Debate about these issues

[mynameis]

What if you could have access to all these for free?

1.)Access to Free Health care for life.

2.)Access to Free Education for life.

3.)Access to Free Food for life.

4.) Access to Job Placement for life.

All money transactions are a motivator for job education and placement. Lifelong learning without a financial hurdles are involved.

Educators and CEO's are still retained by company profit motivation.

State run federal cafeteria programs.

Restaurants and Grocery stores still are able to sell food.

Doctor's and nurses could be retained through hospital profit motivation.

Jobs are filtered through necessity, pay grade, hiring positions, and application resume.

No child left behind, no adult left behind, and neither goes hungry or without health care.

[lifeofbrian]

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

[mynameis]

That you know of. Technology is catching up and more will go jobless and foodless. What do you propose as an alternative?

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

[danielg]

There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Nature gives free food. People, out of fear, claim ownership and sell them for profit.

[chris]

That you know of. Technology is catching up and more will go jobless and foodless. What do you propose as an alternative?

Technology is being surpressed and what inovations come about are msotly against us.

An alternative is to take responsibility of your own life and not try to dictate what others should or should not have.

If people want socialised education then they should group together and pay a tax for it. I don't want socialised education so I should be able to opt out and get private teachers or teach my children myself without money being stolen from me.

[lifeofbrian]

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

The quote holds the insight that a system providing you with something "for free" always expects something in return. The catch may be limitations of some sort, or reactions against someone refusing to toe the party line, becoming too independent from the collective agreements that bind. Like the hermit in the woods living off and in harmony with nature. Hard to control/keep track of such an individual.

Every coin has three sides. The two, and the edge.

No free lunch also means there is no living here without causing some change. Of which every single one of us is responsible. The bill depends on how much you cared for others and creation itself from your place in the bigger picture.

[chris]

The quote holds the insight that a system providing you with something "for free" always expects something in return. The catch may be limitations of some sort, or reactions against someone refusing to toe the party line, becoming too independent from the collective agreements that bind. Like the hermit in the woods living off and in harmony with nature. Hard to control/keep track of such an individual.

Every coin has three sides. The two, and the edge.

No free lunch also means there is no living here without causing some change. Of which every single one of us is responsible. The bill depends on how much you cared for others and creation itself from your place in the bigger picture.

The best transactions are those that benefit both...Even fruit comes at it's price...The animals side of the bargin is to eat the seeds and crap them out in their own fertiliser. Both benefit from the transaction. It's not like the tree is giving you a delicious fruit for the sake of it.

Socialised education is going to tax everyone, even those that don't want it. Not to mention the mediocrity of learning subjects children find boring in a huge class and long days. I'd rather seek out a good teacher and have them teach in a 1on1 situation.

To be honest I think it would be cost effective...Each pupil in school today costs around £5,000 per year, if you spent that on a private tutor then you would get a far higher standard of education in a much shorter time and in general a much happier childhood.

Even if you're poor then you could split the costs with a few other families and still get great benefits.

Let's say if you do get robots to be your slaves then who control's those robots? I choose not to take things the easy route because that leads to tyranny...I love technology but everyone needs to be educated to a very high degree, espcially in the art of survival, war, medicine and other basics.

[mynameis]

For the intelligent words Chris. I have posted this at different places and the concept of the individual will continue to become downsized unless we act in a manner opposed to technology which creates dead ends. We are being duped. The first transformation was Radio instead of community entertainment. Then television, civil rights, women's rights, etc... We're getting weaker while the machine or the system gets stronger.

We need to take back the control while we are still inside the driver seat. Someone eventually will create an robot or android that can mimic human action like data on Star Trek. I see this as inevitable. Most would rather not discuss the misuse of technology for our future. I however see us being downsized. There will be job shortages and low skilled labor shooting for the lowest common wage and nothing to retrain ourselves from becoming obsolete?

[chris]

For the intelligent words Chris. I have posted this at different places and the concept of the individual will continue to become downsized unless we act in a manner opposed to technology which creates dead ends. We are being duped. The first transformation was Radio instead of community entertainment. Then television, civil rights, women's rights, etc... We're getting weaker while the machine or the system gets stronger.

We need to take back the control while we are still inside the driver seat. Someone eventually will create an robot or android that can mimic human action like data on Star Trek. I see this as inevitable. Most would rather not discuss the misuse of technology for our future. I however see us being downsized. There will be job shortages and low skilled labor shooting for the lowest common wage and nothing to retrain ourselves from becoming obsolete?

I agree with all the implications and dangers you list however your solution is unfeasible is a conscious divorce from what distinct us from animals. You will never be able to convince many people to be a luddite and smash up their technologies.

The alternative is to open the markets. Unlike your proposal this will absolutely have the freemarket capitalists salivating, it will invigorate small businesses and medium businesses will be able to take on the monopolies and kick there arse (unless they become free).

You see there HAS to be a slave class to keep their ship afloat. If there were freemarkets then after a few decades most people will be working for themselves, there will be no demeaning jobs like toilet cleaning as no one would be able to employ that person unless they pay a very good price. If the economy is well looked after then it will start to resemble nature and people will find that they are working very close to it as a lot of slave jobs are no longer popular so they need to work for themselves, this will lead a lot of people to becoming closer to nature and even just living off the land totally.

Technology will be released and nature will be able to work along side it. People will be very vigilant of their civil rights and understand what happens when you get sloppy.

[lydia78]

Nature gives free food. People, out of fear, claim ownership and sell them for profit.

You sound like the old soul of a Native American Indian Cheif:)

[mynameis]

Free markets can take care of this aspect of cleaning. It always has. So do garbage disposal laborers.

The transitional states and unskilled or untrained can do these jobs as they look for better work. Just saying that solutions aren't feasible does not worki when there are solutions. However as you say does there always have to be a slave class? I think not. I think that a state for agreed upon work is necessary for getting work done properly, but to say they are a slave class that's a new one on me.

If by slave you mean not well off or rich, then I wouldn't expect you to think that like Enron these circumstances like the rich being wiped out overnight never happen. Guess who'll be working at Walmart? Anyhow, I understand that point entirely, and its a good one I hadn't yet thought about.

You see there HAS to be a slave class to keep their ship afloat. If there were freemarkets then after a few decades most people will be working for themselves, there will be no demeaning jobs like toilet cleaning as no one would be able to employ that person unless they pay a very good price.