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lumukanda
16-08-2007, 08:07 AM
Venezuela head outlines changes

President Hugo Chavez has announced plans to change Venezuela's constitution to allow him to stand for office indefinitely.
Current rules limiting presidential terms mean Mr Chavez would have to step down when his term ends in 2012.

His plans would also increase presidential control over Venezuela's municipalities and states.

Mr Chavez has rejected criticism of the proposals, saying they would bring "new horizons for the new era".

Some of the main changes include:


Removing term limits for the presidency, and extend the term of office from six years to seven

Bringing in a maximum six-hour working day

Increasing presidential control over the central bank

Strengthening state economic powers, allowing the government to control assets of private companies before a court grants an expropriation order.
The president set out his plans in a speech to the National Assembly, which is expected to approve them within several months.

The plan would then be put to a national referendum.

President Chavez told the assembly his proposals only affected 10% of the constitution.

'Great battle'

Thousands of government supporters converged on Venezuela's National Assembly, carrying banners reading "Yes to the reform, on the path to 21st Century Socialism".

Inside, Hugo Chavez began by paying tribute to Simon Bolivar - the man who fought for Venezuela's independence 200 years ago.

He said Bolivar was the inspiration for his political dream.

Mr Chavez has promised structural changes to get rid of corruption - something he described as a cancer, says the BBC's James Ingham in Caracas.

He said now was the era of "people power" and not the power of the oligarchy - a word he uses to describe past governments.

In a television interview prior to his address, the president said that he believed the "immense majority" of the people would back his plan, but predicted a "great battle" with the opposition.

"The Venezuelan opposition, without exception, is ... aligned with the interests of the empire," he said, referring to the United States.

Since being re-elected last year, the Venezuelan leader has stepped up a programme of nationalisation of sectors including energy and telecommunications.

He pushed through a new constitution in 1999, shortly after he was first elected. Under it presidents are limited to serving two successive six year terms.

He says the charter must be redrafted in order to steer Venezuela away from capitalism and build a socialist state.

His opponents fear that Mr Chavez is seeking to become a lifelong leader and could abuse his power.

But, in his speech to the National Assembly, the president said: "We know it is not like that. I doubt there is any country on this planet with a democracy more alive than the one we enjoy in Venezuela today."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6948872.stm

a lot of what chavez says sounds pretty good, but why is it always one of the first things these guys do is to extend the amount of time they can rule for? and whats with the increased presidential influence in the central bank? and local government?
i loved when he said bush was the devil, but watch this space, all is not well in venezuala...

freedomnonfighter
16-08-2007, 08:53 AM
I've talked to one family who moved here from Venezuela quite recently... they hate Chavez and what he is doing to the country.

i loved when he said bush was the devil
I thought the same, too, when he called Bush the devil at the UN.
But..
Chavez is just another puppet doing his duty, nothing more.

Mr Chavez has rejected criticism of the proposals, saying they would bring "new horizons for the new era".
THE New Era, eh? Thank you, Chavez

umbrex
16-08-2007, 09:19 AM
a lot of what chavez says sounds pretty good, but why is it always one of the first things these guys do is to extend the amount of time they can rule for? and whats with the increased presidential influence in the central bank? and local government?
i loved when he said bush was the devil, but watch this space, all is not well in venezuala...

i like Chavez.. i don't mind. he's doing good for his people, and i believe he has good intentions.

lumukanda
16-08-2007, 09:27 AM
i just wonder why he's trying to get the constitution changed so he can serve longer, it's suspicious imo. it's not like we haven't seen this kind of behaviour before. but i hope i am proven wrong.

umbrex
16-08-2007, 09:32 AM
i just wonder why he's trying to get the constitution changed so he can serve longer, it's suspicious imo. it's not like we haven't seen this kind of behaviour before. but i hope i am proven wrong.

yeah, i know it smells.

but also, as i see it Hugo Chavez is one of the few persons who actually seem not to be corrupt and i think he realizes if he does not continue to remain in office, corruption etc will take over. See how CIA and the US are trying hard to label him as a leftwing communist who's policies might spread to the US and of a sudden we have a communist-socialist USA.

I think if chavez left office, CIA would have a stooge ready to take over.

I don't see anything wrong with him taking more control of the central bank, after all - that's what we're trying to promote as well.

h1s_l0rdsh1p
16-08-2007, 10:11 AM
Before you guys start critisizing Chavez, you need to see a documentry called:

The Revolution will not be Televised

The man has my respect.

lumukanda
16-08-2007, 11:12 AM
Before you guys start critisizing Chavez, you need to see a documentry called:

The Revolution will not be Televised

The man has my respect.
i'll do that.

peter19
16-08-2007, 11:15 AM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7619

yeah its a very good watch.

h1s_l0rdsh1p
16-08-2007, 11:54 AM
exactly, so I'm not going to believe a fuckin' think BBC or CNN say about him or the country.

umbrex
16-08-2007, 06:08 PM
Before you guys start critisizing Chavez, you need to see a documentry called:

The Revolution will not be Televised

The man has my respect.

exactly, so I'm not going to believe a fuckin' think BBC or CNN say about him or the country.

precisely.

i saw another vid on CNN where michael moore blasts some CNN reporter and afterwards, when the camera switches to another host, the new host say; "Well, he's an even more left wing promoter then chavez"

another class example of the bias media's attempt to paint a picture of a socialist who wants to destroy the us.

Actually, the central bank control is rather good. Chaves plans an IMF like instituation for south america, with venezuelas massive oil revenues to back it up.

Increased control with the central bank is crucial for this. so all in all, no reason to be alarmed as far as i see it. i think the world needs a guy like him. and when it comes down to it, he has made major positive changes for the people.
Like Putin he kicked out the foreign oil companies.
He's actually a fun guy researching ;)

whitenight639
16-08-2007, 09:09 PM
i just wonder why he's trying to get the constitution changed so he can serve longer, it's suspicious imo. it's not like we haven't seen this kind of behaviour before. but i hope i am proven wrong.

chevez is a top bloke and i think he knows about the nwo, he stopped trading oil in dollars and switched to euros. He must want to extend the length in office to stop other nwo destroying whats hes created before its on its feet, at least they get a referendum!! and as for control over the countries banks, he needs to stop companies bleeding there oil rich country dry to the likes of the us, and to do that you do need controll of the banks, we'll see what happens anyway.
As for nationalising the energy and telecoms thats a great idea! every country that has a democracy should have utilities owned by the people/ government, Look at the UK for example the utility companies can charge what they like centrica (british gas) recorded record profits not so long ago, if everything were nationalised the marginal profits would be re-invested in the infastructure and we'd all have faster broadband!! and alternatives to petroleum gas!

lumukanda
16-08-2007, 09:13 PM
i hear what you guys are saying, but if say thabo mbeki wanted to change the constitution to stay in power in longer, he'd be called a fascist, but chavez is trying it and he must have a good reason, i'm just playing devil's advocate here, this kind of action is often followed by a dictatorship, not saying this one will, but we have seen it happen before, time will tell i'm sure, i for one am fucking happy to see a country stand up for itself, maybe i'm just a cynical cunt, but it's almost too good to be true.