliations and media.
Just to get you started: Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/03/710.shtml
Philip Anschutz
, who the BBC described as having "a reputation as one of the hungriest of US corporate
vultures",
Much of the original acreage of the Iliff Ranch is now owned by Philip Anschutz(he is the
majority owner of the Union Pacific Railroad and QWEST Communications) and it's now called
EAGLES' NEST RANCH(about 325,000 acres) which has ties to one of the main assets of
Queen Elizabeth,EAGLESTAR.
But locals say the Eagles Nest ranch, which is shrouded in secrecy, is a far cry from the 'working
cattle ranch' Prescott so desperately wanted to visit.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-394740/Down-home-Resignation-
Ranch.html#ixzz0YwSpLrNU
Qwest has also been investigated for financial irregularities. In 2003, he agreed to pay $4.4
million to settle allegations that he profited from falsely inflating the company's share price
read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5150192.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5197572.stm
To be continued...
Illuminati had plenty of reasons to want Michael eliminated.
Although all this AEG/Sony business stinks to high heaven, there's no doubt in my mind that
nothing will ever be proven. It's up to us MJ fans to put together enough information to conteract
any and all efforts to discredit and tarnish Michael Jackson, the man he really was. We must do
this to preserve his Legacy for generations to come. He might be the last Messenger of Peace to
give his life to expose the Truth.
More info here on the tangled web they all weave.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2180337#post2180337
Great job this is amazing much needed info.
I had never heard about 'Marty Bandier' before.

[gaias child]

Wow, great job, Gaias child!
There so much information!
Thank you very much!

You are welcome Timmy and andilitz. The recent piece on sony thru the years is not mine someone else put that together and it connects it together better than my attempt

[gaias child]

I had never heard about 'Marty Bandier' before.

JOhn Branca who is executor of MJ estate. MJ fired Branca in 2006 as he was also representing sony's interests and not Michaels, but was mysteriously rehired 8 days before his death. John Branca is now representing Marty Bandier.

http://wapedia.mobi/en/John_Branca?t=6.

He also deals with selling music catelogues

[andiliz]

JOhn Branca who is executor of MJ estate. MJ fired Branca in 2006 as he was also representing sony's interests and not Michaels, but was mysteriously rehired 8 days before his death. John Branca is now representing Marty Bandier.

http://wapedia.mobi/en/John_Branca?t=6.

He also deals with selling music catelogues
That is very interesting Frank DiLeo was also mysteriously rehired just before Michael Jackson's death. Frank DiLeo has a hard, gangster look about him I know he has Mafia connections. Frank DiLeo is Italian-American and I think he is also some how Jewish.
I also don't trust John McClain.
Hollywood is run by the Illuminati and the Mafia.

[timmy]

You are welcome Timmy and andilitz. The recent piece on sony thru the years is not mine someone else put that together and it connects it together better than my attempt

Thanks that you found and showed to us.

Guys here the petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/TINIxMJ/petition.html

[gaias child]

That is very interesting Frank DiLeo was also mysteriously rehired just before Michael Jackson's death. Frank DiLeo has a hard, gangster look about him I know he has Mafia connections. Frank DiLeo is Italian-American and I think he is also some how Jewish.
I also don't trust John McClain.
Hollywood is run by the Illuminati and the Mafia.


Agreed Do you have any info on Franks connections to the Mafia, although anyone who works at that level in the music industry is likely to have connections.

I don't know much about John Mc Clain other than he is the other executor on MJ FAKE will and he was also the witness, since when has that been legal. John Branca and JOhn McClain were also producers on this is it movie.


Thanks that you found and showed to us.

Guys here the petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/TINIxMJ/petition.html



Thanks Timmy.

[andiliz]

This Is It.
Th "Isis" It
The middle of this is it is 'Isis'.

[linda28]

This Is It.
Th "Isis" It
The middle of this is it is 'Isis'.

Yeah that's very strange. And another word for Isis is Isothis.

[gaias child]

This Is It.
Th "Isis" It
The middle of this is it is 'Isis'.

That is intresting, MJ was interested in eygptian stuff.

did you see this channelling by Bonnie Vent,she says he was using eyptian symbols to protect himself and to warn us. I'm not sure if she is genuine but many fans do think she is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhvfvH0YoSs&feature=related

[gwynned]

That is intresting, MJ was interested in eygptian stuff.

did you see this channelling by Bonnie Vent,she says he was using eyptian symbols to protect himself and to warn us. I'm not sure if she is genuine but many fans do think she is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhvfvH0YoSs&feature=related

You've finally convinced me he's dead. What more proof do I need than someone channeling him and putting it up on Youtube! Silly me!

I guess we can expect the arrest of Dr. Murray any moment. Please hurry! I'm holding my breath!

[andiliz]

That is intresting, MJ was interested in eygptian stuff.

did you see this channelling by Bonnie Vent,she says he was using eyptian symbols to protect himself and to warn us. I'm not sure if she is genuine but many fans do think she is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhvfvH0YoSs&feature=related

I don't think I can trust what Bonnie Vent or any other psychic says. The ones with websites and who go on You Tube and all that are trying to make a name for themselves it could be a con. Even if it sounds really real.

In the publicity poster for the movie "This Is It" Michael Jackson stands in the pose of the Mason's symbol of 'Isis' while standing under the letters ISIS (ThISISit). His legs are crossed to symbolize 'Jesus', the 'sun', 'Ra', 'Lucifer' and 'Osiris' and 'Horus', all of which are religious and 'Freemason' symbols!

[timmy]

I guess we can expect the arrest of Dr. Murray any moment. Please hurry! I'm holding my breath!

Don't forget sing the petition ;)
http://www.petitiononline.com/TINIxMJ/petition.html

[godgoo]

Did the illuminati kill Michael Jackson

My Magic eight Ball says!

Definitely

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

[gaias child]

I don't think I can trust what Bonnie Vent or any other psychic says. The ones with websites and who go on You Tube and all that are trying to make a name for themselves it could be a con. Even if it sounds really real.

In the publicity poster for the movie "This Is It" Michael Jackson stands in the pose of the Mason's symbol of 'Isis' while standing under the letters ISIS (ThISISit). His legs are crossed to symbolize 'Jesus', the 'sun', 'Ra', 'Lucifer' and 'Osiris' and 'Horus', all of which are religious and 'Freemason' symbols!

I do not necessarily trust it, channeling/energy communication is possible, to me it is just a little more than strong inutition and connection to the energy and vibration of that person and strong 6th sense which has been scientifically proven to exist and I've had experiences myself.

What was interesting to me is the Eyptian symbols she says he was using to protect himself because there was alot of illuminati symbolism in dangerous cover and other covers and had also began to realise that he was using symbols to protect himself, how would she know that? Intuition and research is possible I guess, or someone told her.

He was wearing the number 7 and number 777 on his sleeve as protection, and this is a spiritual number. I think he was also communicating hidden messages in his songs

[andiliz]

I do not necessarily trust it, channeling/energy communication is possible, to me it is just a little more than strong inutition and connection to the energy and vibration of that person and strong 6th sense which has been scientifically proven to exist and I've had experiences myself.

What was interesting to me is the Eyptian symbols she says he was using to protect himself because there was alot of illuminati symbolism in dangerous cover and other covers and had also began to realise that he was using symbols to protect himself, how would she know that? Intuition and research is possible I guess, or someone told her.

He was wearing the number 7 and number 777 on his sleeve as protection, and this is a spiritual number. I think he was also communicating hidden messages in his songs
I know that channeling/energy communication is possible even with people who are still alive. The 6th sense is real.
But medium 'Christian von Lähr' who channeled Michael Jackson worries me because he made Michael Jackson out to be a drug addict. I don't really trust 'Coast to Coast' radio.
Also 'Cherokee Billie' and 'Bonnie Vent' I don't really trust them either.
Bonnie Vent also says she channels Marilyn Monroe.

[linda28]

I know that channeling/energy communication is possible even with people who are still alive. The 6th sense is real.
But medium 'Christian von Lähr' who channeled Michael Jackson worries me because he made Michael Jackson out to be a drug addict. I don't really trust 'Coast to Coast' radio.
Also 'Cherokee Billie' and 'Bonnie Vent' I don't really trust them either.
Bonnie Vent also says she channels Marilyn Monroe.

Funny how Bonnie Vent says during a channeling of MJ that MJ says most channelers are fake, EXCEPT some. In other words herself. Lmao. What a typical thing to do - claim only they know the truth and that this special celebrity will only come to them since they will get the honest truth. BS.

I have not yet seen any psychic or channeler that has said anything we did not already know. MJ loves Egypt and the symbolism. Look at Remember The Time video - it's no secret either.

Neither is it a secret that after MJ's "death" there would probably be many crazy stories.

I think these people are rude for making these videos public. I would never do that. They give people false insight to the truth. Why didn't MJ mention to her the movie THIS IS IT would break records? Because she only says what she already knows.

What I find more odd with MJ is how he always had the sun or moon behind his back in music videos. Or a round lamp. Also the jukebox on "Smooth Criminal" = egyptian or masonic temple. The Paul McCartney freemason sign in "The Girl is Mine" is strange. Also the music video "Say Say Say" (=3) which is full of pyramids, 3's, the brother-sister love interest of Michael and LaToya - just like Isis and Osiris...

[michael_mac]

The Illuminati murdered him? :confused: I thought it was definitely the CIA?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78970

Or are they the same thing? Or was it aliens?

That's it - aliens I reckon! :D

It is possible he just over did it with the pain killers:confused: it is very easy thing to do when you are playing with drugs 100 times more powerful than paracetemol...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrgo_Tiu9JA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiIQbc6quLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGUxoEKpWWI&NR=1

[joe911]

Does anyone have a backup of the 2nd video in that series?
You Don't Know The REAL MJ.
Part 2 has been removed :(

[gwynned]

Funny how Bonnie Vent says during a channeling of MJ that MJ says most channelers are fake, EXCEPT some. In other words herself. Lmao. What a typical thing to do - claim only they know the truth and that this special celebrity will only come to them since they will get the honest truth. BS.

I have not yet seen any psychic or channeler that has said anything we did not already know. MJ loves Egypt and the symbolism. Look at Remember The Time video - it's no secret either.

It's bad enough we are relying on the media for information, now we have 'psychics' speaking for MJ. I repeat. HE IS ALIVE!!!! I challenge anyone to PROVE he's dead. In fact, the hoax is so preposterous that, once it's revealed, people will be kicking themselves for ever believing he is dead. Think about it. There was more than one 911 call released to the media. Never was MJ mentioned by name. The 'doctor' apparently was performing CPR on the bed when anyone knows it should be done on the floor. The 'doctor' didn't call 911 immediately because he didn't know the address he was at! The 'doctor' first appeared on Youtube thanking his supporters in a soft voice. Was it even the doctor or a simulation?

The body MOVED in the helicopter! No official from the medical center announced his death or the cause of it. Jermaine did. Huh? Kenny Ortega tells everyone at the memorial he was with MJ at the Staples Center less than a week ago, but he had 'died' 12 days previous. Did you see the funeral? Did it not look like a Hollywood set. There were no tears!

Michael was a notorious prankster and loved to wear disguises and may well have attended his own funeral! He might even have been Dave Dave on Larry King talking about how it was all his father's fault!

Perhaps his next movie (after This is It!) will show how he pulled it off.

We all know the media lies, so why should we believe them now? Besides, following this hoax story is lots of fun. Here are some of the best sites......Come along. Follow the yellow brick road. It's a great adventure. BeLIEve. As they said in V.....The artist lies to reveal the truth, the politician lies to conceal it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV
http://www.youtube.com/user/PianoGames (this one's really funny!)

Oh, and if you type in thisisalsoit.com, you'll get a different 'clue' every day.

[gaias child]

Does anyone have a backup of the 2nd video in that series?
You Don't Know The REAL MJ.
Part 2 has been removed :(

I wonder why it has been removed, so many vids disappear off youtube. Good videos but Dick Gregory, I did watch all 3 at the time they were put up but didn't back it up, I'll contact Dick to find out if they can put up another

[gaias child]

It has been removed to copyright claim.

Here is another of dick gregory saying MJ was clean of drugs during the trial when he got dehydrated and took him to the hospital and he had tests and had printout which was clear of all drugs, and his heart was fine etc so drugs were clearly planted at neverland during the trials too. MJ was in fear of being poisoned, so did not eat and he lost weight and became dehydrated and that is what I believe most likely happened to MJ. I was told that Ephedreine was in his system which is a chinese herb and also causes insomnia and weight loss. so he may have been given this without his knowledge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HluEtIMI0VY&feature=related

[gaias child]

Does anyone have a backup of the 2nd video in that series?
You Don't Know The REAL MJ.
Part 2 has been removed :(

I wrote to realityspeaksmedia who made the films and they say part 2 can be seen here

www.urgodz.com

[andiliz]

I wrote to realityspeaksmedia who made the films and they say part 2 can be seen here

www.urgodz.com
This year 2009 has been the worst year of my life because my hero Michael Jackson has died!! Does anyone have any more info on Michael Jackson's death before the year is out?
We can't leave it down to the LAPD!!

[linda28]

This year 2009 has been the worst year of my life because my hero Michael Jackson has died!! Does anyone have any more info on Michael Jackson's death before the year is out?
We can't leave it down to the LAPD!!

Michael is alive :)

I wish someone would do a video on yt about how many times his friends and family have said those words. They are always talking in riddles.

I always think to myself, to comfort myself, that since MJ knew people wanted to kill him - the LAST thing he'd do would be to become addicted to pills and let other doctors give him such heavy drugs that could kill him.

I believe the nurse and doctor stories on Larry King are false. They are paid a lot of money to be there and lie, you can even see it on their face and speech. Just think about the contradicting stories, like the nanny Grace - she said Michael was so ill and lost on drugs, while others, his closest family and coworkers, said he never showed signs of drug use, and it would be against everything he stood for.

[meksar]

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=415

[andiliz]

Michael is alive :)

I wish someone would do a video on yt about how many times his friends and family have said those words. They are always talking in riddles.

I always think to myself, to comfort myself, that since MJ knew people wanted to kill him - the LAST thing he'd do would be to become addicted to pills and let other doctors give him such heavy drugs that could kill him.

I believe the nurse and doctor stories on Larry King are false. They are paid a lot of money to be there and lie, you can even see it on their face and speech. Just think about the contradicting stories, like the nanny Grace - she said Michael was so ill and lost on drugs, while others, his closest family and coworkers, said he never showed signs of drug use, and it would be against everything he stood for.
Have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQZoaIobcEc

[gwynned]

Have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQZoaIobcEc

Thank you so much for this!!! I L.O.V.E. you for it. I thought I had seen all the hoax videos, but missed this one. Do you have the youtube site or name?

For anyone that's NOT following this hoax on youtube....well, you're just missing out. It's an amazing journey, and not without its really funny moments.

Here's a site with a couple of VERY interesting downloads....note the comment on the left.

http://www.youtube.com/user/pedleylife1

[gaias child]

Michael is alive :)

I believe the nurse and doctor stories on Larry King are false. They are paid a lot of money to be there and lie, you can even see it on their face and speech. Just think about the contradicting stories, like the nanny Grace - she said Michael was so ill and lost on drugs, while others, his closest family and coworkers, said he never showed signs of drug use, and it would be against everything he stood for.

Well you are right about the lies the media tell but grace did not say Michael was ill and lost on drugs, the media around the Globe have been carrying that story and it is not true, it is just quite simply completely fabricated and shows how easy it is to mind manipulate people into beliveing what they want. This is a comment Grace wrote to one media source about this. BTW why would Grace bother if she was in on MJ hoaxing his death, it does not make sense to me.

http://stupidcelebrities.net/2009/06/28/michael-jacksons-nanny-grace-rwaramba-reveals-all-on-his-drug-use/

The following statement is by Grace Rwaramba:

June 30th, 2009

“Michael Jackson was an exceptional Human Being. He was gifted, deeply compassionate and brought joy to the lives of so many. He loved his family dearly, and above all, his beautiful children.

In addition to being my employer over the past 17 years and entrusting the care of his beloved children to me, he was my dear friend. While our friendship had challenges, as do all friendships, he was loyal to the end. I cherish and honor his memory.

I am shocked, hurt and deeply saddened by recent statements the press has attributed to me, in particular, the outrageous and patently false claim that I “routinely pumped his stomach after he had ingested a dangerous combination of drugs”. I don’t even know how to pump a stomach!! In addition, I have never spoken to the Times Online, the original source of the story that has now been picked up worldwide. The statements attributed to me confirm the worst in human tendencies to sensationalize tragedy and smear reputations for profit.

I convey my heartfelt and deepest condolences to Prince, Paris, Blanket and the entire Jackson family. The pain and sorrow I feel over the loss of Michael pales in comparison to what has been taken from them forever.”

- Grace Rwaramba

[andiliz]

Well you are right about the lies the media tell but grace did not say Michael was ill and lost on drugs, the media around the Globe have been carrying that story and it is not true, it is just quite simply completely fabricated and shows how easy it is to mind manipulate people into beliveing what they want. This is a comment Grace wrote to one media source about this. BTW why would Grace bother if she was in on MJ hoaxing his death, it does not make sense to me.

http://stupidcelebrities.net/2009/06/28/michael-jacksons-nanny-grace-rwaramba-reveals-all-on-his-drug-use/

If Michael Jackson did hoax his death I don't think the Nanny 'Grace Rwaramba' would be in on it. Grace was sacked and was angry and bitter with Michael Jackson (before he died). Karen Faye doesn't like Grace. Grace did do the interview with 'Daphne Barak' see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpIEOVqqtqQ&feature=related
'Daphne Barak' is an Israeli-American interviewer whose subjects have included film and music celebrities, royalty, world leaders, and international personalities. Daphne Barak is often said to be the cousin of Ehud Barak, former Prime Minister of Israel!

[rorry]

What do you know about Michael Jackson-Faction 2 connections ? http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149566 I think it is an interesting "rumor"...

[gwynned]

What do you know about Michael Jackson-Faction 2 connections ? http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149566 I think it is an interesting "rumor"...

VERY interesting. There's a clip somewhere of Prince talking about MJ and he smirked and said he KNOWS a lot and we are in for some big surprises. Also, when Jane Burgermeister broke on to the scene from out of nowhere there was a story that connected MJ to her. Could be nothing, but, if we look at the story of "V," and assume that MJ IS "V" (see his new logo), then we can deduce that he has friends within the government and media who are on his side. Bottom line, if this IS a hoax and he is alive, he has to have friends in high places to pull it off.

[neon]

man listening to michaels music is so powerful now. You can feel everything....

[timmy]

VERY interesting. There's a clip somewhere of Prince talking about MJ and he smirked and said he KNOWS a lot and we are in for some big surprises.

Can you provide link, please!
I can not find :o

[rorry]

Can you provide link, please!
I can not find :o

I saw this vid on Prince.org forum !

[rorry]

Guys,please help me ,I've found this http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009/04/flight-3407-crash-more-swine-flu.html and I wonder what the "Halifax Group"is about?It seems Thomas Barrack has a connection with this group...

[gaias child]

Can you provide link, please!
I can not find :o

I saw it on youtube but it is not there now, the interview where he says there is stuff we don't know was about the trials and was sometime after the trials . The only interview he did where he was asked about MJ death, he did not comment much and he has not talked about MJ death

[gaias child]

Guys,please help me ,I've found this http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009/04/flight-3407-crash-more-swine-flu.html and I wonder what the "Halifax Group"is about?It seems Thomas Barrack has a connection with this group...

I do not know much about Halifax group so I'll try and find out but Tom Barrack is a buddy of JacobRothschild, one of the major illuminati families, Colony Caoital which he owns bought the Savoy hotels with Blackstones who had Jacob Rothschild on board of directors.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-20479625.html

[gaias child]

Guys,please help me ,I've found this http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009/04/flight-3407-crash-more-swine-flu.html and I wonder what the "Halifax Group"is about?It seems Thomas Barrack has a connection with this group...

http://www.thehalifaxgroup.com/content/ourteam/history.cfm

Tom Barrack is a director of the Halifax group and David Dupree is CEO who also is director the Carlye Group a group that has made billions out the war on terror, when you connect the dots you see that these sinister people involved with MJ finances, are part of the illuminati

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3995.htm

[rorry]

@Gaias child,thank you and q.e.d.,what more can be said about...

[gaias child]

If Michael Jackson did hoax his death I don't think the Nanny 'Grace Rwaramba' would be in on it. Grace was sacked and was angry and bitter with Michael Jackson (before he died). Karen Faye doesn't like Grace. Grace did do the interview with 'Daphne Barak' see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpIEOVqqtqQ&feature=related
'Daphne Barak' is an Israeli-American interviewer whose subjects have included film and music celebrities, royalty, world leaders, and international personalities. Daphne Barak is often said to be the cousin of Ehud Barak, former Prime Minister of Israel!


Yes I've seen that bit do you have a link too the full interview, she still does not say in this interview that she pumped his stomach or that he was a drug addict in this interview,and although she may not have been in on MJ hoax death she still is looking after the kids, and I'm sure it would have come out by now, kids of 7 years old like Blanket would not be able to keep a secret like this, it is impossible, anyone who has kids knows this.

[gaias child]

What do you know about Michael Jackson-Faction 2 connections ? http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149566 I think it is an interesting "rumor"...

Very interesting, thanks for posting

[andiliz]

Yes I've seen that bit do you have a link too the full interview, she still does not say in this interview that she pumped his stomach or that he was a drug addict in this interview,and although she may not have been in on MJ hoax death she still is looking after the kids, and I'm sure it would have come out by now, kids of 7 years old like Blanket would not be able to keep a secret like this, it is impossible, anyone who has kids knows this.
I don't believe in the death hoax do you still not believe in it?
I don't have a link to the full interview no sorry.
I don't really trust the Nanny Grace.
Grace is back looking after the kids but would MJ of wanted this?
The kids were kept away from MJ when they gave him drugs. I don't believe Grace pumped his stomach. The kids Prince, Paris and Blanket are said to be 'MK Ultra kids' and so is Omer.
I don't believe MJ was a drug addict but I do believe they could of controlled him with drugs which is a different thing.

[joe911]

I don't believe MJ was a drug addict but I do believe they could of controlled him with drugs which is a different thing.

I highly doubt that. Can you name any drug that allows someone to control someone else? Other than ones that could put someone in a state where they are very suggestible?

Besides in the months leading up to his death,he was rarely seen in public,other than by the fans who would sometimes travel to the Nokia Theater and Staples Center,so [assuming there were drugs for them to control him with] "they" would have no need to have him drugged up. You can see in his performances that he is conscious and energetic.

[gwynned]

You can see in his performances that he is conscious and energetic.

Here's an interview with one of the dancers. He's asked about MJ's health and responds that he could dance as well as the 18 and 20 year olds and could certainly have survived 50 concerts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHhppK9QK0

ps. He also speaks about him in present tense.

[joe911]

Here's an interview with one of the dancers. He's asked about MJ's health and responds that he could dance as well as the 18 and 20 year olds and could certainly have survived 50 concerts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHhppK9QK0

ps. He also speaks about him in present tense.

I totally agree he was healthy and ready to do the concerts. But i disagree he was a drug addict,or was controlled somehow.

The idea floating around in my mind atm kinda flows like this:
The renewal is coming up for the beatles catologue [which includes alot of country music too]
Michael needed the money for it
He agreed to do a tour,i know he signed up to say they could extend them to a maximum of 50,if the initial 10 sold out.

Theres something there,in that last point. Why 50 in London? and why were the dancers contracted for 2 years if the shows would only run for one?

The story goes officially "MJ said he couldn't afford to film the rehearsals,so AEG paid for professional videographers to film it all in HD" [which is absurd 1.Michael COULD afford it and 2.Thousands would have done it for free,to be given that exclusive access to behind the scenes of the greatest show in history,people would jump at the opportunity to volunteer for that.]
I think they did that as a backup,just incase something were to happen to Michael before the shows,they obviously planned for the shows to go ahead,otherwise they wouldn't have already made arrangements for it to be moved to London.
Michael was definitely murdered,Propofol is used to put people in a coma,its not a sleeping drug like the media claim. Somehow the end result was to make money,right? When MJ died his album sales rocketed,they made tonnes from merchandise/articles/interviews and the this is it movie.

[andiliz]

I totally agree he was healthy and ready to do the concerts. But i disagree he was a drug addict,or was controlled somehow.

The idea floating around in my mind atm kinda flows like this:
The renewal is coming up for the beatles catologue [which includes alot of country music too]
Michael needed the money for it
He agreed to do a tour,i know he signed up to say they could extend them to a maximum of 50,if the initial 10 sold out.

Theres something there,in that last point. Why 50 in London? and why were the dancers contracted for 2 years if the shows would only run for one?

The story goes officially "MJ said he couldn't afford to film the rehearsals,so AEG paid for professional videographers to film it all in HD" [which is absurd 1.Michael COULD afford it and 2.Thousands would have done it for free,to be given that exclusive access to behind the scenes of the greatest show in history,people would jump at the opportunity to volunteer for that.]
I think they did that as a backup,just incase something were to happen to Michael before the shows,they obviously planned for the shows to go ahead,otherwise they wouldn't have already made arrangements for it to be moved to London.
Michael was definitely murdered,Propofol is used to put people in a coma,its not a sleeping drug like the media claim. Somehow the end result was to make money,right? When MJ died his album sales rocketed,they made tonnes from merchandise/articles/interviews and the this is it movie.
Your post is really interesting. Do you really believe the shows in London were going to go ahead? I had a feeling they were never going to happen.
Do you know much about 'mind control'? 'MK Ultra'? 'covert hypnotism'? 'brainwashing'? stuff like that?? There is a lot about this in David Icke's books and what drugs they use to control people.
The MJ "Follower fans" said MJ was sometimes "groggy" in a drugged up state. They saw him spend 5 hours in Dr. Arnold Klein's office!!
I think as you do that Michael Jackson was murdered. A lot of people say MJ was worth more dead than alive.
Joe Jackson said body doubles were used in the 'This Is It' film.
I've been hearing a lot of Beatles stuff around at the moment and also Elvis's stuff. Michael Jackson owned the publishing rights to many songs including The Beatles and Elvis Presley.
I think the music industry is racist.

[joe911]

Your post is really interesting. Do you really believe the shows in London were going to go ahead? I had a feeling they were never going to happen.
Do you know much about 'mind control'? 'MK Ultra'? 'covert hypnotism'? 'brainwashing'? stuff like that?? There is a lot about this in David Icke's books and what drugs they use to control people.
The MJ "Follower fans" said MJ was sometimes "groggy" in a drugged up state. They saw him spend 5 hours in Dr. Arnold Klein's office!!
I think as you do that Michael Jackson was murdered. A lot of people say MJ was worth more dead than alive.
Joe Jackson said body doubles were used in the 'This Is It' film.
I've been hearing a lot of Beatles stuff around at the moment and also Elvis's stuff. Michael Jackson owned the publishing rights to many songs including The Beatles and Elvis Presley.
I think the music industry is racist.

I do believe the shows were planned to go ahead,everything was ready to be moved to London,cargo planes and trucks had already been paid for [by AEG]. I think the plan could have been for something to happen once the concerts were underway. The film of "This is it" was very quickly put together,if i remember rightly the first rough cut was put together within 72 hours of MJ dying,this is what studio executives were shown shortly after,and when they released the 2 minute clip "they dont care about us".

I have heard about MK ULTRA and mind control/brainwashing etc... but to be honest i don't believe in any of it. I also know he was very well in the weeks leading up to his death,most of the fans who saw him daily between the Nokia Theater and Staples center said he was fine,a little thin,but healthy and very exited.

Theres alot of info you may be intrested in on here:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=189

[You may have to register to acess it]

[andiliz]

Dr. Arnold Klein, who treated Michael Jackson for decades, had an office employee who just died ... an employee who had a history of 'drug abuse', even while working for Dr. Klein.
Bruce Ayers, who worked for three years as Dr. Klein's research assistant and confidant, was found dead on a sidewalk on December 18 in Los Angeles.
Dr. Klein tells TMZ he fired the 44-year-old Ayers in February, after learning Ayers was allegedly stealing drugs and money from Klein's office.
We're told Dr. Klein stored certain drugs at a pharmacy he used to fill prescriptions for patients. When the drugs would expire, there was a protocol for destroying them. But Klein says Ayers would go to the pharmacy and get expired Demerol for his own use -- and the pharmacy gave it to him. Klein says the pharmacy violated protocol.
We're told Dr. Klein knew Ayers was a drug addict when he hired him but at the time Ayers was on the wagon. Klein says it became painfully obvious at the beginning of 2009 that Ayers' drug problem had resurfaced. Several members of Klein's staff told the Dr. they would quit unless he fired Ayers.
And, we're told, after Ayers was fired, Klein's staff realized 100 Percocet pills were missing.
We've learned Ayers, who met Michael Jackson many times while working for Klein, had a history of abusing pain meds.
When Ayers' body was discovered, authorities found hospital records showing that he had been admitted to three different hospitals since August, in each case for pain issues -- and in each case he was discharged with various meds.
The L.A. County Coroner has deferred Ayers' cause of death, pending toxicology tests.
http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/
From Kleins research page:

Bruce Ayers is the Director of Academic & Clinical Affairs for Minimally Invasive Aesthetics and the Arnold W. Klein Medical Corp. Bruce has an extensive clinical, medical and research background and directs our academic and clinical research programs in addition to providing management and staff oversight. Bruce, who joined the practice in 2005, travels extensively with Dr. Arnold Klein across the United States and around the World teaching the techniques and principals of minimally invasive aesthetics. Additionally, Bruce Ayers and Dr. Arnold Klein work together in the writing and publication of text book chapters and scientific articles on soft tissue augmentation, minimally invasive aesthetics and botulinum toxins, for peer-reviewed publications such as the Journal of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, Aesthetic Surgery, Dermatological Surgery, Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology among others.


Questions/thoughts:
Is Dr. Klein trying to hide again??
Wanting another death connected with him to look like the death to be that of a 'drug addict'?
But Bruce Ayers was much more than that!!
And I think Bruce knew many things.
Did Bruce Ayers know what really happened to Michael Jackson?
Bruce was murdered too?
More burning of a file?
Michael Jackson knew Bruce Ayers but didn't Michael Jackson dislike Bruce Ayers for some reason??

[gwynned]

Dr. Arnold Klein, who treated Michael Jackson for decades, had an office employee who just died ... an employee who had a history of 'drug abuse', even while working for Dr. Klein.
Bruce Ayers, who worked for three years as Dr. Klein's research assistant and confidant, was found dead on a sidewalk on December 18 in Los Angeles.
Dr. Klein tells TMZ he fired the 44-year-old Ayers in February, after learning Ayers was allegedly stealing drugs and money from Klein's office.
We're told Dr. Klein stored certain drugs at a pharmacy he used to fill prescriptions for patients. When the drugs would expire, there was a protocol for destroying them. But Klein says Ayers would go to the pharmacy and get expired Demerol for his own use -- and the pharmacy gave it to him. Klein says the pharmacy violated protocol.
We're told Dr. Klein knew Ayers was a drug addict when he hired him but at the time Ayers was on the wagon. Klein says it became painfully obvious at the beginning of 2009 that Ayers' drug problem had resurfaced. Several members of Klein's staff told the Dr. they would quit unless he fired Ayers.
And, we're told, after Ayers was fired, Klein's staff realized 100 Percocet pills were missing.
We've learned Ayers, who met Michael Jackson many times while working for Klein, had a history of abusing pain meds.
When Ayers' body was discovered, authorities found hospital records showing that he had been admitted to three different hospitals since August, in each case for pain issues -- and in each case he was discharged with various meds.
The L.A. County Coroner has deferred Ayers' cause of death, pending toxicology tests.
http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/
From Kleins research page:

Bruce Ayers is the Director of Academic & Clinical Affairs for Minimally Invasive Aesthetics and the Arnold W. Klein Medical Corp. Bruce has an extensive clinical, medical and research background and directs our academic and clinical research programs in addition to providing management and staff oversight. Bruce, who joined the practice in 2005, travels extensively with Dr. Arnold Klein across the United States and around the World teaching the techniques and principals of minimally invasive aesthetics. Additionally, Bruce Ayers and Dr. Arnold Klein work together in the writing and publication of text book chapters and scientific articles on soft tissue augmentation, minimally invasive aesthetics and botulinum toxins, for peer-reviewed publications such as the Journal of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, Aesthetic Surgery, Dermatological Surgery, Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology among others.


Questions/thoughts:
Dr Klein is trying to hide again??
Wanting another death connected with him to look like the death to be that of a 'drug addict'?
But Bruce Ayers was much more than that!!
And I think Bruce knew many things
Did Bruce Ayers know what really happened to Michael Jackson?
Bruce was murdered too?
More burning of a file?
Didn't Michael Jackson not like Bruce Ayers for some reason??

Blah, blah, blah.....Geeze, people are you blind???????

Will you believe ANYthing they try and shove down your throat, no matter how absurd? This video is only 1& 1/2 minutes, but it will save you hours of time going down the wrong rabbit hole.

http://www.youtube.com/user/MJisALIVE7

[timmy]

I have heard about MK ULTRA and mind control/brainwashing etc... but to be honest i don't believe in any of it.

I did't know about mind control 15 years ago. But after I was a vitness to mind control. Under control was my friend. It was going for me (when she lived with me) 6 months, for her 1 year. At beging I did not reconice her, she was very diferent from the girl I knew. I made everything possible to break that control. And with help another friends we stop what was happenning. Now she lives happy life and when we speak about that, she don't belive that this shit was going with her.

[gaias child]

I didn't believe in Mk ultra Mind control either when I first heard of it as it seemed so far fetched but I've since come across info that proves its existence, and also known of people who were victims.

Truth is stranger than fiction

check these links out for information on proof on existence, and its orgins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSOOK3tocTk






http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8380329.stm

[andiliz]

I do believe the shows were planned to go ahead,everything was ready to be moved to London,cargo planes and trucks had already been paid for [by AEG]. I think the plan could have been for something to happen once the concerts were underway. The film of "This is it" was very quickly put together,if i remember rightly the first rough cut was put together within 72 hours of MJ dying,this is what studio executives were shown shortly after,and when they released the 2 minute clip "they dont care about us".

I have heard about MK ULTRA and mind control/brainwashing etc... but to be honest i don't believe in any of it. I also know he was very well in the weeks leading up to his death,most of the fans who saw him daily between the Nokia Theater and Staples center said he was fine,a little thin,but healthy and very exited.

Theres alot of info you may be intrested in on here:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=189

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This video I hope will change your mind about 'mind control'. This video is in 4 parts called "CIA Mind Control". In part 4 the then 'President Clinton' apologizes for MK Ultra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx-2hFVu5XE&feature=related

[andiliz]

I did't know about mind control 15 years ago. But after I was a witness to mind control. Under control was my friend. It was going for me (when she lived with me) 6 months, for her 1 year. At beging I did not reconice her, she was very diferent from the girl I knew. I made everything possible to break that control. And with help another friends we stop what was happenning. Now she lives happy life and when we speak about that, she don't belive that this shit was going with her.
This is very interesting.
Your friend "don't belive that this shit was going with her". Can she not remember what happened to her?

[gaias child]

Interview here with Prince and he talks about being held back and used by the music industry and about osama ready to bomb pre 2001... strange

watch here at 05:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCQuAm7cPhk

"I've gotta go home y'all...
I've gotta go back to America
I've gotta go get ready for the bomb
*Osama Bin Laden getting ready to bomb*

*America... you better watch out... 2001"*

Prince is REALLY a mysterious guy

he changed his name to Love Symbol "the artist formerly known as Prince" in 1993 because he didn't want to be a *slave*for Warner Bros .. he said the following :


---Quote---
The first step I have taken towards the ultimate goal of emancipation from the chains that bind me to Warner Bros. was to change my name from Prince to the Love Symbol. Prince is the name that my mother gave me at birth. Warner Bros. took the name, trademarked it, and used it as the main marketing tool to promote all of the music that I wrote. The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Bros... I was born Prince and did not want to adopt another conventional name. The only acceptable replacement for my name, and my identity, was the Love Symbol, a symbol with no pronunciation, that is a representation of me and what my music is about. This symbol is present in my work over the years; it is a concept that has evolved from my frustration; it is who I am. It is my name

[timmy]

This is very interesting.
Your friend "don't belive that this shit was going with her". Can she not remember what happened to her?

She remembers, because we talk about. But some memories are vanished, like she does not remember how she stood at the Shopping mall on public phone for 5-6 hours. :eek:

[gaias child]

This is very interesting.
Your friend "don't belive that this shit was going with her". Can she not remember what happened to her?

I thought that was the whole purpose of the mind control thing was to cause trauma in order to develop different altars or different personalities so they do not remember the different personaliites This is how they train assassins too, and why they can't be detected as they do not remember.

People generally do block out memories of severe trauma. They use highly sophisticated techniques beyond our levels of comprehension, they may have some similarities to hypnosis, most people do not remember what they did under hypnosis either

[andiliz]

Interview here with Prince and he talks about being held back and used by the music industry and about osama ready to bomb pre 2001... strange

watch here at 05:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCQuAm7cPhk

"I've gotta go home y'all...
I've gotta go back to America
I've gotta go get ready for the bomb
*Osama Bin Laden getting ready to bomb*

*America... you better watch out... 2001"*

Prince is REALLY a mysterious guy

he changed his name to Love Symbol "the artist formerly known as Prince" in 1993 because he didn't want to be a *slave*for Warner Bros .. he said the following :


---Quote---
The first step I have taken towards the ultimate goal of emancipation from the chains that bind me to Warner Bros. was to change my name from Prince to the Love Symbol. Prince is the name that my mother gave me at birth. Warner Bros. took the name, trademarked it, and used it as the main marketing tool to promote all of the music that I wrote. The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Bros... I was born Prince and did not want to adopt another conventional name. The only acceptable replacement for my name, and my identity, was the Love Symbol, a symbol with no pronunciation, that is a representation of me and what my music is about. This symbol is present in my work over the years; it is a concept that has evolved from my frustration; it is who I am. It is my name
This is very interesting. Other bands like Nirvana have been said to of predicted 9/11 but Prince just came right out and said it amazing!!!!
The thing is was it really "Osama Bin Laden getting ready to bomb" or was it the USA government getting ready to bomb it's own people??
I always wondered why Prince wasn't attacked the way Michael Jackson was. It's clear Prince is an insider. Michael Jackson never was he was more radical, more famous, more loved and spoke of "peace and love" and the break down of family life and owned all those song publishing rights his catalogues.
Some think Prince killed his own baby who died! I am really not sure about Prince. Prince has talent and is sharp and intelligent but what side is he really on?
Michael Jackson was a fan of Prince but I am not sure Prince was a fan of Michael Jackson?
Prince is now strangely part of the "Jehovah's Witnesses" a 'Christian' sect rooted in Freemasonary. Michael Jackson of course grew up in the Jehovah's Witnesses religion.
George Michael said he was a slave to SONY so far he hasn't been killed.

[blah]

Micheal Jackson was definately killed.