Satan is real no proof needed!

[holyspirit]

What I know about Lucifer



The Devil embodies pettiness in the ultimate form

The Old Dragon has no empathy

The old liar is an instigator, conspirator and a traitor

The prince of darkness approaches from the rear

Lucifer is a coward

The Devil desires all who follow him to fear him and betrays all except himself

The Devil’s ultimate fear is to be alone

The Devil will pay a penny for your soul but offers everything for its sale

The Devil’s company is empty and quite boring

His followers often feel far away from self-joy

The Devil is envious, selfish, and profane

The Devil preys on your emotions and spoons out your heart

The Devil’s power is waning

The Devil drags his feet and winks his eye

The Devil can never sit still and analyzes you always

The Devil never gives a complement

The Devil pushes people into suicide through aided setups

The Devil toys with your heart and thrives on its break

The Devil is the ultimate retard for his mind never grows and returns to old tricks

The Devil shares as much feeling as a robot gone haywire when killing

Lucifer cheats, is ignoble and has no honor

The Devil shows no quarter and no mercy

The Devil hates the hero




On a Tiny Trail (The Devil)



Everything within Lucifer’s grasp begins on a tiny trail likened to the path of a mighty army ant. Likewise the engineer or the ant who strives for anything; the end result is questionable. For, the path is paved with the sticky steps of one who was there, that being God. Furthermore, the diamond pinnacle which Satan seeks, suggests a desire for the essence of promotion and its mystery ^^*^^; as a tool utilized for self worship. Yet the position which is established and ordained follows the ambiguity of the holder. Additionally, Satan’s witless endeavor for worship must be from inept logic; as compared to the worker who proceeds with deception for gain. Thus, Satan’s mental absurdity and his folly towards the pursuit of an unattainable level or power status can be viewed as an oxymoron. Moreover, trying to acquire the essence of power and praise like God is bizarre; because, he was derived from God. Paradoxically it’s like the clay directing the potter to smooth out an edge! And so even the ant follows the sticky path, so as not to become lost or burned. It would seem fundamentality anyway, that a mere ant has greater faculties than Satan, because it stays the course. Finally, self promotion against proper authority is likened to ignorance or stupidity; and though the self proclaimed mighty ant (i.e. Satan) crawls along the trail into a fire pit will find the weight equal to its mind, this path of eternal chaos occurs when the sticky path is abandoned.

[michael christopher]

Wow, I'm convinced!!!!!!!!!

The devil is inside of all of us, and that's the only place the devil exists.

[stfd]

Wow, I'm convinced!!!!!!!!!

The devil is inside of all of us, and that's the only place the devil exists.

AND in your visions , yes?

[michael christopher]

AND in your visions , yes?

I really only get a good visual on the devil when I'm reading through the Bible. You can really feel his energy behind the words. :)

Like these ones:

Deuteronomy 28:16: "But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth."

I get a real Satanic vibe from most of the Bible.

[stfd]

I really only get a good visual on the devil when I'm reading through the Bible. You can really feel his energy behind the words. :)

Like these ones:



I get a real Satanic vibe from most of the Bible.



you a cathar or what?

[michael christopher]

you a cathar or what?

I probably was in a past life, before I got burnt at the stake by Christians. :)

Or something like that. Also, go ahead and explain the passage please, how can you not find it to be Satanic and evil?

[miracles]

Wow, I'm convinced!!!!!!!!!

The devil is inside of all of us, and that's the only place the devil exists.



I get a good visual on the devil when I'm reading through the Bible. You can really feel his energy behind the words.






I get a real Satanic vibe from most of the Bible.




Speak for yourself, its his energy you are feeling when you read the word of God. Spoooky buddy, your in deep shit.

[size_of_light]

All negativity arises out of ignorance and evil is it's extreme manifestation.

[michael christopher]

Speak for yourself, its his energy you are feeling when you read the word of God. Spoooky buddy, your in deep shit.

We'll see, miracles. We'll see. Notice you can never actually make any sort of intelligent response when I post up parts of the Bible where God commands the murder of babies, you always just use fear to try to get me to back off. Well buddy, I'm not afraid of your hell because it doesn't exist in my reality. So you're gonna have to do a little better than that to shut me up (a lot better actually, as you actually can't make me shut up despite what you do).

[eternal_spirit]

Satan was a male priest living on the land we call Ancient Egypt but The Establishment (Satan's 10,000 year old extended bloodline family/children) now call this land ATLANTIS. This land sunk under the sea around 3600 years ago and Ancient Egypt's remnants of its first attempt at a New World Order (One World Rule Of Law by The Establishment) are found scattered around the globe as in the Nile Peninsular, Ancient Sumeria, Ancient Phoenicia, Ancient Persia, Ancient Babylon, Ancient Mesopotamia, Ancient Middle East/Israel/Hebrews, Ancient China, Ancient Minoa/Greece (now under the Mediterranean Sea), Ancient Rome, Ancient Brittany/Celts, Ancient Mayan/Inca/Aztec, Ancient Ethiopia, Ancient Mu (now under the Pacific Ocean), Ancient Sanskrit civilisations (now under the oceans and seas around India and in the Persian Gulf amongst many others. All were civilisations crafted in the image of the civilisation of Ancient Egypt (Satan).

Arthur Cristian


Menorah Chosen as the B'nai B'rith Symbol because it Stood for 'Light" (also, the symbol of Lucifer or Satan, because Lucens stands for "Light" and Ferens for "Fallen"-e.g., Satan, "The Fallen Light" or "He Who Fell from Heaven Via His Rebellion Against God" which are Masonic Concepts.

Were there no Jews in the world before the coming of Jacob's sons to Egypt?
Answer — There have always been the same elements among all populations of the earth that we identify today as Judaists. The very ancient Egyptian and Sumerian chronicles refer to them as the People of Set, or "Spirit of Disorder in Governments." No matter what conditions they found politically or socially in the lands wherein they were received, they always wanted them changed, to conform to their own eccentric notions. The Egyptians seem to have referred to them as the "Set-un" Set being the god of Darkness and Destruction, and ''un'' being the suffix meaning "people." We derive our modern word Satan from this source. When Joseph escaped from his brethren, and went down into Egypt to work himself into the good graces of Pharaoh, and his brothers later followed him and "multiplied," this racial element was designated strictly among Pharaoh's subjects as the Tribe of the Habiru. From the term "Habiru" the term "Hebrew" comes down to us. But Jews as we know them today were not so called till after the "conquering" or "overrunning" of Canaan and its capital city of Jerusalem, and the allotting of the land whereon it stood to the Tribe of Judah. The word Jew is a sort of slang contraction of Judaist or member of the specific Tribe of Judah, only we spell it J-e-w instead of the terser J-u.

William.Dudley.Pelley


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=884 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1170423&postcount=884)

[size_of_light]

I think this is a great representation of the true nature of 'Satan' or 'Mara' or whatever label you give to the supreme embodiment of evil:

Skip to about the 2:50 mark onwards if you haven't got the time, and try to filter out the annoying presence of the children that are part of the modern day framing device that gives this film it's narrative.

Also, apologies in advance for Keanu Reeves :D, but he actually doesn't do a bad job of portraying the Buddha in this movie, apart from the odd Bill and Ted-ism creeping in every now and then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xV8xgWlZy0&feature=related

The look on Mara's face at the end is priceless and says it all. ;)

[fallensoul]

You forgot the part where he rebels against any authority there is :) And some of those are just silly, he never sits still? :D

[clachan]

I really only get a good visual on the devil when I'm reading through the Bible. You can really feel his energy behind the words. :)

Like these ones:



I get a real Satanic vibe from most of the Bible.

As it happens,and Im 100% telling the truth I SWEAR TO GOD,when i read many of your posts i get a very nasty vib.

[marpat]

Speak for yourself, its his energy you are feeling when you read the word of God. Spoooky buddy, your in deep shit.

How can the bible be the word of god when people have altered it over 40 times? does god change his mind a lot?

[michael christopher]

How can the bible be the word of god when people have altered it over 40 times? does god change his mind a lot?

THAT NEVER HAPPENED MARPAT :mad::mad: YOU CHILD OF SATAN SPREADING YOUR LIES :mad::mad:

[marpat]

THAT NEVER HAPPENED MARPAT :mad::mad: YOU CHILD OF SATAN SPREADING YOUR LIES :mad::mad:

lol, are you serious?

[michael christopher]

lol, are you serious?

Um, no. :) I'm just doing an impression.

[kasalt]

Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx5EKaY1B8g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx5EKaY1B8g

[miracles]

Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx5EKaY1B8g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx5EKaY1B8g

Yes he is. Part 2

[kasalt]

Yes he is. Part 2

Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0pgcHkrP0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0pgcHkrP0

[miracles]

Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0pgcHkrP0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0pgcHkrP0

Umm yes he is, part 3

[kasalt]

Umm yes he is, part 3

Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyHCxl-5a0A)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyHCxl-5a0A

[miracles]

Is too: part 4

[kasalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQoYiDWDu-0

[miracles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaYZzaVE0Vk&feature=related

[octopusrex]

What I know about Lucifer



The Devil embodies pettiness in the ultimate form

The Old Dragon has no empathy

The old liar is an instigator, conspirator and a traitor

The prince of darkness approaches from the rear

Lucifer is a coward

The Devil desires all who follow him to fear him and betrays all except himself

The Devil’s ultimate fear is to be alone

The Devil will pay a penny for your soul but offers everything for its sale

The Devil’s company is empty and quite boring

His followers often feel far away from self-joy

The Devil is envious, selfish, and profane

The Devil preys on your emotions and spoons out your heart

The Devil’s power is waning

The Devil drags his feet and winks his eye

The Devil can never sit still and analyzes you always

The Devil never gives a complement

The Devil pushes people into suicide through aided setups

The Devil toys with your heart and thrives on its break

The Devil is the ultimate retard for his mind never grows and returns to old tricks

The Devil shares as much feeling as a robot gone haywire when killing

Lucifer cheats, is ignoble and has no honor

The Devil shows no quarter and no mercy

The Devil hates the hero




On a Tiny Trail (The Devil)



Everything within Lucifer’s grasp begins on a tiny trail likened to the path of a mighty army ant. Likewise the engineer or the ant who strives for anything; the end result is questionable. For, the path is paved with the sticky steps of one who was there, that being God. Furthermore, the diamond pinnacle which Satan seeks, suggests a desire for the essence of promotion and its mystery ^^*^^; as a tool utilized for self worship. Yet the position which is established and ordained follows the ambiguity of the holder. Additionally, Satan’s witless endeavor for worship must be from inept logic; as compared to the worker who proceeds with deception for gain. Thus, Satan’s mental absurdity and his folly towards the pursuit of an unattainable level or power status can be viewed as an oxymoron. Moreover, trying to acquire the essence of power and praise like God is bizarre; because, he was derived from God. Paradoxically it’s like the clay directing the potter to smooth out an edge! And so even the ant follows the sticky path, so as not to become lost or burned. It would seem fundamentality anyway, that a mere ant has greater faculties than Satan, because it stays the course. Finally, self promotion against proper authority is likened to ignorance or stupidity; and though the self proclaimed mighty ant (i.e. Satan) crawls along the trail into a fire pit will find the weight equal to its mind, this path of eternal chaos occurs when the sticky path is abandoned.

Where did you meet him?

[fallensoul]

Where did you meet him?

I would also like to know

[edelweiss pirate]

What I know about Lucifer



The Devil embodies pettiness in the ultimate form

The Old Dragon has no empathy

The old liar is an instigator, conspirator and a traitor

The prince of darkness approaches from the rear

Lucifer is a coward

The Devil desires all who follow him to fear him and betrays all except himself

The Devil’s ultimate fear is to be alone

The Devil will pay a penny for your soul but offers everything for its sale

The Devil’s company is empty and quite boring

His followers often feel far away from self-joy

The Devil is envious, selfish, and profane

The Devil preys on your emotions and spoons out your heart

The Devil’s power is waning

The Devil drags his feet and winks his eye

The Devil can never sit still and analyzes you always

The Devil never gives a complement

The Devil pushes people into suicide through aided setups

The Devil toys with your heart and thrives on its break

The Devil is the ultimate retard for his mind never grows and returns to old tricks

The Devil shares as much feeling as a robot gone haywire when killing

Lucifer cheats, is ignoble and has no honor

The Devil shows no quarter and no mercy

The Devil hates the hero




On a Tiny Trail (The Devil)


Good post. There is definately an evil force out there which fits this description..... There is so much evidence of demon possession available to us that hard as it is to accept it seems to be the only alternative....

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist." Charles Baudelaire

[fallensoul]

Good post. There is definately an evil force out there which fits this description..... There is so much evidence of demon possession available to us that hard as it is to accept it seems to be the only alternative....

Yes you are right, there is an evil force out there, it is called Humanity, well not the whole thing but a really great part of it. The catalysts for this evil are as follows, GREED (money, material wealth, power), AVARICE, ENVY, GLUTTONY (food that could feed the starving goes to those who already have enough), WRATH (people who act their anger and harm others)

Now Pride is not that bad unless it is foolish pride, but pride is good as in having pride in your work, pride in your achievements, being proud of your fellow men etc.

Sloth hardly ever killed anyone... (1. Aversion to work or exertion; laziness; indolence.) This is just to make the sheeple good slaves, kind of propaganda.

Lust is perfectly fine human emotion the sexual energy, tho your Lord doesn't want you to lust for women, yet he made them so beautiful, damn he is a SADIST!

Why do you always have to seek something external for all the evil in the world, so you can justify the impotence of your god. Man commits evil because of the things I listed above. Man is not equal to Jesus and the reason is not some devil possession or Satans deception, but we are ALL born with these emotions that lead into evil deeds when they take us over. Wrath is perfectly natural for example and VITAL, one needs to get angry when for example someone tries to hurt their children so that they can defend from the attacker, without Wrath one would be helpless to be dominated, much like Christians of today, BE QUIET ON THE BENCH AND FOLLOW, HEAR THE PRIEST.

It is humans who are the source of evil, Satan might be there and tempting them into doing it, but even without his influence people would have EMOTIONS hence they could commit evil under them. If you say Satan is to blame for all evil then you in a sense say that Satan is responsible for peoples emotions and without Satan humans would feel no emotions except love, well even if humans didnt fight themselves and never got Wrathful etc they would soon be overran by predators in the nature who would exploit this weakness of submitting to death without getting angry and fight back for their lifes. Even your God gets angry in the bible, and he made humans in his image, so he created the emotions, hence humans can commit evil under them, no need for Satan.

It is always easier to blame the other, when it is you yourself.

Only children blame the other and never admit their own wrongdoings, Children of God, fits you nicely all you believers out there hahahaha

Also the famous quote "fear of lord leads to wisdom" or something along the lines is a great lie. It only leads to persecution and intolerance of others. You ever heard of crusades? The very "wisdom" you preach is one of the biggest catalysts of all evil. You want to get rid of non believers or convert them because you fear them that they might ruin the world with their impurity! I say "The fear of the lord is the seed of hate and non tolerance"

[edelweiss pirate]

Yes you are right, there is an evil force out there, it is called Humanity, well not the whole thing but a really great part of it. The catalysts for this evil are as follows, GREED (money, material wealth, power), AVARICE, ENVY, GLUTTONY (food that could feed the starving goes to those who already have enough), WRATH (people who act their anger and harm others)

Now Pride is not that bad unless it is foolish pride, but pride is good as in having pride in your work, pride in your achievements, being proud of your fellow men etc.

Sloth hardly ever killed anyone... (1. Aversion to work or exertion; laziness; indolence.) This is just to make the sheeple good slaves, kind of propaganda.

Lust is perfectly fine human emotion the sexual energy, tho your Lord doesn't want you to lust for women, yet he made them so beautiful, damn he is a SADIST!

Why do you always have to seek something external for all the evil in the world, so you can justify the impotence of your god. Man commits evil because of the things I listed above. Man is not equal to Jesus and the reason is not some devil possession or Satans deception, but we are ALL born with these emotions that lead into evil deeds when they take us over. Wrath is perfectly natural for example and VITAL, one needs to get angry when for example someone tries to hurt their children so that they can defend from the attacker, without Wrath one would be helpless to be dominated, much like Christians of today, BE QUIET ON THE BENCH AND FOLLOW, HEAR THE PRIEST.

It is humans who are the source of evil, Satan might be there and tempting them into doing it, but even without his influence people would have EMOTIONS hence they could commit evil under them. If you say Satan is to blame for all evil then you in a sense say that Satan is responsible for peoples emotions and without Satan humans would feel no emotions except love, well even if humans didnt fight themselves and never got Wrathful etc they would soon be overran by predators in the nature who would exploit this weakness of submitting to death without getting angry and fight back for their lifes. Even your God gets angry in the bible, and he made humans in his image, so he created the emotions, hence humans can commit evil under them, no need for Satan.

It is always easier to blame the other, when it is you yourself.

Only children blame the other and never admit their own wrongdoings, Children of God, fits you nicely all you believers out there hahahaha

People I have met have told me they have been possessed by satan.

Why would they lie. There are also many reports of satanic possession with 'satan' himself speaking under hypnosis and channeling.

I follow the evidence buddy. Not dogma..... Your hatred of Christianity has obscured your views of the basic human experimental truths it contains.

Why does everything have to end in 'ism' or 'anity' for you?

It doesn't for me buddy. You will never grow as long as your learning is led by what you hate rather than what you love.

Get over your obssession with Christianity, it's kind of boring and driving you round in circles..

[fallensoul]

Wow you completely ignored the fact that even without Satan people wouldnt stop feeling since ANGER is from god, god GETS ANGRY FFS, he created you in your IMAGE, HENCE YOU CAN ALSO GET ANGRY! I dont care about your devil possession and proof, it doesn't explain all the evil in the world, read it all again try to understand instead of having the mindset "OK THIS GUY IS BASHING ME I NEED TO DEFEND, ALL HIS WORDS ARE NONSENSE ANYWAY"

I SAY IT AGAIN AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE, EVEN WITHOUT DEVIL OR DEMON POSSESSION EVIL WOULD NOT CEASE TO EXIST, IT IS FROM YOUR GOD IT IS IN YOU ALSO BECAUSE YOU WERE CREATED IN HIS IMAGE.

Devils and possession could be true? Who cares, it is not the problem, it is part of it.

Get your head out of your ass, your reply is an insult to any intelligent being. I am not obsessed over Christianity, I have studied MANY other religions, and everything I can find, right now I choose to debate this subject, what do you care, are you afraid that I might influence someone to reconsider their faith? Are you AFRAID??

You did not refute anything I said, all you did was repeat what you YOURSELF said earlier, that is not called debate, it is called preaching. Now im done..

[holyspirit]

Where did you meet him?

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af196/HolySpirit3/Satan.jpg?t=1250861341

[fallensoul]

I follow the evidence buddy. Not dogma..... Your hatred of Christianity has obscured your views of the basic human experimental truths it contains. I cannot even begin to understand how you could say this in your position, and the general ignorance of this statement. I do know your faith very well, and Christianity is not the only thing I hate.

I hate, money, authorities, governments, corrupt legal system, everything corrupt, IGNORANCE, BLIND BELIEF, and many other things.

I love, freedom, truth, peace, Justice among many things.

Mind you I do not believe in anything, I have no set belief system, I can determine from everything I have studied that there is no way of knowing any absolute truth. I will follow my heart and the voice of reason, not some ancient religion for laughing out loud, how are we to evolve if we all convert into one religion that is fucking thousands of years old.. we will be forever stuck in deep shit. I have no dogma, for you to say I follow a dogma.. that is the greatest insult you could use against me. I BELIEVE IN MYSELF, ONLY

[edelweiss pirate]

All I ever hear back to my well constructed arguments is silence and ad hominems and strawmans. If your faith has made you like that I wonder what is the value of it...

What are you talking about?

What faith?

It was Pagans I spoke to who told me they had satan inside them....

So what now fallensoul?

What's with the name anyways? Tell us about your faith? You clearly have a rigidly defined dogma of negating God...

Can't be a very happy place!


Devils and possession could be true? Who cares, it is not the problem, it is part of it.


Who cares? I thought we were discussing it? So you don't care? Ok, don't post then! Noone's forcing you to comment.


BTW. Why are you insulting me and 'SHOUTING'. Calm down please! I'm not being mean but you come across like a bit of a nutter, I'd rather discuss things with sensible informed people, not mad ranters.

[fallensoul]

Geez are you Christian or not, why did you bring up the pagans told you it? What does it matter who told you it... Apparently we were discussing different things, I was discussing the source of evil, not the possessions themselves.. Damn I guess sleeping 4 hours a night is starting to take its toll on me.


fallensoul, it means I am fallen in the eyes of many, but I will rise up by my own will :P I believe there could be a greater consciousness, like the sum of everything that is, that you could call god or creation, since the universe is moving on its own, towards something new.

Still I never heard you reply to anything I said really :/

now if you are going to answer anything I say, answer me this, do you think satan/devil can be blamed for all the evil in the world, and if so then try refute my argument, that god created evil since he can get angry too, and you are made in his image, so you can feel anger and act upon it also. So evil could exist regardless of Satan.

Maybe I am wasting my time..

Can't be a very happy place!

You are right, most of the time I am not happy because the world is what it is..

I love, freedom, truth, peace, Justice among many things. <- These values have been lost in this world...

But I don't really care, things will change one way or another for the better.. and I hate Christianity Precisely for the fact that it limits these values..

[michael christopher]

I cannot even begin to understand how you could say this in your position, and the general ignorance of this statement. I do know your faith very well, and Christianity is not the only thing I hate.

I hate, money, authorities, governments, corrupt legal system, everything corrupt, IGNORANCE, BLIND BELIEF, and many other things.

I love, freedom, truth, peace, Justice among many things.

Mind you I do not believe in anything, I have no set belief system, I can determine from everything I have studied that there is no way of knowing any absolute truth. I will follow my heart and the voice of reason, not some ancient religion for laughing out loud, how are we to evolve if we all convert into one religion that is fucking thousands of years old.. we will be forever stuck in deep shit. I have no dogma, for you to say I follow a dogma.. that is the greatest insult you could use against me. I BELIEVE IN MYSELF, ONLY

*clap clap*

[clachan]

*clap clap*

I thought so !

[stfd]

Thing is i ummm actually saw , like saw with my own eyes, one such thing.
I think i mentioned it once on this forum.
I actually saw a human being literally 'inhabited' by (and pls no flaming, be respectfull lol) the devil.

And i mean, i know we dont know eachother and that this is a forum and all ... but IF we are to be OPEN to possibilities then here it is.

So yea, i say this , i was about gr7 i think; went on a trip with the class.
Ended up at a Monastery and the story begins there.

I just dont wanna start a flaming sesion in here so if anyone wants to read this let me know.

[size_of_light]

I just dont wanna start a flaming sesion in here so if anyone wants to read this let me know.

Can't be any more tedious than what we're already talking about.

Go for it...

[bealert]

i Have read the devils Bible and to be honest it makes more sense than the holy bible.
if you assume al our emotions were given to us by god why should we not be allowed to use them. Pride ..lust.. vanity..anger..are just some of the emotions we are told not to have...god is the one that torments us he as given us emotions and told us it is wrong to use them...this is the true devil

[fallensoul]

i Have read the devils Bible and to be honest it makes more sense than the holy bible.
if you assume al our emotions were given to us by god why should we not be allowed to use them. Pride ..lust.. vanity..anger..are just some of the emotions we are told not to have...god is the one that torments us he as given us emotions and told us it is wrong to use them...this is the true devil

I read it too, and I have said this same thing in other threads. Make it real easy for the dumbest people reading.

God made women into beautiful creatures, yet says Lust is bad. This is torture.

[stfd]

Thing is i ummm actually saw , like saw with my own eyes, one such thing.
I think i mentioned it once on this forum.
I actually saw a human being literally 'inhabited' by (and pls no flaming, be respectfull lol) the devil.

And i mean, i know we dont know eachother and that this is a forum and all ... but IF we are to be OPEN to possibilities then here it is.

So yea, i say this , i was about gr7 i think; went on a trip with the class.
Ended up at a Monastery and the story begins there.

I just dont wanna start a flaming sesion in here so if anyone wants to read this let me know.

So to continue...

We were all a abunch of kids taken there by whatever teachers with the scope of actually visiting various historic locations which included this Monastery.
The Monastery itself is few hundred years old and represented a point of interest even if only from a historical perspective.

Got there somewhat late evening and since an eventual staying at the lodging provided by the monks was free, the teachers decided we will stay there over night and leave next day. It was a friday btw.

Few hours passed and we heard from people talking etc that a bunch of people were gonna show up bringing one of their relative over as she was posessed.

And damn such curiosity!

We were explicitelly told quite a few times and quite agresivelly , that we are NOT to get close to the one section of the Monastery 'complex' where the process of taking out the 'thing' was done.

So anyway that didnt work and a handfull of the craziest kids(including myself) decided to actually break the request (go figure) and freakin go sneak by them people in dark robes and take a position of observation.

So we did that, and sneaked in this room , id say 10mx10m approximatelly , the light was quite dim as i remeber only a light bulb in teh center.
There was one quite old monk/priest fellow , long white hair and beard.
People were saying he was 83. It was him who was 'the man' to do the job it appeared.
There were also 6-7 much younger monk guys positioned as such so that the relatives and the 'victim are separated phisically.
The victim was a 17 year old girl, 'sat on a bed-like thing in one of the corners of the room still , still and pale as i can remeber anyone ever.

Then it began, the old fella was reading special prayers for situations like this, it must have been St Basil stuff...
He was burning incense like crazy, and yet i or the other 30 people in the room werent chocking or aything.
He approached the bed thing and then 'hell broke loose'
It sounded as if different 'things' were speaking at the same time, and so loud i remeber i has to place fingers in my ears. AND it wasnt the voice of a 17 year old girl but more like a bark , a cascade of barks.
Some words i could not make a sense of even tho they seemed clear, other were clear.
She ,or more like the thing inside of her, cursed at the old fellow yet he stood still not even lifting his eyes from the book. The the thing approached him making a leap from the bed right in front of him.
The young dudes the tried to get 'her' back to the corner but as without ANY effort she THREW them on the left and right of her.
Then sat herself on the bed willingly.

I tell you , those are just images ive put together , there are few other.
Thing is then i didnt exactly know what was seeing .. but hell ... was there, just a bit of it.

And i ... believe. I actually SAW with those two eyes, and even though it quite a bit of years ago i still have those imageas living in my head - and some do those who were actually curios and sneaked along with me ...

[bealert]

I read it too, and I have said this same thing in other threads. Make it real easy for the dumbest people reading.

God made women into beautiful creatures, yet says Lust is bad. This is torture.
if what the bible tells us is true then god must have one sick sense of humour.

[fallensoul]

if what the bible tells us is true then god must have one sick sense of humour.

Yeah I always seen the Christian god as some kind of Trickster since his "agenda" is apparently impossible to know and even many details leave the disciples confused. And he contradicts himself, and is a hypocrite etc.

[miracles]

Yeah I always seen the Christian god as some kind of Trickster since his "agenda" is apparently impossible to know and even many details leave the disciples confused. And he contradicts himself, and is a hypocrite etc.

Well your in the right place then huh?

[fallensoul]

Well your in the right place then huh?

Elaborate?

[armoured_amazon]

Speak for yourself, its his energy you are feeling when you read the word of God. Spoooky buddy, your in deep shit.

Yeah, that kinda speaks for itself... :(

[miracles]

Elaborate?

Because everyone else in here bar a few, think the same way. So your one big happy clappy family. And the funny thing is because I am not the embodiment of piouty and bite back at the bullshit that gets flung at me, you think that makes it okay to insult the faith. Well Im very proud of Stfd, he is doing a great job at not reacting (shame on me, Im letting the side down), so now you have no excuses, and you still believe the same things. Your out of options for your unbelief now.

[fallensoul]

Because everyone else in here bar a few, think the same way. So your one big happy clappy family. And the funny thing is because I am not the embodiment of pioty and bite back at the bullshit that gets flung at me, you think that makes it okay to insult thefaith. Well Im very proud of Stfd, he is doing a great job at not reacting, so now you have no excuses, and you still belive the same things. Your out of options for your unbelief now.

I assume you read the post where I said that Stfd is something I think Christianity is supposed to teach. Doesn't make my "unbelief" less justified, proves the point I made about there being good in your faith.

But also the negative side effects that religion causes, IE. non tolerance, hatred towards different faiths etc. still remain, one person doesn't change that.

[miracles]

Yeah, that kinda speaks for itself... :(

Sure does, very telling indeed.

[miracles]

I assume you read the post where I said that Stfd is something I think Christianity is supposed to teach. Doesn't make my "unbelief" less justified, proves the point I made about there being good in your faith.

But also the negative side effects that religion causes, IE. non tolerance, hatred towards different faiths etc. still remain, one person doesn't change that.

Well it proves one thing, if Jesus Christ himself came down and said, oi mr Im real, youd still say, nah prove it, I dont believe it.

I have no hatred towards other beliefs, do you see me giving the Muslims lip every minute of the day, or buhddists? No!. Im simply defending my faith when people who are BLATANLTLY intolerant of my faith. Not only that they plagurise it and think they can use it against me. Your a bunch of jokesters and twisters of the truth. Nothing less, little wind up merchants getting your kicks.

[fallensoul]

Well it proves one thing, if Jesus Christ himself came down and said, oi mr Im real, youd still say, nah prove it, I dont believe it.

I have no hatred towards other beliefs, do you see me giving the Muslims lip every minute of the day, or buhddists? No!. Im simply defending my faith when people who are BLATANLTLY intolerant of my faith. Not only that they plagurise it and think they can use it against me. Your a bunch of jokesters and twisters of the truth. Nothing less, little wind up merchants getting your kicks.

I agree that it is hypocritical to come bash your faith and blame you for the same thing. No excuse there. Yet if you wish to debate someones faith and beliefs you can not always label it as intolerance of your faith, more like trying to understand it and understand your understanding of it :P But in debate it is proven that it is effective to try and get emotional response because it always speaks more than words alone :) And if Jesus did come and showed me few of his party tricks I would seriously reconsider, but I could still not know if he was who he claims he was, he could be space alien trying to hoodwink me! :D

[miracles]

I agree that it is hypocritical to come bash your faith and blame you for the same thing. No excuse there. Yet if you wish to debate someones faith and beliefs you can not always label it as intolerance of your faith, more like trying to understand it and understand your understanding of it :P But in debate it is proven that it is effective to try and get emotional response because it always speaks more than words alone :) And if Jesus did come and showed me few of his party tricks I would seriously reconsider, but I could still not know if he was who he claims he was, he could be space alien trying to hoodwink me! :D

Well if you think I dont know you fools arent all about trying to get emotional responses and you think your winning by doing that, your wrong, I know all the tricks, but Im quite happy to get into the ring and tare strips out of your sorry asses too. :D Most of you expect us all to be pious little pussies and get our feelings hurt, not me, Ill tare you an new asshole to go with the one in the middle of your face.

God Bless you. :)

[fallensoul]

:)

[emerald]

Miracles, what stupid avatar u chose!!! Damm it fits u! Snake stands for wisdom and intelligence but u're treading on them. It shows, honey, it shows! St. fucking George would have done better, Im telling u!:D

[edelweiss pirate]

Miracles, what stupid avatar u chose!!! Damm it fits u! Snake stands for wisdom and intelligence but u're treading on them. It shows, honey, it shows! St. fucking George would have done better, Im telling u!:D

Your Sig is worse. Typical sentiments of a mad devil worshipper.

[fallensoul]

Loving your enemies when they murder everyone you know and destroy everything you have, I hope it works for you.

[edelweiss pirate]

Loving your enemies when they murder everyone you know and destroy everything you have, I hope it works for you.

If you hate them then you become just like them. Occupied by darkness.

When you die you ascend to the level which corresponds to your thoughts and feelings when you were alive.

That's why, in this world 'loving your enemies' may seem like nonsense, but in the next world it makes perfect sense.

I've been researching NDE and spirit release therapy a lot lately. These seems to be the common conclusions.

[fallensoul]

Maybe you can keep your holier than thou bs attitude after you die, without any real confirmation btw, so you need belief and faith. But the generation after you will suffer because you never fought back.

The sins of the fathers passed down onto the sons. It works both ways. Evil pass the evil to them, good people pass their weakness to theirs.

It is exactly what the elite want, "SUBMIT, OR DIE!" -> "you will be rewarded in this life if you do as we say, if you die you will be rewarded in the afterlife"

Either way you will do as they say, dead or alive.

Where is the freedom in this? Fuck that I will fight back with all I got if need to, if I don't get to heaven for defending my inalienable rights that every newborn has then I don't wanna go to a sorry ass place full of misguided martyrs who would rather live on their knees than die with honor.

I CHOOSE DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR, even if it means second death included.

[ps. I read alot about NDE's and stuff, and I never got any general idea of being absolute goodness is way to get rewarded or anything, maybe your predisposition lead you to this belief]

[octopusrex]

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af196/HolySpirit3/Satan.jpg?t=1250861341

Can't make out the picture.

[fallensoul]

Indeed that is like throwing out an abstract painting when confronted with a question... oh wait..

[stfd]

I assume you read the post where I said that Stfd is something I think Christianity is supposed to teach. Doesn't make my "unbelief" less justified, proves the point I made about there being good in your faith.

But also the negative side effects that religion causes, IE. non tolerance, hatred towards different faiths etc. still remain, one person doesn't change that.

HEy ! sorry for jumpin in.

Remember the side effect of the one 'gift' called freedom ?
It allowed room for one to make mistakes right?
But would you rather have it differently?
Would you prefer to NOT have that total freedom of option - that is ultimatelly to choose from right and wrong?

I hope not, i personally prefer being free.
I really like having it all in my own hands.

Hope my analogy gets the point across.

[fallensoul]

I get what you are saying, but this wasn't about that. It was about how religions does indeed spawn negative side effects along with the good intentions. And when I find person almost abstinent from these negative qualities, it doesn't mean my hatred towards the religion as whole is unjustified. Because 1 person doesn't equal them all.

Of course I wouldn't want freedom restricted in anyway.

[reality man]

Heh,

I dont know about you guys - but with a so called "God" who burns you when you are a bad boy - who sits on a throne judging everybody and holding all thier misdemeanors against them - who issues dictates and threatens you when you dont obey him, and who is always threatening to destroy the world ...

... Well, with a God like that - who the hell needs a big scary devil? In fact, the so called "devil" seems like a nicer kind of guy to hang out with!

I think its time the fairy stories were left behind now, after all, we are no longer children and beliefs in a devil should have been put to rest with the beliefs in the boogeyman and santa claus - what do you think guys?

[fallensoul]

^I suggest you read my Thread for example, should be on the first page still

We have been discussing this exact topic you mention in depth

[stfd]

I get what you are saying, but this wasn't about that. It was about how religions does indeed spawn negative side effects along with the good intentions. And when I find person almost abstinent from these negative qualities, it doesn't mean my hatred towards the religion as whole is unjustified. Because 1 person doesn't equal them all.

Of course I wouldn't want freedom restricted in anyway.


"Of course I wouldn't want freedom restricted in anyway" --> shweet!

You know i have not concluded for myself how exactly to 'define' the word 'religion'.
I am yet to come to that.

Does 'religious person' mean one who goes to church onece a week?
Once a year? never?
So yea icant't really define 'religion' right now.
I for one dont really go to church regularly , tho i should, i'm still not doing it so :D
That's beside the point but do i consider myself a religious guy?
I guess so - and i think the word 'religion' has to do at least in part with a determined 'universal way' of aproaching a certain 'thing' - dogma.
Which is simply a way of approaching certain issues by all in the same 'fashion'.

And ill give a shoert example if i may.
Say the Christian Church in country X assembles it's council in yesr Y and at unity concludes that say umm all forms of occult are immoral there fore they contradict with the Christian 'way' therefore they are rejected/not endorsed etc.

And i see personally absolutelly nothing wrong with that.
I feel 'safe' in a way knowing that some take care of this stuff for me.
They technically took a stand in my name.
While i was bussy with daily life stuff , careless of this stuff which is SO SO much more important - some actually covered it for me.

And for that i thank them.

if it doesnt make sense let me know lol

[fallensoul]

To me a religious person is one who indeed follows dogma, and supports the organization called organized religion, which is a business. Check it out its in the top3 of most profitable businesses alongside weapon trade and black market (drugs etc). Those who rely on it regarding in issues in their life and are on some level afraid of straying from the rules that it dictates (the dogma).

Those who won't consider the moral and ethical issues by themselves using various vantage points and sources to debate any of the standing issues they have. But always turn to their church so they are more or less puppets on a string without their own real opinion in the end.

That is a religious person. And who blatantly believe their dogma and the leaders of that organization, called religion. Those who do not challenge the organization even if it blatantly commits injustice. Say crusades and the obvious money element which is so far away from what Jesus said. It is hypocritical to the bone to support it while saying that Jesus is your ultimate guide.

If you ask me I would say you stfd are more like a spiritual person having the Christian faith and Jesus guiding you on the path of righteousness, since you obviously do not condemn everything outside your faith and so on.. I think that if your church decided something ridiculous like make war with the islamic world you would NOT stand behind them 100%

[octopusrex]

Indeed that is like throwing out an abstract painting when confronted with a question... oh wait..

Actually, your description of Satan reminds me of myself a little, only a little tho. That's why I asked.

[fallensoul]

rex did you quote the wrong person or what?

[stfd]

To me a religious person is one who indeed follows dogma, and supports the organization called organized religion, which is a business. Check it out its in the top3 of most profitable businesses alongside weapon trade and black market (drugs etc). Those who rely on it regarding in issues in their life and are on some level afraid of straying from the rules that it dictates (the dogma).

Those who won't consider the moral and ethical issues by themselves using various vantage points and sources to debate any of the standing issues they have.

That is a religious person. And who blatantly believe their dogma and the leaders of that organization, called religion. Those who do not challenge the organization even if it blatantly commits injustice. Say crusades and the obvious money element which is so far away from what Jesus said. It is hypocritical to the bone to support it while saying that Jesus is your ultimate guide.

If you ask me I would say you stfd are more like a spiritual person having the Christian faith and Jesus guiding you on the path of righteousness, since you obviously do not condemn everything outside your faith and so on..


Yea i know what youre saying.
i mean it takes only a bit of looking arround and it jumps right in your eyes.

Trully, the Name of Christ is nowdays 'used in vain'.

But put it this way for only a remote minute:

If one calling himself Christian instigates to whatever atrocities or/and profits off the ones less knowledgeable or lees informed and couses great pain and suffering ... HOW is that a Christian damit ?!?

Well it can't be , it is not one.
It's a fake, a fraud, a deceiver a great twister of minds and hearts.
One who's actions harm in both past, present and future.Who leves scars that run deep in memory and history and then, takes a great great deal of resilient and continuing -diligent process of healing to restore to what used to be...

[fallensoul]

Glad we agree, oh the rare moments :D

[stfd]

Glad we agree, oh the rare moments :D

dude .. if that was along your point... i mean if i knew it was your point, i would have agreed right on the spot.

There are those who are in a way and then there are many who claim to be as such.

There are also quite a few who try to be- myself included.

Those who claim are the ones who do the hurting.

It is in a way " the enemy within ".
The kind who is the most dangerous.

[miracles]

Miracles, what stupid avatar u chose!!! Damm it fits u! Snake stands for wisdom and intelligence but u're treading on them. It shows, honey, it shows! St. fucking George would have done better, Im telling u!:D

The snake symbolises satan, and thats Christ's heal; crushing his head Gen 3:14

The snake stands for satanic wisdom, fill your boots on it darling be my Guest.

[octopusrex]

rex did you quote the wrong person or what?

Perhaps. I'm still getting the hang of these Forum thinngies.

[fallensoul]

Perhaps. I'm still getting the hang of these Forum thinngies.

I mean atleast in this thread there was no question directly posed to me by you. But I get the feeling that you are being sarcastic here in some way with your 2k+ posts and the word "perhaps".

But I can not make out the picture either, anyone care to explain it to me, what does it represent if anything?

[holyspirit]

The snake symbolises satan, and thats Christ's heal; crushing his head Gen 3:14

The snake stands for satanic wisdom, fill your boots on it darling be my Guest.

Satan is Terrified,

The Lake of fire
That drips Holy Saints Blood Fire
It is dire
For I am the town crier
The old liar has no more lofty dreams
Only nightmares and screams
I sense Satan’s fear
I have no empathy for Lucifer
Not even a tear
What has this fallen one brought on himself?
Oh how the soul hurts when galaxies are aloud to burst
But not so in the lake of fire no escape
From this darkest, compressed Black hole
He can’t run from this durst
No it’s not like that at all
Satan sent himself there
Yet Lucifer did not
God loved Lucifer
But Lucifer puffed up with pride
Decided he knew better than God
Oh how Heaven must have been blackened that day
When Satan took away .333 of the Angels
Now they are demons
Woe onto you Satan Woe onto you

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af196/HolySpirit3/Satan.jpg?t=1248764340

[fallensoul]

Satan is Terrified,

The Lake of fire
That drips Holy Saints Blood Fire
It is dire
For I am the town crier
The old liar has no more lofty dreams
Only nightmares and screams
I sense Satan’s fear
I have no empathy for Lucifer
Not even a tear
What has this fallen one brought on himself?
Oh how the soul hurts when galaxies are aloud to burst
But not so in the lake of fire no escape
From this darkest, compressed Black hole
He can’t run from this durst
No it’s not like that at all
Satan sent himself there
Yet Lucifer did not
God loved Lucifer
But Lucifer puffed up with pride
Decided he knew better than God
Oh how Heaven must have been blackened that day
When Satan took away .333 of the Angels
Now they are demons
Woe onto you Satan Woe onto you

Okay, so where can we hear the accused´s version of the story? Bit one sided eh? Oh right you can not reason with the Lord since he is a dictator. My bad.

When jesus said, judge not lest you be judged, does this not apply to god? FUCKING HYPOCRITE :D

[edelweiss pirate]

Maybe you can keep your holier than thou bs attitude after you die, without any real confirmation btw, so you need belief and faith. But the generation after you will suffer because you never fought back.

The sins of the fathers passed down onto the sons. It works both ways. Evil pass the evil to them, good people pass their weakness to theirs.

It is exactly what the elite want, "SUBMIT, OR DIE!" -> "you will be rewarded in this life if you do as we say, if you die you will be rewarded in the afterlife"

Either way you will do as they say, dead or alive.

Where is the freedom in this? Fuck that I will fight back with all I got if need to, if I don't get to heaven for defending my inalienable rights that every newborn has then I don't wanna go to a sorry ass place full of misguided martyrs who would rather live on their knees than die with honor.

I CHOOSE DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR, even if it means second death included.

[ps. I read alot about NDE's and stuff, and I never got any general idea of being absolute goodness is way to get rewarded or anything, maybe your predisposition lead you to this belief]

I don't know anyone who thinks in that way. Real people don't. Have you any real experience of real people or do you get your philosophy from listening to too many death-metal records.

Are you 16 years old? If so then it's ok you'll get experienced... if not.... you should get out more.

Nothing you say resonates with anything I have seen or experienced. I fight every day of my life but I know my enemy THAT is the difference between futile rage like yours and chanelled targeted power to effect change which I use.

Your words reek of doom and hopeless directionless anger... so you have a go at Christianity when it long since ceased to be part of the threat to us.

Look up Synarchy. That's what we're up against.

[fallensoul]

I don't know anyone who thinks in that way. Real people don't. Have you any real experience of real people or do you get your philosophy from listening to too many death-metal records.

Are you 16 years old? If so then it's ok you'll get experienced... if not.... you should get out more.

Nothing you say resonates with anything I have seen or experienced. I fight every day of my life but I know my enemy THAT is the difference between futile rage like yours and chanelled targeted power to effect change which I use.

Your words reek of doom and hopeless directionless anger... so you have a go at Christianity when it long since ceased to be part of the threat to us.

Look up Synarchy. That's what we're up against.

Wow, so you don't know anyone who actually wants freedom instead of submitting to slavery? My age is non relevant, but I am older than you suggest. And I have been out there enough and read enough to know people.

What about the blacks in USA, you think they would have been better of like you? Not ever rebelling against the unspeakable faith they had been given. You should probably look beyond your own happy bubble and try to put yourself into someones shoes who has been oppressed and enslaved from their birth, that might maybe change your views a bit. Try being a jew in the nazi regime see how long you can keep up this "I LOVE MY ENEMIES" shit you preach.

My rage is not aimless or futile, you just can not see where it is aimed. It is aimed against everyone and everything that stands in the way of real freedom, it is actually very aimed and simple in itself.

Christianity not threat, you ever checked up how many of them are there? Most of them stand between real personal freedom thus they indeed are a real threat. 33% of worlds population consist of Christians, it is the biggest religion thus the biggest enemy between real personal freedom.

If I understood this synarchy correctly then it is also part of the enemy. But I dont need labels or isms to know the enemy. All of those who resist the progress of actual freedom are enemies, there is nothing complicated or directionless about it.

I don't simply have a go at Christianity only, that is just ridiculous.

[michael christopher]

Wow, so you don't know anyone who actually wants freedom instead of submitting to slavery? My age is non relevant, but I am older than you suggest. And I have been out there enough and read enough to know people.

What about the blacks in USA, you think they would have been better of like you? Not ever rebelling against the unspeakable faith they had been given. You should probably look beyond your own happy bubble and try to put yourself into someones shoes who has been oppressed and enslaved from their birth, that might maybe change your views a bit. Try being a jew in the nazi regime see how long you can keep up this "I LOVE MY ENEMIES" shit you preach.

My rage is not aimless or futile, you just can not see where it is aimed. It is aimed against everyone and everything that stands in the way of real freedom, it is actually very aimed and simple in itself.

Christianity not threat, you ever checked up how many of them are there? Most of them stand between real personal freedom thus they indeed are a real threat. 35% of worlds population consist of Christians, it is the biggest religion thus the biggest enemy between real personal freedom.

If I understood this synarchy correctly then it is also part of the enemy. But I dont need labels or isms to know the enemy. All of those who resist the progress of actual freedom are enemies, there is nothing complicated or directionless about it.

I don't simply have a go at Christianity only, that is just ridiculous.

Yes, but the straw man argument that you are strictly anti-Christian fuels the victim mind-set of most of the Christians on this forum, and thus certain Christian propagandists - incidentally propagandists because of their upbringing/brainwashing - will of course attack you as such, because they have to make it about themselves. Christians think the whole world revolves around them - in the case of some of the people on this forum, I think that might be a literal supposition!

Christians are victims, and the people they persecute deserve it - at least according to most Christians I've ever met, and almost all of the Christians on this forum seem to think that way.

[fallensoul]

Yes, but the straw man argument that you are strictly anti-Christian fuels the victim mind-set of most of the Christians on this forum, and thus certain Christian propagandists - incidentally propagandists because of their upbringing/brainwashing - will of course attack you as such, because they have to make it about themselves. Christians think the whole world revolves around them - in the case of some of the people on this forum, I think that might be a literal supposition!

Christians are victims, and the people they persecute deserve it - at least according to most Christians I've ever met, and almost all of the Christians on this forum seem to think that way.

Yes unfortunately it is so when it comes to most Christians. They have not widened their scope. The enemy is large and Christianity only part of it. But I have said before there are even people from Christian faith that I wouldn't consider enemy of freedom, but they are few but they are there.


Well it doesn't matter in the end, change is happening, and there is no rush.

[edelweiss pirate]

So instead of trying to analyise the nature of the evil force that is trying to rip our planet apart you start attacking Christians?

You remind me of the deluded characters from Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged.

This isn't a question of religious belief it's a fact. You're acting like evil's dupes. You are, why 'divert'?

When we get people who try to stop us talking about 'evil' and trying to claim it doesn't exist except as a Christian phenomena, we should know we are dealing with dangerously disturbed individuals indeed. Those who model themselves only by what they hate. Right MC?

It just isn't healthy. It's like a thought toxin that spreads. Keep it to yourselves.

[miracles]

Satan is Terrified,

The Lake of fire
That drips Holy Saints Blood Fire
It is dire
For I am the town crier
The old liar has no more lofty dreams
Only nightmares and screams
I sense Satan’s fear
I have no empathy for Lucifer
Not even a tear
What has this fallen one brought on himself?
Oh how the soul hurts when galaxies are aloud to burst
But not so in the lake of fire no escape
From this darkest, compressed Black hole
He can’t run from this durst
No it’s not like that at all
Satan sent himself there
Yet Lucifer did not
God loved Lucifer
But Lucifer puffed up with pride
Decided he knew better than God
Oh how Heaven must have been blackened that day
When Satan took away .333 of the Angels
Now they are demons
Woe onto you Satan Woe onto you

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af196/HolySpirit3/Satan.jpg?t=1248764340

Did you write that poem? Its brilliant, good work. Im still trying to fugure ot the significance of your picture, what is it friend?

[fallensoul]

So instead of trying to analyise the nature of the evil force that is trying to rip our planet apart you start attacking Christians?

You remind me of the deluded characters from Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged.

This isn't a question of religious belief it's a fact. You're acting like evil's dupes. You are, why 'divert'?

When we get people who try to stop us talking about 'evil' and trying to claim it doesn't exist except as a Christian phenomena, we should know we are dealing with dangerously disturbed individuals indeed. Those who model themselves only by what they hate. Right MC?

It just isn't healthy. It's like a thought toxin that spreads. Keep it to yourselves.

Well you are very set in your views I will only answer you this. For some odd 20 years I had kind of same type of mindset as you without the Christian element. I researched everything and that is how I came to hate Christianity. I have been not modeled by my hate, the target of my hate modeled me. Your views and way of life failed me constantly I was suicidal and depressed when I tried to understand being good and nice. But I realized that you can not try to win those over who hate you regardless.

I would be used for my kindness and people would do shit to me cuz they knew I would forgive them. Enough is enough, now if they fuck with me I will pay them back. Maybe then they will stop giving me shit and then I can be nice to them again. But if you do not stand up once the shit never ends. I am not saying that I would just turn into their enemy and hate them till the end, no, I would show them what they been doing to me and if they understand why it is wrong then we can be good pals again. They wont understand why it is wrong unless they feel the pain themselves. It is simple.

Only way to protect oneself from misery and depression is to face what consumes you, one can only tolerate shit for so long.

Take it any way you like, we are done you and me.

[stfd]

Well you are very set in your views I will only answer you this. For some odd 20 years I had kind of same type of mindset as you without the Christian element. I researched everything and that is how I came to hate Christianity. I have been not modeled by my hate, the target of my hate modeled me. Your views and way of life failed me constantly I was suicidal and depressed when I tried to understand being good and nice. But I realized that you can not try to win those over who hate you regardless.

I would be used for my kindness and people would do shit to me cuz they knew I would forgive them. Enough is enough, now if they fuck with me I will pay them back. Maybe then they will stop giving me shit and then I can be nice to them again. But if you do not stand up once the shit never ends. I am not saying that I would just turn into their enemy and hate them till the end, no, I would show them what they been doing to me and if they understand why it is wrong then we can be good pals again. They wont understand why it is wrong unless they feel the pain themselves. It is simple.

Only way to protect oneself from misery and depression is to face what consumes you, one can only tolerate shit for so long.

Take it any way you like, we are done you and me.


"it" has not failed me, "it" only supports and loves; however I can fail "it".

[holyspirit]

Did you write that poem? Its brilliant, good work. Im still trying to fugure ot the significance of your picture, what is it friend?

Than you about the poem, I wrote it and the picture I painted is of Satan. Look to left of Satan's shoulder and you will see a snake hanging from a branch with a pink tongue.

[michael christopher]

So instead of trying to analyise the nature of the evil force that is trying to rip our planet apart you start attacking Christians?

Gee, who else would Satan be a part of the religion of?

You remind me of the deluded characters from Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged.

You don't want to know who you remind me of.

This isn't a question of religious belief it's a fact. You're acting like evil's dupes. You are, why 'divert'?

Satan exists and it's a fact? You are a joke, man. An outright and utter joke. You go around attacking people for not believing in the Christian Satan? What the hell is wrong with your mind?

When we get people who try to stop us talking about 'evil' and trying to claim it doesn't exist except as a Christian phenomena, we should know we are dealing with dangerously disturbed individuals indeed. Those who model themselves only by what they hate. Right MC?

Evil does exist, it's perpetuated by Christians, Jews and Muslims primarily, atheists are a close second to religionists but I think religionists have a higher kill count overall.

I model myself after what I love you arrogant clown. I'm sick of you coming on here and spreading your completely made-up bullshit about how I'm filled with hate and fear. It's really easy to come on a website and say these things about someone you have never met simply because they question your fucking stupid belief system, but the fact is that you don't know a damn thing about me and my rejection of your bullshit religion is precisely because of how hateful it is, precisely because of how hateful people like you are. If Christianity works, why the hell are you such a jackass? Why do you go around talking shit about people instead of responding to their posts, why are you such a damned troll? Why do you never add anything to a discussion and only attack, attack, attack, refuse to answer questions, attack some more, spread lies and bullshit, attack attack attack? You are the one who is filled with utter hatred and disregard for those who threaten your idiotic belief system and I've had it with people like you. Your time is at an end. The age of ignorance is almost over.

All religions will soon be a thing of the past, and that's called nature and evolution. It's an inevitable force, edelweiss, and all you have the power to do is shake in your boots and futilely attack those who carry the banner of knowledge and change. :)

You are so weak you can't even abide by the rules of your own religion. What a happy whipping boy you are, a grateful slave. Get on your knees and kiss the feet of your beloved Satan-Christ. You are supposed to worship him for all eternity, you might as well start acting like it now instead of wasting your time trying to preserve a dying organism. I hope you don't kill yourself like all the other culties when you find out Jesus isn't coming back. Don't worry, we'll be fine in hell without your stupid stolen religion. The Essenes and the Gnostics have been rolling in their graves ever since the Christians finished killing them off.

It just isn't healthy. It's like a thought toxin that spreads. Keep it to yourselves.

Haha... coming from one of the most poisonous people on this website, you are too funny. If you don't want to read what I have to say use the ignore feature, it helps me skip over about 95% of your posts. It's where I see someone else quoting you and I know you're talking to me that I open something up. Maybe I should stop doing that as well, and let you babble on endlessly and stupidly into oblivion, posting your sickness for all to see.

[miracles]

Than you about the poem, I wrote it and the picture I painted is of Satan. Look to left of Satan's shoulder and you will see a snake hanging from a branch with a pink tongue.

Oh I see it now, great painting. Keep up the artitsic work, sometimes it is art that can help people see truth, however with the blind looney tunes around here, I fear they will never see the truth.

[fallensoul]

Oh I see it now, great painting. Keep up the artitsic work, sometimes it is art that can help people see truth, however with the blind looney tunes around here, I fear they will never see the truth.

Hey cmon now, proof of your truth is in a abstract painting made by some firm believer? Hahah :D Cant get more abstract than that IMO

[edelweiss pirate]

Hey cmon now, proof of your truth is in a abstract painting made by some firm believer? Hahah :D Cant get more abstract than that IMO

How about we turn the tables here.

FallenSoul, MC, The Lucifer, SeanX and all the rest of you. What do you believe? what is your spiritual vision?

What do you think happens to you when you die.... since that's what religion is essentially about and has tried to answer and which you hold in contempt, what are YOUR beliefs?

What will happen to you when you die?

PS: There is no need to fulminate get angry, mock, scoff or swear, or refer to Christianity in your response, remember I want YOUR own thoughts.

That's it! I want to see if there is anything more to you than a simple single hatred of 'all-religion'.

[miracles]

How about we turn the tables here.

FallenSoul, MC, The Lucifer, SeanX and all the rest of you. What do you believe? what is your spiritual vision?

What do you think happens to you when you die.... since that's what religion is essentially about and has tried to answer and which you hold in contempt, what are YOUR beliefs?

What will happen to you when you die?

PS: There is no need to fulminate get angry, mock, scoff or swear, or refer to Christianity in your response, remember I want YOUR own thoughts.

That's it! I want to see if there is anything more to you than a simple single hatred of 'all-religion'.

Who cares? :D

[synergy777]

How about we turn the tables here.

FallenSoul, MC, The Lucifer, SeanX and all the rest of you. What do you believe? what is your spiritual vision?

What do you think happens to you when you die.... since that's what religion is essentially about and has tried to answer and which you hold in contempt, what are YOUR beliefs?

What will happen to you when you die?

PS: There is no need to fulminate get angry, mock, scoff or swear, or refer to Christianity in your response, remember I want YOUR own thoughts.

That's it! I want to see if there is anything more to you than a simple single hatred of 'all-religion'.

nice 1 bro,

its about time the naysayers, the know it alls, gave us their enlightend perspective, i look forward to their wisdom.

[armoured_amazon]

nice 1 bro,

its about time the naysayers, the know it alls, gave us their enlightend perspective, i look forward to their wisdom.

Me too. :)

[stfd]

nice 1 bro,

its about time the naysayers, the know it alls, gave us their enlightend perspective, i look forward to their wisdom.

geeee damn i wanna know it also !
That would be frekin enlightening i hope.
Actually i expect a bunch of ambiguous 'stuff' slapped together to form something abstract as if taken from scifi channel :D

[tannah]

1 - I don't believe God kills babies

Nuff said.

[stfd]

1 - I don't believe God kills babies

Nuff said.

Nope , not even close on being "Nuff said".
We all know God doesn't kill babies.

Now please respond to this will ya!
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"How about we turn the tables here.

FallenSoul, MC, The Lucifer, SeanX and all the rest of you. What do you believe? what is your spiritual vision?

What do you think happens to you when you die.... since that's what religion is essentially about and has tried to answer and which you hold in contempt, what are YOUR beliefs?

What will happen to you when you die?

PS: There is no need to fulminate get angry, mock, scoff or swear, or refer to Christianity in your response, remember I want YOUR own thoughts.

That's it! I want to see if there is anything more to you than a simple single hatred of 'all-religion'."
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Looking forward to your response.

[tannah]

If God doesn't kill babies then the bible is mistakenly saying he does.

It isn't a requirement to believe anything btw stfd. Knowing that something isn't what it says it is doesn't mean one has to believe something else.

if you can't accept what your bible says , and pretend it isn't true, or out of context, then off you go. I've lost interest.

And if I believe anything , then a God worthy of my attention is inside me and all, and is going to bring everyone to the perfection that is within.

Any so called god that exists as the bible or quran says can fuck off. Is that offensive enough for you? Fuck off Jehovah....ok? Fuck off Allah....alright?
Are you personally insulted? EDITED

[jambolina62]

I have experienced evil. I had problems in my life at the time, I was very low. I believe whatever I experienced tried to get to to me and was using my very negative energy. I will never forget it but I rose above it and even though I was rendered paralysed for something like 30 seconds, I found the strength to fight it. It was right next to my face, breathing on my face and growling the most horrendous, gutteral sound. I shouted, "No", in my mind because I couldn't speak and it left me. I have had this experience 3 times in my 46 years and I do not think it will happen again as I feel that I have changed and of course, I am much stronger than 'it'.

[stfd]

If God doesn't kill babies then the bible is mistakenly saying he does.

It isn't a requirement to believe anything btw stfd. Knowing that something isn't what it says it is doesn't mean one has to believe something else.

if you can't accept what your bible says , and pretend it isn't true, or out of context, then off you go. I've lost interest.

And if I believe anything , then a God worthy of my attention is inside me and all, and is going to bring everyone to the perfection that is within.

Any so called god that exists as the bible or quran says can fuck off. Is that offensive enough for you? Fuck off Jehovah....ok? Fuck off Allah....alright?
Are you personally insulted? EDITED

The Bible says nothing mistakenly, it is just you who wrongly interpreted OR took someone elses wrong interpretation as truth.
You want to believe one thing therefore you see only that thing which you wanted in the first place.

Like i said the Bible isn't mine.
Mine is my faith.
The Bible is God's Word.
And i believe the Word of God.

All it takes is to have a lil bit of faith.

And no i am not offended this time.
And understand it is not really me whoom you actually offend...keep that in mind.

Thanks for responding

[tannah]

The Bible says nothing mistakenly, it is just you who wrongly interpreted OR took someone elses wrong interpretation as truth.
You want to believe one thing therefore you see only that thing which you wanted in the first place.

Like i said the Bible isn't mine.
Mine is my faith.
The Bible is God's Word.
And i believe the Word of God.

All it takes is to have a lil bit of faith.

And no i am not offended this time.
And understand it is not really me whoom you actually offend...keep that in mind.

Thanks for responding

That's right, I haven't offended anyone, because those things don't exist.

Bear in mind that you are a liar too, regarding the actions of God in the bible. No context would be an acceptable one. The bible simply hasn't got God right. Believe it all you want, it simply doesn't add up. Go and evangelize and catch a few more "lost souls" into your net. You can't escape reality, so I'll see there

[tannah]

Exodus:12:29-30 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.


What is this doing in a book about the Word of God?

[fallensoul]

Nope , not even close on being "Nuff said".
We all know God doesn't kill babies.

I wanna learn the methods how you make someone forget one single thing again and again. It reads in there in bible, we all know he does kill babies.

[thelucifer]

How about we turn the tables here.

FallenSoul, MC, The Lucifer, SeanX and all the rest of you. What do you believe? what is your spiritual vision?

What do you think happens to you when you die.... since that's what religion is essentially about and has tried to answer and which you hold in contempt, what are YOUR beliefs?

What will happen to you when you die?

PS: There is no need to fulminate get angry, mock, scoff or swear, or refer to Christianity in your response, remember I want YOUR own thoughts.

That's it! I want to see if there is anything more to you than a simple single hatred of 'all-religion'.

LOL

Is this the thread for that ? :confused:

How about a spiritual vision thread.

[fallensoul]

edelweiss pirate I believe in nothing but only in myself, how you gonna attack my beliefs then? I actually stated my beliefs in an earlier post against you but as you never probably see anything I write behind the religious haze, I mean hypnotism you are under. I could even as a child determine that Christianity is not for me since it is full of weird shit. Like god killing babies and putting his only son thru hellish torture, and history showing how your faith has murdered countless "infidels" "witches" and suppressed knowledge because it doesn't agree with the "word of god"



I dont have any ridiculous restrictions in my mind that I couldnt think this or that because its sinful. No excuses, I do what I deem best for me. Only thing that matters is freedom thats all. Yours are easy to attack since you claim that something man made is truth and real and believe in fairytales.

Galileo was ordered to Rome to stand trial on suspicion of heresy in 1633, "for holding as true the false doctrine taught by some that the sun is the center of the world," against the 1616 condemnation, since "it was decided at the Holy Congregation [...] on 25 Feb 1616 that [...] the Holy Office would give you an injunction to abandon this doctrine, not to teach it to others, not to defend it, and not to treat of it; and that if you did not acquiesce in this injunction, you should be imprisoned"[27]. The sentence of the Inquisition was in three essential parts:

* Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy," namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse, and detest" those opinions.[28]
* He was ordered imprisoned; the sentence was later commuted to house arrest for the rest of his life.
* His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future[29

How much real history we have lost into the vatican libraries and been burned because they were "occult" knowledge. History that didnt agree with the bible. What a shame, possibly we are indeed in this deep shit because these religions have been modeling the society. It doesnt just effect to believers. The religions involve the opposition and make it a war between who is right and wrong.

how could shit like this be good for humans? Damn guy tried to make people understand the universe better, but hey better check from this infalliable book how it is. Oh he must be a heretic, lets arrest him to his own home for rest of his life. Surely this cannot be right?

That is not the first one who your religion deemed vehemently heretic. I don't know how adults could miss these things..

[stfd]

That's right, I haven't offended anyone, because those things don't exist.

Bear in mind that you are a liar too, regarding the actions of God in the bible. No context would be an acceptable one. The bible simply hasn't got God right. Believe it all you want, it simply doesn't add up. Go and evangelize and catch a few more "lost souls" into your net. You can't escape reality, so I'll see there

I'm glad i can help you come back to your senses.

In any event - God didnt kill any babies nor had someone else do it.

"That's right, I haven't offended anyone"
On the contrary - you have - maybe not me be but damn you did offend.


"The bible simply hasn't got God right"
The Bible is God's Word , His Voice - your statement makes no sense.

[tannah]

I'm glad i can help you come back to your senses.

In any event - God didnt kill any babies nor had someone else do it.

Oh Gawd!!!

"That's right, I haven't offended anyone"
On the contrary - you have - maybe not me be but damn you did offend.

You mean I offended the Gawd that killed little 'uns? He better not show his face again dude.


"The bible simply hasn't got God right"
The Bible is God's Word , His Voice - your statement makes no sense.

Oh Gawd!!!

[fallensoul]

What is teh scripture about, when it says Lord kills the newborn

What is there not to understand..?

[reality man]

Just popped into the "satan" forum for a little bit. Some things you may need to know. :cool:

1: The word Lucifer means "the morning star" (sometimes known as the fallen angel which appears to fall in the night sky) and refers to the planet Venus. :eek:

2: Beelzebul was the Hebrew name for the Philistine god of fertility Baal. The Philistines and Jews were enemies and so thier gods were also viewed as enemies - hence why Beelzebul became the enemy of "god". :eek:

3: Satan means - a crisis of faith leading to wisdom and enlightenment - hence why Jesus is reported as being led by "satan" into the desert to be tested and then he emerged from the desert all enlightened and ready to teach) - it is also a name associated with the planet Saturn. :eek:

4: The word "devil" simply means the "accuser" (it's greek). :eek:

Just a few simple FACTS there for whoever is interested. :rolleyes:

So before any bible thumping commences - you all might want to check these out in any official encyclopedia! :D

All the best! ;)

[miracles]

Just popped into the "satan" forum for a little bit. Some things you may need to know. :cool:

1: The word Lucifer means "the morning star" (sometimes known as the fallen angel which appears to fall in the night sky) and refers to the planet Venus. :eek:

2: Beelzebul was the Hebrew name for the Philistine god of fertility Baal. The Philistines and Jews were enemies and so thier gods were also viewed as enemies - hence why Beelzebul became the enemy of "god". :eek:

3: Satan means - a crisis of faith leading to wisdom and enlightenment - hence why Jesus is reported as being led by "satan" into the desert to be tested and then he emerged from the desert all enlightened and ready to teach) - it is also a name associated with the planet Saturn. :eek:

4: The word "devil" simply means the "accuser" (it's greek). :eek:

Just a few simple FACTS there for whoever is interested. :rolleyes:

So before any bible thumping commences - you all might want to check these out in any official encyclopedia! :D

All the best! ;)


How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations

Lucifer is referred to in Isaiah as son of the the morning, not sure if the bible calls him the morning star? Correct me If I am wrong.

[michael christopher]

How about we turn the tables here.

FallenSoul, MC, The Lucifer, SeanX and all the rest of you. What do you believe? what is your spiritual vision?

What do you think happens to you when you die.... since that's what religion is essentially about and has tried to answer and which you hold in contempt, what are YOUR beliefs?

What will happen to you when you die?

PS: There is no need to fulminate get angry, mock, scoff or swear, or refer to Christianity in your response, remember I want YOUR own thoughts.

That's it! I want to see if there is anything more to you than a simple single hatred of 'all-religion'.

I have posted my beliefs many times on this forum, but you wouldn't know because you usually write your insulting response without reading anything I've said.

[reality man]

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations

Lucifer is referred to in Isaiah as son of the the morning, not sure if the bible calls him the morning star? Correct me If I am wrong.


Lucifer was the ancient name for the planet Venus, the brightest "star" in the morning sky. It looked like it fell in the sky hence "the fallen angel". - When Venus was closest to the earth, it was siad that humanity became perverted, depraved etc. In the old testament this is what they are referring to and so it became mixed up with a belief in an otherworldly boogeyman who is at "war" with God.

The new testament (correct me of my memory is faulty) refers to the philistine god of fertiltiy Baal - translated into hebrew as Beelzebul. Jews & philistines hated each other - and so the jews then viewed Baal (or Beelzebul) as being the enemy of thier God. Hence why Beelzebul was known as "the evil one" etc.

Satan is the ancient word given to the crisis of faith process which leads to wisdom and enlightenment. This is why Jesus was apparently tested in the desert before he was ready to teach. He went through this process and got spat out the other end enlightened.

This verifys that the beleif in the otherworldly boogeyman, or "devil" (accuser) is merely a misunderstanding on the part of the religions, due to the passage of time - its nobodys fault really.

Ask and you shall recieve - knock and the door will be opened - seek and you will find!

PS - This can be verified by ANY encyclopedia! :cool:

[miracles]

Lucifer was the ancient name for the planet Venus, the brightest "star" in the morning sky. It looked like it fell in the sky hence "the fallen angel". - When Venus was closest to the earth, it was siad that humanity became perverted, depraved etc. In the old testament this is what they are referring to and so it became mixed up with a belief in an otherworldly boogeyman who is at "war" with God.

The new testament (correct me of my memory is faulty) refers to the philistine god of fertiltiy Baal - translated into hebrew as Beelzebul. Jews & philistines hated each other - and so the jews then viewed Baal (or Beelzebul) as being the enemy of thier God. Hence why Beelzebul was known as "the evil one" etc.

Satan is the ancient word given to the crisis of faith process which leads to wisdom and enlightenment. This is why Jesus was apparently tested in the desert before he was ready to teach. He went through this process and got spat out the other end enlightened.

This verifys that the beleif in the otherworldly boogeyman, or "devil" (accuser) is merely a misunderstanding on the part of the religions, due to the passage of time - its nobodys fault really.

Ask and you shall recieve - knock and the door will be opened - seek and you will find!

PS - This can be verified by ANY encyclopedia! :cool:

Jesus was enlightened was he? No Jesus was and is God. Luicfer, satan the devil the dragon, beelsibub, all different names for the same entity. Biblicallly speaking of course. Which is where the names come from(the bible), that other books plagurize these names an pervert the meanings is another topic.


PS:
Ask and you shall recieve - knock and the door will be opened - seek and you will find!


This is true, Ive found it.

[fallensoul]

8. Damned Religion

Your morals are not my morals
Your religion means nothing to me
Your two faced lying high priests of power
Take your gospel stay away from me

Your truth is not my truth
Your point of view means nothing to me
Your double talking jive motherfuckers
Take your bullshit stay away from me

False messiah legions of fire !
Religion is in your blood,
Religions in your head, religion is your drug
Can never get enough

Your twisted rhetoric it takes you higher
The lord you worship is the false messiah
The lives you prey on can't defend themselves
You use them up and make their lives all hell

You cheat and lie you use the weak and poor
Your so called master is a lying whore
Your evil empire is a cancer cell
You too will die and burn forever in hell

Your dreams are not my dreams
Your holy war means nothing to me
Your narrow minded no brain way of thinking
Your damned religion stay away from me

This song would fit nicely here. Now miracles your turn :p

[edelweiss pirate]

If God doesn't kill babies then the bible is mistakenly saying he does.

It isn't a requirement to believe anything btw stfd. Knowing that something isn't what it says it is doesn't mean one has to believe something else.

if you can't accept what your bible says , and pretend it isn't true, or out of context, then off you go. I've lost interest.

And if I believe anything , then a God worthy of my attention is inside me and all, and is going to bring everyone to the perfection that is within.

Any so called god that exists as the bible or quran says can fuck off. Is that offensive enough for you? Fuck off Jehovah....ok? Fuck off Allah....alright?
Are you personally insulted? EDITED

So you couldn't even tell me about your own philosphy without referring to Christianity and swearing and being offensive.

That's pretty sad. That's a shit philosophy by anyone's standards.

So basically you have nothing but hatred. I'd rather be a Christian OR a Mulsim or even a Jew. At least I gots something. You are just a negative. Like a satanist or something. A blasphemer who just gets their kicks out of blasphemy.

[tannah]

So you couldn't even tell me about your own philosphy without referring to Christianity and swearing and being offensive.

That's pretty sad. That's a shit philosophy by anyone's standards.

So basically you have nothing but hatred. I'd rather be a Christian OR a Mulsim or even a Jew. At least I gots something. You are just a negative. Like a satanist or something. A blasphemer who just gets their kicks out of blasphemy.

Dude, It's not hatred, it's just a bit of frustration at the narrow-minded blind attitudes of people that say silly things like "the bible is the word of God and no he didn't kill babies". I'm done with it, have a nice day.

[reality man]

Jesus was enlightened was he? No Jesus was and is God. Luicfer, satan the devil the dragon, beelsibub, all different names for the same entity. Biblicallly speaking of course. Which is where the names come from(the bible), that other books plagurize these names an pervert the meanings is another topic.
This is true, Ive found it.


Above is an example of having the eyes wide shut - even when you are presented with HARDCORE facts you still hang onto un-truth.

So miracles translation of the quoted words is right - and guess what everyone - every encyclopedia and reference book on the face of planet earth is wrong - well now - at least I now have had it confirmed, that I had better go to another forum quick, since these religious forums are a bit like flogging a DEAD horse.

Maybe I will go to the reptilian forum now - I now actually think i'll have a more intelligent conversation there!

[fallensoul]

Luicfer, satan the devil the dragon, beelsibub, all different names for the same entity. Biblicallly speaking of course. Which is where the names come from(the bible), that other books plagurize these names an pervert the meanings is another topic.

You are so full of shit, how can other books plagurize these names and pervert them when they predate Christianity, CAN YOU BE MORE WRONG? Study some history before you spew this stuff, seriously.


LUCIFER: Son of the Dawn.

He is the 'Bearer of Light' and God of the Evening Star and Morning Star.

Under the Greeks he was the gleaming God PHOSPHEROS.


Baal Zebub Baal Zebub baal
Baal Zebub is a Philistine god at Ekron. Later this name came to denote satan. The name Baal Zebub transliterated into Greek gives the familiar name Beelzebub.

The name Baal Zebub consists of two parts. Firstly the word Baal, meaning owner, husband. The second part of the name Baal Zebub is the word Zebub (zebub 523a), flies, from the verb zbb (zbb 523), go hither and thither, move to and fro.

It was Christianity which made him into Satan, because the god called Baal or Baal Zebub was their enemy.

Christianity is not so original as you would like to think :P

Satan (Hebrew: השָׂטָן ha-Satan ('the accuser') - Arabic: شيطان al-Shaitan ('the adversary'); both from the Semitic root: Sh-Ṭ-N) is a term that originates from the Abrahamic religions, being traditionally applied to an angel in Judeo-Christian belief, and to a Jinn in Islamic belief. Originally, the term was used as a title for various entities that challenged the religious faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible. Since then, the Abrahamic religions have used the name 'Satan' as a name for the Devil.

Even Satan himself was never originally "the devil", it was simply "the adversary" or "the accuser"

It is good to see how Christianity perverts some gods who predate theirs, and they like to connect them all to Devil.

Enki (Sumerian: dEN.KI(G)����) was a god in Sumerian mythology, later known as Ea in Akkadian and Babylonian mythology. He was originally patron god of the city of Eridu, but later the influence of his cult spread throughout Mesopotamia and to the Hittites and Hurrians. He was the deity of crafts (gašam); water, seawater, and lakewater (a, aba, ab), intelligence (gestú, literally "ear") and creation (Nudimmud: nu, likeness, dim mud, make bear). He was assimilated[clarification needed] to the zenith in the Sun's path at the winter solstice.[1] His sacred number name was "40".[2]

The exact meaning of his name is uncertain: the common translation is "Lord of the Earth": the Sumerian en is translated as a title equivalent to "lord"; it was originally a title given to the High Priest; ki means "earth"; but there are theories that ki in this name has another origin, possibly kig of unknown meaning, or kur meaning "mound". The name Ea is allegedly Hurrian in origin while others [3][4] claim that it is possibly of Semitic origin and may be a derivation from the West-Semitic root *hyy meaning "life" in this case used for "spring", "running water." In Sumerian E-A means "the house of water", and it has been suggested that this was originally the name for the shrine to the God at Eridu.

Here is where Christianity got the idea of Satan being the ruler on earth. This is so much older than Christianity but its basicly the same thing. This Enki character rebelled his brother Enlil which wanted to enslave people whereas Enki wanted to free them. (Lucifer does same thing but the story is about angels, but basically it is the same.)

Oh sorry I forgot that the Christian timeline completely ignores everything that predates it, MY BAD.

[edelweiss pirate]

Are you a Luciferian Fallensoul?

You know, (or think you know) what we are... so what are you?

What do you believe?

Clue: If you can't define your belief system without referring to Christianity then that actually makes you a Christian..... You're part of the paradigm if your views are totally coloured by Christianity (albeit one in denial) as yours all seem to be,.

You'd prolly rather not be that so just forget about Christianity for a minute if you can.

[fallensoul]

Well I already said multiple times that I do not believe in anything except myself, the voice of reason. My belief system is not defined by Christianity but myself.

I am not Luciferian I couldn't care less about it. I couldn't care less about Christianity either, I just love to debate and this forum is full of topics about Christianity so that's what I am debating now.

I am trying to show how Christianity cannot be taken seriously as the truth when it is indeed collection of stories that are not even original. But the thick Christians never apparently studied other religions or atleast those that predate theirs so it is easy to refute their ridiculous statements.

I also responded to you in earlier post in detail about what I love and hate, and what I believe in (nothing, but myself) but as I suspected you probably didn't read it or you read it but forgot it instantly.

[reality man]

I would like to thank Fallensoul for his post above - concerning the names of this big bad "devil" character which many beleive in. I thought I had these words researched well, but you have done a much better job.:D

Of course, there is no point in telling all of these FACTS to bible bashers, because they probably think a big bad devil is working within both you and I for simply stating the facts.:eek:

We are probably trying to "tempt" them and "lead them astray", heathens that we are!:rolleyes:

[fallensoul]

I would like to thank Fallensoul for his post above or on previous page - concerning the names of this big bad "devil" character which many beleive in. I thought I had these words researched well, but you have done a much better job.

Of course, there is no point in telling all of these FACTS to bible bashers, because they probably think a big bad devil is working within both you and I for simply stating the facts.

We are probably trying to "tempt" them and "lead them astray", heathens that we are!

Thank you :) Well when I see obvious lies I can not just let that be. If we seriously want any kind of truth ever to come out we must research and not just take the first explanation coming from some hardcore Christian :D

Oh and I noticed that you said the same thins basically but somehow even after that post Miracles dared to say those names come from the bible so I felt like I need to repeat the message :D

And obviously I work with Satan ;)

[edelweiss pirate]

Well I already said multiple times that I do not believe in anything except myself, the voice of reason. My belief system is not defined by Christianity but myself.

I am not Luciferian I couldn't care less about it. I couldn't care less about Christianity either, I just love to debate and this forum is full of topics about Christianity so that's what I am debating now.

I am trying to show how Christianity cannot be taken seriously as the truth when it is indeed collection of stories that are not even original. But the thick Christians never apparently studied other religions or atleast those that predate theirs so it is easy to refute their ridiculous statements.

I also responded to you in earlier post in detail about what I love and hate, and what I believe in (nothing, but myself) but as I suspected you probably didn't read it or you read it but forgot it instantly.

You're not debating you're trying to steal people's faith from them and replace it with bitterness.

[fallensoul]

You're not debating you're trying to steal people's faith from them and replace it with bitterness.

Well, who forced them to come here so I could "steal" their faith. And I am not bitter person, my view on Christianity well, might be bitter, maybe that's way too tame adjective but yes. I am merely stating facts that undermine the bible, if that indeed is stealing faith then that faith is not more worth than a bag of lies.

You don't bring the gold to the thieves doorstep, now do you?


What will happen to you when you die?

Here is some food of thought for you. I don't know ok? And I don't want anyone to tell me because I know that they cannot know the answer for a fact either.

What ever happens I hope it will be something amazing. I don't need to know, I like surprises :D Since there has been theories that your afterlife is constructed by your beliefs, I would assume it might be a lucid dream like state, where your thoughts manifest. Thus I don't want no religious poison that will create something for me which I didn't make myself.

[reality man]

To the question - What will happen to you when you die?

Here is some food of thought for you. I don't know ok? And I don't want anyone to tell me because I know that they cannot know the answer for a fact either.

What ever happens I hope it will be something amazing. I don't need to know, I like surprises :D Since there has been theories that your afterlife is constructed by your beliefs, I would assume it might be a lucid dream like state, where your thoughts manifest. Thus I don't want no religious poison that will create something for me which I didn't make myself.


Well said Fallensoul - very well said - damn you are good!

Why I wonder do ALL religious people ask this question - What will happen to you when you die?

Is that all your religion is based upon - the fear of death and not knowing what awaits you? So am I to conclude that your religious faith is like some kind of spiritual insurance policy? Is it all based on fear? Is that why you are all heard to be talking about the "fear of God" all the time?

HA! - You religious types are scared witless, and you will beleive any old crap to counteract that fear won't you? You'll build all manner of altered realities within your mind to keep at bay the fear you are drowning in! Thats why you keep digging into your tired old books to fight with the so called "heathen unbeleivers" - we are a threat to your false securuity aren't we?

What happened to authentic and REAL spiritual awakening here and now - and to hell with after death? Afterall, if actual experiential spiritual realization happens NOW, then the afterlife will take care of itself - won't it? No need to be fearful anymore then, is there?

Knock knock
Who's there?
IT'S REALITY CALLING
oh shit brethren, run for your lives, reality's trying to bite us in the ass again!

[fallensoul]

Why I wonder do ALL religious people ask this question - What will happen to you when you die?

Yes why do they need to know? It will be start for an new adventure, or the end for this one. Either way it doesn't matter. I already feel like I have done something with my life, came to peace with myself. I have accepted myself as I am, I am proud to be who I am, talk freely about anything I want without no belief system restricting my eyes from seeing what is. Every bit of information, is like a treasure, it might be scifi, it might be history, it might be myths, it might be paranormal, it might be something tedious like law.

I can freely collect information about everything I ever wanted and try to understand everything through everything I have studied, outside myself, and within myself by contemplating many things. I have found inner peace, I am never nervous, I don't feel insecure EVER. I do not care how others perceive me, because appearance, the manner I carry myself with pride speaks for itself. People sense my confidence and wonder how I keep myself so collected.

How can I say the things I do without fear, how can I always retain my cool even when insulted, I would smile and reply back something sarcastic or walk away. I do not have any regrets, all the hardships in my life I have seen as necessary lessons to overcome some fear or restricting belief system.

I wish to understand the mind, the universe, existence, and reality by means of contemplating everything I can. No matter how much I read the bible I could never know enough to reach wider awareness and higher understanding of the collective knowledge of humanity.

I have learned by studying myself and changing myself and getting rid of fears to understand others in a deep way. I can relate to their insecurities, I can sense their personality and emotions through their words and the way they carry themselves. People have some innate respect for me even if I never met them before.


The more you know, the more you perceive, the more you perceive, the more you know, awareness grows every time you can see things from different perspective, understand the world in different ways. If you get stuck in one very limited belief system then you feel always for the need to have something more when the religious belief gets tedious and repetetive. Or you would not go someplace or try some thing or dare find out something because of the religious beliefs.

I do not want to restrict myself, I will create my own understanding via my own research, contemplating and will. Every day when I see something others miss in others I see it as confirmation of my growing awareness. How I can with no difficulty at all determine in minutes how people feel about me and how they perceive me, and what kind of image I want to give them of me. It gives me freedom to be anyone I want, and I can change my roles in a subtle manner leaving an aura of mystery around myself, when no one really knows who I really am. Life is so much interesting when you can explore the essence of being human in different ways.

I do not limit myself to any personality, or any accomplishments, or my knowledge, or my beliefs, or the things I am good at. I always recognize that my past is irrelevant in the present moment it is my history but not who I am right now, I keep learning and changing. When I meet new people I can be anyone I want, they don't know me, I can choose my role what ever I want it to be. I am not really some person, I am anyone I ever want to be. The point is I try to understand how others see my based on what they know of me instead of seeing myself like I see myself, it makes great difference. What I keep consistent is some principles I have. For example, I never give compliments unless I feel they are really in order. So when I do those know its value. I don't daily tell my female friends how beautiful they are, it loses its meaning. I don't compliment women ever, except when they are very emotional and in love so I can make a honest compliment to them when they are already emotional, which leaves huge impact on them. And other principles such as being honest in everything I do.

I do not try to please other people ever, and I do not assume anything from them. The meaning of favor loses its meaning when you repeatedly try to please someone. I do not buy women meals or pay their movie unless they really have no money. I see it as some kind of act of putting the female on a pedestal. I don't say sorry when I feel that I wasn't wrong, so when I admit I was wrong and say I am sorry they know I mean it.

I do not pretend, I just am.

Theres some insight into my mind.

I could write so much more, and as you noticed I do love myself alot and think I am great. But this is part of becoming really in peace with yourself, to be able to truly like who you are and everything about yourself, the good and the bad. Being humbly and ashamed about saying great things about oneself is sign of not accepting yourself, seeing yourself as faulty in some way. I am proud to admit that I am wise, knowledgeable and skilled in many aspects, and good looking, and a noble soul, free in the mind, and free in flesh. I do love myself, and if you think that makes me bad, I don't care.

This just poured out of me, I wanted to say something genuine not discuss any theory, just talk about my perception.

[michael christopher]

Well said Fallensoul - very well said - damn you are good!

Why I wonder do ALL religious people ask this question - What will happen to you when you die?

Is that all your religion is based upon - the fear of death and not knowing what awaits you? So am I to conclude that your religious faith is like some kind of spiritual insurance policy? Is it all based on fear? Is that why you are all heard to be talking about the "fear of God" all the time?

HA! - You religious types are scared witless, and you will beleive any old crap to counteract that fear won't you? You'll build all manner of altered realities within your mind to keep at bay the fear you are drowning in! Thats why you keep digging into your tired old books to fight with the so called "heathen unbeleivers" - we are a threat to your false securuity aren't we?

What happened to authentic and REAL spiritual awakening here and now - and to hell with after death? Afterall, if actual experiential spiritual realization happens NOW, then the afterlife will take care of itself - won't it? No need to be fearful anymore then, is there?

Knock knock
Who's there?
IT'S REALITY CALLING
oh shit brethren, run for your lives, reality's trying to bite us in the ass again!

The David Icke forum attracts some extremely intelligent individuals. I guess it's only natural that extremely stupid ones would come here to attack them as well.

Most of these furious Christians don't even realize they're on the David Icke forum, I'm guessing.

[reality man]

I could write so much more, and as you noticed I do love myself alot and think I am great. But this is part of becoming really in peace with yourself, to be able to truly like who you are and everything about yourself, the good and the bad. Being humbly and ashamed about saying great things about oneself is sign of not accepting yourself, seeing yourself as faulty in some way. I am proud to admit that I am wise, knowledgeable and skilled in many aspects, and good looking, and a noble human being, free in the mind, and free in flesh. I do love myself, and if you think that makes me bad, I don't care.


I know - I'm great too - we all are, since we are all made of the same stuff/source.

I guess the trouble with the religious mind, is that it has been fed a whole lot of old rubbish about being unworthy for so long, that for one to stand up and say "I love myself" is viewed as being arrogant or blasphemous in some way.

I would say however, that to belittle oneself or put oneself down, either by referring to oneself as being a so called "sinner" or by begging some "god" for forgiveness is the height of ignorance - since it is an attack upon the source/God. To say "I'm not worthy" is to belittle that God/Spirit within - it's almost tantamount to telling "God" that his artwork is shit.

We also turn our backs on our inner spiritual truth when we put ourselves down like this - thereby cutting off awareness of the fact that we are God!




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[miracles]

I would like to thank Fallensoul for his post above - concerning the names of this big bad "devil" character which many beleive in. I thought I had these words researched well, but you have done a much better job.:D

Of course, there is no point in telling all of these FACTS to bible bashers, because they probably think a big bad devil is working within both you and I for simply stating the facts.:eek:

We are probably trying to "tempt" them and "lead them astray", heathens that we are!:rolleyes:

I would like to thank the creators of this website for adding an ignore function so I don't have to read Fallens Souls crap. :D

[michael christopher]

I know - I'm great too - we all are, since we are all made of the same stuff/source.

I guess the trouble with the religious mind, is that it has been fed a whole lot of old rubbish about being unworthy for so long, that for one to stand up and say "I love myself" is viewed as being arrogant or blasphemous in some way.

I would say however, that to belittle oneself or put oneself down, either by referring to oneself as being a so called "sinner" or by begging some "god" for forgiveness is the height of ignorance - since it is an attack upon the source/God. To say "I'm not worthy" is to belittle that God/Spirit within - it's almost tantamount to telling "god" that is art work is shit. Since we all have that God/Spirit as our true reality - well then it is a bit like insulting ourselves also - since we are that God/Spirit/Source - we are one with it - we are it!



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The point of religious brainwashing is to make people hate themselves so much that they fear they are unworthy of salvation, and thus they must ask for the outside force to save them. That's why there are so many mixed messages, that's why all religious books are inherently contradictory, and that's why Christians and Muslims (in particular those two) feel as though they must bash and put down everyone who knows the truth about their stolen religions. They think they are already going to hell and they can only get to heaven by winning brownie points with God.

The funny thing is, hell is a self-created state, and they're already living in it. And they love it.

[miracles]

Above is an example of having the eyes wide shut - even when you are presented with HARDCORE facts you still hang onto un-truth.

So miracles translation of the quoted words is right - and guess what everyone - every encyclopedia and reference book on the face of planet earth is wrong - well now - at least I now have had it confirmed, that I had better go to another forum quick, since these religious forums are a bit like flogging a DEAD horse.

Maybe I will go to the reptilian forum now - I now actually think i'll have a more intelligent conversation there!

Go for it, the reptile forum is full of stark raving lunatics in there who are talking about us being a flesh farm which aliens are coming to dine out on soon. And you folk say religion is about fear.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[philidor]

The Devil isn't real except from within ourselves. What is the Devil symbolic of? That which is outside of the faith. The only reason why witchcraft is a sin is because whomever made it a sin was afraid some clairvoyant would psychically discover his corruption (maybe he had a male harem, also why he made homosexuality a "sin", to keep all the gay's for himself), hence whatever king at the time made it a sin. Idolotry is only a sin because at the time when it was made into a sin government and religion were intertwined, thus to worship Moloch or whatever God was also a sign of treason. Molochs only a "Demon" because of some ancient religious pissing contest. Sumer, Babylon, Greece, and Egypt had far better, intelligent, and more advanced cultures than the Israeli backwater. Sumerian and Babylonian temples were quite beautiful, as Greek scultures are. As was Roman technological ingenuity, which was actually one of the best things to happen to Israel since Assyrians taught the Jews how to read during the exile.

[fallensoul]

I know - I'm great too - we all are, since we are all made of the same stuff/source.

I guess the trouble with the religious mind, is that it has been fed a whole lot of old rubbish about being unworthy for so long, that for one to stand up and say "I love myself" is viewed as being arrogant or blasphemous in some way.

I would say however, that to belittle oneself or put oneself down, either by referring to oneself as being a so called "sinner" or by begging some "god" for forgiveness is the height of ignorance - since it is an attack upon the source/God. To say "I'm not worthy" is to belittle that God/Spirit within - it's almost tantamount to telling "God" that his artwork is shit.

We also turn our backs on our inner spiritual truth when we put ourselves down like this - thereby cutting off awareness of the fact that we are God!

Lol, excellent way to make the same point I was trying to make but much quicker :P Yes how can someone else determine our worthiness except we on our own. How can someone else tell us how to feel about ourselves?

This is the trick, and religion I see it as the greatest prison of mind ever, the guilt, the shame, so many aspects that generate anguish in genuine people who would like to be exactly who they want to be and believe in the things they want without feeling sinful or w/e.

Good post.

[michael christopher]

Go for it, the reptile forum is full of stark raving lunatics in there who are talking about us being a flesh farm which aliens are coming to dine out on soon. And you folk say religion is about fear.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

How can you say we are pushing fear when half of your posts are calling people Satanists or telling them they will burn in hell for all eternity? You don't think people see right through you? You are about a transparent as a glass of water.

[meksar]

The point of religious brainwashing is to make people hate themselves so much that they fear they are unworthy of salvation, and thus they must ask for the outside force to save them. That's why there are so many mixed messages, that's why all religious books are inherently contradictory, and that's why Christians and Muslims (in particular those two) feel as though they must bash and put down everyone who knows the truth about their stolen religions. They think they are already going to hell and they can only get to heaven by winning brownie points with God.

The funny thing is, hell is a self-created state, and they're already living in it. And they love it.

Chrsitians and Muslims can go over the top with their faith but people like yourself intentionally miss out Judaism. You sound like the sort of person who is inspired by the film Religilous. Larry Charles (Zionist) directed Religulous with Bill Maher (defender of Israel & half-Jewish), which attacked Christianity, and Islam, but guess what...left Judaism pretty much unmolested. So much for balance as usal with the media. I myself am not religious but the Zionist/masonic order will continue to kill and infiltrate to destroy those structures and implant their own.

[flereous]

What I know about Lucifer



The Devil embodies pettiness in the ultimate form

The Old Dragon has no empathy

The old liar is an instigator, conspirator and a traitor

The prince of darkness approaches from the rear

Lucifer is a coward

The Devil desires all who follow him to fear him and betrays all except himself

The Devil’s ultimate fear is to be alone

The Devil will pay a penny for your soul but offers everything for its sale

The Devil’s company is empty and quite boring

His followers often feel far away from self-joy

The Devil is envious, selfish, and profane

The Devil preys on your emotions and spoons out your heart

The Devil’s power is waning

The Devil drags his feet and winks his eye

The Devil can never sit still and analyzes you always

The Devil never gives a complement

The Devil pushes people into suicide through aided setups

The Devil toys with your heart and thrives on its break

The Devil is the ultimate retard for his mind never grows and returns to old tricks

The Devil shares as much feeling as a robot gone haywire when killing

Lucifer cheats, is ignoble and has no honor

The Devil shows no quarter and no mercy

The Devil hates the hero




On a Tiny Trail (The Devil)



Everything within Lucifer’s grasp begins on a tiny trail likened to the path of a mighty army ant. Likewise the engineer or the ant who strives for anything; the end result is questionable. For, the path is paved with the sticky steps of one who was there, that being God. Furthermore, the diamond pinnacle which Satan seeks, suggests a desire for the essence of promotion and its mystery ^^*^^; as a tool utilized for self worship. Yet the position which is established and ordained follows the ambiguity of the holder. Additionally, Satan’s witless endeavor for worship must be from inept logic; as compared to the worker who proceeds with deception for gain. Thus, Satan’s mental absurdity and his folly towards the pursuit of an unattainable level or power status can be viewed as an oxymoron. Moreover, trying to acquire the essence of power and praise like God is bizarre; because, he was derived from God. Paradoxically it’s like the clay directing the potter to smooth out an edge! And so even the ant follows the sticky path, so as not to become lost or burned. It would seem fundamentality anyway, that a mere ant has greater faculties than Satan, because it stays the course. Finally, self promotion against proper authority is likened to ignorance or stupidity; and though the self proclaimed mighty ant (i.e. Satan) crawls along the trail into a fire pit will find the weight equal to its mind, this path of eternal chaos occurs when the sticky path is abandoned.

No, thats not true. Lucifer is capable of feeling. He loves, He hurts, He cries, He smiles. Hes not evil like everyone thinks. Hes just misunderstood. You dont know His true intention of things. Hes not a coward, do you think a coward would even dare to face God the way He did? No. And He does give complements. You think you know everything, but you dont know shit about Lucifer.
Oh and by the way. He's not getting weaker.

[michael christopher]

Chrsitians and Muslims can go over the top with their faith but people like yourself intentionally miss out Judaism. You sound like the sort of person who is inspired by the film Religilous. Larry Charles (Zionist) directed Religulous with Bill Maher (defender of Israel & half-Jewish), which attacked Christianity, and Islam, but guess what...left Judaism pretty much unmolested. So much for balance as usal with the media. I myself am not religious but the Zionist/masonic order will continue to kill and infiltrate to destroy those structures and implant their own.

The reason I left out traditional Judaism is because there isn't a prevalent belief in hell. Nice assumption though. Maybe I am a Zionist propagandist. ;)

[dredelirium]

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled
was convincing the world he didn't exist."

[michael christopher]

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled
was convincing the world he didn't exist."

Well that quote is definitely good evidence for the existence of the devil. ;)

[miracles]

How can you say we are pushing fear when half of your posts are calling people Satanists or telling them they will burn in hell for all eternity? You don't think people see right through you? You are about a transparent as a glass of water.

Excellent, Bruce Lee would be proud of me then. :D

[michael christopher]

Excellent, Bruce Lee would be proud of me then. :D

Bruce Lee was a Buddhist, he would probably not be a big miracles fan.

[miracles]

Bruce Lee was a Buddhist, he would probably not be a big miracles fan.

No one is.

[michael christopher]

No one is.

Yeah, most people aren't big on being condemned and damned to hell.

[fff_666]

No one is.

in all honesty, its a forum, you speak your mind, I speak mine, you stand by your views and I stand by mine as well, I don't know you, and even if
I did I wouldn't hate you. sure you're preachy and such but I admire a person who stands by their convictions. you can't fault a guy for trying and I don't.

I think alot of people get easily offended by the " condemnation" and "hell fire" but I mean honestly, and I say this as a person who doesn't believe in the christian dogma, if we all lived lives like Jesus did (assuming he existed for a minute here) and all turned the other cheek and sought only to help others, gave up on selfishness and materialism and focused on bettering each other, i think the world would be a much better place. I mean think about it for a second, if somone hurt you, but you hurt them back, then where does it end? " an eye for an eye leaves us all blind" and I think it's true, by our very nature we make mistakes, and when a child makes a mistake we dont hold it against him, we attempt at showing him where he ( or she ) went wrong and hopefully learns from it. but as adults, if someone cuts us off in traffic we get furious, or if your neighbour hurts you, you plot ways to get back at him. it solves nothing. arrogance and being overly prideful wont advance the human race. humility and patience, ahh now those are virtues to live on.
be the change you wish to see in others.