Did Jesus Really Existed?

[drturi]

8/19/2009

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DID JESUS REALLY EXISTED? YES AND NO!

Only yesterday I wrote… *Then you realize that life goes by a bit too fast and you still have not reach something as simple as love with billions of other walking near you. Don’t you think something is wrong or missing? Indeed without love or your health you may as well quit breathing because there is nothing more terrible than to be lonely or sick. Anyone can get by without fame and fortune or a great career I guess but take away my health or Terania and I would be a really sad person… And there are millions reading me right now on this big world and those souls are missing something or victimized by a higher nefarious power that stops them to experience emotional, financial or spiritual happiness. These people are robots, used to live a non existent life because they did not try anything else or believe that Allah, Buddha or Jesus will save them one day…How more deceived can they be because rest assured Jesus has no business walking this messy, dangerous, unhealthy, unsafe place anymore and he won’t be back just for you…

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But when Jesus said to his disciples… “Go to the town and find the man with the WATER PITCHER, the sign of Aquarius to follow the sign of Pisces”…

Why would Jesus speak astrological terms? Do they teach this at any Churches or Christians Science Centers or do they still try to keep God face and his son Jesus true message hidden? Do they also forget to teach you that the Popes were taught Astrology by the Vatican council?

Did they teach this on Sunday school?

Incredibly 44% of the US population believe Jesus will be back to save humankind and the rest of the world will affirm that Allah or Buddha or God knows what deity will also be back and ALL, including Christians will fight to the death *like they did for centuries to prove THEMSELVES they are right. As predicted since 1995 on Art Bell and George Noory Cost To Coast show millions of people witnesses my heed pertaining to the end of the Age of Pisces *religions/deception/illusion/abuse and the birthing of the Age of Aquarius *freedom/education/UFO. Art Bell classified this phenomenon then as *the Quickening and as imposed by God himself through the Cosmic Code jurisdiction with the fast approaching year 2012 my forecasting, as usual seems to be undoubtedly going in that direction. Check Art Bell’s chocking response to my prediction back in 1995, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zGIqWjnau8&feature=channel_page

Now do I really believe that Jesus never existed? Yes and No! Yes because during these days there must have been another spiritually advanced Dr. Turi interested in the stars doing the same work that I am doing today *without the internet lol. The same way the oldest profession in the world *prostitution or baking bread has been performed since forever I may add. Thus knowing that God blessed some humans with an advanced UCI wizards, astrologers, psychics, healers these people were also walking the Middle East dunes. Meantime less perceptive souls were following those more astute than themselves towards one these birthing religions that would with time become one of the longest deadliest battles endured by humankind.

No because Jesus was manufactured by some of the smartest manipulative Capricorn souls of these days realizing that the dirty, smelly ignorant peasants making up the majority of these sparse villages could be easily manipulated to follow and serve their own selfish purpose. Its not like if any form of education was available during these days or jobs were available anywhere, thus why not using these poor innocent frightened souls and start building their empire *politics and strengths through religions? But even nowadays people are still born with an inferior UCI and the serious incrusted religious fears imposed during childhood is serving its purpose and denote why some people will never be able to get off the religious pit.

Meantime if Jesus ever existed I can assure you that the message through his ministry was nothing like your local priest or minister professes to be. The present heavy biblical junk found in any religious manuscripts took thousands of years to produce and at the pace of changes experienced nowadays this book and information could double its size soon. It’s all laughable really especially if you take the example of any government worker wasting out tax dollars by imposing new city rules to appear at work to the eye of society. But the reality is the regular soul cannot exit the codification of thoughts and takes the texts as they are or what he/she was told they were. Many people’s UCI do not endorse critical thinking especially those born with a heavy Capricorn, Mel Gibson? In reality anyone born with a very heavy Neptune *deception/illogical/pious energy in their chart will sign up for any religion and wont be able to use judicious thinking.

Meantime as real as the stars are and as the very first words of the bible refer to them there is undoubtedly a solid spiritual verity about God’s universal language and if at all Jesus as the only son of God teaching anything remotely divine it has to be about the Cosmic Code.

“go to the town and find the man with the WATER PITCHER, the sign of Aquarius to follow the sign of Pisces”…

I was born February 26th *Aquarius constellation Sun in *Pisces I am dedicated to bring back God’s true face and his celestial tools to humankind.


THE END OF THE AGE OF PISCES HAS STARTED!

No one can change God’s order for Unification, tolerance and education

“At one point, Afghanistan was a Buddhist country. “In many caves, 2,000 monks used to meditate.” The Taliban, however, demolished the statues in early 2001 because they deemed them graven images offensive to Islam. Afghanistan’s earlier religious tolerance was due in part to geography. It was at the intersection of the ancient world’s great civilizations, says Paul Fitzgerald, co-author of “Invisible History.”

While life is a constant process of changes, one day all the people on this earth will recognize a single God in a single Universal Cosmic religion where true love respect and peace will be achieved following the universal rules and the signs… Meantime slowly but surely the Middle East is undergoing its own changes and all those abusive, archaic, religious fanatic governments will become instinct. The Age of Pisces *religions, ignorance, abuses, manipulation, imagination will no end without a serious fight and as I am fulfilling my mission to free humankind from fears and ignorance, I am also slowly being recognized as one of the top, real, caring, concerned *new spiritual Universal Leader / teacher in these incredible present times. God gave me the solid gift, the real task and granted me with a steady progress where the schooling has started via the Internet worldwide. Yes people from Israel, Europe, India, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Russia, Antarctica and all over this big planet are reading are writing, reading and l;earning from my work.

Please get to know the real me, investigate my work and do not assume anything, simply watch me in my upcoming live Internet show www.paranormaltvnetwork.com/ (http://www.paranormaltvnetwork.com/) and most of all remember if you are a religious person to heed Jesus very words… “go to the town and find the man with the WATER PITCHER, the sign of Aquarius to follow the sign of Pisces”…

Blessings to all

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[stfd]

Yes he did/does exist.

[kidsarocker]

If you mean a the man named Jesus - No but a man named Yeshua then yes

[nicolaj]

if it fits their agenda they do

[killuminati18]

Could exist and could not. People only remember stupid things about Jesus: resurrection, the last dinner...and shit...

Thats not the important part of Jesus! The important part is the message he left...and apparently nobody cares about. It doesnt mind if Jesus existed or not, but somebody or some guys wrote that important message, so its real.

[nicolaj]

The writer C.S. Lewis said about those who are willing to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher but not His claim to be God, “A man who is merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the devil of hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman, or something worse”.

very true.

[mr sunny]

Issa Kashmiri is Jesus, he was a man not God and he died in Kashmir at the age of 120 years old, and his disciple Ababad was instructed to place his belongings within a tomb in Srinigar before he ascended.

Being a Kashmiri its like a tale we've grown up on but its best to keep an open view. The amount of christians who believe it to be ridicule is amazing, although theres very strong eveidence of Issa travelling after the crucifiction through Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and into India and a major possibility of studying in China.

The message he taught is whats more important.

[clachan]

It really does not matter who wrote what 2000 years ago,whatever was written was by people we have no real proof ever existed.

So the 4 gospels are as valid as anything else written by men,in fact these 4 books provide very good circumstancial evidense,though no solid proof.

For me the story of Christ rings true,I have a deep heart felt,intuative belief.
Infact I would describe it as knowing,but i dont expect anyone else to take my word for it....its my truth.

Its true to say he is my best friend,and it isn,t because i want him to do anything for me,its unconditional love.

[amethyst]

Issa Kashmiri is Jesus, he was a man not God and he died in Kashmir at the age of 120 years old, and his disciple Ababad was instructed to place his belongings within a tomb in Srinigar before he ascended.

Being a Kashmiri its like a tale we've grown up on but its best to keep an open view. The amount of christians who believe it to be ridicule is amazing, although theres very strong eveidence of Issa travelling after the crucifiction through Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and into India and a major possibility of studying in China.

The message he taught is whats more important.

There could have been visiting Kashmirians visiting Jerusalem or Israel at the time Jesus walked the earth and heard him speak. Jerusalem was apparently a trade route in the ancient world. Perhaps they took his message back with them to Kashmir.

[trev1]

So the 4 gospels are as valid as anything else written by men,in fact these 4 books provide very good circumstancial evidense,though no solid proof.

Absolutely not true because none of the gospels were first hand accounts.

There is very little evidence that he existed and NO evidence that he
was the son of God. Infact there is no evidence of a God. Its a fairytale if you ask me.
I personally believe that the Gods in the bible (referred to as lights in the sky, etc)
were ET races , i.e. what we now see as UFOs. The primitive people back then would
have worshipped them of course. Look up the term 'Annuaki' or Nephilm' in the bible...

I dont get the whole Christianity thing - people say about a message but it
didnt stop mass murder (Crusades) in the name of Jesus and the Catholic
clergy abusing / toturing kids in irish institutions in the 40s/50s/60s/ ...
but maybe if 'Thou shall not abuse/torture' kids was a ten commandment it
might have deterred them.... (ok im being cynical!)

I cannot understand why its socially acceptable to believe in Jesus but if
you believe we have been visited by an ET race you are nuts. Tell me the
difference I cant see it ! Well there is a difference IMO - one is logical - unlike
such made up stories as the virgin birth / resurrection, etc.

[nicolaj]

Absolutely not true because none of the gospels were first hand accounts.

There is very little evidence that he existed and NO evidence that he
was the son of god. Its a fairytale if you ask me.

I dont get the whole Christianity thing - people say about a message but it
didnt stop mass murder (Crusades) in the name of Jesus and the Catholic
clergy abusing / toturing kids in irish institutions in the 40s/50s/60s/ ...
but maybe if 'Thou shall not abuse/torture' kids was a ten commandment it
might have deterred them.... (ok im being cynical!)

I cannot understand why its scoially acceptable to believe in Jesus but if
you believe we have been visited by an ET race you are nuts. Tell me the
difference I cant see it !

they can use the name of Jesus but Jesus didn't tell them to do it..the church is the body of Christ meaning each Christian..the church isn't a building ..each one of those sick twisted abusers will have God to answer to same as every other Christian will have to. Quite a lot of the Churches (buildings) denominations..are corrupt thats very true then need exposing for what they are..cess pits and they will be.
I believe in Jesus and I also know we are visited by aliens/demonic forces that are conning the whole human race.

[trev1]

they can use the name of Jesus but Jesus didn't tell them to do it..the church is the body of Christ meaning each Christian..the church isn't a building ..each one of those sick twisted abusers will have God to answer to same as every other Christian will have to. Quite a lot of the Churches (buildings) denominations..are corrupt thats very true then need exposing for what they are..cess pits and they will be.
I believe in Jesus and I also know we are visited by aliens/demonic forces that are conning the whole human race.

I see your point but at the end of the day you have to admit that
people use religion to justify this kind of thing. SUrely you can see
why this angers me. Im from Ireland and know people who were abused
by them.

The very philosophy of Nuns is not to question the 'Mother Superior'
because she is getting her message from God' - thats why a lot of
the other Nuns back then turned a blind eye - becuase it is part of
being a nun not to have an opinion and question the Mother Superior.

Please please check out the book 'Annies Girl' by Maureen Hart.
If you read this book - a true story of an orphan that was put in
one of these institutions, you will see how religion at the end of the
day when all is said and done brainwashes people......

[swethirte]

According to the Oera Linda Book, Jesus, Krishna and Buddha were the same person, who was born in Kashmir in 594 BC. He was a great teacher, but after his death his teachings were distorted.
http://frya.angelfire.com/4frethorik.htm#_Chapter_V:_Hail

[nicolaj]

I see your point but at the end of the day you have to admit that
people use religion to justify this kind of thing. SUrely you can see
why this angers me. Im from Ireland and know people who were abused
by them.

The very philosophy of Nuns is not to question the 'Mother Superior'
because she is getting her message from God' - thats why a lot of
the other Nuns back then turned a blind eye - becuase it is part of
being a nun not to have an opinion and question the Mother Superior.

Please please check out the book 'Annies Girl' by Maureen Hart.
If you read this book - a true story of an orphan that was put in
one of these institutions, you will see how religion at the end of the
day when all is said and done brainwashes people......

I cant agree enough ..I have friends who have been abused physically and sexually by these beasts both of Irish parents though live in england.

The scars the mental damage they have caused them is terrible. This priest has now been brought to justice..if you can call it that..with our system! The nuns who physically abused my girlfriend didn't.
They are playing God, these perverts dont believe in God..imo they dont believe they will have to pay real justice one day. I believe these kind intentionally become nuns, priests because they think they are safe..well maybe in the old days..it was covered up..today it still goes on but we get to hear about a little bit more.
I don't follow the catholic faith and find it very strange that they would believe they should never marry, not only the catholic faith does this but CofE. Though they call themselves monks.
From how I understand the Bible I have never read this is a commandent from God. What they follow imo is man made religion and not Gods instruction manual to us.

I don't belong to a Chruch I am non denominational, for the simple reason I've found every church I have attended so far (I just go to listen to them)..They believe there own words and not Gods.
eg..I have no problem with Gay people..its their own business. I dont like it but I dont dislike the person because of it.

But where in the bible does God mention homosexual teachers to teach his flock is Ok. We all know what God says about homosexuality, so imo its pretty straight foreward to imagine that God would have an issue with gay biblical teachers.
It is man that is ok with it..so the church twists God word by saying but God loves all humans, God is Ok with it because God is an all loving God and he forgives etc etc..yes he does forgive but you have to come to repentance for you sin and mean what you say..and stop the sin your commiting or at least have intention of stopping and mean it..He is God people cant pull the wool over his eyes, he knows who mean repentance and who doesn't.

IMO it isn't Gods words that have caused the problems, like wars, abuse, murders, but mans interpretation of them.

sorry for the rant..:D

I will get the book I'm sure I've seen that in Asda..I know they sell alot of these kind of books..I brought quite a few not so long back.

[mr sunny]

According to the Oera Linda Book, Jesus, Krishna and Buddha were the same person, who was born in Kashmir in 594 BC. He was a great teacher, but after his death his teachings were distorted.
http://frya.angelfire.com/4frethorik.htm#_Chapter_V:_Hail

Issa studied in Egypt, India, Tibet, and china whilst young from the ages of 14 to 29 and after the crucifiction aged around 33 he went east. He fled India during his study as the Brahmans felt insecure as he spoke and taught their knowledge to all people and discarded the caste system, which is still prevailant in India today. He learned advance healing, meditations and knowledge during these years.

In Afghanistan Yub the baptist, who is John the baptist is known to have lived there and encountered Issa as a young man on his way to the south east.

Its been noted that the heavy jewish influence in northern India where Kashmiri and Punjabi people are descendants from the Ben E Israel, which is the tribe of Benjamin.

Kashmir has many jewish names as well.

Issa was approached by a king after his crucifiction and through this meeting he allowed the teachings to be passed to the people. These are the last gospels of Issa. Whats interesting is that the Oera Linda book states he is from noble bloodline as his mother was the daughter of a king and his father a high priest.

[clachan]

Absolutely not true because none of the gospels were first hand accounts.

There is very little evidence that he existed and NO evidence that he
was the son of God. Infact there is no evidence of a God. Its a fairytale if you ask me.
I personally believe that the Gods in the bible (referred to as lights in the sky, etc)
were ET races , i.e. what we now see as UFOs. The primitive people back then would
have worshipped them of course. Look up the term 'Annuaki' or Nephilm' in the bible...

I dont get the whole Christianity thing - people say about a message but it
didnt stop mass murder (Crusades) in the name of Jesus and the Catholic
clergy abusing / toturing kids in irish institutions in the 40s/50s/60s/ ...
but maybe if 'Thou shall not abuse/torture' kids was a ten commandment it
might have deterred them.... (ok im being cynical!)

I cannot understand why its socially acceptable to believe in Jesus but if
you believe we have been visited by an ET race you are nuts. Tell me the
difference I cant see it ! Well there is a difference IMO - one is logical - unlike
such made up stories as the virgin birth / resurrection, etc.

A lot of ancient historical documents aren,t first hand accounts,we are told what is fact by the historians who gleened their info from other historians.

For example DI says the dicovery of the US by Christopher Columbus is a lie....maybe,I only "know" what they told me at school.

I lived in Ireland too,Co Clare[up the banner] and never met one catholic priest who was not an atheist !!! I know because I asked them myself.
So Jesus is far removed from their sins.

I too am sure ET,s are here and have been for thousands of years,it is ominous that UFO encounters has risen sharply in the last few years. My own veiw is that disclosure is close.

Apocalypse translated means disclosure.............APOCALYPSE NOW !!

[trev1]

But where in the bible does God mention homosexual teachers to teach his flock is Ok. We all know what God says about homosexuality, so imo its pretty straight foreward to imagine that God would have an issue with gay biblical teachers.
It is man that is ok with it..so the church twists God word by saying but God loves all humans, God is Ok with it because God is an all loving God and he forgives etc etc..yes he does forgive but you have to come to repentance for you sin and mean what you say..and stop the sin your commiting or at least have intention of stopping and mean it..He is God people cant pull the wool over his eyes, he knows who mean repentance and who doesn't.

I agree more or less with your other paragraphs but not this one - NO WAY
Gay people are 'born gay' in my opinion. Yes there using their sexual
organs for the purpose not intended by nature but if people are born that
way they cant help it. Its my personal view that its like a sickness
which makes them gay but there is as good a chance of a homosexual
person being good than a hetrosexual person. Of course they dont need
to repent for what? its ridiculuos and danagerous to say that - i.e. not
healthy ,... think about what your saying..... all this thing about sin is a
load of baloney. I dont want anything to do with a god that you describe
- so yes he can burn me in hell when I die if he exists. Im a good person
but just becuase i dont lick his arse he gonna send me to hell :confused:
But thankfully I believe he does not exist - at least as a man in the sky with
a grey beard that is always watching us- If
gods do exist then they are ETs and probaly give as much a shit about us
as we do about sheep or cattle..

I urge you to think about the whole thing LOGICALLY.....

[tannah]

they can use the name of Jesus but Jesus didn't tell them to do it...

Yeah he must be pissed that they took away the thrill from him. Nice sadist Jesus does the killing round here dudes, didn't you know?

Sick.

Your Christ and mine really don't match.

[tannah]

I dont get the whole Christianity thing - people say about a message but it
didnt stop mass murder (Crusades) in the name of Jesus and the Catholic
clergy abusing / toturing kids in irish institutions in the 40s/50s/60s/ ...
but maybe if 'Thou shall not abuse/torture' kids was a ten commandment it
might have deterred them.... (ok im being cynical!)



Well, there must have been logic to what led people to slaughter witches and unbelievers. Something like - bible says witches cannot be tolerated, Jesus was God, so OT God is Jesus, Pope is God's representative, so if he says burn the witches or go kill in a holy war, it must be a direct order from Jesus/God.

Like I said, SICK.

Advertizing a bloodbath is about all some around here are good for.

And to abuse a child is to abuse innocence and heaven itself.

[killuminati18]

People dont difference between Jesus`s message and what then people does.

I mean, yeah you can be Jesus, Santa Claus or Bugs Bunny come and say some true words: "Hey wackos, why dont u stop killing between yourselfs u fukin nutheads, things would be better if this shit stopped".

But then people does what they want, you cant blame Jesus because we humans are that stupid.

[tannah]

People dont difference between Jesus`s message and what then people does.

I mean, yeah you can be Jesus, Santa Claus or Bugs Bunny come and say some true words: "Hey wackos, why dont u stop killing between yourselfs u fukin nutheads, things would be better if this shit stopped".

But then people does what they want, you cant blame Jesus because we humans are that stupid.

Some people do know the power that a symbol has, and that it can squeeze extra blood out of its servant's actions. Icon worship is the standard held up high as the followers slash throats and sing "glory be to our God"

[clachan]

Well, there must have been logic to what led people to slaughter witches and unbelievers. Something like - bible says witches cannot be tolerated, Jesus was God, so OT God is Jesus, Pope is God's representative, so if he says burn the witches or go kill in a holy war, it must be a direct order from Jesus/God.

Like I said, SICK.

Advertizing a bloodbath is about all some around here are good for.

And to abuse a child is to abuse innocence and heaven itself.


That not logic tannah,I credited you with more sense.
The pope is not Gods rep. and you do know that as well as I.

The Catholic church is the whore of Babylon,corrupt to its very core..
You also know the story of the woman convicted of adultery who was to be stoned to death...Jesus turned up and stood before the angry mob,which took a lot of guts,and challenged them.

You also know that Jesus did not condone violence....what are you on about ?

You seem to be implying JC is to be held responsible for all thing evil including child abuse,are you just having a bad day today ?

Jesus said " Whichever one of you corrupts one of these little ones may as well have a mill stone tied about his neck and caste into the sea"

And when his disiples held back a young child from coming forward out of the crowd he said.." suffer the little ones to come to me"

Where is you charity tannah ?

[michael christopher]

drturi had such a rapid degeneration of credibility with me. Between the consistently incorrect predictions of imminent global disaster and his claiming that his predictions were correct, he's a man that's quite hard to take seriously.

I wish I could make a quick buck off of being a bullshit artist, but then I would hate myself.

Yes because during these days there must have been another spiritually advanced Dr. Turi interested in the stars doing the same work that I am doing today

lol

So Dr. Turi, are you the new Jesus?

[tannah]

[QUOTE]That not logic tannah,I credited you with more sense.
The pope is not Gods rep. and you do know that as well as I.


I think you'll find that the pope was very much seen as God's rep at the time, and that when he said "God wills it", people believed it and acted.
You disagree? Have you read some of the Pope's speeches around the time of the crusades?


The Catholic church is the whore of Babylon,corrupt to its very core..
You also know the story of the woman convicted of adultery who was to be stoned to death...Jesus turned up and stood before the angry mob,which took a lot of guts,and challenged them.


I don't think the catholic church is the only "whore" around.


You also know that Jesus did not condone violence....what are you on about ?


I'll give you free private lessons if you are having trouble following simple logic. I know very well that Jesus doesn't condone violence. Which is why I am questioning the foolish belefs that many here and elsewere have, who pretend they are the ones who are real christians, promoting a bloodthirty Jesus to come back and deal with all the sinners.



You seem to be implying JC is to be held responsible for all thing evil including child abuse,are you just having a bad day today ?

No I'm not. I didn't realize you were this dense. I'm saying that the image of Jesus has been corrupted, by many, for their own ambitions. And one of those ambitions is to distort Jesus through the writings in the bible. When I say distort, I don't mean wipe out the teachings. I mean use them to gain power and glory with, through the justification of the bloodshed that then followed.


Jesus said " Whichever one of you corrupts one of these little ones may as well have a mill stone tied about his neck and caste into the sea"

That's right. Shame about the brainwashing they get eh?


And when his disiples held back a young child from coming forward out of the crowd he said.." suffer the little ones to come to me"

Where is you charity tannah ?

My charity for what and whom? I have nothing to prove to you mate about my charity.

Try saying that to the people that believe in hell for sinners, a God that order slaughters, and a man that mistakenly sacrifices a body for sin, when we all know sin occurs in the spirit. Spirit and blood don't relate.

Great tale in the bible. Shame it's just there to stop humans taking on their inner Christ Self.

[clachan]

[QUOTE=clachan;1058288099]


I think you'll find that the pope was very much seen as God's rep at the time, and that when he said "God wills it", people believed it and acted.
You disagree? Have you read some of the Pope's speeches around the time of the crusades?





I don't think the catholic church is the only "whore" around.




I'll give you free private lessons if you are having trouble following simple logic. I know very well that Jesus doesn't condone violence. Which is why I am questioning the foolish belefs that many here and elsewere have, who pretend they are the ones who are real christians, promoting a bloodthirty Jesus to come back and deal with all the sinners.




No I'm not. I didn't realize you were this dense. I'm saying that the image of Jesus has been corrupted, by many, for their own ambitions. And one of those ambitions is to distort Jesus through the writings in the bible. When I say distort, I don't mean wipe out the teachings. I mean use them to gain power and glory with, through the justification of the bloodshed that then followed.



That's right. Shame about the brainwashing they get eh?



My charity for what and whom? I have nothing to prove to you mate about my charity.

Try saying that to the people that believe in hell for sinners, a God that order slaughters, and a man that mistakenly sacrifices a body for sin, when we all know sin occurs in the spirit. Spirit and blood don't relate.

Great tale in the bible. Shame it's just there to stop humans taking on their inner Christ Self.

First off....you have now changed you stance....people can behave badly,whats JC got to do with that ??
If the pope tells you to eat dog shit and you do thats your own fault,nothing to do with God or Christ.
However, in your previous post you said the contrary.

Yes,look closer to home regarding the "whore",you seem to blow whichever way the wind goes.

As for you giving lessons to anyone son you fall far short of the wisdom required to even potty train a baby.
Anyhow,who are you to say what other posters beliefs are foolish ? Especially as most of them exceed you own powers of reason.

Spirit and blood dont relate......this shows your lack of understanding.

[clachan]

Well, there must have been logic to what led people to slaughter witches and unbelievers. Something like - bible says witches cannot be tolerated, Jesus was God, so OT God is Jesus, Pope is God's representative, so if he says burn the witches or go kill in a holy war, it must be a direct order from Jesus/God.

Like I said, SICK.

Advertizing a bloodbath is about all some around here are good for.

And to abuse a child is to abuse innocence and heaven itself.

Can you point out where Jesus says he is God ??

[hadabusa]

who cares and why?

whats the point.


believe or not, but move the fokk on.

[tannah]

First off....you have now changed you stance....people can behave badly,whats JC got to do with that ??
If the pope tells you to eat dog shit and you do thats your own fault,nothing to do with God or Christ.
However, in your previous post you said the contrary.

Yes,look closer to home regarding the "whore",you seem to blow whichever way the wind goes.

As for you giving lessons to anyone son you fall far short of the wisdom required to even potty train a baby.
Anyhow,who are you to say what other posters beliefs are foolish ? Especially as most of them exceed you own powers of reason.

Spirit and blood dont relate......this shows your lack of understanding.

Really? Show me where my stance has changed . Quote the words you think show me changing my stance.

Because, apart form saying a few personal things, you haven't provided any reason whatsoever.

The Pope was set up through the set up of the bible. The bible was interpeted only by a few. Pope says "burn the witch, it's God's will", and people did it. I know it has nothing to do with JC. That's what I have consistently said.

Now we move on a couple of thousand years and where's the difference in these so called true christians? I do not see it. Are you the only true one here then Clachan? Have a word with your fellow christians nicolaj, and uncia , for example, and let's see what their Jesus has in store for humans.
To them Jesus is God, and the God of the OT, which says slaughter here and worship there and banish this and plunder that.

Don't forget to guide me through this supposed change of stance of mine. If you can't, stop creating smokescreens.

And, I think you'll find, we are not the body. Blood doesn't flow through our spirits. And, to cut a long argument short, I wouldn't touch this blind christianity with a bargepole. I was way more tolerant of it a few months ago, because I hadn't talked with the so called christians in any real depth.
It's only as good as its followers. But try to pin the followers down, and there seem to be hardly any true christians around. It's always "they weren't christians". Well duh.

I think the sooner you all book in to get counselling, the better for this world it'll be.

[tannah]

Can you point out where Jesus says he is God ??

Shouldn't you be asking those that say he is God? The logic I gave was from the point of view of those justifying the killings in God's and Jesus's name.
Don't tell me that a priest wasn't around watching a witch burn and saying "in the name of the father/son/holy spirt, and may he have mercy on your soul".
That's what the point was about.

Modern christians are no better. becuase while they say Love Love Love, they also agree to a God that is a blood freak. If anything is a "devil", it's this god, and it's book. No, I think old time Israelites didn't have a ferking clue. And good ol Paul and Constantine eh?

[clachan]

Well, there must have been logic to what led people to slaughter witches and unbelievers. Something like - bible says witches cannot be tolerated, Jesus was God, so OT God is Jesus, Pope is God's representative, so if he says burn the witches or go kill in a holy war, it must be a direct order from Jesus/God.

Like I said, SICK.

Advertizing a bloodbath is about all some around here are good for.

And to abuse a child is to abuse innocence and heaven itself.

Well heres one change of stance,"bible says Jesus was God",and now you have retracted that because you know it does not.
You then go on to say that Jesus is directly responsible for the burning of witches,this is a lie.

You are convicting him on trumped up charges.

Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is God,in fact it tells us quite clearly he was not:

1. "My God,my God,why have you forsaken me?"

2."Do not call any man on earth father,for you have one father who is in heaven"....in other words all men are equal and the guv is God.

3." Our father who is in heaven.........The lords prayer.

4." Father,if isi t possible to take this burden from me,but be it your will not mine"....Jesus praying to God in the garden of Gethsemeni.

Before he died he was spat upon,slapped and ridiculed,and it has never stopped.

[clachan]

On blood:

The body is an extension into the materal plane of the soul,it is the manifestation in this world of the spiritual self.Blood is the physical life force within you,this is why the alledged reptillians drink it,as do so called vampires and satanists.
This is why some human sacrifices require the victim to be in a state of terror,adrenalin is released into the body enhancing the life force/energy.

On astrology:

Some posters here think astrology is hokus-pokus,ofcourse it is a very complex science,who determines what planet has what effect ? Even more so who determines what planet has what effect when in relation to other bodies ?

However it is quite clear that the cosmos has an effect on life on earth.
The obvious examples are the sun and moon which have a huge influence on us and all of the biosphere.
In turn venus and mars push and pull interacting and having an effect.As you move further out to the stars the same is true,we are a part of every celestral body in our galaxy,their gravitation effect influences us here on earth.

The Maya were master astrologers,they even predicted their own down fall,IMO it would be folly to consider 2012 as merely superstition.

[tannah]

Well heres one change of stance,"bible says Jesus was God",and now you have retracted that because you know it does not.
You then go on to say that Jesus is directly responsible for the burning of witches,this is a lie.

Geezx, you are a funny man of obvious lack of comprehension. I was talking about the dipstick's logic back then, not my own opinion. Read it again. I got stuff to do, will be back to laugh at your reply later.:D

[clachan]

[QUOTE=tannah;1058290076]Geezx, you are a funny man of obvious lack of comprehension. I was talking about the dipstick's logic back then, not my own opinion. Read it again. I got stuff to do, will be back to laugh at your reply later.:D[/QUOTE

OK...so what people do because the pope said to do it is exactly what in relation to the existence of Jesus ?

All it proves is that the church is an anti-christ.

[seanx]

clachan wrote:

Well heres one change of stance,"bible says Jesus was God",and now you have retracted that because you know it does not.
You then go on to say that Jesus is directly responsible for the burning of witches,this is a lie.

You are convicting him on trumped up charges.

Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is God,in fact it tells us quite clearly he was not:

1. "My God,my God,why have you forsaken me?"

2."Do not call any man on earth father,for you have one father who is in heaven"....in other words all men are equal and the guv is God.

3." Our father who is in heaven.........The lords prayer.

4." Father,if isi t possible to take this burden from me,but be it your will not mine"....Jesus praying to God in the garden of Gethsemeni.

Before he died he was spat upon,slapped and ridiculed,and it has never stopped.

So we can now take it from that that God is not an Iinfinite, Omnipotent, Omnipresent Presence.

it is now in somethings but not in others.

As your religion says God is all there is - how in God's name can
HE NOT be Jesus?

It is an impossibility.

Or else your 'God' is a fraud , a very limited being who is in somethings
but not in others.

I swear you guys maked this nonsense up as you go along

[clachan]

clachan wrote:



So we can now take it from that that God is not an Iinfinite, Omnipotent, Omnipresent Presence.

it is now in somethings but not in others.

As your religion says God is all there is - how in God's name can
HE NOT be Jesus?

It is an impossibility.

Or else your 'God' is a fraud , a very limited being who is in somethings
but not in others.

I swear you guys maked this nonsense up as you go along

You,re understanding of God and my understanding of God are poles apart,I never said God was not present in Jesus did I ?

Seanx,Im not getting involved with you anymore,you love war and I do not wish to dance to your tune.

However I do genuinly wish you well brother and hope you find happiness,Im sure you will.

Kind regards

Lee

[seanx]

You,re understanding of God and my understanding of God are poles apart,I never said God was not present in Jesus did I ?

Seanx,Im not getting involved with you anymore,you love war and I do not wish to dance to your tune.

However I do genuinly wish you well brother and hope you find happiness,Im sure you will.

Kind regards

In other words, my friend we caught you out again bullshitting us!

But you're right: This debating on the nature of God with Christains
is pointless.

We guys can't complete with your 'bible'!

[erthiz]

This threads a bit fiesty :) so il be careful what i say.

I believe that 'god' didnt create the earth as the bible says, if anyone has read the latest David Icke book, you wouldve read his opinion on religions like christianity/jewism and the reptilians. He makes some very good points. He also stresses that its not god, but gods, plural. I recommend it, its a good read.

Personally, i find it difficult to believe a lot of what the bible says, but this is just my opinion, and i respect others who do believe in christianity, or other religions for that matter :)

[clachan]

This threads a bit fiesty :) so il be careful what i say.

I believe that 'god' didnt create the earth as the bible says, if anyone has read the latest David Icke book, you wouldve read his opinion on religions like christianity/jewism and the reptilians. He makes some very good points. He also stresses that its not god, but gods, plural. I recommend it, its a good read.

Personally, i find it difficult to believe a lot of what the bible says, but this is just my opinion, and i respect others who do believe in christianity, or other religions for that matter :)

Ive read most of Di,s books and I,ll certainly read this latest one with an open mind.

My mind is like a parachute....only works when its open.

cheers erthiz.

[erthiz]

haha like a parachute.

its really good yeah, youll enjoy it.