Witnessing documents

[tien an]

I had an interesting conversation with my local sub-postmaster yesterday, where I described to him the system in place in France whereby if you need a certified copy of a document, you just toddle down to the main post office and have someone down there read it, stamp and sign it...and it's free!!

He then told me that he is authorised to do exactly the same thing.
Not only that, but just as he is authorised to witness your passport application, he can witness any document.
"...for a small fee, of course." he added, grinning. "£5.00 should do it...cheaper than a solicitor."

I haven't yet told him that I'd like him to witness my NoUaI & CoR, but I'll keep you posted on the results of that.

Peace,
tian an.

[yozhik]

Yes.
It's legit.
I am aware of someone who frequently uses a "friendly" Post Master for this purpose.
In fact, the Post Master gets quite a kick out of it; loves the work being done and [quietly] supports the premise upon which the Freeman/CR argument is standing upon.

[rosix]

wow
I had no idea that he could do this alone and at a fee at his discretion
I'm sure I could find a nice post master up in north east England for this purpose :D

[lesactive]

Many bank tellers have certain notary powers as well. Being a witness to documentation is just one of them. Doesn't hurt to ask them but chances are unless it's bank related they may not help you. Although, if you knew of someone who is a teller....

[rosix]

Many bank tellers have certain notary powers as well. Being a witness to documentation is just one of them. Doesn't hurt to ask them but chances are unless it's bank related they may not help you. Although, if you knew of someone who is a teller....

I know a few! I have it on my list to do, to basically pick their brains about things.. one of them is a manager for a branch of a big-name British high-street bank.

[bsmurph83]

cops, pharmacists and MPs can also witness doc's. i've used two of the three (not the pharmacist thus far).

i've had some copies certified by post office clerks too. for all the freakin' good it did! (traffic infringement bullshit. waste of time, they totally ignore all the letters you send and continue trying to extract money from you) :D

[burnttoast]

I had an interesting conversation with my local sub-postmaster yesterday, where I described to him the system in place in France whereby if you need a certified copy of a document, you just toddle down to the main post office and have someone down there read it, stamp and sign it...and it's free!!

He then told me that he is authorised to do exactly the same thing.
Not only that, but just as he is authorised to witness your passport application, he can witness any document.
"...for a small fee, of course." he added, grinning. "£5.00 should do it...cheaper than a solicitor."

I haven't yet told him that I'd like him to witness my NoUaI & CoR, but I'll keep you posted on the results of that.

Peace,
tian an.

Just like to add some info to the mix...you to can be the "postmaster" of your documents and presentments which spins you into international jurisdiction, thus adding a great deal of weight to your docs.

The post office is one of the only agencies which works on the private side and deals with the public through the postal service...

Here's a link for more info: http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/corporate_u_s/news.php?q=1227234422


Peace

[girlgye]

Does it carry as much weight to be viewed in the private side as Notary seal over a judge? I'd sure like to get my NOUI off but don't have the stumps.

[burnttoast]

Does it carry as much weight to be viewed in the private side as Notary seal over a judge? I'd sure like to get my NOUI off but don't have the stumps.

2-3 verifiers equal a notary with one of the verifiers acting on a "promise to perform" agreement. Certification of agreement could be made after the presentment process to validate the claim...simply have the verifiers present when making the claim for certification...Notary equals 2 witnesses and record holder. Which is where the verifier with "Promise to perform" comes in.

Peace

[tien an]

2-3 verifiers equal a notary with one of the verifiers acting on a "promise to perform" agreement. Certification of agreement could be made after the presentment process to validate the claim...simply have the verifiers present when making the claim for certification...Notary equals 2 witnesses and record holder. Which is where the verifier with "Promise to perform" comes in.

Peace

Hi burnttoast (love your posts).
Could you explain 'promise to perform' for me please?

tian an.

[burnttoast]

Hi burnttoast (love your posts).
Could you explain 'promise to perform' for me please?

tian an.

"Promise to perform" is an administrative agreement that you and a 3rd party agree to so that the other party is acting "as a Notary" in the capacity of delivering your presentments, keeping the records and recieving an corresponding docs. They're basically your 3rd party buffer, which is what a Notary does.

The process with the verifiers is handled on the "private" side, once you have all your presentments in order to file a claim...take your docs for certification , but don't make the docs "Publicly recorded"...it's your "Notice of Claim" which is recorded....if you put your private docs on public record, you essentially give up "rights" to them....hey I'm learning too, but i find this all fascinating.

Peace

[tien an]

"Promise to perform" is an administrative agreement that you and a 3rd party agree to so that the other party is acting "as a Notary" in the capacity of delivering your presentments, keeping the records and recieving an corresponding docs. They're basically your 3rd party buffer, which is what a Notary does.

The process with the verifiers is handled on the "private" side, once you have all your presentments in order to file a claim...take your docs for certification , but don't make the docs "Publicly recorded"...it's your "Notice of Claim" which is recorded....if you put your private docs on public record, you essentially give up "rights" to them....hey I'm learning too, but i find this all fascinating.

Peace

Thanks...but damn!
What does that mean; your private docs on public record means you give up the rights to them?

3rd Party buffer: Does this mean that whoever does this can be prosecuted over the content of the documents?

Sorry for asking questions like this, but it's turning into a bit of a rabbit-hole for me (as if everything else wasn't).

Thanks in advance,
tian an.

PS does the same individual need any particular qualifications/to be aware of any nasty things that might surprise others?

[tien an]

Many bank tellers have certain notary powers as well. Being a witness to documentation is just one of them. Doesn't hurt to ask them but chances are unless it's bank related they may not help you. Although, if you knew of someone who is a teller....

Yes...before they bent me over and shafted me, the employee of NatWest who opened my account for me was only too happy to act in this capacity on my behalf.

(I'm sure they wouldn't be so keen now, though...)

tian an.

[burnttoast]

Thanks...but damn!
What does that mean; your private docs on public record means you give up the rights to them?

Once your private administration procedures go public, you've essentially given up title to them...this is why as an example when a claim is made in public it's a "Notice"...you don't see the docs associated with the claim. However, if it's a "Public" entity giving the claim...there are ways to make them show their claim...if they can't....you win.

Hence why many have been successful in Accepting claims upon proof of claim...bottom line a fiction can't produce anything of substance.

However.....a document like a "Negative Avertment" (an affidavit) produced in a public court proceeding would be beneficial as your basically cancelling all claims by your adversary...with your notice on the other hand backed by your private administrative priocedures..you've just come in with a loaded gun to MAKE THEM PAY!...gotta love counter claims!


3rd Party buffer: Does this mean that whoever does this can be prosecuted over the content of the documents?


Well, yes...if they've perjured themselves and haven't gone through with the process lawfully. Did they witness your signature? Did they send the docs? etc..... A Notarys' responsibility is quite vast and not to be taken lightly.



PS does the same individual need any particular qualifications/to be aware of any nasty things that might surprise others?

A citizen of the Country in question in good standing and not a party which would benefit from the claim....having a spouse be a Notary for instance could be construed as "conflict of interest", but a trusted friend with no legal entanglements would suffice.

Peace

[bsmurph83]

Just like to add some info to the mix...you to can be the "postmaster" of your documents and presentments which spins you into international jurisdiction, thus adding a great deal of weight to your docs.

The post office is one of the only agencies which works on the private side and deals with the public through the postal service...

Here's a link for more info: http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/corporate_u_s/news.php?q=1227234422


Peace

burnttoast! i have used the diagonal autograph across stamps but only knew that it somehow meant assuming the role of 'postmaster'. i didn't have any idea it put one in international jurisdiction. perhaps you can answer a question or two that are related for me:

i've done the whole conditional acceptance + affidavit and thrown in the diagonally autographed stamps for good measure as well - this is in relation to claims made against me by Civic Compliance in relation to traffic offences. even had them certified by the local MP.

anyway, they totally ignored all my doc's and steamrolled ahead in demanding payment and i've now got letters from the magistrate's court saying i can either pay up or apply (like a slave) for revocation, which if they reject will result in a court hearing. so, since i'm not aware of any better options and know they will probably ignore any further paperwork, i figure i'll re-work their application forms and when they get rejected, just go to court. my question is:

how does one get the judge to see and acknowledge these documents if you are only in court in the private capacity???

i'd be interested to know what your approach in court would be in this sort of scenario! :cool:

[burnttoast]

burnttoast! i have used the diagonal autograph across stamps but only knew that it somehow meant assuming the role of 'postmaster'. i didn't have any idea it put one in international jurisdiction. perhaps you can answer a question or two that are related for me:

i've done the whole conditional acceptance + affidavit and thrown in the diagonally autographed stamps for good measure as well - this is in relation to claims made against me by Civic Compliance in relation to traffic offences. even had them certified by the local MP.

anyway, they totally ignored all my doc's and steamrolled ahead in demanding payment and i've now got letters from the magistrate's court saying i can either pay up or apply (like a slave) for revocation, which if they reject will result in a court hearing. so, since i'm not aware of any better options and know they will probably ignore any further paperwork, i figure i'll re-work their application forms and when they get rejected, just go to court. my question is:

how does one get the judge to see and acknowledge these documents if you are only in court in the private capacity???

i'd be interested to know what your approach in court would be in this sort of scenario! :cool:

You can't enter court in the private capacity without controversey....however your private documents can be submitted as private for the "Judges Chambers" only...

As for steamrolling over your docs which you stamp labelled...put them to task that you will be contacting the Post Master General to look into this..

The Post Office has superior jurisdiction over any other governmental body...It's international...if you can proove they've dishonoured your documents....Civi Compliance is in huge trouble...if your administrative process holds up...

If you have evidence that they recieved your documents (Via Registered mail with returned signature) and they've ignored them, they are in dishonour...

Best of luck with this

Peace

[bsmurph83]

hmm interesting stuff, toast. thanks for the input.

you got any reading material you can recommend along these lines?

EDIT: ps - i was unable to find copies of the doc's i referred to that i marked and sent in this way... guess that means i can't go down that avenue with the postmaster general... unless the registered mail receipt counts for anything?

pps - still can't locate those particular doc's but have registered post receipts for several other communications and one delivery confirmation to show they got it. useful?

[burnttoast]

hmm interesting stuff, toast. thanks for the input.

you got any reading material you can recommend along these lines?

EDIT: ps - i was unable to find copies of the doc's i referred to that i marked and sent in this way... guess that means i can't go down that avenue with the postmaster general... unless the registered mail receipt counts for anything?

pps - still can't locate those particular doc's but have registered post receipts for several other communications and one delivery confirmation to show they got it. useful?

The reciepts do count...however alot of the wind out of your claim is taken if you can't provide the docs associated with them...however another remedy could be to use an Affidavit of Truth stating what you sent with refernce to the Registered Mail # associated with the docs in question.....it's why keeping records is so important in these cases as it's your administrative procedure that needs to be addressed in order to strengthen your claim when putting notice to the public.

Administrative process - substance (private)
Notice of Claim (Anchored to your private admin process) - form (public)

In many instances it's not what you bring in as evidence, but what the other party can't proove...think of it as a hot potato in contracts....Offer...Acceptance....who's the one holding the bill? The one who is....is the one's liable for it.

Here's an example.....

John - "David owe's me 2000 bucks"
David - "Can I see my obligation of my alledged liability so that I may administer my affairs and settle this claim?"
John - (no response)

Guess who's holding the potato?......David accepted, but John can't back his claim......David can now proceed to move the court to dismiss the claim as John is unable to show evidence to David's Conditional Acceptance.

This can be addressed to attorney's, judges or anyone...it's all about offer and acceptance and staying in honour....argue and you're acting like a child and in contempt....always ask the question to move the court to your benefit....same goes for your notices and docs associated with them.

There's no Silver Bullet method as each situation is different....knowing who you are IS THE FOUNDATION of all this!

When your AS-KING a question your acting like a soveriegn....note the word in bold.



Peace

[bsmurph83]

gold.

and i DO consider myself royalty. *chuckles*

[tien an]

I had an interesting conversation with my local sub-postmaster yesterday, where I described to him the system in place in France whereby if you need a certified copy of a document, you just toddle down to the main post office and have someone down there read it, stamp and sign it...and it's free!!

He then told me that he is authorised to do exactly the same thing.
Not only that, but just as he is authorised to witness your passport application, he can witness any document.
"...for a small fee, of course." he added, grinning. "£5.00 should do it...cheaper than a solicitor."

I haven't yet told him that I'd like him to witness my NoUaI & CoR, but I'll keep you posted on the results of that.

Peace,
tian an.

Well, I showed him my NOUI/CoR and he didn't want anything to do with it...
*crossed off list.

tian an.

[girlgye]

Once your private administration procedures go public, you've essentially given up title to them...this is why as an example when a claim is made in public it's a "Notice"...you don't see the docs associated with the claim. However, if it's a "Public" entity giving the claim...there are ways to make them show their claim...if they can't....you win.


Hence why many have been successful in Accepting claims upon proof of claim...bottom line a fiction can't produce anything of substance.

However.....a document like a "Negative Avertment" (an affidavit) produced in a public court proceeding would be beneficial as your basically cancelling all claims by your adversary...with your notice on the other hand backed by your private administrative priocedures..you've just come in with a loaded gun to MAKE THEM PAY!...gotta love counter clai


Well, yes...if they've perjured themselves and haven't gone through with the process lawfully. Did they witness your signature? Did they send the docs? etc..... A Notarys' responsibility is quite vast and not to be taken lightly.




A citizen of the Country in question in good standing and not a party which would benefit from the claim....having a spouse be a Notary for instance could be construed as "conflict of interest", but a trusted friend with no legal entanglements would suffice.

Peace

The way I've been doing it is sending notices privately with the view of going towards summary judgement.
This is worrying me. Are you suggesting that when I send in my private correspondence and they put it on a public file it is not being recognised. I really am trying to get to this public/private thing at the moment it's doin my head in.

So what would be the correct private admin procedure? I've been sending in Notices publicly. What is a private procedure when I write a letter personally to the judge?

[jp13]

Just another question Buttered Toast, Does this action work with things like wills i.e. Last Will and Testament + or Living wills

[burnttoast]

The way I've been doing it is sending notices privately with the view of going towards summary judgement.
This is worrying me. Are you suggesting that when I send in my private correspondence and they put it on a public file it is not being recognised. I really am trying to get to this public/private thing at the moment it's doin my head in.

So what would be the correct private admin procedure? I've been sending in Notices publicly. What is a private procedure when I write a letter personally to the judge?

Go to Living Temple audio session 4 and 5 at creditorsincommerce.com (http://www.creditorsincommerce.com/audio-living-temple.php) and you'll have a 6 hour lecture summed up in reference to your question...

Download the video's if you can, diagrams are used on occassion...

Peace

[bsmurph83]

wow, what an awesome resource. cheers, toast :cool:

this should answer all of my questions about private/public paperwork

[rosix]

I know this may sound like a stupid question and I haven't really tried to research it myself but,

if I get a policeman to witness a document do I need to pay him? if I know one personally and he does it for free, is this a conflict of interest?