Doormats to be banned

[redsky]

http://www.expressandstar.com/2009/08/20/now-doormats-to-be-banned/

Now doormats to be banned

Doormats, pot plants and paintings are being banned from outside thousands of homes in Wolverhampton – due to health and safety fears, it was revealed today.

Housing bosses in the city want ornaments and plants removed from corridors and communal areas at blocks of flats following a blaze in London which killed six residents.

Wolverhampton Homes will now run regular checks at communal areas at low, medium and high-rise blocks to make sure there is nothing in them that could spark a fire or block residents’ escape routes.

Around 5,000 homes are expected to be affected.

Wolverhampton Homes spokeswoman Hannah Sutcliffe said: “This will affect things like doormats, plants and pictures hanging on walls.”

The rules are being enforced following the fatal blaze at a 12-storey block of flats in Camberwell in July.

Angela Barnes, area manager at Wolverhampton Homes, said: “The risk from fire is far greater in high or low rise blocks and, in light of the appalling fire at a block of flats in London, we must ensure communal areas are clear so tenants can get out safely in the event of a fire.

“We have already received the full backing of Wolverhampton Federation of Tenants Associations and will work closely with the fire service to ensure everybody understands the key reasons behind this.

“The aim is to prevent fire, stop it spreading and, save lives.”

Mr Dave Cocker, secretary of the tenants association at Graiseley Court, where around 400 homes will be affected, said he feared blocks of flats could become “sterile” if ornaments and paintings had to be ripped down.

“People must be able to exit safely and calmly and so communal areas should not be cluttered with things like bikes and fridges, but flowers, pictures and mirrors make the place more homely,” he said.

[real6]

BWhahahahahhahaa

[deadskinball]

Although this is a WTF moment, there is sense in that idea but maybe a little to harsh.

If you ever see something blocking a fire escape then you'll know what the people had in mind when they were thinking of this law. The same goes for fire escape stairwells. Nothing is allowed to be stored in them. They must be made of concrete and must have fireproof door and mininal fittings.

There are fines given for shops which allow this sort of lax standard, so it would sense that a community building would be subject to the same regulations.

It does make sense, but the title is sensationalistic.

[comma berenices]

This is already in place where i live,we are not allowed to keep anything outside our front door's in the block i live in.

The housing association remove it,and we get a warning letter.

H&s gone to far as far as i'm concerned,i challenged them about the lack of lighting in the communial stairways.

If and has happened we have a power cut there's no back up lighting system to aid escape in case of fire,i was told to keep a torch by my front door:eek:?????

[not amused]

I saw something last year about this can't remember where but this other association also banned tenants from mopping the floors outside their doors incase someone slipped and hurt them selfs . the smell of piss must linger for ever.

[whiterain]

better go round to the councillors homes and take away all of their stuff that we deem to be a hazard.

this is just more community destruction. cant have people congregating and chatting together in communal areas now can we

[comma berenices]

There was also a case where a tenant was taken to court for a pair of trainers outside their door,i think that may of been last year too.

Flat tennants around here are actively encouraged to mop the floors, only a matter of time untill thats banned here too.

[hawk]

There's a law that says it's illegal over here to have bars on your windows in case of fire,you need to get out. But if they ban doormats,wtf?
Might as well say they will outlaw bed mattresses next. It's a hazard to your health. They're gonna make everyone sleep on the floors,soon. lmao! When are you guys gonna stop this? Don't let them do this.

[sukyspook]

This is already in place where i live,we are not allowed to keep anything outside our front door's in the block i live in.

The housing association remove it,and we get a warning letter.

H&s gone to far as far as i'm concerned,i challenged them about the lack of lighting in the communial stairways.

If and has happened we have a power cut there's no back up lighting system to aid escape in case of fire,i was told to keep a torch by my front door:eek:?????

I guess we'd better just shut up, comply and be thankful we don't yet pay to breathe...
Oh, I forgot - 'they' had to call it 'carbon footprint' cos we'd rumble the scam if they called it 'carbon exhalation' - the tax to end all taxes perhaps?? All charges/taxes having been predicated upon the four elements:

earth; fire; air and water...and of course, death tax which you could say is a tax on the 'spirit' or 'Fifth Element'.

'They' might be bastards amongst many other things but they're very, very clever.

[ghostdogg]

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[rosix]

they don't have to worry about the hazard, no-one should come to my house unless they're bloody invited :P

[oneup]

More nanny state bullshit.
Isn't this people's own responsibility?

[dogsmilk]

ornaments and plants

Is this because they're plagued with highly flammable pot plants or because people are growing huge triffid type plants that impede escape from a blaze?

[deadskinball]

outlaw bed mattresses next

No, they will ban smoking outright. And I fully want this to happen but taxes on those things are a solid gold cash cow, so getting the gov to consider killing their golden goose means that it may never happen.

You quote made me smile but not for the humour value. I sleep on an air matress. I will never go back to sleeping on miniature car springs ever again if i can help it.

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there's no back up lighting system to aid escape in case of fire

Have a chat to your local station's fire warden. Not only will it get the ball rolling, but the landlord won't be able to fob them off.

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Isn't this people's own responsibility?

Unfortunately everyones idea of a level of responsibility will always be different. Old betty in number 4 might like to have a metal box kittylitter outside in the hallway and claim that its fireproof. Well, if not what is fireproof or not, is what can limit the speed at which people can evacuate. Obstructions will slow people down and smoke at knock someone out pretty quick if they must breathe it.

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Do the thread contributers have: smoke alarms in every room, a fireblanket and a dry powder fire extinguisher in the kitchen and in the garage, a fence around the pool and a resus chart, locked chemical cupboards etc. etc. AS MINIMUM?

yea?

Good on you for being a smart and responsible person. I keep a fire extinguisher in the car as well.

no?

...then what use is your understanding of the panic and mayhem that happens when someone yells out fire (even though they may be none)... or even if there was one?

[farros]

If a person is to stupid to walk past a pot plant in a fire then they desrve to get burnt to death.

[beldazar]

WTF??? Pictures? Are they ant people that have to crawl along walls to get out???

This world is completely insane! :eek:

[the nine]

Although this is a WTF moment, there is sense in that idea but maybe a little to harsh.

If you ever see something blocking a fire escape then you'll know what the people had in mind when they were thinking of this law. The same goes for fire escape stairwells. Nothing is allowed to be stored in them. They must be made of concrete and must have fireproof door and mininal fittings.

There are fines given for shops which allow this sort of lax standard, so it would sense that a community building would be subject to the same regulations.

It does make sense, but the title is sensationalistic.

yeah, well said..
I would dread to think of the disaster which could happen, if exiting a burning building only to be confronted by a door mat..
i sends shivers down my spine just thinking about tit!

[smoke n mirrors]

This is already in place where i live,we are not allowed to keep anything outside our front door's in the block i live in.

The housing association remove it,and we get a warning letter.

H&s gone to far as far as i'm concerned,i challenged them about the lack of lighting in the communial stairways.

If and has happened we have a power cut there's no back up lighting system to aid escape in case of fire,i was told to keep a torch by my front door:eek:?????

Send them a recorded letter, reminding them that they have a duty of care and that your request/notification with regard to emergency lighting - is a formal report of a foreseen risk to tents health and safety. In the event of an incident, resulting in any injury related to poor lighting conditions, in an emergency or normal activity following a power failure - this notice shall be used in a court as proof of negligence and failure in their duty of care.

Then give them 7 days to acknowledge receipt - also send a copy to your local MP, you could also include a copy to the fire safety officer at your local fire station.

Ideally the letter should be written, to a director of the company that acts as the landlord.

Duty of Care are the magic words.

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[beldazar]

yeah, well said..
I would dread to think of the disaster which could happen, if exiting a burning building only to be confronted by a door mat..
i sends shivers down my spine just thinking about tit!

hahaha, yes these doormats are really scary buggers :D

[smoke n mirrors]

No, they will ban smoking outright. And I fully want this to happen but taxes on those things are a solid gold cash cow, so getting the gov to consider killing their golden goose means that it may never happen.

First they came for the smoker, then they came for the fat people, then they came for the slightly chubby people. When they came for the people with their heads up their arse - there was no one left to stand up for them!

Where is the out right proof, that unadulterated natural tobacco products are a cause of major illness?

I would imagine you are more likely to get cancer, from a glades air freshener and other spurious chemicals in the atmosphere. Before inhaling smoke produced from pure untreated tobacco.

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[deadskinball]

Where is the out right proof, that unadulterated natural tobacco products are a cause of major illness?

I smell a smoker!

Its not the tobacoo that causes cancer. Its the additives and outright crap they put in them that increases (dramatically in unfiltered) the suseptability towards getting cancer.

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as untainted tobacco for the common joe so getting rid of the stench and health risks to others is good practice. As you probably know, no one gives a fuck about you chosing to smoke (thats if you do), alot of people give a fuck about being in the presence of a smoker, the smoke making them smell, and the risk to their own health by being in the same room (or downwind).

A smoker crys that the law is limiting them like its an oppression. That is NOT the case. The law is encroaching on peoples habit because that very habit is affecting other people negatively (esp. children growing up with a smoker).

[smoke n mirrors]

I smell a smoker!

Its not the tobacoo that causes cancer. Its the additives and outright crap they put in them that increases (dramatically in unfiltered) the suseptability towards getting cancer.

Ah so smoking tobacco is not the cause? If the additives and crap are the issue, then surely the campaign should be to remove the crap. The filter is probably the worst component as it sheds non organic micro particles.

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as untainted tobacco for the common joe so getting rid of the stench and health risks to others is good practice. As you probably know, no one gives a fuck about you chosing to smoke (thats if you do), alot of people give a fuck about being in the presence of a smoker, the smoke making them smell, and the risk to their own health by being in the same room (or downwind).

1st Bold: Humm Maybe thats the issue that needs to be addressed right there.

2nd Bold: Errr No I don't. Contradiction? I do.

A smoker crys that the law is limiting them like its an oppression. That is NOT the case. The law is encroaching on peoples habit because that very habit is affecting other people negatively (esp. children growing up with a smoker).

In my experience statute law, is all about limiting and oppression regardless of the group the law is applied to. Its not very difficult avoid smoke if it offends one so much. Its a wonder there's anyone left cancer free, who lived through the 40's too late 90's - what with all the direct and indirect exposure to deadly smoke at the time.


Maybe it would be better to demand the supply of a natural product - rather than embarking on a ban fest.

Oppression has to start somewhere. Once it starts it's very difficult to stop.
Lets hope you're perfect and conformist enough, that changes never effect you or your loved ones.

IMHO banning smoking is playing with fire.

We seem to be wandering way off topic.
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[lizzy]

headline.......

Smokers to lose Parental Rights.

[deem]

headline.......

Smokers to lose Parental Rights.

Then smokers should avoid registering their child till the childs 18th birthday then the government cant say shit. Parents that register their children have no parental rights, your child belongs to the government. The birth cert and marriage cert, hands over legal ownership of your vassel/child to tptb.

[lizzy]

Then smokers should avoid registering their child till the childs 18th birthday then the government cant say shit. Parents that register their children have no parental rights, your child belongs to the government. The birth cert and marriage cert, hands over legal ownership of your vassel/child to tptb.

Thanks deem.....the while thing could collapse tomorrow if everyone knew this.;)

[smoke n mirrors]

headline.......

Smokers to lose Parental Rights.

Give it a year and the headline will be overweight people lose parental rights. :rolleyes:

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[deadskinball]

To say that tobacco causes cancer is the same as living causes cancer.

If tobacco causes cancer then 100% of smokers should get cancer.

...and as you all know that is not the case.

Tobacco increases your chance of getting cancer just like alot of things in day to day living will increase the chance of getting it.

[deem]

Thanks deem.....the while thing could collapse tomorrow if everyone knew this.;)

This is how the Amish communities in america live, and why the government has no jurisdiction in their affairs. They live as a soveriegn people.:D

[smoke n mirrors]

This is how the Amish communities in america live, and why the government has no jurisdiction in their affairs. They live as a soveriegn people.:D

Unfortunately the Amish get interfered with by the caring, sharing nanny state from time to time. I believe they have recently had a run in, with the government over agricultural laws regarding their cattle. I think the final out come was - that they will have to microchip their cattle in the future as its the new policy. Why they need to force them to chip their animals, when they already have giant yellow tags, degrading them is beyond me.

It appears the crime gang (government), like to give everyone a nudge every now and then, as a gentle reminder that the bully hasn't left the play ground.

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[deem]

Unfortunately the Amish get interfered with by the caring, sharing nanny state from time to time. I believe they have recently had a run in, with the government over agricultural laws regarding their cattle. I think the final out come was - that they will have to microchip their cattle in the future as its the new policy. Why they need to force them to chip their animals, when they already have giant yellow tags, degrading them is beyond me.

It appears the crime gang (government), like to give everyone a nudge every now and then, as a gentle reminder that the bully hasn't left the play ground.

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Yeh, the crime gang cant leave anyone alone. They make the rules and are always the first to renage on them.