Writing off your student loan?

[baxter]

Hey all,

I'm kind of a beginner when it comes to the freeman movement, although I have followed John Harris, the Anti-Terrorist and recently I watched the "Think Free : Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception" seminar by Robert Menard.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7040453665540929835 1hr 8m 18s into the video the section starts for anyone wanting to watch.

One thing that hit me at the end of this presentation was his chapter on student loans and how to write them off. Now although he was applying his methods to Canada I wondered if anyone had been through the process in the UK and what results they had managed to achieve.

The basics of the method was writing off your student loans by off setting the amount owed with your birth certificate registration number which has been floated as a bond on foreign markets since you have been born. This bond has been earning money each year which usually goes directly to your local authority to pay for various things. This is because originally, authority was passed from you to the government officials when you were registered at birth.

So in short I was wondering how fellow students, graduates have fared claiming back what is rightly theirs after it was taken away :)

I hope to proceed down this route in a year or so after I have all the necessary and relevant advise and information.

Thanks in advance for any comments, anecdotes and advice :D

Peace.

[the worm that turned]

Hey all,

I'm kind of a beginner when it comes to the freeman movement, although I have followed John Harris, the Anti-Terrorist and recently I watched the "Think Free : Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception" seminar by Robert Menard.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7040453665540929835 1hr 8m 18s into the video the section starts for anyone wanting to watch.

One thing that hit me at the end of this presentation was his chapter on student loans and how to write them off. Now although he was applying his methods to Canada I wondered if anyone had been through the process in the UK and what results they had managed to achieve.

The basics of the method was writing off your student loans by off setting the amount owed with your birth certificate registration number which has been floated as a bond on foreign markets since you have been born. This bond has been earning money each year which usually goes directly to your local authority to pay for various things. This is because originally, authority was passed from you to the government officials when you were registered at birth.

So in short I was wondering how fellow students, graduates have fared claiming back what is rightly theirs after it was taken away :)

I hope to proceed down this route in a year or so after I have all the necessary and relevant advise and information.

Thanks in advance for any comments, anecdotes and advice :D

Peace.

Have you tried a forum search? There is a lot of information on here about debts but I guess a couple of points to consider are whether a true contract exists between you and the creditor, i.e. have they provided real consideration (see my Mortgages - Where is the consideration? thread as fellow posters have made some great contributions there), also you may want to consider analysing the contract with a fine tooth comb for any errors. Try the FMOTL and TPUC websites too :) Good luck

[wakeupworld]

[QUOTE=baxter;1215732]Hey all,

I'm kind of a beginner when it comes to the freeman movement, although I have followed John Harris, the Anti-Terrorist and recently I watched the "Think Free : Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception" seminar by Robert Menard.

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The basics of the method was writing off your student loans by off setting the amount owed with your birth certificate registration number which has been floated as a bond on foreign markets since you have been born. This bond has been earning money each year which usually goes directly to your local authority to pay for various things. This is because originally, authority was passed from you to the government officials when you were registered at birth.



Wish I could help but not learnt enough yet on FOTL. I was interested in your comments re the bond being floated on the market which has been earning money since our birth. This then is what Mary Elizabeth Croft means when she says, "Everything has been paid for". ???

[baxter]

[QUOTE=baxter;1215732]Hey all,

I'm kind of a beginner when it comes to the freeman movement, although I have followed John Harris, the Anti-Terrorist and recently I watched the "Think Free : Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception" seminar by Robert Menard.

[

The basics of the method was writing off your student loans by off setting the amount owed with your birth certificate registration number which has been floated as a bond on foreign markets since you have been born. This bond has been earning money each year which usually goes directly to your local authority to pay for various things. This is because originally, authority was passed from you to the government officials when you were registered at birth.



Wish I could help but not learnt enough yet on FOTL. I was interested in your comments re the bond being floated on the market which has been earning money since our birth. This then is what Mary Elizabeth Croft means when she says, "Everything has been paid for". ???

Sorry wakeupworld but I have yet to read up on Mary Croft (Have her e-book but need to make the time to read it). If you want to give the video I posted a look at the section I said, I'm sure you will get a better grasp from the horse's mouth. :)

[yozhik]

Folks I don't want to be the doom merchant, but I am sensing very little comprehension of bonds, the financial markets and derivatives.

I am repeatedly reading things like; "they create a bond from my birth certificate and then it earns money on the markets ... so now I'm going to claim that bond and that money that they have been accumulating ..."

This is a very simplified view of the way financial markets operate and is riddled with errors.

Has anyone read about bonds or derivatives?
Did anyone research how they work?
What is the agreement between the parties: i.e the bond issuer and the bond purchaser?
The terms?
How does it "make money"?

From the language being used and the way in which it is being phrased; I'm not sure even this fundamental knowledge has been accumulated or researched.

How can we expect to control "our bond account" if we don't even have the slightest notion of how bonds and the bond market even functions?
Wouldn't common sense suggest that if you are looking at being the trustee for a bond account or claiming a bond that has been issued on the back of a collateralised debt obligation that you are now taking a lien position over, the FIRST thing to do on your check list would be to study what a bond is? What a CDO is? How lien's work? What is a security? How is it collateralised?

It's just a question ...

[grenadene]

My student loans were sold by the 'Student Loans Company' to a variety of different crumby companies without my knowledge. So far I've kept them at bay by repeatedly asking for a copy of my agreement with them, which of course they can't supply because it doesn't exist.

The staff at these place are soooo unbelievably rude and obnoxious, it's become quite a pleasure giving them the run around. I particularly like returning the questions they ask me. I'm not sure how technically correct I'm being.... but it sure is fun :)

[rosix]

you don't need to set-off pretty much any loan in the UK.. just ask them to provide the original note as at least one of the conditions of your payment.

The whole bond business is an intricate spiderweb inside a bottle inside another bottle inside your ass. No matter what you read and where you read it, it's not going to be easy, not by a long shot - you're gonna have to be prepared to potentially face some pretty serious charges in court, perhaps fraud charges carrying several years in prison as maximum sentence (and believe you me, anyone trying out this sorta stuff will be sought to be made an example of at all costs). This week I've got a trader checking out a few bonds for me and I might come back with any details I get from the hits (ie. if the bond was issued at the time of my birth, or rather, as I'm expecting, if the bond was issued at the time of my completing the National Insurance process)

[yozhik]

This week I've got a trader checking out a few bonds for me and I might come back with any details I get from the hits (ie. if the bond was issued at the time of my birth, or rather, as I'm expecting, if the bond was issued at the time of my completing the National Insurance process)

I am aware of this already being done by some experienced traders.
They found 7 bonds issued with a total value in excess of £30 Billion, on some one by the age of 35.

This is hearsay, of course, but I have no reason to doubt the source.

Does this mean there is an "account" with £30 Billion sitting in it ready to be claimed?
No ... of course it doesn't.
It means that bonds totalling this amount have been issued and exist on the international market.
As I have already posted in this thread, people need to research what bonds are, how they are created rather than believing that they are then placed into an account, awaiting a claim.
That's similar to arguing 1 + 1 = 5.

[rob menard]

That's similar to arguing 1 + 1 = 5.

True for VERY VERY large '1's, or conversely, VERY VERY tiny '5's.
:D

[rosix]

I am aware of this already being done by some experienced traders.
They found 7 bonds issued with a total value in excess of £30 Billion, on some one by the age of 35.

This is hearsay, of course, but I have no reason to doubt the source.

Does this mean there is an "account" with £30 Billion sitting in it ready to be claimed?
No ... of course it doesn't.
It means that bonds totalling this amount have been issued and exist on the international market.
As I have already posted in this thread, people need to research what bonds are, how they are created rather than believing that they are then placed into an account, awaiting a claim.
That's similar to arguing 1 + 1 = 5.

yes notice I didn't mention the amount I expected because above all it is currently my judgment that the "value" of these bounds is of no immediate relation to any possible value they could have for me. The issue of these bonds even existing is an issue to some though yo, though you and I personally might 'accept' that they exist, I know of several extreme skeptics - especially people who work for banks and others who consider themselves experts in banking :)

[yozhik]

I know of several extreme skeptics - especially people who work for banks [...] who consider themselves experts in banking :)

:D

Nice.

[baxter]

Hmm i was referring to a potential bond that is related to the registration number on the back of your birth certificate.

Although after hearing back from various people here and other forums it appears the bond route is a tricky bastard. There is even some evidence here that the number doesnt lead to a bond or that some clever clogs in govt have hidden it well:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/birth_certificate_bond?unfold=1

Probably better just to ask for the original BILL relating to a real value of the loan which they wont be able to supply as the govt sold the debt to a third party, the student loans company. If they can't produce a real 'BILL', THERE'S NO DEBT!

Or another person who seemed to make progress (as no news is good news) is by returning all letters, by putting a white label over your details and at a 45 degree with red pen write 'Refused for Cause, NO CONTRACT, Return to sender'! http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=8455&start=10

I hope we can continue this discussion and further research this matter, as there is very little about the matter regarding the UK but loads on canada.

Peace.

[yozhik]

Hmm i was referring to a potential bond that is related to the registration number on the back of your birth certificate.

Although after hearing back from various people here and other forums it appears the bond route is a tricky bastard. There is even some evidence here that the number doesnt lead to a bond or that some clever clogs in govt have hidden it well:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/birth_certificate_bond?unfold=1


Yes and no.

From the link you have supplied comes the following response;
I can confirm that there is no bond, gilt or suchlike attached to a
birth registration or birth certificate as part of the registration
process.
Absolutely correct.
There is no bond, gilt or suchlike attached to the BC "as part of the registration process".
The registration process merely creates the security; the collateral.
The bond is created with the subsequent trading of that security.

It would be akin to stating;
There was no calorie intake in the baking process.
The calorie intake occurs when the cake is eaten; not when it is baked.
:rolleyes:

[rosix]

if we take a look at the words themselves, it often tells us a lot (the true meaning of words is one of the subjects that has captivated me the most recently)

BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Birth comes from berth. Here is 'berth' defined by Dictionary.com:

berth (bûrth)
n.

1. Sufficient space for a ship to maneuver; sea room: kept a clear berth of the reefs.
2. A space for a ship to dock or anchor: a steamship moored to its berth at the pier.

Certificate taken from the "Legal Dictionary" definition from Dictionary.com (Dictionary.com again chosen for convenience)

Main Entry: cer·tif·i·cate
Pronunciation: s&r-'ti-fi-k&t
Function: noun

3 : a document that is proof of ownership or indebtedness

So what we have is that BIRTH CERTIFICATE = DOCUMENTED PROOF OF A DOCKED VESSEL.

If I had a vessel docked at say a wharf or pier, I could issue a bond on a proof of the vessel, as it is much easier for that bond to be traded than it is for the physical vessel to be traded (the same with paper money 20 pounds sterling silver being far more convenient than trading the 20 pounds of sterling silver physically)



This is the first time I've gone about trying to write this up, I think I've gotten everything more or less right despite trying to make it as simple as possible.

[rosix]

Furthermore, the Birth Certificate is inherently a fraud of sorts and this is not a coincidence and/or by mistake. I highly recommend Jordan Maxwell's material as it is very different from a lot of material I had come across prior to his - definitely worthy of anyone's attention despite his perhaps questionably past, motives and integrity otherwise.

[yozhik]

if we take a look at the words themselves, it often tells us a lot (the true meaning of words is one of the subjects that has captivated me the most recently)

BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Birth comes from berth.

Everything you post is based in this premise.
I have heard this and read it often ... but have not seen or heard any definitive proof that "birth = berth".

According to etymology.com;

birth
c.1230, from O.N. *byrðr, which replaced O.E. gebyrd "birth," from P.Gmc. *gaburthis (cf. Ger. geburt, Goth. gabaurþs), from PIE *bhrto pp. of base *bher- "to bear" (cf. Skt. bhrtih "a bringing, maintenance," L. fors, gen. fortis "chance;" see bear (v.)). Suffix -th is for "process" (as in bath, death). Meaning "parentage, lineage, extraction" is from c.1240. Birthday is c.1000; birthnight is 1628; birthplace is from 1607; birthright is 1535. Birth control first attested 1914. Birthday suit first attested 1730s, but probably much older.

berth
1622, "convenient sea room" (both for ships and sailors), of uncertain origin, probably related to bear (v). Original sense is preserved in phrase to give (something or someone) wide berth. Meaning "place on a ship to stow chests, room for sailors" is from 1706; extended to non-nautical situations 1778.

That was just a very quick 2 minute search - so absolutely not a definitive piece of work ... :)

But hopefully, my point is made.
For this [FOTL] to be of any long lasting value, we need to research, research, research and have citations and source listing for EVERYTHING.

[yozhik]

OK ... a little more research suggests [strongly] that "berth" is derived from "to bear" and refers to the mother, not the "birth".

So, for the "birth" the mother is the "berth".

Interesting ... :)

[burnttoast]

Hmm i was referring to a potential bond that is related to the registration number on the back of your birth certificate.

Although after hearing back from various people here and other forums it appears the bond route is a tricky bastard. There is even some evidence here that the number doesnt lead to a bond or that some clever clogs in govt have hidden it well:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/birth_certificate_bond?unfold=1

Probably better just to ask for the original BILL relating to a real value of the loan which they wont be able to supply as the govt sold the debt to a third party, the student loans company. If they can't produce a real 'BILL', THERE'S NO DEBT!

Or another person who seemed to make progress (as no news is good news) is by returning all letters, by putting a white label over your details and at a 45 degree with red pen write 'Refused for Cause, NO CONTRACT, Return to sender'! http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=8455&start=10

I hope we can continue this discussion and further research this matter, as there is very little about the matter regarding the UK but loads on canada.

Peace.

Here is a possible remedy in relation to the UK which Canada is privy to as well....taken from thinkfree.ca (excellent resource site from fellow DI member Rob M)

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966
entry into force 3 January 1976, in accordance with article 27
Article 13
1. The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right of everyone to education. They agree that education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and the sense of its dignity, and shall strengthen the respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. They further agree that education shall enable all persons to participate effectively in a free society, promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations and all racial, ethnic or religious groups, and further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
2. The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize that, with a view to achieving the full realization of this right:
(a) Primary education shall be compulsory and available free to all;
(b) Secondary education in its different forms, including technical and vocational secondary education, shall be made generally available and accessible to all by every appropriate means, and in particular by the progressive introduction of free education;
(c) Higher education shall be made equally accessible to all, on the basis of capacity, by every appropriate means, and in particular by the progressive introduction of free education;
(d) Fundamental education shall be encouraged or intensified as far as possible for those persons who have not received or completed the whole period of their primary education;
(e) The development of a system of schools at all levels shall be actively pursued, an adequate fellowship system shall be established, and the material conditions of teaching staff shall be continuously improved.
3. The States Parties to the present Covenant undertake to have respect for the liberty of parents and, when applicable, legal guardians to choose for their children schools, other than those established by the public authorities, which conform to such minimum educational standards as may be laid down or approved by the State and to ensure the religious and moral education of their children in conformity with their own convictions.
4. No part of this article shall be construed so as to interfere with the liberty of individuals and bodies to establish and direct educational institutions, subject always to the observance of the principles set forth in paragraph I of this article and to the requirement that the education given in such institutions shall conform to such minimum standards as may be laid down by the State.
Article 28
The provisions of the present Covenant shall extend to all parts of federal States without any limitations or exceptions.

Here's a link to actual covenant copy: http://www.taiwandocuments.org/un2200aa-XXI.htm

The UK is apart of the UN...so this treaty applies....it's about compelling your PUBLIC officials to follow suit that is the next hurdle to jump over....if you believe..it can be done.

This is just one remedy...there are others.

Peace

[baxter]

Thanks burnttoast, yes I have been looking into his work recently. I shall check out the information you have quoted :)

[danny_belfast]

is there any evidence that a UK student loan has been off-set in the same way that the Canadian Student loans seem to have been?

[Ian2day]

I do know of an accountant which has said, that they found their berth with an employer. A nod to an inside joke on us lot, no doubt.

[diamond dogs]

I know someone that took out a mature student loan on the assumption it was to be 'written off' when he reached 50 (1996). When the time came (he had deferred payment on the assumption it would be written off) they had 'changed the terms and conditions' now 60 but when he reaches 60 it will be 65 etc.

I beleive the loan has been sold on. I have asked him to scrutinise the signed contract but he would like to know if there are companies, similar to credit card debts written off, that might be able to help as he is unwilling to have baillifs at his door and would pay it off?