Your Higher Self is about experience only!

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I am starting this thread to bring up a few points for David Icke members.
David Icke members are always taking about the injustice of our World and not looking at things from a broader spiritual perspective.
Here are some facts.
1. Your Higher Self incarnates simultaneously for different experiences.
2. We are living in a dark sector of the galaxy.
Take Margaret Thatcher for example.
People HATE this woman because of the havoc that she bought to this nation and to poor people.
Regardless of what people say, The Higher Self created that Incarnational strand (who lived as Thatcher) to experience the life of a leader and to live from that unique perspective.
You can count on Thatcher's Higher Self to be fair and to create an Incarnational strand where it is living in poverty and on the receiving end of a leader who only sees things from their point of their view.
The problem with David Icke devotees is that they see things from a lightsider perspective and want to change the rules of The Game.
We sometimes curse our position and the lives of other people, not realizing that the Higher Selves that created those lives only see them as experiences.
If this is the case, why are people on this forum taking themselves and the World so seriously?
A Higher Self wants to experience all polarities (good/bad, rich/poor, straight/gay, capitalist/socialist, leader/follower, pretty/ugly, strong/weak, famous/joe public etc) and that is the ONLY reason for its Incarnations on Earth and not to correct The Game.
The very people who hate Thatcher should try to see if they can look at ALL of their lives in Simultaneous Time and they will see that they were a cold hearted leader who saw the lesser well off as undeserving also.
NOTHING except the Graduation will stop the polarity that you hate, so there is no point in hating anything and to simply see this World as a stage where actors (Incarnational strands) are acting on behalf of their superior (Higher Self) to gain experience.
David Icke is a lightsider who is encouraging people to waste their time in challenging The Game and any attempts at challenging the The Game will be met with defeat.
Your goal is to get the experiences that your Higher Self needs and then leave, forget about the chaos all around you, none of this is your problem.
Let us not forger that there are OVER FIVE BILLION Minion Incarnations on Earth today and they don't even have a Higher Self.
Be not concerned with the state of things, or the various polarities (which are now filled with Minions), instead be concerned with what your Higher Self requires and how to improve your own life.
I feel that this message is long overdue and I am glad that I got around to posting it.
I hope that you all take heed of my words and shape your life around this truth.
yours thankfully
John

[arty2000]

imo thats the long and short of it:D... its what we choose to manifest and when...we are not only the hitlers but the ghandis....nice post:)

[les_paul_robot]

Hmmm. A lot to think about. Thanks MM.

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I'd like to respond to the following people.
arty2000...........

imo thats the long and short of it... its what we choose to manifest and when...we are not only the hitlers but the ghandis....nice post

These experiences are not even about karma (which is a myth of the Game) rather it is simply experiencing the different polarities simultaneously.
les_paul_robot..........

Hmmm. A lot to think about. Thanks MM.

Look at it like this, this is a World of polarity.
Your Higher Self is a complete and whole entity, yet it simply participates in the polarity Game to experience every polarity simultaneously (hence all of your lives are taking place right now).
The polarities are set in stone, they will always be here, yet this is EXACTLY why the Higher Self participates in it.
It is not the goal of the Incarnation strand in human form to correct the World but rather to experience whatever the Higher Self has mandated that it experiences.
David Icke is experiencing a lifetime as a lightsider who seeks to challenge The Game, this is a valid experience for his Higher Self.
However, the Icke book readers should go beyond his mantra of "lets come together and change things" because that won't happen.
The Darksiders are tryng to sequentalize this World and eliminate all diversity, yet even they will be beaten in this quest.
The agenda of the Icke book reader is to change things, yet the agenda of that person's Higher Self is to experience.
It is best to follow the path of the superior (The Higher Self) rather than think that you (the Incarnation) know best.
yours thankfully
John

[arty2000]

I agree...karma is just a tool that the current occupants of power use...part of the game:)

[1977]

You believe this because you read it in a book. It does not necessarily make it true.

[ex sheep]

OK Batman, there are over 5 billion minnows out there driving buses, serving big macs, sweeping the streets, bank managers etc.
So how do we know who those minnows are without a higher self, are they easy to spot, could I be one ?

[runciter]

You believe this because you read it in a book. It does not necessarily make it true.

also, the minions theory is pure elitist brainwashing (sorry john, but i have to say it).

[itsallinus]

You believe this because you read it in a book. It does not necessarily make it true.

Truth comes from looking within does it not? All the answers are in each and every one of us. Having looking within, connected to my higher self and been shown this to be true, as much as anything can be conceived of as being true, MM is spot on. This is his truth and it is my truth. I have only read the matrix books 1-4, I have however been astral projecting, meditating and researching all my life. This is not just info in one book..

[alienbeat]

Anytime you talk about the meaning of life it's pretty much all about speculation and intuition but...

my intuition tells my this may be the worst theory I've ever read.

There's nothing to debate though because, again, it's all about intuition and speculation, I don't see how this topic can be debated logically.

[itsallinus]

also, the minions theory is pure elitist brainwashing (sorry john, but i have to say it).

How do you come to that conclusion? Any proof of such a claim? I find it quite easy to spot most and more complecated to spot others.

[rodin]

Your highest self is serving others not your highest yourself. In my case by divining truth and exposing deception. Best i can

[alienbeat]

also, the minions theory is pure elitist brainwashing (sorry john, but i have to say it).

Is that theory the same as the red dress program/organic portal theory?

[alienbeat]

How do you come to that conclusion? Any proof of such a claim? I find it quite easy to spot most and more complecated to spot others.

There's no proof for any of this. Anyone who attempts to have a logical debate about such matters is a fool, imho.

[ex sheep]

Anytime you talk about the meaning of life it's pretty much all about speculation and intuition but...

my intuition tells my this may be the worst theory I've ever read.

There's nothing to debate though because, again, it's all about intuition and speculation, I don't see how this topic can be debated logically.

:D

[runciter]

Is that theory the same as the red dress program/organic portal theory?

i don't know, but they're probably based on the same view of reality and humanity :(

[arty2000]

Anytime you talk about the meaning of life it's pretty much all about speculation and intuition but...

my intuition tells my this may be the worst theory I've ever read.

There's nothing to debate though because, again, it's all about intuition and speculation, I don't see how this topic can be debated logically.

its been said that one mans treasure is another mans trash:)

how has logic served humanity throughout the millenia;)?
maybe its time to set aside logic (a construct of the mind)
for a moment and perceive things in a different way...truth they say is in the eye of the beholder:D

[alienbeat]

its been said that one mans treasure is another mans trash:)

how has logic served humanity throughout the millenia;)?
maybe its time to set aside logic (a construct of the mind)
for a moment and perceive things in a different way...truth they say is in the eye of the beholder:D

There's still no debate then. I think you're saying that we have to decide what's right individually, using our own intuition.

IMHO, you can't have a debate without using logic.

I agree with you though, there's no place for debate on this topic. I think you're saying everyone has to use their intuition to decide what's true and I agree with that too.

[ex sheep]

I would still like to find out how you can tell the minnows(without the you know what's) from the big fish. http://www.unixboard.de/vb3/images/smilies/sm-nachdenk.gif

[arty2000]

There's still no debate then. I think you're saying that we have to decide what's right individually, using our own intuition.

IMHO, you can't have a debate without using logic.

I agree with you though, there's no place for debate on this topic. I think you're saying everyone has to use their intuition to decide what's true and I agree with that too.

:)....enjoy your journey

[codie]

I would still like to find out how you can tell the minnows(without the you know what's) from the big fish. http://www.unixboard.de/vb3/images/smilies/sm-nachdenk.gif


Me too :)

[ex sheep]

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4022/fishmlt0ha.gifhttp://danishbits.org/pic/smilies/fish.gif

[ibaster]

I thought Maggie Thatcher was a lizard monster though. She looks like one and acts like one. You saying that she is also a lovely sweet lady who offers the poor milk for their children?

[kweli]

OK Batman, there are over 5 billion minnows out there driving buses, serving big macs, sweeping the streets, bank managers etc.
So how do we know who those minnows are without a higher self, are they easy to spot, could I be one ?

Why the majority live on council estates didn't you know? After reading moral mans posts in this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78275 I believe he talks absolute crap!

Quote MM: "You hate the fact that I am right about the majority of council estate dwellers, they are irredeemable scumbags."

Quote MM: "you defend council estate vermin because you come from a council estate.
It is a bit like a Muslim defending Bin Laden because they are the same religion."

[ex sheep]

Why the majority live on council estates didn't you know? After reading moral mans posts in this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78275 I believe he talks absolute crap!

Quote MM: "You hate the fact that I am right about the majority of council estate dwellers, they are irredeemable scumbags."

Quote MM: "you defend council estate vermin because you come from a council estate.
It is a bit like a Muslim defending Bin Laden because they are the same religion."

Oh well, I must be a minnow minion mini mouse without a higher self.



http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/2209/deprimetriste294230fr.gif

[geewhizz]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I am starting this thread to bring up a few points for David Icke members.
David Icke members are always taking about the injustice of our World and not looking at things from a broader spiritual perspective.
Here are some facts.
1. Your Higher Self incarnates simultaneously for different experiences.
2. We are living in a dark sector of the galaxy.
Take Margaret Thatcher for example.
People HATE this woman because of the havoc that she bought to this nation and to poor people.
Regardless of what people say, The Higher Self created that Incarnational strand (who lived as Thatcher) to experience the life of a leader and to live from that unique perspective.
You can count on Thatcher's Higher Self to be fair and to create an Incarnational strand where it is living in poverty and on the receiving end of a leader who only sees things from their point of their view.
The problem with David Icke devotees is that they see things from a lightsider perspective and want to change the rules of The Game.
We sometimes curse our position and the lives of other people, not realizing that the Higher Selves that created those lives only see them as experiences.
If this is the case, why are people on this forum taking themselves and the World so seriously?
A Higher Self wants to experience all polarities (good/bad, rich/poor, straight/gay, capitalist/socialist, leader/follower, pretty/ugly, strong/weak, famous/joe public etc) and that is the ONLY reason for its Incarnations on Earth and not to correct The Game.
The very people who hate Thatcher should try to see if they can look at ALL of their lives in Simultaneous Time and they will see that they were a cold hearted leader who saw the lesser of as undeserving also.
NOTHING except the Graduation will stop the polarity that you hate, so there is no point in hating anything and to simply see this World as a stage where actors (Incarnational strands) are acting on behalf of their superior (Higher Self) to gain experience.
David Icke is a lightsider who is encouraging people to waste their time in challenging The Game and any attempts at challenging the The Game will be met with defeat.
Your goal is to get the experiences that your Higher Self needs and then leave, forget about the chaos all around you, none of this is your problem.
Let us not forger that there are OVER FIVE BILLION Minion Incarnations on Earth today and they don't even have a Higher Self.
Be not concerned with the state of things, or the various polarities (which are now filled with Minions), instead be concerned with what your Higher Self requires and how to improve your own life.
I feel that this message is long overdue and I am glad that I got around to posting it.
I hope that you all take heed of my words and shape your life around this truth.
yours thankfully
John

David Icke is well aware of the Game. He spreads his (lightsider, as you call it) message not to end the Game, but to end the Manipulation that encroaches into our daily experience.

You see MM, its not just about experience for the HS, the end game is for the HS to manifest in the game for Ultra experience. I feel that I have 90% communication and insertion of my HS.

[arty2000]

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4022/fishmlt0ha.gifhttp://danishbits.org/pic/smilies/fish.gif

me too....hey those arent minnows or minions

this is a minion...

http://www.dqshrine.com/dq/dq4/minion.jpg

[ex sheep]

"The truth is that the majority of people are Soulless and are actually Minion Incarnations (animal spirits in human form)."


Soulless as well :eek:
Case closed

[kweli]

Oh well, I must be a minnow minion mini mouse without a higher self.



http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/2209/deprimetriste294230fr.gif

Don't be sad ex sheep, if this is how 'higher self humans' act and behave, i prefer the minions anyday! :)

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I'd like to respond to the following people.
1977...........

You believe this because you read it in a book. It does not necessarily make it true.

Yes you are quite right.
Any information that is found in a book must be investigated for truth and the Matrix V trilogy passes the test in most aspects of spiritual investigation.
I am sure that the Higher Self that created the Incarnation known as Christopher Hitchens has also created an Incarnational strand that is a believer in God.
A skeptic are valid incarnations as well.
ex sheep...........

OK Batman, there are over 5 billion minnows out there driving buses, serving big macs, sweeping the streets, bank managers etc.
So how do we know who those minnows are without a higher self, are they easy to spot, could I be one ?

I suggest you read the Matrix V trilogy for more information on Minion Incarnations.
Minion Incarnations are group oriented and animalistic.

Oh well, I must be a minnow minion mini mouse without a higher self.

Just because a person lives on a council estate doesn't make them a Minion.
I am of the view that Minion Incarnations and low level Higher Selves fill these dirt poor places.
Some other Higher Selves who are more advanced will be born into these places for one reason or another, the main reason would be to mainly leave such a place and go beyond it.
Runciter...........

also, the minions theory is pure elitist brainwashing (sorry john, but i have to say it).

The Minion "theory" as you put it was first discovered by Robert Monroe and further elaborated on by the Author of Matrix V.
Here are some facts.
1. The animal species are dying out at the same time that the human population is spiralling out of control.
2. Most humans are simply group oriented and not individual, animals are group species.
3. Society is more animalistic than ever with the new population, read a newspaper.
It is blatantly obvious that the Minion "theory" as you describe it is FACT.
You need to get your head out of the clouds.
itsallinus.........

Truth comes from looking within does it not? All the answers are in each and every one of us. Having looking within, connected to my higher self and been shown this to be true, as much as anything can be conceived of as being true, MM is spot on. This is his truth and it is my truth. I have only read the matrix books 1-4, I have however been astral projecting, meditating and researching all my life. This is not just info in one book..

Thank you very much for your kind and constructive comments.
The Matrix V trilogy is the ultimate collection of books on the subject that we hold so dear to our hearts, The Author is a Finaol incarnation and a former student of the Monroe Institute.
In my view, these are the best books in the field of the alternative media.
If you are interested in political conspiracies, then Icke's books are the best for that.
If you are interested in spiritual information and the Whys of the political conspiracies explained by Icke, then the Matrix V trilogy are the best for that.
alienbeat...........

Anytime you talk about the meaning of life it's pretty much all about speculation and intuition but...

my intuition tells my this may be the worst theory I've ever read.

There's nothing to debate though because, again, it's all about intuition and speculation, I don't see how this topic can be debated logically.

You obviously lack knowledge in this particular field.
Please read the Matrix V trilogy and then you'll understand the viewpoints more clearly.

Is that theory the same as the red dress program/organic portal theory?

No.
The Organic Portal theory was created by Laura Knight-Jadczyk.
I consider the Cassiopaea material to be channelling of the lowest standard possible.
I am of the viewpoint that this woman and her channelling should be ignored.
She basically copied the Serpent Seed theory and applied it to her material by calling them Organic Portals.
These Soulless beings among us are actually Minion Incarnations.
Both Bob Monroe and The Author of Matrix V discovered this truth about animal spirits incarnating as humans after thorough spiritual research.
ibaster...........


I thought Maggie Thatcher was a lizard monster though. She looks like one and acts like one. You saying that she is also a lovely sweet lady who offers the poor milk for their children?

I think that Margaret Thatcher was an arrogant woman who was used by the establishment and was then cast aside.
I remember David Icke saying that in an interview with George Noory a few years back.
kweli............

Why the majority live on council estates didn't you know? After reading moral mans posts in this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78275 I believe he talks absolute crap!

I feel that you should get over your sour grapes of living on a council estate.
Instead of getting angry with me, take the issue up with your Higher Self.
Do you honestly think that those people that live on your council estate care about you and your family?
They probably care in so far as they hope that you stick around so that they can rob you.
I am sure that if it is in your path, you will seek to remove yourself from the council estate.
Why don't you concern yourself with that goal instead of getting angry with me?
Geewhizz..........



David Icke is well aware of the Game. He spreads his (lightsider, as you call it) message not to end the Game, but to end the Manipulation that encroaches into our daily experience.

You see MM, its not just about experience for the HS, the end game is for the HS to manifest in the game for Ultra experience. I feel that I have 90% communication and insertion of my HS.

David Icke continually seeks to challenge the Game, one time he said that we shouldn't put our wheelie bins out as a sign of civil disobedience!
The Higher Self sends forth Incarnational strands in all time periods, there is a Final Incarnation that has more power than the others.
As far as the Higher Self manifesting in the Game for the ultra experience?
I have no idea where you got that idea from, but it wasn't from the Matrix V trilogy.
You are another person who wants to have power over The Game and you know that this is not possible.
yours thankfully
John

[geewhizz]

MM David Icke continually seeks to challenge the Game, one time he said that we shouldn't put our wheelie bins out as a sign of civil disobedience!
The Higher Self sends forth Incarnational strands in all time periods, there is a Final Incarnation that has more power than the others.
As far as the Higher Self manifesting in the Game for the ultra experience?
I have no idea where you got that idea from, but it wasn't from the Matrix V trilogy.
You are another person who wants to have power over The Game and you know that this is not possible.
yours thankfully
John

Well if you think that the Game has absolute power over you, then its Game over (pardon the pun)

It is very symbolic of Neo in Matrix Revolutions with the 'Train Man'. The Train Man created his world and with this factor, he made the rules. Neo had no power over him. The only way to win the game is not to accept that its their reality but its yours, that is how M5 fails epically, None of the M5 material will even consider an internally created reality.

[beldazar]

You know, its not just the children that grow up in council estates that are in trouble really, These children may look to be suffering if they wear dirty clothes, walk barefoot or stay up late all night. The ones that cause a problem are seen outwardly as being a problem.

Its the ones born into posh families, cared for by a nanny, parents out socialising at dinner parties, business meetings, masked balls etc...whipped off to a boarding school as soon as the parents can get shot of them (imagine your child going to boarding school at 6 or 10! thats awful!) treated like a slave and maybe even buggered by their mates, but its ok, they dress smartly, talk properly, are polite, are educated....will get some high-flying job to keep up the posh standards.
But what has happened to them? they become big businessmen who are hell-bent on status, walking over anyone who gets in their way, become politicians and bugger little boys during their satanic ceremonies, but its ok, they arent out robbing anyone....:mad:

FFS John, do a bit of thinking. Ths book isnt doing you any favours, many people in ALL walks of life have had their souls ripped out. This can cause socio and psychopaths, many are the top businessmen and politicians.
The ones you see outwardly suffering are less of a danger than those with not a splinter of a soul left.

[kweli]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I'd like to respond to the following people.

kweli............



I feel that you should get over your sour grapes of living on a council estate.
Instead of getting angry with me, take the issue up with your Higher Self.
Do you honestly think that those people that live on your council estate care about you and your family?
They probably care in so far as they hope that you stick around so that they can rob you.
I am sure that if it is in your path, you will seek to remove yourself from the council estate.
Why don't you concern yourself with that goal instead of getting angry with me?
Geewhizz..........





I don't think, I know for sure! And as for sour grapes? quite the contrary, please read my response to you on this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1208405&postcount=21

Good luck in your quest! sounds like you're going to need it.

[kweli]

You know, its not just the children that grow up in council estates that are in trouble really, These children may look to be suffering if they wear dirty clothes, walk barefoot or stay up late all night. The ones that cause a problem are seen outwardly as being a problem.

Its the ones born into posh families, cared for by a nanny, parents out socialising at dinner parties, business meetings, masked balls etc...whipped off to a boarding school as soon as the parents can get shot of them (imagine your child going to boarding school at 6 or 10! thats awful!) treated like a slave and maybe even buggered by their mates, but its ok, they dress smartly, talk properly, are polite, are educated....will get some high-flying job to keep up the posh standards.
But what has happened to them? they become big businessmen who are hell-bent on status, walking over anyone who gets in their way, become politicians and bugger little boys during their satanic ceremonies, but its ok, they arent out robbing anyone....:mad:

FFS John, do a bit of thinking. Ths book isnt doing you any favours, many people in ALL walks of life have had their souls ripped out. This can cause socio and psychopaths, many are the top businessmen and politicians.
The ones you see outwardly suffering are less of a danger than those with not a splinter of a soul left.

Excellent points there bel.

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
In response to your comments.
Geewhizz.........

Well if you think that the Game has absolute power over you, then its Game over (pardon the pun)

The Higher Self will eventually graduate and we win The Game by realizing its deceptions and leaving it.
Our entire existance here will be seen as a victory when our Higher Self looks back on the experiences that Shim picked up through its Incarnational strands.

It is very symbolic of Neo in Matrix Revolutions with the 'Train Man'. The Train Man created his world and with this factor, he made the rules. Neo had no power over him. The only way to win the game is not to accept that its their reality but its yours, that is how M5 fails epically, None of the M5 material will even consider an internally created reality.

Your Higher Self creates your reality, you (the incarnation) experience what is required for this lifetime.
Again, you need to get over this need to challenge and recreate the game.
In fact, we do live different realities at once, look at the thread that I created about the Matrix V article entitled Alternative Universes and The Graduation Key.
1. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78246
Your constructive comments on the article would be welcomed.

You know, its not just the children that grow up in council estates that are in trouble really, These children may look to be suffering if they wear dirty clothes, walk barefoot or stay up late all night. The ones that cause a problem are seen outwardly as being a problem.

I totally agree.
I am of the opinion that these low class families are low level and Minion Incarnations for the most part.
However, you will find low level incarnations and Minions incarnations everywhere.

Its the ones born into posh families, cared for by a nanny, parents out socialising at dinner parties, business meetings, masked balls etc...whipped off to a boarding school as soon as the parents can get shot of them (imagine your child going to boarding school at 6 or 10! thats awful!) treated like a slave and maybe even buggered by their mates, but its ok, they dress smartly, talk properly, are polite, are educated....will get some high-flying job to keep up the posh standards.
But what has happened to them? they become big businessmen who are hell-bent on status, walking over anyone who gets in their way, become politicians and bugger little boys during their satanic ceremonies, but its ok, they arent out robbing anyone....

I totally agree with what you are saying.
The upper classes no doubt have alot of darksiders.

FFS John, do a bit of thinking. Ths book isnt doing you any favours, many people in ALL walks of life have had their souls ripped out. This can cause socio and psychopaths, many are the top businessmen and politicians.
The ones you see outwardly suffering are less of a danger than those with not a splinter of a soul left.

There are lots of different scenarios for each Higher Self.
Minion Incarnations are EVERYWHERE and in all walks of life.
You know that the lower classes breed more and hence the Minions are mostly from this level of breeding.
Kweli.........

I don't think, I know for sure! And as for sour grapes? quite the contrary, please read my response to you on this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...5&postcount=21

Good luck in your quest! sounds like you're going to need it.

I will reply to your comments in that thread soon.
yours thankfully
John

[1977]

Robert Monroe claimed that animals would incarnate as humans, yes. AFAIK, he did not say that those people therefore had "no souls". One might actually come to just the opposite conclusion.

How do you come to that conclusion? Any proof of such a claim? I find it quite easy to spot most and more complecated to spot others.
Why do you think they are so obsessed with bloodlines? The Elites consider you no better than animals—the more "Angelic" blood they have, the better. From the thread "A Voice Track from an Elite Bloodline Insider (http://38.99.109.114/forum1/message513237/pg9)" (alleged):

It's sample If you are born with out a naval, its because you were conceived in an INCUBUS/SUCUBUS ritual. Meaning, no silver cord connection to the 3 ventricle of the brain and lower aorta of the heart, wherein lies the physical permanent atom.

NO SOUL.
this is the same crap bloodlines say to trick most of their children that the normal people who are oppressed are retarded creature who has missing chakras and weak DNA which are total lies,

you are brainwashing yourself with the same crap they brainwash their children with,

cease and be silent.

[les_paul_robot]

MM

Well if you think that the Game has absolute power over you, then its Game over (pardon the pun):D Pun of the month surely!

MM,
-The Game must be changing though. I don't think I'm imagining it that more and more people are waking up. And if it's possible to wake people up, then it's possible to change The Game, so the work of DI is not in vain.
-Even if minion incarnates have a group behaviour, it must be possible to awaken them as a group, like if you teach a classroom full of kids.

You'll be pleased to know my copy of M5 Episode 1 will be arriving soon.

PS: Do you think a woman who buys an infeasible amount of shoes is more likely to be a minion?

[michael christopher]

I'm sorry, but what you are prescribing is helplessness. We should not let injustice continue just because some higher self is experiencing it. Perhaps part of the game is to end the game.

Human potential does not exist inside of a box, it is limitless and free. The only rules are the ones you decide to follow.

Let us not forger that there are OVER FIVE BILLION Minion Incarnations on Earth today and they don't even have a Higher Self.

Talk like this is dangerous. Who gets to decide who is a minion incarnation? Sounds extremely elitist to me, and Matrix promotes this type of thinking, which is my main contention with it. So when does the enlightened one get to eradicate those 5 billion soulless minions from the planet? This sounds like an idea David Rothschild might have come up with to justify his own elitism - it's really no different than how knowledged Masonic families believe they are descendants of the 13 tribes of Israel and thus the rightful God-chosen rulers of this planet. It's insane thinking that degrades human life.

All of our lives are beautiful and worthy, even the evil lives are only experiences for these so-called "minions" which are in actuality just inexperienced souls.

Matrix brainwashes people into not fighting the system, waiting for "the game" to end, and believing they are one of the 17-18% of the planet that has a "real higher self." I call B.S., sorry.

[mysticmolly]

Well well well...OP....I have just made my way though this thread and talk about playing with fire....didn't you know you can't call anybody soulless etc...especially not on a forum?????

There is a series of books that promote this......who buys these books, the up themselves?

[nightingale]

I don't think you (original poster) should be so quick to call that the "truth", but I agree with some points.
Such as the idea that we experience multiple different incarnations simultaneously. I think that's a good possibility-- I personally believe in parallel/ multiple time lines.. that overlap and split off and merge occasionally and are always shifting.

I do also agree that human existence is in ways is a game, but not quite in the way you describe... I think there is much more to it, more than any of will ever know (in the state we're in now, anyway). I do NOT think that we should believe that life/existence/earth is some sort of grand and noble school, where we have to reincarnate and suffer endlessly for some unknown purpose. This is not the way it's supposed to be. Some vile thing or force leaked into our world and hijacked it. It's their game and we're the pawns.

People can babble on about "Enlightenment" and "ascension" and channeling aliens and so on all they want.. but it will not magically save us or make the world a paradise. I don't think anything can be accepted as truth in these times. I feel there's too much manipulation that goes on, too much smoke and illusion to see clearly.. And I HIGHLY doubt that all the illusions, and darkness that infiltrated our reality is merely the result of our own subconscious or whatever it is I've heard people saying. I think that's what They would like us to believe, however. (Not saying humans are perfect angels-- just saying that we weren't the ones that originally screwed up the planet/our reality.)

I don't think any person or any book has gotten it right yet. But I think we all know the truth on a deeper level, that we don't have access to due to the restraints of the fantasy factory we're stuck in (just my own gut feeling). But perhaps I'm just pessimistic.

Be not concerned with the state of things, or the various polarities (which are now filled with Minions), instead be concerned with what your Higher Self requires and how to improve your own life.

I wish it were that simple.

[pinkfreud]

The problem with David Icke devotees is that they see things from a lightsider perspective and want to change the rules of The Game.

We sometimes curse our position and the lives of other people, not realizing that the Higher Selves that created those lives only see them as experiences.
If this is the case, why are people on this forum taking themselves and the World so seriously?

A Higher Self wants to experience all polarities (good/bad, rich/poor, straight/gay, capitalist/socialist, leader/follower, pretty/ugly, strong/weak, famous/joe public etc) and that is the ONLY reason for its Incarnations on Earth and not to correct The Game.

Be not concerned with the state of things, or the various polarities (which are now filled with Minions), instead be concerned with what your Higher Self requires and how to improve your own life.


hey john,

just to address those points you raised... i understand the Matrix perspective, but i have to wonder whether 'doing nothing' amounts to apathy to some degree.

we are aware of what's happening currently, but does that mean we just 'experience' this life and do nothing about it? how would that then, differentiate our higher selves from the so called 'minions' who tend to be apathetic towards such issues and just veer towards being fatalistic and let their lives take its course?

an 'awakening' to me is symbolic of your Self gaining knowledge and using it to better oneself; it's very easy to be learned about something, but even more difficult to translate that knowledge into action. if you don't do anything in your power to safeguard your 'spiritual rights', how would it help you in the long run?

i just want to basically know how an 'experience' from the M5 perspective is different from the minion trait of being apathetic. in the near future, if your govt. propagates a mandatory chipping law, are you supposed to fight it (lightsider), or just let it be? how would your 'experience' have a deeper meaning then?




Most humans are simply group oriented and not individual, animals are group species.



i always thought the theory of 'man being a social animal' was flawed to a certain degree. this would perhaps be apt to describe a 'minion' society- so a higher incarnation is not social in the conventional sense, i'm guessing?

[measle_weasel]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I am starting this thread to bring up a few points for David Icke members.
David Icke members are always taking about the injustice of our World and not looking at things from a broader spiritual perspective.

Mortal perspective is inherently subjective.

Here are some facts.

According to your subjective perspective. As such, they may very well NOT be facts in accordance with others unique perspectives. For you to assume that your subjective perspective is representative of the immutable, objective truth (assuming there is one), is naive at best.

1. Your Higher Self incarnates simultaneously for different experiences.
2. We are living in a dark sector of the galaxy.
Take Margaret Thatcher for example.
People HATE this woman because of the havoc that she bought to this nation and to poor people.
Regardless of what people say, The Higher Self created that Incarnational strand (who lived as Thatcher) to experience the life of a leader and to live from that unique perspective.
You can count on Thatcher's Higher Self to be fair and to create an Incarnational strand where it is living in poverty and on the receiving end of a leader who only sees things from their point of their view.
The problem with David Icke devotees is that they see things from a lightsider perspective and want to change the rules of The Game.
We sometimes curse our position and the lives of other people, not realizing that the Higher Selves that created those lives only see them as experiences.
If this is the case, why are people on this forum taking themselves and the World so seriously?
A Higher Self wants to experience all polarities (good/bad, rich/poor, straight/gay, capitalist/socialist, leader/follower, pretty/ugly, strong/weak, famous/joe public etc) and that is the ONLY reason for its Incarnations on Earth and not to correct The Game.
The very people who hate Thatcher should try to see if they can look at ALL of their lives in Simultaneous Time and they will see that they were a cold hearted leader who saw the lesser well off as undeserving also.
NOTHING except the Graduation will stop the polarity that you hate, so there is no point in hating anything and to simply see this World as a stage where actors (Incarnational strands) are acting on behalf of their superior (Higher Self) to gain experience.


Any evidence whatsoever to support these "facts"? Channeling, with its source and material being inherently unverifiable, doesnt count as evidence either, just in case you might have used that.

As I know you have no scientific evidence, surely you have some logical reasoning that can back up these claims that you state as fact?

David Icke is a lightsider who is encouraging people to waste their time in challenging The Game and any attempts at challenging the The Game will be met with defeat.
Your goal is to get the experiences that your Higher Self needs and then leave, forget about the chaos all around you, none of this is your problem.

Its honestly hard for me to believe that some folks really buy into this "just be passive and dont fight back, its the experience you need!" crap.

/sigh.

[mysticmolly]

Its honestly hard for me to believe that some folks really buy into this "just be passive and dont fight back, its the experience you need!" crap.

/sigh.

Yes all of these sites are saying the same thing...seems like a plan and when the time is right for it.......they will say "Here is your riot songs", now get going......we really are sheep..... are we falling for it yet again??????

[mind1universe]

Dear Friends



David Icke continually seeks to challenge the Game, one time he said that we shouldn't put our wheelie bins out as a sign of civil disobedience!
The Higher Self sends forth Incarnational strands in all time periods, there is a Final Incarnation that has more power than the others.
As far as the Higher Self manifesting in the Game for the ultra experience?
I have no idea where you got that idea from, but it wasn't from the Matrix V trilogy.
You are another person who wants to have power over The Game and you know that this is not possible.
yours thankfully
John

The game has as much power as you give it. The game has no use when it has no game player. It's not about having more power over "the game"


Your HS choosed the game for you to play out here and now.

That is it. No nonsense. The game is not some mystical whoa i'v got the powah. You can turn it off or on when you want and when you don't. Life is a game and it's about cooices. Again you decided what level and purpose you wanted before you came here. The higher dimensions of reality and beyond the physical is not as it programmes these realities or the game if you will.;)


Good luck.

[alienbeat]

Its honestly hard for me to believe that some folks really buy into this "just be passive and dont fight back, its the experience you need!" crap.


Seeing all the posters in here agreeing with this theory makes me realize that many of the posters here are further from the truth than I thought.

[the om]

Seeing all the posters in here agreeing with this theory makes me realize that many of the posters here are further from the truth than I thought.

While I agree to a certain extent, you have to realize that its in the cards for some people to be fighters in this incarnation. Thats what they need to experience now, and no one can say that thats not right. :)

[runciter]

While I agree to a certain extent, you have to realize that its in the cards for some people to be fighters in this incarnation. Thats what they need to experience now, and no one can say that thats not right. :)

the problem with this kind of "wisdom" is that it was created to preserve the status quo.

they may need to experience it now, in the present, but the incarnation thing is mind control.

[runciter]

Robert Monroe claimed that animals would incarnate as humans, yes. AFAIK, he did not say that those people therefore had "no souls". One might actually come to just the opposite conclusion.

one man's trip is not another man's reality, unless he can merge the two worlds.

Why do you think they are so obsessed with bloodlines? The Elites consider you no better than animals—the more "Angelic" blood they have, the better. From the thread "A Voice Track from an Elite Bloodline Insider (http://38.99.109.114/forum1/message513237/pg9)" (alleged):

but angelic blood is not human, probably reptoid, so if they're right they're half beasts.

[rodin]

Yes all of these sites are saying the same thing...

Generally this is true - Zeitgeist is manufactured and projected full spectrum. The Cake is a Lie.

[boots]

To read 1 book and make an assessment on the higher self, is just tunnel vision.

Here is my theory. The higher self is a passive observer, who is there to assist, when called upon. It our conscious mind that creates our reality.

MM you have not taken into account the volution of free will.

Here is a message someone received from a group soul. It doen't bask in duality. This world has ahd enough of that shit. It time to make changes.

Quote:


" We care". "WE are those who care". "Those that care care deeply and strongly, and blame is beside the point with us. We do not define the work as the meting out of just desserts. For those who seek to find an adversary, we long for wider and more thorough view, and for those who fear, we long for peace. Jump they said jump up to the level of the heart"

It's time to drop the old clothes.

[grenadene]

Oh well, I must be a minnow minion mini mouse without a higher self.



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Me too honeybunch :) ... which is just as well, because trekking up the stairs to MM's ivory tower everyday would get to be a bit of a drag.

Mr Moral Man, in all seriousness, I appreciate that you are an intelligent guy but after reading the OP I'm finding many of your points are obscured by what a can only describe as a massive ego....

Also you seem to be confusing cultural capital with spiritual evolution....? Don't waste your gift of 'macro-vision' on buffing up one's own superiority :)

[grenadene]

Yes all of these sites are saying the same thing...seems like a plan and when the time is right for it.......they will say "Here is your riot songs", now get going......we really are sheep..... are we falling for it yet again??????

We shall all end up loving big brother.... by far the most scary concept in 1984.

[mysticmolly]

We shall all end up loving big brother.... by far the most scary concept in 1984.

You're right...wow now that is spooky, they have us all preoccupied on these sites and controlled on them and all the while they are getting away with murder.....

My aviator or whatever you all call them, is one of them on the Notre Dame Cathedral over looking all he owns.... over looking Paris...laughing at us you see... That is what gargoyles are..... statues of them but most do not look that much like them.....

[love life]

We are first and foremost spiritual beings having a physical experience.

Our Inner Being (or Soul) is not limited in any way in its desire to experience Itself, this includs multiple incarnations at any one `time'.

Time is not a linear experience. All of or Inner Being's incarnations are happening now, and we can consciously draw upon the experiences of these via simple processes.

We believe that this experience is it because this is where we choose to focus our attention, and for numerous practicle reasons, but when in our original state we never intended to be as myopic as many human beings seem to be in this time-space reality.

As a result of this our conscious mind has taken charge of `the ship'.

Our subconscious mind is `the ship'.

I could go on but I need lunch.

[arty2000]

Mortal perspective is inherently subjective.



According to your subjective perspective. As such, they may very well NOT be facts in accordance with others unique perspectives. For you to assume that your subjective perspective is representative of the immutable, objective truth (assuming there is one), is naive at best.



Any evidence whatsoever to support these "facts"? Channeling, with its source and material being inherently unverifiable, doesnt count as evidence either, just in case you might have used that.

As I know you have no scientific evidence, surely you have some logical reasoning that can back up these claims that you state as fact?



Its honestly hard for me to believe that some folks really buy into this "just be passive and dont fight back, its the experience you need!" crap.

/sigh.

if by being passive you mean manifesting love instead of hate in your heart...becomming aware that this mind/body construct is a vehicle to experience and you are eternal and that no one has power over you and this so called matrix of duality is an illusion that you chose to participate in and there is no seperation only oneness...you become a beacon for positive energy and when you speak to others you come from a place of love and peace...you can offer them your hand,pass on information whether they accept or not is their choice...and if someone chooses a different path then you so be it....if this is passive Im all for it:D

enjoy your journey:)

[itsallinus]

if by being passive you mean manifesting love instead of hate in your heart...becomming aware that this mind/body construct is a vehicle to experience and you are eternal and that no one has power over you and this so called matrix of duality is an illusion that you chose to participate in and there is no seperation only oneness...you become a beacon for positive energy and when you speak to others you come from a place of love and peace...you can offer them your hand,pass on information whether they accept or not is their choice...and if someone chooses a different path then you so be it....if this is passive Im all for it:D

enjoy your journey:)

Well said arty ;):)

[arty2000]

While I agree to a certain extent, you have to realize that its in the cards for some people to be fighters in this incarnation. Thats what they need to experience now, and no one can say that thats not right. :)

:)

[the om]

the problem with this kind of "wisdom" is that it was created to preserve the status quo.

they may need to experience it now, in the present, but the incarnation thing is mind control.

How so? I mean, the status quo thing I can kinda see, but how is the incarnation thing mind control? :confused:

[arty2000]

Well said arty ;):)

:):D

[runciter]

How so? I mean, the status quo thing I can kinda see, but how is the incarnation thing mind control? :confused:

you get somehow lost in the abyss of time, and in the end there's no way to prove it, it's a belief system.

also, it makes you accept the idea of death as something inevitable, while it may very well be part of the "illusion".

[the om]

you get somehow lost in the abyss of time, and in the end there's no way to prove it, it's a belief system.

also, it makes you accept the idea of death as something inevitable, while it may very well be part of the "illusion".

I guess I can see what you mean there.

[itsallinus]

I like to see death as a process. It is an illusion and an experience. Having no fear of death or losing all that you know 'yourself' to be, can give you peace as well as power. Birth is a painful and stressful experience that we all went through but you could also view it as the first experience of death, kinda, as your life inside the womb came to a painful end.

[lordzoma]

In regards to the comment of referring to minions as 'soulless' I will repost a message I recently posted in the "Ask me anything" thread.

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What you refer to as a soul, we will call Higher Selfs.

When Higher Selfs choose to enter the galaxy, they choose a path. They can incarnate as physical beings (like people, wolfmen, reptile men, insect men, etc) in the incarnational path, or they can choose the nature path and incarnate as planets, starts, etc.

While the incarnational path has to go through sequential and simultaneous incarnation to exit the 'game' the nature path has its own incarnations it needs to go through to exit.

Normally on planets you will have all sentient beings inhabited by a higher self spirit. The body gets created with the intention of a higher self becoming the bodies inhabitant.

In the case of a simultaneous planet like Earth, the human body is created en masse to the point of there being more bodies than are necessary for higher selves to incarnate. In the simultaneous game, a higher self is only going to have to incarnate so many times before it can graduate.

A dog or a cat is incarnated by a portion of the spirit of the planet the animal resides on. The higher self in the nature path would incorporate a part of its spirit into all living creatures on the planet that aren't incarnated by an incarnational higher self.

If a human body is born and there is no higher self (either simultanaeous or sequential) that wants to incarnate it, the nature spirit of the planet will give the human body life and incarnate within it.

The nickname used for a body that normally hosts a higher self but is forced to be incarnated by the planetary spirit is a 'minion'. In this case that persons soul is a portion of the planetary spirit.

A living human body cannot exist without a soul essence inside of it. Otherwise it would be dead. Since no higher self, be it simultaneous like you or I, or sequential like other sentient life in the galaxy, chooses to incarnate in it, the planetary spirit gives it life with its essence and the body becomes a minion.

So any human body that has neither a higher self or the nature spirit in it would be dead.

This potentially holds the same for any other type of biological life.

Should a planet have no planetary spirit within it, life would not be able to exist on that planet. Should travellers go to that planet with a pregnant cat, when the cat gives birth to kittens, I would guess that the kittens would be born with the planetary spirit of the cat's homeworld. Born from the same energy.

In that sense, no living creature, animal or plant, can be without a soul.

Should someone have no simultaneous higher self within it, or no planetary spirit within it, that person would not be alive. If they were alive, they would need some spirit within them functioning for them. In this case another spirit would need to be inside of that person giving them life.

All astral entities are either sequential higher selves that have no body, incarnations of the planetary spirit that aren't physical and are pure energy, or simultaneous souls that have gone into the astral and are waiting for the final incarnation to die.

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Many people will find the nature of being an observer rather than an active polarity based participator in the game to be against the grain of their spiritual perspective. Some of you have called it apathy, while others of you have said that it is in this way which the game wins.

These perspectives are born from incarnations who have not yet reached a level of spiritual advancement to recognize the benefit and necessity of taking on an observer oriented role.

Everyone who is reading this thread has already lived billions of years inside numerous incarnations as a sequentially incarnating life form. You simply cannot remember it. That enormous time span during which you played the game and manipulated others for whatever reasons and goals and agendas you had, have created the 'game' in which you now find yourselves, in the sense of having once been a part of those who now have societal power over you.

ALL simultaneous planets share particular things in common. They are not only the place where sequential higher selves can choose to incarnate simultaneously in order to advance spiritually, but they are also the places where sequential life will flock to in order to manipulate the simultaneous higher selves as much as possible in order to find a shortcut.

The entire 'game' that you see forming around you, in the sense of a drive towards the new world order, is nothing more than the organization and reconstruction of a select group 'The Orion Empire' in its return to this planet.

Make no mistake - any attempt you have at radically changing the nature of the game on this planet will be met with dismal failure. If for one minute you actually believe that a planetary rebellion is possible, with the hundred monkey syndrome accounting for a mass awakening of the minion spirits on this planet, the Orion empire will not think twice in simply destroying this planet.

The incarnational perspective of a human being that is born, remembers nothing of their past lives or time before incarnating as a human, and dies within a period of about 100 years, is just about as far away from the galactic NORM as you can possibly get.

All sentient life in the galaxy, upon death, enters the astral, and can choose the time and place of their incarnation back into the physical, and then recalls everything from their time in previous incarnations including their time spent in the astral.

Human beings in this regard, physically, are mosquitoes attempting to grasp at their power in a game that is far larger than they can remember. This planet, while it is the place where we can spiritually accelerate above and beyond the spiritual potential of any other sentient life in the galaxy, it is also the testing grounds upon which sequential higher selves are desperate to find a way to graduate the galaxy without having to go through simultaneous incarnation.

They are afraid of us. They fear the loss of memory as to them it is similar to death. They fear the loss of their power and the loss of their influence. Should any sequential not like a planet they are no, they can simply kill themselves, enter the astral, and go incarnate on a planet in a body halfway across the galaxy. A human being cannot do that. If a human being kills themselves, their consciousness will go into a focus level in the astral and remain there until all of that higher self's incarnations are finished living.

Reincarnation does not take place in a linear fashion. When you are born, your consciousness that you are currently experiencing doesn't magically shift over to another physical form. When you die you go into the astral to a place born of your own level of spiritual awareness. IF you think you are going to heaven, you will go to a heaven in the astral. If you think you are going to hell, you will go to a hell in the astral. If you believe in nothing whatsoever, you will go to a place of darkness where incarnations lay in darkness doing nothing until they are finished incarnating. If you have taken your power back and have reached a certain level of awareness you will be able to have control over where you go, and I would advise you head first to The Park, which is located on Focus Level 27.


Many people find the concept of recognizing the existence of minions as being elitist, or the concept of recognizing that each individual higher self incarnation is not as spiritually advanced as another as being elitist. It is not elitist, it is simply an observation of reality.

Those who consider it elitist to view certain individuals as being more spiritually advanced than another, are coming from a spiritually inferior position, and one could also say they are coming from the minion position.

Minions are group oriented, hive minded, and animalistic. This is so simply because their innate essence is born from the planetary spirit. The planetary spirit (in the case of Earth) is a single sentient being, that can incarnate in many different life forms, be it from entire groups of species, or energetic avatars of various elements reinforcing the planets control across the globe. The animals will think similarly, and their behavior will affect one another a'la the 100 monkey syndrome, simply because their consciousness is part of a group collective of energy designated by the planetary spirit to incarnate that particular physical form.

It is in this sense that clinging onto the right to life of endangered species goes against the natural progression of experience for the planet. Species are meant to grow, experience, flourish, and eventually go extinct. The planetary spirit would only wish to view the universe and experience the universe from a particular manifestation for a limited amount of time. The higher self of the planet has a similar goal in mind as we do, it is to experience as much as possible, before it is finished experiencing. Once the experience of a species is finished, the energy of that species is free to be moved onto another species so that it can continue to grow and experience for the planetary spirit.

In this respect it can be said that the goal of any species is to become extinct. It is only then that their experience is completely encapsulated and ready to be incorporated into something grander.

It is minion oriented to see all as equal and all as the same, but this is not so. There is a plethora of life forms experiencing life on this planet, and not all of them are equal.

There is an inherent means of identifying whether one is more advanced than another. To sequential life, it is by identifying how technologically advanced they are. This is because their spiritual path is the technological path of advancement. Those who have incarnated the longest and have experienced the most, most likely will be those who have advanced technologically the most.

In the case of simultaneous higher selves, it is not the technological path that we are on. The technological path can only go so far. It is through incarnating in many many physical beings with limited life spans simultaneously that we are able to experience the universe from completely unique viewpoints and therefore greatly accelerate our spiritual awareness and understanding of the universe.

If we incarnate 10,000 times, then it can be inferred that the first incarnation is the first one processed by the higher self, and the one with the least amount of spiritual awareness and experience. The final incarnation would be the one with the most spiritual understanding and awareness of the universe.

There is more innate information available to incarnations that are further down the line of spiritual advancement. The higher self will provide blocks to incarnations that have not progressed far enough for the higher self to warrant it certain experiences. Some people may never be able to initiate an out of body experience because the higher self does not want that incarnate to be able to experience it. Some people may never be able to get beyond their belief in an external god. Some people may never be able to fathom the existence of life other than what they directly see in front of them as described by the major media.

The primary obstacle standing in the way of spiritual advancement is the very obstacle that has been created in the galaxy that all other sequential life has been dealing with their entire existence. It is the obstacle of a polarized viewpoint of the galaxy. Service to self vs service to others. Light side vs Dark side.

Regardless of whether you, the reader's, spiritual advancement is at a point where you can actually recognize the polarities for what they are as being Light and Dark, they exist. Your opinions and your perspective of the galaxy does not affect the reality of the galaxy. Your opinions are merely a reflection of the level of spiritual advancement that you have attained, and so are mine.

The nature of spiritual advancement differing from incarnation to incarnation means that the observations of particular individuals is going to be more valuable than the observations of others. It also means that the overwhelming majority of observation is going to have a very difficult time accepting or grasping the fundamental truths of the galaxy, simply because to achieve that understanding one would have to be within their last 3-4 incarnations.

It is in this respect that forum conversations regarding M5 material is going to be abundantly filled with those of a lesser spiritual cut describing the information as useless, while still others will be able to see some gemstones for them to take.

The most important thing for YOU when dealing with this information, is to accept what you resonate with and leave the rest. Trust in your higher self.

[stockstalker]

What exactly does the OP thinks he means by "higher self" and "lower self". How exactly is one "self" "higher", or "lower" than the other? Does the "higher" self seriously thinks it is-------- better than the "lower" self to come up with such a label? Can you see the inherent flaw of logic, when a theory cannot make do without the use of the term, "higher" something?

Can you spot the flaw in the following quote from what I've just written?

The most important thing for YOU when dealing with this information, is to accept what you resonate with and leave the rest. Trust in your higher self.

Rather than using this false and highly arrogant term, all matrix theories should instead rely on: "all-knowing subconscious self" vs. "amnesic conscious self".

Also, if you read "Infinite Love is the Only Truth", D. Icke himself declared that when he first started, he was all about warning everyone about the Illuminati and trying to "save the world". But he's changed since then. In "Infinite Love", D. Icke himself said that now, when he writes a book, or gives a talk, he just does it for the sake of doing it. Hence, the present-day Icke is no longer a lightsaver.

[lordzoma]

Technically higher self is the appropriate term.

I don't have the time to break down dimensional physics for you in a full lecture but I will explain it to you in simplest terms.

0d = a point. It is the absence of dimension and sets up the matrix for physical reality.

1d = a line. x axis.

2d = a circle. y axis.

3d = a sphere. z axis.

In order to have physical reality, atoms and their locations and velocities, you would need a 3 dimensional matrix.

4d = time. temporal axis.

Once you reach time it becomes difficult for people to begin to form an understanding of the nature of the next sphere of reality.

In terms of visualization -

Take a sphere. Cut it in half and turn it 90 degrees. You will see a circle, because you have removed one of the dimensions.

Take a circle. Cut it in half and turn it 90 degrees. You will see a line. You have removed the y axis.

Take a line, cut it in half and turn it 90 degrees. You will see a point. You have completely removed its dimensions. A point is infinitely small and cannot be reduced any further. A point is a singularity.

The question for visualization is - what do you have to cut in half and turn 90 degrees in order to see a sphere?

To visualize it -- imagine an apple. You take a bite out of it and set it down. Slowly the white bite turns brown as time goes by.

If you were to take a slide photograph of the apple the moment you put it down, and took a slide every second that went by, and stopped when 2 hours went by - You would have a stack of slides of the apple slowly turning to brown from white.

If you cut the stack of slides in half and turned it on its side, you would see a single slide image from the middle of the stack.

Now replace the slide of the apple with the location and velocity of every atom in the physical universe and extend it forward and backward through time infinitely. You will have a time line.

Now 4d is more than just the comprehension of the previous and future movement of space. It also has a direct connection with energy.

It is also not linear in nature. 4d can be viewed as a density. 4d is the astral.

Around this planet are levels in the astral. The closest ones to physical reality are the lowest density. Then as you progress deeper into the astral you are at a higher density.

5d is a sphere of reality that is beyond the deepest depths of the astral and involves time and space in a different manner. At 5d polarities cease to exist and become perfectly blended.

Our true collection of energy rests in 5d reality. Strands (silver cords) extend down from our true collection of energy, and terminate in our energy residing in our physical bodies spread throughout time on the planet. Some are on the planet living, while others have 'died' and lost their physical body and their cord terminates in energy residing within one of the layers of the 4d astral around our planet. It is within those layers that the 'afterlife' exists, and it is within 4d astral that thought energy can manifest as reality and create objects and life forms that exist only as manifestations of that energy.

Because our physical reality is on 3d earth, and our energy body is also within 3d earth (though it exits our bodies and goes into the layers of 4d astral when we sleep and dream or go out of body) our true collection of energy can be viewed as 'Higher' as it is within a higher density and also higher dimension.

In terms of the Matrix 5 material it is referred to as our higher self. It is self, because it is the true you, rather than just the single energy body at the end of one of many cords extending into 3d and 4d. It is higher, because it exists in 5d which is a higher dimension. Therefore it can referred to as the higher self.

I hope this answers your questions.

When you suggest that the higher self is better than our individual incarnation, I would not agree. It is not in terms of better or worse. It is simply who you are.

Insofar as David Icke being a lightsider. "Infinite Love" is pure light side. Therefore anyone who pushes the "Infinite Love" mantra is pushing light side material. Whether or not that individual person is a lightsider is based on their own incarnation, and not necessarily the material they preach.

[geewhizz]

Technically higher self is the appropriate term.

I don't have the time to break down dimensional physics for you in a full lecture but I will explain it to you in simplest terms.

0d = a point. It is the absence of dimension and sets up the matrix for physical reality.

1d = a line. x axis.

2d = a circle. y axis.

3d = a sphere. z axis.

In order to have physical reality, atoms and their locations and velocities, you would need a 3 dimensional matrix.

4d = time. temporal axis.

Once you reach time it becomes difficult for people to begin to form an understanding of the nature of the next sphere of reality.

In terms of visualization -

Take a sphere. Cut it in half and turn it 90 degrees. You will see a circle, because you have removed one of the dimensions.

Take a circle. Cut it in half and turn it 90 degrees. You will see a line. You have removed the y axis.

Take a line, cut it in half and turn it 90 degrees. You will see a point. You have completely removed its dimensions. A point is infinitely small and cannot be reduced any further. A point is a singularity.

The question for visualization is - what do you have to cut in half and turn 90 degrees in order to see a sphere?

To visualize it -- imagine an apple. You take a bite out of it and set it down. Slowly the white bite turns brown as time goes by.

If you were to take a slide photograph of the apple the moment you put it down, and took a slide every second that went by, and stopped when 2 hours went by - You would have a stack of slides of the apple slowly turning to brown from white.

If you cut the stack of slides in half and turned it on its side, you would see a single slide image from the middle of the stack.

Now replace the slide of the apple with the location and velocity of every atom in the physical universe and extend it forward and backward through time infinitely. You will have a time line.

Now 4d is more than just the comprehension of the previous and future movement of space. It also has a direct connection with energy.

It is also not linear in nature. 4d can be viewed as a density. 4d is the astral.

Around this planet are levels in the astral. The closest ones to physical reality are the lowest density. Then as you progress deeper into the astral you are at a higher density.

5d is a sphere of reality that is beyond the deepest depths of the astral and involves time and space in a different manner. At 5d polarities cease to exist and become perfectly blended.

Our true collection of energy rests in 5d reality. Strands (silver cords) extend down from our true collection of energy, and terminate in our energy residing in our physical bodies spread throughout time on the planet. Some are on the planet living, while others have 'died' and lost their physical body and their cord terminates in energy residing within one of the layers of the 4d astral around our planet. It is within those layers that the 'afterlife' exists, and it is within 4d astral that thought energy can manifest as reality and create objects and life forms that exist only as manifestations of that energy.

Because our physical reality is on 3d earth, and our energy body is also within 3d earth (though it exits our bodies and goes into the layers of 4d astral when we sleep and dream or go out of body) our true collection of energy can be viewed as 'Higher' as it is within a higher density and also higher dimension.

In terms of the Matrix 5 material it is referred to as our higher self. It is self, because it is the true you, rather than just the single energy body at the end of one of many cords extending into 3d and 4d. It is higher, because it exists in 5d which is a higher dimension. Therefore it can referred to as the higher self.

I hope this answers your questions.

When you suggest that the higher self is better than our individual incarnation, I would not agree. It is not in terms of better or worse. It is simply who you are.

Insofar as David Icke being a lightsider. "Infinite Love" is pure light side. Therefore anyone who pushes the "Infinite Love" mantra is pushing light side material. Whether or not that individual person is a lightsider is based on their own incarnation, and not necessarily the material they preach.

Everything you speak of has an underlying base of classical Mathematics and Classical Physics.
ALL based on Rules and ALL based on 3D Minds. The Material World is nothing but a High spec virtual reality game and does not exist in the quantum world. M5 authors are materialists with a bit of Astral theory that is all.

[runciter]

In regards to the comment of referring to minions as 'soulless' I will repost a message I recently posted in the "Ask me anything" thread.

my question is: what's the difference between a bible believer and a matrix v believer?

they are both operative systems for empty minds and immature souls, both ask for blind faith.

how many human beings really become adult, from a spiritual point of view? spiritually independent?

[lordzoma]

my question is: what's the difference between a bible believer and a matrix v believer?

they are both operative systems for empty minds and immature souls, both ask for blind faith.

how many human beings really become adult, from a spiritual point of view? spiritually independent?

The difference is the content.

One is sun worship, the other is observations on the current situation on the planet.

M5 has nothing to do with blind faith. Perhaps it is blind faith to you, because you are not advanced enough to astrally travel to the Park. It's on Focus Level 27. Go there if you can. Feel free to astrally travel to the outside of your higher self. You will be able to see yourself. Or feel free to enter into your higher self if your higher self allows.

How to do it? Go out of body, stand behind and above your body, and jump back into it.

Enjoy.

[runciter]

The difference is the content.

One is sun worship, the other is observations on the current situation on the planet.

M5 has nothing to do with blind faith. Perhaps it is blind faith to you, because you are not advanced enough to astrally travel to the Park. It's on Focus Level 27. Go there if you can. Feel free to astrally travel to the outside of your higher self. You will be able to see yourself. Or feel free to enter into your higher self if your higher self allows.

How to do it? Go out of body, stand behind and above your body, and jump back into it.

Enjoy.

the only thing that matters is how your manufactured dogma conditions your attitude towards others.

your personal trips have no value for anyone else, unless you can do something to link the two 'realities'.

i've read much on astral travelling, the first thing i'll do when i'm out is to visit you, and kick you in the ass.

[ex sheep]

The difference is the content.

One is sun worship, the other is observations on the current situation on the planet.

M5 has nothing to do with blind faith. Perhaps it is blind faith to you, because you are not advanced enough to astrally travel to the Park. It's on Focus Level 27. Go there if you can. Feel free to astrally travel to the outside of your higher self. You will be able to see yourself. Or feel free to enter into your higher self if your higher self allows.

How to do it? Go out of body, stand behind and above your body, and jump back into it.

Enjoy.

Is gate 27 signposted, I always get lost in large airports.

[runciter]

Technically higher self is the appropriate term.

can you do anything to prove the existence of other dimensions, 4th, 5th and so on?

blah blah is not a proof, no matter how long, it's only a description of your belief system.

hallucinations and psychic trips aren't proof, unless you can share them with someone else.

[lordzoma]

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[geewhizz]

Let me make something perfectly clear. I have no intention of proving anything to you, nor do I care in the slightest bit what you believe or what your opinions are of my beliefs. I do not care what you think, and I do not care what your opinions are.

If you have any interest in trying to prove what I have said to yourself, you are more than welcome to go about trying to prove that to yourself. If you have questions for me I may answer them, if you are sincere and not just being a smart ass, and if I feel like spending any time on you whatsoever.

As far as proving it to myself is concerned, I am already firmly aware of what my belief structure is, and I have experienced all I need to experience to explain what I have explained to you.

Well as long as you have a beLIEf system of ANY kind, the Game still has you.

' The best slaves are the ones who do not realise they are slaves.'

[lordzoma]

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[itsallinus]

At the end of the guys, this will either resonate within you in part or whole as correct, incorrect, truth or no truth, fact or fiction etc. Take it or leave it, but why waste energy arguing over it? Surely we are all mature enough to debate stuff without having direct physical proof placed in our laps. Ah, now I'm just wasting my energy..:rolleyes:

[runciter]

Let me make something perfectly clear. I have no intention of proving anything to you, nor do I care in the slightest bit what you believe or what your opinions are of my beliefs. I do not care what you think, and I do not care what your opinions are.

If you have any interest in trying to prove what I have said to yourself, you are more than welcome to go about trying to prove that to yourself. If you have questions for me I may answer them, if you are sincere and not just being a smart ass, and if I feel like spending any time on you whatsoever.

As far as proving it to myself is concerned, I am already firmly aware of what my belief structure is, and I have experienced all I need to experience to explain what I have explained to you.



As far as visiting me in the astral is concerned runciter, if you visit me with the intention of doing any harm to me, I will hurt you, so I would advise against trying it. I am not polite to those who cross me, nor do I have any intention of ignoring a threat. If it is in mocking ignorant jest of the information I have selflessly provided to assist those interested in the M5 material then I would and am politely asking you to stop and to try to ignore what I have to say. If you have something personal against me for the fact that I have put this information out there, you can go fuck yourself. If you expect to psychically vamp me by trying to get me to argue about the information I have provided you are incorrect. I don't care what you think, and I have no interest whatsoever in trying to change the way you think. You freely chose to open this thread and respond to me. You are doing so in a manner unbecoming and unsuitable to effective communication with me, in a manner that attempts to drain my energy. It ends here and it ends now.

see what i mean? you're unable to prove anything, you can only (try to) hypnotize people.

you're not different from a biblical preacher, in this respect, and you're using similar techniques.

seeing you play the victim is a new experience for me, i'm fascinated.

[lordzoma]

The only victim here is your ego. If you think I am your victim you are a bigger fool than I thought you were.

Note to self: Ignore runciter
Reason: he's a dick.

[runciter]

Gee whizz gee whizz, slave is exactly the word that springs to mind when I consider how dogmatic you are in attacking any mention of the M5 material on this forum. M5 information sure puts a hot fiery red poker up your ass doesn't it! You old homophobic ass. How about you mosey away from the M5 thread and go have sex with a pile of whores. I'm sure you'll enjoy that right? Continued conversation and attempts at directly speaking with you regarding the M5 material have failed and boiled down to you directly attacking me and calling me a slave? Are you fucking kidding me? You have such an agenda I find it pathetic. If you have a problem with the M5 material, of course you a free to leave it and go about something productive with your time such as hmm.. anything else. The fact that you continue to single out any M5 material on the forum and attempt to discredit tells WONDERS about what kind of person you are. Seems to me like the perfect example of an Orionized male ready to drop to his knees and suckle the yoni fruit of his women mistresses. Well you can go fuck yourself too Gee Whizz. I don't care what you have to think and I don't care for your tone. You do nothing but harass the bearers of this information. In the words of shakespeare - Me thinkst you doth protest to much! Fuck off!

you're apparently enslaved to your religion, and you react badly when someone touches it.

[runciter]

The only victim here is your ego. If you think I am your victim you are a bigger fool than I thought you were.

Note to self: Ignore runciter
Reason: he's a dick.

if it's a note to yourself why did you write it here? :)

you're a highly sensitive person, who hides behind an obtuse cult of amorality.

[drael]

What a facinating zeal, proponents of this rather unusual religion exhibit.

What the heck is graduation exactly? (No i dont want to read matrix books)

And how is this stuff determined exactly? How do you know for example, that some people dont have higher selves. Is there a test?

Maybe theres some great quote you can give me that demonstrates the wisdom in this text? (nothing ive heard about it sounds deep or wise, more like typical religious metaphysics)...

Facinating..

[lordzoma]

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[ex sheep]

What's level 26, in case I miss it ?

[runciter]

Oh look, he's stupid too! How about you talk to a wall! I have an idea! Insult someone and then call them a victim when they tell you to fuck off! Here's a better idea - continue to talk to them even after they've said they don't give a fuck what you think and that you can fuck off! Look he still talks! Let's all laugh at the person who is so absolutely obsessed with the material I conveyed that they want to personally attack me! Hey I've got an idea! Let's all waste our time being an absolute fucking asshole to someone because they posted information you don't agree with! Yay! Your ego is all that matters! You are your body! You are a complete tool too! Yay! Go fuck yourself!

i only joked about kicking you in the ass, astrally speaking, and look what a reaction! :)

it's your identification with a dogma that makes you so vulnerable, freedom is a different thing.

[runciter]

Yes I'm sure that's what I call it - zeal. Personally attack someone and threaten someone because of a spiritually based message they convey, and then judge them on their reaction! Why we've got a pile of Einsteins over here!

Newsflash to you; I'm not a light sider hippy preaching love even your enemies here. If I don't like your tone and you attack me in any manner, I will attack you right back! Hooray!

If you want to take anything away from this - feel free to take the proper message. Act like a douchebag to a light sider and they will play the victim. Act like a douchebag to a dark sider and they may manipulate you and may subtly attack you, like through magic or vamping your energy. Act like a douchebag to someone who is balanced, and they will tell you to go fuck yourself! Lesson learned!

I posted the information because it was brought up. If you don't like ME or want to JUDGE ME because of the information I have provided, you can go fuck yourself too.

you can write whatever you want, but i will hardly feel attacked, i know you're a nice guy.

people can get angry for futile reasons, i'm not going to make a tragedy out of this, it can happen.

[lordzoma]

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[lordzoma]

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[drael]

Huh? Was that your response to my questions?

Which part was the wisdom in? In what part did you explain why we would want to graduate? Or what reason one would have for beleiving such things?

As far as information, all ive heard is a speculative system of metaphysics, aka some mythology. While I find that interesting, as I do 2012, or dimensional physics, CT, UFOs etc I dont "do" anything with such information, i just hear it. I dont judge it, and I certainly dont embrace it. Im more interested in the wisdom beneath such systems, and I cant really see what that is, at least not clearly. Metaphysics is useless to me, like the theories of science, the speculations of religion. I am neutral in regard to them all.

However what they say about human experience is highly revealing.

Are you refering to "the path of wisdom" crowley speaks of, that is beyond the adepts paths of light and dark, the path of the master - one that acts in accordance with divine will and wisdom rather than moral judgements?

What exactly is the virtue, that fills the void of light and dark? Stabbing someone with a knife?

Not very zen.

Although how I read that into your treatise on weapondry I have no idea!

Speaking of crowley, a brilliant quote comes to mind "If your meditating and a dog barking interrupts you, shoot it". Obviously this is ironic, and quite funny, but shows that when we are irritated it is us that does the irratating ultimately...

[geewhizz]

On a final side note, I think one of the most pitiful things there is, is an energy vampire who doesn't even realize that they are energetically vamping the energy from other people in order to satisfy their inability to generate enough energy for themselves.

There are few things sadder than someone who isn't aware of how they function, let alone how they are negatively affecting people.

There are few things in this world that I have a very short patience for, and it isn't for people who disagree with me. it is for energy vampires like you runciter, and you geewhizz, who probably have no fucking clue that they are the energy scum sucking dregs of society.

You can take your vampiric ways and go fuck yourselves with them. You won't take any of my energy from me. When you leave your discussions with me you may find yourself unusually drained. It's because I drained you asshole. I fed off your disease and left you weaker, because I have no interest whatsoever of being your prey or in being your healer. I am the predator. Gold will take dark and cut its fucking horns off. Now leave me alone.

You need help my friend, really you should seek psychiatric help.

[lordzoma]

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[runciter]

It doesn't matter what you think or what you say. You are continuing to post in this thread with no purpose other than for vamping me of my energy and defending your ego. If you had no interest in furthering a conversation regarding the information provided in this thread you wouldn't be here in the first place, UNLESS you have an agenda. I have a feeling that agenda is disagreeing and verbally and logistically attacking anyone whom you disagree with. It's your MO. I can smell your leech attitude and black energetically vamping damaged aura a mile away.

So take your worthless opinion, and your judgemental attitude, and get lost. That's right, I'm telling you to get lost. Why? Because you aren't providing anything for the thread. All you are doing is leeching, and attacking, and doing a disservice to the dissemination of valuable information. You are a little vampire, and you have failed. I'm not giving you energy, I'm stealing yours, and I will continue to steal your energy as long as you continue to troll in places that are unwelcome to you. Unless of course I get bored. Which you've succeeded in doing to me already. Why I bothered to take from you at all is beyond me! Your energy is shit and so are your opinions.

we're having a friendly conversation, i'm enjoining it and i'm not planning to leave in the near future.

i'm questioning the valuability of the information you're posting, i think you're promoting a bizarre cult.

i don't care much about your private beliefs, but if you post them here you make them public.

[runciter]

On a final side note, I think one of the most pitiful things there is, is an energy vampire who doesn't even realize that they are energetically vamping the energy from other people in order to satisfy their inability to generate enough energy for themselves.

There are few things sadder than someone who isn't aware of how they function, let alone how they are negatively affecting people.

There are few things in this world that I have a very short patience for, and it isn't for people who disagree with me. it is for energy vampires like you runciter, and you geewhizz, who probably have no fucking clue that they are the energy scum sucking dregs of society.

You can take your vampiric ways and go fuck yourselves with them. You won't take any of my energy from me. When you leave your discussions with me you may find yourself unusually drained. It's because I drained you asshole. I fed off your disease and left you weaker, because I have no interest whatsoever of being your prey or in being your healer. I am the predator. Gold will take dark and cut its fucking horns off. Now leave me alone.

it's interesting, your language reflects a victim complex, that you hide behind a 'predatorial' (self) hypnosis.

i think your claimed power is only make-believe, and you're reacting like a child who protects his favourite toy.

[drael]

drael, if you want an answer to your questions, you can go ahead and buy the book in question for yourself. I'm not your personal Q&A god here, and if I was in a nicer mood I might entertain explaining something to you that could either be answered from you shelling out a little money to read the book, or to go through the back information on M5 and figure it out yourself.

Well, ive heard alot about it. Im not sure I understand where any of it is coming from, or what its based on. I dont want to buy a book, im poor and simply not that curious. Just a little. I do like to read though, especially if i can get it from a website.

Try asking Moral Man. He has a lot more patience for people who would rather have everything handed to them on a silver spoon than to do a little research themselves.


That I will.

Im still not even sure that this is connected to the original limited print matrix book, about alien technology and coverups.

What I hear is something like this... sequentials, simultaneous, graduation. No offence, but any time i hear someone speaking about this material it sounds a bit like scientology or something.

Perhaps It would be better to explain it from the top, where the information came from, what its based on etc, than leap into specialist lingo.

[runciter]

drael, if you want an answer to your questions, you can go ahead and buy the book in question for yourself. I'm not your personal Q&A god here, and if I was in a nicer mood I might entertain explaining something to you that could either be answered from you shelling out a little money to read the book, or to go through the back information on M5 and figure it out yourself. Trying to ride the coat tails of a few people who shot their negative arrows at me and missed, isn't the best time to ask me a serious question and receive an answer. Try asking Moral Man. He has a lot more patience for people who would rather have everything handed to them on a silver spoon than to do a little research themselves.

As for you geewhizz, I don't need anything, least of all advice from you.

If you think being able to energetically identify someone attempting to energetically vamp you is call for psychiatric help, you are more ignorant than I ever conceived of you being. Pathetic.

you could link your matrix v no trolls thread, i remember seeing it somewhere in the abysses of the forum.

edit:

maybe i will pay you a visit down there, just like you visited the "animals die for your vanity" thread, let's see.

[runciter]

yes, i can perceive something putrid now, but i would use the word "parasite" instead of "predator" :)

at least you made clear who's the vampire, and you're giving me a chance to learn something about them.

[runciter]

I'm reminded of a quote from a movie. Go after him with your fists, and he'll come after you with a baseball bat. Go after him with a baseball bat and he'll come at you with a knife. Go at him with a knife and he'll come at you with a gun. Go at him with a gun and you better pray you kill him, because if you don't, he'll come after you and everybody you care about. I'm not saying I'm going to attack anyone here, but I am conveniently reminded of that quote. Here's a better one, I find it more useful to go by.

Avoid rather than check.
Check rather than injure.
Injure rather than maim.
Maim rather than kill.

I would rather avoid the argument, and I would rather put it in check once it has arisen. I will have no qualms with injuring your ego and telling you you're a fucking spiritually inept ignorant little bitch if the situation calls for it. I won't go further than that from here, but I will say this. After I'm done reading the forum this morning, you can take your opinions of the material or me, and shove them up your ass! I didn't post here to be put on trial for my belief structure and I certainly have nothing whatsoever to prove to any of you little punks. If you have a problem with the material, you can deal with that problem yourself, because as far as you are concerned to me, I don't give a shit.

having such a volatile mood is a sign of spiritual underdevelopment, from my point of view.

sorry, i thought i had to reply to this little bit you added, it was so lovely and full of wisdom.

maybe you will return when you've calmed down, and we'll continue this strange conversation.

[ex sheep]

I want to know about the levels. 27 in particular.

[drael]

Okay ive read some stuff about this now and I take back my questions.

Im about living life better, whatever dimension its on. This doesnt seem to offer much advice there. And im not gay :P

[arty2000]

What's level 26, in case I miss it ?

I believe you are looking for gate 26.5...thats what you missed....happens to all first timers dont worry help is at hand:)

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I took a few days away from this forum and come back to find this thread in chaos.
That consistant and crafty troll Geewhizz has led the charge once again against lordzoma.
The posters on this forum thread should be thankful for the intelligent responses that lordzoma has given here and yet they react in scorn at the contributions that he has given in this thread.
We should be grateful that we have a poster on this forum that has vast knowledge on the subjects discussed in the Matrix V trilogy.
I feel that Geewhizz and runciter especially should be ashamed of their conduct on this thread.
I am glad that I have returned to restore some order to this interesting thread.
yours thankfully
John

[runciter]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I took a few days away from this forum and come back to find this thread in chaos.
That consistant and crafty troll Geewhizz has led the charge once again against lordzoma.
The posters on this forum thread should be thankful for the intelligent responses that lordzoma has given here and yet they react in scorn at the contributions that he has given in this thread.
We should be grateful that we have a poster on this forum that has vast knowledge on the subjects discussed in the Matrix V trilogy.
I feel that Geewhizz and runciter especially should be ashamed of their conduct on this thread.
I am glad that I have returned to restore some order to this interesting thread.
yours thankfully
John

dear john,

the elitist element in your belief system is something to be ashamed of.

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any relation with the elite's plan to decimate mankind? maybe it's not just a coincidence.

[deem]

Think i'll have a spliff and spend some time with my cd collection and my higher self.

[the om]

Think i'll have a spliff and spend some time with my cd collection and my higher self.

Make sure Dark Side of the Moon makes it in there somewhere :p

[shellygurrrl]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I am starting this thread to bring up a few points for David Icke members.
David Icke members are always taking about the injustice of our World and not looking at things from a broader spiritual perspective.
Here are some facts.
1. Your Higher Self incarnates simultaneously for different experiences.
2. We are living in a dark sector of the galaxy.
Take Margaret Thatcher for example.
People HATE this woman because of the havoc that she bought to this nation and to poor people.
Regardless of what people say, The Higher Self created that Incarnational strand (who lived as Thatcher) to experience the life of a leader and to live from that unique perspective.
You can count on Thatcher's Higher Self to be fair and to create an Incarnational strand where it is living in poverty and on the receiving end of a leader who only sees things from their point of their view.
The problem with David Icke devotees is that they see things from a lightsider perspective and want to change the rules of The Game.
We sometimes curse our position and the lives of other people, not realizing that the Higher Selves that created those lives only see them as experiences.
If this is the case, why are people on this forum taking themselves and the World so seriously?
A Higher Self wants to experience all polarities (good/bad, rich/poor, straight/gay, capitalist/socialist, leader/follower, pretty/ugly, strong/weak, famous/joe public etc) and that is the ONLY reason for its Incarnations on Earth and not to correct The Game.
The very people who hate Thatcher should try to see if they can look at ALL of their lives in Simultaneous Time and they will see that they were a cold hearted leader who saw the lesser well off as undeserving also.
NOTHING except the Graduation will stop the polarity that you hate, so there is no point in hating anything and to simply see this World as a stage where actors (Incarnational strands) are acting on behalf of their superior (Higher Self) to gain experience.
David Icke is a lightsider who is encouraging people to waste their time in challenging The Game and any attempts at challenging the The Game will be met with defeat.
Your goal is to get the experiences that your Higher Self needs and then leave, forget about the chaos all around you, none of this is your problem.
Let us not forger that there are OVER FIVE BILLION Minion Incarnations on Earth today and they don't even have a Higher Self.
Be not concerned with the state of things, or the various polarities (which are now filled with Minions), instead be concerned with what your Higher Self requires and how to improve your own life.
I feel that this message is long overdue and I am glad that I got around to posting it.
I hope that you all take heed of my words and shape your life around this truth.
yours thankfully
John
I do think that all of "this" is a game. And I have come to know that we are simply incarnating to experience being physical, and that all of us somehow (before the veil) agreed to whatever it is we will experience (the horrors and the ecstasy).

I want to thank you for turning me on to this site via the Matrix V mention:

http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html

All I can say is, WOW!!!!!!!

I was reading and this just blew me away because it is EXACTLY how I feel all the time almost!

I have no interest in participating in the game anymore

I think that ALL the time now! I am so sick of doing this.

I just can't say how much resonance I feel to this material. I do think though that one can only naturally be drawn to feel horror at the atrocities committed by other humans. We cannot simply blow it off as being part of the game, just one facet of physicality. That makes us apathetic.

However, thanks again for starting this thread.

[runciter]

I was reading and this just blew me away because it is EXACTLY how I feel all the time almost!

it's how it is supposed to work, who wrote it isn't ignorant about the human psyche.

I think that ALL the time now! I am so sick of doing this.

I just can't say how much resonance I feel to this material. I do think though that one can only naturally be drawn to feel horror at the atrocities committed by other humans. We cannot simply blow it off as being part of the game, just one facet of physicality. That makes us apathetic.

However, thanks again for starting this thread.

i see some contradiction, because it's being "part of the game" that makes you feel empathy.

[ex sheep]

No matter how confused or stupid or unloving other persons may appear to us, we have no right ever to assume that their consciousness is on a lower level than ours. They may be realizing far deeper dimensions of love. The way we see them is an explicit measure of our own vibrational level.






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[runciter]

No matter how confused or stupid or unloving other persons may appear to us, we have no right ever to assume that their consciousness is on a lower level than ours. They may be realizing far deeper dimensions of love. The way we see them is an explicit measure of our own vibrational level.

exactly, we should question or ability to understand other persons, instead of judging them.

some of us are so busy erecting barriers, and finding excuses to belittle others :(

[drael]

That and we shouldnt have to be gay...

[ex sheep]

exactly, we should question or ability to understand other persons, instead of judging them.

some of us are so busy erecting barriers, and finding excuses to belittle others :(

:)

Some have invested a lot of $ in books that they wish to defend so rigorously, and invest all their energy on one possible theory, when in fact, a lot of the best information is available for free, if you look for it. :)

[ex sheep]

That and we shouldnt have to be gay...

Correct, isn't that the plan from TPTB.

[runciter]

That and we shouldnt have to be gay...

lol... no, i don't think it's a necessary requirement to understand reality or ourselves.

[runciter]

Correct, isn't that the plan from TPTB.

this matrix 5 stuff seems perfectly compatible with the new world order.

unless i'm missing something, but i doubt that anyone will clarify this point.

[drael]

^ Indeed, its pro-humanism and elistism is reminiscent of left-hand occultists and neiztche.

[itsallinus]

:)

Some have invested a lot of $ in books that they wish to defend so rigorously, and invest all their energy on one possible theory, when in fact, a lot of the best information is available for free, if you look for it. :)

The matrix books 1-4 are available online in .pdf format for free.

[itsallinus]

^ Indeed, its pro-humanism and elistism is reminiscent of left-hand occultists and neiztche.

I don't see it that way at all, or understand how anyone can come to that conclusion without reading the books. If you are used to astral travel or have connected with your higher self this stuff should resonate with you, if not then no worries, its not for everyone and we all have different perceptions in understanding information we receive and take from it what does feel right and can leave the rest. You may find what does not sit right with you now may do sometime in the future, or not.

[ex sheep]

I think the major stumbling block that everyone is getting their knickers in a twist is this quote~

Let us not forger that there are OVER FIVE BILLION Minion Incarnations on Earth today and they don't even have a Higher Self.

[itsallinus]

I think the major stumbling block that everyone is getting their knickers in a twist is this quote~

Let us not forger that there are OVER FIVE BILLION Minion Incarnations on Earth today and they don't even have a Higher Self.

Yeah, I did think it was more like 60%. Anyhow, numbers are not relevant to us on a personal level, all that matters is you!

[runciter]

I don't see it that way at all, or understand how anyone can come to that conclusion without reading the books. If you are used to astral travel or have connected with your higher self this stuff should resonate with you, if not then no worries, its not for everyone and we all have different perceptions in understanding information we receive and take from it what does feel right and can leave the rest. You may find what does not sit right with you now may do sometime in the future, or not.

what if those books were written to entrap people who are awakening into an artificial cage-reality?

[runciter]

Yeah, I did think it was more like 60%. Anyhow, numbers are not relevant to us on a personal level, all that matters is you!

what about others? all those people that according to your religion are somehow inferior beings?

[itsallinus]

what if those books were written to entrap people who are awakening into an artificial cage-reality?

A lot of what I understand about the books has only reinforced what I had either discovered on my own or clarified my own personal experiences and understand on many things and many levels.

I kinda see us as being in a fish bowl trying to look out but the image is distorted. Over time we are taken out but never return. Some choose to leap out. A tiny few have jumped out and been put back in. What they saw outside differed so much from what the consensus view inside was that trying to relay that information to others became almost impossible. In the end, the few gave up and told the rest, if you really wanna know, your just gonna have to take the jump and take your chances, see it for your self.

[arty2000]

what if those books were written to entrap people who are awakening into an artificial cage-reality?

but how can you trap the "all that is":)

[ex sheep]

Yeah, I did think it was more like 60%. Anyhow, numbers are not relevant to us on a personal level, all that matters is you!

Now, where have I seen that before.

Let me think

All that matters is you.

"Your goal" is to get the experiences that your Higher Self needs and then leave, forget about the chaos all around you, none of this is your problem.

Be not concerned with the state of things, or the various polarities (which are now filled with Minions), instead be concerned with what your Higher Self requires and how to improve your own life.

The truth is that the majority of people are Soulless and are actually Minion Incarnations (animal spirits in human form).

I hope that you all take heed of my words and shape your life around this truth.



This is what I see all around me and all that is wrong in the world people not concerned about others, this is an Elitist attitude, exactly what we have now, and more hierarchy.

I thought we are all one.

[runciter]

A lot of what I understand about the books has only reinforced what I had either discovered on my own or clarified my own personal experiences and understand on many things and many levels.

I kinda see us as being in a fish bowl trying to look out but the image is distorted. Over time we are taken out but never return. Some choose to leap out. A tiny few have jumped out and been put back in. What they saw outside differed so much from what the consensus view inside was that trying to relay that information to others became almost impossible. In the end, the few gave up and told the rest, if you really wanna know, your just gonna have to take the jump and take your chances, see it for your self.

i'm sure you know that there are many other books that deal with astral travel etc.

without building a caste system, or manipulating your perception of reality and its inhabitants.

[runciter]

but how can you trap the "all that is":)

you can limit someone's imagination, and influence his way of thinking.

[itsallinus]

Now, where have I seen that before.

Let me think

All that matters is you.

"Your goal" is to get the experiences that your Higher Self needs and then leave, forget about the chaos all around you, none of this is your problem.

Be not concerned with the state of things, or the various polarities (which are now filled with Minions), instead be concerned with what your Higher Self requires and how to improve your own life.

The truth is that the majority of people are Soulless and are actually Minion Incarnations (animal spirits in human form).

I hope that you all take heed of my words and shape your life around this truth.



This is what I see all around me and all that is wrong in the world people not concerned about others, this is an Elitist attitude, exactly what we have now, and more hierarchy.

I thought we are all one.

How can you help others when you don't even understand or know yourself? Are you saying we are all here to help everyone else and focus on all the external issues/problems? When throughout history we have been do exactly that and it has only made things worse.

To say that looking/searching within and seeking balance and wisdom and improving your own life (such as finding inner peace) is an elitist attitude does not make sense, unless you have an alternative version of what 'elitist' means.

[itsallinus]

i'm sure you know that there are many other books that deal with astral travel etc.

without building a caste system, or manipulating your perception of reality and its inhabitants.

No manipulation required as my perception was manipulated from the beginning. that's why I chose to leap outside and see for myself, long before I ever read books on the subject(s).

As for the inhabitants of this reality, I do identify some as being minions though I do not see them as being any less than me because (IMO) its like comparing a pen with a fish, no need to judge or rate one above the other, just recognize there is a difference and a reason for that. Different paths/stages/consciousness variations etc.

[arty2000]

you can limit someone's imagination, and influence his way of thinking.

maybe there is no limit to "all that is" unless the I am chooses to be influenced...in the case of choosing to experience this slow vibrating duality by donning the human body:)

[itsallinus]

you can limit someone's imagination, and influence his way of thinking.

Only for a while. And why do you think yours has not already been so? Perhaps dreal has the right idea, keep an open mind to all possibilities but subscribe to none. No harm in that.

[runciter]

How can you help others when you don't even understand or know yourself? Are you saying we are all here to help everyone else and focus on all the external issues/problems? When throughout history we have been do exactly that and it has only made things worse.

To say that looking/searching within and seeking balance and wisdom and improving your own life (such as finding inner peace) is an elitist attitude does not make sense, unless you have an alternative version of what 'elitist' means.

how can you find yourself in a book? it doesn't make much sense to me.

[runciter]

No manipulation required as my perception was manipulated from the beginning. that's why I chose to leap outside and see for myself, long before I ever read books on the subject(s).

As for the inhabitants of this reality, I do identify some as being minions though I do not see them as being any less than me because (IMO) its like comparing a pen with a fish, no need to judge or rate one above the other, just recognize there is a difference and a reason for that. Different paths/stages/consciousness variations etc.

the interesting thing is that you have no way to prove what you say, it's all in your mind, and it's unhealthy.

[runciter]

Only for a while. And why do you think yours has not already been so? Perhaps dreal has the right idea, keep an open mind to all possibilities but subscribe to none. No harm in that.

i'm not promoting a new sci-fi bible.

[itsallinus]

how can you find yourself in a book? it doesn't make much sense to me.

That would not make sense to anyone. I never said that. Books contain words in a certain order. The content and what those words in that particular arrangement can offer a perspective opinion, based on said perspectives understanding/knowledge/wisdom. The reader will then take their own perspective of this information and draw their own conclusions which may or may not help them. It's up to each of us to 'see for themselves', either now through various means (but still a limited perspective) or wait till death and well, there you go.

[arty2000]

the interesting thing is that you have no way to prove what you say, it's all in your mind, and it's unhealthy.

keeping an open mind about possibilities can only be healthty...its when you close close down or try and suppress those possibilites is when the difficulties set in:)

[runciter]

That would not make sense to anyone. I never said that. Books contain words in a certain order. The content and what those words in that particular arrangement can offer a perspective opinion, based on said perspectives understanding/knowledge/wisdom. The reader will then take their own perspective of this information and draw their own conclusions which may or may not help them. It's up to each of us to 'see for themselves', either now through various means (but still a limited perspective) or wait till death and well, there you go.

those books can influence your perception of others, in an unpleasant way.

this is the only thing that matters.

[runciter]

maybe there is no limit to "all that is" unless the I am chooses to be influenced...in the case of choosing to experience this slow vibrating duality by donning the human body:)

is it an indirect way to say that who's experiencing suffering is doing that by his choice?

i would disagree.

[runciter]

keeping an open mind about possibilities can only be healthty...its when you close close down or try and suppress those possibilites is when the difficulties set in:)

to consider other human beings as somewhat different from you is a good example of "suppressed possibilities".

[itsallinus]

the interesting thing is that you have no way to prove what you say, it's all in your mind, and it's unhealthy.

No need to prove to others or any way. As Morpheus (the matrix) said: I cannot show you the matrix, you have to see it for yourself.

I am well aware of the nature of our consciousness and how its been manipulated, that even beyond death lie many illusions. I do not see the Matrix books as the 'be all and end all'. I do however think it is more accurate (and has already proved to me on a number of things including predictions) than any other book/presentation etc I have come across (and there's been loads). So much material I encounter is old news compared to the matrix books.

We all have the ability to make our own judgements and should always respect the views of others if we agree with them or not. I respect your opinion and I hope you can respect mine. What's unhealthy is to reject any differing viewpoint that does not fit in with your own. Don't like it, fine, leave it for others to debate that perhaps do and would like to know more.

[itsallinus]

is it an indirect way to say that who's experiencing suffering is doing that by his choice?

i would disagree.

Perhaps his higher self wants him to experience suffering so he has more clarity about the life he wants. For example, in order to experience bliss he needs to know what 'bliss' actually could be and so experiences the duality of bliss as a kind of measurement.

[itsallinus]

to consider other human beings as somewhat different from you is a good example of "suppressed possibilities".

Utter rubbish. We are all different on almost any level, my fours brothers, born from the same womb, are all different from me. We have different levels of understanding, knowledge, wisdom, patience, love, attitude, behaviour. In fact I have often though that one of them was more like an animal than a human because of his actions, the way he lived his life and treated his own dwellings as well as his own thought processes.

[lightworks]

we have a choice...ok but ...we cannotallways influence others...but i challenge what you sat as stuckness...and what david icke is doing is awakening people to the exact and imense possibility of changing here and now..i reckone you might be an illuminati agent trying to discourage people here from reclaiming thier infintite soul power which does not need higher or lower selves...or you are stuck with the old universe computer program of higher and lower...but the very fundation of what your saying is changing so radically....that soon the fine veil between lower and higher self will dissapear..enabling us collecivley not to have to incarnate as ugly soul ex`perience...please understand that the age of reptilians like thatcher ie kal yug is almost over....we are entering right now a definitevly different age of conciousness and what you are saying belongs to an old lesson of learning that the conciousness shift of this planet and universe no longer needs....like needing to suffer to learn....we are vast infinite intelligent universes...and we need not get over identified with such pre shool soul lessons...that is what david icke is teaching...

[arty2000]

is it an indirect way to say that who's experiencing suffering is doing that by his choice?

i would disagree.

tis good:)...tho is does make one wonder how and why we are here...if this is indeed a cosmic movie like the movies we watch ,when someone gets injured or killed we the viewers empathizes and sheds a tear even tho we know its just a movie and when the scene or movie is over the cast gets up shakes hands and has a celebration and moves on...

[arty2000]

to consider other human beings as somewhat different from you is a good example of "suppressed possibilities".

seperation is a construct of the mind a part of duality...there is only oneness:)

[itsallinus]

we have a choice...ok but ...we cannotallways influence others...but i challenge what you sat as stuckness...and what david icke is doing is awakening people to the exact and imense possibility of changing here and now..i reckone you might be an illuminati agent trying to discourage people here from reclaiming thier infintite soul power which does not need higher or lower selves...or you are stuck with the old universe computer program of higher and lower...but the very fundation of what your saying is changing so radically....that soon the fine veil between lower and higher self will dissapear..enabling us collecivley not to have to incarnate as ugly soul ex`perience...please understand that the age of reptilians like thatcher ie kal yug is almost over....we are entering right now a definitevly different age of conciousness and what you are saying belongs to an old lesson of learning that the conciousness shift of this planet and universe no longer needs....like needing to suffer to learn....we are vast infinite intelligent universes...and we need not get over identified with such pre shool soul lessons...that is what david icke is teaching...

This part of what your saying tells me you have little understanding of the whole concept of higher and lower incarnations.

If our higher selves are but another illusion then perhaps we still have more illusions to go through/experience being. Like I said before, I am keeping an open mind but this material seems the most accurate out there.

A lot of what DI is telling (not teaching) you'll have already known if you had read the matrix books.

I am about as much an illuminate agent as your grandmother!

[itsallinus]

And when you say 'reclaim your soul' I think you'll find its not about reclaiming as you already have it. Unless yours has already been claimed by someone else?

[lightworks]

This part of what your saying tells me you have little understanding of the whole concept of higher and lower incarnations.

If our higher selves are but another illusion then perhaps we still have more illusions to go through/experience being. Like I said before, I am keeping an open mind but this material seems the most accurate out there.

A lot of what DI is telling (not teaching) you'll have already known if you had read the matrix books.

I am about as much an illuminate agent as your grandmother!open your heart...and stop the game....

[lightworks]

you are not clear yourself...so on behalf of angels.....what gives you the right to start instructing others....you must open your heart....and stop this...

[lightworks]

EOK Parliament: Attempted Shutdown - YouTube

[itsallinus]

you are not clear yourself...so on behalf of angels.....what gives you the right to start instructing others....you must open your heart....and stop this...

Your contradicting yourself. On behalf of angels? Are you a lightsider?

[ex sheep]

To say that looking/searching within and seeking balance and wisdom and improving your own life (such as finding inner peace) is an elitist attitude does not make sense, unless you have an alternative version of what 'elitist' means.

I never said that, ^^^^ don't try and put words into my mouth.


I said the elitist attitude of saying that people have no soul or higher self, 5 billion of them.
Who counted all these people, and your guess of 60%, this is all rubbish.

[itsallinus]

I never said that, ^^^^ don't try and put words into my mouth.

I was referring to what the books had helped me with, in looking within etc which they do.

I said the elitist attitude of saying that people have no soul or higher self, 5 billion of them.
Who counted all these people, and your guess of 60%, this is all rubbish.

As LZ mentioned earlier in this thread, the minions are part of the earth higher self consciousness. It's not elitist from my perspective, only an observation that makes a lot of sense to me in many ways. If you don't agree, fine.

60%, 5 Billion, whatever, don't know how many and it does not matter. The matrix books tell us not to be concerned with these things.

[ex sheep]

I was referring to what the books had helped me with, in looking within etc which they do.



As LZ mentioned earlier in this thread, the minions are part of the earth higher self consciousness. It's not elitist from my perspective, only an observation that makes a lot of sense to me in many ways. If you don't agree, fine.

60%, 5 Billion, whatever, don't know how many and it does not matter. The matrix books tell us not to be concerned with these things.

Yes that's my whole point about this thread, the elitist attitude, that's the problem.
I think most of us know here to work on yourself within first. ;)

but the OP rants on about 5 billion people without a soul, without a higher self. This is the problem.

5 billion, complete and utter rubbish.

[itsallinus]

Yes that's my whole point about this thread, the elitist attitude, that's the problem.
I think most of us know here to work on yourself within first. ;)

but the OP rants on about 5 billion people without a soul, without a higher self. This is the problem.

5 billion, complete and utter rubbish.

Its his opinion and he is entitled to it. Your opinion is that its rubbish. Freedom of speech. If you disagree you voice your opinion and leave it at that. Why do you continue to repeat your opinion if you've already said how you think. Others may agree with you or not. I really don't see this thread is getting us anywhere constructive and it seems a shame. It could of been.

[ex sheep]

Its his opinion and he is entitled to it. Your opinion is that its rubbish. Freedom of speech. If you disagree you voice your opinion and leave it at that. Why do you continue to repeat your opinion if you've already said how you think. Others may agree with you or not. I really don't see this thread is getting us anywhere constructive and it seems a shame. It could of been.

He told me to go and buy the $90 book.

I will not do that.

Must everyone go and buy that book to understand what is going on, :D

yeah right.

[itsallinus]

He told me to go and buy the $90 book.

I will not do that.

Must everyone go and buy that book to understand what is going on, :D

yeah right.

I found a site that has loads of free books which have been transferred into .pdf files and are all free. The matrix books 1-4 were all there. No need to log in as there were a number of requests and links to them. I am really sorry I cannot remember what the site was called and since I no longer have the same pc I can't check my saved links :( Oh well, they are available online somewhere but check out www.trufax.org for loads of info on it if you have the time, can't do you any harm!

[ex sheep]

I found a site that has loads of free books which have been transferred into .pdf files and are all free. The matrix books 1-4 were all there. No need to log in as there were a number of requests and links to them. I am really sorry I cannot remember what the site was called and since I no longer have the same pc I can't check my saved links :( Oh well, they are available online somewhere but check out www.trufax.org for loads of info on it if you have the time, can't do you any harm!

Thanks , I know you are trying to be helpful. :)

I've got books coming out of me ears here, my hard drive is full of them :confused:

Look I understand a lot of what is being said already and a lot of it resonates with me, it just the bit about the poor people I can't get my teeth into, it doesn't taste nice.
I'm sticking up for them. :)

[itsallinus]

Thanks , I know you are trying to be helpful. :)

I've got books coming out of me ears here, my hard drive is full of them :confused:

Look I understand a lot of what is being said already and a lot of it resonates with me, it just the bit about the poor people I can't get my teeth into, it doesn't taste nice.
I'm sticking up for them. :)

I'm not poor, I am skint (literally) and homeless. MM did say though that he thinks there are rich people who are minion incarnations too but that they tend to be more frequent in poor communities since they are pack orientated. You have every right to stick up for people if you feel that way and I respect you for that.

I better go in a minute as I have spent far too long on the pc today (slaps wrist). Good night chaps.

[lordzoma]

No manipulation required as my perception was manipulated from the beginning. that's why I chose to leap outside and see for myself, long before I ever read books on the subject(s).

As for the inhabitants of this reality, I do identify some as being minions though I do not see them as being any less than me because (IMO) its like comparing a pen with a fish, no need to judge or rate one above the other, just recognize there is a difference and a reason for that. Different paths/stages/consciousness variations etc.

Ultimately Minions are not less than you at all. The difference is that while you will incarnate many human bodies simultaneously over the course of a long period of time -- The higher self inside the planet will incarnate as all animal and plant life on that planet throughout the planets life - which also includes all of the minion spirits.

This knowledge is not meant to treat minions as anything less than you are, for all minions are a piece of a higher self that is exactly the same as you, only one which chose a different path. It is not the purpose of the M5 material to treat those that are different as inferiors. The M5 material embraces the universal 'laws' (suggestions) such as the law of allowance.

It is, however, a firm truth, that when comparing the individual incarnation, it is the human incarnation with a higher self, rather than the minion, or the sequential alien, that holds the highest potential for spiritual awareness and power while within the game.

[michael christopher]

Ultimately Minions are not less than you at all. The difference is that while you will incarnate many human bodies simultaneously over the course of a long period of time -- The higher self inside the planet will incarnate as all animal and plant life on that planet throughout the planets life - which also includes all of the minion spirits.

This knowledge is not meant to treat minions as anything less than you are, for all minions are a piece of a higher self that is exactly the same as you, only one which chose a different path. It is not the purpose of the M5 material to treat those that are different as inferiors. The M5 material embraces the universal 'laws' (suggestions) such as the law of allowance.

It is, however, a firm truth, that when comparing the individual incarnation, it is the human incarnation with a higher self, rather than the minion, or the sequential alien, that holds the highest potential for spiritual awareness and power while within the game.

Then why would you call them Minions? You don't think this term has an extremely negative connotation?

[lordzoma]

min⋅ion  [min-yuhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. a servile follower or subordinate of a person in power.

Minions are followers at heart. They are part of a group mind and group collective. They follow the majority. They are the sheep. They are the fodder the elite use to foster majority support in all of their endeavors. They are the obstacle that all those who peddle the truth face in attempting to awaken the masses.

The only way to awaken a minion is to awaken them all. The only way to awaken them all is to speak to them all. Enter the Mass Media. The Media controls the minions and therefore they control the thought process of the majority of mankind.

This is the way it is in Endgame.

Do I think it is an inherently negative connotation? Yes, of course it is. Minions are an abomination that the planet does not want, but must face as part of its own path towards graduation.

[arty2000]

And when you say 'reclaim your soul' I think you'll find its not about reclaiming as you already have it. Unless yours has already been claimed by someone else?

yes...how can you reclaim something that you never lost:)

someone wants to make it sound like taking a number and waiting in line and when you get to the front you say I am looking for my soul have you seen it:D

[arty2000]

you are not clear yourself...so on behalf of angels.....what gives you the right to start instructing others....you must open your heart....and stop this...

it is not instructing it is offering an opinion;)...information that resonates with him/her...isnt that why we have come here,to exchange ideas to offer opinions:)

[itsallinus]

it is not instructing it is offering an opinion;)...information that resonates with him/her...isnt that why we have come here,to exchange ideas to offer opinions:)

Thank you arty :) Until we are actually free from the illusions and regain our full awareness we can only offer opinions and perspective views. That's the beauty of us all being in the same boat :D

[shellygurrrl]

it's how it is supposed to work, who wrote it isn't ignorant about the human psyche.



i see some contradiction, because it's being "part of the game" that makes you feel empathy.
I definitely think being here, in physical form, means you feel empathy (if you are sane). I think one can't help but be attached in some way to feeling emotions. What I meant is that I just get so sick of playing the game, being a part of this, dealing with it... it gets so tiring. Ugh, I'm done, don't want to do it again...

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Incidentally, why are these books so expensive? I went to try and order one and it's 70 bucks. I guess it's a big book, but still. Don't know if I'm ready to drop that much money right now. It sounds fascinating though!

[the moral man]

I'm not poor, I am skint (literally) and homeless. MM did say though that he thinks there are rich people who are minion incarnations too but that they tend to be more frequent in poor communities since they are pack orientated. You have every right to stick up for people if you feel that way and I respect you for that.

I better go in a minute as I have spent far too long on the pc today (slaps wrist). Good night chaps.

Dear itsallinus
kind regards
ex sheep spends his time defending a majority of poor people who would rob him of his life savings if they got the chance, the majority that he defends are scumbags.
The sooner that he realizes where his loyalty lies he will be a better person for it.
My Father was a Socialist who used to have the same mentality, it is a noble but very misguided viewpoint to have.
Such people operate on the basis that they are good people because they sympathise with people who have no money.
People usually sympathise with such people based on three reasons.
1. They believe in Jesus Christ's views on the poor.
2. They believe that poor people are victims of the system.
3. Such people are poor themselves.
In regards to the first point.
The Biblical Jesus had an imbalanced lightsider position, he gave all and others took all.
People who believe in Jesus give all and such people attract people who are willing to take all.
Have you ever wondered why all your good deeds are usually rewarded by being taken advantage of by parasites?
Well now you have the answer because good people (out of balance people) attract bad people (out of balance people) to themselves, it is best to be a balanced individual.
In regards to the second point.
Poor people maybe victims of the credit system and The Game, but that is not the problem of any key individual.
Most poor people that I know are trapped in loops of buying things that they don't need.
In my direct dealings with hard ups it is always the same story, they always have to beg and yet they spend their money on rubbish.
This one girl that I used to know had a three hundred bill for Sky Box Office.
Furthermore, most of these people will take your money, never pay you back and make you pay for being a sucker by treating you like dirt, it is best to be neutral to these people instead of getting mired in their problems.
In regards to the third point.
If someone is poor, it is unfortunate, but the Incarnation should be aware that their Higher Self choose this particular circumstance for them and the Higher Self will improve their financial position if it within Shims desires to do so.
Your abundance of finance or lack of it is at the whims of your creator the Higher Self.
When you realize this fact, you dissociate yourself from hating the system and trust that when it is your Higher Self's plan for you to be in a better financial position then it will happen.
I feel my own Higher Self is gradually giving me things rather than unloading them on me quickly.
I have been posting on forums from 2003 to the present I spent most of those years from about 2003 to 2007 being a Bible believing fundamentalist and hater of all things contrary to that belief.
Now why did I have to go through all of this time operating under that reality when Matrix V was avaliable all of those years?
Why did I stumble upon the Matrix V in Summer of last year and keep going back to the website to look at it again?
Why did lordzoma appear on this forum posting about Matrix V just a little while after I discovered the Matrix V trilogy?
I came upon Matrix V when I was open minded enough to give it serious attention and take it seriously.
I believe that such things happen according to the Higher Selves divine timing and that timing is perfect.
Your Higher Self will give you what you need and when you need it.
All of this hate for the system, hate for the circumstances of the poor and hate for your present circumstances is useless, disguard it all and concentrate on yourself.
This above statement is what I have learned from the Matrix V trilogy, now I hate less things than I used to.
David Icke's books are directly geared to make you hate all of those three things and that is why his books, whilst valid, are not as advanced as the Matrix V trilogy.
yours thankfully
John

[runciter]

min⋅ion  [min-yuhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. a servile follower or subordinate of a person in power.

Minions are followers at heart. They are part of a group mind and group collective. They follow the majority. They are the sheep. They are the fodder the elite use to foster majority support in all of their endeavors. They are the obstacle that all those who peddle the truth face in attempting to awaken the masses.

The only way to awaken a minion is to awaken them all. The only way to awaken them all is to speak to them all. Enter the Mass Media. The Media controls the minions and therefore they control the thought process of the majority of mankind.

This is the way it is in Endgame.

Do I think it is an inherently negative connotation? Yes, of course it is. Minions are an abomination that the planet does not want, but must face as part of its own path towards graduation.

vicious circle: there would be no "minions" if there weren't disturbed elitist manipulators.

you religion is a classic "blame the victim" brainwashing, a variation on the illuminati theme.

[runciter]

No need to prove to others or any way. As Morpheus (the matrix) said: I cannot show you the matrix, you have to see it for yourself.

I am well aware of the nature of our consciousness and how its been manipulated, that even beyond death lie many illusions. I do not see the Matrix books as the 'be all and end all'. I do however think it is more accurate (and has already proved to me on a number of things including predictions) than any other book/presentation etc I have come across (and there's been loads). So much material I encounter is old news compared to the matrix books.

We all have the ability to make our own judgements and should always respect the views of others if we agree with them or not. I respect your opinion and I hope you can respect mine. What's unhealthy is to reject any differing viewpoint that does not fit in with your own. Don't like it, fine, leave it for others to debate that perhaps do and would like to know more.

no i don't respect your opinion, because it's a sickening metaphysical judgement on the rest of mankind.

you're suggesting that most humans are like animals or objects, it's up to you to prove it's not schizophrenia.

[runciter]

Perhaps his higher self wants him to experience suffering so he has more clarity about the life he wants. For example, in order to experience bliss he needs to know what 'bliss' actually could be and so experiences the duality of bliss as a kind of measurement.

an excellent excuse to restrain from helping others, with a distinguishable sadistic flavour.

[runciter]

Utter rubbish. We are all different on almost any level, my fours brothers, born from the same womb, are all different from me. We have different levels of understanding, knowledge, wisdom, patience, love, attitude, behaviour. In fact I have often though that one of them was more like an animal than a human because of his actions, the way he lived his life and treated his own dwellings as well as his own thought processes.

you're postulating some metaphysical difference between higher selfish people and minions.

i'm not speaking of differences between individuals, the problem is with insane categorizations.

what you wrote about your brother is saddening, it tells something about you.

[runciter]

seperation is a construct of the mind a part of duality...there is only oneness:)

i'm not you, we are separated but connected, both perspectives are correct.

blurred oneness is as misleading as the idea of total disjunction, energy flows in the middle.

[runciter]

Your contradicting yourself. On behalf of angels? Are you a lightsider?

can't you perceive how childish it sounds? lightsiders and darksiders?

and it's also pure man-made dualism, the distinction is obviously artificial.

[runciter]

I was referring to what the books had helped me with, in looking within etc which they do.



As LZ mentioned earlier in this thread, the minions are part of the earth higher self consciousness. It's not elitist from my perspective, only an observation that makes a lot of sense to me in many ways. If you don't agree, fine.

60%, 5 Billion, whatever, don't know how many and it does not matter. The matrix books tell us not to be concerned with these things.

the "observation" that most humans are animals in human form makes a lot of sense to you.

this tells something about you, and not about humanity or reality (same goes for monsieur zoma).

further ruminations only serve the purpose of cloaking your religion's inhumanity.

[runciter]

Its his opinion and he is entitled to it. Your opinion is that its rubbish. Freedom of speech. If you disagree you voice your opinion and leave it at that. Why do you continue to repeat your opinion if you've already said how you think. Others may agree with you or not. I really don't see this thread is getting us anywhere constructive and it seems a shame. It could of been.

this is strange, because the assumption that most humans are actually sub-humans is highly constructive.

strange how we aren't getting anywhere, despite some people's innocent intentions.

[runciter]

Ultimately Minions are not less than you at all. The difference is that while you will incarnate many human bodies simultaneously over the course of a long period of time -- The higher self inside the planet will incarnate as all animal and plant life on that planet throughout the planets life - which also includes all of the minion spirits.

This knowledge is not meant to treat minions as anything less than you are, for all minions are a piece of a higher self that is exactly the same as you, only one which chose a different path. It is not the purpose of the M5 material to treat those that are different as inferiors. The M5 material embraces the universal 'laws' (suggestions) such as the law of allowance.

It is, however, a firm truth, that when comparing the individual incarnation, it is the human incarnation with a higher self, rather than the minion, or the sequential alien, that holds the highest potential for spiritual awareness and power while within the game.

sure, it is a firm truth, except it only exists in your egregious mind.

there was a specific word to define this phenomenon, i can't recall it now.

[runciter]

I'm not poor, I am skint (literally) and homeless. MM did say though that he thinks there are rich people who are minion incarnations too but that they tend to be more frequent in poor communities since they are pack orientated. You have every right to stick up for people if you feel that way and I respect you for that.

I better go in a minute as I have spent far too long on the pc today (slaps wrist). Good night chaps.

this is another little piece to add to the puzzle: the genocidal psychopaths are higher humans.

so the hypnotic suggestion is to identify with the elite more than with their victims... what a surprise.

[runciter]

Then why would you call them Minions? You don't think this term has an extremely negative connotation?

why? because it's a truth, and like every truly true truth it can't, and should not, be proved, like the bible.

[runciter]

I definitely think being here, in physical form, means you feel empathy (if you are sane). I think one can't help but be attached in some way to feeling emotions. What I meant is that I just get so sick of playing the game, being a part of this, dealing with it... it gets so tiring. Ugh, I'm done, don't want to do it again...

-----------------

Incidentally, why are these books so expensive? I went to try and order one and it's 70 bucks. I guess it's a big book, but still. Don't know if I'm ready to drop that much money right now. It sounds fascinating though!

download parts 1-4 in pdf format, wash your brain accurately, then decide if the holy text is worth the expense.

if you're looking for a belief system that can make you feel special, and care less about suffering (and honour the elite).

[ex sheep]

Dear itsallinus
kind regards
ex sheep spends his time defending a majority of poor people who would rob him of his life savings if they got the chance, the majority that he defends are scumbags.
The sooner that he realizes where his loyalty lies he will be a better person for it.

What a load of shite. Don't talk crap, you fool.

I asked you at the begining,
OK Batman, there are over 5 billion minnows out there driving buses, serving big macs, sweeping the streets, bank managers etc.
So how do we know who those minnows are without a higher self, are they easy to spot, could I be one ?

reply
I suggest you read the Matrix V trilogy for more information on Minion Incarnations.
Minion Incarnations are group oriented and animalistic.


You tell me to go and buy a $90 book to find the truth, is the truth not already here, must every body buy this book to find the truth. Crap.

You say I spend my time defending poor people without a soul or higher self

NO

I show empathy.

I have no elitist attitude towards any being or thing

That is my problem with your OP.

Don't try and tell me what "I think" with your elitist attitude.

Each of us is the same kind of being, we are all one, Your Higher Self is about experience, as is everyone else's.





.

[the moral man]

Dear ex sheep
kind regards
In response to your comments.

What a load of shite. Don't talk crap, you fool.

I asked you at the begining,
OK Batman, there are over 5 billion minnows out there driving buses, serving big macs, sweeping the streets, bank managers etc.
So how do we know who those minnows are without a higher self, are they easy to spot, could I be one ?

You can't even spell the word Minion properly and you call me a fool?

reply
I suggest you read the Matrix V trilogy for more information on Minion Incarnations.
Minion Incarnations are group oriented and animalistic.


You tell me to go and buy a $90 book to find the truth, is the truth not already here, must every body buy this book to find the truth. Crap.

There is information at the trufax.org website and on this forum.
It would be beneficial to purchase the books to get the answers that you want.
I wanted the answers on various issues from the book and I ordered it.
What more can I say?

You say I spend my time defending poor people without a soul or higher self

NO

I show empathy.

I have no elitist attitude towards any being or thing

That is my problem with your OP.

You are an imbalanced person, you sympathise with the majority of poor people that would rob you of your life savings.
Do you think that these poor people care about you?
These dirt poor ASBO scum families are tearing up this country root and branch.
They give birth to the kinds of kids that would terrorize your kids and then punch you for accusing their wayward kid of any wrongdoing.

Don't try and tell me what "I think" with your elitist attitude.

You are a simpleton and a defender of a majority of riff raff, end of story.

Each of us is the same kind of being, we are all one, Your Higher Self is about experience, as is everyone else's.

Really?
We are not one, the Minion Incarnations are one spirit, whereas the individual Higher Selves are different Spirits.
I feel that instead of this New Age baloney of all being one, it would be wiser to state that everyone outside of oneself represents an aspect of your Higher Self in Simultaneous Time.
We cannot be everything in one lifetime, but we can be everything in Simultaneous Time where all of our different lifetimes are taking place.
You cannot be a man, woman, doctor, dentist, gangster, preacher, sportsman, king in one lifetime, but you can be all of them in Simultaneous Time.
We are not one with our fellow being, but they represent an aspect of your being that you are in Simultaneous Time.
You are not a Doctor in this lifetime, but you have a Doctor, he is not you, but he represents an aspect of what your Higher Self creates in another lifetime of yours going on presently.
You are too fixated on your current Incarnations status and unaware that all of your realities going on at once.
You could be an elitist stepping on the poor in one of your lifetimes going on right now, you should not pledge alliegence to any experience other than to the Higher Self.
Your problem is that you pledge alliegence to your current experience and come to the polarized conclusion that your incomplete life (and therefore mind) can come to.
You are seeing things from your limited personalities standpoint and not your Higher Self's point of view and that is your challenge to overcome.
yours thankfully
John

[ex sheep]

Dear ex sheep
kind regards
In response to your comments.



You can't even spell the word Minion properly and you call me a fool?



There is information at the trufax.org website and on this forum.
It would be beneficial to purchase the books to get the answers that you want.
I wanted the answers on various issues from the book and I ordered it.
What more can I say?



You are an imbalanced person, you sympathise with the majority of poor people that would rob you of your life savings.
Do you think that these poor people care about you?
These dirt poor ASBO scum families are tearing up this country root and branch.
They give birth to the kinds of kids that would terrorize your kids and then punch you for accusing their wayward kid of any wrongdoing.



You are a simpleton and a defender of a majority of riff raff, end of story.



Really?
We are not one, the Minion Incarnations are one spirit, whereas the individual Higher Selves are different Spirits.
I feel that instead of this New Age baloney of all being one, it would be wiser to state that everyone outside of oneself represents an aspect of your Higher Self in Simultaneous Time.
We cannot be everything in one lifetime, but we can be everything in Simultaneous Time where all of our different lifetimes are taking place.
You cannot be a man, woman, doctor, dentist, gangster, preacher, sportsman, king in one lifetime, but you can be all of them in Simultaneous Time.
We are not one with our fellow being, but they represent an aspect of your being that you are in Simultaneous Time.
You are not a Doctor in this lifetime, but you have a Doctor, he is not you, but he represents an aspect of what your Higher Self creates in another lifetime of yours going on presently.
You are too fixated on your current Incarnations status and unaware that all of your realities going on at once.
You could be an elitist stepping on the poor in one of your lifetimes going on right now, you should not pledge alliegence to any experience other than to the Higher Self.
Your problem is that you pledge alliegence to your current experience and come to the polarized conclusion that your incomplete life (and therefore mind) can come to.
You are seeing things from your limited personalities standpoint and not your Higher Self's point of view and that is your challenge to overcome.
yours thankfully
John
What a load of tosh

I was having a laugh with the minnow thing :D

Call me "imbalanced"
you don't know me you fool

"I am a simpleton and a defender of a majority of riff raff, end of story."

You are a troll who tried posting this topic in another section twice !

and you want to push your elitist attitude again.

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4022/fishmlt0ha.gif

[the moral man]

What a load of tosh

I was having a laugh with the minnow thing :D

Call me "imbalanced"
you don't know me you fool

"I am a simpleton and a defender of a majority of riff raff, end of story."

You are a troll who tried posting this topic in another section twice !

and you want to push your elitist attitude again.

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4022/fishmlt0ha.gif

Dear ex sheep
kind regards
It is obvious that you are an Incarnation that is set in his ways and wants to identify with a council estate majority that are largely responsible for the crime rates in this country, that is your right.
I am not an elitist, just a realist and with a balanced viewpoint.
I wouldn't be an elitist and persecute the poor (I am sure that I have done that in some other life) and neither would I be a misguided Socialist and defend the poor (I am sure that I have done in some other life).
I am free of the polarity issue and will simply let the wheel of experiences move forward as they will, you want to stop the wheel moving forward and deny independent experience.
You can wish and hope to change things, but don't hold your breath.
I will now turn my attention to the troll of this thread known as Ruciter as you have taken up enough of my time.
yours thankfully
John

[ex sheep]

Dear ex sheep
kind regards
It is obvious that you are an Incarnation that is set in his ways and wants to identify with a council estate majority that are largely responsible for the crime rates in this country, that is your right.
I am not an elitist, just a realist and with a balanced viewpoint.
I wouldn't be an elitist and persecute the poor (I am sure that I have done that in some other life) and neither would I be a misguided Socialist and defend the poor (I am sure that I have done in some other life).
I am free of the polarity issue and will simply let the wheel of experiences move forward as they will, you want to stop the wheel moving forward and deny independent experience.
You can wish and hope to change things, but don't hold your breath.
I will now turn my attention to the troll of this thread known as Ruciter as you have taken up enough of my time.
yours thankfully
John

Hey sunshine get your elitist facts right before you start accusing me.

I never mentioned ANYTHING about people in council estates, you did.

I have never mentioned ANYTHING about defending the "scumbags" you did.

All I asked was how do you tell someone who has no soul and do I have one.

Who counted the 5 Billion minions, what a load of tosh. :D

You have shown me you have no humour, no compassion, no empathy, you have stated that you do not care about other beings, they are trash, scumbags.
Now who else has this kinda attitude, mmmmnn, let me think.....mmmmm....

No matter how confused or stupid or unloving other persons may appear to us, we have no right ever to assume that their consciousness is on a lower level than ours. They may be realizing far deeper dimensions of love. The way we see them is an explicit measure of our own vibrational level.

This is the attitude I have.


Bye agent Smith.

[i_b_awake]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I am starting this thread to bring up a few points for David Icke members.
David Icke members are always taking about the injustice of our World and not looking at things from a broader spiritual perspective.
Here are some facts.
1. Your Higher Self incarnates simultaneously for different experiences.
2. We are living in a dark sector of the galaxy.
Take Margaret Thatcher for example.
People HATE this woman because of the havoc that she bought to this nation and to poor people.
Regardless of what people say, The Higher Self created that Incarnational strand (who lived as Thatcher) to experience the life of a leader and to live from that unique perspective.
You can count on Thatcher's Higher Self to be fair and to create an Incarnational strand where it is living in poverty and on the receiving end of a leader who only sees things from their point of their view.
The problem with David Icke devotees is that they see things from a lightsider perspective and want to change the rules of The Game.
We sometimes curse our position and the lives of other people, not realizing that the Higher Selves that created those lives only see them as experiences.
If this is the case, why are people on this forum taking themselves and the World so seriously?
A Higher Self wants to experience all polarities (good/bad, rich/poor, straight/gay, capitalist/socialist, leader/follower, pretty/ugly, strong/weak, famous/joe public etc) and that is the ONLY reason for its Incarnations on Earth and not to correct The Game.
The very people who hate Thatcher should try to see if they can look at ALL of their lives in Simultaneous Time and they will see that they were a cold hearted leader who saw the lesser well off as undeserving also.
NOTHING except the Graduation will stop the polarity that you hate, so there is no point in hating anything and to simply see this World as a stage where actors (Incarnational strands) are acting on behalf of their superior (Higher Self) to gain experience.
David Icke is a lightsider who is encouraging people to waste their time in challenging The Game and any attempts at challenging the The Game will be met with defeat.
Your goal is to get the experiences that your Higher Self needs and then leave, forget about the chaos all around you, none of this is your problem.
Let us not forger that there are OVER FIVE BILLION Minion Incarnations on Earth today and they don't even have a Higher Self.
Be not concerned with the state of things, or the various polarities (which are now filled with Minions), instead be concerned with what your Higher Self requires and how to improve your own life.
I feel that this message is long overdue and I am glad that I got around to posting it.
I hope that you all take heed of my words and shape your life around this truth.
yours thankfully
John


LOL .. What a load of rubbish! IMHO

[ex sheep]

LOL .. What a load of rubbish! IMHO

He He I know.....

Here are some facts......................
:D

[arty2000]

i'm not you, we are separated but connected, both perspectives are correct.

blurred oneness is as misleading as the idea of total disjunction, energy flows in the middle.

imo I am you,we may have manifested different characteristics and have differing awarenesses... but we come from the same source unless you believe that there is a seperate runciter section that is distinguishable from the rest...yes we have the illusion of being seperate but it is only an illusion:)

energy flows in the middle...its called balance but it also flows in many directions and it can manifest any form it chooses...energy is neutral in its natural state it is when it begins to move/manifest that we start to experience the something others...does that make energy good or evil?

[arty2000]

sure, it is a firm truth, except it only exists in your egregious mind.

there was a specific word to define this phenomenon, i can't recall it now.

I can help it is called....ONE:).....energy that manifests is no better or worse than any other manifested energy:)

[runciter]

imo I am you,we may have manifested different characteristics and have differing awarenesses... but we come from the same source unless you believe that there is a seperate runciter section that is distinguishable from the rest...yes we have the illusion of being seperate but it is only an illusion:)

energy flows in the middle...its called balance but it also flows in many directions and it can manifest any form it chooses...energy is neutral in its natural state it is when it begins to move/manifest that we start to experience the something others...does that make energy good or evil?

oneness and minionness are mutually exclusive, don't you think?

how can energy flow freely if people erect barriers against other humans?

[runciter]

I can help it is called....ONE:).....energy that manifests is no better or worse than any other manifested energy:)

the most natural state of being is identification with every other living creature... that would be true oneness! :)

[arty2000]

oneness and minionness are mutually exclusive, don't you think?

how can energy flow freely if people erect barriers against other humans?

I agree:)...I dont label folks myself I dont see the purpose in it but if others do then so be it thats their choice...I dont get angry and beat my head against the wall and wring my hands I dont see the purpose in that either...there are only barriers if you allow them whether in this illusion or another in ...imo energy has no barriers it is free to manifest as it wishes:)

[arty2000]

the most natural state of being is identification with every other living creature... that would be true oneness! :)

yes:)

[the moral man]

Dear arty2000
kind regards
In response to your comments.

imo I am you,we may have manifested different characteristics and have differing awarenesses... but we come from the same source unless you believe that there is a seperate runciter section that is distinguishable from the rest...yes we have the illusion of being seperate but it is only an illusion

Higher Selves are individual Spirits of independent experience, it is only the Minions who are one because they are extentions of the planetary Spirit which is a Higher Self on the nature path.

energy flows in the middle...its called balance but it also flows in many directions and it can manifest any form it chooses...energy is neutral in its natural state it is when it begins to move/manifest that we start to experience the something others...does that make energy good or evil?

The Higher Self in a balanced entity, yet it sends down Spirit extentions to exist in imbalanced and polaric situations, this could indeed be perceived as seperation.
The Spirit extentions are lifetimes that operate in a polarized World, your Higher Self is complete within itself as a balanced entity and experiences which it collects through all of its lifetimes going on at the same time.
Your Higher Self is collecting all of the experiences that its Spirit extentions has (Man, Woman, King, Beggar, Rich businessman, working class citizen, Famous personality, Hermit, Churchman, Gangster, Gay, Straight, Policeman, Prisoner etc).
Other Higher Selves are individual and seperate from you, but they are collecting experiences in much the same way.
The Higher Self is experiencing every reality that you currently seeing around you in the form of people, these people are not you, but the experience that you are seeing is an aspect that your Higher Self is aware of.
It is not truthful to assume that we are all one because your Higher Self is an individual Spirit and one of its objectives is to convey that to you.
I have never liked this oneness concept and feel that is demeaning to the individual and a money making ploy that New Agers preach but don't practice.
If that shyster David Wilcock REALLY believes that we are all one, then why doesn't he give all of his wealth away to his incarnations in Africa who aren't eating tonight?
The fact is that this oneness baloney is designed to dumb us down like a drug and make us somehow lesser, just another face of "God".
This God that Wilcock believes in is just a mishmash of his crummy and inventive brain, which works day and night to generate more money so that he can pursue a career in the entertainment industry.
I feel that a man of your obvious intelligence will be able to see through the smokescreens now that you have been informed of the facts.
yours thankfully
John

[runciter]

If that shyster David Wilcock REALLY believes that we are all one, then why doesn't he give all of his wealth away to his incarnations in Africa who aren't eating tonight?

why not try to shape a reality where everyone can live a decent life?

the assumption that many of us are somehow condemned to suffer may be untrue.

wealth is controlled by the people who can create money out of nothing, it's an absurd privilege.

[ex sheep]

So oneness goes out the window http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5929/mr4706xe2.gif

What about infinite love is that an illusion too. http://www.comicguide.net/images/smilies/out.gif

[kweli]

oneness and minionness are mutually exclusive, don't you think?

how can energy flow freely if people erect barriers against other humans?

the most natural state of being is identification with every other living creature... that would be true oneness! :)

This person speaks the most sense to me. Folk seem to be falling into so many traps - ready made programs set to ensnare them.

moral man? meh! Just read through some of this fellas stuff in a thread in the rant room; it beggars belief how some of you can fall for this crap!

[the moral man]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.

why not try to shape a reality where everyone can live a decent life?

the assumption that many of us are somehow condemned to suffer may be untrue.

Your desires are honourable.
The Higher Self desires all kinds of experiences, including the experience of being rich and poor.
We are in a World of polarity (Man/Woman, Rich/Poor, Straight/Gay, Famous/Hermit, Leader/Follower, Strength/Weakness, Intelligence/Stupidity, Superiority/Inferiority).
It seems that everything is split in two in our World and hence such a World cannot be perfect and it is the desires of the Higher Self that this should be the case.
The Aliens want to Sequentalize the planet to create equality and therefore destroy the diversity of our planet.

wealth is controlled by the people who can create money out of nothing, it's an absurd privilege.

Very true, but we are in a Dark sector of the galaxy which is presided over by Orion Reptiles and they live by a monetary system.
The Aliens also split the perfect human body into two genders and the Higher Self has taken advantage of this and used it for different experiences and the financial split also serves a similar purpous.
yours thankfully
John

[arty2000]

Dear arty2000
kind regards
In response to your comments.



Higher Selves are individual Spirits of independent experience, it is only the Minions who are one because they are extentions of the planetary Spirit which is a Higher Self on the nature path.



The Higher Self in a balanced entity, yet it sends down Spirit extentions to exist in imbalanced and polaric situations, this could indeed be perceived as seperation.
The Spirit extentions are lifetimes that operate in a polarized World, your Higher Self is complete within itself as a balanced entity and experiences which it collects through all of its lifetimes going on at the same time.
Your Higher Self is collecting all of the experiences that its Spirit extentions has (Man, Woman, King, Beggar, Rich businessman, working class citizen, Famous personality, Hermit, Churchman, Gangster, Gay, Straight, Policeman, Prisoner etc).
Other Higher Selves are individual and seperate from you, but they are collecting experiences in much the same way.
The Higher Self is experiencing every reality that you currently seeing around you in the form of people, these people are not you, but the experience that you are seeing is an aspect that your Higher Self is aware of.
It is not truthful to assume that we are all one because your Higher Self is an individual Spirit and one of its objectives is to convey that to you.
I have never liked this oneness concept and feel that is demeaning to the individual and a money making ploy that New Agers preach but don't practice.
If that shyster David Wilcock REALLY believes that we are all one, then why doesn't he give all of his wealth away to his incarnations in Africa who aren't eating tonight?
The fact is that this oneness baloney is designed to dumb us down like a drug and make us somehow lesser, just another face of "God".
This God that Wilcock believes in is just a mishmash of his crummy and inventive brain, which works day and night to generate more money so that he can pursue a career in the entertainment industry.
I feel that a man of your obvious intelligence will be able to see through the smokescreens now that you have been informed of the facts.
yours thankfully
John

we can agree to disagree on several points:)...I believe that anything created by the I am is the I am just manifesting in a diffrent form...there is nothing wasted,no effort to small,never ceasing to be all manifested for the greater understanding of the "all that is"...to experience itself in different ways:)...therefore imo I dont see how there could be any seperation or division:)

[ex sheep]

This person speaks the most sense to me. Folk seem to be falling into so many traps - ready made programs set to ensnare them.

moral man? meh! Just read through some of this fellas stuff in a thread in the rant room; it beggars belief how some of you can fall for this crap!

Well I've just read some of his stuff and :eek:

He is a troll of the highest degree.

I can see why peeps are ignoring his posts.

and now I do the same. :cool:

[michael christopher]

The Aliens want to Sequentalize the planet to create equality and therefore destroy the diversity of our planet.

Sounds like I'm rooting for the aliens. Anyone who stands against equality has some ego issues and the Matrix is another egotistical trap designed to ensnare people who are too insecure to figure out their own truths.

[itsallinus]

Sounds like I'm rooting for the aliens. Anyone who stands against equality has some ego issues and the Matrix is another egotistical trap designed to ensnare people who are too insecure to figure out their own truths.

I liken the mindset of aliens to that of ants. Their version of equality is having us all micro-chipped and controlled to the point we are not much different from robots. All equal but also not thinking independantly and just 'drones' with the small minority at the top dictating everything we do. Does not seem to be too far off either!!!

[lordzoma]

Sounds like I'm rooting for the aliens. Anyone who stands against equality has some ego issues and the Matrix is another egotistical trap designed to ensnare people who are too insecure to figure out their own truths.

It's not about equality the way you think. It is a homonization of the diverse life experience on the planet. 500 years ago you could live in southern Africa or live in Germany and have a completely different life experience. What we're approaching is a point where it doesn't matter where on the planet you are born, you will be dealing with the same things, learning the same lessons, watching the same television. The differences would become more and more subtle as technology progresses until the culture and experience of being born on Earth would only be distinguishable to that of other planets.

[runciter]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.



Your desires are honourable.
The Higher Self desires all kinds of experiences, including the experience of being rich and poor.
We are in a World of polarity (Man/Woman, Rich/Poor, Straight/Gay, Famous/Hermit, Leader/Follower, Strength/Weakness, Intelligence/Stupidity, Superiority/Inferiority).
It seems that everything is split in two in our World and hence such a World cannot be perfect and it is the desires of the Higher Self that this should be the case.
The Aliens want to Sequentalize the planet to create equality and therefore destroy the diversity of our planet.



Very true, but we are in a Dark sector of the galaxy which is presided over by Orion Reptiles and they live by a monetary system.
The Aliens also split the perfect human body into two genders and the Higher Self has taken advantage of this and used it for different experiences and the financial split also serves a similar purpous.
yours thankfully
John

there are natural polarities based on complementarity and fake polarities based on opposition.

what you describe is beyond 5 senses perception, so it's influenced by beliefs, nothing objective.

[runciter]

It's not about equality the way you think. It is a homonization of the diverse life experience on the planet. 500 years ago you could live in southern Africa or live in Germany and have a completely different life experience. What we're approaching is a point where it doesn't matter where on the planet you are born, you will be dealing with the same things, learning the same lessons, watching the same television. The differences would become more and more subtle as technology progresses until the culture and experience of being born on Earth would only be distinguishable to that of other planets.

you can still live in africa or in germany and have a completely different experience, even if the (human) genocidal psychopaths are trying to make everything look the same, and turn this planet into a huge concentration camp (with your submissive approval, it seems).

at the same time there is something beyond comprehension that is pulling us towards spiritual unity.

anyway, your mental chinese boxes and sci-fi fantasies only serve the purpose of protecting the elite.

[the moral man]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.

there are natural polarities based on complementarity and fake polarities based on opposition.

These polarities are individual experiences.

what you describe is beyond 5 senses perception, so it's influenced by beliefs, nothing objective.

You are talking from a lovey-dovey Icke perspective of overwriting the valid experiences of the 3rd density.
The Higher Self places its Incarnations onto this planet to experience the different realities, the realities are not one, but rather split.
The Higher Self has all of these polarities and experiences within itself when it calls up its Incarnational strands and graduates.

you can still live in africa or in germany and have a completely different experience, even if the (human) genocidal psychopaths are trying to make everything look the same, and turn this planet into a huge concentration camp (with your submissive approval, it seems).

At this time you can have different experiences, but these differences are slowly breaking down.
I am of the opinion that this One World idea is going to take some time as it is inbuilt within every racial group to strive hard to maintain their identity regardless of what the elite strives to do.
Lordzoma doesn't approve of the situation, its just that he recognizes that he can't change The Game and that this mess won't end untill Graduation.

at the same time there is something beyond comprehension that is pulling us towards spiritual unity.

Really?
Our World is an amoral toilet and yet you think that the people are unified?

anyway, your mental chinese boxes and sci-fi fantasies only serve the purpose of protecting the elite.

If you think thats the case, why are you not fighting the elite right now?
You know that it is not possible to fight the government because they are in control and you cannot muster up enough people (most of whom are low and mid-advanced Higher Selfs and Minion Incarnations) to join you to fight against the elite.
It is time for you to see the truth and stop believing in fairy tales.
yours thankfully
John

[runciter]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.



These polarities are individual experiences.



You are talking from a lovey-dovey Icke perspective of overwriting the valid experiences of the 3rd density.
The Higher Self places its Incarnations onto this planet to experience the different realities, the realities are not one, but rather split.
The Higher Self has all of these polarities and experiences within itself when it calls up its Incarnational strands and graduates.



At this time you can have different experiences, but these differences are slowly breaking down.
I am of the opinion that this One World idea is going to take some time as it is inbuilt within every racial group to strive hard to maintain their identity regardless of what the elite strives to do.
Lordzoma doesn't approve of the situation, its just that he recognizes that he can't change The Game and that this mess won't end untill Graduation.



Really?
Our World is an amoral toilet and yet you think that the people are unified?



If you think thats the case, why are you not fighting the elite right now?
You know that it is not possible to fight the government because they are in control and you cannot muster up enough people (most of whom are low and mid-advanced Higher Selfs and Minion Incarnations) to join you to fight against the elite.
It is time for you to see the truth and stop believing in fairy tales.
yours thankfully
John

i don't want to fight anything or anyone, it's the elite that is at war against me/us.

our heavy 3d material reality is reactive to thought, especially people and living creatures.

it may take some time, but this isn't a good reason to surrender and accept their belief system.

[the moral man]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.

i don't want to fight anything or anyone, it's the elite that is at war against me/us.

Yes the elite are at war against you, but you criticize lordzoma for being passive, so what are yoi going to do about it then?

our heavy 3d material reality is reactive to thought, especially people and living creatures.

Please explain how this is relevant to the discussion.

it may take some time, but this isn't a good reason to surrender and accept their belief system.

Do you remember in the Dark Knight how The Joker had gotten all of the money and the Serb gangster was happy, only to be upset when the Joker burned it all?
Well even these elites can't beat The Game (which was created by Higher Self graduates) and there will be a Graduation before the Aliens succeed in their plans.
The Higher Self Finals will graduate and The Earth planetary Spirit will graduate and the Orion empire will be left with nothing.
You would know this if you actually bothered to read the Matrix V trilogy.
It is not that lordzoma is passive or cowardly, but he understands what will happen and when, which is something that you lack at this time.
yours thankfully
John

[runciter]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.



Yes the elite are at war against you, but you criticize lordzoma for being passive, so what are yoi going to do about it then?



Please explain how this is relevant to the discussion.



Do you remember in the Dark Knight how The Joker had gotten all of the money and the Serb gangster was happy, only to be upset when the Joker burned it all?
Well even these elites can't beat The Game (which was created by Higher Self graduates) and there will be a Graduation before the Aliens succeed in their plans.
The Higher Self Finals will graduate and The Earth planetary Spirit will graduate and the Orion empire will be left with nothing.
You would know this if you actually bothered to read the Matrix V trilogy.
It is not that lordzoma is passive or cowardly, but he understands what will happen and when, which is something that you lack at this time.
yours thankfully
John

it is relevant because what you accept and reject within you is the only thing that matters.

spiritual passivity makes you attract the outcome you believe is inevitable, it's a vicious circle.

and of course actions are a manifestation of your beliefs, and you're promoting an elitist doctrine.

you're adapting your morals to the situation, i don't think it has anything to do with "understanding".

unless you use under-standing as a synonym of submission, passive acceptance.

[geewhizz]

Dear arty2000
kind regards
In response to your comments.



Higher Selves are individual Spirits of independent experience, it is only the Minions who are one because they are extentions of the planetary Spirit which is a Higher Self on the nature path.



The Higher Self in a balanced entity, yet it sends down Spirit extentions to exist in imbalanced and polaric situations, this could indeed be perceived as seperation.
The Spirit extentions are lifetimes that operate in a polarized World, your Higher Self is complete within itself as a balanced entity and experiences which it collects through all of its lifetimes going on at the same time.
Your Higher Self is collecting all of the experiences that its Spirit extentions has (Man, Woman, King, Beggar, Rich businessman, working class citizen, Famous personality, Hermit, Churchman, Gangster, Gay, Straight, Policeman, Prisoner etc).
Other Higher Selves are individual and seperate from you, but they are collecting experiences in much the same way.
The Higher Self is experiencing every reality that you currently seeing around you in the form of people, these people are not you, but the experience that you are seeing is an aspect that your Higher Self is aware of.
It is not truthful to assume that we are all one because your Higher Self is an individual Spirit and one of its objectives is to convey that to you.
I have never liked this oneness concept and feel that is demeaning to the individual and a money making ploy that New Agers preach but don't practice.
If that shyster David Wilcock REALLY believes that we are all one, then why doesn't he give all of his wealth away to his incarnations in Africa who aren't eating tonight?
The fact is that this oneness baloney is designed to dumb us down like a drug and make us somehow lesser, just another face of "God".
This God that Wilcock believes in is just a mishmash of his crummy and inventive brain, which works day and night to generate more money so that he can pursue a career in the entertainment industry.
I feel that a man of your obvious intelligence will be able to see through the smokescreens now that you have been informed of the facts.
yours thankfully
John

NO, Oneness is above the Higher Self. The HS is connected to the source which is Oneness so noone who stated this (Icke, the prat wilcock etc etc) is wrong in any way.

The M5 is flawed, end of story. It seems you've put your Bible away and found something else to beLIEve in.

[les_paul_robot]

What's with the Wilcox bashing? I liked a talk of his I watched, it made sense.

I understand the points here of each argument and I haven't really felt the need to comment.
What my higher self is going to experience from this incarnation is someone who felt the need to kick the arse of the NWO! FUCK EM!

Still waiting for my M5 to arrive though...

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I'd like to respond to the following people.
runciter.........

it is relevant because what you accept and reject within you is the only thing that matters.

Yes, in the case of your Incarnation, your reality is yours.

spiritual passivity makes you attract the outcome you believe is inevitable, it's a vicious circle.

That may be true to a point.

and of course actions are a manifestation of your beliefs, and you're promoting an elitist doctrine.

You haven't read M5 and therefore cannot comment on its content.

you're adapting your morals to the situation, i don't think it has anything to do with "understanding".

unless you use under-standing as a synonym of submission, passive acceptance.

In that case, prove me wrong and overthrow the elite.
geewhizz..........

NO, Oneness is above the Higher Self. The HS is connected to the source which is Oneness so noone who stated this (Icke, the prat wilcock etc etc) is wrong in any way.

I believe that Oneness is a bogus concept created eliminate the individuality of the Higher Selfs.
Please answer two questions.
1. Please define Oneness as your understand it?
2. If you believe in Oneness, then why don't you give your money away to hungry Africans?

The M5 is flawed, end of story. It seems you've put your Bible away and found something else to beLIEve in.

You are likely the most flawed person on this forum.
What kind of a person engages in sex with three women by convincing them that they are creating a balancing effect?
You are a disgrace to this forum and should be banned from here.
les_paul_robot............

What's with the Wilcox bashing? I liked a talk of his I watched, it made sense.

Wilcock is a good talker, any good money maker must be.
David Wilcock is simply using his New Age movement ideology to attend to his real agenda, that of using his donation money to forment a career in Hollywood.
The guy is a prima donna, I can tell that he is of the performing arts student variety because I was in classes full of them.
I think that Wilcock is a plagerizer who will say anything to make money.

I understand the points here of each argument and I haven't really felt the need to comment.
What my higher self is going to experience from this incarnation is someone who felt the need to kick the arse of the NWO! FUCK EM!

Yes, go ahead and fight The Game is the experience that you want.
Don't be surprised when The Game spots you and puts you in your place like it does with any individual that challenges its supremacy.

Still waiting for my M5 to arrive though...

The Matrix V trilogy is magnificent.
I will heed the words in those books and respect them, I cannot respect people like runciter and Geewhizz who think that they know it all and come up with their own phoney logic to pamper their own self importance.
yours thankfully
John

[runciter]

You haven't read M5 and therefore cannot comment on its content.

i'm commenting on the minion theory, as described in this thread.

In that case, prove me wrong and overthrow the elite.

wrong about what? i wrote that you're passively accepting the situation.

not everything can be changed instantaneously, some things require patience.

but you should always know what you want in your heart, despite external influence.

[the moral man]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.

i'm commenting on the minion theory, as described in this thread.

You are within your rights to accept or disregard the Minion theory.
I accept that there are a majority of animal spirits in human form because the way that most people are and how degenerate our World is.
Also Bob Monroe knew about the fact that animal spirits were being born into human wombs also.


wrong about what? i wrote that you're passively accepting the situation.

If the elites can be overthrown then don't talk about it, DO IT.

not everything can be changed instantaneously, some things require patience.

Yes true, but the Darksider governments are going to remain in control until graduation, nothing is going to change this.

but you should always know what you want in your heart, despite external influence.

True, but I'll go one further in Itallics.

but you should always know what your Higher Self wants, despite external influence and your own personalities desires.

Ponder the above statement because it is the truth.
yours thankfully
John

[runciter]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.



You are within your rights to accept or disregard the Minion theory.
I accept that there are a majority of animal spirits in human form because the way that most people are and how degenerate our World is.
Also Bob Monroe knew about the fact that animal spirits were being born into human wombs also.




If the elites can be overthrown then don't talk about it, DO IT.



Yes true, but the Darksider governments are going to remain in control until graduation, nothing is going to change this.



True, but I'll go one further in Itallics.

but you should always know what your Higher Self wants, despite external influence and your own personalities desires.

Ponder the above statement because it is the truth.
yours thankfully
John

the elites are gradually exposing themselves and losing their power, they are in a cul-de-sac.

one problem with your theory is that it portrays those genocidal psychopaths as true human souls.

their victims are mostly minions, i guess... why is our world so degenerate? what's the ultimate cause?

[geewhizz]

The more I read into all this, the more it sounds like Scientology.

[ex sheep]

Hey moral man, we all love you, you are fantastic. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h276/DianneOnly/sm_rose.gif

[the moral man]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.

the elites are gradually exposing themselves and losing their power, they are in a cul-de-sac.

In order for the elites to lose their power there has to be enough people to overthrow them.
The Higher Self incarnates are low and mid level, the rest of the people are Minion Incarnates.
The vast majority of people don't care what the elite gets up to.

one problem with your theory is that it portrays those genocidal psychopaths as true human souls.

The Reptilians are Sequential Higher Selfs and their human stooges are Darksider Simultaneous Higher Self beings.

their victims are mostly minions, i guess... why is our world so degenerate? what's the ultimate cause?

The Sequential Aliens and the Minions are destroying this World, most of the Simultaneous Higher Selfs can't do anything about this situation because they are low and mid advanced.
Very Advanced, Dominants and Finals are more adept to deal with the situation, this is done through knowledge and observation rather than plotting a government overthrow.
Spiritually advanced people are aware of The Game and the Graduation which will bring The Game to an end.
The best thing to do is to read the Matrix V trilogy and learn this for yourself.
I must state in an honest and respectful manner that you are both repetitive and overbearing in the extreme.
yours thankfully
John

[lordzoma]

The elites are 'losing power' in the sense that they are losing their direct control over this planet.

The orion reptilians that have been our 'elites' for the past four thousand years are SHETI rebels that took this planet over from those who had rightful claim to it.

When the Orion empire returns here (And it IS on its way) there is going to be a radical shift in direct control over this planet. As far as the rebel leaders in control of our planet our concerned, they want to have everything as pretty as possible wrapped up in a silver bow to hand over to the Orions when they arrive. Because if they don't, or even if they do, they could have their power ousted from them rather quickly.

According to Robert Morning Sky, this planet and our system were owned by the Orion empire, but control and ownership was given over to the Sirian empire because of the tactical importance of our system. (We are at the entrance to the 9th passageway). The Sirians controlled our planet amongst their own internal power struggles until a reptilian lizard faction rebelled and overthrew Ra circa 2000 BC. These reptilians have been in control ever since, and have known ever since that the Orion empire and factions in support of the empire would be returning here to take control over full control of the planet. If the rebels don't have everything neatly packaged by the time the Orions arrive, their achievements would be of little of value and would not curry favor with the future leaders of the planet. Supposedly the Rebel Queen has already fled our planet to make way for the arrival of the Orions.

Draw a direct parallel between ORION and the A RI AN (Aryan = Orion) Arian race that fought the allies in world war 2. The order of Thule and Hitler's campaign to wrestle control of Europe away from the other bloodline families was a power play by factions of the Orion empire who know that the real Orion forces would be arriving in the not too distant future.

The bottom line here is that the group in control of our planet has not had control for very long, only about 4 thousand years. Try as they might their control was severely weakened by Orion power struggles during World War 2 and though it may seem that they have accomplished so much, they could easily find themselves on the wrong side of the Orion Empresses favor. After all - they stole control of this planet from those who had rightful claim. We humans as actual biological descendants of a race that was created from an Earth evolved race, have the right to stake claim of this planet. It is my guess that the Orions know this, and want us to give our ownership rights of the planet away to them instead of claiming it for ourselves. The Sirians could always try to claim possession again, or even fight for it.

In many ways the biblical battle of armies of God vs the armies of Satan are a parallel between the rebel factions who control this planet and the Orion empire that returns to settle the situation.

The distinction between and the battle between Werewolves and Vampires, or Tigers and Dragons, is a direct metaphorical portrayal of the Sirian Wolfen Empire 'RRR' clashing with the Sheti lizards that overthrew the Sirian Ra to take control of this planet.

edit: I think it was circa 3000 bc.

[mind1universe]

The elites are 'losing power' in the sense that they are losing their direct control over this planet.

The orion reptilians that have been our 'elites' for the past four thousand years are SHETI rebels that took this planet over from those who had rightful claim to it.

When the Orion empire returns here (And it IS on its way) there is going to be a radical shift in direct control over this planet. As far as the rebel leaders in control of our planet our concerned, they want to have everything as pretty as possible wrapped up in a silver bow to hand over to the Orions when they arrive. Because if they don't, or even if they do, they could have their power ousted from them rather quickly.

According to Robert Morning Sky, this planet and our system were owned by the Orion empire, but control and ownership was given over to the Sirian empire because of the tactical importance of our system. (We are at the entrance to the 9th passageway). The Sirians controlled our planet amongst their own internal power struggles until a reptilian lizard faction rebelled and overthrew Ra circa 2000 BC. These reptilians have been in control ever since, and have known ever since that the Orion empire and factions in support of the empire would be returning here to take control over full control of the planet. If the rebels don't have everything neatly packaged by the time the Orions arrive, their achievements would be of little of value and would not curry favor with the future leaders of the planet. Supposedly the Rebel Queen has already fled our planet to make way for the arrival of the Orions.

Draw a direct parallel between ORION and the A RI AN (Aryan = Orion) Arian race that fought the allies in world war 2. The order of Thule and Hitler's campaign to wrestle control of Europe away from the other bloodline families was a power play by factions of the Orion empire who know that the real Orion forces would be arriving in the not too distant future.

The bottom line here is that the group in control of our planet has not had control for very long, only about 4 thousand years. Try as they might their control was severely weakened by Orion power struggles during World War 2 and though it may seem that they have accomplished so much, they could easily find themselves on the wrong side of the Orion Empresses favor. After all - they stole control of this planet from those who had rightful claim. We humans as actual biological descendants of a race that was created from an Earth evolved race, have the right to stake claim of this planet. It is my guess that the Orions know this, and want us to give our ownership rights of the planet away to them instead of claiming it for ourselves. The Sirians could always try to claim possession again, or even fight for it.

In many ways the biblical battle of armies of God vs the armies of Satan are a parallel between the rebel factions who control this planet and the Orion empire that returns to settle the situation.

The distinction between and the battle between Werewolves and Vampires, or Tigers and Dragons, is a direct metaphorical portrayal of the Sirian Wolfen Empire 'RRR' clashing with the Sheti lizards that overthrew the Sirian Ra to take control of this planet.

I loved this where did you get this info.


But I think something much bigger is happening. All the star systems are going to face earth in one shot and all the gods are returning from their sleeps into the physical reincarnation on earth now.

Sirians and Orions at this point are going to come to terms with their history.


Humanity will be given rule over this world. For the parent races will have no choice or destroy the planet Because the truth is if all want it nobody will have it as everyone wants the piece of the pie. It was you who created it. Not many worlds are as evolved or multi faceted like this one.


This world was never designed to be controlled by one race or entity for every race in this galaxy and neighbouring ones have seeded here.


I myself wa a Sirian who has many life times on Sirius, Acturius and Orion mostly. Orion is a war zone lol... Nibru is your parent race. For Nibru was created as your dark twin where many races exist to speed up your evolution on this world. My soul group come from another universe :D. It completed this transition and this young new universe is going through a major leap now.


No matter which way you look at it. Earth just keeps surprising our fathers rom above.:D

[mind1universe]

, none of this is your problem.
Let us not forger that there are OVER FIVE BILLION Minion Incarnations on Earth today and they don't even have a Higher Self.
Be not concerned with the state of things, or the various polarities (which are now filled with Minions), instead be concerned with what your Higher Self requires and how to improve your own life.
I feel that this message is long overdue and I am glad that I got around to posting it.
I hope that you all take heed of my words and shape your life around this truth.
yours thankfully
John


Two corrections.


I have to point out. Everyone on has a higher self. The higher self is the source connected your spirit. The aware conscious of all planes of existence in all dimensions from up to 7. (I think its up to seven) After that its' basically infinity, parallel universe, ending, completion and new multiverses reality and creating a universe to the god you are. Your higher self is always there. We choosed our path as we came here. Our ego and basic self gets in the way and its the path you choosed. If it wasn't then earth wouldn't quite workd the way it has and will. If everyone was aware would the acsension be any point? would life on earth be any worth living? Would challenges even need fixing.


In other words. Everything that happens is meant to happen as it should.



The second correction

There is not 5 billion souls there is nearly 7 billion souls on the planet. Perfect timing to be honest as the return of the gods.:D

[michael christopher]

The elites are 'losing power' in the sense that they are losing their direct control over this planet.

The orion reptilians that have been our 'elites' for the past four thousand years are SHETI rebels that took this planet over from those who had rightful claim to it.

When the Orion empire returns here (And it IS on its way) there is going to be a radical shift in direct control over this planet. As far as the rebel leaders in control of our planet our concerned, they want to have everything as pretty as possible wrapped up in a silver bow to hand over to the Orions when they arrive. Because if they don't, or even if they do, they could have their power ousted from them rather quickly.

According to Robert Morning Sky, this planet and our system were owned by the Orion empire, but control and ownership was given over to the Sirian empire because of the tactical importance of our system. (We are at the entrance to the 9th passageway). The Sirians controlled our planet amongst their own internal power struggles until a reptilian lizard faction rebelled and overthrew Ra circa 2000 BC. These reptilians have been in control ever since, and have known ever since that the Orion empire and factions in support of the empire would be returning here to take control over full control of the planet. If the rebels don't have everything neatly packaged by the time the Orions arrive, their achievements would be of little of value and would not curry favor with the future leaders of the planet. Supposedly the Rebel Queen has already fled our planet to make way for the arrival of the Orions.

Draw a direct parallel between ORION and the A RI AN (Aryan = Orion) Arian race that fought the allies in world war 2. The order of Thule and Hitler's campaign to wrestle control of Europe away from the other bloodline families was a power play by factions of the Orion empire who know that the real Orion forces would be arriving in the not too distant future.

The bottom line here is that the group in control of our planet has not had control for very long, only about 4 thousand years. Try as they might their control was severely weakened by Orion power struggles during World War 2 and though it may seem that they have accomplished so much, they could easily find themselves on the wrong side of the Orion Empresses favor. After all - they stole control of this planet from those who had rightful claim. We humans as actual biological descendants of a race that was created from an Earth evolved race, have the right to stake claim of this planet. It is my guess that the Orions know this, and want us to give our ownership rights of the planet away to them instead of claiming it for ourselves. The Sirians could always try to claim possession again, or even fight for it.

In many ways the biblical battle of armies of God vs the armies of Satan are a parallel between the rebel factions who control this planet and the Orion empire that returns to settle the situation.

The distinction between and the battle between Werewolves and Vampires, or Tigers and Dragons, is a direct metaphorical portrayal of the Sirian Wolfen Empire 'RRR' clashing with the Sheti lizards that overthrew the Sirian Ra to take control of this planet.

You know, this is like eating cheetos instead of real food.

Useless, contrived information that has no factual basis whatsoever except the astral/meditative experiences of people who are inclined to believe in such non-sense. The SHETI lizards? Give me a break.

You only believe this crap because you read it in the Matrix books and then in your meditative experiences you decided to hallucinate it.

I'm not trying to be offensive but what are you expecting people to swallow here? Nothing you say has any evidence or basis in reality whatsoever. Where did you get your information from, if not the Matrix books? Robert Monroe never mentioned the Orions or any of this junk.

[itsallinus]

You know, this is like eating cheetos instead of real food.

Useless, contrived information that has no factual basis whatsoever except the astral/meditative experiences of people who are inclined to believe in such non-sense. The SHETI lizards? Give me a break.

You only believe this crap because you read it in the Matrix books and then in your meditative experiences you decided to hallucinate it.

I'm not trying to be offensive but what are you expecting people to swallow here? Nothing you say has any evidence or basis in reality whatsoever. Where did you get your information from, if not the Matrix books? Robert Monroe never mentioned the Orions or any of this junk.

I find it funny that you would say this yet in another thread you said:

"Everything is just another dream.

Life is a dream, whether it's in this waking reality or in the place where we emanate from.

All of existence is part of a dream."

So what actual proof do you have for saying this then? (not saying I don't agree with this as I do but that's besides the point.)

[michael christopher]

I find it funny that you would say this yet in another thread you said:

"Everything is just another dream.

Life is a dream, whether it's in this waking reality or in the place where we emanate from.

All of existence is part of a dream."

So what actual proof do you have for saying this then? (not saying I don't agree with this as I do but that's besides the point.)

Because to say life is a dream is an abstract idea that can only be quantified via perception. To say that the Orions are invading the planet and are going to take over is based on NOTHING except crap in the Matrix books and the words of supposed insiders who are probably insane and who offer no evidence whatsoever.

And life really is a dream. There's nothing to prove. You either think it is or you don't.

[mind1universe]

I find it funny that you would say this yet in another thread you said:

"Everything is just another dream.

Life is a dream, whether it's in this waking reality or in the place where we emanate from.

All of existence is part of a dream."

So what actual proof do you have for saying this then? (not saying I don't agree with this as I do but that's besides the point.)


:D:D:D

Hes just in a stromp that someone knows something she doesn't' know. I laughed when I seen his rant. Good christ like. You'd swear he was going to condemn the man to hell.


A lot of what Lordema says is correct (just to point out to the guy:)

[itsallinus]

And perception is what we draw conclusions from. That and intuition. Just because you do not perceive what lordzoma has written to hold any truth, as there is no evidence you have perceived, does not make it rubbish, that's just your opinion of something you have no prior knowledge of. Are you all knowing?

IMO, it is better not to judge what others perceive as right or wrong but simply to accept that that is what they perceive. You shouldn't just believe what anyone tells you but follow your own path and simply take note of others information if you want. No need to rubbish their opinion as it does not resonate with you. That only reflects a closed mindset.

[michael christopher]

And perception is what we draw conclusions from. That and intuition. Just because you do not perceive what lordzoma has written to hold any truth, as there is no evidence you have perceived, does not make it rubbish, that's just your opinion of something you have no prior knowledge of. Are you all knowing?

IMO, it is better not to judge what others perceive as right or wrong but simply to accept that that is what they perceive. You shouldn't just believe what anyone tells you but follow your own path and simply take note of others information if you want. No need to rubbish their opinion as it does not resonate with you. That only reflects a closed mindset.

Okay, believe whatever you want, but the fact remains that the only source for this information comes from meditations of people who read the Matrix series of books. It makes people fear something that is in all honestly completely ridiculous, when they should instead be focusing on fixing themselves. It is not about winning a game, that is stupid. It is not about graduating, or minion souls, or Orions, or Sirians, or being better than people who are less advanced than you. The Matrix is just another egotistical religion that creates elaborate mythology out of thin air and which people start defending and proclaiming to be the truth with no basis whatsoever.

Yeah, they can believe whatever they want, but if they are going to post this ridiculous stuff as truth, as they have the right to do, then I certainly have the right to call them out and ask for the evidence that it's true. I know there isn't any, but maybe I'll be surprised. And please, no one start with that "Why are you deciding without knowing the evidence?" crap. I do know the evidence. There is none. If you believe otherwise, then feel free to post said evidence.

[itsallinus]

Okay, believe whatever you want, but the fact remains that the only source for this information comes from meditations of people who read the Matrix series of books. It makes people fear something that is in all honestly completely ridiculous, when they should instead be focusing on fixing themselves. It is not about winning a game, that is stupid. It is not about graduating, or minion souls, or Orions, or Sirians, or being better than people who are less advanced than you. The Matrix is just another egotistical religion that creates elaborate mythology out of thin air and which people start defending and proclaiming to be the truth with no basis whatsoever.


Actually, it's quite the opposite to what you said. It gives you great confidence not fear and clarify's so much when there is so many different info floating about. It also, as mentioned earlier in this thread, does not state anyone being better than anyone else. You have the wrong end of the stick.

[michael christopher]

Actually, it's quite the opposite to what you said. It gives you great confidence not fear and clarify's so much when there is so many different info floating about. It also, as mentioned earlier in this thread, does not state anyone being better than anyone else. You have the wrong end of the stick.

When you say "You have until 2012 to get it right or you have to start over," or "The Orion aliens are coming to take over the planet," you are trying to induce fear. Especially when you have literally no evidence whatsoever aside from "astral experiences." They are very real but they are also highly symbolic and subjective. On purpose. Sorry.

[itsallinus]

When you say "You have until 2012 to get it right or you have to start over," or "The Orion aliens are coming to take over the planet," you are trying to induce fear. Especially when you have literally no evidence whatsoever aside from "astral experiences." They are very real but they are also highly symbolic and subjective. On purpose. Sorry.

I think you'll find the matrix material does not buy into the 2012 stuff. I agree that if you don't understand who you really are then you might find it scary. If you read the books or indeed if you already know that this is just a dream and that we are only experiencing life on earth but that its not who we truly are, understanding that death is not the final curtain, you would not find this scary at all. This information is not for most people and you don't have to read it.

[mind1universe]

Okay, believe whatever you want, but the fact remains that the only source for this information comes from meditations of people who read the Matrix series of books. It makes people fear something that is in all honestly completely ridiculous, when they should instead be focusing on fixing themselves. It is not about winning a game, that is stupid. It is not about graduating, or minion souls, or Orions, or Sirians, or being better than people who are less advanced than you. The Matrix is just another egotistical religion that creates elaborate mythology out of thin air and which people start defending and proclaiming to be the truth with no basis whatsoever.

Yeah, they can believe whatever they want, but if they are going to post this ridiculous stuff as truth, as they have the right to do, then I certainly have the right to call them out and ask for the evidence that it's true. I know there isn't any, but maybe I'll be surprised. And please, no one start with that "Why are you deciding without knowing the evidence?" crap. I do know the evidence. There is none. If you believe otherwise, then feel free to post said evidence.


Take a step outside the matrix and look around all you want to know becomes known.

The trick is your higher self has not shown you at this time.


Proof of what you witness here on this planet is measured by time and distance. You will only know so much in the distance you go and the time you use, for the 3D reality is validated through the matrix so everything you learned has to be affirmed by that.

So if your wishing for people to show you what you cannot see, Your quite fucked really. There is nothing anyone can show you now. You have to do it yourself. That is the mission of you here on earth is testing the physical and tricking your mind into deception. The only person who chosed this was you.


Are you going to notice as you go or keep getting sidetracked looking for proof along the way worrying what Lordzemo said about the Orions.

[michael christopher]

Take a step outside the matrix and look around all you want to know becomes known.

The trick is your higher self has not shown you at this time.


Proof of what you witness here on this planet is measured by time and distance. You will only know so much in the distance you go and the time you use, for the 3D reality is validated through the matrix so everything you learned has to be affirmed by that.

So if your wishing for people to show you what you cannot see.

Your quite fucked really.

Right, well I guess that means I better start believing in the Orions and the end of the world in 2012 then. You make a really good argument.

[mind1universe]

I think you'll find the matrix material does not buy into the 2012 stuff. I agree that if you don't understand who you really are then you might find it scary. If you read the books or indeed if you already know that this is just a dream and that we are only experiencing life on earth but that its not who we truly are, understanding that death is not the final curtain, you would not find this scary at all. This information is not for most people and you don't have to read it.

Exactly you don't need to read some majical book at all. When you buy or need something your stuck in the matrix again.

Going nowhere.

[michael christopher]

Exactly you don't need to read some majical book at all. When you buy or need something your stuck in the matrix again.

Going nowhere.

So are you stuck in the Matrix if you don't believe the Orions are going to invade, or if you think the Matrix book series is crap?

[mind1universe]

Right, well I guess that means I better start believing in the Orions and the end of the world in 2012 then. You make a really good argument.

No you start believing in yourself and stop imagining lifes a dream. Make the dream a reality.


Seriously re read your posts tomorrow.

[mind1universe]

So are you stuck in the Matrix if you don't believe the Orions are going to invade, or if you think the Matrix book series is crap?

Ok. Now someone needs to tell you to stop being silly.

Nobody is going to tell you how to grow up, how to be how to think and your not born with a rule book. So stop acting like you were born yesterday twisting and ridiculing the good advice you have been given.

[michael christopher]

No you start believing in yourself and stop imagining lifes a dream. Make the dream a reality.


Seriously re read your posts tomorrow.

I don't think I've said anything bad so far, I've merely objected to the notion that the Matrix book series should be taken all that seriously. Is that such a horrible thing to say? Perhaps I don't like being talked down to and told I'm stuck in the Matrix by people who have no evidence to support their beliefs.

[itsallinus]

A bit off topic but; astral projection has been the most exciting thing I have ever experienced in my life apart from the birth of my children and my time spent with them. If you haven't tried it yet your missing out big time! Imagine reality and fantasy colliding in a rollercoaster of adventure beyond anything you could ever witness in a sci-fi movie.

[michael christopher]

Ok. Now someone needs to tell you to stop being silly.

Nobody is going to tell you how to grow up, how to be how to think and your not born with a rule book. So stop acting like you were born yesterday twisting and ridiculing the good advice you have been given.

I'm not sure what good advice any Matrix pushers have ever given me, most of it is contrived and useless garbage that is created to distract the human mind from the issues of the spirit.

[michael christopher]

A bit off topic but; astral projection has been the most exciting thing I have ever experienced in my life apart from the birth of my children and my time spent with them. If you haven't tried it yet your missing out big time! Imagine reality and fantasy colliding in a rollercoaster of adventure beyond anything you could ever witness in a sci-fi movie.

Yes, I really wish I could do it. It would be so amazing. I have gotten extremely close many times, but I only try it every few months or so. Once I remember feeling like I was being pulled out of my body. I have also gotten colorful visions through my third eye, although it's usually just a lot of color and light.

I have a list of things to do when I first successfully do it. :p The closest I ever came was a lucid dream involving gray aliens.

[mind1universe]

I'm not sure what good advice any Matrix pushers have ever given me, most of it is contrived and useless garbage that is created to distract the human mind from the issues of the spirit.

You seem to have self issues more than anything else.


Seriously nobody is going to show you how, when, why, where.


Start taking responsiblity to finding the truth and stop acting like everything is bullshit and everything is crap and everything is lies and everything this and that.

Your moaning is getting a little absurd.

[michael christopher]

You seem to have self issues more than anything else.


Seriously nobody is going to show you how, when, why, where.


Start taking responsiblity to finding the truth and stop acting like everything is bullshit and everything is crap and everything is lies and everything this and that.

Your moaning is getting a little absurd.

:rolleyes:

All this because I think the Matrix book series is bullshit.

[mind1universe]

A bit off topic but; astral projection has been the most exciting thing I have ever experienced in my life apart from the birth of my children and my time spent with them. If you haven't tried it yet your missing out big time! Imagine reality and fantasy colliding in a rollercoaster of adventure beyond anything you could ever witness in a sci-fi movie.


I have to say I agree with you HIGH FIVE:D


I atralled with angels and I went to ancient Mars. I'm nooooo kidding.


It's amazing bending time and distance with your mind:D"I can be anywhere"
Ahem I got a bit carried away. But people just need to loosen up you might just get a peak of whats it's like outside the BODY.

[mind1universe]

:rolleyes:

All this because I think the Matrix book series is bullshit.


No read your posts:)

[itsallinus]

Yes, I really wish I could do it. It would be so amazing. I have gotten extremely close many times, but I only try it every few months or so. Once I remember feeling like I was being pulled out of my body. I have also gotten colorful visions through my third eye, although it's usually just a lot of color and light.

I have a list of things to do when I first successfully do it. :p The closest I ever came was a lucid dream involving gray aliens.

Well its good that you have been trying. It can take time and everyone has their own way of succeeding. Don't think you can't do it, keep trying as it is something we can all do, with patience and practice. There is loads of techniques so through a bit of study you can try different methods until you find one that works for you. I wish you good luck (oh and don't be afraid to let go, if you feel something happening don't think about it, let whatever happens happen.)

[itsallinus]

I have to say I agree with you HIGH FIVE:D


I atralled with angels and I went to ancient Mars. I'm nooooo kidding.


It's amazing bending time and distance with your mind:D"I can be anywhere"
Ahem I got a bit carried away. But people just need to loosen up you might just get a peak of whats it's like outside the BODY.

High Five!:D Not been to mars yet. I have flown into the centre of the sun, that was really cool, er I mean.. well yeah, it was cool!!

[michael christopher]

Well its good that you have been trying. It can take time and everyone has their own way of succeeding. Don't think you can't do it, keep trying as it is something we can all do, with patience and practice. There is loads of techniques so through a bit of study you can try different methods until you find one that works for you. I wish you good luck (oh and don't be afraid to let go, if you feel something happening don't think about it, let whatever happens happen.)

This is good advice. A lot of times I get brought down because I start having primitive religious fears kick in, or my heart starts beating really fast and it disrupts me. I know another world awaits me if I can discipline myself enough to guide myself through this initial experience. I have heard the crackling and popping in my ears that signify projection. Once I realized I was looking at a television sitting in a corner of a room, but immediately upon realizing it I got so excited that it woke me up. :(

[itsallinus]

This is good advice. A lot of times I get brought down because I start having primitive religious fears kick in, or my heart starts beating really fast and it disrupts me. I know another world awaits me if I can discipline myself enough to guide myself through this initial experience. I have heard the crackling and popping in my ears that signify projection. Once I realized I was looking at a television sitting in a corner of a room, but immediately upon realizing it I got so excited that it woke me up. :(

Its a bugger that! I used to get excited when I knew it was finally happening, and then it all stopped. Clearing your mind of all thought is so hard. Just remember that it's a natural process, it feels so weird but is actually much the same if not the same as when you fall asleep but because your still conscious and aware it feels really odd. When you 'lock in' and everything becomes more condensed, the darkness surrounds you like you have wider vision, stay there, get comfortable and used to it. Stay there as long as you want then come out and you'll feel like your brain has had a good 'reboot'. It will help you recognise and become more accustomed to the trance state. Try not to go to deep into yourself though, until you have had lots of practice.

Once you are ready then projecting out will work better and you'll have more control over your thoughts (or rather more control over stopping them)

[michael christopher]

Its a bugger that! I used to get excited when I knew it was finally happening, and then it all stopped. Clearing your mind of all thought is so hard. Just remember that it's a natural process, it feels so weird but is actually much the same if not the same as when you fall asleep but because your still conscious and aware it feels really odd. When you 'lock in' and everything becomes more condensed, the darkness surrounds you like you have wider vision, stay there, get comfortable and used to it. Stay there as long as you want then come out and you'll feel like your brain has had a good 'reboot'. It will help you recognise and become more accustomed to the trance state. Try not to go to deep into yourself though, until you have had lots of practice.

Once you are ready then projecting out will work better and you'll have more control over your thoughts (or rather more control over stopping them)

Thanks man! I think I might try tonight.

[itsallinus]

Thanks man! I think I might try tonight.

Cool, good luck! And good night (to you both)

[runciter]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.



In order for the elites to lose their power there has to be enough people to overthrow them.
The Higher Self incarnates are low and mid level, the rest of the people are Minion Incarnates.
The vast majority of people don't care what the elite gets up to.



The Reptilians are Sequential Higher Selfs and their human stooges are Darksider Simultaneous Higher Self beings.



The Sequential Aliens and the Minions are destroying this World, most of the Simultaneous Higher Selfs can't do anything about this situation because they are low and mid advanced.
Very Advanced, Dominants and Finals are more adept to deal with the situation, this is done through knowledge and observation rather than plotting a government overthrow.
Spiritually advanced people are aware of The Game and the Graduation which will bring The Game to an end.
The best thing to do is to read the Matrix V trilogy and learn this for yourself.
I must state in an honest and respectful manner that you are both repetitive and overbearing in the extreme.
yours thankfully
John

if it's done through knowledge and observation, why did you ask me to overthrow the elite?

they're creating a situation where the little change that has to be made will be seen as inevitable.

who would defend the debt-system that is slowly strangling everyone on this planet?

[the moral man]

Dear runciter
kind regards
In response to your comments.

if it's done through knowledge and observation, why did you ask me to overthrow the elite?

Taking your power back is done through knowledge and observation.
I now know the identity of the Spirit within and my true God (Higher Self) and I have been shaking off all of the other gods recently.
I never said that gaining your own independent power was about plotting the overthrow of the government.
Your goal is to gain power over yourself in The Game and not over The Game and its players.

they're creating a situation where the little change that has to be made will be seen as inevitable.

They are doing alot of things, but if you had power over yourself you wouldn't want to change The Game (the material World and the deception within it) because you would trust in your Higher Self to make sure that everything will go according to plan.

who would defend the debt-system that is slowly strangling everyone on this planet?

Very true, I have just left uni with a debt of nearly ten grand and I am restless in my pursuit to save money and to get money to pay it off.
Such a reality is purpously created, but again I have to understand that my Higher Self allowed me to experience this current problem for a reason.
Crying about the situation isn't going to do me any good, action is the only thing that is going to be constructive here.
We are living in the credit crisis at present, I have learnt more in this period than previously, so I am once again have to give credit to my Higher Self for this process.
Yes we do indeed have a debt system, but your way of dealing with this is to blame the government for everything.
Let me be perfectly frank with you once and for all.
The majority of the people that are walking the streets are no better than the government.
The average member of Joe public is an unevolved, greedy, deceptive bumpkin and they quite happily go along with the governments corrupt schemes because they are corrupt people themselves.
The system is deliberately created for idiot and inwardly rotten people and no amount of girlish screaming on your part is going to change that.
Those "poor people" that you feel sorry for are part and parcel of The Game and will keep it going because we are living in a polarity maze that is set in stone.
So what should we do in regards to The Game then?
The only thing we should do is to very gradually withdraw from it and thats what I am currently doing.
I have been continously breaking loops that I used to have.
As an example, I am trying to balanced, no more imbalanced giving to Darksiders as a result of believing in the external deity known as Jesus Christ.
I have no more prejudices against the Gay lifestyle or against various racial groups.
I also don't bow down to Secular gods (celebrities) anymore and don't put donation money on their altars (shops where their useless products are sold).
With these three loops broken I am now in firm control of myself, controlling other people is not my business.
However, you can be sure that there are Lightsiders religionists, Darksiders, Racists, homophobes, idol worshippers etc as they are simply expressing as aspect of The Game's polarity that must be here.
Now that I have broken these loops, The Game will succeed in finding a replacement person (or people) to take over all of these loops because the polaric aspect with The Game demands that this should be the case.
Victory is not ending The Game, it is simply ending your participation in it.
You can get fed up of the school playground and stick your two fingers up and leave, but the school playground will still proceed forward.
You won because you pulled yourself out of it and can now move onto better things.
If you don't get this after my detailed explanation then I am going to assume that you are a wind up merchant and stop replying to you.
yours thankfully
John

[runciter]

The majority of the people that are walking the streets are no better than the government.

are they usurers? are they greedy bloodthirsty mass murderers?

their greatest "fault" is that they tend to trust others, but would you blame them for that?

you're directing your energies against the victims, and protecting the perpetrators.

[tracker]

agrees with the thread creator .

we are here to experience .

Why Are We Here? - YouTube

[runciter]

agrees with the thread creator .

we are here to experience .

i don't disagree with that concept, i have a problem with the minion thing.