The Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project

[analog]

Is the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project the end-all anti-dote to the currupt global corporate system?.

i.e. Getting rid of Governments, Relgions, Money, Law and Social Stratification?.

[phemohilia]

No, from what I can gather it's just another not-so-cleverly disguised part of the problem....

[kappy0405]

Is the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project the end-all anti-dote to the currupt global corporate system?.

i.e. Getting rid of Governments, Relgions, Money, Law and Social Stratification?.

see, this is why I'm not 100% sold on the 'zeitgeist=illuminati ploy' theories. How can a system completely void of the NWO be encouraged by the guys behind the NWO? Why?

I mean.. The Venus Project IS a bit socialist in nature and that could create an environment catering to a complete takeover if the people aren't careful.. but I find that doubtful. If we're ever to the point where a society like that could function, I have high doubts that the majority of people will just fold in the face of an illuminati resurgence.

All in all, I'm in support of the project, even if only because it has gotten mass amounts of people off their arses to let their voices be heard. We need many communities to follow suit with their own ideas if we're seriously expecting to stop the NWO.

[nayan]

I'm not too sure about this venus project, haven't heard anything about it in quite a while. How can you create a project like this behind the NWO at this time?

Anyways, i must say that the ending of the Zeitgeist 1 and 2 is absolute perfection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t89_7rv7PM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c_tJuqnp7U

[analog]

Zietgeist seems to be very compatible with what David Ickes says, rejecting all Relgions, Governments etc..

fosucing on raising consiuosness.

[solarwindspirit]

Zietgeist seems to be very compatible with what David Ickes says, rejecting all Relgions, Governments etc..

fosucing on raising consiuosness.

Don't be fooled. . .they pride themselve in being 'social engineers'

[mightiswrong]

Is the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project the end-all anti-dote to the currupt global corporate system?.

i.e. Getting rid of Governments, Relgions, Money, Law and Social Stratification?.

No. It doesn't offer any practical solutions. It is just a sandbox offering hope that technology can save the day. Technology is NOT the solution. Plants ARE and they are not even mentioned in those films:

When I was just a little girl, I used to collect acorns by the boxfull as they fell in the fall. I didn’t know why. They just felt nice in the hand and somehow a big bunch of them felt satisfying. Could that be because somewhere in my ancestors’ time, acorns were a very important food? Native Americans all across oak-growing North and South America harvested acorns, which were nearly as important a food as corn or beans. Such tribes as the Cherokee, Apache, Pima, and Ojibwa routinely harvested and used the acorn. These Indian gatherers taught early settlers how to harvest and use acorns in their cooking, as they did corn and other traditional foods. Even today, many Indians gather acorns, both to use themselves and to sell in Mexican markets.

And those bright, shining round acorns are very good for you, besides tasting great.
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/clay79.html

The space of love

For his 5th birthday he was given
A baby cherry tree
His very own to plant
Where he can be free to rant
This little tree was so delicate and
Would need a good deal of love and
Attention in order for it to one day grow.
It was all up to him to ensure the little tree
to be big and strong
that inspires natures song

And that little tree worked very hard
To be the best tree it could
It wanted so bad to impress the boy
Through the gesture of beauty the tree
Gave birth to a flower bud
The boy was so happy he kissed the little tree
And with that birthed the space of love
A place by where he could always go
When he felt low
To rekindle his joy glow

As time went by the that cherry tree
Became very impressive in height and flowers
She even started to make cherries for her precious boy
She would hope that her cherries would meet his lips
And she could some how return the kiss.
The little tree had fallen in love with her admirer
With out him she would not be here
Oh sure she might have ended up growing somewhere else
But would they have taken care of her and kissed her
Like her little care taker.
That embodied innocent love
What a sweet love he possessed
Her cherries would be just as sweet she confirmed to herself
She worked hard for his kind words and appreciation
For the way his hands gently stroked the leaves
She was truly alive because he acknowledged her existence.

The little boy grew into a big boy and went back to his cherry tree
He had a bag of cherries he bought from the store in hand
I love that color of blossoms he said
My what a becoming color
Oh what is this cherries for me only three well I will let them be
Then he left and went into the house
The cherry tried cried tears of sap, she felt rejected
What did I do wrong she thought
How could he reject my fruit my love
And instead chose to eat the fruit of a tree he
Has never spoke to
That other tree could not possibly love him as much as she did.
Her sap tears magical and out of them came a fairy, it was her
guardian fairy
I want to die she said call a great flame to consume me now
Or the wind to rip me out of my roots
The guardian fairy said your love is pure true love nothing will
end that my dear
I come to tell you we have heard your hearts desire to return his
kiss back to him
So he may know how much you love and appreciate him.
With that the fairy turned into a beautiful maiden and went and
found the boy
Fishing by the creek on his own
She told the boy all about the cherry trees wish
And said you I must kiss for her, she will feel it through me
She leaned forward and gave the most unique soft sweetest kiss he ever had
Do you know how sad she was when your rejected her and her gift of
her cherries?
Oh how bad she wanted you to take and enjoy her cherries
The very same place you birthed the love space
A place by where you could always go
When you felt low
To rekindle your joy glow
http://www.jessicamystic.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=635:the-space-of-love&catid=15:latest&Itemid=34

[kallista]

Key word VENUS.

[bornfree]

keyword venus = venus, florida where jaque fresco & roxanne meadows have lived for some decades now

http://journeytovenus.com/

Plants not mentioned = global survey of the earths resources includes all finite resources. Of course plants are a part of that survey. They give us the oxygen required to breath.

Havent heard anything about venus project for a while?

The UK project are busy creating a CGI movie atm & jaque & roxanne are coming to london on the 3rd of october.

http://www.theukproject.com/

http://www.theukproject.com/TVPLondon.html

[mightiswrong]

Oxygen is ofcourse essential but plants also give us food and food for animals and attract water to an area. They also are concious and have feelings and are able to help us feel happy and well. Hydroponics mentioned on the website you link to is not particularly beneficial to Man since it requires vast amounts of unnecessecary labour to produce synthetic fertilisers and to transport them and check the concentrations in the solution, and these need to be replaced regularly. They also produce poor quality, tastelss foods that are made out of synthetic chemicals and are only of use in densely populated, noisy and polluted cities that are harmful to Man. It is far better to have permaculture gardens that produce much higher yields and require much less work and produce much better tasting, healthier, more nutritious foods as well as a loving environment in which people can live. Auto abundant gardens are the ideal environment for children to play in and learn from plants and animals rather than harmful video games that encourage children to be violent and competative. Cities are very bad for children as they are stuck indoors all day and unable to communicate with living, loving creatures.

I am glad to see the information about permaculture on the UK venus project website but since it directly contradicts the arguments made about hydroponics it would appear that one or more flawed premises must exist.

[electron2012]

I think the venus project is amazing. Everything about it makes the most sense to me in a new advanced society where humans are put first. It's also the perfect solution to the end of human slavery. The outcome of such a project rolled out across the world is beyond the comprehension of most people.

[a fine naked fellow]

I don’t understand why people argue so vehemently against this. They want to free up the lives and minds of us worker drones, eliminate dependency on a fake money system , and directly take advantage of the earth’s (pollution free) recourses, to wit there is enough for all. Its a logical progression and yet many still think its another new world order plot. But then I’m of the opinion that most wouldn’t know freedom if it bit them on the ass and that we argue for our limitations.

[ustane]

I don’t understand why people argue so vehemently against this. They want to free up the lives and minds of us worker drones, eliminate dependency on a fake money system , and directly take advantage of the earth’s (pollution free) recourses, to wit there is enough for all. Its a logical progression and yet many still think its another new world order plot. But then I’m of the opinion that most wouldn’t know freedom if it bit them on the ass and that we argue for our limitations.

Agree entirely

[nayan]

I don’t understand why people argue so vehemently against this. They want to free up the lives and minds of us worker drones, eliminate dependency on a fake money system , and directly take advantage of the earth’s (pollution free) recourses, to wit there is enough for all. Its a logical progression and yet many still think its another new world order plot. But then I’m of the opinion that most wouldn’t know freedom if it bit them on the ass and that we argue for our limitations.

I know, but do you think its possible to build such a thing behind the NWO at the time?

[dawnismygoddess]

no, from what i can gather it's just another not-so-cleverly disguised part of the problem....

+100

[a fine naked fellow]

I know, but do you think its possible to build such a thing behind the NWO at the time?

I say yes and I say yes again. We can absolutely salvage our planet, turn things around and be free. To believe otherwise is to give over to the demons of lethargy and apathy. Look, there is no such thing as “behind the new world order.” We must work in the light and consciously move towards our evolution. The globalist rein us in because we are too busy fighting each other to see what is going on. Paranoia and cynicism are very poor bed mates and will a cripple a soul, just like it cripples the world.

[dalsar]

Wouldn’t it be funny if they are building the venus project homes + cities slowly, and that is what the concentration camps are for, for the people to live in while they build these cities (because in order to rebuild cities the people have to live somewhere in the meantime as their homes get destructed, so they built the concentration camps as temporary homes)

[analog]

Some people say that the colapse Monetery System is inevitable becuese of Technology and the only way to prevent the colapse would be to stifle Technologicle progress.

If you look over the last 100 years or so, Automation has slowly taken over the labour market, companies seem to either want to Automate of move overseas for cheap labour.
When i becomes cheaper to Automate that to higher workers in every sector people will have not purchasing power therefore colapse.

I can see a few ways that the Government could suggest getting around this.

mandating that everyone work doing something for a few hours a week in order to recieve an Income?.

mandating that people stay in Education for longer?

Some form of National Service?

I doubt any of the above a very likely

[grenadene]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnK5mBCFTMg&feature=channel_page


I like it....:)

[chris]

All the detractors of the Venus Project are not sophisticated enough to understand how this can happen.

Detractors say that we are superficial, focussed on the endresult and avoiding the details about how we get there.

This is not true, look at this picture of our future world (notice how much bigger the more modern buildings are):

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/garcz004/architecture/techno-utopia.jpg

Detractors say the technology talked about in the Venus Project is just as accessable in other systems.

Again this is pure greed and selfishness on their part. Just look at how the advanced our transportation system will be (this is how people will get to work in the Venus Project):

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1412198/2/istockphoto_1412198_roller_coaster.jpg

Detractors say we can't pull the will power of humanity into a singular force

This again is sheer desparation on their part, with the help of our peacebots we will keep humanity in a constant state of content:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-4/988591/Robot1(Medium).jpg

Detractors say something that requires re-education over reasonable debate can't be taken seriously.

To this we say, you need re-educating:

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2008/03/mind-control.jpg

Detractors say the definition of 'Resources' isn't bound by minerals and production but extends far more greatly to creativity and innovation which can't be quantified and therefore allocated.

To this we say, check out everyones future wife:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/82360944_a83f4f076a_o.jpg

I'm so happy to clear these things up for you people. There's a lot of misinformation going around concerning the Venus Project. The key is to know that everyone who questions the Venus Project is inferior and simply can't understand something so wonderful.

[grenadene]

Hello Chris my old bean, I was expecting you :D

Love ya x

[ustane]

I think it is. It's brilliant, it encapsulates everything

[broadperspective]

To be entirely free from a system, each human being needs to possess to means to be free individually.

Therefore a reasonable sized land portion must be privately owned by each one, where they can do as they wish as as long as they don't enfringe in other people's ability to do the same.

Each human needs to be free from any energy dependency, therefore the need to owe to something or someone for their energy source to light, heat and make objects work at will cannot exist....

Each human also needs to be able to grow food on their own without depending on others to get it from. They also need an independent water source.

When those things are done, the foundation is set for a new society of service to others...

BUT..... let's remember that to build and construct whatever, people need to work, therefore its not logical for Zeitgeist to mention that no one needs to work and technology takes over.... There will always be someone responsible for something, therefore work is required....and who would work for free for the rest of society ?

Products and services will still be exchanged, the tool used to exchange these products and services remains to be discussed.......

[chris]

BUT..... let's remember that to build and construct whatever, people need to work, therefore its not logical for Zeitgeist to mention that no one needs to work and technology takes over.... There will always be someone responsible for something, therefore work is required....and who would work for free for the rest of society ?

In the Venus Project, everyone will be 'Technicians' that means no one will be lazy, if they see their friends slacking off, they will say "Right; that's it! If your not going to do it, then I'm going to do it for you! Hand me the freaking spanner."

Products and services will still be exchanged, the tool used to exchange these products and services remains to be discussed.......

The Venus Project is a resource based economy, the tools will be melted down and re-allocated by supercomputers.

[broadperspective]

In the Venus Project, everyone will be 'Technicians' that means no one will be lazy, if they see their friends slacking off, they will say "Right; that's it! If your not going to do it, then I'm going to do it for you! Hand me the freaking spanner."



The Venus Project is a resource based economy, the tools will be melted down and re-allocated by supercomputers.

So is there a form of control as to what people will be and become, work wise....?

[broadperspective]

The Venus Project is a resource based economy, the tools will be melted down and re-allocated by supercomputers.

In tool, I hope you understood I was referring to a way of exchanging products and services (money, coins, etc...)

So how do super computers re-allocate ? How is it decided who gets what ?

[broadperspective]

I personally don't think money is a problem in a free and open society but for it to be effective, it simply needs to be put into circulation by institutions that belong to all the people of a nation.

Interest cannot exist, therefore there can't be any private banks at all and money creation is directly proportionate to the capacity of a nation to produce goods and services.

Now to establish a society that doesn't turn greedy, etc... the education system needs to focus at the very beginning with childdren on a service to others type of education !

[solarwindspirit]

I know, but do you think its possible to build such a thing behind the NWO at the time?

implacable NO and incapable of deceiving us
healthcare for america while I watch my loved ones posioned
oh, and the consumer protectionism. ..what a joke
wow, what a prioritization

It's like how the termites have already gnawed their way up the staff!

but we all know it's a dhrama. . .huh

You think:

It's something 'hidden' in a field that 'man'
covered up
It's innate meaning born with it. . .but it
seems that is which is not valued


seems there are a lot of 'things' that aren't real
especially what really counts for life to succeed

not to mention a 'real' educational system
that can also focus on the holographic
reality of right brain thinkers
___________________________________________
There are priorities in health care but it should always
be reasonably prioritized

first line of defense. . .is the skin! protects the body from pathogens
its like you can't get someone breathing again if they no longer have a heart beat. . .now can you?
It's like how you triage someone? it's an order of priority with the body
and it should be clear here too. . .in America
make some sense. . .pls like unneccesary poisoning and needless suffering . . .to make a 'profit' that isn't real in the first place
guess health and well being . . .that isn't real either. . .hmmm
---------------------------------------------------------------
Just a lowly complainer. . .or am I (I have a strong will with a very clear directive)

[chris]

In tool, I hope you understood I was referring to a way of exchanging products and services (money, coins, etc...)

That sounds an aweful lot like money, hence greed. I don't want to accuse you of being greedy, however I think it may be so. Especially if you don't agree with the Venus Project.

We are talking about a 'resource' based economy, not an economic, a 'tool' of exchange is money, not resources. This is giving in to all the fear and ego of the, Hey look at how advanced our society will be:

http://wallbizz.com/images/wmwallpapers/Futuristic-City-1.jpeg

Next question...

So how do super computers re-allocate ? How is it decided who gets what ?

It's a supercomputer derr brain.

I personally don't think money is a problem in a free and open society but for it to be effective, it simply needs to be put into circulation by institutions that belong to all the people of a nation.

Poppycock! Money is the source of all evil, it is the source of all greed. I know you may be far less along the path of evolution as I and other Venus Project advocates so you'll simply have to trust us on this one.

[terralibra]

Poppycock! Money is the source of all evil, it is the source of all greed. I know you may be far less along the path of evolution as I and other Venus Project advocates so you'll simply have to trust us on this one.


Why does money have to be the source of all evil? Money is evil because it controls people. But why does it control people? It controls the money changers for their greed, and controls the average person for their ignorance and lack of consciousness. Thieves get away with their theft because unalert/ unaware/unconscious people. The only person who can change your level of awareness/consciousness is YOU- you have to WANT it. SEEK and YE SHALL FIND. Consciousness is an individual CHOICE. The individual has to WANT; they have to WANT it has bad as the thief wants your money. One cannot get consciousness via the Venus Project. Re-education yes. Consciousness, no.

[broadperspective]

Poppycock! Money is the source of all evil, it is the source of all greed. I know you may be far less along the path of evolution as I and other Venus Project advocates so you'll simply have to trust us on this one.

Please read all of post # 27 once again.... I have never been greedy and its not money the problem but rather how it is created, allocate, used and how it is valued !

Getting rid of money to prevent greed is like passing a bunch of new laws to make sure you preserve security...

Money is not the problem like I said above, its the consciousness at hand that simply needs to be raised in order to prevent the greed, etc...

And if I 'm far less on the path of evolution than you, as you claim, then it's quite ironic that such a comment directly flourishes from the root of your EGO ;)

A service to others system starts within and with an open heart, heightened consciousness and broad outlook on all that is.

[chris]

Why does money have to be the source of all evil? Money is evil because it controls people. But why does it control people? It controls the money changers for their greed, and controls the average person for their ignorance and lack of consciousness. Thieves get away with their theft because unalert/ unaware/unconscious people. The only person who can change your level of awareness/consciousness is YOU- you have to WANT it. SEEK and YE SHALL FIND. Consciousness is an individual CHOICE. The individual has to WANT; they have to WANT it has bad as the thief wants your money. One cannot get consciousness via the Venus Project. Re-education yes. Consciousness, no.

Who says we want consciousness? We want to relax and play and have robot butlers wait on us.
http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content08/El-E-robot-butler.jpg
Please read all of post # 27 once again.... I have never been greedy and its not money the problem but rather how it is created, allocate, used and how it is valued !

But you apologise for paper! PAPER APOLOGISER!!!

Getting rid of money to prevent greed is like passing a bunch of new laws to make sure you preserve security...

Don't try to play these metaphorical games with me, I am part of a movement don't ya know? The Zeitgeistmovement.com movement.

Money is not the problem like I said above, its the consciousness at hand that simply needs to be raised in order to prevent the greed, etc...

Again consciousness, blah blah blah...As I said above, the goal is sweet robot butlers. Stop trying to greedily cultivate consciousness.

And if I 'm far less on the path of evolution than you, as you claim, then it's quite ironic that such a comment directly flourishes from the root of your EGO ;)

I have no ego. That's why I can see the facts.

A service to others system starts within and with an open heart, heightened consciousness and broad outlook on all that is.

No, robot butlers are the start. Once we scientifically make us happy through amazing theme parks and blockbuster movies, we will simply enlighten through the content in our hearts.

[drc_]

I have no ego. That's why I can see the facts.

Hahahahahaha! :D:o

[meksar]

The elite are handing their power to their younger and vibrant family memebers like David Mayer De Rothschild and Prince William, the elite are rebranding themselves as 21st century messiahs and only a fool would buy into it. Zeitgesit and the Lucifer project are part of the agenda to ensure that everyone loves each other blindly whilst atheism and religion are both conquered and destroyed and the belief in Lucifer is the only allowed way to "enlightement".

[andyh]

Some of the people on here are beginning to sound a little paranoid tbh.
Where is your evidence that the Rothschilds (or insert other megalomaniac here) are behind the venus project?
Are you going to say this about any solution proffered?
Do you have any sensible alternative to offer?

The venus project is a step in the right direction but it's not a complete solution.
Our previous social systems have failed time and again this much is fact, forget everything else.
It's true that austrian school economics may put things to right for a while but the whole world has to return to this system and even then it's still subject to the same weakness that caused all the crap we put up with today.
The venus project CAN work just as can many other systems but they all rely on common sense and ethical behaviour which is sadly lacking in humanity.
I would say that the venus project can work if (and this is a big if) sensible honourable people come together to work on this problem and kick it off on a small island somewhere which is left alone. As the rest of the world goes to hell in a handbasket they will turn to this structure as being an example solution.
It has some immediate weaknesses that I can see, mainly that the reliance on computers to allocate resources leaves you open to the garbage in- garbage out issue.
Someone (or some group) has to program this system, this is it's achilles heel.

No matter what, it's "ism" we have tried, it's been a miserable failure. We will soon have to come up with a solution and because of this, I wish the venus project success. If we don't come up with something soon then the alternative is too horrific to contemplate....

We don't need any more critical thinking (which is very easy to do imho) right now, what we need is CONSTRUCTIVE out of the box thinking, which is very rare indeed. (read Edward De Bono - How to teach your child to think. It's an old yet eye opening book and provided you can swallow the humility it will teach many adults something.)

Our greatest weapon we can have against these few evil bastards that pull all the strings is our common ground and solidarity, as long as we bicker amongst ourselves we remain weak and divided, this was the whole point of zeitgeist addendum, how money has divided us and put us in competetion with each other for profit..at interest of course :). I would suggest that if you have misgivings about the venus project that you actually join their discussion groups and ask critical (but not offensive) questions and see if you get sensible answers. Be positive not negative, this way you become more informed and more powerful for the experience.

I'm not dissing or singling out anyone with this post, merely giving my 2p and hopefully steering a few folks back on the right path imho.

[firstlook]

Peter joseph is a good guy. He is spreading truth. You know what to do with it.;)

[mightiswrong]

The venus project is not a step in the right direction. It is not even a coherent idea. Plant a garden and tell the NWO to fuck off. It is that simple. You will then have all the resources you will ever need. Water, food, land and a home. Invite your friends round to celebrate and pass it on to your children. Don't let the venus project lead you further down the garden path when the garden is waiting for you with open arms.

[andyh]

The venus project is not a step in the right direction. It is not even a coherent idea. Plant a garden and tell the NWO to fuck off. It is that simple. You will then have all the resources you will ever need. Water, food, land and a home. Invite your friends round to celebrate and pass it on to your children. Don't let the venus project lead you further down the garden path when the garden is waiting for you with open arms.

While having a veggie patch is a great idea, I can't see how that's going to be the final solution for humanity.
We all have different aims,interests and goals in life. The whole point of the venus project is that people like yourself contribute your knowledge and interests for everyone elses benefit without money being a stumbling block.
I don't see how we can advance in so many ways by merely looking after a garden and to hell with the rest of life, even if you don't spend money on food you're going to need to spend it on something else.
Imho we all need to become good at a great many things and enjoy all that life has to offer...including growing our own food ;)

[meksar]

Some of the people on here are beginning to sound a little paranoid tbh.
Where is your evidence that the Rothschilds (or insert other megalomaniac here) are behind the venus project?
Are you going to say this about any solution proffered?
Do you have any sensible alternative to offer?

The venus project is a step in the right direction but it's not a complete solution.
Our previous social systems have failed time and again this much is fact, forget everything else.
It's true that austrian school economics may put things to right for a while but the whole world has to return to this system and even then it's still subject to the same weakness that caused all the crap we put up with today.
The venus project CAN work just as can many other systems but they all rely on common sense and ethical behaviour which is sadly lacking in humanity.
I would say that the venus project can work if (and this is a big if) sensible honourable people come together to work on this problem and kick it off on a small island somewhere which is left alone. As the rest of the world goes to hell in a handbasket they will turn to this structure as being an example solution.
It has some immediate weaknesses that I can see, mainly that the reliance on computers to allocate resources leaves you open to the garbage in- garbage out issue.
Someone (or some group) has to program this system, this is it's achilles heel.

No matter what, it's "ism" we have tried, it's been a miserable failure. We will soon have to come up with a solution and because of this, I wish the venus project success. If we don't come up with something soon then the alternative is too horrific to contemplate....

We don't need any more critical thinking (which is very easy to do imho) right now, what we need is CONSTRUCTIVE out of the box thinking, which is very rare indeed. (read Edward De Bono - How to teach your child to think. It's an old yet eye opening book and provided you can swallow the humility it will teach many adults something.)

Our greatest weapon we can have against these few evil bastards that pull all the strings is our common ground and solidarity, as long as we bicker amongst ourselves we remain weak and divided, this was the whole point of zeitgeist addendum, how money has divided us and put us in competetion with each other for profit..at interest of course :). I would suggest that if you have misgivings about the venus project that you actually join their discussion groups and ask critical (but not offensive) questions and see if you get sensible answers. Be positive not negative, this way you become more informed and more powerful for the experience.

I'm not dissing or singling out anyone with this post, merely giving my 2p and hopefully steering a few folks back on the right path imho.

I really had a hard time supporting the communities developed in the Venus Project. While the ideas at first sound good, the whole thing does sound like Marxism or Communism and that in itself is worrying enough. Also why have people like David Mayer De Rothschild, Bill Clinton and David Cameron been invited to their conferences.

http://www.wittysparks.com/video/104036716/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJp3D_n7I4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sUEFcD4Ro

[meksar]

Zeitgeist is seeded with enough disinformation designed to make anybody who associates with it look like a lunatic.When the powers that be swoop, those who follow the zeitgeist "chain" will be mocked into submission based on the huge fallacies and intentional biases inserted into the film and addendum's.

[reign_true]

Is the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project the end-all anti-dote to the currupt global corporate system?.

i.e. Getting rid of Governments, Relgions, Money, Law and Social Stratification?.

Potentially

[dalsar]

Like I said,

Wouldn’t it be funny if they are building the venus project homes + cities slowly, and that is what the concentration camps are for, for the people to live in while they build these cities (because in order to rebuild cities the people have to live somewhere in the meantime as their homes get destructed, so they built the concentration camps as temporary homes)

[andyh]

I really had a hard time supporting the communities developed in the Venus Project. While the ideas at first sound good, the whole thing does sound like Marxism or Communism and that in itself is worrying enough. Also why have people like David Mayer De Rothschild, Bill Clinton and David Cameron been invited to their conferences.

http://www.wittysparks.com/video/104036716/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJp3D_n7I4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sUEFcD4Ro


Cameron and Clinton were at the google zeitgeist conference which has nothing to do with what we are talking about here just as marxism and communism has nothing to do with it either.

Try again.

[mightiswrong]

While having a veggie patch is a great idea, I can't see how that's going to be the final solution for humanity.
We all have different aims,interests and goals in life. The whole point of the venus project is that people like yourself contribute your knowledge and interests for everyone elses benefit without money being a stumbling block.
I don't see how we can advance in so many ways by merely looking after a garden and to hell with the rest of life, even if you don't spend money on food you're going to need to spend it on something else.
Imho we all need to become good at a great many things and enjoy all that life has to offer...including growing our own food ;)

A veggie patch isn't adequate. A family needs a full hectare to provide abundant food and resources to live with. It is a huge waste for example for a builder to spend their lives building homes for other people to pay rent on a flat etc. when they could build their own home and plant an auto abundant garden, retire from commercial pursuits and enjoy time doing art, music, teaching and helping other people in some way. They could even earn money and have all the time in the world to do so but not because they need to but because they have a motivation to use that money in some way for the benefit of Mankind. I can only give you a brief idea of how this works but have provided links to the first three books in the Ringing cedars series in my signature so that you may consider the significance of such kin's domains as a realistic basis for free, safe, healthy, wealthy, happy and fullfilled individuals, families, communities and nations world wide.

[rollotomaz1]

Some say there has been a Venus project here on earth for hundreds of years in the form of the Amish people, they have their own infrastructure, education and all the raw materials they need to make anything they need, and most importantly no money,

they have their own, land and food, and a good old fashioned barter system, where they swap their surplus to us in the form of their quilt work, furniture which is very much sort after, we could be the same but seem to have lost the will to try, and those farms are one with nature and so well kept, a few have adopted some modern techiques to save many hours of labourious toil, but have a comfortable lifestyle and want for nothing from anyone and work together for the good of their community.

I say community because this is where the secret lies, enough people with practical skills which are taught and handed down and the will to go forward working with the seasons as we used to before the advent of the steam engine,

I know you are going to think it all sounds all so chocolate boxie, but many today would give their right arm to seperate themselves from the rat race, myself included, but they are on the whole a happy people and set to survive much more comfortably than the rest of us come any post oil situation.

I think back to when I was at school and living on the farm, we were many times happier back then doing something which kept our minds active, that's probably why we can turn our hands to almost anything today barring brain surgery, onky kidding,

Our teachers at school told us they wated us to be like them, when I told father what they said, he just smiled and said we do things slightly differently to them, and his word really make scense to us because we are still doing things to keep our, minds active to this day.

We like some modern things and deplore the rest and are getting much closer to Amish than we were 25 years ago, we make all of our own cloths and footwear, food from local raw materials/wool/wooen engineering/spinning wheels etc all made in house and have enjoyed every minuite of every day getting to where we are now, it took our minds off TV that we rarely watch it at all today,

What has made things easier is to have old machines that don't need electricity and heat from timber for cooking and keeping warm, if you get rid of the services/industries then you are less reliant on the consumerist world, the only thing we need electricity for is the route to which I'm talking to you now and a telephone, bar that the lights are out, but there is definately someone home, and hard work in moderation never killed anyone.

If we all started to think and make things for ourselves this would cut out the middle men to a degree and the way of the globalist would slow right down and I'm sure that most would be a lot more content, I have left one passtime out completely.

Work to live, not live to work, less can most definately be more.

[infinite_consciousness]

Zietgeist seems to be very compatible with what David Ickes says, rejecting all Relgions, Governments etc..

fosucing on raising consiuosness.

They're not rejecting all religions. Just christianity. There is a lot of disinformation in zeitgeist.

[firstlook]

Is the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project the end-all anti-dote to the currupt global corporate system?.

i.e. Getting rid of Governments, Relgions, Money, Law and Social Stratification?.

The idea is right. I think its unrealistic to put faith in one movement, but the effort is very needed. I have nothing against what their movement is doing. The particulars is less impotrant these days. Its more important to have these thoughts, and even more important to act on them.

[mightiswrong]

The venus project wants to get rid of national governments but seems to be in full support of a one world government to manage a resource based economy. The government would be based on science that could easily be manipulated by the PTB. Likewise Zeitgeist is promoting a religion. It is a religion based on the worship of technology & science which is assumed to be the solution to all our problems. Zeitgeist also does not propose getting rid of money. It just relables it as a resource based economy and neither does it propose getting rid of corporations. They would likely be renamed to give a different appearence. In short the venus project doesn't offer anything other than more propaganda, diversions and lies. The following quotes reveal alot:

page 36

"Many cities are designed as total enclosure systems, much like a cruise
ship outfitted for a six-month cruise. They contain residences, theaters,
parks, recreation, entertainment centers, health care, and educational
facilities, and all the requirements and amenities for a total living environ-ment. Everything in these cities is as near to a self-contained system as conditions allow. In northern locations or uninhabit-able areas, cities can be subterranean."

A few hours on a cruise ship is enough for me thanks very much.
Page 37:


"These super-sized skyscrapers assure that more land is available for
parks and wilderness preserves, while concurrently helping to elimi-nate
urban sprawl. Each of these towers encloses with a complete envi-ronment,
containing a shopping center as well as childcare, educa-tional,
health, and recreational facilities. This helps reduce the need
to travel to outside facilities."
http://www.zeitgeistmovement.cz/stahovani/DesigningtheFuture.pdf

An enclosure is another name for a prison. How can you go shopping without money and what would you buy if not corporate crap?

[mightiswrong]

Zeitgeist Addendum Exposed as NWO Propaganda

Timing is everything. On September 29, the United States stock market crashed, falling 777 points. Just in time for the fallout, a worldwide financial collapse, the movie Zeitgeist Addendum was released. The film, right on cue explains the obvious, how a flawed financial system failed and how it exploited the hard work, savings, and investments of all of those that lost their money to this beast like system. It simultaneously heaps blame upon free markets and religion, while calling for a global shift in consciousness.

This new paradigm is of course an old paradigm. It’s an open call for socialism. One need look no further than Karl Marx to see the parallels between Zeitgeist Addendum’s linking a distaste for free markets and religion. This should set off some rather loud alarm bells in the minds of patriotic and freedom loving Americans, whom I might add, should also take note the speech made by Ron Paul (like him or dislike him the man is an obsessive proponent of free trade, the antithesis of marxism) which is slipped into the film as if to subtly state that he stands behind this piece of marxist propaganda.

Most of those that have been actively observing the global elite have likewise understand that a pre-planned financial crash has been in the works for some time. For many years we have heard rumblings of a new world economic order sitting in the wings, ready to emerge once the old economic order was done away with in a massive financial meltdown, much like we’re seeing now. And right on cue we, the people not only of America, but of the world are being offered a solution, that just like the market meltdown has also been prearranged from the get go.

Nickolas Sarozky president of the EU says he wants a new global economic system to rise out of the ashes of this crash which, in his own words is expressed as a “new world.” order. Sarkozy is on record a multitude of times talking about his quest for a New World Order, and this should come as no surprise as we have seen his fondness for the Giza pyramids is one and the same with other elite occultists and new world order elitists.

Sadly, Zeitgeist Addendum seems to further the cause for this New World Order, neo-socialist paradigm. With America politicians and representatives ignoring the masses and passing off the debt of banks on to the general public, one can see the seeds of new world socialism emerging right here in America. It’s no coincidence that just as the New World Order beings implementing marxist thought in so called free countries, Zeitgeist Addendum shows up to incite the masses in a global call for marxism.

If one should prefer to save 2 hours and a multitude of brain cells and skip watching the new age/new world order propaganda film also known as Zeitgeist Addendum its proposals are clearly spelled out in a relatively unknown book entitled “The Externalization of the Hierarchy” written by Alice Bailey. Actually Bailey claimed to have channeled an “Ascended Master” known as “the Tibetan” or Djwhal Khul who penned the book through her.

Bailey was also the founder of the theosophical Lucifer Trust (later changed to Lucis Trust). Please note, that the solution to the faltering global economy offered by Zeitgeist Addendum is “The Venus Project.” Venus, also known as the morning star is synonymous with the term Lucifer which literally means the morning star.

Some of the highlights from Bailey’s The Externalization of the Hierarchy include the following:
“The problem of money will have to be faced; the problem of the distribution of wealth - whether natural or human - will need careful handling and a compromise reached between those nations which possess unlimited resources and those who have few or none; the problem of the varying forms of national government must be faced with courage and insight; the restoration - psychological, spiritual and physical - of mankind must constitute a primary responsibility. The sense of security must be put on a firm basis - the basis of right relationship, and not the basis of force. Men must feel secure because they are seeking to develop international goodwill and can trust each other, and are not therefore dependent upon the strength of their armies and fleets.”

For those that have seen Zeitgeist Addendum, this should sound familiar, as it is the basis for the entire film.

Bailey’s EOTH also includes specifics as to the nature of the New World Order and the following are just some of the links between Bailey’s work and Zeitgeist Addendum:

“The new world order will be founded on the recognition that all men are equal in origin and goal but that all are at differing stages of evolutionary development; that personal integrity, intelligence, vision and experience, plus a marked goodwill, should indicate leadership. The domination of the proletariat over the aristocracy and bourgeoisie, as in Russia, or the domination of an entrenched aristocracy over the proletariat and middle classes, as has been until lately the case in Great Britain, must disappear. The control of labor by capital or the control of capital by labor must also go.”

“In the new world order, the governing body in any nation should be composed of those who work for the greatest good of the greatest number and who at the same time offer opportunity to all, seeing to it that the individual is left free. Today the men of vision are achieving recognition, thus making possible a right choice of leaders. It was not possible until this century.”

“The new world order will be founded on an active sense of responsibility. The rule will be “all for one and one for all.” This attitude among nations will have to be developed. It is not yet present.”
“The new world order will recognize that the produce of the world, the natural resources of the planet and its riches, belong to no one nation but should be shared by all. There will be no nations under the category “haves” and others under the opposite category. A fair and properly organized distribution of the wheat, the oil and the mineral wealth of the world will be developed, based upon the needs of each nation, upon its own internal resources and the requirements of its people. All this will be worked out in relation to the whole.”

“In the preparatory period for the new world order there will be a steady and regulated disarmament. It will not be optional. No nation will be permitted to produce and organize any equipment for destructive purposes or to infringe the security of any other nation.

One of the first tasks of any future peace conference will be to regulate this matter and gradually see to the disarming of the nations.”

“These are the simple and general premises upon which the new world order must begin its work. These preliminary stages must be kept fluid and experimental; the vision of possibility must never be lost, and the foundations must be preserved inviolate, but the intermediate processes and the experimentations must be carried forward by men who, having the best interests of the whole at heart, can change the detail of organization whilst preserving the life of the organism.”

One should first take into consideration the many similarities between Bailey and the marxist propaganda espoused in Zeitgeist Addendum. It is then a much simpler task to view the film’s open call for global socialism as one and the same as the New World Theosophical religious and social order being so aptly adhered to by the high level occultists that are, in fact the global elite. In doing so, the following information should come as no shock and simply, further proof of collusion between two seemingly opposite groups. As you can see, they are no more opposite than Republican and Democrat. Outwardly so yes, but certainly behind the scenes both are controlled by the same invisible hand.

The Venus Project which has already in name been linked to Lucifer, is obviously a socialist movement. Founded by Jacque Fresco, upon first glance it may appear similar to one of the multitude of ill fated hippy communes of the 1960’s. But upon further study, it too is rooted in the same NWO/Occult/Theosophical belief structure.

“The Venus Project advocates an alternative vision for a sustainable new world civilization unlike any social system that has gone before…

One of the basic premises of The Venus Project is that we work towards having all of the Earth’s resources as the common heritage of all the world’s people. Anything less will simply result in a continuation of the same catalog of problems inherent in the present system.”

This is exactly what Bailey wrote of in The Externalization of the Hierarchy. The links between The Venus Project and the essence of Secret Societies does however run even deeper than the call for a communistic sharing of world resources.

33rd degree masonic author Manley P Hall said of America’s link to the new Atlantis, “The New Atlantis sets forth an ideal government of the earth. It foretells that day when in the midst of men there shall rise up a vast institution composed of the philosophic elect — an order of illumined men banded together for the purpose of investigating the laws of life and the mysteries of the universe … The age of boundaries is closing, and we are approaching a nobler era when nations shall be no more; when the lines of race and caste shall be wiped out; when the whole earth shall be under one order, one government, one administrative body.” -Manly P Hall “Lectures on Ancient Philosophy,” published by the Philosophical Research Society Inc, Los Angeles (1970)”

Hall, along side of Rosicrucians like Francis Bacon, clearly defined the New World Order’s drive to recreate Atlantis, and this theme clearly “resurfaces” in Fresco’s “architecture”, specifically in his “Circular City”.

The Circular City is one that is notably comparable to artistic visions of Atlantis based upon Plato’s description of the sunken city.

Another warning sign of Fresco’s New World Order mentality is his desire to see technology steering mankind’s destiny. Many patriots shiver at the idea of biometric identification, specifically the idea of implantable microchips that could be used to track and control humans in ways up until recently only envisioned in the Bible. Fresco’s vision for the future of humanity goes well beyond that of a simple microchip implant. He foresees humanity needing to merge with machine or else risk de-evolution.
“When biological technology becomes further advanced, human beings as we know them, will become a modified species. If we as human beings fail to include the possibility of this development in our overall, social evolution we will witness the decline of our species” -Jacque Fresco The Best that Money Can’t buy, Beyond Politics, Poverty, & War.

These are not mere coincidences. While seemingly “revolutionary” in thought, Fresco and his school of thought as espoused by the Zeitgeist vision of rebellion against the system are part and parcel of the same social upheaval being called for, not by humanitarians, but by those that have been planning for the New World Order from it’s earliest stages.

It should also be noted that Zeitgeist Addendum begins and ends with speaking from Krisnamurti who was raised from boyhood by the Theosophical Society to be a “world teacher”. This is not unlike others within the “Truth Movement” such as Michael Tsarion, who openly admits he was raised from an early age by a theosophist. Tsarion is also obsessed with the re-establishment of Atlantis, as well as “astrotheology.”

This peculiar affinity with the occult is nothing out of the ordinary with Zeitgeist. Part 1 of the initial Zeitgeist film was based on the work of a man that loved theosophy so much he named himself Jordan Maxwell after Helena Blavatsky’s “Jordanus Maximus”.

Before discounting the political power of Theosophy and its desire to infiltrate the truth seekers you need to understand its concept of seed groups. These groups were sent forth to work in stealth so as to be nurtured without competition from those that would see them for what they truly are. When one wonders how or why anyone offering truth about the occult could in fact be part of the New World Order, they need look no further than Alice Bailey.

One of the most specific goals of the theosophist, as dictated in The Externalization of the Hierarchy is the following:

“The education of the advanced thinkers, of the aspirants and world disciples in applied knowledge, expressed wisdom and occult understanding. This group synthesizes all that is available in the other two groups and thus forms the nucleus of the Kingdom of God, of the fifth kingdom which is so rapidly coming into being.”

According to the Theosophy, starting with it’s founder Blavatsky, god is really Lucifer. This is luciferian theology, NOT Christian doctrine.

“The devil is now called Darkness by the Church, whereas, in the Bible he is called the “Son of God”, the bright star of the early morning, Lucifer. There is a whole philosophy of dogmatic craft in the reason why the first Archangel, who sprang from the depths of Chaos, was called Lux (Lucifer), the “Luminous Son of the Morning,” or man- vantaric Dawn. He was transformed by the Church into Lucifer or Satan, because he is higher and older than Jehovah, and had to be sacrificed to the new dogma. -Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine

Zeitgeist Addendum held over one central theme from its predecessor, that Jesus was and is just another name for all of the other gods of antiquity. Unfortunately in Zeitgeist’s extensive reference material webpage and/or reference book there is nothing that specifically backs up any of these claims.

While some authors, including Jordan Maxwell may claim that Christianity is simply based upon “astrotheology”, a careful and credible truth seeker should dig deeper and try to understand the obvious links between the “characters” (note that for some reason the majority of them won’t even use their real names: Jordan Maxwell, Acharya S, Peter Joseph etc…), secret societies, and religious cults in play within the truth movement, specifically those showcased by Zeitgeist.
While interesting, their pro-New World Order and anti-Christian agenda is as far from truth as is humanly possible. For example, Zeitgeist Part 1 states that Krishna was crucified and raised from the dead on the third day, yet there is not one text from antiquity that actually spells it out.
For anyone wishing to prove this statement wrong, if you can prove the claims in Part 1 of Zeitgeist, by all means click here and try to win yourself some money.

The Zeitgeist Companion Guide does quote from multiple encyclopedias while it also states that readers can’t find answers to the films claims within encyclopedias. Upon studying the Companion Guide, a reader will find several authors show up a multitude of times (some of them 20-30 times within the 50 or so page book). One might be interested in taking a few moments to look into the beliefs of these “reputable authors” in comparison to the material presented within this essay.
It should be noted that any critical thinker can’t help but to agree with many of the practical points and issues raised in the Zeitgeist Addendum.

It is however, so very important to be cautious about who we as truth seekers run to while trying to seek understanding in these confusing times.
The New World Order has been formulating in secret for centuries. President H.W. Bush didn’t come out and mention the New World Order for no reason. Truth seekers understand who it is that controls the press and with that understanding one can only then come to one conclusion as to why so many news articles mention the New World Order by name.

At one time Freemasons would kill one another for exposing their secrets, yet Jordan Maxwell’s “hero”, Manley P Hall was awarded the honorary rank of 33rd degree master mason, ONLY after having exposed their beliefs in the Secret Teachings of All Ages.
What does this mean?

The key to understanding why the New World Order has chosen to expose itself lies in Bailey’s Externalization of the Hierarchy.

“The new world order must be appropriate to a world which has passed through a destructive crisis and to a humanity which is badly shattered by the experience.

The new world order must lay the foundation for a future world order which will be possible only after a time of recovery, of reconstruction, and of rebuilding.”

You know about Bohemian Grove. You know the signs and symbols that prove the elitists working towards a New World Order are part of a luciferian death cult. Now you need to ask yourself why those working to expose the New World Order are also linked to the same luciferian and occult beliefs.
The New World Order seems to have emerged to play the scapegoat for the order that will follow it. This second world order is the Theosophists’ Kingdom of God. Blavatsky told us who their god is. It is Lucifer. And how better a way to have a luciferian antichrist arrive on the scene, to be taken seriously by all as he crushes the New World Order, seemingly rescuing all of humanity from the clutches of its tyrannical all seeing eye.

You are free to repost this material but please include a link back to Wise as Serpents and Nowhere to Run.
http://revelationsmedia.com/zeitgeist-addendum-exposed-as-new-world-order-propaganda/

[andyh]

All the above is all very well but it looks rather silly considering that the venus project is an "open source" society, it's economics do not include money whatsoever, it also has no politicians whatsoever. It has no social rank whatsoever....just how the hell does that fit in with communism? There is no "ism" for this at all, it's totally new afaik. You'd better believe that the venus project has many problems that I can see but it has potential, I see NO potential with our current mess.
Forget dictionary definitions of democracy or communism or capitalism for that matter...it's all the same old bollox.
Profit is the driving force behind our current society globally, whatever form of govt there is in a country is secondary to this simple fact. Our own greed has forced us to scrape the barrel to continue this gluttony of consumerism and maintain artificially low prices, this has lead to immense debt on our part and immense wealth in countries where not that long ago "educated" people scoffed at the very idea these places would ever make money.

Like I said earlier, if anyone has anything better to offer I'm all for hearing about it :)
Is there a single person who has any constructive thoughts?

So far the best we ever came up with are the forms of democracy practiced in switzerland (cantons) and in the US a long time ago with a sound gold based money system.
It worked for a while but gradually the wealth gap grew, educational standards plummeted and we lost track of what life is all about...let alone what money is all about ;)

We fell victim to our own psychological weaknesses.
We are indeed a loving trusting creature by nature, we are not born with sin, we become moulded by our experiences...not this mad ruthless greedy monster that we have become because of our psychological nightmare we live every day in what we call society. It is because we placed trust in a few monsters that we ended up with this nightmare. After WW2 we said "never again"...doesn't look like we're that good at keeping promises.

[mightiswrong]

Some reference to the term technocratic/ technocracy in the ringing cedars series:

Only at the dachas, where you know every plant of your small plot but not in the depersonalized vast fields, where machines are crawling like stupid monsters. The people who work at dachas feel much better and to many of them this is the way to prolong their life and be healed from many sicknesses. They become more kind. It is the dachniks who are capable of stimulating society's awareness of the fatal consequences of the technocratic ways of our developments."

“Well, it is difficult even to imagine that the life of man in the technocratic world could be different. This world has been given to man from the very beginning but the dark forces have been always trying to change this healthy, natural mechanism into their very complicated, bulky, artificial systems which are contradicting human nature”.

"The technocratic world can't provide a man with an opportunity to satisfy his/ her sense of hunger and thirst at the very moment when the organism requires it. That was the reason why man started to push his/her own organism into the pattern which has been conditioned by his own helplessness."

“A man of the technocratic world has not till now invented anything that does not exist in Mother Nature”.

"Tell me, for instance, what do you think: our air and space crafts are perfect
mechanisms or not?”
“They are extremely primitive and, moreover, they are a confirmation of the primitivism of the technocratic way of developments"
http://curezone.com/upload/PDF/Vladimir_Megre_ANASTASIYA.pdf

Our scientists have termed this virus death. The outward signs of this virus, as indicated by historical records, are characterised as follows. The people infected by it start to destroy their own perfect variety of life on the planet, creating in its place a primitive, artificial world. This period of life Earth-dwellers themselves referred to as the technocratic age.

The people infected by the death virus began mutating from rational beings into anti-rational beings. They gathered together in large numbers on small plots of land and built themselves dwellings that looked like stone tombs, piled one on top of another.

Picture to yourselves a stone mountain with a whole lot of burrows hollowed out in it. It was something quite similar to these stone mountains that people built with their hands and called apartment blocks. The tomb-burrows in this artificial mountain were called apartments. A massive concentration of these artificial stone mountains with their burrows, piled up one beside the other, was called a city. The new civilisation, pg228

Perhaps it is thanks to you, or perhaps they are simply following the dictates of their own hearts, but people in our technocratic world are beginning to create their own family domains, enriching the land. They have adopted your image* wholeheartedly, Anastasia — the marvellous image of the future for their family, the country and possibly the whole order of the Universe. pg3

* See this article for a discussion of the science of images:
http://www.ringingcedarsofrussia.org/theearth/ringing-cedars-newspaper-interview-vladimir-megre-part2-2008-oct.html#n1
Note it is the false image of techocracy sold in zeitgeist addendum/ the venus project that is designed to fool us once more with it's appeals to materialism. Nothing new. Just like Monsanto's advertising campaigns.

http://www.bannockcountybluegrassfestival.com/Monsanto%20Logo.JPG