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zhenshanren
24-08-2009, 07:30 PM
To the posters on the FOTL Forum:

Hello! :) Newer poster here from the US. I wish to speak about a few things here and have taken it upon my self to initiate a hopefully serious and frank discussion about what it is that we are doing and what it is we wish to be done on this forum.

This FOTL forum is a valuable resource. It can however, IMO become even MORE valuable. I will explain below.

Example: You have a restaurant that sells sadwiches. The sandwiches are made to order and thus there are many varieties and options available to the consumer. For instance at Wendy's, the popular fast food chain, they advertise that there are 256 ways to personalize your Burger(sandwich). So lets assume you own a restaurant that sells personalized sandwiches and you need to hire a manager to take over the role of overseeing the sales and ordering of the products that will make up the sandwiches. (hungry yet? :p)

It should be safe to assume that the manager will have an easier time in fulfilling his role and learning the procedures at this particular establishment if things are organized in such a way that the manager has as clear an understanding of the WHOLE OPERATION as possible. Anything that isn't disclosed will be a problem later on, and if items aren't well organized, or are even missing, the new manager will have a hard time fulfilling the role of personalizing so many sandwiches and the operation will falter with a decrease in sales etc.

I feel that this FOTL forum has the potential for greatness but is being held back a bit by a lack of organization and a "messy stock room".

Every once in a while it's good to take a fresh look and re-evaluate/re-organize.

The thread that was sticked a while back entitled Freeman Answers in one place was an attempt to ORGANIZE some of the topics and questions that are frequently raised by new members and those whose searches didn't provide the answers. It seems that the thread was an immediate failure and has since gone to bed. In the words of Phil Schneider, "I think we can do better. I KNOW we can do better!"
The concept that I have in mind is not so much an "answers in one place" kind of thing but more of a "FOTL for Dummies" (hopefully you are familiar with the "for Dummies" book series)

Why is that the idea? Because it seems that the very nature of the "Scam of Law" is overly complicated and confusing with answers hidden within the "hay stack". Or as one poster put it, The whole bond business is an intricate spiderweb inside a bottle inside another bottle inside your ass. No matter what you read and where you read it, it's not going to be easy, not by a long shot - you're gonna have to be prepared to potentially face some pretty serious charges in court, perhaps fraud charges carrying several years in prison as maximum sentence (and believe you me, anyone trying out this sorta stuff will be sought to be made an example of at all costs). THUS the idea of opposing or figuring out these concepts and hidden remedies to me means taking thier complicated things and simplifying them in order to better understand them so that human beings can gain some more freedom in thier lives and avoid potentially disasterous consequenses. Then we should be able to share these things more easily and concisely with our fellow man.

So, having tried to express my understanding above, I'd like to pose a couple of questions for all of you.


Is it possible to make things more organized around here?

Do you have any suggestions?


My suggestions at this time are as follows;

Get a "LINK THREAD" started.

This is the thread where LINKS are posted to pertinent info regarding FOTL and LAW/STATUES in general. Right now the links are hidden and buried inside of the 40 pages of posts. Shouldn't be hard to sticky a thread that contains dozens of one line links to pages and pages of great reading material, should it? It should help keep the board cleaner with fewer posts.

Get an "Overview Thread" started

To help newbies use the search more effectivly by listing threads and topics that have been dealt with at length. I noticed that there are posters who feel that newbies may be overwhelmed with "text heavy" threads. That may be true, but personally it's not nearly as overwhelming as trying to find specific information when it's scattered ALL OVER THE PLACE!! There is only so much time that can be spent "searching". Wouldn't it be better to limit the time spent searching and devote more time reading and learning? I sure think so.

Etc. There HAS to be more we can do here to help EACH OTHER OUT...what goes around comes around...IF a few of us can spend some time gathering and organzing, the TEAMWORK should help to inspire, educate and overall make learning easier and more efficient. Just like the sandwich shop, most things are more prosperous with organization and TEAMWORK!

Anyway, please have a serious thought about these thoughts. Don't let the fact that historically things have been a certain way stop you from initiating CHANGE...for the better.

Let's try to step outside of our pre-concieved notions and make a leap forward and give the FOTL forum some much deserved positive attention and maturation.

In closing please advise that I am not that good at expressing myself on-line and may not be as elegant with my words as many others, or even make any sense at all some times lol, but please try to "catch my drift" and know that my actions are purely for the advancement of this forum!

Also, please try to take ANOTHER opportunity to think about this topic before your head dismisses the idea. Your friends or family may be people who's future can depend on how well we continue to pioneer these exciting freeman concepts.

So please, let's hear what YOU think can be done to help provide positive movement towards a more prosperous forum.

bsmurph83
25-08-2009, 04:44 PM
just quickly, and before i give this any real thought....

for one, i think when people see they have created a thread that already exists, they should delete it immediately to help keep things organised and streamlined.

also, i think that people should check with the search function before creating highly self-indulgent threads that have largely already been covered.

don't get me wrong, i've done it once or twice, but i've also had the mod's remove at least one such thread to not contribute to the pollution of this forum. i just started a thread that, if it dies in the arse, i will get a mod to remove. on occasion, people have had it pointed out that they have duplicated threads and done nothing about it. it's not hard to request a mod remove a superfluous thread.

also, and no disrespect to any of the good people here who may have done this kind of thing, but creating a thread to wish someone happy birthday or something like that is not really appropriate in the freeman forum. that kind of thing is better in the General forum, which is already a dog's breakfast.

i really don't want this forum to go the way of the others, with so much tripe being posted for no apparent reason. this IS a valuable resource, but with more attention being garnered, it's beginning to get hectic.

sincerely,

: b-smurph:83

cryst4l
25-08-2009, 05:27 PM
I am new and really intrigued by the FOTL movemenet but what you desribe is spot on.

I get so lost in this thread it's scary.

The "FOTL" for dummies idea is fantastic and IMO is defo needed.

Why could a list not be created on the procedures required to become a FOTL and then in each subsequant section each procedure is broken down with a sticky on how and what to do with the relevant posts?

zhenshanren
25-08-2009, 06:48 PM
for one, i think when people see they have created a thread that already exists, they should delete it immediately to help keep things organised and streamlined.

I think that is a GREAT way to help de-clutter the forum. Let's try to help point these things out to each other and get the mods more diligent in decluttering as well if that's what it takes.


The recent links to Freedom School is a great example. This site should have been stickied a LONG time ago. It would have saved me countless days of searching had I previously known about it. Now that it is supposedly being shut down I think that it is all the more reason to have a sililar layout of having so many pertinent topics all on one place.

http://freedom-school.com/

bsmurph83
26-08-2009, 06:39 AM
I think that is a GREAT way to help de-clutter the forum. Let's try to help point these things out to each other and get the mods more diligent in decluttering as well if that's what it takes.


The recent links to Freedom School is a great example. This site should have been stickied a LONG time ago. It would have saved me countless days of searching had I previously known about it. Now that it is supposedly being shut down I think that it is all the more reason to have a sililar layout of having so many pertinent topics all on one place.

http://freedom-school.com/

that's right. the FMOTL concept is that important. it's deserves to be as accessible as possible. this freeman forum has shitloads of good info floating around, i really think it deserves to be better organized. it would mean less thread repetition for one thing, and much easier access for newbies (which would mean less thread repetition... :D). it'd be less overwhelming

djhooker
26-08-2009, 08:54 AM
sounds a good idea all round, maybe put some robert menard vids in the dummies section. he seems to lay it all out in lehmann's terms.

zhenshanren
26-08-2009, 03:46 PM
It's just too bad that the majority of users have ignored this thread and seem to care not for this concept. Without that T E A M W O R K mentioned it just aint gonna happen.

The lack of replies is quite telling really.

As mentioned before the STICKIED thread hoping to organize has fallen DEAD!
Now it seems that with a revival of wanting what's possibly the best for us "persons" as a whole is falling by the wayside before even having stood on it's own two feet.

I ask those who have not participated in this thread to ask yourselves this; "Is there ANYTHING I can offer that MAY make a possitive contribution to the betterment of the FOTL forum. If you answered YES, then PLEASE jot down a quick reply.

The AWAKENING section on this forum was moved up above the FOTL forum...because ONE poster made a thread to support the AWAKENING and asked, "What can we do about it!?" The response to the thread was that of support and effort to "FIGHT FOR THE CAUSE" and soon the mods moved the forum to where it will get much more traffic.

Meanwhile some, if not many on the FOTL forum seem to be taking the good information that suits them and then that's it. Where is the effort to inform, educate and make life easier for those that follow in your wake? I know it's there in some of your threads, but why not take an opportunity to REVITALIZE and share what you have learned making things easier for those that follow? Is it that you feel with all your hard work you wish for others to have to work equally as hard otherwise you will feel like you got somehow cheated?

In conclusion of my thoughts, I just don't understand why more efforts aren't being made to take on something as basic and simple as ORGANIZING these numerous and complicated topics. I have just gotten into this and am already trying to offer my help and input. Please share yours as well.

If you think it's a bad idea, I'd like to hear it as well, for discussion on this topic, good or bad, is bound to help us come to somekind of common ground where we will be working together as opposed to independently. I mean afterall, we are interested in UNITING as FREE-MEN, as opposed to staying independently ignorant, right?

curtaincat
26-08-2009, 04:32 PM
bossy :rolleyes:

cryst4l
26-08-2009, 06:27 PM
bossy :rolleyes:

Maybe curtaincat, but does it need that type of aproach to get things moving:confused: because I totally agree this needs more input from everyone within the FOTL thread.

zhenshanren
27-08-2009, 05:55 AM
bossy :rolleyes:

I'm sorry you feel that way. I was just trying to be passionate and open, asking for input and disscussion.



I have just gotten into this and am already trying to offer my help and input. Please share yours as well.

If you think it's a bad idea, I'd like to hear it as well, for discussion on this topic, good or bad, is bound to help us come to somekind of common ground where we will be working together as opposed to independently.

tien an
27-08-2009, 08:21 AM
sounds a good idea all round, maybe put some robert menard vids in the dummies section. he seems to lay it all out in lehmann's terms.

Ha ha...was this intentional djhooker?
(Given that Lehmann Bros. bank is/was one of the most corrupt investment banks in the world).
Sorry for laughing, but it is funny.

tian an.

EDIT: it's probably posts like this that divert attention from the subject and clutter up the forum too (I'm not attempting self-censorship; just pointing something out).

pleasuredome
28-08-2009, 10:32 AM
i tried to get a resource thread sorted back in december.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44532&highlight=freeman+resource+thread

i asked for it to be stickied, but the request was ignored by the admin. :rolleyes:

lookfar
28-08-2009, 10:45 AM
i tried to get a resource thread sorted back in december.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44532&highlight=freeman+resource+thread

i asked for it to be stickied, but the request was ignored by the admin. :rolleyes:

I've just stuck that thread for you now:)

zhenshanren
29-08-2009, 07:05 AM
:)