Chavez, Castro - All Freemasons?

[seo_monster]

I wonder this:

Supposed conflict between US and [Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.]

Now aren't Chavez, Castro, Putin and Chinese president Hu Jintao freemasons as well?

Well so are the Rockefellers, Bush, EU politicians etc.

I have found solid evidence that Ahmadinajad and Hu Jintao are masons and are dedicated satanists (sorry I do not have the links but this was on this forum). There were multiple photos of them giving satanic salutes(through a hand sign) to each other.

Basically my question is this so are all these people 33 degree masons without an expeception that are creating an artificial conflict to create a war that will wipe out the majority of the population?

So all this Chavez, Castro vs US "conflicts" a hoax? Ahmadinejad is just playing the game/role? All of them are planning one thing with Rothschilds/Bush etc?

What are you thoughts on this?

[keystone]

I wonder this:

Supposed conflict between US and [Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.]

Now aren't Chavez, Castro, Putin and Chinese president Hu Jintao freemasons as well?

Well so are the Rockefellers, Bush, EU politicians etc.

I have found solid evidence that Ahmadinajad and Hu Jintao are masons and are dedicated satanists (sorry I do not have the links but this was on this forum). There were multiple photos of them giving satanic salutes(through a hand sign) to each other.I'd like to see this solid evidence.

Basically my question is this so are all these people 33 degree masons without an expeception that are creating an artificial conflict to create a war that will wipe out the majority of the population?Thats no beyond the bounds of possibility whether or not they are freemasons.

So all this Chavez, Castro vs US "conflicts" a hoax?I don't think so. Chavez has to be controlled. Castro is personal - has been for years.

Ahmadinejad is just playing the game/role?Him we need to take VERY seriously.

Cheers

[seo_monster]

Well look

I see things like this. Communism/Socialism was created by freemasons. So if these leaders follow the extreme of these teachings(I mean Castro, Hu Jintao) then they must be a part of the same crap

[keystone]

Well look

I see things like this. Communism/Socialism was created by freemasons. So if these leaders follow the extreme of these teachings(I mean Castro, Hu Jintao) then they must be a part of the same crap

So you don't have any solid evidence then?

OK new question - is there any data to support your theory that Communism and Socialism were created by Freemasons?

Cheers

[seo_monster]

hey, well there is to say that there is never 100% solid proof.

But here are some fats. If to research who created communism, socialism etc. Karl Marx, Engels as founders, right?

So lets look into the backrounds of these two in partcular!

Lots of links and research comes up that these men were freemasons. Here are some links:

http://www.whale.to/b/33.html

http://www.whale.to/b/communism_q.html

More on Karl Marx

http://www.cuttingedge.org/pages/seminar2/MARXPASS.htm

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread384357/pg1

[seo_monster]

I know that there are people here who know a lot more than me on this subject. So I expect others to post with even better stuff than I did.

There are lots of facts out there that freemasons/satanists created communism.

[seo_monster]

More stuff on Karl Marx:

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/marx.htm

[keystone]

hey, well there is to say that there is never 100% solid proof.OK no probs but you did say:

I have found solid evidence that Ahmadinajad and Hu Jintao are masons

or did I misread it?


So lets look into the backrounds of these two [Marx and engels] in partcular!

Lots of links and research comes up that these men were freemasons. Here are some links:

http://www.whale.to/b/33.html

http://www.whale.to/b/communism_q.html

The first link is full of inaccuracies which tends to make me doubt the veracity of the whole site. It is true that it has been claimed that Marx was a freemason but no evidence has ever been found or presented that such was the case.

More on Karl MarxCommunist doctrine preaches atheism loudly, clearly, and consistently. This doctrine originated with Karl marx as you say. In general terms atheism and freemasonry are not compatible.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/pages/seminar2/MARXPASS.htmI find this from the cutting edge link

This is firm evidence of Freemasonry in Karl Marx's life. Mazzini and Marx were friends, which strongly suggests that they undoubtedly spent much time and effort discussing, planning and sharing ideas. Since Mazzini was a very influential Freemason, he would have logically been part of the plan to create the perfect Anti-Thesis to the Western Thesis to produce the desired Synthesis, utilizing the precepts of the Hegelian doctrine of Controlled Conflict Producing Controlled Change.

logically flawed.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread384357/pg1LoL. Its from ATS! :D

Cheers

[keystone]

I know that there are people here who know a lot more than me on this subject. So I expect others to post with even better stuff than I did.

There are lots of facts out there that freemasons/satanists created communism.Are you saying:

1. That communism was created by freemasons as a grouping or;

2. That communism was created by men who were freemasons.

The two are quite quite different.

Cheers

[seo_monster]

Well I cant copy the whole internet full of links for you obviously LOL

I have found a lot more stuff on Karl Marx/communism and if to make a strong logical conclusion about it he was a freemason(the same as devil worshipper).

There is a degree of research that I have done through library texts as well and the only point I have is one would not associate closely with people like Albert Pike if one was not a freemason. So Marx had a lot to do with people closely related to Pike and high up freemasons. That is why I claim that I have found indeed enough evidence all over to make a conclusion about Karl Marx and communism.

[seo_monster]

And I am an ex mason myself(now a Christian). I have to say that the devil is the father of all atheism. Freemasons love atheists for the simple reasons as they distract people from real God.

Communism does preach atheism and strictly to force one to deny the presence of God.

And no freemasons are not atheists. Everyone who is high up knows that they believe in lucifer(devil) and they are absolutely aware of it. They are also aware of consequences and are aware of existence of God. They are aware of existence of heaven and hell. And yes they do know that they will go to hell after they die.

But they all chose to believe in devil for sake of power, control and economic gain. All of them make it as a conscious choice. Also there is a large number of atheists that join the lodge and convert to freemasonry. Much smaller amount of atheists becomes Christians. Speaking from personal experience as I have been a part of all this nightmare. And no I was not high up enough to fully comprehend everything that is being planned by these guys.

The general goal is to have lucifer worship as one world "religion" under pretense of love, wisdom, beauty etc. That's how they decieve people. As a matter of fact they preach these three to any bewbie freemason and that's how they get sucked in. Lucifer is revealed to them as soon as they go up the ladder. Atheists click easily on this one specially believing that they have found truth.

[keystone]

Well I cant copy the whole internet full of links for you obviously LOLNor would I want you to. :D

I have found a lot more stuff on Karl Marx/communism and if to make a strong logical conclusion about it he was a freemasonI repeat there have been many CLAIMS that he was a freemason but NO EVIDENCE has ever been found or presented that such was the case.

(the same as devil worshipper).Oh not the old freemasons are devil worshippers BS again.

There is a degree of research that I have done through library texts as well and the only point I have is one would not associate closely with people like Albert Pike if one was not a freemason.I have little doubt that Pike associated with many people who were NOT freemasons as well as those who were.

So Marx had a lot to do with people closely related to Pike and high up freemasons. That is why I claim that I have found indeed enough evidence all over to make a conclusion about Karl Marx and communism.It seems to me that you might be demonstrating a conclusion by means of premises that assume that conclusion. Thats a logical fallacy.

Cheers

[seo_monster]

And what is most interesting is that one can be very powerful economically without devil worship and doing it God's way.

And yes freemasons are aware of this point as well. But choose to go with the devil. They absolutely HATE Jesus, BUT they LOVE every other religion. You get interviewed by them when you move up to a certain degree. And they accept any religion but NOT Jesus. For the simple reason that these high degree freemasons know that all the other "paths" lead to lucifer and eternal hell.

[seo_monster]

So you don't have any solid evidence then?

OK new question - is there any data to support your theory that Communism and Socialism were created by Freemasons?

Cheers

Nor would I want you to. :D

I repeat there have been many CLAIMS that he was a freemason but NO EVIDENCE has ever been found or presented that such was the case.

Oh not the old freemasons are devil worshippers BS again.

I have little doubt that Pike associated with many people who were NOT freemasons as well as those who were.

It seems to me that you might be demonstrating a conclusion by means of premises that assume that conclusion. Thats a logical fallacy.

Cheers

Trust me the only way you will know what is going is by becoming one of them.

And freemasons preach only luciferan doctrine. I have been with these guys and had acquaintances there that I had long conversations about this.

Trust me I wouldn't be making this stuff up for you. I have tried things their way and the only thing I have to say that their path is very dangerous.

[keystone]

And I am an ex mason myself(now a Christian). I have to say that the devil is the father of all atheism. Freemasons love atheists for the simple reasons as they distract people from real God.

Communism does preach atheism and strictly to force one to deny the presence of God.

And no freemasons are not atheists. Everyone who is high up knows that they believe in lucifer(devil) and they are absolutely aware of it. They are also aware of consequences and are aware of existence of God. They are aware of existence of heaven and hell. And yes they do know that they will go to hell after they die.

But they all chose to believe in devil for sake of power, control and economic gain. All of them make it as a conscious choice. Also there is a large number of atheists that join the lodge and convert to freemasonry. Much smaller amount of atheists becomes Christians. Speaking from personal experience as I have been a part of all this nightmare. And no I was not high up enough to fully comprehend everything that is being planned by these guys.

The general goal is to have lucifer worship as one world "religion" under pretense of love, wisdom, beauty etc. That's how they decieve people. As a matter of fact they preach these three to any bewbie freemason and that's how they get sucked in. Lucifer is revealed to them as soon as they go up the ladder. Atheists click easily on this one specially believing that they have found truth.

OK then how about starting a thread in the Secret Societies forum concerning your experiences. In particular I'd be interested to hear why:

1. In your mind Freemasonry is clearly not compatible with Freemasonry.

2. What leads you to state with conviction that freemasonry is Devil worship.

3. What evidence you can bring to the party concerning power control and economic gain.

Oh and BTW which constitution were you?

Cheers

[seo_monster]

Nor would I want you to. :D

I repeat there have been many CLAIMS that he was a freemason but NO EVIDENCE has ever been found or presented that such was the case.

Oh not the old freemasons are devil worshippers BS again.

I have little doubt that Pike associated with many people who were NOT freemasons as well as those who were.

It seems to me that you might be demonstrating a conclusion by means of premises that assume that conclusion. Thats a logical fallacy.

Cheers

Remember there is a saying that you are who you most closely associate with. Barck Obama is not going to have ordinary Americans as his buddies.
A billionaire would not hang out with millionaires. And a millionaire would not associate with the poor.

A freemasons would predominatly gravitate towards the people that believe in the same thing he does. I mean PREDOMINANTLY. It is not 100% but most likely in all scenarios.

Also neither me and you knew Marx so obviously I cannot claim that he was a mason FOR SURE. I mean MOST LIKELY.

[seo_monster]

OK then how about starting a thread in the Secret Societies forum concerning your experiences. In particular I'd be interested to hear why:

1. In your mind Freemasonry is clearly not compatible with Freemasonry.

2. What leads you to state with conviction that freemasonry is Devil worship.

3. What evidence you can bring to the party concerning power control and economic gain.

Oh and BTW which constitution were you?

Cheers

LOL I am bit confused with your first question.

Question 2: It is simple. As you will become a freemason of a certain degree and it depends on the case which one it will be revealed to you by the elders that the teachings they follow are strictly luciferan.

3.Economic gain and power is exactly what interests any high up mason. You will know this simply by conversing with the masons of high degrees. I was intrested in this myseld by the way.


The reason I dont start a thread about this is because I know a lot of people will defend that freemasonry is great. A lot of masons will indeed lie to you that they do not believe in lucifer for the whole purpose of sucking you in.

That is why I will not argue nor make any massive public speeches about this. One cannot win an argument. And I will not argue I just know the truth.

And there are people on this forum that worship lucifer that will throw a lot of hate my way. And I do not have time and energy to argue with them. They will learn they fate when time comes.

You can't win an argument as even if you prove your point another person will become offended. Dale Carnegie said a very wise point.

[keystone]

OK - let me be straight with you. I AM a freemason. I do defend the fraternity but not to the exclusion of compelling evidence and I will not argue black is white for the sheer hell of it. I do not know everything.

LOL I am bit confused with your first question.Oh why?

Question 2: It is simple. As you will become a freemason of a certain degree and it depends on the case which one it will be revealed to you by the elders that the teachings they follow are strictly luciferan.Which degree would that be?

3.Economic gain and power is exactly what interests any high up mason. You will know this simply by conversing with the masons of high degrees. I was intrested in this myseld by the way.Thats not my experience but I'm open to suggestion. Do you mean powerfull people who are interested in those things anyway and who are also freemasons or do you mean people in senior positions in freemasonry who are after power and money through freemasonry. They are not the same thing and I would have thought that the second was incompatible with being a freemason.

The reason I dont start a thread about this is because I know a lot of people will defend that freemasonry is great.Yes some will. Others will listen as well.

A lot of masons will indeed lie to you that they do not believe in lucifer for the whole purpose of sucking you in.I would not lie to you in that respect because I don't

That is why I will not argue nor make any massive public speeches about this. One cannot win an argument. And I will not argue I just know the truth.OK.

And there are people on this forum that worship lucifer that will throw a lot of hate my way.You are probably correct but there are also those who won't so lets keep it here on this sub-forum if you are happy to continue the conversation.

And I do not have time and energy to argue with them.Fair point.

You can't win an argument as even if you prove your point another person will become offended. Dale Carnegie said a very wise point.Yes i know. :D

Cheers

[seo_monster]

Well I obviously do not know everything either. Neither do I claim to know everything about this stuff.

I consider 20th degree as stage where one can get `exposed`. There are 33 degrees in total. Also I do have grounds to believe that one is revealed at a fairly early stage. Considering from your points(since you are a mason) you probably have not been taught anything like that(which I believe is strange as masons are usually straight to the point about this between each other).

There is also a point that one is fully revealed the truth about what is going on after getting to 33 degree.

I lived in Canada and I will mention as far as I know about things there. One cannot obtain a certain economic position in a company without becoming a freemason. For example the VP of Telus. These positions are never given to ordinary people.

Usually how I observed things to happen that if one is extremely greedy for economic gain/power one eventually becomes a freemason and moves up by degrees very very quickly.

Very powerful businessmen that are independent are also threatened if they do not join the brotherhood. I mean anyone with networth of $100 million plus and is known to the public.

So to be honest with you I absolutely do not want to be associated to anything close with these guys. And I do not want to be known as far as my whereabouts to any freemason(for personal reasons as I had pretty awful experience with these guys). Please do not ask about my degree either. Telling you so that you keep that in mind as I am a bit paranoid.

So then since you are actually openminded about admitting you are a mason right now. Then I will ask you some stuff as I see that your experience is different from mine.

So which degree are you? And I guess you have not been preached about regarding luciferan doctrines within your lodge or fellow masons?

And also regarding the degree you are what have you been taught? I would be actually very very surprised of you are 33 degree and you do not know exactly what are things about.

Well I look forward to your answers.

[dolores1]

Nice one Seo Monster,

I to am looking forward to following this conversation, I always watch for dis-information.

[gwynned]

[QUOTE=seo_monster;1221515]And I am an ex mason myself(now a Christian).
Communism does preach atheism and strictly to force one to deny the presence of God.
QUOTE]

I know this is an older thread, but I have to weigh in. This is a big subject, so my response will be very brief. I don't know enough about Stalin, the USSR, etc., but I DO know something about what is going on in Latin America today, where many of the current leftist leaders are proponents of a socialist government. Chavez and Morales are the most notable. Whether one likes or dislikes them, each was elected by an overwhelming majority of the people, each is of indigenous descent, each has been the target of assassination attempts (with evidence of CIA involvement). Neither preaches atheism. Each has fought to return the benefits of their countries' national resources back to the people.

Whatever the mistakes of the past, 'communism' in its truist form, would place the 'means of production' and natural resources in the hands of the people, those that labor to make things. 'Capitalism' provides benefit to those with 'capital.' On the face of it, capitalism seems well suited to the interest of the elite.

[beatiful]

ive been to cuba, and castro could very well be a mason, as we walked around we saw a masonic lodge - and we were told by sum1 who lives in cuba that he was a mason...castro is a strange one, i like him personally, hes not perfect, hes done alot of fucked up things, but i find his middle finger up attitude empowering, plus hes done alot of good for cuba, but i guess we will never know until he dies eh?

as for communism, i remember being told that real communism has never existed, as the communist states weve seen r really jus state dictatorship...communisim REALLY is no personal property, everyone working together and creating enough for the collective and no abundance...also its government ruled from the bottom up, rather than the way it is now, with the few making the rules for us to follow

but lets not get bogged down in semantics lol