Illuminati Killed Michael Jackson

[andiliz]

"Both Satanists and Wiccan witches adore and worship the Pagan god, "Pan", the world's most infamous sex predator. "Pan" is the embodiment of Rock 'N' Roll music!"
I got this from this website: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/pan_and_crowley.htm

I don't know anything about the Pagan god "Pan". Does anyone know if he is connected to the story of "Peter Pan"?

Apparently the extremely creepy "Alan Watenmaker" -- was the person who setup Michael Jackson's estate.


"Alan Watenmaker", the estate planner is acting very evasive when we request trust ID numbers and the fact that Watenmaker's firm did Michael Jackson's will and life insurance policy trust, has us very suspicious of their motives," the lawsuit states.
"Randy Quaid" says his case has a few "striking similarities" to the situation "Michael Jackson" was in before his death.
"Aside from the fact that we both used the same law firm to do our wills and trusts, one of Jackson's music attorneys was "David Braun", Lloyd Braun's father! David Braun resides in Santa Barbara County where Jackson had a series of legal troubles brought on by false accusations before his death.

[gwynned]

"Aside from the fact that we both used the same law firm to do our wills and trusts, one of Jackson's music attorneys was "David Braun", Lloyd Braun's father! David Braun resides in Santa Barbara County where Jackson had a series of legal troubles brought on by false accusations before his death.

This is one of the more quirky coincidences. First off, Lloyd Braun is not a common name and YET, for anyone with only an 8th grade education in Seinfeld, the name Lloyd Braun is infamous as George's nemesis. And he was in at least two episodes. His parents would always compare him to the ever perfect Lloyd Braun who, in the end, had a screw loose or two.

[gwynned]

[For anyone else reading this, please understand it is because I fully support the hoax theory and have deduced that we were meant to find them in order to know that he's not dead. I'm not in any way trying to trivialise death as I've had two people close to me pass away within the last 5 years so i know what death looks like.... and this ain't it].
gwynned,
I'd like to ask you if you have found the hoax clues amusing. I'm sure he meant it that way and at times I felt like I was watching Monty Python .....when they flipped that sheet covered board out of the chopper I was waiting for it to sit bolt upright and exclaim "don't worry, it's only a flesh wound!" If that wasn't enough, the day his Dad blurted out "Ï've got a good statement here" and proceeded to plug his new record company, I laughed so much that I nearly had a convulsion. I thought OMG poor Joe, he's been portrayed as a tyrant for most of Mike's career and now that naughty boy has got his father to say that!! OTT wicked! Well I have had grand parents and great grand parents just like that who would blurt out stuff at the drop of a hat so I know what it's like wishing you had a muzzle to put on em. I'm astounded that people can think his own father would be acting like that if it weren't deliberate.

OMG, I missed this post and YES!!!! I've been laughing alone for so long it's wonderful to have someone to laugh with. And I don't really mean to belittle people's sadness over losing MJ and I wish I could convince them of what I believe to be true and bring them the joy that I've felt from being involved in this hoax for almost 2 years now! It's all pretty funny once you get it. I mean who dies from an overdose of propofol? Who ever even heard of it before? One of the funniest theories I heard is that the 'person' that died was Michael's chimp, which would explain the short casket. I really hope that's true. It should be if its not.

Funny what you said about him being more interesting now that he's dead. I was just thinking today of how disappointed I would be if the comeback was him moonwalking on to the Jay Leno show. I mourned the loss of that Michael....and we still have that Michael forever on film. But that's not the Michael that speaks to my heart now. I like the Michael that goes grocery shopping in a baseball cap and reads to his children. It's Michael the father who has inspired me.

It was my daughter who had the first insight into Michael as a father. Now 20 she was a huge fan in her teens and took crap from kids at school when she defended him. She collected things and even wrote him a long heartfelt letter. Strangely, she never imagined him as her boyfriend, but as her father, and her greatest wish was that I would marry him.

I guess her consolation prize is that I've observed Michael's way with children while viewing so many videos and have incorporated his approach in my dealing with her using gentleness and humor, trying to lead by example. I've told her repeatedly how I believe in her. And so I'm happy to report that my surly say nothing whatever daughter has become my great pal, sharing secrets and boy stories with me, poking fun at me when ever possible and I haven't heard a whatever in days. So thanks, Mike, wherever you are!

[gaias child]

and YES I mean who dies from an overdose of propofol? Who ever even heard of it before?

Propofol is lethal in overdose.

Propofol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


use of the drug is relatively rare due to its potency and the level of monitoring required to take it safely. Propofol has not yet been scheduled by the US Drug Enforcement Administration.[33][34] The steep dose-response curve of the drug makes potential misuse very dangerous without proper monitoring, and at least three deaths from self-administration have been recorded.


However I do not believe MJ was administered just this to kill him, there are other substances that are lethal that leave no traces in the body such as insulin or potassium chloride which is used by assassins.

Potassium Chloride:
Potassium Chloride is known to be among the ingredients in many prescription drugs, such as: Klor-Con, Klor-Con 8, Klor-Con 10, and Klor-Con/25, among others. Potassium Chloride breaks down into both its´ individual components, potassium and chlorine. Both are found in the human body and the presence of either or both of these will not raise suspicion by either the attending physician or the coroner, who will carry out the autopsy.

This compound breaks down into both potassium and chlorine, in which the chlorine (Cl) binds with the human body´s naturally occurring sodium (Na) to create NaCl -- sodium chloride -- common table salt. The resultant heart attack is found to have no known cause -- as all that is found in the body is a slightly elevated level of NaCl. Too much potassium in the body causes tachycardia (fast heart-rate), which then leads to something known as ventricular fibrillation, which is one of many types of cardiac arrest.


Good thread here on how the NWO create heart attacks with untraceable drugs.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message141328/pg1

[hell_no]

This is one of the more quirky coincidences. First off, Lloyd Braun is not a common name and YET, for anyone with only an 8th grade education in Seinfeld, the name Lloyd Braun is infamous as George's nemesis. And he was in at least two episodes. His parents would always compare him to the ever perfect Lloyd Braun who, in the end, had a screw loose or two.

http://agonist.org/node/67641/print

You mean this?

:eek: !!

[gwynned]

http://agonist.org/node/67641/print

You mean this?

:eek: !!

That be the one! And I can still hear George's mother's nails on a chalkboard voice. WHY CAN'T YOU BE MORE LIKE LLOYD BRAUN!

[andiliz]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/31/michael-jackson-propofol-drug-diprivan?INTCMP=SRCH

There are only two other cases recorded of lay people addicted to Propofol. The first was an American man aged 21 who bought it through eBay and took it through a drip, killing himself - an echo there of Jackson, though in this case the man administered himself. The other was a 25-year-old Berliner who obtained it from vets' clinics. He pretended he kept tropical fish and needed to anaesthetise them.

These exceptions apart, Propofol abuse is confined to the medical profession, specifically anaesthetists and nurses working with them who are constantly in the presence of the drug and have easy access to it. Outside the medical world, the plight of these men and women is relatively little known, a secret world open only to their closest family and friends and carers. Interviews with recovering users, self-help groups and the leading experts in Propofol addiction in the US paint a picture of desperate cravings, yearnings for oblivion, escape from childhood abuse and the slow, stuttering road back to recovery. They reveal too a drug that is almost entirely unregulated, kept freely available to medical staff at the behest of drug companies and health providers. Yet it is powerfully addictive and potentially lethal. A tiny excess dose can stop the heart or suppress breathing, and send the user into a coma from which they never come back.

[gaias child]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/31/michael-jackson-propofol-drug-diprivan?INTCMP=SRCH

There are only two other cases recorded of lay people addicted to Propofol. The first was an American man aged 21 who bought it through eBay and took it through a drip, killing himself - an echo there of Jackson, though in this case the man administered himself. The other was a 25-year-old Berliner who obtained it from vets' clinics. He pretended he kept tropical fish and needed to anaesthetise them.

These exceptions apart, Propofol abuse is confined to the medical profession, specifically anaesthetists and nurses working with them who are constantly in the presence of the drug and have easy access to it. Outside the medical world, the plight of these men and women is relatively little known, a secret world open only to their closest family and friends and carers. Interviews with recovering users, self-help groups and the leading experts in Propofol addiction in the US paint a picture of desperate cravings, yearnings for oblivion, escape from childhood abuse and the slow, stuttering road back to recovery. They reveal too a drug that is almost entirely unregulated, kept freely available to medical staff at the behest of drug companies and health providers. Yet it is powerfully addictive and potentially lethal. A tiny excess dose can stop the heart or suppress breathing, and send the user into a coma from which they never come back.

Good find andiliz, good article. Propofol clearly is a killer if used in that way,the reason why it is not used is it is not easy to get hold of unless you are a medical professional. Other substances are much easier to get hold of, such as pentobarbital, which proves MJ did not kill himself

Michael Jackson's death was every bit as strange as his progressively eccentric life. He died in a room that was swelteringly hot as he always felt cold, surrounded by the paraphernalia of addiction - oxygen tanks, an IV drip, empty drug cannisters.

As the details of his final hours have emerged, attention has come to settle on the drug Propofol which he appears to have been given intravenously by his personal doctor in the early hours of June 25, the day he died. Should the imminent toxicology reports confirm Propofol as the primary cause of death, that would place Jackson in a rare category.

There are only two other cases recorded of lay people addicted to Propofol. The first was an American man aged 21 who bought it through eBay and took it through a drip, killing himself - an echo there of Jackson, though in this case the man administered himself. The other was a 25-year-old Berliner who obtained it from vets' clinics. He pretended he kept tropical fish and needed to anaesthetise them.These exceptions apart, Propofol abuse is confined to the medical profession, specifically anaesthetists and nurses working with them who are constantly in the presence of the drug and have easy access to it. Outside the medical world, the plight of these men and women is relatively little known, a secret world open only to their closest family and friends and carers. Interviews with recovering users, self-help groups and the leading experts in Propofol addiction in the US paint a picture of desperate cravings, yearnings for oblivion, escape from childhood abuse and the slow, stuttering road back to recovery. They reveal too a drug that is almost entirely unregulated, kept freely available to medical staff at the behest of drug companies and health providers. Yet it is powerfully addictive and potentially lethal. A tiny excess dose can stop the heart or suppress breathing, and send the user into a coma from which they never come back.

Propofol, or Diprivan as it trades in America, is a white milky substance that was introduced in 1986. Its popularity as an anaesthetic has steadily grown until it is now the most widely used IV drug for putting patients to sleep. Doctors like it because it is quick to act and leaves a minimal hangover.

But it became known early on that it was addictive. In tests, rats and primates became hooked on it. In 1992 the first human dependency was recorded, an anaesthetist in his early thirties who began injecting himself to cope with stress. His secret was uncovered when he was found unconscious one night in the bathroom at work.

In the past few years concern has grown over the dangers. Alarm bells started ringing for Paul Wischmeyer, an anaesthetist from Colorado, when a friend of his from medical school was found at home with a syringe stuck in his arm.

Wischmeyer began making informal inquiries, and was shocked by what he learned. "People would reach into the needle discord boxes full of used syringes and pull out old vials of Propofol, not knowing what patient it had been used on or whether it was spoiled. That's pretty extreme," he said.

In another case, an addict fell asleep at his desk so frequently that his lolling forehead bore a perpetual bruise. As Propofol can only be injected in small doses, giving a high that lasts no more than seven minutes, users have been known to inject more than 100 times a day.

Wischmeyer decided to expand his research into a formal study. In 2006 he contacted 126 main anaesthesia departments across the US. He found that almost one in five of them had experienced Propofol addiction among the staff. Though numbers remained small compared with opiate addiction, he calculated a five-fold increase in Propofol abuse over the past 10 years.

Those findings chimed with the experiences of Paul Earley of the Talbott Recovery Campus, the oldest and largest treatment centre for troubled medical professionals in the US. He saw eight cases of Propofol abuse in 2006, 12 in 2007, leaping to 27 in 2008.

As Earley grew more attuned to the problem, he also began to notice a striking factor shared by many Propofol addicts: sexual or physical abuse in their past. "I started seeing a fair number of our patients who are victims of abuse as children," he said. "When I mentioned that to a colleague he said 'Yeah, I've noticed that in my patients too'."

Omar Manejwala, an expert in addiction treatment at the William Farley Center in Virginia, has observed an alarming rate of post-traumatic stress among his patients. PTSD is not uncommon among addicts, presenting in maybe 30% or even 50% of cases; but with Propofol he sees it in 70% or 80%.

The underlying trauma often relates to childhood, from physical abuse to early exposure to sexual experiences or rape. What draws these people to Propofol, he believes, is that the drug has the ability to induce a sense of oblivion.

"What's shocking is that most Propofol patients are not looking for euphoria or for a high, they just want to go into a coma. They are wanting to disappear."

Thayne Flora, a nurse from Virginia, wanted to do just that. She fell into addiction to opiates when she was working in anaesthesiology and was suffering chronic headaches. She abused sedatives, on or off, for years. Towards the end of her addiction she developed severe insomnia, and was desperately sleep deprived. That's when she turned, much like Michael Jackson, to Propofol.

"I was in such bad shape, I was looking not only to sleep, but to escape. Escape from life."

By then, her addictive self had driven away friends and family, and she was socially isolated. "I just felt so lost, so completely alone. I thought I needed to end my life, and Propofol did that for me. It just allowed me to go away for a while."

Flora was lucky. On 16 March 1993, an intervention was organised for her and she was put into treatment. She is in recovery and has been clean since that day.

Others are not so lucky. The drug is very potent and can kill without constant observation and respiratory help. Astonishingly, medical professionals in anaesthesia know that full well, but still take the risk.

"That boggles the mind, and shows how desperate people are for it," says Earley.

In particular danger are the young doctors just starting out, who are not fully trained. The Colorado study found almost 40% of first-year doctors abusing Propofol ended up dead.Known deaths include a man aged 37 who gave himself a Propofol drip, a 26-year-old nurse who injected a normal dose too quickly, and a woman doctor found dead in a hospital dormitory with the door locked from inside.

Despite the evidence, Propofol remains largely unregulated. It is not a controlled substance, and stocks of the drug do not have to be registered or accounted for.

Art Zwerling, who runs an online forum for about 180 recovering medical addicts, says access is a problem. "It's very easy for someone to walk into a stockroom and walk out with cases of Propofol."

Like many of those involved in treating Propofol addicts, he wants the federal drug agencies to control the substance. The need is all the greater now, he believes, because there's a risk that the media circus surrounding Jackson's death has brought Propofol to the attention of a wider field of abusers.

But all those interviewed for this article also saw Jackson's death, and the publicity surrounding it, as a tragedy that could be put to positive use - to spread the word that a lonely death in a sweltering room is not inevitable. There is another ending.

"Through treatment I've gained my life back," says Thayne Flora. "And it's better than I could ever have imagined."


A study showed 40% of doctors who abused propofol ended up dead, that is how lethal it is!!!

[hell_no]

Well .. I don't know.
I think you can get anything you want as long if you pay for it.
Murray seemed hungry for money and doctors can get any kind of drugs.

And now I read that it's possible to self administer... I'm not saying he did, but if they can prove it Murray will walk free.

But...
Why is the security footage erased?
Why was Alvarez later saying that Murray was stuff hiding in bags? Two months after Michaels death... Too weird. He could tell right away.
Why did Murray want to go back to the house to get some cream?
What happened at the house when they were in the hospital?

[_jay_]

I don't know whether this picture is shown, but the link is there, what is with the large phallic symbol rising out of his trousers with his left hand holding it?
I agree MJ would not like that and it is down to the tour organisers, this symbolism is not right with a lot of young fans who loved MJ.



http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/michael_jackson_o2_concert_2009.jpg

[groupofone]

I don't know whether this picture is shown, but the link is there, what is with the large phallic symbol rising out of his trousers with his left hand holding it?
I agree MJ would not like that and it is down to the tour organisers, this symbolism is not right with a lot of young fans who loved MJ.



http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/michael_jackson_o2_concert_2009.jpgI'm pretty sure it's just the shadow and a little bit of your dirty mind thrown in there. :rolleyes: Never looked at that picture and saw a dick until you said that. Besides, that's one huge bent up penis. :confused: :p :)

[silentscream]

I'm pretty sure it's just the shadow and a little bit of your dirty mind thrown in there. :rolleyes: Never looked at that picture and saw a dick until you said that. Besides, that's one huge bent up penis. :confused: :p :)

To me it looks like a whole arm and elbow like in a sleevless shirt with the hand reached down his pants. Kinda weird. Not seeing a peen at all.

[groupofone]

Yeah, but that's just the shadow of his shirt on his chest and stomach.

You can clearly see both of his hands in the picture, and his left hand is up by his nipple.

[silentscream]

Yeah, but that's just the shadow of his shirt on his chest and stomach.

You can clearly see both of his hands in the picture, and his left hand is up by his nipple.


I didn't mean his own arm, it just looks like another arm.

[gaias child]

I can't see anything at all

[hell_no]

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/25178033/Michael+Jackson++This+Is+It+Thisisit.jpg

For a very large picture.

Its just a crappy photoshop!
That is what I see.

[andiliz]

Michael Jackson tribute gig confirmed - YouTube

[arch]

Wow, add this to the non-compli-dance list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOWP-Lu5g1g&feature=player_detailpage#t=318s

@ 5:20

[andiliz]

Wow, add this to the non-compli-dance list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOWP-Lu5g1g&feature=player_detailpage#t=318s
Thanks

[andiliz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9LHrg__Cpw
This video is about the Michael Jackson tribute concert in Cardiff.

[gaias child]

Wow, add this to the non-compli-dance list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOWP-Lu5g1g&feature=player_detailpage#t=318s

@ 5:20

wow cool video

[hell_no]

http://youtu.be/DQ7JislcKtI


Hmm okay..
Lets have a read. (http://www.shamanicjourney.com/article/6014/black-panther-power-animal-symbol-of-astral-travel-feminine-energy-death-and-rebirth)

[sunsoftatooine]

Hello, everyone. Greetings to Andiliz and Gaias Child.

I hope things have been peaceful and pleasant. I haven't caught up with the posts. Would it be horrible if I didn't? :eek::D I've been dealing with some things and haven't had time to come by.

To Whom It May Concern,

Sorry, it's been more than two weeks, but I just read the info from you the other day. Thank you for the heads up. It's not easy to trust when you've been burned. If I'm ever in the position to give you a heads up, I will.

I will try and come back next week.

[gaias child]

Hello, everyone. Greetings to Andiliz and Gaias Child.

I hope things have been peaceful and pleasant. I haven't caught up with the posts. Would it be horrible if I didn't? :eek::D I've been dealing with some things and haven't had time to come by.

To Whom It May Concern,

Sorry, it's been more than two weeks, but I just read the info from you the other day. Thank you for the heads up. It's not easy to trust when you've been burned. If I'm ever in the position to give you a heads up, I will.

I will try and come back next week.

Greetings to you too Suntatooine :)

[sunsoftatooine]

Yes, I wondered about that too, Liza comments, I'm not sure she had that much contact with MJ up to the end of his life,so I can assume she meant she thought he would be free of drugs as Dick Gregory said.

These people are very clever, they cover all their angles to make it look like how they want and throw in a ton of distractions so can never be proven to be found out, it goes on over and over, elvis, john lennon etc


Ok, GC, who is "these people?" I think Liza is as ignorant about tptb as the average person. :)

There are distractions out there about a lot of things. This is an illuminati thread, but I think the idea of the Illuminati can be used to distract people from the practical. I also agree with you that the hoax is a distraction. It is a distraction from more practical things like what happened to MJ. If fans focus on MJ being alive, then those who are responsible for Michael's suffering at the end of his life aren't the focus. Some of the distracters (don't think that's a word, but it'll work for now.) are probably distracted.

[sunsoftatooine]

The short answer is: because I think he isn't 'dead' at all. I'm more along the lines of 'how can we not be interested by it'! To me it's blatantly obvious that he's not dead as nothing has added up, and it's not about liking or disliking someone in order to have an interest. I'm not into the whole celebrity worshipping scene but that doesn't mean I dislike them. I'd be just as interested if it was the guy down the road or any other celebrity....if the death didn't look right and had so many discrepancies. I'm absolutely aware of his humanitarian works and how he's been crucified for stepping out of line. However, I do think that he has given the 'appearance' on purpose of being naive and easily manipulated in order 'to get to know the enemy' so as he can eventually bring them down. So in reference to your previous comment about him not being street smart, i disagree and I think he is very much in control still, with the aim of making the world a better place (I agree with you on that!) Have you been on the forums, and if yes, have you never felt his presence there?

How do you feel about human trafficking?

[sunsoftatooine]

I think Michael Jackson is dead and was murdered. But we can't know 100% for sure. It's true that a lot of things don't add up about Michael's death. But that doesn't mean he is still alive. Rather his murder was well thought out, planned and covered-up. :(

Michael Jackson wasn't streetwise, he was naive in some ways. Michael Jackson hadn't lived in the real world since he was about 10 years old when he first became famous in the Jackson 5 and moved to LA. That isn't to say Michael Jackson wasn't an intelligent man, he was a very intelligent man, sometimes though I think he was a bit foolhardy and headstrong. Michael Jackson spoke the truth as he saw it he was a very good man and very sweet. Michael Jackson had a lot of guts to take on the people he took on like Tommy Mottola!
Michael Jackson's bodyguard's said Michael didn't know that a woman he saw from his car who was out late at night on the streets on her own was a prostitute that shows to me he wasn't streetwise.


I agree!! I also would add stubborn. :)

[sunsoftatooine]

You know what guys.... I just want to get straight to the point and put my view out there because I've been through this before on the dedicated fan forum and I'd like to cut to the chase if I may:). On MJHDI I submitted a post called a Hoax within a Hoax within a Hoax that basically suggested the premise that he was hoaxing some of his public persona over the years, and the subsequent death hoax, and the prospect that he's still hoaxing while he's 'away' from the spotlight obviously with a specific purpose!!. Not being into celebrity worship, I feel that it allows me to stay impartial when so called 'news' pops up about them. I'm fully aware of social conditioning and I feel that enabled me to have a clear visibility with regards to MJ's death that maybe some of his fans didn't have because they have been conditioned to view him a certain way. To some people I've spoken with it has been clearly inconceivable for them to think that he is anywhere near capable of doing what i think he is doing! I mentioned before that the day of his death I thought I was watching scenes from Monty Python..... to me, the absurdity of what I was seeing told me it wasn't true and I started to look around on the net a bit but then I had a family crisis that took about a year to resolve and in all that time MJ hadn't appeared again so it tweaked my interest to recommence looking around and I joined the forum. In a nutshell it's my opinion that he's involved in the forums, most of the well constructed blogs.... and some extra curricular activities!! I say this because I've seen pictures and videos that have never been publicly circulated before..... there's no other way for them to have seen the light of day if he wasn't releasing them himself. I'm sure he's visiting other forums too (HI!) and I've found it really difficult to find anyone who will openly consider my view that he is perhaps dabbling in other hoaxes. Usually people are fine with the discussions, in fact they agree that there's an increasing amount of doctored crap going on (even on this forum people agree that society is being conditioned to accept certain things as gospel), but as soon as I mention anything to do with MJ or heaven forbid, that he's a behind the scenes 'truth warrior', everything quickly goes down the drain! I'm fully expecting to cop a thrashing but so be it. I don't want to tie up my time with things that I've really gone over before when this is really what my scenario is about. To sum it up, I think he's got some influence over the various media ..... I said once on a forum that to break the media monopoly you have to get into it to have a chance of getting your truth out...... MJ would be wealthy enough to do that. On the fan forum I once suggested that he needed to have control over all things MJ to stop the crap that was going on in his life with people defrauding him, defaming him etc. The 'take over' includes owning chunks of MSM aswell. I'm sure he's got friends in high places that would help him do it. I'm suggesting that his 'return' involved intentionally faking his death to embarrass TPTB. I'm just wondering how absurd things have to get before people fully wake up! His 'death' didn't seem to do it.... from my experience and sample of the general populace it's gonna take a lot more to awaken them from the media induced coma. I can't wait for the coup de grace...... I hope that it has the effect on the world that he's hoping for!

Double post

[sunsoftatooine]

You know what guys.... I just want to get straight to the point and put my view out there because I've been through this before on the dedicated fan forum and I'd like to cut to the chase if I may:). On MJHDI I submitted a post called a Hoax within a Hoax within a Hoax that basically suggested the premise that he was hoaxing some of his public persona over the years, and the subsequent death hoax, and the prospect that he's still hoaxing while he's 'away' from the spotlight obviously with a specific purpose!!. Not being into celebrity worship, I feel that it allows me to stay impartial when so called 'news' pops up about them. I'm fully aware of social conditioning and I feel that enabled me to have a clear visibility with regards to MJ's death that maybe some of his fans didn't have because they have been conditioned to view him a certain way. To some people I've spoken with it has been clearly inconceivable for them to think that he is anywhere near capable of doing what i think he is doing! I mentioned before that the day of his death I thought I was watching scenes from Monty Python..... to me, the absurdity of what I was seeing told me it wasn't true and I started to look around on the net a bit but then I had a family crisis that took about a year to resolve and in all that time MJ hadn't appeared again so it tweaked my interest to recommence looking around and I joined the forum. In a nutshell it's my opinion that he's involved in the forums, most of the well constructed blogs.... and some extra curricular activities!! I say this because I've seen pictures and videos that have never been publicly circulated before..... there's no other way for them to have seen the light of day if he wasn't releasing them himself. I'm sure he's visiting other forums too (HI!) and I've found it really difficult to find anyone who will openly consider my view that he is perhaps dabbling in other hoaxes. Usually people are fine with the discussions, in fact they agree that there's an increasing amount of doctored crap going on (even on this forum people agree that society is being conditioned to accept certain things as gospel), but as soon as I mention anything to do with MJ or heaven forbid, that he's a behind the scenes 'truth warrior', everything quickly goes down the drain! I'm fully expecting to cop a thrashing but so be it. I don't want to tie up my time with things that I've really gone over before when this is really what my scenario is about. To sum it up, I think he's got some influence over the various media ..... I said once on a forum that to break the media monopoly you have to get into it to have a chance of getting your truth out...... MJ would be wealthy enough to do that. On the fan forum I once suggested that he needed to have control over all things MJ to stop the crap that was going on in his life with people defrauding him, defaming him etc. The 'take over' includes owning chunks of MSM aswell. I'm sure he's got friends in high places that would help him do it. I'm suggesting that his 'return' involved intentionally faking his death to embarrass TPTB. I'm just wondering how absurd things have to get before people fully wake up! His 'death' didn't seem to do it.... from my experience and sample of the general populace it's gonna take a lot more to awaken them from the media induced coma. I can't wait for the coup de grace...... I hope that it has the effect on the world that he's hoping for!

This is what I've asked BeLIEvers-- By the time Michael involves these "friends" and help, at what point do you guys think a "friend" or helper is going to either accidentally or because he or she talks too much reveal the secret? In order for a secret to remain just that it's works much better when less people know about it. I think Michael is smart enough to know that and not disappear so that he could buy shares of MSM outlets. How would he do that when executors are in charge of his estate?

[sunsoftatooine]

Gaias Child wrote: (sorry I accidentally cut off the rest of the post.)

Do you mean like the friends that abandoned him during the trials when they knew he was innocent,a sthey did not want to be tainted, Deepak Chopra for example, most people would not risk themselves or their reputations. It is a serious offence.

The people in high places were/are the ones trying too destroy Michael, , it isn't just Michael that was murdered so was elvis and john lennon, people that were trying to make the world a better place was what they had in common and just happened to have massive celebrity which enabled them too have influence




His death and the agenda against him has made many more people and fans aware of how the system works as he had a lot of fans and there are a lot of deliberate distractors on fan forums to manipulate the fans saying he was a drug addict, they ban everyone who gets too close about the murder and those involved such as Branca and post evidence of that it gets deleted.

Michael isn't God you know, you talk in a really strange way about him you don't seem too like him , on one hand and say it is because you don't worship celebrity , but I like Michael for the person he was not the celebrity he was as I also don't worship celebrity. and i am a researcher it is what I do. I've research things , I'm a voice person for those without a voice, ( a bit like MJ I guess maybe that is why I resonate with him)it can be people harmed by pharma, or other issues.

So I'm curious as to why you then mention him as if he was some God figure put here to wake people up which makes me feel your posts are not genuine. because it is so contradictory

He seemed like a really nice man. Very misunderstood.

[sunsoftatooine]

Do you know what Barbara Walters said about Michael Jackson exactly? Do you have a link to the interview?

Michael Jackson speaks at the Southern African Economic Forum Summit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foNO9t69Kns&feature=player_embedded#at=92
Michael Jackson's business partner Don Barden is dead. Don H. Barden (December 20, 1943 – May 19, 2011) was an American casino executive.

As far as I know Martin Bashir is still working and is currently with "NBC News" as a contributor for its "Dateline" program, and an afternoon anchor for "MSNBC", hosting Martin Bashir. He was previously an anchor for ABC's "Nightline". Martin Bashir says he is a Christian but he doesn't live his life the way a Christian should.

Michael was asking for her help with the media, I believe. (I can't remember.) It was an interview done in the 90s because Prince was a baby. I'll look for it.

Yep, unfortunately I saw Bashir on tv today....not for long tho. Thank God for remote control tv :D I read in a fan forum that Bashir is Christian, but I don't know if it's fact. Maybe he wasn't one when he did that crap piece on Michael.

Nice video about the south african conference. What a beautiful man MJ was. Barden wasn't very old. Sorry to hear. Seems like a good man as well.

[sunsoftatooine]

I think about 13 Michael Jackson fans have committed suicide this is very serious. If Michael Jackson knew about that he would stop the hoax. I'm sure Michael Jackson is dead and was murdered.
Some people think MJ is coming back this month July, 2011 he will not show up because he is dead. MJ isn't coming back in 2012, 2013.... or at any other time. :(

I believe what Jermaine Jackson, Karen Faye and Majestik Magnificent say that Michael Jackson is dead.

And Prince Al Waleed bin Talal was no real friend to Michael Jackson.

This is what Lynton Guest said about AEG Live and their role in Michael Jackson's death:
"In my opinion AEG have a lot to answer for but they have never been asked, as far as I know, to account for their actions and their role. They don’t need to respond to any media questions and no proper enquiry has been instituted. The criminal investigation, in my view, was limited to Murray deliberately. And remember, the ultimate owner of AEG is one of the richest men in the world, and one with a particular political and religious agenda."

I think Bonnie Cox is wrong thinking that AEG Live and Colony Capital are not involved in Michael Jackson's death.


Lynton is right on the money. I have no comment on the political and religious agenda.

[sunsoftatooine]

they are back online now, someone told me someone unpluggd their server, i guess the estate fixed it!




lol!

[sunsoftatooine]

It looks like they are congratulating each other!
You see...these kinda things make me wonder.
Anyway...is the name carved on his grave yet ?

Why are people still doubting his death?
Jermaine said it's not a hoax, Karen Faye said it's not a hoax,Latoya said Michael is killed. Why still the doubts? Yes I understand that there are people saying mj was healthy/unhealthy and some say he was in control and others say he was not.
But...
The truth will come out in September , maybe they even show pictures from the autopsy and then what?
Just wondering.
You would still believe in a hoax?

LOL I like your username. :D

[sunsoftatooine]

Don't see many people talking about this, but what are your thoughts on the highly-speculated fake songs on Michael Jackson's latest album.

Could it be another sign of the Illuminati attempt to tamper with his legacy?

Or the executors attempt at a slight of hand trick with Sony to ride the MJ fever wave and get paid. It's a good thing members of Michael's family spoke up about the fake voice. It might have tampered with his reputation and legacy. (like that wasn't done when he was alive.)

[sunsoftatooine]

From this video here. The song is "Hollywood Tonight". Michael Jackson wasn't part of the Illuminati. But $ony are connected to the Illuminati and Freemasonry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu-fTxpGAUY


Since Michael wasn't around when the decision was made about the cover, I think the cover was a jab at Michael's legacy and rep.

[sunsoftatooine]

Greetings to you too Suntatooine :)

Hey! LOL There were about fives posts about whether or not people could see a penis in the TII poster. You guys are freaky. ;)

[gaias child]

Since Michael wasn't around when the decision was made about the cover, I think the cover was a jab at Michael's legacy and rep.

+1

[ninny]

anyone read latoyas book lately?

[ninny]

lol william wagner asked tom mesereau to play himself in a documentary

Tiny Chat 1.4 - YouTube

funny.

[sunsoftatooine]

Here's the video of Michael with Barbara Walters. I don't think I've seen the interview since it was aired on tv. I was wrong. Michael didn't beg Barbara for help, but he asks her for help and, well.. you'll see her response. The interview takes place after Princess Di's death.


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[gwynned]

Here's the video of Michael with Barbara Walters. I don't think I've seen the interview since it was aired on tv. I was wrong. Michael didn't beg Barbara for help, but he asks her for help and, well.. you'll see her response. The interview takes place after Princess Di's death.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6ru1wO1nSk&nofeather=True

Thanks so much for this. I was actually thinking about this interview because I remembered him inviting the press to come up with a plan to help him deal with the Papparazi and I couldn't find the actual context. I believe he did come up with a plan with the assistance of some within the media.....perhaps Barbara Walters was one of them. And I believe we are seeing that plan being manifest now..

Also, at this juncture, the family controls what is said in the media because of their apparent exclusive contract with TMZ.

[sunsoftatooine]

Thanks so much for this. I was actually thinking about this interview because I remembered him inviting the press to come up with a plan to help him deal with the Papparazi and I couldn't find the actual context. I believe he did come up with a plan with the assistance of some within the media.....perhaps Barbara Walters was one of them. And I believe we are seeing that plan being manifest now..

Also, at this juncture, the family controls what is said in the media because of their apparent exclusive contract with TMZ.

It would be nice to think Barbara helped Michael. Maybe she did. The interview took place in the late 1990s and things really didn't improve for him after that. La Toya gave her an interview in 2009, and Barbara asked some questions about the paternity of his children...about the rumors of sperm not being his. Is that help?

What is your proof that the Jackson family has an exclusive contract with TMZ? What makes you think that? Wouldn't there be more flattering stories about the family on TMZ if that were true? Better pictures of Michael?

[gwynned]

It would be nice to think Barbara helped Michael. Maybe she did. The interview took place in the late 1990s and things really didn't improve for him after that. La Toya gave her an interview in 2009, and Barbara asked some questions about the paternity of his children...about the rumors of sperm not being his. Is that help?

What is your proof that the Jackson family has an exclusive contract with TMZ? What makes you think that? Wouldn't there be more flattering stories about the family on TMZ if that were true? Better pictures of Michael?

I'm actually referring to Michael's revenge on the media which entails, I believe, the demise of Rupert Murdoch. But that is my own speculation and I think it best we leave it at that.

As for TMZ, I note that they were the first to report Michael's death (so ahead of the curve, they did so BEFORE he actually 'died'), and that every bit of 'gossip' I've seen has come from TMZ. Since I'm going to guess you will mention 'Oprah', let me say that she appears to be as well another exclusive outlet for everything Jackson.

LaToya has an odd role in this whole saga so I don't know what to say about that. I'm reading her book now and things are just not adding up in her story. She does seem to stir up controversy....is that just part of the plan or is she just a wild card, I don't know.

[hell_no]

:(
Aw hell no.
Barbara helping:confused:
If there is illuminati she is one of them and tmz too.

and MJ is still dead, he hated the media with their manipulations and lies. Why do you think media would help him? they never did.

[saty]

What about heath ledger?

[simmo34]

Michael Jackson struggled against the illuminati and didn't at first want to be a puppet. He could see the evil of the people trying to control him. This is represented in his songs Thriller, Billie Jean and Wanna Be Starting Something. It is all so obvious.
Then he succumbed somehow (most probably electronically), and the mind controllers won.
He represents his new 'bad' self in Bad. He is at that point a fully fledged channel for the evil illuminati/anti-christs and lying media (just like Obama), in order that they can use puppets to control the masses into believing the propagandas and untruths that they desire so as to therefore carry out their secret plans against society.

Michael Jackson Thriller illuminati part 2 - YouTube

The illuminati's evil control of Michael Jackson took it's toll on him and led to his premature death, through a combination of prescription drugs and psychological mind control.
They set off the bizarre behaviours that we saw in this man, and the public demise from a completely healthy and normal man in the thriller era to a premature death just a short couple of decades later. That is what entertained them.

Michael Jackson met Ronald Reagan at the White House in 1984. There was a weird video made at the time of him running in his new attire (military uniform resembling Nazi uniform) with the people running behind him following him like sheep.

It happened to Bill Clinton, here he is well under illuminati mind control:

bill clinton and larry king off air - YouTube

Notice the sinister way Larry King is acting towards him. speaks for itself.

[simmo34]

.....perhaps Barbara Walters was one of them. And I believe we are seeing that plan being manifest now..

Barbara Walters is 100% one of them

Quote from that interview "I woke up and my 'doctor' told me the news about Princess Diana".

Like you do, Everyone wakes up with their doctor sitting by their bedside

[gwynned]

Barbara Walters is 100% one of them

Quote from that interview "I woke up and my 'doctor' told me the news about Princess Diana".

Like you do, Everyone wakes up with their doctor sitting by their bedside

I'm not sure what was going on with that interview, but it all seemed very contrived to me. Michael was/is a great manipulator, so I'm certain he was promoting some sort of agenda, though I'm not certain exactly what. Bottom line is that I don't believe MJ was a victim and I'm certain he outsmarted them.

[simmo34]

I'm not sure what was going on with that interview, but it all seemed very contrived to me. Michael was/is a great manipulator, so I'm certain he was promoting some sort of agenda, though I'm not certain exactly what. Bottom line is that I don't believe MJ was a victim and I'm certain he outsmarted them.

You know what gwynned, I think it's either X- my explanation, or Y- yours, because your argument is convincing on the basis that it could have been that he kept putting the coded messages out there of what was being done to him to bring him down; and give him a bad name; and he was definitely one of the smartest guys to walk on this earth. It's reported He had an IQ of 164, so therefore he was in psychological/clinical terms a certified genius, and it's very possible that that figure has been played down as part of the dis-creditation. I say that because 164 is the lowest possible number to join the genius club.
I would suggest it wouldn't be the done thing for psychologists to have him up there with Stephen Hawkin- (because it wouldn't fit into their ideas and hypnotic/manipulative mind control plans rooted on their Freudian principles and beliefs that they want society to believe). Stephen Hawkins' IQ seems a bit of a mystery, but has been reported at 197.
What I am saying by that on the IQ is exactly what David Icke says about how we are brainwashed from schooling to think a certain way. It could be the case that the person who has the highest IQ in the world is a woman, aged 21 who works on a supermarket checkout. No-one knows, because not everyone has been tested. If you ask anyone who is the cleverest person in the world, the answer would most likely be Stephen Hawkin even though that answer is not based on conclusive fact. That's because we have been conditioned to think in a certain way. That is just one example how easy it is for the establishments and media to brainwash the masses without even needing to produce a shred of proof. Ok, he's written some far out complex theories etc, but so have a lot of people in history, and the thing is, how do we know that the 21 year old checkout girl couldn't have a higher IQ and come up with even more complex stuff?

Anyway, what i think though was that it was more than just the press/media/paparazzi up against Michael. I'm thinking along the lines of elements/forces in the music industry and doctors for example.

[gwynned]

You know what Gwynedd, I think it's either X- my explanation, or Y- yours, because your argument is convincing on the basis that it could have been that he kept putting the coded messages out there of what was being done to him to bring him down; and give him a bad name; and he was definitely one of the smartest guys to walk on this earth.
What i think though was that it was more than just the press/media/paparazzi up against him. I'm thinking along the lines of elements/forces in the music industry and doctors for example.

I agree with you as I have learned much since his 'death' not just about him, but about the forces lined up against him. There are those that suggest, and I tend to agree with them, that music has been used by the powers that be as a very destructive force and that music and music videos were used to dumb kids down and make them preoccupied with getting drunk and having sex so that they could continue being used by them.

Michael was always an innovator, a trickster and was full of surprises. His music was always fresh and vital as opposed to much of what passes today for music. It's been said that some entertainers sell their souls for wealth and fame. Others don't care about fame. Only the art. Great art lives forever, Michael would say, and I think he strove always for greatness and inspired others to do and be the same. Such a person is a serious threat to the forces that be whose power is fed by our negativities.

I have a hunch that there are people in the music business who have either switched sides or have always been behind Michael in what appears to be a massive media war for our hearts and minds. I don't know about anyone else, but I have all my money on Michael.

[simmo34]

Very true words

[lightgiver]

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2534/jacksonpharaoh.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/jacksonpharaoh.jpg/)

[sunsoftatooine]

:(
Aw hell no.
Barbara helping:confused:
If there is illuminati she is one of them and tmz too.

and MJ is still dead, he hated the media with their manipulations and lies. Why do you think media would help him? they never did.

I definitely doubt the Jacksons control any part of the media unless they own their own publishing company or television network.

Your nick cracks me up. Ain't it the truth?

[sunsoftatooine]

@gwynned,

you say Michael was/is a great manipulator... the term "great manipulator" is evil sounding to me. It doesn't put Michael in a good light. Maybe you don't mean it that way, but to manipulate isn't seen as a good thing in modern society. Michael was plenty manipulated,used, and abused by many throughout his life, so if he turned the tables on them, then so be it. They deserved it. But, I don't believe Michael meant evil. He was a victim more than not.

[gwynned]

@gwynned,

you say Michael was/is a great manipulator... the term "great manipulator" is evil sounding to me. It doesn't put Michael in a good light. Maybe you don't mean it that way, but to manipulate isn't seen as a good thing in modern society. Michael was plenty manipulated,used, and abused by many throughout his life, so if he turned the tables on them, then so be it. They deserved it. But, I don't believe Michael meant evil. He was a victim more than not.

Consider this. The media is the primary place where the primary players, whoever they may be, seek to win our hearts and minds. Generally people like to side with a winner. Besides, it's all for L.O.V.E.

[sunsoftatooine]

Consider this. The media is the primary place where the primary players, whoever they may be, seek to win our hearts and minds. Generally people like to side with a winner. Besides, it's all for L.O.V.E.


You speak in riddles.

[hell_no]

http://youtu.be/-SObSCotNaA

:rolleyes:

[sunsoftatooine]

http://youtu.be/-SObSCotNaA

:rolleyes:

LOL! Drinking some Red Red Wine might help me understand the riddles.

I'm partial to The English Beat and Mirror in the Bathroom.

[sunsoftatooine]

Will the issue of the Michael's Will ever be brought into court? Will Branca and McClain have to explain the Will to a jury?

[hell_no]

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/08/anthony-pellicano-interview-newsweek/


Have you read this?
:confused:

[gwynned]

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/08/anthony-pellicano-interview-newsweek/


Have you read this?
:confused:

Perhaps you are refering to this?

“If you saw the stuff I found in celebrity homes: cocaine, heroin, Ecstasy, vials of narcotics. There was a doctor shooting up celebrities with morphine for $350,” he says. He also claims he worked for Jackson during his 1993 child-molestation case, but, “I quit because I found out some truths…He did something far worse to young boys than molest them.” He refused to comment further.


And we should believe anything this guy says because?

[hell_no]

Check out this post
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=107348


I think Latoya is right.
You have read her book?

[sunsoftatooine]

I think Anthony Pellicano's comments are full of crap. (I actually agree with Gwynned about something. :) )He'll have further comment when his book comes out. If there was something to know (which there wasn't), and all he did was stop investigating, then he bears responsibility.

The op in the thread about the Jackson family and mafia ties is incorrect. It was LaToya's husband who supposedly had friends in the mob, not the Jacksons.

[sunsoftatooine]

Have you guys seen this?

Michael is so adorable.

Michael Jackson - California Raisins "Raison Attitude" Tape - YouTube

[gwynned]

Have you guys seen this?

Michael is so adorable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1fqASpPskM&nofeather=True

We agree again! He is adorable and it's interesting how his vision is so clear in his mind.

[hell_no]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/illuminati pyramid/crackhead1488_photo/illuminatipyramid.png?o=5

http://youtu.be/-jxaune1z3k

woah!

[sunsoftatooine]

We agree again! He is adorable and it's interesting how his vision is so clear in his mind.


It's good there are some things we agree on. Michael was very clear about what he wanted and communicating it. You can tell he liked to play. :)

[sunsoftatooine]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/illuminati pyramid/crackhead1488_photo/illuminatipyramid.png?o=5

http://youtu.be/-jxaune1z3k

woah!

Is your "woah" because the song and video are a blast from the past or because you always feel like somebody is watching you? :)


Not a fan of this song. Michael and the keyboards are what I like. Isn't Rockwell Barry Gordy's son? Michael loved Barry.

[stipey]

He really died back awhile back and was replaced by either a robotoid or double...that creature who claims to be Michael Jackson..:D
So the whole world mourned a fake..just to create more sadness in the world to feed the inter-dimensional creepy crawlies..:rolleyes:


Neverland Ranch Investigators Discover Corpse Of Real Michael Jackson

March 16, 2005 | Issue 41•11
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SANTA BARBARA, CA—During a search for evidence at the Neverland Valley Ranch, investigators discovered a corpse that has been identified as that of Michael Jackson, Santa Barbara police officials announced Tuesday.

http://www.theonion.com/content/file...49.article.jpg
"Coroners have officially pronounced Michael Jackson dead. From what we can tell, he died between 18 and 20 years ago," forensic investigator Tim Holbrooke said. "We are not certain, at this time, who—or what—has been standing trial in that Santa Maria courthouse."

According to Holbrooke, Jackson's corpse was buried just inches below a stretch of the miniature-train tracks that run throughout Neverland. The largely desiccated corpse wore the remains of a red, zipper-covered leather jacket and a single glove.

"We positively identified the body as Jackson by his dental records and DNA," Holbrooke said. "But even before we conducted a single forensic test, we began to suspect that that we'd uncovered the real Michael, and that the disturbing figure claiming to be Jackson was a fake."

Holbrooke said that, although the corpse was in an advanced stage of decomposition, when investigators compared the body to early-career publicity photos of Jackson, they saw a striking resemblance in bone structure and facial features. But when they compared the body to photos taken after 1987, the resemblance was negligible.

"This discovery raises a lot of questions, but it also sheds light on a number of disturbing incidents," Holbrooke said. "Frankly, Jackson had been acting pretty strange."

http://www.theonion.com/content/file...48.article.jpg
Investigators move Jackson's body, found buried at Neverland Ranch (above).

Forensic experts and music critics are postulating that Jackson was dead before the release of the multi-platinum album Bad. Detectives are currently analyzing the lyrics to "Man In The Mirror" for any clues relating to a look-alike entity that many suspect murdered the youngest member of the Jackson 5 and assumed his identity.

"We believe that Neverland served as some sort of freakishly whimsical tomb constructed by Jackson's killer," Holbrooke said. "We also suspect that all of the iniquities that occurred on that ranch were the work of the imposter. I wouldn't have ever thought it possible, but we are looking at a situation where the sexual abuse of a 13-year-old cancer patient is the tip of the iceberg."

Holbrooke said that, while the living Jackson is the leading suspect in the murder investigation, he "could be another victim of some sort."
"Basically, we have no idea what type of creature we are dealing with," Holbrooke said.

A member of the investigative team that discovered Jackson's body described the experience as "otherworldly."

"As we neared the perimeter of Neverland, the dogs started whining and howling like crazy," Santa Barbara County detective Frank Poeller said. "We had to pull them into the house. When we got to Jackson's bedroom, one of them almost choked himself to death on his leash trying to get out through the window. Minutes later, the same dog led us to the corpse."
A representative from Jackson's self-created label, MJJ Productions, said he was not surprised to find out that the current Jackson is an imposter.
"When we were recording 'Heal The World' for Dangerous, I could tell something was terribly, terribly wrong," MJJ manager Luke Allard said. "Michael didn't seem like himself anymore. He'd demand bizarre food and sit for hours in a hyperbaric chamber. His appearance began to become more and more peculiar. Soon afterwards, he started wearing a mask and confiding in a chimpanzee."

"I remember thinking, 'This man has become a monster,'" Allard said. "If only I'd known how right I was."

http://www.theonion.com/content/file...50.article.jpg
The creature that claims to be Michael Jackson.

Allard said he thinks that the imposter broke ties with Jackson's former friends and surrounded himself with children who were too young to notice the radical change.

Vanity Fair reporter Beth Pither visited Neverland in 1994.
"A strangely fearful staff member led me to Jackson, but ran off before I opened the door," Pither said. "Standing there with my hand on an ice-cold doorknob, I heard strange, unnatural sounds—leathery wings flapping, a sorrowful wail, and loud hissing. A wave of dread passed through me as I opened the door, but all I found was Michael and some kids in pajamas eating ice cream and watching 101 Dalmatians."

While their claims have not been corroborated, other Neverland visitors have reported that when when Jackson entered a room, lights flickered, faucets ran blood-red, and screams escaped from the walls.

To aid in the investigation, the FBI enlisted Dr. Richard Weingarden, a noted expert on the paranormal from UC Santa Barbara. After only two hours, Weingarden abandoned the project.

"The smell of sulfur, the decaying facial features, the bizarrely high-pitched voice—it sounds exactly like..." Weingarden said, trailing off. "I'm sure it's nothing. Not a big deal. Nothing to be terrified about, certainly. I have to go. I've got a family."

Thomas Sneddon, the prosecutor in Jackson's child-molestation lawsuit, said it remains to be seen how the shocking discovery will affect the trial.
Megan Gustafson, who left her post as president of the Akron, OH Michael Jackson Fan Club after the singer was accused of molestation, offered a positive view of the grisly revelation.

"This is very disturbing news," Gustafson said. "But to be honest, it's kind of a relief too. Thriller and Off The Wall are really amazing records. Now I can pull them out of my 'ruined by child abuse' storage bin and start listening to them again."http://www.theonion.com/content/them...terminator.gif

[divineshadow]

Fat Frank wanted a bigger slice of the cake.So THEY got rid off him.....

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/08/25/2011-08-25_frank_dileo_michael_jacksons_former_manager_fed _up_with_pop_stars_estate_before_.html#ixzz1W30jRv 97

[gaias child]

Does anyone know what happened to the this is not it forum?

I did hear from one person that some of the girls had their lives threatened

[andiliz]

Fat Frank wanted a bigger slice of the cake.So THEY got rid off him.....

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/08/25/2011-08-25_frank_dileo_michael_jacksons_former_manager_fed _up_with_pop_stars_estate_before_.html#ixzz1W30jRv 97
It's true Frank DiLeo is dead. But do you think the illuminati killed him? I know Joe Jackson (Michael's Dad) doesn't trust Frank DiLeo. Frank DiLeo wasn't in the best of health anyway.

[gaias child]

He looked unhealthy, I guess stress could have triggered it, but then again these people have access to the best doctors and heart disease is easily preventable and treatable, so maybe he was given a helping hand along the way

[lightgiver]

Michael Kelland John Hutchence (22 January 1960 – 22 November 1997) was an Australian musician and actor, he was the founding lead singer-songwriter of rock band INXS from 1977 to his death. Hutchence was a member of briefly existing pop rock group Max Q and recorded solo material which was released posthumously. He acted in feature films, including Dogs in Space (1986) and Frankenstein Unbound (1990).

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3199/michaelhutchenceinxs198.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/michaelhutchenceinxs198.jpg/)

According to rock music historian, Ian McFarlane, "Hutchence was the archetypal rock showman. He exuded an overtly sexual, macho cool with his flowing locks, and lithe and exuberant stage movements". Hutchence won the 'Best International Artist' at the 1991 BRIT Awards with INXS winning the related group award.

Frankenstein Unbound (1990) - creator and creature - YouTube
http://youtu.be/gDqQERyhfqI

Michael Kelland John Hutchence was born on 22 January 1960, the son of Sydney businessman, Kelland ("Kell") Hutchence and make-up artist, Patricia (neé Kennedy). His half-sister, Tina, was eleven-years-old when Kell and Patricia married in January 1959. Following Kell's business interests, the Hutchence family moved to Brisbane where younger brother, Rhett was born, and subsequently relocated to Hong Kong. Hutchence performed in a local toy store commercial, before attending King George V School during his early teens.

Death

Hutchence and INXS went on a world tour to support the April 1997 release of Elegantly Wasted, both the album and its related singles had less chart success. The final leg of their 20th anniversary tour was to be in Australia in November and December. However, on the morning of 22 November 1997, Hutchence, aged 37, was found dead in Room 524 at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Double Bay, Sydney.

On 6 February 1998, after an autopsy and coronial inquest, New South Wales State Coroner, Derrick Hand, presented his report which ruled that Hutchence's death was a suicide while depressed and under the influence of drugs and alcohol:

An analysis report of the deceased's blood indicates the presence of alcohol, cocaine, Prozac and other prescription drugs. On consideration of the entirety of the evidence gathered I am satisfied that the deceased was in a severe depressed state on the morning of the 22nd November, 1997, due to a number of factors, including the relationship with Paula Yates and the pressure of the on-going dispute with Bob Geldof, combined with the effects of the substances that he had ingested at that time.

INXS - Disappear - YouTube
http://youtu.be/E_0CXLV9uiE

INXS - Disappear

As indicated I am satisfied that the deceased intended and did take his own life ???

After Hutchence's death, Geldof and Yates each gave police statements on the phone calls they exchanged with Hutchence that morning but did not volunteer their phone records...(What a surprise)

Boomtown Dirty Rats - Rat Trap [totp2]
Boomtown Rats - Rat Trap [totp2] - YouTube
http://youtu.be/opd14v2I7Ik

Geldof and Yates each gave police statements on the phone calls they exchanged with Hutchence that morning but did not volunteer their phone records.

Geldof's police statements and evidence to the coroner indicated that he patiently listened to Hutchence...

In 1999, Yates claimed that Hutchence's death may have resulted from autoerotic asphyxiation ?

On 27 November, Hutchence's coffin was carried out of St. Andrew's Cathedral by members of the band and his younger brother Rhett. "Never Tear Us Apart" was played in the background. Nick Cave performed "Into My Arms" during the funeral and requested that television cameras be switched off. Rhett claimed in his 2004 book, Total XS, that on the previous day at the funeral parlour, Yates had put a gram of heroin into the dead Hutchence's pocket.

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1016/frankensteinunboundfilm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/frankensteinunboundfilm.jpg/)

Bono of the Irish rock band U2, a good friend of Hutchence, wrote "Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of", which is interpreted as an intervention with him. In a 2005 interview, Bono regretted that he had not spent more time with Hutchence. Ali, Bono's wife, had seen Hutchence prior to the Australian trip and noted, "he looked a bit shaky to her"

The dispute between Geldof and Hutchence family members over Tiger continued. Geldof legally adopted Tiger, against the wishes of Patricia and Tina, who disagreed with Geldof changing her surname to Hutchence-Geldof. In July 2009, Patricia protested that Geldof had prevented access to her granddaughter for three years, "It's totally cruel and unnecessary. I've lost my husband and now I have a granddaughter who doesn't even know her beloved Grandpa Ross has died.

We have been completely cut out of her life by Bob Geldof". Patricia requested a visit with Tiger from Geldof for the 50th anniversary of Hutchence's birth (22 January 2010) and indicated that she accepted her son's death as being a suicide.

Patricia died on 21 September, Tiger was not in attendance at her funeral due to Geldof's fear of attention that would be generated. Her uncle Rhett indicated that Geldof had sent condolences, that he had spoken to Tiger and agreed it was advisable to keep the 14-year-old out of the media.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/2oRI1-PznQw

Michael Hutchence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Frankenstein Unbound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[sunsoftatooine]

Happy birthday, michael!!

[simmo34]

He really died back awhile back and was replaced by either a robotoid or double...that creature who claims to be Michael Jackson..:D
So the whole world mourned a fake..just to create more sadness in the world to feed the inter-dimensional creepy crawlies..:rolleyes:


Neverland Ranch Investigators Discover Corpse Of Real Michael Jackson

March 16, 2005 | Issue 41•11
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SANTA BARBARA, CA—During a search for evidence at the Neverland Valley Ranch, investigators discovered a corpse that has been identified as that of Michael Jackson, Santa Barbara police officials announced Tuesday.

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"Coroners have officially pronounced Michael Jackson dead. From what we can tell, he died between 18 and 20 years ago," forensic investigator Tim Holbrooke said. "We are not certain, at this time, who—or what—has been standing trial in that Santa Maria courthouse."

According to Holbrooke, Jackson's corpse was buried just inches below a stretch of the miniature-train tracks that run throughout Neverland. The largely desiccated corpse wore the remains of a red, zipper-covered leather jacket and a single glove.

"We positively identified the body as Jackson by his dental records and DNA," Holbrooke said. "But even before we conducted a single forensic test, we began to suspect that that we'd uncovered the real Michael, and that the disturbing figure claiming to be Jackson was a fake."

Holbrooke said that, although the corpse was in an advanced stage of decomposition, when investigators compared the body to early-career publicity photos of Jackson, they saw a striking resemblance in bone structure and facial features. But when they compared the body to photos taken after 1987, the resemblance was negligible.

"This discovery raises a lot of questions, but it also sheds light on a number of disturbing incidents," Holbrooke said. "Frankly, Jackson had been acting pretty strange."

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Investigators move Jackson's body, found buried at Neverland Ranch (above).

Forensic experts and music critics are postulating that Jackson was dead before the release of the multi-platinum album Bad. Detectives are currently analyzing the lyrics to "Man In The Mirror" for any clues relating to a look-alike entity that many suspect murdered the youngest member of the Jackson 5 and assumed his identity.

"We believe that Neverland served as some sort of freakishly whimsical tomb constructed by Jackson's killer," Holbrooke said. "We also suspect that all of the iniquities that occurred on that ranch were the work of the imposter. I wouldn't have ever thought it possible, but we are looking at a situation where the sexual abuse of a 13-year-old cancer patient is the tip of the iceberg."

Holbrooke said that, while the living Jackson is the leading suspect in the murder investigation, he "could be another victim of some sort."
"Basically, we have no idea what type of creature we are dealing with," Holbrooke said.

A member of the investigative team that discovered Jackson's body described the experience as "otherworldly."

"As we neared the perimeter of Neverland, the dogs started whining and howling like crazy," Santa Barbara County detective Frank Poeller said. "We had to pull them into the house. When we got to Jackson's bedroom, one of them almost choked himself to death on his leash trying to get out through the window. Minutes later, the same dog led us to the corpse."
A representative from Jackson's self-created label, MJJ Productions, said he was not surprised to find out that the current Jackson is an imposter.
"When we were recording 'Heal The World' for Dangerous, I could tell something was terribly, terribly wrong," MJJ manager Luke Allard said. "Michael didn't seem like himself anymore. He'd demand bizarre food and sit for hours in a hyperbaric chamber. His appearance began to become more and more peculiar. Soon afterwards, he started wearing a mask and confiding in a chimpanzee."

"I remember thinking, 'This man has become a monster,'" Allard said. "If only I'd known how right I was."

http://www.theonion.com/content/file...50.article.jpg
The creature that claims to be Michael Jackson.

Allard said he thinks that the imposter broke ties with Jackson's former friends and surrounded himself with children who were too young to notice the radical change.

Vanity Fair reporter Beth Pither visited Neverland in 1994.
"A strangely fearful staff member led me to Jackson, but ran off before I opened the door," Pither said. "Standing there with my hand on an ice-cold doorknob, I heard strange, unnatural sounds—leathery wings flapping, a sorrowful wail, and loud hissing. A wave of dread passed through me as I opened the door, but all I found was Michael and some kids in pajamas eating ice cream and watching 101 Dalmatians."

While their claims have not been corroborated, other Neverland visitors have reported that when when Jackson entered a room, lights flickered, faucets ran blood-red, and screams escaped from the walls.

To aid in the investigation, the FBI enlisted Dr. Richard Weingarden, a noted expert on the paranormal from UC Santa Barbara. After only two hours, Weingarden abandoned the project.

"The smell of sulfur, the decaying facial features, the bizarrely high-pitched voice—it sounds exactly like..." Weingarden said, trailing off. "I'm sure it's nothing. Not a big deal. Nothing to be terrified about, certainly. I have to go. I've got a family."

Thomas Sneddon, the prosecutor in Jackson's child-molestation lawsuit, said it remains to be seen how the shocking discovery will affect the trial.
Megan Gustafson, who left her post as president of the Akron, OH Michael Jackson Fan Club after the singer was accused of molestation, offered a positive view of the grisly revelation.

"This is very disturbing news," Gustafson said. "But to be honest, it's kind of a relief too. Thriller and Off The Wall are really amazing records. Now I can pull them out of my 'ruined by child abuse' storage bin and start listening to them again."http://www.theonion.com/content/them...terminator.gif

That is a bit of a sick joke stipey- i have noted you down as another sarcastic 'non-truther'

[stipey]

sick joke? its a real article from a news source. If they found his body and his dental showed it to be him how can it be a sick joke.

We positively identified the body as Jackson by his dental records and DNA," Holbrooke said. "But even before we conducted a single forensic test, we began to suspect that that we'd uncovered the real Michael, and that the disturbing figure claiming to be Jackson was a fake."

A fake...duh..a double perhaps, a robotoid perhaps..see Stepford wives thread and educate yourself.:rolleyes: wake up and smell the technology simmo34.

[silentscream]

sick joke? its a real article from a news source. If they found his body and his dental showed it to be him how can it be a sick joke.

We positively identified the body as Jackson by his dental records and DNA," Holbrooke said. "But even before we conducted a single forensic test, we began to suspect that that we'd uncovered the real Michael, and that the disturbing figure claiming to be Jackson was a fake."

A fake...duh..a double perhaps, a robotoid perhaps..see Stepford wives thread and educate yourself.:rolleyes: wake up and smell the technology simmo34.

Michael Jackson did not die long ago, he died two years ago..and I don't appreciate this article describing him as a "disturbing figure" that article is garbage. period. Most of the a-holes I come in contact with everyday are disturbing figures...Not MJ.

[stipey]

Michael Jackson did not die long ago, he died two years ago..and I don't appreciate this article describing him as a "disturbing figure" that article is garbage. period. Most of the a-holes I come in contact with everyday are disturbing figures...Not MJ.

well then America's finest news source is garbage and your life is filled with disturbing figures..sounds like a blast.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/neverland-ranch-investigators-discover-corpse-of-r,1303/

[silentscream]

well then America's finest news source is garbage and your life is filled with disturbing figures..sounds like a blast.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/neverland-ranch-investigators-discover-corpse-of-r,1303/

Boy, you're just waiting around for a bite ain't ya. What a sorry life you have.

[stipey]

I'm not sorry about my life..I have a wonderful life. :cool:
So many on this planet are asleep and need to be awakened...

[simmo34]

Michael Jackson did not die long ago, he died two years ago..and I don't appreciate this article describing him as a "disturbing figure" that article is garbage. period. Most of the a-holes I come in contact with everyday are disturbing figures...Not MJ.

Yes, that is exactly what I was getting at about it being a sick joke (or article as I was corrected). Like you say silentscream he did not die long ago as suggested by this post. Must be another winding up non-truther.
Believe me stipey - I couldn't be more fully awakened to the truth of today's technology! Have a look at some more of my threads and posts and learn :)

[simmo34]

I came across Novak Jokovic's high altitude inducing oxygen tank in the news and it brought back the media joke about Michael Jackson in his one, These pieces of equipment can be used for specific purposes to enhance physical performance.
Try looking up lung capacity, vocal breaks, recovery from fatigue etc.
Basically lots of good and explainable reasons for using this kind of equipment and doesn't take a lot to work out.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/article/66035/

Seems that illuminati driven smear campaign has been blown right up

Had to laugh when this Jokovic article described it as 'wacky'

This articles's title immediately describes increased lung capacity as beneficial to athletes and singers:

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/increasing-lung-capacity.html

Not all performers decide to smoke whilst singing and dancing :D

[andiliz]

He looked unhealthy, I guess stress could have triggered it, but then again these people have access to the best doctors and heart disease is easily preventable and treatable, so maybe he was given a helping hand along the way
Frank DiLeo was unhealthy but it's strange he has died at this time. Frank was an insider and now he is dead. It's strange because maybe Frank was going to reveal secrets about the MJ estate and the "Michael" album.

[whatsinaname]

well then America's finest news source is garbage and your life is filled with disturbing figures..sounds like a blast.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/neverland-ranch-investigators-discover-corpse-of-r,1303/

The Onion is an American news satire organization

[ninny]

found something, trying to decode

11:07 - Conrad Murray 1 minute call to personal assistant (eleven 7)
11:18 - Conrad Murray 32 minute call to Las Vegas office (eleven 3x6(666) --> 18-7=11)

these first 2 calls last (after media reports) 33 minutes

11:49 - Conrad Murray 3 minute call to a cardiology patient (eleven 7 --> 7x7=49)
11:51 - Conrad Murray call of unspecified length to Sade Anding (there's a testimony she did phone with him) --> SAD END (7 plus 2 minutes is 9 --> eleven 9)
12:12 - 1 minute call to Michael Jackson's personal assistant (Michael Amir Williams testified) --> he called Alberto Alvarez

here another 23 minutes left (2+3=5 number of death)

Amir \a-mir\ as a boy's name is pronounced a-MEER. It is of Arabic and Hebrew origin, and the meaning of Amir is "prince; treetop". Term for a high-ranking and powerful official in many different capacities in the Muslim world.
Amir has 7 variant forms: Ameer, Ameir, Amer, Amiran, Amiri, Emeer and Emir.

MICHAEL PRINCE WILLIAMS

TREETOP

http://reigninggifts.com/images/SilverTreeTopStar637264.jpg

12:12 is 33

12:21 Alberto Alvarez calls 911

from 12:12 to 12:21 are 9 minutes (3x3)
9 in TAROT is The Hermit
and MJ is a hermit

Alvar \a-lvar, al-var\ as a boy's name (also used as girl's name Alvar), is pronounced AL-vah. It is of Old English origin, and the meaning of Alvar is "elf or magical army, warrior". From Aelfhere. Also possibly an anglicized form of Spanish Alvaro, meaning "all guard" in Old German. Architect Alvar Aalto.
Alvar has 5 variant forms: Albaro, Allvar, Alvaro, Alvarso and Alverio.
Baby names that sound like Alvar are Alvert, Alavaro and Alvern.

ARMY (of Death)

http://gamingdead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/michael-jackson-thriller.jpg

ALBERTO ELF
ELF in german is ELEVEN
ALBERTO ELEVEN
5 number of death

ELF
PETER PAN & the ELF

http://www.mainova-ignaz.de/www/media/img/news/MP_News_Verlosung_Peter_Pan_Ice_02_rdax_240x340_90 .jpg

the ELF is TINKER BELL
ALBERTO rang the BELL (phone)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/TinkerbellDisney.jpg

12:21 is again 33

as you see this is all orchestrated with primenumbers plus masonic 33 and nothing of it is real
something different happened

i think today is the beginning of the manslaughter trial. ill check some things now....
if i find something, ill come back
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September 8, 9, 12
Prospective jurors summoned to answer 117-question, 30-page jury questionnaire. Approximately 450 people are expected to be evaluated for jury duty in this trial, 160 on Thursday, September 8th and a similar number on the 9th and 12th.

September 13-16
Attorneys review completed questionnaires

Week of September 19
Jury selection begins

Opening Statements
September 26th or 27, 2011

Location

Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center
210 West Temple St.
Los Angeles, CA 90012

Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notable Trials

O.J. Simpson murder trial
Phil Spector murder trial
Helen Golay and Olga Rutterschmidt – 2008 murder trial
BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant trial
Trial of Dr. Conrad Murray for the death of Michael Jackson

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Floor count 21
Elevator count 12

[sunsoftatooine]

Stipey, are you feeling ok?

Does anyone else think Prince is too young to have a girlfriend? I think so. He's only 14.

[trixie]

Frank DiLeo was unhealthy but it's strange he has died at this time. Frank was an insider and now he is dead. It's strange because maybe Frank was going to reveal secrets about the MJ estate and the "Michael" album.

I thought it was strange. Maybe someone didn't want him to testify in the upcoming Murray trial. He was there at the hospital so his testimony was important. He was reportedly getting better too.

He probably was going to reveal secrets in his book. I hope it still gets published. I am looking forward to reading it.

[trixie]

I think its very strange about Tim Lopez, a key witness in the case against CM, is no longer available to testify:

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/key-witness-in-conrad-murray-trial-leaves-the-country-20110915

[gaias child]

I think its very strange about Tim Lopez, a key witness in the case against CM, is no longer available to testify:

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/key-witness-in-conrad-murray-trial-leaves-the-country-20110915

Thanks, so strange things and deaths in those that could reveal the truth of MJ death

[henryl]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[hell_no]

I think its very strange about Tim Lopez, a key witness in the case against CM, is no longer available to testify:

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/key-witness-in-conrad-murray-trial-leaves-the-country-20110915

They found him. You can check it on CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/09/19/california.conrad.murray.hearing/index.html?section=cnn_latest

[sunsoftatooine]

Michael was an attractive man with a magnetism about him, even when he wasn't performing. There was some sexuality/sensuality in his performances. He was probably a normal, passionate guy who kept his private life private.


Butterflies @ the Break of Dawn.

[sunsoftatooine]

Nice to see the young man, Prince I, working to help others.


Still think he's too young to have a girlfriend. Keep an eye out KJ. :)

[silentscream]

Michael was definitely very attractive but anyone who looked in his eyes could see he was special, rarely you have these special people and he was one. Even men found him irresistable.

Btw, I would like to hear opinions on the dead Michael on the gurney picture released today. Can't say that I have every seen a dead celebrity pasted all over the news and tv. Very odd. For a dead person, his color was beautiful.

[gwynned]

Michael was definitely very attractive but anyone who looked in his eyes could see he was special, rarely you have these special people and he was one. Even men found him irresistable.

Btw, I would like to hear opinions on the dead Michael on the gurney picture released today. Can't say that I have every seen a dead celebrity pasted all over the news and tv. Very odd. For a dead person, his color was beautiful.

I never had the opportunity to look into his eyes, but watching him dance was a divine experience.

That photo looks ridiculous and out of proportion. Another fake just like the ambulance photo.

[henryl]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

MICHAEL JACKSON's ALLEGED TRUST DOCUMENT IS %100 FORGED! - YouTube

[andiliz]

If people want to follow the Dr. Murray trial on live stream you can watch it here:
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/livevideo?id=8361777

[andiliz]

Toxicology In The Michael Jackson Manslaughter Trial:
http://lawmedconsultant.com/2575/toxicology-in-the-michael-jackson-manslaughter-trial

[andiliz]

Michael was definitely very attractive but anyone who looked in his eyes could see he was special, rarely you have these special people and he was one. Even men found him irresistable.

Btw, I would like to hear opinions on the dead Michael on the gurney picture released today. Can't say that I have every seen a dead celebrity pasted all over the news and tv. Very odd. For a dead person, his color was beautiful.
Do you mean these photos?
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2011/10/michael-jackson-autopsy-photo-released-disturbing/

What do you mean by for a dead person, his color was beautiful?

[andiliz]

You can watch the Dr. Murray trial on love stream here on TMZ if you want:
http://www.tmz.com/
Starts 4.45 pm UK time and it goes on (with breaks) till midnight. They take a midmorning break - this is normally for about 15 mins. Then there is a lunch break 8 pm-9.30 pm UK time. Then there is another 15 mins mid afternoon break.

[thee_doctor]

they are all saying he is still alive on youtube...

[sunsoftatooine]

@silentscream Didn't like either picture of dead Michael. dead bodies are awful. whose idea was it to show Quaddafi's body on television? He wasn't perfect but geez... scare the children.

@Andiliz, how is your walk with Christ?

@Gaias Child Hello

@Gwynneth Hola



Grateful: for my family.

[gaias child]

@silentscream Didn't like either picture of dead Michael. dead bodies are awful. whose idea was it to show Quaddafi's body on television? He wasn't perfect but geez... scare the children.

@Andiliz, how is your walk with Christ?

@Gaias Child Hello

@Gwynneth Hola



Grateful: for my family.

Hello. sunsoftatooine, cool user name, by the way, what does it mean?

[andiliz]

@silentscream Didn't like either picture of dead Michael. dead bodies are awful. whose idea was it to show Quaddafi's body on television? He wasn't perfect but geez... scare the children.

@Andiliz, how is your walk with Christ?

@Gaias Child Hello

@Gwynneth Hola



Grateful: for my family.
I'm doing well since I found Jesus. I wish I had become a Christian years ago. You are part of our online MJ family on here. XX

[pepsi78]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy4yq8VCjBs

There's a reason he was killed. He was starting to speak out against the NWO. He exposed the media and education system for being lies and propaganda and was trying to break away from the Satanic Music Industry. He was killed, just like Hendrix, Marley, JFK, and Lennon because someone with this much recognition could easily expose them. Any mainstream musician who promotes peace and unity instead of hatred and separation becomes a target. His doctor was also a freemason.


I was thinking of that ,even if he was sort of gay he did speak against them.
Not that I want to make fun, or talk crap about Michael, but I viewed him as a feminised man. He did talk crap about them, even in his music, songs with lirics like" they don't really care about you" or other messages.

He was a man who spoke against them but in a way acted in a manner that is not so great for an icon if it wants to set an exaple, he lived a material rich life, with expencive taste. He was talking about change but craved in a material rich world. If you want change over the world you got to embrace a change in you as the starting point I guess, change.

I remember the songs "make a change" by MJ and changes by 2pac.. they bolth got killed for promoting such things on the stage.
Here they are

1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Y9-JlSRXw


2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPhCkxiTps



Only things that can be promoted are child pornography and mental retardation. These are the things allowed, other than that if you speak crap then it's bad.

The only way is for people to get up and all talk crap about them, if all do it then they can't really do anything about it. But as I was saying don't just talk, talk is cheap....do something about it and set an example in your walking life.

[lovely one]

Yes...Michael was a rich man but he gave so much to charity and founded so many organizations for help, don"t ever forget that. He talked about the world today, he wanted to make ppl open their eyes but those speeches were never shown for the ppl and never will be.He absolutely had to be slammed and they riuned his reputation.
It was all well planned...a evil plan from hell.
But he was fighting so hard and he never gave up. He kept on smiling and caring for this ugly human race. Sometimes I wonder...where did he find the strenght ?!
Since all that false alegatons did not work..they had to take him down...physicaly.
I will never, never get over that. And if you just realize how easily he could have been saved...if it wasn"t for that bastard Murray. omfg

[silverwand]

Yes...Michael was a rich man but he gave so much to charity and founded so many organizations for help, don"t ever forget that. He talked about the world today, he wanted to make ppl open their eyes but those speeches were never shown for the ppl and never will be.He absolutely had to be slammed and they riuned his reputation.
It was all well planned...a evil plan from hell.
But he was fighting so hard and he never gave up. He kept on smiling and caring for this ugly human race. Sometimes I wonder...where did he find the strenght ?!
Since all that false alegatons did not work..they had to take him down...physicaly.
I will never, never get over that. And if you just realize how easily he could have been saved...if it wasn"t for that bastard Murray. omfg

I totally agree 100%

[lovely one]

This what happened to him is fucking unbelivable. If you just stop and think for a minute...what he had to endure.
And even now....he talked about building a big free hospital for children. What a soul. What a human being.It breaks my heart in pieces.
You have live-murder on TV ( Gadafi ) these days. That is disgusting. And you have ppl like MJ who wanted to change the world . Who wins ????????? Damn this world.

[lunar princess]

It's ok, I got what you meant :) I wasn't aware that Colony were in such poor shape financially. You're doing an amazing job with your research gaias...I've not seen many of the articles you've posted on the thread. I am learning alot.

I find the Neverland situation quite interesting, Michael said before that he never wished to live there again after 2005 but kept a stake in the property...I wonder what his intentions were for Neverland.

Another thing that is interesting is how Michael is always portrayed as a terrible businessman in the media, I've even encountered fans who've said the same. I thought he was quite an astute one really. Granted he had advisors and lawyers who weren't always working in his best interests but he is hardly to blame for that. But considering the prodution and management companies he'd set up over the years, buying the ATV catalogue when he did which is now worth millions of $'s more. Not to mention the property he owned that many are unaware of, surely he wasn't that terrible a businessman. Not only that but I couldn't imagine Michael getting into so much debt that he wouldn't be able to pay off, knowing that he was essentially eating into his childrens inheritance.

Remember Raymone Bain once said that Michael had told her 'My children and my finances are off limits (to the media)...let them think I'm broke.' or words to that effect. Makes me wonder what other investments Michael had and why he wanted people to think he was broke.

I believe he had debts of course, but not to the extent that he couldn't comfortably pay them off if needed.

Does anyone here think he was really in crippling debt and is it in tptb interest to make people think that?


Wow! The part about him "appearing" to be broke is something i have been seriously contemplating for a while now. ;)
Michael Jackson Broke? Come on! In addition to being a music whiz, the guy was a freaking business genius!
Why he would want to seem hopelessly broke? Quite simple actually.

Michael Jackson - Cash = Complete USELESSNESS to those money vampires that surrounded him. It was all about the money, and MJ knew that!

So what would be a good way to finally get those vampires off his back?

Making himself seem broke! Its simple, yet cunning solution.

[gwynned]

Wow! The part about him "appearing" to be broke is something i have been seriously contemplating for a while now. ;)
Michael Jackson Broke? Come on! In addition to being a music whiz, the guy was a freaking business genius!
Why he would want to seem hopelessly broke? Quite simple actually.

Michael Jackson - Cash = Complete USELESSNESS to those money vampires that surrounded him. It was all about the money, and MJ knew that!

So what would be a good way to finally get those vampires off his back?

Making himself seem broke! Its simple, yet cunning solution.

Yes, a very cunning solution, 'lunar princess' !!! Michael was a genius in so many ways. Your first post, I see!!! Welcome!

[lunar princess]

Or they filmed it because they knew he was gonna die and they wanted to rape his legacy.

Ditto. ^ :mad:

[lunar princess]

Why? it's not like he has any choice when it comes to dealing with these kind of people. He's as big as Jesus and God himself on this planet.

Saying that Michael is bigger than Jesus/God is really blasphemous! Remember, MJ was a really humble and God-fearing man, who never wanted to be appear greater than another person, much less God.

[tiger77]

Watch this:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[gwynned]

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-v0_bkKNA4

This might have made him a few enemies! Maybe he was just trying to draw them out. I can't help but think this all goes waaaaay back and he's not just talking about recent history.

[sunsoftatooine]

andiliz - :D You are kind. No one had any way of knowing that I was talking about my bio family when I wrote that. But, I saw God in your response. Thank you! It doesn't matter when you came to know the Lord, just that you did it. :) I'm glad things are well with you.

gaias child - My nick means it's real hot. ;) God bless you.

Lunar Princess - Welcome.

[sunsoftatooine]

Saying that Michael is bigger than Jesus/God is really blasphemous! Remember, MJ was a really humble and God-fearing man, who never wanted to be appear greater than another person, much less God.

I agree.

[gwynned]

Saying that Michael is bigger than Jesus/God is really blasphemous! Remember, MJ was a really humble and God-fearing man, who never wanted to be appear greater than another person, much less God.

I don't recall that anyone here said that.

[lunar princess]

Did you see V for Vendetta? This is a pivotal aspect of the overall hoax as there are many parallels between V and Michael. Whether you agree or disagree, for the moment, lets just assume this to be the case. Recall the comment from Evey's father and which V appreciated: Artists tell lies to reveal the truth; politicians to conceal it.'

I think this is key to the hoax which is in itself, if true as I suggest, a colosel lie. Once proven to be a lie, should MJ return, the lie would reveal the truth about the media which has been, of course, a lie all along. If the hoax is real, Michael would then be revealed as a master manipulator as he will have literally pulled the wool over the eyes of the (almost) entire planet.

Here's Teddy Riley. At about 4:50 he talks about how MJ LOVED controversy and at the VERY end, he says he beLIEves MJ is alive.

http://thatgrapejuice.net/2010/12/exclusive-teddy-riley-talks-michael-jackson-album-video/

When Michael Jackson died, I refused to believe it. I, along with millions of other fans, understandably, could not accept the fact that Michael, who played a huge part in all of our lives, was no longer here.

From that grief, it was easy for a lot of us to start believing that maybe, it was all a big joke, or hoax, and that Michael in fact, was alive!

Reluctant at first, I started watching all of the hoax videos and was unnerved by the eerie "coincidences" mentioned. Admittedly, I was almost 100% convinced that MJ was alive until SONY was shown to be involved with some of the "signs"! I mean, that just freaking killed it. :mad:

Of all things/people, SONY??! Nah, that if anything served to convince me 1000% that not only was Sony behind Michael's Murder, but they are also behind the "MJ Death Hoax" campaign to distract fans from really investigating into it, like Gaias Child mentioned.

Lastly, the V for Vendetta connection is undeniable. Personally, I believe that Michael definitely had some major influence on that movie.
But to use any of the movie's lines or characters for the purpose of the "Hoax" is ironic, because after everything "V" does in the movie, fighting against tyrants and never giving in, he dies at the end. Honorably so, like Michael.

[gwynned]

Lastly, the V for Vendetta connection is undeniable. Personally, I believe that Michael definitely had some major influence on that movie.
But to use any of the movie's lines or characters for the purpose of the "Hoax" is ironic, because after everything "V" does in the movie, fighting against tyrants and never giving in, he dies at the end. Honorably so, like Michael.

Are we SURE he dies at the end? THis is Hollywood after all! Great movies always require a sequel.

[lovely one]

I must say I was a strong believer. Because he had every right to do it, becuse he was allways fighting for better world and he wanted ppl to open their eyes. And by doing so, ha made a LOT of enemies. I must say, those heartbreaking pictures did it for me.
But...I still wanna believe, you know.

[andiliz]

Saying that Michael is bigger than Jesus/God is really blasphemous! Remember, MJ was a really humble and God-fearing man, who never wanted to be appear greater than another person, much less God.
I agree. Michael Jackson was a very humble man. It is wrong of people to 'worship' Michael or to put him up as some sort of 'icon' or 'idol' to 'idolize' him, to put him on a 'pedestal' and to have 'statues' of him is all wrong in my view. He was just a man called Mike he defo wasn't God or Jesus Christ!
I don't even like to call Michael the 'King of Pop' because to me the true 'King' is Lord Jesus Christ and there is no other true King but Jesus who is 'King of Kings' and 'Lord of Lords'.
Michael had such a tragic, such a painful, lonely life he was used and abused nearly his whole life. I wish Michael had NEVER become famous and he could of lived out his days in peace back in Gary, Indiana where he was from and had a normal life. I believe Michael was abused very badly when he was a child he was abused in so many ways and I believe he was also the victim of mind control and was programmed. The kinds of films Michael liked are all films used in programming and mind control.

[lunar princess]

Thank you. I've added to what I wrote in my previous post on here. I'm looking into a good church I can be part of at the moment.

Television host/stand-up comedian 'Jay Leno' and actor/comedian 'Chris Tucker' definitely did testify in Michael Jackson's trial in 2005. So I think Bonnie Cox is maybe wrong about Chris Tucker not being a true friend to Michael Jackson and I think Chris Tucker's ex-girlfriend Azja Pryor was also a true friend to Michael Jackson. I think Chris Tucker is also a Christian.

Did Brett Ratner testify in the 2005 trial?

If you're really serious about that, then maybe you can check out the Fundamentals and Doctrines of the True Jesus Church. All of their core beliefs are ripped straight from the Bible, and all things are based on the Word of God and Salvation through through our only Savior, Jesus Christ! :)

Check Out Link! http://www.tjc.org/landing.aspx

[wolf of the stars]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Ilq7oYgto&feature=related

Amazing documentary, exposing Bashir's lies. I'm sorry if it's been posted here before. I haven't read the whole thread, yet.

Michael was so normal , it's heartbreaking what happened to him . But that's usually the case : good people get the hardest time in our world , it's too much too take for some. :rolleyes: ...

[andiliz]

Dr. Conrad Robert Murray's conviction for the involuntary manslaughter of Michael Jackson could result in a maximum of four years in prison, but it's possible that the doctor may not go to prison:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/conrad-murray-verdict-prison/story?id=14902442#.TrldrPR35wc

[andiliz]

If you're really serious about that, then maybe you can check out the Fundamentals and Doctrines of the True Jesus Church. All of their core beliefs are ripped straight from the Bible, and all things are based on the Word of God and Salvation through through our only Savior, Jesus Christ! :)

Check Out Link! http://www.tjc.org/landing.aspx
I am serious about being a born again Christian. I go to church now but I haven't heard of that church so thank you for the link.

[lovely one]

I have two question if someone can answer me, please.
In the Murray verdict it says : ALLEGED victim Michael Jackson and ALLEGED day 25.6 2009. Is that common when sentencing someone for a crime ?
And. I am very interested - did David Icke said anything specific about Michael Jackson so far ?

[gwynned]

I have two question if someone can answer me, please.
In the Murray verdict it says : ALLEGED victim Michael Jackson and ALLEGED day 25.6 2009. Is that common when sentencing someone for a crime ?
And. I am very interested - did David Icke said anything specific about Michael Jackson so far ?

My guess is that David is not allowed to say much about this matter.

[lovely one]

^^^
Why is that ??????
And what about my other question ?

[gwynned]

^^^
Why is that ??????
And what about my other question ?

Second question first. NO, courts do not say 'alleged' victim or 'alleged' date. Note that the Seal of the State of California normally has 31 stars. The one in the courtroom has 32. The whole thing is a fraud.

If Michael has pulled off this hoax to teach the world and the media a lesson, he had to have had help and lots of it. And every participant would have had to have signed a non disclosure agreement of some sort to prevent any unplanned leaks of information. Is David Icke a participant? I'm not sure. He may just be aware of the hoax and unwilling to break the silence on the subject.

This may seem like a strange thing to say, but some months ago, Ben Fulford was on the Jeff Rense show and he mentioned that there were people of wealth and good intentions out there who were willing to help. Rense asked for examples and Fulford mentioned Michael. He barely got the next sentence out when Rense interrupted him and changed the subject to something completely different, promising to return to MJ later in the hour. They never did.

I felt at the time that Fulford slipped either accidentally or deliberately and Rense stepped in quickly to make sure the discussion went no further. I later sent an email directly to Ben and asked if he thought Michael was alive and his response was that the Illuminati killed Michael Jackson, for what that's worth.

Let's face it. The Michael Jackson death makes no sense at all. He was the greatest superstar of all time and there is virtually NO discussion of the bizarre circumstances surrounding his death on these forums. Dead or alive, this could be the conspiracy of the century. Why is no one talking about it?

[lovely one]

Wow....I did not know about 31 or 32 stars. But that ALLEGED was very strange.
It can be....you know, when ppl don"t see what is before their eyes ?
Your answer is very informative, thank you.
I do have one more question for you :)....how do you explain those autopsy photos ?
They bother me a lot.

[divineshadow]

Nimmer's Murray Trial Report 9 - YouTube

[hell_no]

I have two question if someone can answer me, please.
In the Murray verdict it says : ALLEGED victim Michael Jackson and ALLEGED day 25.6 2009. Is that common when sentencing someone for a crime ?
And. I am very interested - did David Icke said anything specific about Michael Jackson so far ?


Here you can find your answer:
http://www.lawguru.com/legal-questions/-/conrad-murray-case-verdict-michael-119617113/a

[gwynned]

Here you can find your answer:
http://www.lawguru.com/legal-questions/-/conrad-murray-case-verdict-michael-119617113/a

The answer makes no sense and is not used in other verdicts.

[gwynned]

Wow....I did not know about 31 or 32 stars. But that ALLEGED was very strange.
It can be....you know, when ppl don"t see what is before their eyes ?
Your answer is very informative, thank you.
I do have one more question for you :)....how do you explain those autopsy photos ?
They bother me a lot.

Sorry to take so long to get back to you. The first thing wrong with them is the clarity of the photos. If they were truly autopsy photos taken for a legal reason, you would have to think they would be clear and detailed and they are not.

Further, Michael's left are in one of them seems to have been dislodged from his shoulder and placed a foot or so below, given the position of the elbow. In that same photo, his legs are ridiculously short and Michael had long legs. The date on one fo them is incorrect.

In other words, there are so many things wrong with these photos, it's hard to imagine anyone taking them seriously.

[lovely one]

^^Thanks.
Yes...I heard the word ALLEGEd in opening statements in the trial, when nothing is proven.
Never in a verdict.

[hell_no]

And why are you so sure about that?

[andiliz]

Do people have any new info in what happened to Michael Jackson?

[andiliz]

Second question first. NO, courts do not say 'alleged' victim or 'alleged' date. Note that the Seal of the State of California normally has 31 stars. The one in the courtroom has 32. The whole thing is a fraud.

If Michael has pulled off this hoax to teach the world and the media a lesson, he had to have had help and lots of it. And every participant would have had to have signed a non disclosure agreement of some sort to prevent any unplanned leaks of information. Is David Icke a participant? I'm not sure. He may just be aware of the hoax and unwilling to break the silence on the subject.

This may seem like a strange thing to say, but some months ago, Ben Fulford was on the Jeff Rense show and he mentioned that there were people of wealth and good intentions out there who were willing to help. Rense asked for examples and Fulford mentioned Michael. He barely got the next sentence out when Rense interrupted him and changed the subject to something completely different, promising to return to MJ later in the hour. They never did.

I felt at the time that Fulford slipped either accidentally or deliberately and Rense stepped in quickly to make sure the discussion went no further. I later sent an email directly to Ben and asked if he thought Michael was alive and his response was that the Illuminati killed Michael Jackson, for what that's worth.

Let's face it. The Michael Jackson death makes no sense at all. He was the greatest superstar of all time and there is virtually NO discussion of the bizarre circumstances surrounding his death on these forums. Dead or alive, this could be the conspiracy of the century. Why is no one talking about it?
I think Michael Jackson is dead. But there are so many strange things around his death. The elite must of been planning this stuff for years. And how much do the Jackson family know about what really went on?

[gwynned]

I think Michael Jackson is dead. But there are so many strange things around his death. The elite must of been planning this stuff for years. And how much do the Jackson family know about what really went on?

If they were planning it for years, why would they make such obvious errors like using the term 'alleged' in reference to the victim, something for which there is NO precedent. Whoever wrote this script wanted us to see the errors, but people are too blinded they can't see.

[lovely one]

I hear the explanation that the document was written BEFORE the verdict, so that is why the words ALLEGED were used. That is ridicolous even for me and I am not a law expert.
I don"t know.....considering what Michael used to say years before..how much symbolysm he used all around....it would be possible for him to do it.
I know for a fact that he allways wanted to know how the world would react. Sometimes I am 100% sure he is alive.
I remember when he announced TII , I had a strange, very strange feeling. I never expirienced something like that before and I love him and follow his carrier for 30 years.
And one more strange thing:
on my national TV was a woman , a phsycic ( her name is Vera Cudina ). It was april 2009. A reporter asked about MJ..what his year will be like. She did not say anything for about 20 seconds and then, with a puzzeling look on her face she said :
" It will all depend on him and him alone. " Reporter asked her what does that mean and she said : " I really can"t say no more ". Very strange.
She is not some kind of a freak....she guessd a lot of big things so far.
Her prediction can be seen in a lot of ways, but it is strange.

[andiliz]

If they were planning it for years, why would they make such obvious errors like using the term 'alleged' in reference to the victim, something for which there is NO precedent. Whoever wrote this script wanted us to see the errors, but people are too blinded they can't see.
Yes I agree that they wanted us to see the errors and the soft toys in the court room. But that still doesn't mean that Michael Jackson is still alive. Hollywood is a very strange place. I find this video interesting Larry Geller is related to Uri Geller.
LunaJo67's Channel - YouTube

[lovely one]

Whatever the truth is....I love you , Mike.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2468/michael2001michaeljacks.jpg

[divineshadow]

http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/inside-secrets-goldman-deal-22479?page=0,0

[johnnyk]

http://i40.tinypic.com/24oxggm.jpg

[andiliz]

Whatever the truth is....I love you , Mike.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2468/michael2001michaeljacks.jpg
I love you Michael Jackson so much too with all my heart.

[gwynned]

I love you Michael Jackson so much too with all my heart.

That's something we can certainly agree on. To Michael!!!

[andiliz]

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/hollywood-s-most-bizarre-conspiracy-theories.html
This article doesn't focus on Michael Jackson but it's quite interesting.

[andiliz]

Joe Jackson (the father of Michael Jackson) will be releasing a documentary next year, entitled, "Confessions of a Father". Michael Jackson is one of the most successful artists of all-time, and he remains the 'King of Pop'.

The documentary is produced by Johnny West and George Paige. According to a report by UPI, George Paige said of the documentary: "For the first time, Joe Jackson lifts the veil and airs the dirty laundry, like it or not. If you think you know the Jackson history, think again."

Since Michael Jackson passed away in 2009, and Conrad Murray has been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in his death, there have been many reports, and there is much interest in all things associated with the 'King of Pop', as he is one of the all-time most successful entertainers. Michael Jackson has fans around the world, and his legacy is very much alive through his music, and innovation in dance.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Michael Jackson's dad Joe Jackson to release Confessions of a Father documentary - National Jackson family | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/jackson-family-in-national/michael-jackson-s-dad-joe-jackson-to-release-confessions-of-a-father-documentary#ixzz1fgBOkLo1

[andiliz]

People haven't been posting much on this thread lets keep this thread going!

[lovely one]

People haven't been posting much on this thread lets keep this thread going!

Yeah.....sometimes I am just numb.
I miss Michael. I was watching Paris on Ellen...what do you think about PPB being so much in public eye ? idk
I guess it was expected. But, however...Paris is a gorgeous girl, very well raised and well spoken.
It seems that they will really folow Michael"s footsteps. Just let them be aware of a dirty Hollywood.

[gwynned]

Yeah.....sometimes I am just numb.
I miss Michael. I was watching Paris on Ellen...what do you think about PPB being so much in public eye ? idk
I guess it was expected. But, however...Paris is a gorgeous girl, very well raised and well spoken.
It seems that they will really folow Michael"s footsteps. Just let them be aware of a dirty Hollywood.

I am sure they are VERY aware of the dark side of Hollywood. What I am appreciating is how well they reflect on their dad and how well adjusted, confident and happy they seem. I don't think anyone could suggest otherwise, even the haters.

They say an apple does not fall far from the tree..... If Michael were such a monster or bizarre character, how then explain the behavior of his three children?

[lovely one]

Right. But some say that they turned OK despite the way they were raised....
I honestly wonder why all the hate ????? If you look at Michael - he never did wrong...he really cared about this shity world and wanted to make it better.
I mean, I know that it is possible - but why was he ridiculed so much , why in the world they did anything possible to bring him down ?! Unbelivable.
I love him since 1982 and I have witnessed the change in the media. In the 80"es - Michael was THE KING. He was on top of the world. Even in the media. Then , slowly - things started to change. Why ? Because he was like no one before. He was the king of the world. And imagine - he was bringing peace and love. Of course he had to be ruined.
As much as I believe Michael tought them well......his beautiful kids could be in danger, also.

[andiliz]

Yeah.....sometimes I am just numb.
I miss Michael. I was watching Paris on Ellen...what do you think about PPB being so much in public eye ? idk
I guess it was expected. But, however...Paris is a gorgeous girl, very well raised and well spoken.
It seems that they will really folow Michael"s footsteps. Just let them be aware of a dirty Hollywood.
I'm not sure Michael would want his daughter Paris in the spotlight so young. Paris Jackson is a gorgeous girl though as you say intelligent, well spoken, kind very well brought up!

[lovely one]

Her Twitter pictures are all over and all kind of people are commenting them.
I am sure Michael would not want THAT.
If I was responsible for those kids , I would not allow her to be on those " social networks " so much. idk
I have my own issues with fb , so......

[divineshadow]

http://www.facebook.com/notes/arnold-w-klein/skin-popping-propofol/335147169832152

[lovely one]

On some other boards there are Paris"s tweets about the Illuminati and her father. I don"t know what to think about her going out in the open like this....
Could she be in danger ? But it is good that she has an open mind about the stuff. What will become of all this ?
She is making a movie about saving this planet and talking about a conspiracy.

One question.....is Michael"s name ingraved on his grave yet ?

[indigoxo]

I think a lot of the Jackson family think there was a conspiracy to kill Michael. La Toya doesn't hide this. Also we can see from Michael's nieces and nephews Randy jr., Donte, Genevieve, Jaafar that they believe in many various 'conspiracies', like such that are posted on this forum... chemtrails, hollow earth, illuminati, etc. Donte has actually posted David Icke videos on this twitter and tumblr. Out of them, Genevieve and Randy jr. have tweeted that Conrad Murray is only the beginning of the people who should go down for the death of Michael, and hinted at conspiracy. Jaafar has explicitly pointed to the 'illuminati', last year or the year before he posted a YouTube video stating the illuminati killed Michael Jackson.

And yes, let's talk about PARIS..she tweets about the illuminati often, and on both her official twitter, and the one her and her friend set up (parisjfacts) she has talked about KNOWING the illuminati killed her dad. someone asked her a question about it and used the word 'think' , the reply was that she doesn't 'think' it she KNOWS it. She favourited one of Omer Bhatti's tweets (realobee) that 4 years isn't enough for that coward. Why did obee use the word 'coward'? He believes Murray was used as a pawn and isn't exposing the truth? Has anyone seen Paris's Illuminati-related drawings that she posts on her instagram? This girl has beliefs and isn't afraid to put them out into the open. I'm quite worried for her in a number of ways... she will be mocked & deemed crazy... and possibly on the other side, her life could be in danger.

I don't know if there was a conspiracy involved in Michael's death or if the 'illuminati' was involved, but I know he spoke about conspiracies against him and was in fear of his and his kids lives. He thought he was going to be murdered. At some point he didn't eat or even drink for fear he would be poisoned... he was hospitalised because of this.

[gwynned]

I think a lot of the Jackson family think there was a conspiracy to kill Michael. La Toya doesn't hide this. Also we can see from Michael's nieces and nephews Randy jr., Donte, Genevieve, Jaafar that they believe in many various 'conspiracies', like such that are posted on this forum... chemtrails, hollow earth, illuminati, etc. Donte has actually posted David Icke videos on this twitter and tumblr. Out of them, Genevieve and Randy jr. have tweeted that Conrad Murray is only the beginning of the people who should go down for the death of Michael, and hinted at conspiracy. Jaafar has explicitly pointed to the 'illuminati', last year or the year before he posted a YouTube video stating the illuminati killed Michael Jackson.

And yes, let's talk about PARIS..she tweets about the illuminati often, and on both her official twitter, and the one her and her friend set up (parisjfacts) she has talked about KNOWING the illuminati killed her dad. someone asked her a question about it and used the word 'think' , the reply was that she doesn't 'think' it she knows it. Has anyone seen Paris's Illuminati-related drawings that she posts on her instagram? This girl has beliefs and isn't afraid to put them out into the open. I'm quite worried for her in a number of ways... she will be mocked & deemed crazy... and possibly on the other side, her life could be in danger.

I don't know if there was a conspiracy involved in Michael's death or if the 'illuminati' was involved, but I know he spoke about conspiracies against him and was in fear of his and his kids lives. He thought he was going to be murdered. At some point he didn't eat or even drink for fear he would be poisoned... he was hospitalised because of this.

Your first post, I see!

While the Illuminati might have killed the Pop Star, they did not kill The Man, though they may have wanted to, whoever 'they' are.

Why do you think Michael removed the masks from his kids 2 weeks before he disappeared.....I mean 'died.'? If Paris were really concerned with the Illuminati, why does she always seem so relaxed and happy? I never see the least bit of anger or hurt on her face. In fact, she looks more like the cat who swallowed the mouse.

[lovely one]

True. I wish you would elaborate on your opinions more...they are very interesting. Tell us more, please ! :)
Anyway...it is quite significant that Michael told Paris more than once : If something happens to me...etc.
People who are seeing Michael as a super star who got cought in drug addictions and died because of it should really digg deeper.
If nothing else , listen to his own words. Yes, there is a chance Paris will be called a looney. All ppl that think for themselves are called that.
Remember that ppl who said Earth is round were ridiculed at one point...:)
So, who knows. There are so many shit going on and I do worry : will the truth come out ? When ? I hope one day.
My brain is about to explode because of MJ...I remember when Dangerous came out in 1991, I guess hardly anything was spoken about Illuminati and secret societies and stuff, am I right ? At least , not in the open.
Just look at the cover of that album. MJ surely had a VISION:

[andiliz]

I think a lot of the Jackson family think there was a conspiracy to kill Michael. La Toya doesn't hide this. Also we can see from Michael's nieces and nephews Randy jr., Donte, Genevieve, Jaafar that they believe in many various 'conspiracies', like such that are posted on this forum... chemtrails, hollow earth, illuminati, etc. Donte has actually posted David Icke videos on this twitter and tumblr. Out of them, Genevieve and Randy jr. have tweeted that Conrad Murray is only the beginning of the people who should go down for the death of Michael, and hinted at conspiracy. Jaafar has explicitly pointed to the 'illuminati', last year or the year before he posted a YouTube video stating the illuminati killed Michael Jackson.

And yes, let's talk about PARIS..she tweets about the illuminati often, and on both her official twitter, and the one her and her friend set up (parisjfacts) she has talked about KNOWING the illuminati killed her dad. someone asked her a question about it and used the word 'think' , the reply was that she doesn't 'think' it she KNOWS it. She favourited one of Omer Bhatti's tweets (realobee) that 4 years isn't enough for that coward. Why did obee use the word 'coward'? He believes Murray was used as a pawn and isn't exposing the truth? Has anyone seen Paris's Illuminati-related drawings that she posts on her instagram? This girl has beliefs and isn't afraid to put them out into the open. I'm quite worried for her in a number of ways... she will be mocked & deemed crazy... and possibly on the other side, her life could be in danger.

I don't know if there was a conspiracy involved in Michael's death or if the 'illuminati' was involved, but I know he spoke about conspiracies against him and was in fear of his and his kids lives. He thought he was going to be murdered. At some point he didn't eat or even drink for fear he would be poisoned... he was hospitalised because of this.
You might be interested in this link:
http://mindcontrolblackassassins.wordpress.com/category/janet-jackson/

[gaias child]

I think a lot of the Jackson family think there was a conspiracy to kill Michael. La Toya doesn't hide this. Also we can see from Michael's nieces and nephews Randy jr., Donte, Genevieve, Jaafar that they believe in many various 'conspiracies', like such that are posted on this forum... chemtrails, hollow earth, illuminati, etc. Donte has actually posted David Icke videos on this twitter and tumblr. Out of them, Genevieve and Randy jr. have tweeted that Conrad Murray is only the beginning of the people who should go down for the death of Michael, and hinted at conspiracy. Jaafar has explicitly pointed to the 'illuminati', last year or the year before he posted a YouTube video stating the illuminati killed Michael Jackson.

And yes, let's talk about PARIS..she tweets about the illuminati often, and on both her official twitter, and the one her and her friend set up (parisjfacts) she has talked about KNOWING the illuminati killed her dad. someone asked her a question about it and used the word 'think' , the reply was that she doesn't 'think' it she KNOWS it. She favourited one of Omer Bhatti's tweets (realobee) that 4 years isn't enough for that coward. Why did obee use the word 'coward'? He believes Murray was used as a pawn and isn't exposing the truth? Has anyone seen Paris's Illuminati-related drawings that she posts on her instagram? This girl has beliefs and isn't afraid to put them out into the open. I'm quite worried for her in a number of ways... she will be mocked & deemed crazy... and possibly on the other side, her life could be in danger.

I don't know if there was a conspiracy involved in Michael's death or if the 'illuminati' was involved, but I know he spoke about conspiracies against him and was in fear of his and his kids lives. He thought he was going to be murdered. At some point he didn't eat or even drink for fear he would be poisoned... he was hospitalised because of this.

Hi Indigoxo

welcome to this thread, thank you very much for your excellent and interesting post.

I did not know that about paris, very enlightening.

[hell_no]

True. I wish you would elaborate on your opinions more...they are very interesting. Tell us more, please ! :)
Anyway...it is quite significant that Michael told Paris more than once : If something happens to me...etc.
People who are seeing Michael as a super star who got cought in drug addictions and died because of it should really digg deeper.
If nothing else , listen to his own words. Yes, there is a chance Paris will be called a looney. All ppl that think for themselves are called that.
Remember that ppl who said Earth is round were ridiculed at one point...:)
So, who knows. There are so many shit going on and I do worry : will the truth come out ? When ? I hope one day.
My brain is about to explode because of MJ...I remember when Dangerous came out in 1991, I guess hardly anything was spoken about Illuminati and secret societies and stuff, am I right ? At least , not in the open.
Just look at the cover of that album. MJ surely had a VISION:

In the 80ies illuminati was already a theme in the movie and music industry .
Off course Michael Jackson was aware of the symbolism on that albumcover. Apparently he liked that art on the cover and agreed on it.
And Dangerous is not the only album with symbolism.

[andiliz]

Bonnie Cox wrote this on her blog http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/ :

'Souza' I think, is the one that runs the MJDH forum. I don’t know enough about her/him, but when I had learned in mid 2010 that it was a Sony-set up forum, I stopped letting their links on my blog. I don’t believe 'Souza' has ever said anything derogatory about me personally (I could be wrong), but I do know that there have been negative comments about this blog on that site. There have also been some positive ones.

The point of being a witness is to reach out to people. If they attack you, keep doing what you’re doing (Michael is a great example of this . . . THE example).

I don’t have the authority to question the authenticity of her post, but I want to include a link to it here because as she states in this post, she is someone who previously did not believe in God. She tells the story better so I will let her do it.

This is why we do what we do. I hope 'Souza', in reaching out to the possibility of God by following Michael’s faith, finds the love that Michael found in God, and realizes where Michael’s love came from all along. His strength is from God and that ability to love, you now see the threat he is to them.

Source, doubledutchblogs, walkbyfaith:
http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/for-we-walk-by-faith-not-by-sight/

[andiliz]

There have been a number of strange, suspicious deaths of people connected to Michael Jackson since his own death/murder such as:

1. Evan Chandler. (born Evan Robert Charmatz) (January 25, 1944 - November 5, 2009) was an American screenwriter and dentist, and was best known as accuser to Michael Jackson. In 1993, Evan Chandler accused Michael Jackson of molesting his son Jordan Chandler after his son told him of the allegations while under the influence of sodium amytal,also known to "induce false memory syndrome",during some surgery.

2. Bruce Ayers.
Bruce - Worked for three years as Dr. Arnold Klein's research assistant and confidant, was found dead on a sidewalk on December 18th 2009 in Los Angeles. Dr. Arnold Klein was Michael Jackson's dermatologist.

3. Peter Lopez.
Peter - Was an entertainment lawyer who represented Michael Jackson (and was Catherine Bach's husband). Peter Lopez died of a gunshot wound at his home in California. On April 30, 2010, 60 year old Peter Lopez was found shot dead - an apparent suicide or was he murdered?

4. Sulema and Jerrielle Wilborn.
Sulema and Jerriell - Legal Clinic volunteers for Tom Mesereau, Michael’s attorney during the 2005 trial. Gangland style shooting. Both her and her husband killed, car crashing into a pole on August 4th, 2010 in South Los Angeles. Source: http://projects.latimes.com/homicide...ulema-wilborn/

5. Ronni Chasen. (October 17, 1946 – November 16, 2010) was an American publicist, who once represented such actors as Michael Douglas and I think at one time represented Michael Jackson, or was connected to Michael Jackson in some way? Ronni Chasen was shot in Beverly Hills on November 16th, 2010, at approximately 12:28 a.m., as she was driving home from the Hollywood premiere of the film "Burlesque".

6. Corey Haim. (December 23, 1971 – March 10, 2010) who was a Canadian actor, known for a 1980s Hollywood career as a teen idol. Corey was at one time friends with Michael Jackson for a while.

7. Dame Elizabeth Taylor, DBE. (February 27, 1932 – March 23, 2011) was a very famous British-American actress/movie star/child star and a close friend of Michael Jackson. (Not sure if Elizabeth Taylor's death is suspicious?)

8. Frank DiLeo. (October 23, 1947 – August 24, 2011) was an Italian-American music industry executive and actor, known for his portrayal of gangster Tuddy Cicero in Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas. For five years in the late 1980s, and again in 2009, he was Michael Jackson's manager.

9. Dwight Arrington Myers. (May 24, 1967 – November 8, 2011), better known as "Heavy D", was a Jamaican-born American rapper, record producer, singer, actor, and former leader of "Heavy D & the Boyz", a hip hop group which included G-Whiz (Glen Parrish), "Trouble" T. Roy (Troy Dixon), and Eddie F (born Edward Ferrell). The group maintained a sizable audience in the United States through most of the 1990s. The five albums the group released were produced by Teddy Riley, Marley Marl, his cousin Pete Rock and Eddie F. The bridge of Michael Jackson's song "Jam" features a rap performed by Heavy D, which is on Michael Jackson's 1991 "Dangerous" album. (Not sure if Heavy D's death is suspicious?)

[silverwand]

There have been a number of strange deaths of people connected to Michael Jackson since his own death/murder such as:

1. Evan Chandler.

2. Bruce Ayers.
Bruce - Worked for three years as Dr. Arnold Klein's research assistant and confidant, was found dead on a sidewalk on December 18th 2009 in Los Angeles. Dr. Arnold Klein was Michael Jackson's dermatologist.

3. Peter Lopez.
Peter - Was an entertainment lawyer who represented Michael Jackson.

4. Sulema and Jerrielle Wilborn.
Sulema and Jerrielle - Legal Clinic volunteers for Tom Mesereau, Michael’s attorney during the 2005 trial. Gangland style shooting. Both her and her husband killed, car crashing into a pole on August 4, 2010. Source http://projects.latimes.com/homicide...ulema-wilborn/

5. Ronni Chasen.

6. Corey Haim. (December 23, 1971 – March 10, 2010) who was a Canadian actor, known for a 1980s Hollywood career as a teen idol.

7. Dame Elizabeth Taylor, DBE. (February 27, 1932 – March 23, 2011) was a very famous British-American actress/movie star/child star and a close friend of Michael Jackson. (Not sure if Elizabeth Taylor's death is suspicious?)

8. Frank DiLeo. (October 23, 1947 – August 24, 2011) was an Italian-American music industry executive and actor, known for his portrayal of gangster Tuddy Cicero in Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas. For five years in the late 1980s, and again in 2009, he was Michael Jackson's manager.

9. Dwight Arrington Myers. (May 24, 1967 – November 8, 2011), better known as "Heavy D", was a Jamaican-born American rapper, record producer, singer, actor, and former leader of "Heavy D & the Boyz", a hip hop group which included G-Whiz (Glen Parrish), "Trouble" T. Roy (Troy Dixon), and Eddie F (born Edward Ferrell). The group maintained a sizable audience in the United States through most of the 1990s. The five albums the group released were produced by Teddy Riley, Marley Marl, his cousin Pete Rock and Eddie F. (Not sure if Heavy D's death is suspicious?)

This is Jordan's father isn't it? he was a dentist, some say he was behind the first round of abuse allegations against MJ 'cos he was jealous of MJ and I think I read somewhere that MJ wouldn't help him out with his entertainment career or something like that. He apparently killed himself within six months after Michael's death didn't he? Shot himself and didn't leave a suicide note.

[andiliz]

This is Jordan's father isn't it? he was a dentist, some say he was behind the first round of abuse allegations against MJ 'cos he was jealous of MJ and I think I read somewhere that MJ wouldn't help him out with his entertainment career or something like that. He apparently killed himself within six months after Michael's death didn't he? Shot himself and didn't leave a suicide note.
Yes Evan Chandler is Jordan Chandler's father. Evan Chandler (born Evan Robert Charmatz) (January 25, 1944 - November 5, 2009) was an American screenwriter and dentist, and was best known as accuser to Michael Jackson. In 1993, Evan Chandler accused Michael Jackson of molesting his son Jordan Chandler after his son told him of the allegations while under the influence of sodium amytal,also known to "induce false memory syndrome",during some surgery.
Evan Chandler may of been killed it might not of been suicide.

[andiliz]

LANCASTER — The Maharishi Ayurveda Health Center, a landmark 217-acre gated property that once attracted celebrities such as Elizabeth Taylor, George Hamilton, Michael Jackson and George Harrison, is for sale.
See link: http://www.telegram.com/article/20111207/NEWS/112079969/1002/RSS01&source=rss

[andiliz]

The people who wanted Michael Jackson dead. What do people make of this You Tube video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x11MTY2FeMU#!

[andiliz]

There have been a number of strange, suspicious deaths of people connected to Michael Jackson since his own death/murder such as:

1. Evan Chandler. (born Evan Robert Charmatz) (January 25, 1944 - November 5, 2009) was an American screenwriter and dentist, and was best known as accuser to Michael Jackson. In 1993, Evan Chandler accused Michael Jackson of molesting his son Jordan Chandler after his son told him of the allegations while under the influence of sodium amytal,also known to "induce false memory syndrome",during some surgery.

2. Bruce Ayers.
Bruce - Worked for three years as Dr. Arnold Klein's research assistant and confidant, was found dead on a sidewalk on December 18th 2009 in Los Angeles. Dr. Arnold Klein was Michael Jackson's dermatologist.

3. Peter Lopez.
Peter - Was an entertainment lawyer who represented Michael Jackson (and was Catherine Bach's husband). Peter Lopez died of a gunshot wound at his home in California. On April 30, 2010, 60 year old Peter Lopez was found shot dead - an apparent suicide or was he murdered?

4. Sulema and Jerrielle Wilborn.
Sulema and Jerriell - Legal Clinic volunteers for Tom Mesereau, Michael’s attorney during the 2005 trial. Gangland style shooting. Both her and her husband killed, car crashing into a pole on August 4th, 2010 in South Los Angeles. Source: http://projects.latimes.com/homicide...ulema-wilborn/

5. Ronni Chasen. (October 17, 1946 – November 16, 2010) was an American publicist, who once represented such actors as Michael Douglas and I think at one time represented Michael Jackson, or was connected to Michael Jackson in some way? Ronni Chasen was shot in Beverly Hills on November 16th, 2010, at approximately 12:28 a.m., as she was driving home from the Hollywood premiere of the film "Burlesque".

6. Corey Haim. (December 23, 1971 – March 10, 2010) who was a Canadian actor, known for a 1980s Hollywood career as a teen idol. Corey was at one time friends with Michael Jackson for a while.

7. Dame Elizabeth Taylor, DBE. (February 27, 1932 – March 23, 2011) was a very famous British-American actress/movie star/child star and a close friend of Michael Jackson. (Not sure if Elizabeth Taylor's death is suspicious?)

8. Frank DiLeo. (October 23, 1947 – August 24, 2011) was an Italian-American music industry executive and actor, known for his portrayal of gangster Tuddy Cicero in Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas. For five years in the late 1980s, and again in 2009, he was Michael Jackson's manager.

9. Dwight Arrington Myers. (May 24, 1967 – November 8, 2011), better known as "Heavy D", was a Jamaican-born American rapper, record producer, singer, actor, and former leader of "Heavy D & the Boyz", a hip hop group which included G-Whiz (Glen Parrish), "Trouble" T. Roy (Troy Dixon), and Eddie F (born Edward Ferrell). The group maintained a sizable audience in the United States through most of the 1990s. The five albums the group released were produced by Teddy Riley, Marley Marl, his cousin Pete Rock and Eddie F. The bridge of Michael Jackson's song "Jam" features a rap performed by Heavy D, which is on Michael Jackson's 1991 "Dangerous" album. (Not sure if Heavy D's death is suspicious?)
Does anyone knows of any other suspicious deaths which have a connection to Michael Jackson and that have happened since Michael Jackson's death/murder?? I would be interested to hear peoples views.

[andiliz]

"Etta James" (born Jamesetta Hawkins; January 25, 1938 – January 20, 2012) was an American singer whose style spanned a variety of music genres including blues, rhythm and blues, rock and roll, soul, gospel and jazz. Starting her career in the mid 1950s, she gained fame with hits such as "Dance With Me, Henry", "At Last", "Tell Mama", and "I'd Rather Go Blind" for which she claimed she wrote the lyrics.

[trixie]

Does anyone knows of any other suspicious deaths which have a connection to Michael Jackson and that have happened since Michael Jackson's death/murder?? I would be interested to hear peoples views.

Relating to Evan Chandler, I just watched an old dateline special from about 2004, they interviewed Ray Chandler for his book & he said Evan was ill at that time.

Now in a recent special that aired on In Session about MJ, Diane Dimond said that Evan Chandler had this disease that was leaving him without basic functions, according to this article called Gaucher's disease. I don't remember her precise words about Evan, try to recheck.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1229622/Killed-curse-Michael-Jackson-What-drove-father-Jordy-Chandler-gun-head.html

What could be strange is if he had this debilitating disease, why would he be having a ton of cosmetic surgery, botox, etc? It could have been earlier I suppose.

Evan Chandler committed suicide! - YouTube

Different reports describe the scene as gruesome, grisly.

He was also reported by DD as being bipolar.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1229622/Killed-curse-Michael-Jackson-What-drove-father-Jordy-Chandler-gun-head.html

Noone went to his funeral & it was reported he was cremated.

I find his death quite odd.

[edelweiss pirate]

A lot of school kids have got into conspiracy research because of the videos made by a few researchers about Jackson being murdered by the Illuminati.

Here in Oman all the kids are clued up on most of the stuff we all talk about.

It's fucking amazing.

If we don't change things then the next generation will.


Good times ahead. Every school in the UK and across the world is majority full of conspiracy theorists.

[lovely one]

I love him and I miss him and I want so much for him to be alive.
But...the conspiracy rumors are taking so long now and I believe they will never stop.
I wonder ( at least I never heard ) why the Jacksons never said anything to stop this ? They know what is going on and it seems they were feeding it.
For what reason ?
Controversy ? Money ?
I mean...if MJ was my brother , or a son , and he is really gone , and I am grieving..I would make a public statement.

[truthodare]

Not if you were mind controlled not to you wouldn't.

[gaias child]

I love him and I miss him and I want so much for him to be alive.
But...the conspiracy rumors are taking so long now and I believe they will never stop.
I wonder ( at least I never heard ) why the Jacksons never said anything to stop this ? They know what is going on and it seems they were feeding it.
For what reason ?
Controversy ? Money ?
I mean...if MJ was my brother , or a son , and he is really gone , and I am grieving..I would make a public statement.

I'm a bit conrfused by this because the Jackson's have spoken out and said MJ was killed, and it was conspiracy ie la toya, jermaine, Randy, katherine Joe, and even the kids. Even Michael said it himself and i trust Michael's own words more than anything

[edelweiss pirate]

I'm a bit conrfused by this because the Jackson's have spoken out and said MJ was killed, and it was conspiracy ie la toya, jermaine, Randy, katherine Joe, and even the kids. Even Michael said it himself and i trust Michael's own words more than anything

When all is said and done, Jackson was a vacuous and narcissistic Pepsi hawking shill who probably did fiddle with those kids...

But for all that his death has done more than David Icke or Alex Jones ever could to wake people up to the existence of the Illuminati.

Michael Jackson, by dying, has become a hero of the truth movement, like some kind of Moon-walking Pepsi drinking Jesus.

[lovely one]

I'm a bit conrfused by this because the Jackson's have spoken out and said MJ was killed, and it was conspiracy ie la toya, jermaine, Randy, katherine Joe, and even the kids. Even Michael said it himself and i trust Michael's own words more than anything

Yes , you are right about that.
I was thinking about all those theories of him being alive.
We have two main theories - or he is alive or he was killed.
I bet no one really believes in that stupid Murray-mistake theory.
After everything we do know about what went down on 25.6 2009. I still can not buy that.

[andiliz]

Yes , you are right about that.
I was thinking about all those theories of him being alive.
We have two main theories - or he is alive or he was killed.
I bet no one really believes in that stupid Murray-mistake theory.
After everything we do know about what went down on 25.6 2009. I still can not buy that.
I believe Michael is gone and was murdered mainly for money. Michael had no record contract before he died and he said "Invincible" would be his last album. $ony and the estate got everything when Michael was killed.
The Jackson family are a high profile showbiz family driven to some extent by fame and money. They have spoken out about Michael. I defo don't believe in the death hoax anymore not that I ever did really. I just think for me it's wishful thinking. I want Michael to still be alive so badly.

[andiliz]

Another sad death: Donald Cortez "Don" Cornelius (September 27, 1936 – January 31, 2012) was an American television show host and producer who was best known as the creator of the nationally syndicated dance/music franchise "SOUL TRAIN", which he hosted from 1971 to 1993. Cornelius sold the show to MadVision Entertainment in 2008.

[trixie]

Yes , you are right about that.
I was thinking about all those theories of him being alive.
We have two main theories - or he is alive or he was killed.
I bet no one really believes in that stupid Murray-mistake theory.
After everything we do know about what went down on 25.6 2009. I still can not buy that.

I trust Michael's words too & I think the murderers did also. He said he literally wrote 100-120 songs per album. So I don't think it was just the catalog that made him worth more dead than alive. I guess they couldn't find the songs though. Bet they looked.

[andiliz]

Sony Corp has confirmed that Kazuo Hirai, currently the electronics and entertainment giant’s Executive Deputy President, will take over as the firm’s CEO in April, replacing Brit Sir Howard Stringer, who was the FIRST non-Japanese exec to ever head up the 65 year old Tokyo-based company.

As previously reported, Stringer has overseen a troubled Sony Corp since becoming CEO in 2005 (he also became President of the company in 2009, and Hirai will take over that role too). A strong 'yen' hasn’t helped, reducing the value of global and especially American revenue, and more recently 'natural disasters' have hit key manufacturing plants.

But Sony has also suffered as the wider entertainment industry has seen its traditional revenue streams slide, and – most significantly – as three competitors started to outperform the Japanese firm in key product areas, Samsung in TVs, Nintendo in gaming consoles, and Apple in music devices.

http://www.thecmuwebsite.com/article/sony-corp-appoints-new-ceo/

[andiliz]

I love him and I miss him and I want so much for him to be alive.
But...the conspiracy rumors are taking so long now and I believe they will never stop.
I wonder ( at least I never heard ) why the Jacksons never said anything to stop this ? They know what is going on and it seems they were feeding it.
For what reason ?
Controversy ? Money ?
I mean...if MJ was my brother , or a son , and he is really gone , and I am grieving..I would make a public statement.
Jermaine Jackson did say on Twitter the death hoax stuff isn't true. This is what Jermaine said:
"I can't give this any more attention. It is a false debate that forgets that Michael would never, ever so cruelly hoax the fans he loved."
But at one time I felt Jermaine was feeding the death hoax stuff so it's a bit strange really. I personally think Michael is sadly dead and was murdered.

[andiliz]

This is really weird. The "This is NOT It" website is longer up and running see this: http://www.this-is-not-it.com/
The website has changed so much it's no longer about Michael Jackson at all. All the info that was about MJ on that site has been taken down.

[andiliz]

It seems people are now worried about Michael Jackson's children being exploited by the MJ estate people, the media and to some extent by the Jackson family. Michael Jackson loved his mother Katherine to the point of almost worshiping her. Michael thought she was the perfect mother. Why doesn't Katherine step in and stop all this, after all she saw what happened to Michael. I guess because Katherine is now an old lady and is a victim herself and is controlled she can do nothing. See this:

"Exploitation of the Jackson 3 (MJ3): How the singer's children are being cynically controlled by the man whose greed wrecked his childhood."

Even by the standards of someone twice her age, there was a quiet assurance about 13-year-old Paris Jackson’s triumphant first solo appearance before the cameras of a U.S. chat show this week.

Gone was the frightened and sobbing child who was reluctantly pushed into the spotlight by her aunties and uncles at her father Michael’s televised memorial service a little over two years ago. Did they reluctantly push Paris?

In her place was a young woman, sleekly coiffed by the team of stylists and make-up artists who now travel with her, and with the sort of poise you would scarcely expect of a young teenager.

But then, Paris, who had been wheeled out by the controlling Jackson clan to appear on the sofa of TV chat show hostess Ellen DeGeneres, is hardly your average teenager.

For starters, in preparation for her primetime appearance this week, Paris had been trained rigorously for weeks by the Hollywood actors’ agency that has been newly engaged by her grandmother and legal guardian Katherine Jackson to guide the youngster’s nascent acting career.

Meanwhile, the family are in negotiation with top model agency boss and talent-spotter Michael Flutie, who launched the careers of Cindy Crawford, Milla Jovovich and Stephanie Seymour, to oversee Paris’s planned transition from schoolgirl to catwalk star.

‘I think she’s stunning,’ Mr Flutie said this week. ‘I said I would represent her because that’s how beautiful I think she is.’

He is not alone in spotting the rich pickings on offer for those helping to shape the careers of the King of Pop’s children.

Paris is already set to make her acting debut in a film version of the children’s fantasy book Lundon’s Bridge And The Three Keys, which is due for release in 2013.

Nor is she the only one of Jackson’s three children who is being pushed — prematurely, some argue — into the white heat of the media gaze from which their father had so desperately sought to protect them.

Michael’s long-time friend "Brian Oxman"?? — who also happens to be the Jackson family’s lawyer — told me this week of his concerns that the singer might not have approved of his beloved children being paraded so publicly. BRIAN OXMAN is NOT Michael's long-time friend!!

‘Michael’s way of bringing them up was that he wanted them to have a childhood,’ he explained.

‘He wanted them to experience being innocent young people growing up.

‘Since he felt his childhood had been stolen from him, he didn’t want that to happen to his kids,’ he added.

‘It’s hard to say if Michael would be happy about what’s happening. He just wanted his children to be the masters of their lives.’

Yet the push to make the youngsters stars in their own right appears relentless. And it is Katherine and her estranged husband Joe who, together, are the driving force.

Many believe history could be repeating itself here. They remember how Michael’s father Joe would to drive him mercilessly to perform, bullying him emotionally and physically.

‘If you didn’t do it the right way, he would tear you up,’ Michael said, adding, on the Oprah Winfrey Show, that he was so afraid of his father, he was sometimes sick when he saw Joe.

To coincide with her interview with TV chatshow host Miss DeGeneres, Paris and her brothers Prince, 14, and nine-year-old Prince Michael II — known as Blanket — posed together for a major article on them this week in People magazine.
The American celebrity magazine calls the children ‘The Jackson Three’ — a play on words said to have been dreamt up by Joe, their grandfather, who managed the Jackson Five group in which a young Michael found fame with his elder brothers.
Joe had long been estranged from his most famous son and was publicly accused by Michael of being a controlling and violent bully.
Yet this is the man behind Michael’s children’s appearance before the cameras on the U.S. version of The X Factor two weeks ago.
Sources in the States say the publicity drive being coordinated by 83-year-old Joe and Katherine, 81, is all leading up to an announcement that the children have been signed up to appear in their own reality TV show which will give fly-on-the-wall cameras access to their California home.
And this attempt to turn Jackson’s children into highly bankable stars has understandably led to calls that they are being exploited.
Michael’s official fan club has raised its concerns and one influential website, set up to protect the dead singer’s legacy, has already called for an end to what it calls ‘the exploitation of his children for the financial gain of the Jackson family’.
The Michael Jackson Accountability Network website has published an open letter to the clan warning them to call a halt to the series of controversial money-making schemes they have embarked on since Jackson’s death in June 2009 at the age of 50.
The claims of exploitation have now led to a bitter split within the Jackson family, with some of Michael’s eight surviving siblings turning on each other and their parents in the unseemly scramble for cash.
The bad blood came to head two months ago when brothers Jermaine and Randy and sister Janet publicly criticised a star-studded tribute concert held at Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium which was organised by their parents.
While their siblings Marlon, Tito, Jackie and La Toya all agreed to appear on the bill, the event became mired in controversy with claims that although some funds would go to charity, and £64,000 to Michael’s children, the promoters could not confirm how much the good causes would actually receive.
Some family members were also angry that the event coincided with the trial of Jackson’s physician Dr Conrad Murray, who was jailed last month for four years for administering a fatal dose of the surgical anaesthetic propofol to the star.
The show also fell foul of the official executors of the singer’s estate, who have had a running battle with Michael’s parents over a series of stunts the Jacksons have dreamt up to cash in on their late son’s fame.
Indeed, the Cardiff event — at which Michael’s children were once again on public display — is said to have taken place in Britain only to get around U.S. intellectual property law.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2075253/Michael-Jacksons-children-Are-cynically-controlled-man-greed-wrecked-Jackos-childhood.html#ixzz1lNMdHGHV

Keep in mind this was in the "DAILY MAIL" a TABLOID!! I don't like that they are saying all the blame lies with the Jackson family in exploiting the children. The estate, $ONY and the media also exploit them.

[gaias child]

This is really weird. The "This is NOT It" website is longer up and running see this: http://www.this-is-not-it.com/
The website has changed so much it's no longer about Michael Jackson at all. All the info that was about MJ on that site has been taken down.

There was some stuff on the forum of this is not it revealing information on mjfan forums and the treats/payments they were given by sony by people on tini who had also been mods on those forums.

very strange, wish i knew why tini forum was no longer available, i know asedora put some info on there, and then she was threatened with being sued by gaz of mjjc for this thread.

http://mjjmaninthemirror.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=263

http://mjjmaninthemirror.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=262

[gaias child]

It seems people are now worried about Michael Jackson's children being exploited by the MJ estate people, the media and to some extent by the Jackson family. Michael Jackson loved his mother Katherine to the point of almost worshiping her. Michael thought she was the perfect mother. Why doesn't Katherine step in and stop all this, after all she saw what happened to Michael. I guess because Katherine is now an old lady and is a victim herself and is controlled she can do nothing. See this:

"Exploitation of the Jackson 3 (MJ3): How the singer's children are being cynically controlled by the man whose greed wrecked his childhood."

Even by the standards of someone twice her age, there was a quiet assurance about 13-year-old Paris Jackson’s triumphant first solo appearance before the cameras of a U.S. chat show this week.

Gone was the frightened and sobbing child who was reluctantly pushed into the spotlight by her aunties and uncles at her father Michael’s televised memorial service a little over two years ago. Did they reluctantly push Paris?

In her place was a young woman, sleekly coiffed by the team of stylists and make-up artists who now travel with her, and with the sort of poise you would scarcely expect of a young teenager.

But then, Paris, who had been wheeled out by the controlling Jackson clan to appear on the sofa of TV chat show hostess Ellen DeGeneres, is hardly your average teenager.

For starters, in preparation for her primetime appearance this week, Paris had been trained rigorously for weeks by the Hollywood actors’ agency that has been newly engaged by her grandmother and legal guardian Katherine Jackson to guide the youngster’s nascent acting career.

Meanwhile, the family are in negotiation with top model agency boss and talent-spotter Michael Flutie, who launched the careers of Cindy Crawford, Milla Jovovich and Stephanie Seymour, to oversee Paris’s planned transition from schoolgirl to catwalk star.

‘I think she’s stunning,’ Mr Flutie said this week. ‘I said I would represent her because that’s how beautiful I think she is.’

He is not alone in spotting the rich pickings on offer for those helping to shape the careers of the King of Pop’s children.

Paris is already set to make her acting debut in a film version of the children’s fantasy book Lundon’s Bridge And The Three Keys, which is due for release in 2013.

Nor is she the only one of Jackson’s three children who is being pushed — prematurely, some argue — into the white heat of the media gaze from which their father had so desperately sought to protect them.

Michael’s long-time friend "Brian Oxman"?? — who also happens to be the Jackson family’s lawyer — told me this week of his concerns that the singer might not have approved of his beloved children being paraded so publicly. BRIAN OXMAN is NOT Michael's long-time friend!!

‘Michael’s way of bringing them up was that he wanted them to have a childhood,’ he explained.

‘He wanted them to experience being innocent young people growing up.

‘Since he felt his childhood had been stolen from him, he didn’t want that to happen to his kids,’ he added.

‘It’s hard to say if Michael would be happy about what’s happening. He just wanted his children to be the masters of their lives.’

Yet the push to make the youngsters stars in their own right appears relentless. And it is Katherine and her estranged husband Joe who, together, are the driving force.

Many believe history could be repeating itself here. They remember how Michael’s father Joe would to drive him mercilessly to perform, bullying him emotionally and physically.

‘If you didn’t do it the right way, he would tear you up,’ Michael said, adding, on the Oprah Winfrey Show, that he was so afraid of his father, he was sometimes sick when he saw Joe.

To coincide with her interview with TV chatshow host Miss DeGeneres, Paris and her brothers Prince, 14, and nine-year-old Prince Michael II — known as Blanket — posed together for a major article on them this week in People magazine.
The American celebrity magazine calls the children ‘The Jackson Three’ — a play on words said to have been dreamt up by Joe, their grandfather, who managed the Jackson Five group in which a young Michael found fame with his elder brothers.
Joe had long been estranged from his most famous son and was publicly accused by Michael of being a controlling and violent bully.
Yet this is the man behind Michael’s children’s appearance before the cameras on the U.S. version of The X Factor two weeks ago.
Sources in the States say the publicity drive being coordinated by 83-year-old Joe and Katherine, 81, is all leading up to an announcement that the children have been signed up to appear in their own reality TV show which will give fly-on-the-wall cameras access to their California home.
And this attempt to turn Jackson’s children into highly bankable stars has understandably led to calls that they are being exploited.
Michael’s official fan club has raised its concerns and one influential website, set up to protect the dead singer’s legacy, has already called for an end to what it calls ‘the exploitation of his children for the financial gain of the Jackson family’.
The Michael Jackson Accountability Network website has published an open letter to the clan warning them to call a halt to the series of controversial money-making schemes they have embarked on since Jackson’s death in June 2009 at the age of 50.
The claims of exploitation have now led to a bitter split within the Jackson family, with some of Michael’s eight surviving siblings turning on each other and their parents in the unseemly scramble for cash.
The bad blood came to head two months ago when brothers Jermaine and Randy and sister Janet publicly criticised a star-studded tribute concert held at Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium which was organised by their parents.
While their siblings Marlon, Tito, Jackie and La Toya all agreed to appear on the bill, the event became mired in controversy with claims that although some funds would go to charity, and £64,000 to Michael’s children, the promoters could not confirm how much the good causes would actually receive.
Some family members were also angry that the event coincided with the trial of Jackson’s physician Dr Conrad Murray, who was jailed last month for four years for administering a fatal dose of the surgical anaesthetic propofol to the star.
The show also fell foul of the official executors of the singer’s estate, who have had a running battle with Michael’s parents over a series of stunts the Jacksons have dreamt up to cash in on their late son’s fame.
Indeed, the Cardiff event — at which Michael’s children were once again on public display — is said to have taken place in Britain only to get around U.S. intellectual property law.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2075253/Michael-Jacksons-children-Are-cynically-controlled-man-greed-wrecked-Jackos-childhood.html#ixzz1lNMdHGHV

Keep in mind this was in the "DAILY MAIL" a tabloid!! I don't like that they are saying all the blame lies with the Jackson family in exploiting the children. The estate, $ONY and the media also exploit them.

I don't want to sound cynical but... given that katherine and joe relied on mj's money for their livlihood and given the mj estate are now controlling what money katherine gets, (which from what i have heard is practically zilch, which was not MJ intention) maybe they feel they have little choice but to put the kids out to work for income, much like they did with MJ.

[andiliz]

I don't want to sound cynical but... given that katherine and joe relied on mj's money for their livlihood and given the mj estate are now controlling what money katherine gets, (which from what i have heard is practically zilch, which was not MJ intention) maybe they feel they have little choice but to put the kids out to work for income, much like they did with MJ.
It's still not right to use children for money what ever way you look at it. I heard Paris Jackson really wants to be an actress, so maybe Paris wants to be in the film? Maybe she wants to be a star? I don't like it that the 'paparazzi' now follow Michael Jackson's children because they can no longer follow him. I didn't like it that Oprah interviewed the children, when Oprah didn't like Michael at all. Michael provided for all his family not just Joe and Katherine.

The Michael Jackson Accountability Network website: http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/

[zhuangzi]

I got some sceptical thoughts up on this theme! If Michael Jackson was a werewolf then why the god-damn would them Illuminati kill one of their own? Shit don't make sense, y'all adding two and two and not getting five.

[andiliz]

I don't want to sound cynical but... given that katherine and joe relied on mj's money for their livlihood and given the mj estate are now controlling what money katherine gets, (which from what i have heard is practically zilch, which was not MJ intention) maybe they feel they have little choice but to put the kids out to work for income, much like they did with MJ.
Even so, the singer’s full name 'Michael Joseph Jackson' and Michael's picture were noticeably absent from the official concert promotion material at Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium.
Jackson’s children have been served up for public consumption by their grandparents on any number of occasions.
Earlier this year, when their grandmother was promoting a coffee table book she has written about Michael, Oprah Winfrey was granted access to the compound where they live with her in Los Angeles.
About the same time, the children appeared on the TV show "Good Morning America" to talk about the death of their father.
Both interviews led Michael’s brother Randy and his sister Janet to criticise their parents for exploiting the children for personal gain.
And the point is Joe and Katherine are rather keen on personal gain. They are currently fighting a lawsuit issued by Michael’s executors, who accuse them of trying to flog unauthorised tacky Michael Jackson memorabilia, including a crystal-encrusted leather belt signed by Jackson’s children. Joe Jackson was the special guest at the "Julian Rouas Paris" kiosk in a Las Vegas shopping mall selling Michael Jackson Perfumes underneath a famous sketch of The King of Pop.
Earlier this year (2011) Joe, who lives for the most part in Las Vegas, was even said to have offered fans the chance to have their pictures taken with Prince, Paris and Blanket in exchange for cash!
Joe, who was left out of his son’s will, has launched a series of court actions to try to win damages over Michael’s death, including actions against Dr. Murray, the concert promoters AEG Live, who were bankrolling Michael’s planned 50‑date London tour when he died, and the pharmacy which supplied the drug that killed him.
Meanwhile, Katherine, who along with Michael’s children stands to inherit the singer’s fortune, complains that the £50,000 his executors grant her each month to care for his children is not enough.
Family lawyers are also furious that the estimated £500 million earned by Jackson since his death — including a posthumous £166 million album deal signed with $ONY and the £194 million earned by "This Is It", the film of Jackson’s rehearsals for his proposed UK shows — has not yet filtered through to his heirs!
But John Branca and John McClain, the entertainment lawyers appointed as executors of the estate, say it could take years to unravel the troubled star’s financial affairs and pay off more than £300 million of debts Jackson had when he died??=I thought Michael's debt's were paid off??

Even so, the children and Katherine — who was declared bankrupt in 1999 — are hardly living in penury.
Since March 2011 they have been staying at a rented £16,000-a-month estate, complete with its own golf course, in the upmarket LA neighbourhood of 'Calabasas'.
They have moved into the house on a gated community, where neighbours include Britney Spears and Kim Kardashian, while the family home in nearby 'Encino' is being refurbished, with the bill being paid by the executors.
This week Paris said on the TV chat show with "Ellen DeGeneres" that she felt ‘stupid’ in the masks and veil her father made her and her siblings wear to protect their identity.=(Wasn't it Debbie Rowe's idea to have the children wear masks to protect them?? Debbie Rowe said this herself in an interview.)
Yet she insisted she and her brothers have a regular childhood.
As her grandmother Katherine has said: ‘They have their friends over. They ride their bikes.’
In reality, it is anything but normal.
Each morning, a slow-moving cavalcade of vehicles transports Paris and Prince to the private school they attend on the edge of California’s Santa Monica mountains.
Several bulky bodyguards, sporting Secret Service-style ear-pieces and lapel microphones jump out of the vehicles to usher them into school.
Throughout the day, armed close protection minders shadow the children as they attend lessons at £21,000-a-year "Buckley School". The bodyguards eat lunch in the school cafeteria and swim in its indoor pool.
Ever since Paris and Prince enrolled at the school in September 2010, the presence of the hulking security men has been causing complaints from other parents who say they terrify their children.

For his part, "Blanket", who is said to be very withdrawn and shy and is the only one of the singer’s children who looks even vaguely like him, is still taught by private teachers (maybe Sister Rose?) in the kitchen of the family’s seven-bedroom house, where he has his own constant bodyguards.
The children are occasionally visited by former nurse Debbie Rowe, Jackson’s former wife and the mother of the two elder children, both of whom are said to have been fathered by a sperm donor. (While Michael Jackson was alive, she was not involved with the children; he paid her off so that he could bring them up himself, with the help of an army of nannies-like Grace Rwaramba. But when he died, grandmother Katherine agreed that Debbie could have supervised visits.)
The identity of Blanket’s mother and father has never been revealed — Jackson adopted him soon after he was born, and there has been endless speculation as to whether he fathered the child as a sperm donor.
The Jackson family insist that the security presence is very necessary, given that the children, who will inherit their father’s fortune when they reach 30, are at constant risk of kidnap!
The King of Pop’s children are, to put it crudely, very valuable commodities indeed.
Lawyers are expecting to set a trial date on January 31 for the children’s own separate lawsuit against promoters AEG Live.
The Jackson family’s lawyer Brian Oxman?? told me if they win, the damages could eventually reach up to $1 billion.
He says AEG employed Dr. Conrad Murray — a claim it denies — and that this astronomical sum is based on what Jackson could have earned had he lived.
‘The children are the youngest plaintiffs for the largest amount of money in our memory,’ Mr. Oxman said.
‘I don’t think there is anywhere that could rival the size of this legal claim.’
Is it any surprise, then, that the children Michael Jackson tried so assiduously to protect have had to grow up so quickly?



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2075253/Michael-Jacksons-children-Are-cynically-controlled-man-greed-wrecked-Jackos-childhood.html#ixzz1leGR4pWU

Keep in mind this was written in the "Daily Mail" a TABLOID!! And they should also point out that the MJ estate people like John Branca and John McClain, $ONY and the media also exploit Michael's children.

[andiliz]

This is what Randy Jackson said on Twitter:

"My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision."
https://www.twitter.com/#!/randyjackson8

What is a 'restitution bid'?? I've got no idea what that is.

I heard the Jackson family got a pay off from the MJ estate before the Murray trial started. Does anyone know if that is true?

I didn't follow the Murray trial that much as I found it very upsetting so I don't know much about it. Some people feel there was something quite fake about the whole Murray trial.

[gaias child]

This is what Randy Jackson said on Twitter:

"My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision."
https://www.twitter.com/#!/randyjackson8

What is a 'restitution bid'?? I've got no idea what that is.I heard the Jackson family got a pay off from the MJ estate before the Murray trial started. Does anyone know if that is true?

I didn't follow the Murray trial that much as I found it very upsetting so I don't know much about it. Some people feel there was something quite fake about the whole Murray trial.

I'm not quite sure what restitution means either, i think it might mean they could not bring a private case against murray and get compensation. although it turns out from randy's twitter that you posted above that the below article is also not true, they were not even informed,which i think shows the agenda against this family preventing them profiting in anyway.

http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/

Jackson Family Refuses Restitution from Murray: Michael Jackson Fans Ask Why!

In what may be a final straw for Michael Jackson fans, the Jackson family has withdrawn a request for restitution from Conrad Murray, convicted of causing the death of Michael Jackson. Murray is currently serving a four-year jail sentence, but will likely only serve half of that time, or less, due to overcrowding in California jails and prisons.

Murray has described himself as indigent, and restitution would have been largely symbolic. California has no Son of Sam law that would prohibit Murray from profiting from his crime. A significant restitution based on Jackson’s projected earnings likely would have reduced the possibility that Murray would profit, through television appearances, books, documentary films, and in other ways. Restitution would have greatly lessened the possibility that Michael Jackson’s children would have been exposed to slander of their father, from Murray.

The Washington Post reported that the Jackson’s have permanently withdrawn their request, even though Judge Pastor –the judge who heard the widely televised Murray case – was prepared to require restitution as part of Murray’s sentence. Projected amounts would have been approximately one hundred million dollars for lost earnings from Jackson’s planned This is It tour, and nearly two million dollars for his funeral expenses.

Restitution was never about financial reimbursement. It was to be about justice, ensuring that Murray does not profit from his role in Jackson’s death. Fans have responded with outrage and disgust at the Jacksons’ decision. On Michael J. Jackson Community, the world’s largest Michael Jackson fan discussion board, fans have written that they are disgusted, outraged, and have “run out of respect” for the Jackson family.

Fans want to know why restitution was rejected. The answers seem to lie in two lawsuits filed by Jackson’s parents, against the entertainment company, Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG). Joseph Jackson has an ongoing lawsuit against AEG Live for negligence, and against Murray for wrongful death. Katherine Jackson is pursuing her own lawsuit against AEG. It’s not difficult to speculate that the Jackson’s are going for the gold, in their attempt to extract payment from the deep pockets of AEG. In the process, they have let Murray off the hook, and when he is released from prison, he is free to make the talk show rounds, and pursue any other potential income from his role in Jackson’s death. Murray has never expressed that he feels responsibility for Jackson’s death, that orphaned Jackson’s three children. Instead, Murray has painted himself as the victim. It is expected that this trend will continue, now that he will be free to pursue these income opportunities.

Restitution from Murray would have driven home the egregiousness of his crime, saddling him with a lifetime of debt that he could never hope to repay. Michael Jackson’s children are well provided for, for their lifetimes, from Jackson’s Estate. However, Jackson’s parents would have likely never seen an income stream from Murray. It would seem that they chose greed, over justice, and a potential profit from their son’s death, rather than protection for Jackson’s children from slander of their father.

It is unlikely that either Joseph or Katherine Jackson’s lawsuits will succeed. AEG undoubtedly has a significant war-chest, and negligence on their part would be difficult to prove. As for Joseph Jackson’s lawsuit, his attorney, Brian Oxman, has been recommended for disbarment. As reported by the L.A. Times, “Oxman’s three disciplinary proceedings show a disturbing disregard for the administration of justice, including misrepresentations to courts and a failure to cooperate in disciplinary proceedings.” The disbarment of Oxman will likely leave Mr. Jackson without an attorney for his lawsuit.

To date, the Jacksons have issued no statements as to their reasons for giving up restitution. Fans want to know why the Jacksons have declined what would have been a certain avenue for justice for their son. Fans want to know why Michael Jackson’s children will now be left virtually unprotected from defamation, by Murray, of their father. Fans want explanations as to why this choice was made, and they want the Jackson family to be accountable for what seems like a failure for justice for Michael Jackson. The disgust now felt by many fans for the actions of this family, may never be replaced by respect.

Information Sources:

Washington Post: Request for restitution from doctor convicted in Michael Jackson’s death withdrawn

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/request-for-restitution-from-doctor-convicted-in-michael-jacksons-death-withdrawn/2012/01/18/gIQA6DC58P_story.html

Los Angeles Times: State Bar of California recommends lawyer’s disbarment

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-oxman-disbarment-20120119,0,5631564.story




Restitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The law of restitution is the law of gains-based recovery. It is to be contrasted with the law of compensation, which is the law of loss-based recovery. Obligations to make restitution and obligations to pay compensation are each a type of legal response to events in the real world. When a court orders restitution it orders the defendant to give up his gains to the claimant. When a court orders compensation it orders the defendant to compensate the claimant for his or her loss.

This type of damages restores the benefit conferred to the non-breaching party (the plaintiff). Simply, the plaintiff will get the value of whatever was conferred to the defendant when there was a contract. There are two general limits to recovery, which is that a complete breach of contract is needed, and the damages will be capped at the contract price if the restitution damages exceed it.

The orthodox view suggests that there is only one principle on which the law of restitution is dependent, namely the principle of unjust enrichment.[1][2] However, the view that restitution, like other legal responses, can be triggered by any one of a variety of causative events is increasingly prevalent. These are events in the real world which trigger a legal response. It is beyond doubt that unjust enrichment and wrongs can trigger an obligation to make restitution. Certain commentators propose that there is a third basis for restitution, namely the vindication of property rights with which the defendant has interfered.[3] It is arguable that other types of causative event can also trigger an obligation to make restitution.

Contents [hide]
1 Restitution for wrongs
2 Restitution to reverse unjust enrichment
3 See also
4 Notes
5 References

[edit] Restitution for wrongsJudicial remedies
Legal remedies (Damages)
Compensatory damages
Punitive damages
Incidental damages
Consequential damages
Liquidated damages
Reliance damages
Nominal damages
Statutory damages
Treble damages
Equitable remedies
Specific performance
Account of profits
Constructive trust
Injunction · Restitution
Rescission · Rectification
Declaratory relief
Related issues
Adequate remedy
Election of remedies
Provisional remedy
Tracing · Legal costs
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Imagine that A commits a wrong against B and B sues in respect of that wrong. A will certainly be liable to pay compensation to B. If B seeks compensation then the court award will be measured by reference to the loss that B has suffered as a result of A’s wrongful act. However, in certain circumstances it will be open to B to seek restitution rather than compensation. It will be in his interest to do so if the profit that A made by his wrongful act is greater than the loss suffered by B.

Whether or not a claimant can seek restitution for a wrong depends to a large extent on the particular wrong in question. For example, in English law, restitution for breach of fiduciary duty is widely available but restitution for breach of contract is fairly exceptional. The wrong could be of any one of the following types:

A statutory tort
A common law tort
An equitable wrong
A breach of contract
Criminal offences
Notice that (1)-(5) are all causative events (see above). The law responds to each of them by imposing an obligation to pay compensatory damages. Restitution for wrongs is the subject which deals with the issue of when exactly the law also responds by imposing an obligation to make restitution.

Example. In Attorney General v Blake [2001] 1 AC 268, an English court found itself faced with the following claim. The defendant had made a profit somewhere in the region of £60,000 as a direct result of breaching his contract with the claimant. The claimant was undoubtedly entitled to claim compensatory damages but had suffered little or no identifiable loss. It therefore decided to seek restitution for the wrong of breach of contract. The claimant won the case and the defendant was ordered to pay over his profits to the claimant. However, the court was careful to point out that the normal legal response to a breach of contract is to award compensation. An order to make restitution was said to be available only in exceptional circumstances.

[edit] Restitution to reverse unjust enrichmentMain article: Unjust enrichment
Cases of intentional torts or breaches of fiduciary duty often allow for claims of unjust enrichment, as well as cases of statutory torts and breaches of contract. A plaintiff can even have a claim in unjust enrichment when there is no other substantive claim. The Uniform Commercial Code ("UCC") entitles a buyer who defaults restitution of the buyer's deposit to the extent it exceeds reasonable liquidated damages or actual damages.[4] If the contract does not have a liquidated damages clause, the UCC provides a statutory sum: 20% of the price or $500, whichever is less, and the buyer who defaulted is entitled to restitution of any excess

[andiliz]

I'm not quite sure what restitution means either, i think it might mean they could not bring a private case against murray and get compensation. although it turns out from randy's twitter that you posted above that the below article is also not true, they were not even informed,which i think shows the agenda against this family preventing them profiting in anyway.

http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restitution
Asedora says she believes the Murray trial was set up. I'm much less supportive of Joe Jackson, La Toya Jackson and Jermaine Jackson now. I don't trust them anymore. We will have to see when Michael Jackson's kids turn 30 if they get all the money they should get. I can't see there ever being true justice for Michael Jackson though, maybe in 30 or 40 years time when John Branca and the rest are dead. The point is Michael Jackson should still be alive, he was murdered, you have to look at all the people who benefit from his death.

[andiliz]

I heard that between the years 2005-2009 Michael Jackson was being poisoned. Do people think that might be true?

[silverwand]

I heard that between the years 2005-2009 Michael Jackson was being poisoned. Do people think that might be true?

Very possible. He didn't look very well a lot of the time so who knows. I feel really sorry for him :(

[trixie]

I heard that between the years 2005-2009 Michael Jackson was being poisoned. Do people think that might be true?


Yes.. I have heard rumors of Grace but was she the only one??:(

[gaias child]

I heard that between the years 2005-2009 Michael Jackson was being poisoned. Do people think that might be true?

I heard the interview with dick gregory where he said MJ told him he thought he was being poisoned during the trials. Also I think it is very possible MJ was being slowly poisoned, ie ephedra found in his system can react with other medications, and causes heart failure, side effects are it causes insomnia and weight loss, now why would MJ take a herb that causes insomnia and weight loss, it does not make sense.

There is more information on this in this thread somewhere, also it was discussed at length on the MJJC fan forum

[andiliz]

Yes.. I have heard rumors of Grace but was she the only one??:(
I don't about Grace Rwaramba. Grace wasn't in fact around Michael when he died! I think she was in London or something. Grace was bitter that was why she did that interview but who knows. I don't want to blame Grace I think she really did love those children Prince, Paris and Blanket. But the fact that Grace was friends with Deepak Chopra worries me a lot and she would report things to him about MJ. Grace also knows Shana.

[andiliz]

I know people have said Michael had clinical depression and anxiety and stuff. But I wondered if they were giving him the antidepressants and the other drugs to control him? I'm sure he had loads of anxiety and stress from all the rubbish they put him through! I've read about all these medications Michael was said to be on. Lisa Marie Presley said in her interview with Oprah that the people with the drugs started moving in on Michael and that frightened her, that was part of why she felt she didn't want to be married to Michael anymore. I don't totally trust Lisa Marie Presley but I thought it was interesting that she said that.
I don't believe Michael was a 'drug addict' as he into healthy living and being a dancer he was quite fit. But he had health issues like lupus, vitiligo, back pain and stuff so he may of needed medications and also they may of been giving him drugs to control him.
I still think all the time about what abuse went on in Michael's childhood and as an adult he was still being used, abused and controlled!
I still read a lot about various forms of child abuse. I still feel Michael could of been under mind control. When he was around Uri Geller, Uri did hypnotism on him.
I don't know if what Michael went through made him a 'Monarch child' but some of the abuse his father did is like the MK Ultra stuff. I was reading this:

"It is difficult to remain objective when describing the horrors endured by Monarch slaves. The extreme violence, the abuse, the mental torture and sadistic games inflicted on victims by “notable scientists” and high-level officials prove the existence of a true “dark side” in the powers that be. Despite the revelations, the documents and the whistle-blowers, a great majority of the population ignores, dismisses or avoids the issue altogether. Over two million Americans have been programmed by trauma mind-control since 1947 and the CIA publicly admitted its mind control projects in 1970. Movies such as 'The Manchurian Candidate' have directly referred to the subject, even depicting actual techniques, such as electroshock, the use of trigger words and microchip implementation. Several public figures we see on our TV and movie screens are mind control slaves. Famous people such as Candy Jones, Celia Imrie and Sirhan Sirhan have gone on record and disclosed their mind control experiences…and yet the general public claims that it “cannot exist”.

The research and funds invested in project Monarch do not however only apply to mind control slaves. Many of the programming techniques perfected in these experiments are applied on a mass scale through mass media. Mainstream news, movies, music videos, advertisements and television shows are conceived using the most advanced data on human behavior ever compiled. A lot of this comes from Monarch programming."

About Celia Imrie: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1372700/My-electric-shock-nightmare-hands-CIAs-evil-doctor-Calendar-Girls-star-Celia-Imrie.html

I noticed that Michael put on a little bit of weight around the time of the Martin Bashir interview which was in about 2002-2003. I thought at that time he might of been on a medication because both antidepressants and antipsychotics can make some people put on loads of weight, also steroids can make people put on weight too, there are quite a few medications that can make people put on weight. But then before Michael died he was very thin the herb ephedrine might of been part of that why he was so thin.

[andiliz]

This is about what happened to the people from "Allgood Entertainment":
LUANDA, Angola – A New Jersey father and son were being held captive in a hotel in the southern African nation of Angola for 44 days and counting after New York City rapper Nas skipped out on a concert there.
Nas, along with budding rapper Jemiah Jai, reportedly pocketed $315,000 in advance, but never boarded a plane to perform New Year's shows in Luanda, the capital.
That left American concert promoter Patrick Allocco, 51, and his son Patrick, 22, of Morristown, N.J., stuck in a nightmarish dispute with a furious Angolan promoter and his gun-toting henchmen.
Worried wife and mother Abby Allocco said, "That they're being held for something that somebody else did is preposterous."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/12/americans-remain-captives-in-angola-after-rapper-nas-jemiah-jai-skip-out-on/#ixzz1mDxPrtzL

[andiliz]

About Heavy D:
Heavy D, Blood Sacrifice & Sun Worship PT 1 - YouTube!

[andiliz]

Does anyone know what connection Clive Davis has with Michael Jackson and $ONY BMG?

[andiliz]

This is what Randy Jackson said on Twitter:

"My siblings & I were never informed the restitution bid against Murray was being dropped. We DO NOT support that action. NOT our decision."
https://www.twitter.com/#!/randyjackson8

What is a 'restitution bid'?? I've got no idea what that is.

I heard the Jackson family got a pay off from the MJ estate before the Murray trial started. Does anyone know if that is true?

I didn't follow the Murray trial that much as I found it very upsetting so I don't know much about it. Some people feel there was something quite fake about the whole Murray trial.
This is what Asedora said:
For 2 years the Jackson family were not satisfied with the investigation & such. Now suddenly after getting 30 million dollars from the estate they seem to be happy with the LAPD's job.

So the Jackson family did get get 30 million dollars from the MJ estate just before the Murray trial started.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/14/michael-jackson-children-inheritance_n_961275.html

[gaias child]

This is what Asedora said:
For 2 years the Jackson family were not satisfied with the investigation & such. Now suddenly after getting 30 million dollars from the estate they seem to be happy with the LAPD's job.

So the Jackson family did get get 30 million dollars from the MJ estate just before the Murray trial started.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/14/michael-jackson-children-inheritance_n_961275.html

Wow. Money really does buy everything. and these people are very powerful, they own the jackson's really

[andiliz]

Wow. Money really does buy everything. and these people are very powerful, they own the jackson's really
Yes they are very powerful. And yes it is like they own the Jackson family. It is such a sad situation. It breaks my heart really. Human life is far more important than money.

This is what Katherine Jackson said:

Katherine Jackson tells TMZ she knows of no evidence to support the conspiracy theory that people connected with the Michael Jackson Estate killed the singer.

A number of people including LaToya Jackson, have suggested there was a conspiracy to kill Michael.

Katherine tells TMZ..."It's only natural for people who loved Michael, including family members to be suspicious about the circumstances surrounding Michael's untimely death. So far I have not seen one shred of evidence that anyone associated with Michael's estate conspired to kill him."

She continues, "If such evidence ever comes to my attention I will be the first to bring those facts to light. No one loved Michael more than I loved him, but no one should be falsely accused, as Michael was, of a crime they did not commit."

[andiliz]

When I heard about how Joe Jackson and La Toya Jackson had been selling stories to "The National Enquirer" about Michael Jackson, his 3 children and the Jackson family. That was when I started to lose respect for Joe and La Toya. I'm also not sure I trust Jermaine Jackson either anymore. I had this feeling La Toya was being manipulative. I used to really like La Toya because she reminded me of Michael in the way she looks and the way she speaks is a bit like Michael.
The rest of the Jackson family I think are ok. Randy Jackson says some interesting stuff on Twitter.

[andiliz]

About Heavy D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcpQb5c2oXE&feature=player_embedded#!
I don't know if this video works. I don't find it a coincidence that 'Ed Winter', the coroner's assistant who investigated in CM's case, was also at Peter Lopez's crime scene. Maybe they sensed some connection.....Peter Lopez was involved in figuring out the truth MJ's death....the LAPD know that.

[andiliz]

Michael Jackson‘s estate has finally filed a lawsuit against "Tohme Tohme", who used to call himself “Doctor.” Tohme was Michael Jackson’s penultimate manager–meaning he was replaced just before Jackson’s death by Jackson’s longtime manager and friend, Frank DiLeo. But Tohme, the estate says in a complaint filed by attorney Howard Weitzman, ran amok during his short term between January 2008 and March 2009. It was Tohme, working for Thomas Barrack‘s Colony Capital, who pulled off the sale of Neverland to Colony. But according to the complaint, Jackson never understood that Tohme was also going to receive a finder’s fee for doing work for his own employer. Jackson had no lawyer representing him in his many signed agreements with Tohme, and so didn’t understand that when Colony came up with $24 million to bail out Neverland, Tohme would get $2.4 million.
Read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/02/17/michael-jackson-executors-finally-sue-singers-final-manager/

[andiliz]

Yes they are very powerful. And yes it is like they own the Jackson family. It is such a sad situation. It breaks my heart really. Human life is far more important than money.

This is what Katherine Jackson said:

Katherine Jackson tells TMZ she knows of no evidence to support the conspiracy theory that people connected with the Michael Jackson Estate killed the singer.

A number of people including LaToya Jackson, have suggested there was a conspiracy to kill Michael.

Katherine tells TMZ..."It's only natural for people who loved Michael, including family members to be suspicious about the circumstances surrounding Michael's untimely death. So far I have not seen one shred of evidence that anyone associated with Michael's estate conspired to kill him."

She continues, "If such evidence ever comes to my attention I will be the first to bring those facts to light. No one loved Michael more than I loved him, but no one should be falsely accused, as Michael was, of a crime they did not commit."
I read this that Michael Jackson told his mother Katherine "on more than one occasion that he did not like this man (meaning John Branca) and did not trust him, he told me that John (John Branca) had stolen from him.” She also says that the estate should be giving the foundation more money (meaning the 'Heal the World Foundation'.)
But Katherine Jackson's lawyer now tells TMZ.com that she "categorically denies" signing the accusatory statement. A Heal the World lawyer says someone from the organization had faxed Katherine Jackson's manager the document and it was returned to him signed, and that Katherine Jackson's caregiver told him he saw her sign it.

[andiliz]

Does anyone know what connection Clive Davis has with Michael Jackson and $ONY BMG?
There are connections between Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston. Both were pure beautiful souls with good hearts, with a huge amount of God given talent, who wanted to make the world a better and place and spread love.
They were both ruined by the evil music industry and torn down by the world's media. They built them up to be mega-stars then they tore them down. The music industry used and abused them and wore them out and took their hard earned money/wealth from them.
Whitney Houston was on the same label as Michael $ONY!
Clive Davis is also linked to another famous soul singer 'Phyllis Hyman' (July 6, 1949 – June 30, 1995) who was an African-American soul singer and actress.
Phyllis Hyman ended up killing herself! After Clive Davis was through with Phyllis Hyman he then moved on to Whitney Houston.
Jermaine Jackson sang with Whitney on a couple of tracks back in the early days of her career and she would of had some dealings with Joe Jackson. I think Whitney knew the Jackson family. I know Michael and Janet Jackson liked her.
Whitney Houston's ex-husband Bobby Brown even had a short fling with Janet Jackson back in the day.

Since album sales in the wake of an artist's death always tend to increase, Sony came under fire for raising prices on Houston's music in the UK last weekend. Fans were up in arms over a sudden iTunes price hike of two Houston albums, which Sony is now saying was a "mistake."

“Whitney Houston product was mistakenly mispriced on the U.K. iTunes store on Sunday,” The New York Times reported a statement by Sony as saying. “When discovered, the mistake was immediately corrected. We apologize for any offense caused.”

The price hikes occurred on Sunday, the day after her death was reported, when Houston's "The Ultimate Collection" was raised 60 percent, from $7.85 to about $12.50, and her "Greatest Hits" rose from $12.50 to $15.67.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/whitney-houston-sales-sky_n_1278858.html

It would seem $ONY don't just 'kill music' they kill artists too.

[elshaper]

WoW, I've just spotted this MJ autograph signed in 1997.
Just before the number 1998, he wrote a pyramid △
I'm guessing this is a message, a mark of a significance. e.g. turning point in 1998?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nrAxzdkYPY#t=5m03s

[mr_i_disagree]

if gary glitter overdoses do we blame tptb/illuminati?
junkie die as junkie does, end thread.

[trixie]

Does anyone know what connection Clive Davis has with Michael Jackson and $ONY BMG?

I found this from Bonnie's blog, very interestingfd:

Some information on Clive Davis, the one who apparently likes to BRAG about the mess he made of Whitney’s life:

Part of his Dossier includes “From 1967 to 1973 he was the President of Columbia Records. He was the founder and president of Arista Records from 1975 through 2000 until founding J Records. From 2002 until April 2008, Davis was the Chairman and CEO of the RCA Music Group (which included RCA Records, J Records and Arista Records), Chairman and CEO of J Records, and Chairman and CEO of BMG North America. Currently Davis is the Chief Creative Officer of Sony Music Entertainment”. – Source, Wikipedia

His early life is not a surprise either – “Davis was born in Brooklyn, New York to a Jewish family, the son of Herman and Florence Davis. Davis was raised in the middle-class neighborhood of Crown Heights, Brooklyn. He received a full scholarship to New York University College of Arts and Science, where he graduated magna cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa in 1953. He then received a full scholarship to Harvard Law School, where he was a member of the Board of Student Advisers and graduated in 1956.” – Source, Wikipedia/earlylife

Davis was also employed with CBS Records and eventually fired for as one way to put it, being in a “Schmuley Boteach frame of mind” –

“After Davis was fired from CBS Records for allegedly using company funds to bankroll his son's bar mitzvah,[6] Columbia Pictures (at the time unrelated to Columbia Records) hired him to be a consultant for the company's record and music operations. After taking time out to write his memoirs, he founded the company Arista Records (named after New York City's secondary school honor society of which he was a member).” – Source, Wiki/Aristayears

Columbia Pictures GAVE him a job after that? Are they stupid? Of course Columbia was run by the false Jews too, so they not only hired him, they probably sought those particular “skills”.

The Sony years:

“Davis left Arista in 2000 and started J Records, an independent label with financial backing from Arista parent Bertelsmann Music Group. BMG would buy a majority stake in J Records in 2002, and Davis would become president and CEO of the larger RCA Music Group . . .

In 2004, BMG merged with Sony Music Entertainment to form Sony BMG. With the assets of CBS Records now under Sony's ownership, the joint venture would mean a return of sorts for Davis to his former employer. Davis remained with RCA Label Group until 2008, when he was named chief creative officer for Sony BMG. Barry Weiss, head of Sony's Zomba Group of Companies, replaced Davis as RCA Label Group's chairman.[7] Sony BMG became Sony Music Entertainment in late 2008 when BMG sold its shares to Sony.[8] Arista Records and J Records which were both founded by Davis were dissolved in October 2011 through the restructuring of RCA Records. All artists under those labels have been moved to RCA Records.” – Source, Wiki/Sonyyears

Clive Davis is now of course the Chief Creative Officer of Sony Music Entertainment.

[elshaper]

:Dif gary glitter overdoses do we blame tptb/illuminati?
junkie die as junkie does, end thread.
I bet you are The Sun reader :D
Do check the autopsy report and all the court hearing transcripts. You will find what you are saying is utter B.S.

[andiliz]

WoW, I've just spotted this MJ autograph signed in 1997.
Just before the number 1998, he wrote a pyramid △
I'm guessing this is a message, a mark of a significance. e.g. turning point in 1998?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nrAxzdkYPY#t=5m03s
I heard Michael signed "1998" after his name because he thought he might die in that year, it was to protect himself. I think a numerologist told him to write "1998" or something like that. The pyramid △ might be to do with the Illuminati, Freemasons, secret societies, the ancient mystery schools, the elite, the powers that be maybe and/or Egypt.

"Blood on the Dance Floor: HIStory in the Mix" a remix album by Michael Jackson came out in 1997. Looking back I feel the powers that be sealed his fate with that album. I feel they had planned out when he was going to die around the time Michael made the "Blood on the Dance Floor" album.
I bought 2 copies of that album when it first came out. I think Sony were hoping the album would of sold better than it did at the time.

[andiliz]

I found this from Bonnie's blog, very interesting:

Some information on Clive Davis, the one who apparently likes to BRAG about the mess he made of Whitney’s life:

Part of his Dossier includes “From 1967 to 1973 he was the President of Columbia Records. He was the founder and president of Arista Records from 1975 through 2000 until founding J Records. From 2002 until April 2008, Davis was the Chairman and CEO of the RCA Music Group (which included RCA Records, J Records and Arista Records), Chairman and CEO of J Records, and Chairman and CEO of BMG North America. Currently Davis is the Chief Creative Officer of Sony Music Entertainment”. – Source, Wikipedia

His early life is not a surprise either – “Davis was born in Brooklyn, New York to a Jewish family, the son of Herman and Florence Davis. Davis was raised in the middle-class neighborhood of Crown Heights, Brooklyn. He received a full scholarship to New York University College of Arts and Science, where he graduated magna cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa in 1953. He then received a full scholarship to Harvard Law School, where he was a member of the Board of Student Advisers and graduated in 1956.” – Source, Wikipedia/earlylife

Davis was also employed with CBS Records and eventually fired for as one way to put it, being in a “Schmuley Boteach frame of mind” –

“After Davis was fired from CBS Records for allegedly using company funds to bankroll his son's bar mitzvah,[6] Columbia Pictures (at the time unrelated to Columbia Records) hired him to be a consultant for the company's record and music operations. After taking time out to write his memoirs, he founded the company Arista Records (named after New York City's secondary school honor society of which he was a member).” – Source, Wiki/Aristayears

Columbia Pictures GAVE him a job after that? Are they stupid? Of course Columbia was run by the false Jews too, so they not only hired him, they probably sought those particular “skills”.

The Sony years:

“Davis left Arista in 2000 and started J Records, an independent label with financial backing from Arista parent Bertelsmann Music Group. BMG would buy a majority stake in J Records in 2002, and Davis would become president and CEO of the larger RCA Music Group . . .

In 2004, BMG merged with Sony Music Entertainment to form Sony BMG. With the assets of CBS Records now under Sony's ownership, the joint venture would mean a return of sorts for Davis to his former employer. Davis remained with RCA Label Group until 2008, when he was named chief creative officer for Sony BMG. Barry Weiss, head of Sony's Zomba Group of Companies, replaced Davis as RCA Label Group's chairman.[7] Sony BMG became Sony Music Entertainment in late 2008 when BMG sold its shares to Sony.[8] Arista Records and J Records which were both founded by Davis were dissolved in October 2011 through the restructuring of RCA Records. All artists under those labels have been moved to RCA Records.” – Source, Wiki/Sonyyears

Clive Davis is now of course the Chief Creative Officer of Sony Music Entertainment.
Thanks for the info. I wonder where Bonnie Cox gets all her info from?

Another connection Whitney Houston has with Michael Jackson is Raffles van Exel:

Here’s the one person in the Whitney Houston story whose name you have not heard, and who has remained a mystery: a Dutch man from Amsterdam who goes by the name of "Raffles van Exel". He is also known – in court records—as Raffles Dawson and Raffles Benson. He was on the fourth floor of the Beverly Hilton Hotel in one of Houston’s suites when she died. He appeared downstairs in the lobby shortly thereafter, wearing aviator sunglasses, sobbing.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/02/18/whitney-houstons-mystery-friend-was-also-michael-jacksons-pal/

I'm not sure though why Clive Davis would brag about the mess he made of Whitney's life? In public he seems very supportive of her. I don't trust Clive Davis and I'm not supportive of him. Maybe he brags in private? Seems a bit of sick thing to do though if it is true. Clive Davis shouldn't be proud of any of the bad things he has done in his life, even if some of them were mistakes, we all make mistakes from time to time.

I had never heard of "Raffles van Exel" until Michael Jackson died! I know Joe Jackson said he didn't trust "Raffles van Exel", also Frank DiLeo (who has died now) and Tohme Tohme (who is currently being sued by the MJ estate).

[gwynned]

Thanks for the info. I wonder where Bonnie Cox gets all her info from?

Another connection Whitney Houston has with Michael Jackson is Raffles van Exel:

Here’s the one person in the Whitney Houston story whose name you have not heard, and who has remained a mystery: a Dutch man from Amsterdam who goes by the name of "Raffles van Exel". He is also known – in court records—as Raffles Dawson and Raffles Benson. He was on the fourth floor of the Beverly Hilton Hotel in one of Houston’s suites when she died. He appeared downstairs in the lobby shortly thereafter, wearing aviator sunglasses, sobbing.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/02/18/whitney-houstons-mystery-friend-was-also-michael-jacksons-pal/

I'm not sure though why Clive Davis would brag about the mess he made of Whitney's life? In public he seems very supportive of her. I don't trust Clive Davis and I'm not supportive of him. Maybe he brags in private? Seems a bit of sick thing to do though if it is true. Clive Davis shouldn't be proud of any of the bad things he has done in his life, even if some of them were mistakes, we all make mistakes from time to time.
I had never heard of "Raffles van Exel" until Michael Jackson died! I know Joe Jackson said he didn't trust "Raffles van Exel", also Frank DiLeo (who has died now) and Tohme Tohme (who is currently being sued by the MJ estate).


Seriously, who made up that name???? Sounds like a name Kramer would make up. This guy cannot be real. I love the quote:

Look for Raffles at Whitney’s funeral tomorrow. In the old days he used to wear a yellow jacket full of black question marks—like The Riddler. On Saturday night, as he pulled in various guests to Clive Davis’s party past the velvet ropes, he was wearing a Michael Jackson-like tuxedo. He lives in West Hollywood now, but his official domicile—and where he’s been sued—is Chicago. He has not responded to countless emails and phone messages.

[andiliz]

Piers Morgan Tonight: John Branca & Howard Weitzman (10/3/11) - YouTube

[andiliz]

Seriously, who made up that name???? Sounds like a name Kramer would make up. This guy cannot be real. I love the quote:
More about "Raffles van Exel":
Despite the shock of Whitney’s death, Raffles still made it downstairs to Clive Davis’s party. He was dressed in formal wear, had Whitney’s tickets in his hand, and intended to sit at her table. Just inside the ballroom he was comforted by celebrities to whom he related his story—“I found Whitney.” Gayle King hugged him. Quincy Jones listened patiently to his story. A security guard told me later, “Well, he was up there.” He was also hanging around with Houston all week prior to her death. On Tuesday when she emerged from a nightclub, looking disheveled, Raffles appears in a photograph on TMZ like a deer in headlights. He is standing right behind her in a powder blue suit. On Twitter, he wrote: “STOP reading the stupid blogs.. Whitney had a great time, she looked amazing. Nothing was wrong, it was just DAMN hot in that club.”

[andiliz]

Piers Morgan Tonight: John Branca & Howard Weitzman (10/3/11) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwKn3d-vo-Q)
Clive D. Replaces Whitney Houston for Jennifer Hudson day before Whitney's Death - YouTube

[ftil]

I heard Michael signed "1998" after his name because he thought he might die in that year, it was to protect himself. I think a numerologist told him to write "1998" or something like that. The pyramid △ might be to do with the Illuminati, Freemasons, secret societies, the ancient mystery schools, the elite, the powers that be maybe and/or Egypt.

"Blood on the Dance Floor: HIStory in the Mix" a remix album by Michael Jackson came out in 1997. Looking back I feel the powers that be sealed his fate with that album. I feel they had planned out when he was going to die around the time Michael made the "Blood on the Dance Floor" album.
I bought 2 copies of that album when it first came out. I think Sony were hoping the album would of sold better than it did at the time.



I watched video exposing the Industry yesterday. It was an interesting interpretation of Micheal Jackson music video "Black and White". According to the author of the video, Michel sent a massage of breaking free. He smashed swastika symbol as well as KKK symbol (K is 11 letter in alphabet) and a royal symbol.

I don't know if it was posted here.


Black Or White - Controversial Part - YouTube

[lovely one]

After I saw the analysis of that BoW video...I started to understand everything.
Michael was well aware of all the crap in the showbizz industry - more than anybody else. And he spoke about it - he has given us so many messages - we just have to open our eyes finally.
Almost every songs he made has a strong message and meaning - that is fucking unbelivable when you think about it.
How complex he was...true genious. So clever and sharp.

[andiliz]

After I saw the analysis of that BoW video...I started to understand everything.
Michael was well aware of all the crap in the showbizz industry - more than anybody else. And he spoke about it - he has given us so many messages - we just have to open our eyes finally.
Almost every songs he made has a strong message and meaning - that is fucking unbelivable when you think about it.
How complex he was...true genious. So clever and sharp.
Not sure I totally agree with the analysis. I've seen that video before. The sad thing is Michael never really broke free he was controlled right to the end.
I really enjoyed the BoW video when it first came out. Michael danced so good in it! That was a long time ago now. How I wish I could return to those times!
I don't think the music industry/Sony would let anything out, it didn't approve of first. People think the band 'Muse' are exposing the industry with their song "MK Ultra" but really they are just a part of it. Michael was an intelligent man, well read and spiritual.
David Gest was also friends with Whitney Houston so there is another connection Whitney had with Michael. David Gest thinks Whitney should of married Michael. I agree they would a made a great couple. Princess Diana and Michael would of made a great couple too. :)
See this David Gest interview: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/319909

[andiliz]

Michael Jackson‘s estate has finally filed a lawsuit against "Tohme Tohme", who used to call himself “Doctor.” Tohme was Michael Jackson’s penultimate manager–meaning he was replaced just before Jackson’s death by Jackson’s longtime manager and friend, Frank DiLeo. But Tohme, the estate says in a complaint filed by attorney Howard Weitzman, ran amok during his short term between January 2008 and March 2009. It was Tohme, working for Thomas Barrack‘s Colony Capital, who pulled off the sale of Neverland to Colony. But according to the complaint, Jackson never understood that Tohme was also going to receive a finder’s fee for doing work for his own employer. Jackson had no lawyer representing him in his many signed agreements with Tohme, and so didn’t understand that when Colony came up with $24 million to bail out Neverland, Tohme would get $2.4 million.
Read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/02/17/michael-jackson-executors-finally-sue-singers-final-manager/
So the MJ Estate are now suing Tohme Tohme.
And Tohme Tohme is now suing the MJ Estate.
This has to do with the estate getting their hands on "Neverland".
I would of liked to of seen Tohme Tohme testify in the Dr. Murray trial. Also I would of liked to of seen Dr. Arnold Klein (and some of MJ's other doctors), the nanny Grace Rwaramba, John Branca, John McClain, Karen Faye, the Follower fans and Michael Lee Bush all testify in the Dr. Murray trial. Why were these people not called in?
And I think Frank DiLeo died before the trial started.

Also about Tom Mesereau, while he was great in the 2005 Michael Jackson trial. I'm not sure about him anymore, he is part of the Illuminati I think, which is why he is rich and powerful. Tom Mesereau is one of the elite.

[ftil]

After I saw the analysis of that BoW video...I started to understand everything.
Michael was well aware of all the crap in the showbizz industry - more than anybody else. And he spoke about it - he has given us so many messages - we just have to open our eyes finally.
Almost every songs he made has a strong message and meaning - that is fucking unbelivable when you think about it.
How complex he was...true genious. So clever and sharp.



I agree with you. When I saw his video the first time, I thought that it was strange. Not anymore. I have found it quite profound as he sent a clear message. Luckily, we have people who are very perceptive and knowledgeable. There is so much crap on YouTube or internet with
farfetched conclusions or just blatant misinformation. Super Bowl, Grammy, or death of Whitney is one of the examples.

[andiliz]

Conrad Murray The Man Who Killed Michael Jackson.The Interview(1/5) - YouTube

[ftil]

Not sure I totally agree with the analysis. I've seen that video before. The sad thing is Michael never really broke free he was controlled right to the end.
I really enjoyed the BoW video when it first came out. Michael danced so good in it! That was a long time ago now. How I wish I could return to those times!



Hm…….But you have to admit that Michael's video steered many questions. I don’t agree with everything but it was so perceptive and it helped me to see clearly his message. There was much more than it was said in analysis. Michael achieved his goal as he opened a Pandora Box with questions. ;)

[trixie]

Clive D. Replaces Whitney Houston for Jennifer Hudson day before Whitney's Death - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4sm4en8JOw)

Thanks for the vid.

Juliens is already selling Whitneys stuff:


http://news.am/eng/news/94101.html

Huston’s dresses and ornaments from Bodyguard movie on auction


The auction house Julien`s Auctions puts up Whitney Huston’s dresses and ornaments of the Bodyguard movie into auction

According to the head of the action house Darren Julien, the items were available to put in auction after the actress-singer’s tragic death last week.

[lovely one]

The obvious truth is that anybody that does not dance how " they " play is going down. Look back in time , talking about musicians ( not even going into politics...) : Bob Marley , John Lennon , Tu-pac , and of course - the biggest and most influential _ MJ. They all spoke against elite , they were saying we must think for our selves.
First they fill you with drugs, everything is avalaible - you just ask for it , you are a celebrity. You get it. They blackmail you , if you resist , they will frame you with something - a rape or a pedophilia. How cute.
They will ruin your dignity. If you come back and continue to speak up - they will kill you.
And continue to make money out of you.

[gwynned]

The obvious truth is that anybody that does not dance how " they " play is going down. Look back in time , talking about musicians ( not even going into politics...) : Bob Marley , John Lennon , Tu-pac , and of course - the biggest and most influential _ MJ. They all spoke against elite , they were saying we must think for our selves.
First they fill you with drugs, everything is avalaible - you just ask for it , you are a celebrity. You get it. They blackmail you , if you resist , they will frame you with something - a rape or a pedophilia. How cute.
They will ruin your dignity. If you come back and continue to speak up - they will kill you.
And continue to make money out of you.

+1

[andiliz]

Thanks for the vid.

Juliens is already selling Whitneys stuff:


http://news.am/eng/news/94101.html

Huston’s dresses and ornaments from Bodyguard movie on auction


The auction house Julien`s Auctions puts up Whitney Huston’s dresses and ornaments of the Bodyguard movie into auction

According to the head of the action house Darren Julien, the items were available to put in auction after the actress-singer’s tragic death last week.
I guess they are auctioning Whitney's stage costumes and the costumes she wore in her movies.

For me Whitney's death is just like living 25th June 2009 over again. There are so many parallels between Michael and Whitney.

David Gest says Whitney loved Michael Jackson and wanted to marry him. I think they would of made a great couple.:)

David Gest said: "She really loved Michael and he adored her. Michael told me they once shared a passionate kiss, and she told me she was at one time very much in love with him," (Contactmusic quoted him as saying.)

"I think she really wanted to marry him, but although he had a crush on her, he was too shy.

[andiliz]

Viagogo - the Great Ticket Scandal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WWlnL8drSdw

[ftil]

David Gest says Whitney loved Michael Jackson and wanted to marry him. I think they would of made a great couple.:)

David Gest said: "She really loved Michael and he adored her. Michael told me they once shared a passionate kiss, and she told me she was at one time very much in love with him," (Contactmusic quoted him as saying.)



So, Whitney is not a lesbian any more. :D Both died but they are still a source of a gossip. But if a few here believe that Michael is alive……that may explain everything. :p

[andiliz]

So, Whitney is not a lesbian any more. :D Both died but they are still a source of a gossip. But if a few here believe that Michael is alive……that may explain everything. :p
I think Michael Jackson is dead and was murdered by the powers that be/the elite. But who knows for sure? There are people who believe Michael Jackson is still alive.

As for Whitney Houston being a lesbian or bisexual that has not been proven. I guess you are thinking about Whitney's close friendship with Robyn Crawford?

David Gest thinks Whitney was in love with Michael. It's true they had a close friendship. David Gest might of got it wrong? David Gest was said to of been friends with both Michael and Whitney.

I think Michael and Princess Diana would of made a great couple, or Michael and Whitney.

Michael liked tall, glamorous, slim, beautiful women. But they had to be beautiful 'inside' as well as 'outside' and they had to be intelligent (high IQ), sane (of sound mind), wholesome, strong and have good 'eyesight' (not wear glasses).

[andiliz]

Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston: The "Demonic" Music Industry - YouTube

[ftil]

As for Whitney Houston being a lesbian or bisexual that has not been proven. I guess you are thinking about Whitney's close friendship with Robyn Crawford?


No, I don’t think about it. I was just sarcasm. Do you think that if women have close friendships with another female …they must be lesbian. :D

DI forum is an endless source of good laughter. ;)

[hell_no]

I think Michael Jackson is dead and was murdered by the powers that be/the elite. But who knows for sure? There are people who believe Michael Jackson is still alive.

As for Whitney Houston being a lesbian or bisexual that has not been proven. I guess you are thinking about Whitney's close friendship with Robyn Crawford?

David Gest thinks Whitney was in love with Michael. It's true they had a close friendship. David Gest might of got it wrong? David Gest was said to of been friends with both Michael and Whitney.

I think Michael and Princess Diana would of made a great couple, or Michael and Whitney.

Michael liked tall, glamorous, slim, beautiful women. But they had to be beautiful 'inside' as well as 'outside' and they had to be intelligent (high IQ), sane (of sound mind), wholesome, strong and have good 'eyesight' (not wear glasses).

MJ died in a really weird way. I don't believe in the hoax but I can understand the believers a little. There is some weird stuff that happened after his death and even before. For example the enquirer knew that mj would die within 6 months?
And also weird the enquirer also had the photo with whitney in the casket..
( and.. two years ago the enquirer already predicted whitney's death)
What insiders/snakes do they have?
Or are they just lucky guesses?

http://www.oe24.at/leute/international/Whitney-Houston-Ist-sie-am-Ende/749497

http://www.paperblog.fr/1458762/michael-jackson-mort-dans-6-mois/

[andiliz]

MJ died in a really weird way. I don't believe in the hoax but I can understand the believers a little. There is some weird stuff that happened after his death and even before. For example the enquirer knew that mj would die within 6 months?
And also weird the enquirer also had the photo with whitney in the casket..
( and.. two years ago the enquirer already predicted whitney's death)
What insiders/snakes do they have?
Or are they just lucky guesses?

http://www.oe24.at/leute/international/Whitney-Houston-Ist-sie-am-Ende/749497

http://www.paperblog.fr/1458762/michael-jackson-mort-dans-6-mois/
Yes it has all been very strange. I wonder if we will ever know the truth? Maybe in 10 or 20 years?
I think both Michael and Whitney's death were both illuminati blood sacrifices. But I don't know that for sure.
I heard both Joe Jackson and La Toya Jackson have been selling stories to 'The National Enquirer'. That is why I don't trust them anymore.
'TMZ' know a lot as well, don't they?

[ray nelson]

I remember reading (before he died) Michael Jackson owed 450-500 million to lenders with mafia connections and it was a matter of time before they off'd him as due to all the negative publicity he would never be in a position to pay back the debt while alive and the back catalogue/assets etc were worth more once he was out the way

the whole last tour thing seemed to be a farce, he didnt look physically or mentally capable of performing the amount of dates they sold tickets for

no links Im afraid but sure I didnt dream it

:rolleyes:

[trixie]

Yes it has all been very strange. I wonder if we will ever know the truth? Maybe in 10 or 20 years?
I think both Michael and Whitney's death were both illuminati blood sacrifices. But I don't know that for sure.
I heard both Joe Jackson and La Toya Jackson have been selling stories to 'The National Enquirer'. That is why I don't trust them anymore.
'TMZ' know a lot as well, don't they?

I don't understand the blood sacrifices but I am quite sure they were both murdered, both more valuable alive than dead. Both were involved in comebacks that give alot of publicity- so when they pass their songs, memorablia are more valuable.

There are strange, conflicting stories going around too, alot of deliberate misinformation.

[elshaper]

I find it interesting to find explanation of symbolism of Michael becoming a panther in this video and also another person on the second video.

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY EXPOSED - Michael Jackson's Vitiligo (Part 8) Greek subs - YouTube

MJ - A Black Man from Gary Indiana - YouTube

[trixie]

There have been a number of strange, suspicious deaths of people connected to Michael Jackson since his own death/murder such as:

1. Evan Chandler. (born Evan Robert Charmatz) (January 25, 1944 - November 5, 2009) was an American screenwriter and dentist, and was best known as accuser to Michael Jackson. In 1993, Evan Chandler accused Michael Jackson of molesting his son Jordan Chandler after his son told him of the allegations while under the influence of sodium amytal,also known to "induce false memory syndrome",during some surgery.

2. Bruce Ayers.
Bruce - Worked for three years as Dr. Arnold Klein's research assistant and confidant, was found dead on a sidewalk on December 18th 2009 in Los Angeles. Dr. Arnold Klein was Michael Jackson's dermatologist.

3. Peter Lopez.
Peter - Was an entertainment lawyer who represented Michael Jackson (and was Catherine Bach's husband). Peter Lopez died of a gunshot wound at his home in California. On April 30, 2010, 60 year old Peter Lopez was found shot dead - an apparent suicide or was he murdered?

4. Sulema and Jerrielle Wilborn.
Sulema and Jerriell - Legal Clinic volunteers for Tom Mesereau, Michael’s attorney during the 2005 trial. Gangland style shooting. Both her and her husband killed, car crashing into a pole on August 4th, 2010 in South Los Angeles. Source: http://projects.latimes.com/homicide...ulema-wilborn/

5. Ronni Chasen. (October 17, 1946 – November 16, 2010) was an American publicist, who once represented such actors as Michael Douglas and I think at one time represented Michael Jackson, or was connected to Michael Jackson in some way? Ronni Chasen was shot in Beverly Hills on November 16th, 2010, at approximately 12:28 a.m., as she was driving home from the Hollywood premiere of the film "Burlesque".

6. Corey Haim. (December 23, 1971 – March 10, 2010) who was a Canadian actor, known for a 1980s Hollywood career as a teen idol. Corey was at one time friends with Michael Jackson for a while.

7. Dame Elizabeth Taylor, DBE. (February 27, 1932 – March 23, 2011) was a very famous British-American actress/movie star/child star and a close friend of Michael Jackson. (Not sure if Elizabeth Taylor's death is suspicious?)

8. Frank DiLeo. (October 23, 1947 – August 24, 2011) was an Italian-American music industry executive and actor, known for his portrayal of gangster Tuddy Cicero in Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas. For five years in the late 1980s, and again in 2009, he was Michael Jackson's manager.

9. Dwight Arrington Myers. (May 24, 1967 – November 8, 2011), better known as "Heavy D", was a Jamaican-born American rapper, record producer, singer, actor, and former leader of "Heavy D & the Boyz", a hip hop group which included G-Whiz (Glen Parrish), "Trouble" T. Roy (Troy Dixon), and Eddie F (born Edward Ferrell). The group maintained a sizable audience in the United States through most of the 1990s. The five albums the group released were produced by Teddy Riley, Marley Marl, his cousin Pete Rock and Eddie F. The bridge of Michael Jackson's song "Jam" features a rap performed by Heavy D, which is on Michael Jackson's 1991 "Dangerous" album. (Not sure if Heavy D's death is suspicious?)

I thought about this for a while & perhaps Bruce Ayers death has more to do with the stealing from Dr. Klein that Klein has been complaining about. I do think his death is suspicious but with the embezzlement from Klein..... hmmm. He may have threatened people involved.

[andiliz]

I thought about this for a while & perhaps Bruce Ayers death has more to do with the stealing from Dr. Klein that Klein has been complaining about. I do think his death is suspicious but with the embezzlement from Klein..... hmmm. He may have threatened people involved.
You could be right about Bruce Ayers. I don't trust Dr. Klein, do you trust him?
I now think Heavy D's death is suspicious after I saw this video:
Heavy D, Blood Sacrifice & Sun Worship PT 2 - YouTube
And now of course we have the suspicious deaths of Soul Train's Don Cornelius and Whitney Houston's tragic death. Not sure how these deaths relate directly to the Michael Jackson murder? It seems there are many Satanic murders in Hollywood.

[andiliz]

Dr. Karla Turner - UFO & Military Abductions Part 7 of 12:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vg4CTuqqj9M

Dr. Karla Turner was widely respected in the UFO community for her research on alien abduction. A scholar and professional educator, she earned a Ph.D. in Old English studies and taught at the university level in Texas for more than ten years. But in 1988, she and her husband and son endured a shocking series of experiences and recollections that forced them to recognize that they were all abductees.

She died of cancer on January 10, 1996, after being threatened for her work. She was just 48. Since then, several other people involved in UFO investigation have also experienced threats followed by highly unusual cancer.

http://www.karlaturner.org/

I believe UFOs come from the CIA, the military and the American government, not from aliens in outer space.

Interesting that Shirley MacLaine was one person who's name kept popping up in Karla Turner's abduction investigations in regards to abductees constantly seeing her, or what appeared to be her, at these locales (underground bases/aboard ships) where barbaric, horrifying experimentations took place. Notable others like Bill Clinton, 'Michael Jackson', and Ted Danson were also reportedly seen by abductees at these bizarre events.

[trixie]

You could be right about Bruce Ayers. I don't trust Dr. Klein, do you trust him?
I now think Heavy D's death is suspicious after I saw this video:
Heavy D, Blood Sacrifice & Sun Worship PT 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf7tzyOyF-E)
And now of course we have the suspicious deaths of Soul Train's Don Cornelius and Whitney Houston's tragic death. Not sure how these deaths relate directly to the Michael Jackson murder? It seems there are many Satanic murders in Hollywood.

No, I think Klein is very suspicious & knows alot more. Murray didn't come up with the propofol treatment. My bet is it was Klein in some convoluted way.

I wish Dr. Adams had testified.

Rather interesting but scary video.

I remember Dr. Sebi was around Michael Jackson for a while during the 2005 trial or maybe before & I was so glad when he was gone. I read Randy Jackson got rid of him, what a blessing. Seemed like a real quack, not to mention a crook. Lisa Lopes didn't seem so lucky. And of course as I saw in the vid, no seatbelt.

I think you're right about Heavy D, but I have never looked into it really.

Whitney Houston's death is very suspicious. Hollywood & the music industry seem to be run by crooks. Probably not a direct connection except for LAPD & the coroner's office covering things up. Anything for $$$$$$. There certainly is alot of satan imagery in Hollywood, cannot be denied.

[andiliz]

This is what Bonnie Cox said on her blog about AEG Live and the O2 Arena:

"Anonymous - that's funny. I've had TINI people accuse me of that before (being paid by AEG Live). But nope. I'm jobless. Regardless, I think it should be made clear that while AEG is not on my priority list, the PEOPLE who are accused of things they did not do ARE my priority. While I don't care about AEG, I DO CARE about the people and in my research there were people affiliated with that company and Colony Capital that HELPED MICHAEL. There WERE NO PROBLEMS until SONY entered the picture. So take that for however you want to interpret it.

I don't know what you mean by I have different views to a lot of MJ fans (do you mean I'm not in agreement with the majority?) That's because I don't follow a crowd. I do the research. Some of the leaders of some so-called fan groups don't like that. Too bad. Truth is not based on popularity. If it WERE Michael would still be here.

I find it incredibly hypocritical that some of these fans would not trust Jermaine but would trust Branca or the Cascios or worse . . . someone like Charles Thomson or Aphrodite Jones . . . people who NEVER MET THE MAN over Michael's own flesh and blood. There is a pack mentality in that fan base driven by people who are not fans but PAID BLOGGERS FOR THE ESTATE AND SONY.

Nobody knows Tohme Tohme so they make stuff up. I found nothing sinister about him, but then I've found very little about him at all. He wears a scowl. Good. There were people that SHOULD NOT have gotten close to Michael that did not because Tohme did his job. Tohme did not kill Michael and he has NO CONNECTION TO SONY.

Don't worry about the 02 Arena. I have already done the research on that building and there is nothing of interest other than several companies use the venue for concerts. And from what I could tell, no witchcraft conventions have been held there to date. "


The thing is that while I don't trust John Branca or the Cascios family. They did meet Michael Jackson many times. So Bonnie Cox is wrong about that.

Bonnie Cox's blog: http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/

[andiliz]

No, I think Klein is very suspicious & knows alot more. Murray didn't come up with the propofol treatment. My bet is it was Klein in some convoluted way.

I wish Dr. Adams had testified.

Rather interesting but scary video.

I remember Dr. Sebi was around Michael Jackson for a while during the 2005 trial or maybe before & I was so glad when he was gone. I read Randy Jackson got rid of him, what a blessing. Seemed like a real quack, not to mention a crook. Lisa Lopes didn't seem so lucky. And of course as I saw in the vid, no seatbelt.

I think you're right about Heavy D, but I have never looked into it really.

Whitney Houston's death is very suspicious. Hollywood & the music industry seem to be run by crooks. Probably not a direct connection except for LAPD & the coroner's office covering things up. Anything for $$$$$$. There certainly is alot of satan imagery in Hollywood, cannot be denied.
Assistant Chief Coroner 'Ed Winter' is looking very dodgy to me. Ed Winter was the coroner for Michael Jackson, Brittany Murphy, Peter Lopez, Ronni Chasen, Corey Haim, Heavy D, Soul Train creator Don Cornelius and Whitney Houston.
Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter's Speaks To The Press [Mirrored] - YouTube

Ed Winter, the coroner's spokesman, said no illegal drugs found at Heavy D's Beverly Hills home. A doctor prescribed him a drug after he experienced a cough.

Read more celebrity gossip at: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2011/11/heavy-d-autopsy-results-inconclusive/#ixzz1pFBdGmCF

[trixie]

This is what Bonnie Cox said on her blog about AEG Live and the O2 Arena:

"Anonymous - that's funny. I've had TINI people accuse me of that before (being paid by AEG Live). But nope. I'm jobless. Regardless, I think it should be made clear that while AEG is not on my priority list, the PEOPLE who are accused of things they did not do ARE my priority. While I don't care about AEG, I DO CARE about the people and in my research there were people affiliated with that company and Colony Capital that HELPED MICHAEL. There WERE NO PROBLEMS until SONY entered the picture. So take that for however you want to interpret it.

I don't know what you mean by I have different views to a lot of MJ fans (do you mean I'm not in agreement with the majority?) That's because I don't follow a crowd. I do the research. Some of the leaders of some so-called fan groups don't like that. Too bad. Truth is not based on popularity. If it WERE Michael would still be here.

I find it incredibly hypocritical that some of these fans would not trust Jermaine but would trust Branca or the Cascios or worse . . . someone like Charles Thomson or Aphrodite Jones . . . people who NEVER MET THE MAN over Michael's own flesh and blood. There is a pack mentality in that fan base driven by people who are not fans but PAID BLOGGERS FOR THE ESTATE AND SONY.

Nobody knows Tohme Tohme so they make stuff up. I found nothing sinister about him, but then I've found very little about him at all. He wears a scowl. Good. There were people that SHOULD NOT have gotten close to Michael that did not because Tohme did his job. Tohme did not kill Michael and he has NO CONNECTION TO SONY.

Don't worry about the 02 Arena. I have already done the research on that building and there is nothing of interest other than several companies use the venue for concerts. And from what I could tell, no witchcraft conventions have been held there to date. "


The thing is that while I don't trust John Branca or the Cascios family. They did meet Michael Jackson many times. So Bonnie Cox is wrong about that.

Bonnie Cox's blog: http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/

Bonnie Cox has some excellent research but sometimes is way off base & totally refuses to see any wrong with AEG & CC & apparently Thome. :confused:

There has to be something there otherwise Kathie Jorrie wouldn't have lied on the stand, KO was strange (I think he lied too), RP (Mr. "to the best of my recollection") evasive & imo lied too.

I know LeGrand investigated Branca for having an offshore account with money from Sony to defraud Michael Jackson. I don't think MJ would have ever rehired him- RP brought him back in having I think to do with money for the movie This Is It.

[trixie]

Assistant Chief Coroner 'Ed Winter' is looking very dodgy to me. Ed Winter was the coroner for Michael Jackson, Brittany Murphy, Peter Lopez, Ronni Chasen, Corey Haim, Heavy D, Soul Train creator Don Cornelius and Whitney Houston.
Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter's Speaks To The Press [Mirrored] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=868YoHXOi9A)

Ed Winter, the coroner's spokesman, said no illegal drugs found at Heavy D's Beverly Hills home. A doctor prescribed him a drug after he experienced a cough.

Read more celebrity gossip at: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2011/11/heavy-d-autopsy-results-inconclusive/#ixzz1pFBdGmCF

Ed Winters is beyond dodgy- did you watch Dr. Rogers testimony? The man is excellent at dodginess- he knew exactly what he was doing on the stand, so he's done it countless times before. I figure they are all corrupt.:mad:

Did you know Ed Winters went into the grammy party after Whitney Houston died. Very odd, don't you think? He apparently had a gun also. I don't know if that's normal for a coroner spokesman, but I don't remember ever seeing him with a gun before.