Plan "A" from Outer Space

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

With this Thread, I now have you completely surrounded!!! :cool:

http://biblos.com/
Search in the book of Yahweh, and read: not one of these will be missing. none will lack her mate. For my mouth has commanded, and his Spirit has gathered them.

Resources for Horses of Courses!!!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061914&postcount=662

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hway.html


"Before you can 'Boil Down, one must Boil Up' " : Barnacle Bill, the Sailor Man

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=459940&postcount=592

in Deuteronomy and Leviticus it is made abundantly clear, in Black & White Scripture that: The Laws are NOT 'Jewish' Laws, they are Father Yahwehs Laws.


The 7 High Holy Days of Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread..etc. are NOT 'Jewish' Holy Days, they are Father Yahwehs Holy Days.


As I Have Posted Numerous Times, according to His plan: First He 'worked' with Individuals, Able, Noah, Abraham, King Melchizedek..etc.(NOTICE, all these people interacted with YHWH BEFORE Moses, THEN He worked with a Group, the Twelve Tribes of Hebrews, commonaly known as 'Jews'. They WERE 'CHOSEN', not to be 'Pets', but to be a living example. A Host Culture

AND THEN, in ACTS 10: ALL Humans became part of Yahwehs plan. This is one of the most interesting passages as the Apostle Kepha(peter) was summoned by Cornelius the Roman Centurion to come to his home to meet with him.

Acts 10 informs the Readers that Cornelius the Roman Centurion is a ardent devote of YHWH and His Laws, and so is his entire Household, and he would like to question Kepha(peter).

So Kepha has a very intersesting Vision, this Vision is so complex, the Apostle needs to contemplate for a coupla days. Then he understands, that according to Yahwehs plan, NOW, ALL GENTILES are 'Cleansed'.

Before this the Hebrews segregated themselves from the Gentiles as much as possible, for the habits and customs of the Gentiles were 'Frowned' upon by YHWH.

So how does the Vatican 'understand' this most critical passage.

The Vatican says: 'Now all the Unclean Foods are Clean. Swine, Shellfish...etc.


Everything Yahshua spoke showed He was in complete submission to His Heavenly Father Yahweh and to His Laws, as we all should be.

Yahshua taught the Law of Yahweh exclusively, and Yahweh's Law teaches that Yahweh is one and that we are to serve and worship Yahweh only.


Yahchanan 12:49-50—
49 For I have not spoken on My own; but the Father Who sent Me gave Me the Laws—what I should say and what I should speak.
50 And I know that His Laws are life everlasting; so whatever I speak, I am saying exactly what My Father has told Me to say.

Mattithyah 19:16-17—
16 And behold, one came to Him, and said; Teacher, what righteous thing may I do, so that I may have eternal life?
17 But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh .

Revelation 22:14
14 Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Yahchanan-("Yahweh is Mercifull")-John 5:31,46-47

46: For had you believed in MOSHEH(Moses), you would have believed Me, for he WROTE ABOUT ME.

47: But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my WORDs.

The Plan:

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/PW02-06/plan.htm

Compelling Evidence:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=592

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Great Isaiah Scroll

D I R E C T O R Y


All written files by Fred P Miller copyright 1999. All rights reserved.


Qumran Great Isaiah Scroll:

The Qumran Isaiah scrolls are two. Q or Qa is the Qumran Great Isaiah Scroll and Qb is the Qumran Scroll of Isaiah that is about 75% complete. Qa, the Qumran Great Isaiah Scroll is complete from the first word on page 1 to the last word on page 54.

February 21, 2008




http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qa-tran.htm

Chapter 34:
Seek you out of the book of YHWH and read: for not one doctrine will lack her mate because his own mouth has commanded and his own spirit has gathered them.
18. and his spirit will gather them. (17) And He has cast the lot for them and His hand has divided it by line to [..them..] {&nun . &} forever {&they shall possess it&}.
19. from generation to generation they shall dwell in it. (chapter 35:1.) The wilderness and the desert will rejoice for them and the plain shall be glad and blossom like the rose (2) And it shall blossom profusely, and rejoice even with joy and singing the glory of Lebanon
20. is given to her, the majesty of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of YHWH. the [..majesty..] of our God. (PP)

100 BCE

[miracles]

With this Thread, I now have you completely surrounded!!! :cool:

http://biblos.com/


Resources for Horses of Courses!!!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061914&postcount=662

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hway.html


"Before you can 'Boil Down, one must Boil Up' " : Barnacle Bill, the Sailor Man

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=459940&postcount=592

in Deuteronomy and Leviticus it is made abundantly clear, in Black & White Scripture that: The Laws are NOT 'Jewish' Laws, they are Father Yahwehs Laws.


The 7 High Holy Days of Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread..etc. are NOT 'Jewish' Holy Days, they are Father Yahwehs Holy Days.


As I Have Posted Numerous Times, according to His plan: First He 'worked' with Individuals, Able, Noah, Abraham, King Melchizedek..etc.(NOTICE, all these people interacted with YHWH BEFORE Moses, THEN He worked with a Group, the Twelve Tribes of Hebrews, commonaly known as 'Jews'. They WERE 'CHOSEN', not to be 'Pets', but to be a living example. A Host Culture

AND THEN, in ACTS 10: ALL Humans became part of Yahwehs plan. This is one of the most interesting passages as the Apostle Kepha(peter) was summoned by Cornelius the Roman Centurion to come to his home to meet with him.

Acts 10 informs the Readers that Cornelius the Roman Centurion is a ardent devote of YHWH and His Laws, and so is his entire Household, and he would like to question Kepha(peter).

So Kepha has a very intersesting Vision, this Vision is so complex, the Apostle needs to contemplate for a coupla days. Then he understands, that according to Yahwehs plan, NOW, ALL GENTILES are 'Cleansed'.

Before this the Hebrews segregated themselves from the Gentiles as much as possible, for the habits and customs of the Gentiles were 'Frowned' upon by YHWH.

So how does the Vatican 'understand' this most critical passage.

The Vatican says: 'Now all the Unclean Foods are Clean. Swine, Shellfish...etc.


Everything Yahshua spoke showed He was in complete submission to His Heavenly Father Yahweh and to His Laws, as we all should be.

Yahshua taught the Law of Yahweh exclusively, and Yahweh's Law teaches that Yahweh is one and that we are to serve and worship Yahweh only.


Yahchanan 12:49-50—
49 For I have not spoken on My own; but the Father Who sent Me gave Me the Laws—what I should say and what I should speak.
50 And I know that His Laws are life everlasting; so whatever I speak, I am saying exactly what My Father has told Me to say.

Mattithyah 19:16-17—
16 And behold, one came to Him, and said; Teacher, what righteous thing may I do, so that I may have eternal life?
17 But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh .

Revelation 22:14
14 Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Yahchanan-("Yahweh is Mercifull")-John 5:31,46-47

46: For had you believed in MOSHEH(Moses), you would have believed Me, for he WROTE ABOUT ME.

47: But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my WORDs.

The Plan:

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/PW02-06/plan.htm

Compelling Evidence:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=592

H Snoops, Do you believe Jesus was/is yahweh in the flesh?

[kasalt]

H Snoops, Do you believe Jesus was/is yahweh in the flesh?

It's been 3 days since you asked this question, and since Snoops obviously doesn't plan on answering it, I'll do it for him. You will find the answer to your question here:

http://www.watchman.org/profile/yahpro.htm

The whole article is worth reading, but here is the relevant quote which answers your question: Hawkins denies the Triune nature of the Godhead and the pre-existence of Christ: "Those who are False Prophets and Lying teachers 'teach' the false doctrine that there is a 'trinity' or a 'duality' in the (and I quote) 'GODHEAD'. Therefore, it is also The Truth of Yahweh that Yahshua Messiah did not 'pre-exist'!" (The Prophetic Word, 7 June 1991, p. 7). He teaches that Yahweh and Yahshua are two different beings: "Some of those trying to support the deception of a 'pre-existent savior, argue that Yahshua and Yahweh are THE 'SAME' BEING...The Holy Scriptures plainly show that Yahshua and Yahweh are TWO DIFFERENT BEINGS!" (Did Yahshua Messiah Pre-exist?, p. 40).
Snoops does not believe in Christianity. For example, here he says that Jesus was not the founder of Christianity:

Yahshua is not the Founder of Xtianity. Messianic Yahwism is an actual movement that pre-dates Xtianity.

Snoops is not a Christian. He is a Messianic Yahwist. He reiterates that point in this quote:

Yahshua and the Apostles were not the founders of xtianity. It is Messianic Yahwism, or as the Encyclopedia Judaica terms it: A Sect of Non-Normative Judaism.

Elsewhere, he implies that Christianity is built on a "shaky foundation":

Actually, gnosticism is founded upon an even shakier foundation than xtianity

Here, he provides his conclusion regarding Christianity:

Xtianity will fall

You may be wondering why Snoops has resorted to putting links to Christian resources in his signature if this is his view of Christianity. The reason why he schmoozes up to Christians such as yourself on this forum is because he is trying to put one over on you. He feigns alliance with you in an attempt to slowly and covertly draw you in to his belief system--which in fact is a radical departure from (and quite hostile to) orthodox, historical Christianity.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

It's been 3 days since you asked this question, and since Snoops obviously doesn't plan on answering it, I'll do it for him. You will find the answer to your question here:

http://www.watchman.org/profile/yahpro.htm

The whole article is worth reading, but here is the relevant quote which answers your question: Hawkins denies the Triune nature of the Godhead and the pre-existence of Christ: "Those who are False Prophets and Lying teachers 'teach' the false doctrine that there is a 'trinity' or a 'duality' in the (and I quote) 'GODHEAD'. Therefore, it is also The Truth of Yahweh that Yahshua Messiah did not 'pre-exist'!" (The Prophetic Word, 7 June 1991, p. 7). He teaches that Yahweh and Yahshua are two different beings: "Some of those trying to support the deception of a 'pre-existent savior, argue that Yahshua and Yahweh are THE 'SAME' BEING...The Holy Scriptures plainly show that Yahshua and Yahweh are TWO DIFFERENT BEINGS!" (Did Yahshua Messiah Pre-exist?, p. 40).
Snoops does not believe in Christianity. For example, here he says that Jesus was not the founder of Christianity:\\
Snoops is not a Christian. He is a Messianic Yahwist. He reiterates that point in this quote:
Elsewhere, he implies that Christianity is built on a "shaky foundation":
Here, he provides his conclusion regarding Christianity:
You may be wondering why Snoops has resorted to putting links to Christian resources in his signature if this is his view of Christianity. The reason why he schmoozes up to Christians such as yourself on this forum is because he is trying to put one over on you. He feigns alliance with you in an attempt to slowly and covertly draw you in to his belief system--which in fact is a radical departure from (and quite hostile to) orthodox, historical Christianity.

Hi kasalt; Miricles:

Miricles; my apologies, but I have been very busy elsewheres. I am sure you understand.

kasalt, you really should mind your own business.

I am not 100% with the HoY. well over 80% though. I give their efforts an A, not quite A+ or E

Absolutely no 'Trinity'; this is proven by Scripture, and Scripture alone.

kasalt; increase your discernment. For two years I have presented as a Yahwist.

Since you have Archived ALL my Postings, where are my Posts that state: Xtians are 'Sleeper Cells for Yahweh.

Here, Miricles, examine this:

http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home&type=2

It is a Historical & Scriptural FACT that: Judaism and Christianity are Embellishments of Yahwism.

The original circle of people around Yahshua haNazarene haMessiah were known as 'Nazarenes'; see Acts.

At the consumation of Yahwehs Plan, there will no Jews or Christians; Hindus, Bhuddists, Muslims, Animaists, Pagans, Atheists.

All will be Yahwists.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

H Snoops, Do you believe Jesus was/is yahweh in the flesh?

Hi Miricles:

My apologies. :)

No

Two separate and distinct Beings, as to whether He Pre-existed with Yahweh, I am not 100%

Michael S Heiser, who is credentialed and actually Translates Sumerian/Canaanite, Ugarite Texts has explored this in depth. The 'Net' is: Yahweh is a 'Species Unique', and Yahshua is a 'Species Unique'.

No other examples in Human History of this Paradigm

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

The Divine Council

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/

Also this Essay by Hoy I agree with 90+%

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/DefaultPW12_2004.htm

I have presented the above Essay to kasalt more than a half dozen times to critique, he does the 'Empty Poket Polka'

All the Data is based on scripture only.

Yahshua taught the Law of Yahweh exclusively, and Yahweh's Law teaches that Yahweh is one and that we are to serve and worship Yahweh only.

Yahchanan Mark 12:28-30—
28 Then one of the scribes came, and listened to all their discussion, and had noted how well He answered. So he asked Him; What is the first commandment of all?

29 And Yahshua answered Him: The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
30 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Mattithyah 4:10—
Then Yahshua said to her; You get away, Satan! For it is written: Yahweh your Father you must reverence, and Him only you must serve!

Deuteronomy 6:13—
Yahweh your Father you must reverence, and Him you must serve, and by His Name you must take your oaths.

Mattithyah 23:9—
And you must not pray to or worship any man on earth as a "Father," for you have only One Father, Who is in heaven.

Yahchanan 14:28—
You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Yahchanan 12:49-50—
49 For I have not spoken on My own; but the Father Who sent Me gave Me the Laws—what I should say and what I should speak.
50 And I know that His Laws are life everlasting; so whatever I speak, I am saying exactly what My Father has told Me to say.

Mattithyah 24:36—
But no man knows that day nor hour. No, not even the malakim in heaven, but My Father only.

Mattithyah 19:16-17—
16 And behold, one came to Him, and said; Teacher, what righteous thing may I do, so that I may have eternal life?
17 But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh .

If Yahweh is One, and Greater than Yahshua, this tells me they are not the Same Being.

Likewise I percieve the Holy Spirit is a Force, an Energy form Yahweh.

The Trinity is an Invention of the Catholics. An Embellishment. Not necessary.

Notice kasalt never gives credit where credit is due. What is presented is the Scholarly, Credentialed, Vetted and Sourced Opinion of the Encyclopedia Judaica. Look:

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 5, page 509, tells us that there is NO VALID REASON FOR DOUBTING the HISTORICAL REALITY of Yahshua.

JESUS AND HIS FIRST DISCIPLES. As has been indicated before, the teaching and activity of Jesus cannot be properly described under the heading "Christianity."
There is no valid reason for doubting his historical reality or assuming him to be a purely mythical figure.

There is, however, great reason to doubt what the Christians say about Him. As we have read and proven so far, paganism, not the Laws of Yahweh, is the driving force of Christianity. The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 5, page 511, admits this fact.

With its spread among the gentiles, the pagan characteristics of Christianity gained in influence, and after Constantine the Great and the adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire, the traditional Hellenistic-pagan forms of civic, social, and cultural anti-Semitism (see *Apion) merged with the specifically Christian theological motifs to form an amalgam that has left a tragic legacy to history.

In this tragic legacy to history left by Christianity, the most tragic has been the twisting of the Holy Scriptures to fit pagan doctrines, beliefs and philosophy; rather than allowing them to fit Yahweh's Laws and prophets, the way they were originally written. The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, acknowledges that this is exactly what the church has done.

Both of the chief sources of the Synoptic Gospels, the old account, and the collection of Jesus' sayings, were produced in the primitive Christian congregation in Jerusalem, and were translated into Greek from Aramaic or Hebrew. They contained the picture of Jesus as seen by the disciples who knew him. The present Gospels are redactions of these two sources, which were often changed as a result of ecclesiastical tendentiousness.

Most shocking of all, the Roman Catholic Church herself admits to the forgery of the Holy Scriptures. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 6, page 136, gives us this admission.

"Substitution of false documents and tampering with genuine ones was quite a trade in the Middle Ages. Innocent III (1198) points out nine species of forgery[of ecclesiastical records] which had come under his notice.
But such frauds of the Church were not confined to the Middle Ages; they begin even with the beginning of the Church and infest every period of its history for fifteen hundred years and defile nearly every document, both of "Scriptures" and of Church aggrandizement. As truly said by Collins, in his celebrated Discourse of Free Thinking:
"In Short, these frauds are very common in all books which are published by priests or priestly men... For it is certain they may plead the authority of the Fathers for Forgery, Corruption and mangling of Authors, with more reason than for any of their Articles of Faith.."(p.96.)

So by forging, altering, and changing the Holy Scriptures, including the inspired record of Yahshua's teachings, Christianity has brought forth a pagan God-savior and a way of life in complete opposition to Yahweh's Laws.

One of the greatest pagan deceptions ever passed off to this world as truth by the Roman Catholic Church is that of a pre-existent God-savior who is part of a trinity of Gods. This very idea is pagan in origin. We will now see how the Christians twisted The Holy Scriptures to get away with it.


The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 1061, agrees that the original versions of Volume Two of the Holy Scriptures did not teach a pre-existent God-savior.

The spirit of Judaism is discernible even in the compositions originally written in this popular Greek. The New Testament is still far removed from the absolute deification of Jesus, and even more so from the LATER idea of the Trinity.

kasalt, your a whitebread hindu/former catholic/fundamentalist/evangilist.

You have proven time and time again you don't know what the Book of Yahweh is about; so put yer ass in one of the cheap seats; keep yer mouth shut and pay attention to the Drama that unfolds.


Miricles; Yahshua was representative of Yahwehs Character and Loving Heart towards ALL Humankind.

The Book of Yahweh is about Human Potentiality.

It provides examples of the very best of Humanity, and the very worst.

Explict instruction in Righteousness; the Torah and Testimony, explicit instruction asto the Perfect Understanding of Torah: The Sayings and Actions of Yahshua.

We are able to intimitely know Yahweh, through His Son; Yahshua with the Assistance of Yahwehs Holy Spirit..

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

A Real ripper! :D

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gutripper.html

Think about this for a second. Let's consider two cases: one without a God (i.e., Materialism of one form or another) and one with.


In the latter case, we have a God that somehow creates a derivative, "smaller" creature (i.e., human) with a superior morality and better heart! So, when a person says "I refuse to worship such a heartless god" we have the absurdly strange situation in which the "effect" is somehow greater than/superior to the "cause". [If you haven't read Aristotle recently, perhaps now is a good time to read his discussion on causality, to see what problems this might include (sardonic smile).] This is pure and naïve presumption...[Notice that the analog of this--"I have a greater intelligence than the absolute source of all intelligence" makes the absurdity even clearer.]


In the former case of materialism (no spirits or deities or 'souls'), we have a creature that has climbed from the slime to some kind of superiority (i.e., "top of the food chain"!) by wholesale application of 'survival of the fittest' (read: "extinguishing" or "subjugating" others).

Vast amounts of human evil--the responsibility for which is borne in this scenario solely by the human, since there are no other agents to pin this on or share the blame with--have been perpetrated and are inexorably justified, under the evolutionary leveling of all to 'self-interest'.

The elimination of countless species of life in this evolutionary, ceaseless, and random struggle; the very atrocities that are used as examples of 'the problem of evil'(!); and the wholesale failure of the human race to produce anything in the area of human rights at all but the most insignificant scale, makes me question the 'moral superiority' of such a creature...Indeed, since his moral judgments will eventually reduce to thinly-disguised but cosmetically-complex positions of 'self-interest', why should they be taken as 'objective' in any sense?

Despite Herculean efforts to construct systems of evolutionary ethics to account for altruism, cooperation, and "animal rights" type of oddities, while attempting to avoid the racist and biological supremacist implications of the early Darwinian exponents, we are stuck with our own bloody and shameful history of action. [Recent studies on advanced forms of cooperation in higher primates(cf. PH:GN) only pushes the problem 'down' and 'early' a little further.]

To agree that a "mudball, with hair and teeth, red in tooth and fang" can transcend this history to the point of making authoritative statements about morality and character, is well beyond my skeptical limits...

The very fact that I believe that I can make moral judgements about my actions and the actions of others, presuppose that my source of origin has at least as good an ethical standard as I.

For me to believe that I can make objective moral judgments, and then take the position that my ontological source of ethical abilities is inferior to me, borders on the self-stultifying. [This is not to mention the problem of the Ultimate Reference Point of morality, as noted by the Existentialists. There has to be a "God the Father" for real value to exist, to use Sartre's explication.]

Now, strictly speaking, the skeptic is certainly warranted in raising the question of God's character--on the basis of his individual exegetical and theological construction--I would not fault him in the least for this. We often do this; something strikes us morally 'odd' about a passage or a doctrine, and it forces us to examine it more closely and more carefully and more open-mindedly.

Often in the this process we discover our 'hidden baggage' that we bring to the text. In the skeptic's case, however, instead of having an independent basis (such as a warm personal experience of God or a careful and informed understanding of the life and character of Jesus Christ) for giving God the "benefit of the doubt" and suspending judgment until he has time to turn all the possible understandings over, he instead hits the "Finish" button and arrives at the conclusion.

The main problem is one of sequence. The skeptic foregoes deciding about the more 'objective' issues such as "was prophecy fulfilled beyond reasonable plausibility?" or "did the resurrection really occur?", or "how did Jesus feel about this God?", and instead starts the process with a subjective moral judgement of God's character, based on his fundamentalist-like understanding of Genesis and some of the other texts (some of the stranger texts in the bible, I might add). In normal life, one generally tries to move in the opposite direction--from the more-sure to the more-questionable...


and this is the preamble to:

Why didn't God stop the process before it started, if He knew of the massive amounts of suffering that would befall many of His creatures??

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gr5part1.html

[miracles]

Hi Miricles:

My apologies. :)

No

Two separate and distinct Beings, as to whether He Pre-existed with Yahweh, I am not 100%

Michael S Heiser, who is credentialed and actually Translates Sumerian/Canaanite, Ugarite Texts has explored this in depth. The 'Net' is: Yahweh is a 'Species Unique', and Yahshua is a 'Species Unique'.

No other examples in Human History of this Paradigm

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

The Divine Council

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/

Also this Essay by Hoy I agree with 90+%

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/DefaultPW12_2004.htm

I have presented the above Essay to kasalt more than a half dozen times to critique, he does the 'Empty Poket Polka'

All the Data is based on scripture only.

Yahshua taught the Law of Yahweh exclusively, and Yahweh's Law teaches that Yahweh is one and that we are to serve and worship Yahweh only.

Yahchanan Mark 12:28-30—
28 Then one of the scribes came, and listened to all their discussion, and had noted how well He answered. So he asked Him; What is the first commandment of all?

29 And Yahshua answered Him: The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
30 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Mattithyah 4:10—
Then Yahshua said to her; You get away, Satan! For it is written: Yahweh your Father you must reverence, and Him only you must serve!

Deuteronomy 6:13—
Yahweh your Father you must reverence, and Him you must serve, and by His Name you must take your oaths.

Mattithyah 23:9—
And you must not pray to or worship any man on earth as a "Father," for you have only One Father, Who is in heaven.

Yahchanan 14:28—
You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Yahchanan 12:49-50—
49 For I have not spoken on My own; but the Father Who sent Me gave Me the Laws—what I should say and what I should speak.
50 And I know that His Laws are life everlasting; so whatever I speak, I am saying exactly what My Father has told Me to say.

Mattithyah 24:36—
But no man knows that day nor hour. No, not even the malakim in heaven, but My Father only.

Mattithyah 19:16-17—
16 And behold, one came to Him, and said; Teacher, what righteous thing may I do, so that I may have eternal life?
17 But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh .

If Yahweh is One, and Greater than Yahshua, this tells me they are not the Same Being.

Likewise I percieve the Holy Spirit is a Force, an Energy form Yahweh.

The Trinity is an Invention of the Catholics. An Embellishment. Not necessary.

Notice kasalt never gives credit where credit is due. What is presented is the Scholarly, Credentialed, Vetted and Sourced Opinion of the Encyclopedia Judaica. Look:



kasalt, your a whitebread hindu/former catholic/fundamentalist/evangilist.

You have proven time and time again you don't know what the Book of Yahweh is about; so put yer ass in one of the cheap seats; keep yer mouth shut and pay attention to the Drama that unfolds.


Miricles; Yahshua was representative of Yahwehs Character and Loving Heart towards ALL Humankind.

The Book of Yahweh is about Human Potentiality.

It provides examples of the very best of Humanity, and the very worst.

Explict instruction in Righteousness; the Torah and Testimony, explicit instruction asto the Perfect Understanding of Torah: The Sayings and Actions of Yahshua.

We are able to intimitely know Yahweh, through His Son; Yahshua with the Assistance of Yahwehs Holy Spirit..

So would you refer to your self as a Christian, or Yahweist?

[miracles]

Hi kasalt; Miricles:

Miricles; my apologies, but I have been very busy elsewheres. I am sure you understand.

kasalt, you really should mind your own business.

I am not 100% with the HoY. well over 80% though. I give their efforts an A, not quite A+ or E

Absolutely no 'Trinity'; this is proven by Scripture, and Scripture alone.

kasalt; increase your discernment. For two years I have presented as a Yahwist.

Since you have Archived ALL my Postings, where are my Posts that state: Xtians are 'Sleeper Cells for Yahweh.

Here, Miricles, examine this:

http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home&type=2

It is a Historical & Scriptural FACT that: Judaism and Christianity are Embellishments of Yahwism.

The original circle of people around Yahshua haNazarene haMessiah were known as 'Nazarenes'; see Acts.

At the consumation of Yahwehs Plan, there will no Jews or Christians; Hindus, Bhuddists, Muslims, Animaists, Pagans, Atheists.

All will be Yahwists.

Very interesting I shall look into this.

So a man basically earns his salvation through oneying the commandements? Is that right? If so what happens if he has broken one of the commandments?

Genuinely intersted, not having a crack at you at all.:)

What if one is Gentile and not Jewish? As you know I am christian so I cant go along with this dear Snoops. Sorry about that.

[kasalt]

Very interesting I shall look into this.


You should also look into the claim that Lucifer is a woman, and that Yahweh and Lucifer used to be married, until Yahweh realized that Lucifer was a queen bitch and they got divorced.

And then look into cult founder Yisrayl Hawkins claim to be one of the Two Witnesses talked about in the book of Revelation (the other being his now deceased brother).

Then look into how Yisrayl Hawkins has predicted nuclear war 3 times now, the dates for which have come and gone without a single bomb going off.

Then look into how Yisrayl Hawkins says that the Third Temple will be built in Abilene, Texas, instead of Jerusalem, and that everyone living at his compound will be saved from the effects of the coming nuclear war.

And then look at HoY's "translation" of the Bible, which differs considerably from any Hebrew text in existence. The King James Bible and all translations aside from his are false, his is the only true one.

And that's just for starters.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

So would you refer to your self as a Christian, or Yahweist?

Yahwist; f'sure :)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Very interesting I shall look into this.

So a man basically earns his salvation through oneying the commandements? Is that right? If so what happens if he has broken one of the commandments?

Genuinely intersted, not having a crack at you at all.:)

What if one is Gentile and not Jewish? As you know I am christian so I cant go along with this dear Snoops. Sorry about that.

Miricles; No Problemo.

What shall most likely occur is a Future Quikening of the xtians by Yahwehs Holy Spirit.

No difference between Gentiles and Hebrews as Yahweh declares 'One Law for All'--Exodus 12:49

We are all Yahwehs Creation. Because of Abrahams Righteousness, his descendants, the Hebrews; were 'Chosen' to be a 'Host Culture' so that Yahweh could work out His Plan with a select group of People.

Much more coming, stay tuned, I shall provide a Prolegemenon of Base-Line, Benchmark Data, all supported by Scripture and Credentialed References.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

You should also look into the claim that Lucifer is a woman, and that Yahweh and Lucifer used to be married, until Yahweh realized that Lucifer was a queen bitch and they got divorced.[/QUOTE]

Yahwehs Consort
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=yahwehs+consort&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g-sx1

I went into this in depth in the BoY Thread; she is the oft cited 'Queen of Heaven.

[QUOTE]And then look into cult founder Yisrayl Hawkins claim to be one of the Two Witnesses talked about in the book of Revelation (the other being his now deceased brother).

Mark this day; as I have informed from the Beginning, I did not believe Buffalo Bill fit all the Criteria for the witness. Since the witness data appears in many more Books than Revelation, the case is you have done insufficient data retrieval to make an honest judgement. I came to my conclusion scholasticaly, you emotionaly, carnaly.



Then look into how Yisrayl Hawkins has predicted nuclear war 3 times now, the dates for which have come and gone without a single bomb going off.

His arguments are an open book, read for yourself.

http://yahweh.com/PWMags/PW08-09/Intro.htm

Then look into how Yisrayl Hawkins says that the Third Temple will be built in Abilene, Texas, instead of Jerusalem, and that everyone living at his compound will be saved from the effects of the coming nuclear war.


This is half true, half false, he does say people will be protected if they go to Abilene, and he makes his arguments. Challenge those if you can.

The 3rd Temple will be Built in Jerusalem, just like we discussed many times before. His Temple Mount Project with Dr. Asher Kaufmann,

http://yahweh.com/TemplePage/Temple.html

And then look at HoY's "translation" of the Bible, which differs considerably from any Hebrew text in existence. The King James Bible and all translations aside from his are false, his is the only true one.
And that's just for starters.

And they openly suggest that people compare their translation with all other translations

Genesis

http://yahweh.com/gen1.html

John

http://yahweh.com/yahch1.html

Their 'Spiel'
http://yahweh.com/bookofyahweh.htm

kasalt:Your ardent obstructionism over two years informs me of much. :)

1: The Word of Yahweh: Of all the Doctrines; Messages; Data presented on this very diverse Board, The Word of Yah disturbs you the most.

You yourself utilise deceit and misdirection to interfere with what is ultimately a very simple Message, that benefits all humans, wildlife and the earths eco-system. Why anyone would oppose such beneficial Data mystifies me :confused:

My Survey and Audit and Forensic Analysis of the Critics of The Book of Yahweh informs me they have performed insufficient and inadequate Data Retrieval.

They nontheless formed misinformed opinions and challenge anyone who dares presents the Temerity to disagree with them.

I am here to help clarify these misconceptions so that we may all unite and work together to attempt to address the many problems and challenges pressing upon us.

With that I shall present the Prolegemenon upon which I shall construct the ensuing Data.

Bukle Up Buckaroos!!!!!

Giddyap!!! :)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Hello Classss!!!!!!!!!

I am here to present some Base-Line, Benchmark Data that is 100% Supported by Scriptural, Scientific and Historical Evidence!

There is a great deal of dialogue about the Bible, God and Jesus.

Here is Truth:

When anyone talks about the Bible, they are talking about the Book of Yahweh; this is the Title of the Bible.

Book of Isayah 34:16,17

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qa-tran.htm

When anyone talks about God, they are talking about Yahweh.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=448015&postcount=472

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Volume 4 page 923 says:
YAHWEH—The vocalization of the four consonants of the Israylite name for the Creator, which scholars believe to approximate the original pronunciation.


The Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia, page 690 tells us:
The Name par excellence for the Creator of Israyl is Yahweh, found 6,823 times in the OT. Through Israyl's deliverance from bondage in Egypt, adoption as a nation, and guidance to the Promised Land, the Redeemer-Creator is especially known by THIS NAME. (Emphasis ours).


James Moffatt, in his translation, The Bible: A New Translation, 1935, Harper and Brothers, informs us in his introduction:
Strictly speaking this ought to be rendered Yahweh which is familiar to modern readers in the erroneous form of Jehovah. Were this version intended for students of the original, there would be no hesitation whatever in printing Yahweh.


Although Moffatt substitutes the title, The Eternal in the place of the Name of Yahweh, he fully admits a distinct loss of meaning in this.


The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 680 states emphatically:
The true pronunciation of the Name YHWH was never lost. Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the Name was pronounced Yahweh.


The Hebrew-Aramaic-English Dictionary, by Marcus Jastrow, Volume 1, page 576, proves that the abbreviation in the Targum Onkelos is that of Yahweh's Name
+m. (abbrev. of the Tetragrammaton) Targ. Ps. 1, 2 (ed. Lag. ); a. fr.__Y. Snh. X, 28a top; a. fr. (interch. in eds. with).


The book The Meaning of the Qumran Scrolls for the Bible page 164 tells us that in these original writings the Name Yahweh stood alone.

Actually this practice was much earlier, for one of the frequent discrepancies between the Massoretic text and the presumed Hebrew Vorlage of the Septuagint is whether to read in a given passage Yahweh alone, or Yahweh Adonai.

This inconsistency was occasioned by the fact that originally Yahweh did stand alone, but that Adonai tended to be introduced alongside the Tetragrammaton by way of making explicit the surrogate.

This was not understood by the Massoretes, however, who felt compelled to vocalize both words.

Neither was it understood by the scribes of the Qumran Scrolls, nor even by still earlier translators of the LXX.

That Yahweh originally stood alone in most passages is supported by the fact that, in Hebrew poetry, the double designation of the Deity usually adds excessive length to the poetic stich.


So not only do we have proof that the Name Yahweh was written in the original Holy Scriptures, we have proof that it was spoken by all of Yahweh's people as well.


Yahweh's Name is written yod-heh-waw-heh in Hebrew, transliterated YHWH in English, but was written and properly pronounced, YAHWEH as these sources show. Notice what The Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 12, page 119 states:


It thus becomes possible to determine with a fair degree of certainty the historical pronunciation of the tetragrammaton, the results agreeing with the statement of Ex. iii. 14, in which YHWH terms Himself . "I will be," a phrase which is immediately proceeded by the fuller term "I will be that I will be," or, as in the English versions, "I am" and "I am that I am." The name is accordingly derived from the root =() and is regarded as an imperfect. This passage is decisive for the pronunciation "Yahweh"; for the etymology was undoubtedly based on the known word.


The personal Name of the Father of Israyl is written in the Hebrew Scriptures with the four consonants YHWH, and is referred to as the Tetragrammaton. At least until the destruction of the First Temple 586 B.C.E., Yahweh's Name was pronounced regularly with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that day. However, at least by the third century before our Messiah was born, the pronunciation of the Name Yahweh was avoided, and Adonai, the Lord, was substituted for it.

The Century Bible, Volume 1, pages 90-91 tells us:
Some time after the return from the Captivity, and before the beginning of the Christian Era, the Yahdaim (Jews) came to believe that the Holy Name YAHWEH was too sacred to be uttered on ordinary occasions.

It was said to be pronounced by the High Priest on the Day of Atonement.

At other times, when any one read or quoted aloud from what is called the Old Testament, the word Adonay, Lord, was usually substituted for Yahweh, and similarly the LXX (Septuagint Version) has Kurios, the Vulgate dominus, and the E.V. Lord, where the Hebrew has Yahweh.



Hebrew was originally written without vowels, but when the vowel points were added, the vowels of Adonay or Elohim were written with Yahweh, as a direction that these words were to be read instead of the word whose consonants were Yahweh; thus we find the combinations YeHoWah and YeHoWiH.

At the Reformation, the former being the more usual, was sometimes used as the Name of the (Mighty One) Of Israyl, and owing to ignorance of its history was misread as Jehovah, a form which has established itself in English, but does not give the pronunciation of the Holy Name it represents.


Much, much more at the resources link in siggy.


When People talk about Jesus, they are talking about Yahshua.

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/DefaultPW12_2004.htm

Specifically:

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/PW12-04/search.htm

The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation.


The Hebraic Tongue Restored, by Fabre d'Olivet, page 462, gives us this information concerning the Hebrew word, shua. We find that this word comes from the word yasha:


Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon To The Old Testament, page 811, tells us:


The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 447, tells us about the word yasha.


Thus we have + (yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin). This name is correctly pronounced YAH-SHU-A, since the letter waw in this compound is silent, just as The Hebraic Tongue Restored, by Fabre d'Olivet, pages 112-113, tells us.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

There are words used in The Book of Yahweh from Genesis to Revelation; These words retain their specific definations throughout the Book of Yahweh to allow the reader to understand exactly what is being written.

Very important words:

Righteous/ness, Sin, Iniquity and Law.

Strongs Concordance:

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

Seek the definition of these words and see how they are utilised in their Textual, Grammatical and Cultural Contexts

Like 1John 3:4--'Sin is the Transgression of the Law.

By utilising uniform definitions in their proper context, all us may better understand each other, and come to some consensus. :)

[kasalt]

You yourself utilise deceit and misdirection to interfere with what is ultimately a very simple Message, that benefits all humans, wildlife and the earths eco-system. Why anyone would oppose such beneficial Data mystifies me :confused:

You yourself have admitted that you agree with "well over 80%" of what the HoY teaches. This means that you disagree with 10-20% of what they teach. Why you would oppose such beneficial Data mystifies me :confused:

They nontheless formed misinformed opinions and challenge anyone who dares presents the Temerity to disagree with them.

By your own admission, you also have the Temerity to disagree with them on certain points. It is frankly hypocritical of you to afford yourself that right while denying that right to others.

[miracles]

You should also look into the claim that Lucifer is a woman, and that Yahweh and Lucifer used to be married, until Yahweh realized that Lucifer was a queen bitch and they got divorced.

And then look into cult founder Yisrayl Hawkins claim to be one of the Two Witnesses talked about in the book of Revelation (the other being his now deceased brother).

Then look into how Yisrayl Hawkins has predicted nuclear war 3 times now, the dates for which have come and gone without a single bomb going off.

Then look into how Yisrayl Hawkins says that the Third Temple will be built in Abilene, Texas, instead of Jerusalem, and that everyone living at his compound will be saved from the effects of the coming nuclear war.

And then look at HoY's "translation" of the Bible, which differs considerably from any Hebrew text in existence. The King James Bible and all translations aside from his are false, his is the only true one.

And that's just for starters.

Okay but I'll need to order a pound of ganga to look into that one. :D

Look into Panins translation, its exact. No ganga required.

[tannah]

Yahweh/Enlil the Gold mission and the Christian Hell:


The connection between the real palace of Enlil in Eden, symbolizing a rich and pleasant place and Christianity is not far fetched, as Enlil, the alien prince who came to Earth to obtain Gold, later became the god of both Christians and Moslems.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/he-gold-mission-and-the-christian-hel.html

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Yahweh/Enlil the Gold mission and the Christian Hell:

Thank you tannah for the childish cartoon version. Why would you want to frighten young developing minds with such a morbid fantasy?

Here, try some adult Scholarship:

Granted, it will take some reading, and you will have to set aside your personal Biases, however the end result is you will be accurately informed? :)

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gilgymess.html

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/

To persist in folly is to invite inevitable disappointment in the future.


Kind Regards

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

You yourself have admitted that you agree with "well over 80%" of what the HoY teaches. This means that you disagree with 10-20% of what they teach. Why you would oppose such beneficial Data mystifies me :confused:

By your own admission, you also have the Temerity to disagree with them on certain points. It is frankly hypocritical of you to afford yourself that right while denying that right to others.

All I can say kasalt is your postings have rung all these bells:

Derangment, Delusion, Delirium, Dementia, Disingenouosness.

Your salacious and rapacious innuendo and false allegations prove to me you are by far the most Toxic person here, and certainly more Toxic than Buffalo Bill.

It is the Word of Yahweh that pagans fear the most.

kasalt, not once have you engaged me Academically, the Book of Yahweh is vastly superior to the KJV, as a hindu christian gnostic, why do you care so much. Notice I just posted 3 truths, challenge those.

And like I have said before, considering the materiel you Post, you honestly have nothing to say to anybody. Funny, the only hypocrite I smell around here is you. You are a Stench in the nostrils of decent, honest folks.

Look at your shit pile on the floor and clean it up. you even enticed board members to send mony to this Charlatan.

The only essential oils I need are Valvoline and Extra Virgin Olive Oil.!!! lol

Look at this shit!

A woman who is: A) either talking to herself, or B) Channeling a Demonic Decieving Spirit.http://www.lovewithoutend.com/

Either way; worthless.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

As as anyone can see the Word of Yahweh does not resonate with our Pagan friends and collegues. :(

Is there anyother Book that has been so mistreated and abused by Venal and Carnal Humans for their selfish lusts for Power, Self Agrandizement and Material Self Enrichment?

Names are changed, Doctrines are Changed, so much so eventually peeps never knew what the Book was really about.

Yachanan(Yahweh is Merciful; john)
7:7 The world cannot hate you; but it hates Me, because of the Testimony I bring against it: That its works are evil.

Yachanan 18:20
Yahshua answered him: I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in the Synagogues and in the Sacred Precincts (the Temple itself), where the Yahdaim(people of Yahweh, aka: hebrews, jews) always meet; and I have said nothing in secret.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

look, the disconnect is on the Pagan end of communications. The Pagans have taken on too much substandard information and that has led us to this most critical juncture in history.

Should the Pagans persist in their folly, the future shall be very bleak.

Here is a Proof.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=448015&postcount=472

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/PW12-04/search.htm


Had the wonderful peeps of Britain had been aware of this authentic Data BEFORE Mr. Icke appeared on that telly show; where he proclaimed that he was a 'son of god'; hardly an eyebrow would have been raised. there would have been no furour, calamity, reprobations.

Because of very common misinformation, a great deal of peeps discombobulated; for no good reason..

Mr. Icke NEVER said: I am Yahshua, Son of Yahweh.

That is what Yahshua did and it got Him killed.
When, o when will people learn to discern.


The Romans nailed a placard above Yahshua on the Stake, it read:

Yahshua Hanazarene Vemelech Yahudaim

Notice the Tetragrammaton, this is why the pharisees and sadducees ripped their garments.


Yahshua; King of the Jews :)


much more, stay tuned, avail yourself of quality material while it still remains.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Posted by Snoops; misquoted by kasalt)You yourself have admitted that you agree with "well over 80%" (I said maybe 80%, desist from exaggerating and decieving)of what the HoY teaches. This means that you disagree with 10-20% of what they teach. Why you would oppose such beneficial Data mystifies me :confused:

By your own admission, you also have the Temerity to disagree with them on certain points. It is frankly hypocritical of you to afford yourself that right while denying that right to others.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1230807&postcount=13
You yourself utilise deceit and misdirection to interfere with what is ultimately a very simple Message, that benefits all humans, wildlife and the earths eco-system. Why anyone would oppose such beneficial Data mystifies me


For the Record, my words were quoted out of context, to create Pretext.

The Beneficial Data I refer to is in the Book of Yahweh/Bible; any translation. Of which 12 translations are availiable 15 seconds after clicking on my Resources Link, in my signature.

All the Data between and including the First verse of Genesis, to the Last verse of the Book of Revelation.

This was not a Biased and Blanket endorsement of Hoy.


The TITLE of ALL Bibles is: The Book of Yahweh

There seems to be two camps of researchers; those who Posit that the Meanings and Definitions of Words are unimportant, or Plastic at best.

Not so in the case of the Book of Yahweh/Bible.

The Definitions of Words are very important. So important one of the First Principles of Biblical Exegis is the 'Principle of First Mention'. Where the word is first mentioned often establishes the definition and thus the intent.

The word 'Law' is first mentioned in Genesis, and defined as a position of Familial Relationship, an 'In-Law'.

Later the word is Defined as Yahwehs Laws, Statutes and Judgements.

Righteousness is defined as being in accord with Yahwehs Laws.

Sin is defined as Transgression of Yahwehs Laws.

So when one reads the Book, they will see these words and understand their exact meaning, in both the Textual and Grammatical Context.

When people share the same definition of Words, they can communicate more effectively.

The Prophet Isayah provides excellent Tutelage for reading the Book of Yahweh: Line upon Line upon Line; Precept. upon Precept upon Precept, here a little, there a little.

This informs us Holy Scripture will define, and re-inforce itself. To prove your exegis of one verse, one must provide supporting verses that agree Textualy, Grammaticaly and Culturaly. From Bereshith/Genesis to Revelation.

Having an accurate understanding of these words enable the reader to understand Yahwehs Message.


Righteous/ness

Iniquity

Sin

Truth

Law/s

The Book may be percieved as a Railway Line.

One Mainline, many branch lines.


The Line begins first verse of Genesis and Proceeds to the Last verse of Revelation.

The MainLine is Straight & Narrow.

The Torah and the Testimony are the continuous Thread along this Line. Isayah also tells us: If they speak not to the Torah and Testimony, there is no Light in them.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

This is a very comprehensive examination of the 18 Greatest Mistakes of Interpretation in the New Testament.

http://www.thepathtolife.com/PathtoLife.pdf

The Hebrews/Jews-Christians 'Miss the Mark' concerning the usage of Yahwehs Proper Name.

The Commandment they 'Miss the Mark' of is the Third.

http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/articles/?page=third_commandment&type=12


Let’s Not Break The Third Commandment!by Rabbi/Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky

In Exodus 3:13-15, the Creator revealed to Moshe that His eternal Name is YAHWEH and states that the very "Name" itself is to be used, propagated and spoken by all true worshipers. He gave Moshe and all the children of Yisrael his Name as an eternal memorial to all generations. YHVH is the tetragramaton for the Hebrew phrase Ehyeh asher ehyeh, "I will become that which I will become." YAHWEH was revealing to Moses and to us that He would become the solution and the answer to whatever problem Moses faced in his call to redeem our people from Egypt.

"The Name" of YAHWEH was known to Adam, Eve and others prior to the global flood of Noah’s day. We see in Genesis 4:26, that mankind after Adam did in fact know and call on His true Name. After Noah, Abraham also knew his Sacred Name since he plainly labeled Mt Moriah as-Yahweh Yireh! This knowledge was then passed along to his son Isaac and his grandson Israel then to the Israelites in Egypt.

In Exodus 3:13-15, the Creator revealed to Moshe that His eternal Name is YAHWEH and states that the very "Name" itself is to be used, propagated and spoken by all true worshipers. He gave Moshe and all the children of Yisrael his Name as an eternal memorial to all generations. YHVH is the tetragramaton for the Hebrew phrase Ehyeh asher ehyeh, "I will become that which I will become." YAHWEH was revealing to Moses and to us that He would become the solution and the answer to whatever problem Moses faced in his call to redeem our people from Egypt.

"The Name" of YAHWEH was known to Adam, Eve and others prior to the global flood of Noah’s day. We see in Genesis 4:26, that mankind after Adam did in fact know and call on His true Name. After Noah, Abraham also knew his Sacred Name since he plainly labeled Mt Moriah as-Yahweh Yireh! This knowledge was then passed along to his son Isaac and his grandson Israel then to the Israelites in Egypt.

[kasalt]

Posted by Snoops; misquoted by kasalt)You yourself have admitted that you agree with "well over 80%" (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1230807&postcount=13) (I said maybe 80%, desist from exaggerating and decieving)

For the Record, my words were quoted out of context, to create Pretext.

Are you kidding me? These are your words, quoted directly from one of your posts earlier in this thread:

I am not 100% with the HoY. well over 80% though.

:rolleyes:

[miracles]

Miricles; No Problemo.

What shall most likely occur is a Future Quikening of the xtians by Yahwehs Holy Spirit.

No difference between Gentiles and Hebrews as Yahweh declares 'One Law for All'--Exodus 12:49

We are all Yahwehs Creation. Because of Abrahams Righteousness, his descendants, the Hebrews; were 'Chosen' to be a 'Host Culture' so that Yahweh could work out His Plan with a select group of People.

Much more coming, stay tuned, I shall provide a Prolegemenon of Base-Line, Benchmark Data, all supported by Scripture and Credentialed References.
You definately know your onions mate. Im an infant anylist compared to you. Where you brought up in the Jewish faith? Your knowldege is phenomenal

[kasalt]

You definately know your onions mate. Im an infant anylist compared to you. Where you brought up in the Jewish faith? Your knowldege is phenomenal

Yes, and if what he knew was actually true, then he'd really be on to something. But, unfortunately...

[kasalt]

I shall provide a Prolegemenon of Base-Line, Benchmark Data, all supported by Scripture and Credentialed References.

Him speak'm big words, with which him hope to fool lots of people.

Him not fool me.

[miracles]

Yes, and if what he knew was actually true, then he'd really be on to something. But, unfortunately...

If you have alook at his Christian think tank link Kasalt, truley mate its kind of hard to ignore the plethora of validiy in the arguemnets put forward my friend. I dont agree with snoops stance on Yahweism as a religion but still, the guy knows what he believes and why he believes it and abely argues his stance. Having said that, Ive stopped eating PORK products. LOL.

[kasalt]

If you have alook at his Christian think tank link Kasalt, truley mate its kind of hard to ignore the plethora of validiy in the arguemnets put forward my friend.

Thing is, anyone can put a quality link in their signature, but Snoops already told you on this thread that he does not believe that Jesus is God ("Yahweh") and that he is not a Christian. So why does he have in his signature a link to a Christian website that in so many ways contradicts what he believes? And on fundamental issues as well! For example, in direct contradiction to what Snoops believes, this site teaches that Jesus is Yahweh:

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/cw4hx.html

[miracles]

Thing is, anyone can put a quality link in their signature, but Snoops already told you on this thread that he does not believe that Jesus is God ("Yahweh") and that he is not a Christian. So why does he have in his signature a link to a Christian website that in so many ways contradicts what he believes? And on fundamental issues as well! For example, in direct contradiction to what Snoops believes, this site teaches that Jesus is Yahweh:

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/cw4hx.html

Good point. I dont know? WHy snoops??? Are you sure you arent a closet Christian snoops?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Thing is, anyone can put a quality link in their signature, but Snoops already told you on this thread that he does not believe that Jesus is God ("Yahweh") and that he is not a Christian. So why does he have in his signature a link to a Christian website that in so many ways contradicts what he believes? And on fundamental issues as well! For example, in direct contradiction to what Snoops believes, this site teaches that Jesus is Yahweh:

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/cw4hx.html

kasalt; all your infantile sobriquets and adolescent Bric-a-bracs aside, every thing you have said is wrong.

"Persist in your Folly, and surely Tears shall follow" Barnacle Bill; the Sailor


Be that as it may, I do not know how to spell out my Position better than I already have on Numerous Occassions:

55yo Level 'A' Labourer, 11th Grade Education; Vast Life Experience.

I am an Independent Yahwist, that is to say: I embrace the Book of Yahweh/Bible from the First Verse of Genesis to the Last Verse of Revelation.

Only Scripture Interprets Scripture.

Tri-Angulate

Textual, Contextual, Grammatical, Cultural

Obey the Edicts: Do not Add to the Word of Yahweh, Do not Take Away from the Word of Yahweh, Do not change in anyway yhe Word of Yahweh.

Judaism and Christianity are 'Embellishments' of Yahwism.

They have taken on Humankind Traditions and Doctrines.

These 'Embellishments' will Fall Away when Yahwehs Holy Spirit Quickens them. This will be: .The Time of the Gentiles, which will then awaken the Jews, and should everything go according to Plan, all the Jews and Christians will become Yahwists.

Why do you think there are now 350 Million Christians in China. :cool:

The Muslims are the Sons and Daughters of Ishmael, upon whom Yahweh poured out His Blessings; 12 Sons, Tribes and Nations.
To have many, many Descendants. :)

They too, shall be Quickened by Yahwehs Holy Spirit.

And as Readers of the Book of Yahweh know; Ishmael and Isaac have already reunited at Abrahams Funeral.

Since so many events in the Bible are a Foreshadow of Things to Come.

So as a Level 'A' Labourer with an 11th Grade Education and Experience, I decided to approach this Study; Mechanically & Mathematically.

Engineering :)

Put ALL the Bits & Pieces upon the Table, Procure the most accurate and reliable Documents of Instructions and Supporting and Opposing Documents.

Made a Pot o' Tea and 'Set About'

If kasalt has really Surveyed my Postings, he would know I have been Posting Glenn Miller materiel for almost 2 years. I have Posted Documents that contain the 'Pre-Existant Messiah' Data, though I, myself disagree with it.

The Resources availiable at my Link are a very Broad Spectrum.

My personal Faith is never 'threatened', because I based it upon my own unbiased Research.

The last two verses of Ecclesiastes are awesome!

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Examine this Document, an amazing encounter between Yahshua haNazarene haMoshiyach and the Canaanite woman.

It contains a Miracle.

However many Critics utilise this event to deduce that Yahshua is a Racist.

By retaining the Cultural and Linguistic Context of this Story, a far more compelling understanding may be reached.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qcrude.html

why was Jesus so mean and insulting to the Canaanite woman?

pt.ll
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gooddoggy.html

And this Segues nicely into the Difference between Miricles and Magic.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/mqx.html


.........That gives us:

· 17 healing events [representatives in all 4 gospels]

· 7 exorcisms [representatives in all gospels except John]

· 3 precognition (possibly nature, all with fish) miracles [representatives in all gospels except Mark]

· 3 revivification miracles [representatives in all 4 gospels]

· 6 nature miracles [representatives in all 4 gospels]

1. creation of matter (food multiplication, 2x)

2. defiance of gravity (walking on water)

3. control of thermal energy (calming a storm)

4. control of metabolic processes (withering of fig tree)

5. rearrangement of molecular structure/creation of matter (turning water into wine)

Now, the question is NOT ABOUT "could miracles stories have crept into the accounts accidentally during the generally assumed oral transmission period?", but rather is about deliberate and/or intentional introduction of elements by the Apostles (and presumably the gospel authors).

[We will have to also discuss the possibility of their being subconsciously influenced--without their realizing it--by "mythic" elements in their worldview, such as ANE kingship models etc, but we will do this after the main question of conscious intention.]

In the case of Matthew and John, of course, the two are the same--they are both alleged to have been original disciples of Jesus--but Luke and Mark are generally considered to be at one remove from them [with Luke being an 'investigator' and Mark something like a ghost-writer for Peter]. But for our purposes here, we will focus on the gospel authors (or the immediate predecessors of them, responsible for any recognizable 'chucks' of material or sources for them).
Of course, if one works within the current version of the Two-Source Theory, we need only concern ourselves with Mark and Q, since Matthew and Luke are dependent on these two sources (acc. to the theory). Mark contains 18 of the 36 recorded miracles (with only two being unique to him). We would then turn to John to see if there were indications of deliberate 'creation' of miraculous elements in the six miracle stories unique to his gospel.
Now, when we frame the question in terms of authorial intent (i.e., did the Evangelists deliberately create miraculous elements for inclusion into the final product), we are immediately confronted with the issue of motive, and this will create the first set of questions we need to
address.........

This is an excerpt from the first part of a 14 part essay. Very Comprehensive and Distinguishes very well between Miracles and Magic.

Also looks deeply into the general Credulity and Gullibility of various Populations in the ANE.

Certainly the difference is obvious in the Book of Yahweh; the magicians, sorcerers, etal, are required to expend considerable sums of energies and resources, debilitating themselves to achieve their desire.

Yahshua haNazarene, HaMashiyach and the Circle of Twelve, His main Lads, all performed Miracles by merely uttering a few Hebrew Words, or Silently, and Sometimes Remotely (telepathicaly?)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

First Posted 11-6-2008

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=383805&postcount=8

Original Document
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/pseudox.html

Though a very interesting and informative essay, not one Board member engaged in Dialogue.

Notice. the Document explores the Morality of the Authors of the Renewed Covenant, B'rit HaKadesh, the New Testament. It explicitly informs that a Yahwist, Jew or Christian may never lie or decieve to achieve their goals. They must ALWAYS be Truthful.

I have already Posted what I have declared Truths, and I am ready, willing and able to defend these declarations, Scripturally, Contextualy, Culturaly, Grammaticaly using Peer-Reviewed Academic Sources.

More Truths.

Yahshua HaNazarene HaMessiah, The Patriarchs and Prophets and Yahshuas' Circle of Twelve (His innermost Apostles and Disciples) were all Torah Conscious and Torah Observant, all of them were Servants of Yahweh.

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/DefaultPW12_2004.htm

This document, though presented numerous Times, has not brought forth an intellectual discussion.

This one Document dispels many of the Paganic Embellishments the Christians have taken on.

It is further supported by a 434 page book by HoY.

"Did Yahshua Messiah Pre-Exist?"

And this deals explicitly with the Paganic Embellishments of a Pre-Existent Messiah, The Trinity, and the Hellenic 'Logos'. These are some of the Embellishments that distance Christians from Yahweh. Also their Anti-Nomian(against YHWHS Laws) position. None of these positions are Scripturally supported.

Read the Scriptures for yourself, any Translation.

Scripture says: Yahweh cannot be Tempted, yet we are all aware of the Temptation of Yahshua by HaSatan in the Wilderness. Very important to notice is Yahshua dispelled, rebuked and refuted HaSatan with three verses of Law from the Torah. The Revealed Will of Yahweh.
http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/DefaultPW12_2004.htm

If Christian scholars would conduct a truly unbiased study of the Holy Scriptures concerning the prophesied Savior, they would find, as many who seek Scriptural truth have, that the prophesied Savior is NOT the savior proclaimed by the Christian world today.

The prophesied Savior did indeed come, and He actually did live and die, as the prophets accurately foretold. The true Savior, according to Scriptural prophecy, would have lived and died before the temple and the city of Jerusalem were destroyed in 70 C.E.


We will study Volumes One and Two of the Book of Yahweh, which are commonly known as the Old and New Testaments; concerning the prophesied Savior Who the prophets and apostles presented to us...

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/PW12-04/search.htm

There is nothing recorded in Volume Two of the Holy Scriptures that ever quotes Yahshua as saying He was either an equal part of a trinity with Yahweh or that He pre-existed with Yahweh. On the contrary, everything Yahshua spoke showed He was in complete submission to His Heavenly Father Yahweh and to His Laws, as we all should be.

Yahshua taught the Law of Yahweh exclusively, and Yahweh's Law teaches that Yahweh is one and that we are to serve and worship Yahweh only.

Yahchanan Mark 12:28-30—
28 Then one of the scribes came, and listened to all their discussion, and had noted how well He answered. So he asked Him; What is the first commandment of all?
29 And Yahshua answered Him: The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
30 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Mattithyah 4:10—
Then Yahshua said to her; You get away, Satan! For it is written: Yahweh your Father you must reverence, and Him only you must serve!

Deuteronomy 6:13—
Yahweh your Father you must reverence, and Him you must serve, and by His Name you must take your oaths.

Mattithyah 23:9—
And you must not pray to or worship any man on earth as a "Father," for you have only One Father, Who is in heaven.

Yahchanan 14:28—
You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Yahchanan 12:49-50—
49 For I have not spoken on My own; but the Father Who sent Me gave Me the Laws—what I should say and what I should speak.
50 And I know that His Laws are life everlasting; so whatever I speak, I am saying exactly what My Father has told Me to say.

Mattithyah 24:36—
But no man knows that day nor hour. No, not even the malakim in heaven, but My Father only.

Mattithyah 19:16-17—
16 And behold, one came to Him, and said; Teacher, what righteous thing may I do, so that I may have eternal life?
17 But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh .


Yahshua always stated Himself that Yahweh was greater than He, and that He said or did nothing unless Yahweh told Him to do it. This is all Scripturally supported, any Translation. :)

The apostles taught that Yahshua was a mortal man, not a pre-existent God-savior. They taught that He was tempted like all men are tempted.

Hebrews 4:15—
For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are—yet was without sin.

They also taught that Yahweh, however, cannot be tempted.

Yaaqob 1:13—
Let no one say when he is tempted: I am tempted by Yahweh; for Yahweh cannot be tempted with evil, nor does He tempt anyone.

The apostles also taught that Yahshua died.

Yahchanan Mark 15:37—
Then Yahshua cried with a loud voice, and died.

The apostles also taught that Yahweh raised Yahshua from the dead.

Acts 2:32—
This Yahshua, has Yahweh raised up, and of this we are all witnesses!

It is a Scriptural fact that Yahweh is immortal, that He cannot die. So if Yahweh and Yahshua are the same being (as Christianity teaches) how could one die and the other live to raise the one who died? This simply makes no sense, but neither does any Christian doctrine. Notice what the Apostle Shaul wrote, speaking of Yahweh.

I Timothy 6:16—
Who alone has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; Whom no man has seen, nor can see; to Whom belongs honor and power everlasting. HalleluYahweh! Praise Yahweh!

In this verse, we also read that no man has ever seen Yahweh, yet Yahshua most definitely was seen.

The Pagan Logos
In order to justify their claim that Yahshua is Yahweh and that He pre-existed with Yahweh, the Christians quote the following Scripture from the King James Version.

John 1:1-5, KJV—
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The word word in these verses comes from the Greek word logos. The Christians, so eager to promote the pagan Trinity, attached to the word every pagan interpretation. But they deliberately ignore the fact that Yahchanan was a Jew who had nothing to do with pagan Greek philosophy.

This also occurs in the KJV 1 John 5:7 which is an admitted interpolation; Forgery, and does not appear in the oldest Documents.

The Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia, Moody Press, Chicago, IL, Volume 2 pages 1046-1047. gives us the following information.

Many scholars have argued that the apostle John had this philosophical development in the back of his mind when he wrote the prologue to his Gospel and that he actually tried to impart some of these concepts. For a long time many have contended that the background of the fourth Gospel was essentially Hellenistic rather than Hebraic. In dealing with such an assertion we may note that studies in the Dead Sea scrolls have tended to confirm the traditional conservative position that the cultural orientation of the Gospel of John was Hebraic. Moreover, we must observe that John was a simple fisherman from Palestine. While he did come to live in the sophisticated city of Ephesus, probably after the fall of Jerusalem in a.d. 70, there is no evidence that he imbibed any of that city's Gr. philosophical orientation. If he intended to be philosophical in the first few verses, he certainly was not anywhere else. We may argue that John used the word "logos." which was common in the language of the day, in its ordinary meaning and poured into it a spiritual significance.

This source admits that Yahchanan used this word in its ordinary meaning. They further admit that Yahchanan's writings were Hebraic.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 1060, admits that the style of most of the writings in Volume Two of the Holy Scriptures is, in fact, Hebraic.

THE LANGUAGE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
Although the language of the New Testament, in the form that it exists today, is Greek, two earlier influences are still discernible.
(1) THE INFLUENCE OF THE ARAMAIC-HEBREW ORIGINAL.
Because most of the authors were Jewish Nazarenes, they spoke, for the most part, Aramaic, and some also mishnaic Hebrew. This influence, which was detectable particularly in the original versions of Mark and Matthew, survives to some degree in their extant Greek versions and in several of the Epistles as well, including James and Jude. The rest of the works were originally written in Greek.
(2) THE SEPTUAGINT.
Since this translation was used by many authors, the New Testament contains not only Aramaic words and phrases, which the disciples heard from Jesus and took care to remember out of reverence for their master (e.g. Talitha Kumi (Mark 5:41), Kum, Rabboni, Eli, Eli (Elohi, Elohi) lama sabachthani (Matt. 27:46; Mark 15:24)), but also expressions and phrases which retain their Hebrew flavor although they were transmitted through the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible.

So to assert that the Apostle Yahchanan was writing of a pagan logos is absurd. The word logos in its ordinary meaning comes from the Hebrew word I as Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, page 380

The Interpreter's Dictionary, Volulme 4 pages 870-871, states emphatically:

"The word of God" is used of:
(a) the OT law (cf. Mark 7:13=Matt 15:6, where it is contrasted with the tradition of the Jews); (b) a particular OT passage (cf. John 10:35, referring to Ps. 82:6); (c) in a more general sense, God's revealed will, or his whole plan and purpose for mankind (cf. Luke 11:28; Rom. 9:6; Col. 1:25-27, where it is defined as the "mystery hidden for ages and generations but now manifest to his saints..., which is Christ in you"; Heb. 4:12); (d) the word preached by Jesus (cf. Luke 5:1; perhaps also 11:28, cited in c above); and the referenced made by Jesus to the word of God which he has preached (described as "his word"or "thy word," according to the context) in John 5:38; 8:55; 17:6; etc.;


So Yahchanan wrote, under inspiration, not of a pre-existent God-savior, but of the wonderful Plan of Yahweh. The Anchor Bible, Ephesians 1-3, page 111, shows us from the Talmud that seven things were in Yahweh's mind, His Plan, from the beginning and this plan included the Savior.

IN THE TALMUD tractate Pesachim 54a; cf. Nedarim 39b, seven things, i.e. the law, repentance, paradise, Gehinnom, the throne of glory, the heavenly sanctuary, and the messiah are not called pre-created, but pre-conceived in (Yahweh's) thoughts.


With all this in mind, let us read the correct translation of the following Scripture.

Yahchanan 1:1-5—
1 In the beginning was the plan of Yahweh, and the plan was with Yahweh, and the plan was Yahweh's.
2 The same plan was in the beginning with Yahweh.
3 All things were done according to it, and without it nothing was done, that was done.
4 In this plan was life, and that life was the light to mankind.
5 Now that light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not take hold of it.

The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!


It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!


I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?


II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.


II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.


Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.


I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).


Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.[/QUOTE]






Yahweh And Yahshua, Two Different Beings

Some of those trying to support the deception of a pre-existent savior argue that Yahshua and Yahweh are the same being. They also argue that Yahshua was Yahweh of the Old Testament. These arguments held up to the light of the Scriptures plainly show that Yahshua and Yahweh are two different Beings.

Acts 3:13-15—
13 The Father of Abraham, Isaac, and Yaaqob, the Father of our fathers, glorified His Servant Yahshua, Whom you handed over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to release Him.
14 However, you denied the holy one and the just, and demanded that a murderer should be released to you;
15 And killed the Prince of Life, Whom Yahweh raised from the dead. Of this we are witnesses.

Who raised Yahshua from the dead? It was Yahweh the Father. The Scriptures say that it is Yahweh Who raises the dead.

Yahchanan 5:21—
For as the Father raises up the dead, and gives them life, so also the Son offers life to those whom Yahweh wills.

Yahshua could not raise Himself, since the Scriptures say that He was the One Who was dead. It takes the power of someone who is alive and who has power over death to raise a person from the dead.

In Acts 3:15, we are emphatically told that Someone was Yahweh, the Father of Abraham, Isaac, and Yaaqob. This should prove to anyone that Yahweh and Yahshua Messiah are two different beings.


In the Holy Scriptures, we read:

Hebrews 9:15—
And for this reason He is the mediator[/B](not Miriam/Mary) of the renewed covenant, under which, through the means of death to bring redemption from transgressions committed under the covenant, the first who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

[B]This Scripture tells us, plainly, that because Yahshua Messiah was willing to give up His life for the Plan of Yahweh, He became the Mediator of the renewed Covenant.

Any reliable dictionary will tell you that the word death used in Hebrews 9:15, means the act of dying; permanent ending of all life in a person, animal, or plant.

The Holy Scriptures also confirm the fact that to become dead means to become senseless.

Ecclesiastes 9:5—
For the living know that they will die; but the dead do not know anything; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.

It is a Scriptural fact that one who is dead does not even know that he is dead. Yahshua Messiah did not know anything during the three days and three nights He was dead. Therefore, He most certainly did not raise Himself from the dead.

Yahshua Messiah did die; all life ceased to exist in His body. He was dead for three days and three nights.

Yahweh, however, was alive; Yahweh is immortal. Yahweh cannot die.

Yahweh could not have been Yahshua, because the Holy Scriptures say that Yahshua died.

The word mortal from The New World Dictionary of the American Language, comes from the word mortis, which means death, akin to the word mori, which means to die. Therefore, Yahshua Messiah was mortal. Yahshua Messiah died.

The word immortal from this same dictionary, means not mortal; deathless.

Yahweh is immortal. Yahweh could not have died. Dying is an impossibility for an immortal being.

Yahshua Messiah was not immortal at that time. He was made subject to death.

Hebrews 2:9—
But we see Yahshua, Who also was made a little lower than the malakim, crowned with glory and honor because of His having suffered death, in order that He, through the love of Yahweh, might taste death for everyone.

Yahshua died; Yahshua suffered death, proving by His dying that He was not an immortal, pre-existent Being.


[QUOTE]Most people in this world do not realize the importance of understanding and believing exactly what Yahweh says about Yahshua's beginning.

To believe in a pre-existent savior is just as detrimental to our salvation as believing in a savior other than Yahshua Messiah, Who was sent by Yahweh.

As incredible as it may sound, the doctrine of a pre-existent savior was being taught even before Yahshua Messiah was born. This doctrine was condemned by the apostles. The apostles called those who taught it anti-Messiahs.

II John 1:7, KJV—
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-christ.

The word translated come in this Scripture is word #2064 in Strong's Greek Dictionary, the word erchomai, and means to come or go in a great variety of applications.

The Greek-English Lexicon by Liddell and Scott, Oxford tells us that this Greek word means to start.

Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon shows the Greek word #2064, erchomai on pages 250-251 and shows that one of these definitions means to come into being, arise, come forth, show itself, find place or influence.

The Concordant Version of the Sacred Scriptures, shows us the word for word ancient translation of: II Yahchanan 7—


Accordingly, this verse should read:

II Yahchanan 1:7-
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, who do not confess Yahshua Messiah as having begun in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an Anti-Messiah!


Then, by reading I Yahchanan 4:2-3, we should realize the importance the apostles placed upon following the Savior sent by Yahweh. However, just by reading this in the King James Version, one would not be able to realize the importance.

I John 4:2-3, KJV—
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus is come in the flesh, is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Every place the word come is used in the King James Version of I Yahchanan 4:2-3, it is the same Greek word that was used in II Yahchanan 1:7, the word erchomai. Like the word come in II Yahchanan 1:7, the true meaning of this word in I Yahchanan 4:2-3 is not apparent in the King James Version. However, the meaning of this word becomes clearer when other Scriptures that use the word erchomai are compared.

John 1:9, KJV—
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

The word translated cometh in Yahchanan 1:9, is also the same Greek word that is translated come in I Yahchanan 4:2-3 and II Yahchanan 1:7 which is rendered erchomai in Strong's Greek Dictionary.

Everyone agrees that for any man to come into the world that man has to begin in the flesh. That is exactly the context of the word cometh in Yahchanan 1:9.

For a man, any man, to come into the world, this means that man has to be born.

Our Savior sent by Yahweh, Yahshua Messiah, was conceived, which means to start life in the womb.

It is vital that we understand how important it is for us to believe in the Savior Who was promised by Yahweh, Who was conceived in His mother's womb Who was not pre-existent.

This understanding about the Savior sent by Yahweh, a Savior Who did not pre-exist, becomes apparent when one understands the true meaning of the Greek word, erchomai, used in II Yahchanan 1:7, I Yahchanan 4:2-3, and Yahchanan 1:9.

Correctly translated in The Book of Yahweh, we read:

II Yahchanan 1:7—
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, who do not confess Yahshua Messiah as having begun in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-Messiah!


I Yahchanan 2:18—
Little children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Anti-Messiah will come, even now there are many Anti-messiahs; by this we know that this is the last hour.


I Yahchanan 4:2-3—
2 By this you will know the Spirit of Yahweh: Every spirit that confesses that Yahshua Messiah started in the flesh is of Yahweh,
3 And every spirit that does not confess that Yahshua Messiah started in the flesh is not of Yahweh. So this is the spirit of the Anti-Messiah which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

The word translated confess-confesseth in these Scriptures is word #3670 in Strong's Greek Dictionary, and means to assent, covenant, acknowledge.

However, Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon, clearly states the meaning of this word as to say the same thing, not to refuse, not to deny, to confess, to declare openly and voluntarily implying the yielding or change of one's conviction, to praise, celebrate.

The Apostle Yahchanan was explaining that those who acknowledge that Yahshua Messiah, the Savior sent by Yahweh had an existence beginning in the flesh, which was in the womb of Miriam, are of Yahweh and of the truth.

Anyone who does not confess: does not say the same thing, refuses, denies, does not declare openly and voluntarily, and does not praise and celebrate, that Yahshua's very existence began or originated in the flesh is not of Yahweh.

Those who preach the doctrine of a pre-existent savior, most assuredly are proclaiming another Savior, not the one proclaimed through the Holy Scriptures. Therefore, they are anti-Messiah, just as I Yahchanan says.

I Yahchanan 4:3—
And every spirit that does not confess that Yahshua Messiah started in the flesh is not of Yahweh. So this is the spirit of the anti-Messiah which you have heard was coming , and is now already in the world.


The entire Document is a mere 23 pages, yet I have challenged those that challenge me, to find the eual or better, or challenge the Document intellectually.

They have refused.

More Truth:

The Premis of the Book of Yahweh is to Depaganize a Human being.

Anytime a 'Teacher' brings forth a Non Torah Conscious and Observant Yahshua Messiah, they are offering a False Messiah, an Anti-Messiah/christ. FACT

I challenge all the Pagans here and eleswhere to dispute any of the information in the above Documents.

Kind Regards :)

[rapunzel]

Snoops, you've mentioned the "Pagan Trinity" a few times. Which Pagan religion do you believe the Trinity came from?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Snoops, you've mentioned the "Pagan Trinity" a few times. Which Pagan religion do you believe the Trinity came from?

I would say Babylonian, the Husband, Wife, Son.

Later in Egypt. Then Greek, Persian....

Pagan Trinities
Michael F Blume

http://mikeblume.com/pagantr.htm

Questionable Historical Development of the Doctrine of the Trinity
Michael F. Blume

http://mikeblume.com/origin.htm

The 'Point Is' the conclusive Evidence is always in Scripture, when Scripture talks about two Beings in Heaven being worshipped, It is Father Yahweh and Yahshua HaNazarene HaMessiah.

The Difference between Pagans and Yahwists are:

1: The Yahwist is Torah Conscious and Torah Observant; the Pagan is not. The Jews Talmudic and Other HumanTraditions have weakened their Position

An underlying obstacle for many christians and other Pagans is an unwarranted and unjustified Anti-Semitism.

Culturally inbred.

Survey any group of Christians as to what the Torah is, they will respond: either Gods Laws given to the Jews, or the Jews Laws.

The Scriptural Fact is: They are Yahwehs Laws, for All Humankind.

They do not observe or esteem YHWHs Laws, and this is perhaps their greatest Disconnect from Source.

Asto a Yahwist, they are considered Christo-Pagans, and the Majority of Jews would be considered Judeo-Pagan.
Embellishing themselves with Historically confirmed, Paganic Traditions.

Lots & Lots of them.

As I mentioned above, the Book of Yahweh is the Instruction Manual for a 'DePaganization Programme for Humans/Humankind'.

Right now it is Voluntary. :)

So...According to The Book of Yahweh/Bible; there are Two Paths.

Yahwehs Path; The Tree of Life, known as 'The Way'

And HaSatans World System; The Tree of the Knowledge of Righteousness and Evil, The Paganic Path.

Any proposed Doctrine or Tradition that is not in accord, conflicts with the Principles of the Torah and the Testimony may be considered 'Illegitimate'.

We must Test everything according to this Standard.

Kind Regards

This is an interesting look at the difference between Miricles and Magic:

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/mqx.html

Even reading the Summaries of each Essay is very enlightening.

Here is a very well thought out argument for the Trinity, by an RC, I believe.
i do not agree
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/trin01.html

Tanakh DATA

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/trin02.html

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

As a Pathfinder, it seems to me the Greatest aide to Book of Yahweh/Bible Study is Linguistics. When anyone is able to render a Biblical Definition of a Biblically Common Word, they can see the Path is 'Marked'.

When Yahwist and Pagan can agree, have an actual Consensus, of the Definitions of Certain often used Words in the Book of Yahweh, we begin singin' in Harmony, rather than Talkin' in Cacophony.

This is why Baselines and Benchmarks are your most useful Tools.

The words:

Righteous/ness

Sin

Iniquity and Law have an 'Absolute Benchmark.

They are all defined in Relation to the Laws of Yahweh.

So when you read and define Righteous in Genesis, it means the same in Revelation. Which is Behaviour and Intent in Harmony with Yahwehs Laws, 'Hitting the Mark'.

:)


All the Patriarchs, Prophets, Yahshua and the Circle of Twelve, and many more; Melek Tzadak (melchizedek) are Scripturally defined as Righteous peeps.

This is not the same as when 'Outlaw Bikers' use the term Righteous

Likewise Sin,,which is Transgressions of Yahwehs Laws, 'Missing the Mark' of Behaviour and/or Intent.

By understanding these few words, you can read from Genesis to Revelation with greater Clarity, as a Psalm says: 'Yahwehs Laws are a Lamp and Light unto my Feet'.

'The Way' may be said to be 'Illuminated', by Yahwehs Laws.

[kasalt]

This document, though presented numerous Times, has not brought forth an intellectual discussion.

This one Document dispels many of the Paganic Embellishments the Christians have taken on.

It is further supported by a 434 page book by HoY.

"Did Yahshua Messiah Pre-Exist?"

And this deals explicitly with the Paganic Embellishments of a Pre-Existent Messiah, The Trinity, and the Hellenic 'Logos'. These are some of the Embellishments that distance Christians from Yahweh. Also their Anti-Nomian(against YHWHS Laws) position. None of these positions are Scripturally supported.
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So Yahchanan wrote, under inspiration, not of a pre-existent God-savior, but of the wonderful Plan of Yahweh. The Anchor Bible, Ephesians 1-3, page 111, shows us from the Talmud that seven things were in Yahweh's mind, His Plan, from the beginning and this plan included the Savior.
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The entire Document is a mere 23 pages, yet I have challenged those that challenge me, to find the eual or better, or challenge the Document intellectually.

They have refused.
{...}
I challenge all the Pagans here and eleswhere to dispute any of the information in the above Documents.

I think I'll get you to dispute it instead. From one of your own posts earlier in this very thread, you wrote:

as to whether [Yahshua] Pre-existed with Yahweh, I am not 100%

You dare to challenge the rest of us to find fault with the supposedly flawless copy-and-paste material you offer us, and then you turn around and cast doubt upon it yourself. So you aren't sure as to whether Yahshua pre-existed with Yahweh, are you? Well, here are a few quotes from the 23-page document that you must have missed: One of the greatest pagan deceptions ever passed off to this world as truth by the Roman Catholic Church is that of a pre-existent God-savior...

The apostles taught that Yahshua was a mortal man, not a pre-existent God-savior.

So Yahchanan wrote, under inspiration, not of a pre-existent God-savior, but of the wonderful Plan of Yahweh.

It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior.

Some of those trying to support the deception of a pre-existent savior argue that Yahshua and Yahweh are the same being.

Yahshua died; Yahshua suffered death, proving by His dying that He was not an immortal, pre-existent Being.

To believe in a pre-existent savior is just as detrimental to our salvation as believing in a savior other than Yahshua Messiah.

As incredible as it may sound, the doctrine of a pre-existent savior was being taught even before Yahshua Messiah was born. This doctrine was condemned by the apostles. The apostles called those who taught it anti-Messiahs.

It is vital that we understand how important it is for us to believe in the Savior Who was promised by Yahweh, Who was conceived in His mother's womb Who was not pre-existent.

Those who preach the doctrine of a pre-existent savior, most assuredly are proclaiming another Savior, not the one proclaimed through the Holy Scriptures.
Okay, so Yahshua is absolutely, positively, 100% for certain, not pre-existent with Yahweh prior to his incarnation. Sounds like an open and shut case, right Snoops?

as to whether [Yahshua] Pre-existed with Yahweh, I am not 100%

:rolleyes:

[rapunzel]

I would say Babylonian, the Husband, Wife, Son.

Later in Egypt. Then Greek, Persian....

Pagan Trinities
Michael F Blume

http://mikeblume.com/pagantr.htm

Questionable Historical Development of the Doctrine of the Trinity
Michael F. Blume

http://mikeblume.com/origin.htm

The "Trinities" you are referring to are actually TRIADS.

By the way, Yahweh was a Canaanite god, one of the sons of the Father God El.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

The "Trinities" you are referring to are actually TRIADS.

By the way, Yahweh was a Canaanite god, one of the sons of the Father God El.

Source Please :)
Not quite rapunzel: When you survey ALL the relevant materiel, you will realise Yahweh and Yahshua are Two Distinct Beings. The canaanites refered to YHWH as El Elyon.

Yahweh stands in Judgement in the Assembly of the gods. Yahweh sentences some of them to death. It is never the other way round.

Read the ANE Literature.

Species Unique.

Check Here:http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/Psalm_82_overview.pdf

and here:http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/What%20is%20an%20Elohim.pdf


they are from here: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/

Also some excellent Modern summaries here:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gilgymess.html

again, at least read the summaries, many of you have taken on outdated materiel that is of dubious quality.

http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/PW02-06/plan.htm

Psalm 82:1-7—
1 Yahweh stands in the assembly of the gods (elohim), and He gives judgment among the gods (elohim)!

2 Yahweh says: How long will you defend the unjust, and show partiality to the sinners?

3 You should defend the weak and fatherless! You should maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed!

4 You should rescue the poor and needy, and deliver them from the hands of the wicked.

5 You know nothing, you understand nothing; you walk about in darkness, and all the foundations of the Earth are shaken because of you!

6 I have said: You are gods (elohim), you sons of the Most High;

7 And like Adam you will die. Just like all the other rulers, you will fall.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

I think I'll get you to dispute it instead. From one of your own posts earlier in this very thread, you wrote:
You dare to challenge the rest of us to find fault with the supposedly flawless copy-and-paste material you offer us, and then you turn around and cast doubt upon it yourself. So you aren't sure as to whether Yahshua pre-existed with Yahweh, are you? Well, here are a few quotes from the 23-page document that you must have missed:[INDENT] One of the greatest pagan deceptions ever passed off to this world as truth by the Roman Catholic Church is that of a pre-existent God-savior...

Okay, so Yahshua is absolutely, positively, 100% for certain, not pre-existent with Yahweh prior to his incarnation. Sounds like an open and shut case, right Snoops?

All your Horseshit & Gunsmoke aside, Most sane people work out, contemplate, precepts, concepts over prolonged periods of time, sometimes decades.
To say 90+% is something in this day and age, by challenging a 'Dispute', is quite 'Solid' I was inviting, inciting Intellectual Discourse, regretably all you provide is the above noted: Horseshit & Gunsmoke.

Not only did I link to the Source Document, I also provided a Link that is a High Quality Pro Trinity argument. Which I stated I disagreed with.

That is unbiased.

I presented two sides to the argument.

And I omitted nothing since I provided the Link to the original Source.

Not once can you produce a Historical Record of me 'Haunting' any xtian, hindu, Trinitarian, Marian, Luciferian, declaring you must believe something.

But the Fact remains: The Book of Yahweh is very specific about a great many things.

Read Michael S Heiser.

Also John P Meier

I think it's time to declare your position.

crypto xtian gnostic? :D

I am going back to linguistics, I do not have time for this nonsense.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Perspectives on Verse/s Analysis

PARDES
Literally:"Orchard

Peshat: Plain Meaning

Remez: Allusion to deeper meaning

Drush: Homiletic Explanation [Intellectual Discourse/Moral Theme/Subject

Sod: Esoteric Meaning


Typeology

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/typol.html


Typology was one of the MAJOR ways the NT authors 'looked at' OT history. And as often as they looked through typological eyes--they saw their promised Lord and Messiah foreshadowed.

What is "typology" and why is this an issue?

Typology is basically a way of looking at history--a way of interpreting history, esp. the history of the interaction between God and Israel. Goppelt says it best:

"Only historical facts--persons, actions, events, and institutions--are material for typological interpretation; words and narratives can be utilized only insofar as they deal with such matters. These things are to be interpreted typologically only if they are considered to be divinely ordained representations or types of future realities that will be even grater and more complete. (GT:17-18)


And the working definitions given by David L. Baker (in FISH: 327-328) are good summaries:
"A TYPE is a biblical event, person, or institution which serves as an example or pattern for other events, persons, or institutions;
. .
"TYPOLOGY is the study of types and the historical and theological correspondences between them; the basis of typology is God's consistent activity in the history of his chosen people.

It is important to note that the type/fulfillment (called the anti-type) involved two important notions: correspondence and increase or heightening. In other words, the fulfillment antitype must 'correspond' in some essential way with its type/prototype and the antitype must be some kind of intensification of and/or increase over original type. For example, if David is the 'type' and Messiah the 'antitype', it would be important for the Messiah to be "greater than" David. .(sounds like Mt 22.41-42!). If the EXODUS was the type and the Millennial Kingdom the antitype, it would be important for the Millennial Kingdom to surpass the Exodus in some way.

This makes typology distinctly different from prophecy per se. Prophecy is specifically VERBAL (although prophets could use "mini-types" as object lessons upon which to expound YHWH's message--cf. Jeremiah and the two basket of figs [24.1-10] or Ezekiel's 'model siege' [4.1ff]). Prophecy is a specifically 'cognitive message' given to a prophet, delivered in linguistic form to an audience. Types, on the other hand, have an independent character. So Eichrodt, in EOTH: 229:

One of the 'tip-offs' in a passage to the fact that the text has a typological dimension is the use of hyperbole--the literary use of overstatement for effect and emphasis.. Consider the two main passages that are supposed to represent a typological address to Satan (Ezek 28 and Is 14):


(Ezek 28:11ff) The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.'"
(Is 14:3ff) On the day the LORD gives you relief from suffering and turmoil and cruel bondage, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended! The LORD has broken the rod of the wicked, the scepter of the rulers, which in anger struck down peoples with unceasing blows, and in fury subdued nations with relentless aggression. All the lands are at rest and at peace; they break into singing. Even the pine trees and the cedars of Lebanon exult over you and say, "Now that you have been laid low, no woodsman comes to cut us down." 9The grave below is all astir to meet you at your coming; it rouses the spirits of the departed to greet you -- all those who were leaders in the world; it makes them rise from their thrones -- all those who were kings over the nations. They will all respond, they will say to you, "You also have become weak, as we are; you have become like us." All your pomp has been brought down to the grave, along with the noise of your harps; maggots are spread out beneath you and worms cover you. How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.

As indicated in the passages, BOTH passages are addressed to historical kings (one of Tyre, one of Babylon). There are numerous details in each passage that relate to obvious historical elements (e.g. trade, war, captives). But in each passage there are elements that SEEM to transcend what might meaningfully be said of kings (perhaps even of pompous ones!). In the Ezekiel passage, the reference to being in Eden, the anointed Cherub (n.b. this figure was the one represented over the mercy-seat!), the holy mount of God, etc. all point to a reality 'beyond/behind' the King of Tyre. To the original audience, it would PERHAPS have seemed like hyperbole (but the notion of solidarity may have made the communication more explicit in their minds). On the other hand, in the Isaiah passage, the possible hyperbolic sections (e.g. 'fallen from heaven', 'ascend to heaven') could easily have been ascribed to an arrogant king in the ANE. In this case the use of hyperbole was probably simply that--a literary overstatement to dramatize his arrogance. In the case of Tyre however, the overstatement WAY OVERSHOOTS the figure, and 'tips us off' that something is perhaps 'moving around behind the king of Tyre'--some super-human, malevolent intelligence.

This passage of Ezekiel is rendered with a much more concise Interpretation in the Book of Yahweh from HoY.

I have Typed it out in The Book of Yahweh Thread, I will seek it and bring it here. Very important info, and Mr. Miller himself senses a deeper meaning.


Isayah 14:12-14—
12 How you have fallen from heaven, O Hillel; Lucifer, Aphrodite, Venus, child of the light! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart; I will ascend above the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of Yahweh. I will sit in the highest place on the holy mountain of the congregation.
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high.

Yechetzqyah 28:2,6—
2 Son of man, say to that prince of Tyre; This is what Father Yahweh says: because your heart is lifted up, and you have said; I am a god (el); I sit in the seat of a god (el), in the midst of the seas—I (Yahweh) therefore say to you: Yet you are a created being, and not the Almighty, though you set your heart to be the Almighty.
6 Therefore, this is what Father Yahweh says: because you have set your heart to be a god (el);

[kasalt]

I presented two sides to the argument.

No, you presented one side to the argument (HoY's side). On the other side of the "argument", all you presented was your doubt and nothing more. An expression of doubt is not an argument. On what do you base your doubt of HoY's teaching on the non-preexistence of Jesus? If you doubt it, you must have some reason for doubting it.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

No, you presented one side to the argument (HoY's side). On the other side of the "argument", all you presented was your doubt and nothing more. An expression of doubt is not an argument. On what do you base your doubt of HoY's teaching on the non-preexistence of Jesus? If you doubt it, you must have some reason for doubting it.

YES!!! I presented Glenn Millers Arguments for the Trinity/Triad/Triune

Apparently you are not yet aware of Heissleburghs Error Theorem, the unknown unknowns, the Law of Unintended Consequences, that 'Nothing may be known for certain' etc.

I arrived at my percentage of doubt by Testing HoYs Data.

Due Diligence.

I am now Testing Glenn Millers Data. It is not looking very good.

Less than 5% credulity. I have noticed a poor 'Foundation' and very many Structural Flaws.

When I posted Mr. Millers Exegesis on the Mosaic Law; in Blue Ink, I noted that 'I was not in 100% agreement with the doco.

So what?

Who are you?

Mickey Mouse?

Minnie Mouse?

lol@u :D

My Personal Position:

Yahweh is the 'Self Existant' Source, from which everything else ensues.

Yahweh has many sons.

Yahweh has only one Begotten Son, Yahshua HaNazarene HaMessiah

Pre-Concieved, not Pre-Existant

Yahwehs Holy Spirit is Yahwehs Energy Force, His Power.

Yahwehs Holy Spirit is not a 'Person'.


A great deal of the confusion arises out of the degraded Translations People use.

EX:
Mark 12:35 'The Lord said to my Lord my God....'; is a quote from Psalm 110.

It should actually read: Yahweh said to my Ruler and King...

Alot gets lost in the Translations, and Trinitarians go to great contortions to use a verse like the one in Mark to claim Yahshua an equal god.

Christians need to refine their understanding of words like god/God.

El

Mighty Ones; Mighty Strength;

Baal; Lord, Master/Ruler/

Yahwehs Title is Abba/Father

I provided Hoys Document because you have not challenged it.

8 Times

The Trinity/Triad/Triune are Historically Pagan Concepts

The Pre-Existent Saviour/Messiah is an Historical Pagan Concept.


Here is a Document of a very high Probitive Value for Clarification.

http://yahweh.com/booklets/Whois/Whois.htm

Who IS Lord God?
Who IS Baal?

http://yahweh.com/gen1.html

http://yahweh.com/yahch1.html

Examine John 1:6

6: there was a man sent from Yahweh, whose name was Yahchanan

This does not mean John the Baptist Pre-Existed.

Also John 1-5 is misused, mistranslated to promote a Pre-Existant Messiah

[miracles]

YES!!! I presented Glenn Millers Arguments for the Trinity/Triad/Triune

Apparently you are not yet aware of Heissleburghs Error Theorem, the unknown unknowns, the Law of Unintended Consequences, that 'Nothing may be known for certain' etc.

I arrived at my percentage of doubt by Testing HoYs Data.

Due Diligence.

I am now Testing Glenn Millers Data. It is not looking very good.

Less than 5% credulity. I have noticed a poor 'Foundation' and very many Structural Flaws.

When I posted Mr. Millers Exegesis on the Mosaic Law; in Blue Ink, I noted that 'I was not in 100% agreement with the doco.

So what?

Who are you?

Mickey Mouse?

Minnie Mouse?

lol@u :D

My Personal Position:

Yahweh is the 'Self Existant' Source, from which everything else ensues.

Yahweh has many sons.

Yahweh has only one Begotten Son, Yahshua HaNazarene HaMessiah

Pre-Concieved, not Pre-Existant

Yahwehs Holy Spirit is Yahwehs Energy Force, His Power.

Yahwehs Holy Spirit is not a 'Person'.


A great deal of the confusion arises out of the degraded Translations People use.

EX:
Mark 12:35 'The Lord said to my Lord my God....'; is a quote from Psalm 110.

It should actually read: Yahweh said to my Ruler and King...

Alot gets lost in the Translations, and Trinitarians go to great contortions to use a verse like the one in Mark to claim Yahshua an equal god.

Christians need to refine their understanding of words like god/God.

El

Mighty Ones; Mighty Strength;

Baal; Lord, Master/Ruler/

Yahwehs Title is Abba/Father

I provided Hoys Document because you have not challenged it.

8 Times

The Trinity/Triad/Triune are Historically Pagan Concepts

The Pre-Existent Saviour/Messiah is an Historical Pagan Concept.


Here is a Document of a very high Probitive Value for Clarification.

http://yahweh.com/booklets/Whois/Whois.htm

Who IS Lord God?
Who IS Baal?

http://yahweh.com/gen1.html

http://yahweh.com/yahch1.html

Examine John 1:6

6: there was a man sent from Yahweh, whose name was Yahchanan

This does not mean John the Baptist Pre-Existed.

Also John 1-5 is misused, mistranslated to promote a Pre-Existant Messiah
IS yawhism a new word for Judeaism, becuase what you are saying is basically the Jewish faith. In which case I would say, Jews need to read the New Testament. :D

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IS yawhism a new word for Judeaism, becuase what you are saying is basically the Jewish faith. In which case I would say, Jews need to read the New Testament. :D

Not at all.

This is the Faith of Abel, Yahwehs First Righteous Priest, Enoch, Noah, Shem/Melchizedek, Abraham, Isaac, and on and on, taught to Moses, and on and on....John the Baptist, Yahshua and the Circle of Twelve.

As I have Posted: Judaism and Christianity are Embellished Yahwism.

Judaism and Christianity ADD Human Laws and Traditions that contradict Yahwehs Sacred Scripture.

This is an easily proven Fact.

The Data that I am providing through the Modality of this Particular Locus has an intended Intercept Trajectory with the Consciousness of the Autochthonous Peeps who are aware there is a peculiar Resonance from the Book of Yahweh.

The Data provided is intended to 'Inspire' their understanding of this most amazing Book.

Correct Names and Titles

Proper Definition of Important Words.


I am currently Auditing Mr. Millers argument for the 'Trinity'.

And I have to say; if Mr. Miller can't convince me, I doubt anyone can.

I have read the First Four Essays so far, and I believe I can deliver a stronger argument against a 'Trinity'.

Surveying his Data, I notice the Translation he uses is very, very deficient. Like a few examples above.

Due to a deficient Translation, erroneous conclusions will be developed.

Add to this the Paganic Influences, and The Holy Scripture, The Word of Yahweh 'Morphs' into a Blase, Colourless, Amorpheous, 'Free For All'.

Cafeteria Christianity, Buffetarianism; A little of this, a little of that, none of that.

Allegorically there several ways to Pose what has occurred.

Consider a Fine Single Malt Scotch

This is Yahwism

Judaism pours out alot of the scotch and add soda and water.

Christianity pours out even more scotch and adds more water and soda.


The End result is both Judaism and Christianity are 'Watered Down' variations of Yahwism

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History:

Seven Covenants Abba Yahweh has made with representatives of Humankind:

1: Noahic

2: Abrahamic

3: Isaacic

4: Jacobic (three time renewal of same covenant)

5: Mosaic

6: Davidic

7: Messianic which is the Renewed

Covenant, The Brit Chadasha


None of the Covenant replace any of the forgoing Covenants, rather, they Amplify and Enhance.

Yahwehs Plan was. is and will be: Evolutionary and Progressive

Check Isayah 11:12-13 for Data on the simultaneous Mass Awakening-Quickening'

Yes! many Jews need to embrace Yahshua haNazarene haMessiah, likewise, the Christians are required to shed their Pagan Predilections, Practices and Processes.

The Jews will never accept the Hellenized, Pagan Jesus Christ that is the Popular Model, at this time.

Until the Quickeneing occurs, it seems to me unlikely the Christians can/will understand, and repent and change, using their own judgement.

Can you see the Confusion that arises because christians insist upon using Paganic Titles and Names for Abba Yahweh and Yahshua Messiah..

Changing Yahwehs Sabbaths and Holy Days.

Miracles, I have Posted many times the Scriptural Truth: The Laws, Sabbaths, Holy Days are Yahwehs, this is what Yahshua and the Circle of Twelve taught.

Culturally Inbred Anti Semitism is a Stumbling Block for many Gentiles.

It is Time ALL Christians begin 'Hitting the Mark' of the Third Commandment: Do not misuse Yahwehs Name. Not using it is a misuse.

Also recognize that Yahwehs Weekly Sabbath is Friday Sundown to Saturday Sundown.

This is an Eternal Sign

Yahshua and the Circle of Twelve would go to the Synagogue(place to study the Word of Yahweh) on the Sabbath and Read and Teach. :)

They were Jews, but they were Yahwists, known as 'The Way', they were also referred to as the Nazarenes.

The Pure Worship/Service to Abba Yahweh.

Time for Christians to 'Wake Up'