The abortion called Christianity

[fallensoul]

If you are of Christian faith I suggest you stop reading here, because I will either destroy your naive beliefs or make you seriously question your faith.



Here we go.

To be a Christian is to confess your undying love to a mass murdering, sadistic, jealous, hypocritical etc. god.

Your good and "loving" God,

- Says he created everything and everyone, yet when people don't like him he condemns them to eternal damnation, great guy.

- Sacrificed his only son, very loving indeed.

- Is a mass murderer of many, and all the proof is found in your "holy" book: (Special note if you justify this with justice, if god creates and sees n knows all why then create something and punish it, for the sake of it? Give me a break, someone really omnipotent and all that, if he indeed did it on purpose he would be a sick sadist)

Exodus 10, verse 27, "But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go." Then in verse 29; we read "And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of the Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle"

(Deut. 28, verse 16) God is made to say: "But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth."

(1 Samuel 6, verse 19) "And He smote the men of Bethsemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with great slaughter."

Hey I am already falling in love with this guy.. not.

- Created laws which apparently he is too good to follow himself, hypocrite to the bone.

- Forbids worship of anything else, jealous as hell

- What kind of father creates children then knowingly (since he knows everything) can send them to eternal torment? Damn I wish my dad was like that.. haha

- What kind of father can kill his own children for disobedience, or even if they are most devoted to him (Jesus) make them die a horrible painful death, seems like this guy will make you suffer either way

- Satan is allegedly the villain in the bible, yet there is no mention of Satan going on killing sprees or anything, counting by the body count and atrocities committed in bible, Satan seems alot nicer guy to me, he merely tempts and accuses, thus leaving the "victims" with a choice, whereas the dictator Jehovah gives no choice to most but makes them suffer.

- So is it lunacy or sheer stupidity that you profess your love to this sadistic, mass murdering, hypocritical, and wrathful god? I mean I wouldn't love a guy like that I don't care if he was god almighty he is still evil to the bone. Actions define a character, not their promises and words.

- Also do you honestly see it as the greatest bliss and reward of your blind following to get into heaven and SERVE your twisted lord for all eternity? Wow, count me out, I rather go somewhere else.

If you were offended, do not blame me, I did not create your bible, I did not create your religion, I just made an interpretation of it.

Also I would suggest any of you to study the history and the crusades. If those deeds were indeed committed in the name of god then well.. I will not say no more.

I am agnostic, so do not try to say I worship Satan or some shit, I don't care of either, I just care about REASON, JUSTICE, FREEDOM AND TRUTH

Have a good day sheep n wolves ;)

[stfd]

If you are of Christian faith I suggest you stop reading here, because I will either destroy your naive beliefs or make you seriously question your faith.



Here we go.

To be a Christian is to confess your undying love to a mass murdering, sadistic, jealous, hypocritical etc. god.

Your good and "loving" God,

- Says he created everything and everyone, yet when people don't like him he condemns them to eternal damnation, great guy.

- Sacrificed his only son, very loving indeed.

- Is a mass murderer of many, and all the proof is found in your "holy" book: (Special note if you justify this with justice, if god creates and sees n knows all why then create something and punish it, for the sake of it? Give me a break, someone really omnipotent and all that, if he indeed did it on purpose he would be a sick sadist)

Exodus 10, verse 27, "But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go." Then in verse 29; we read "And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of the Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle"

(Deut. 28, verse 16) God is made to say: "But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth."

(1 Samuel 6, verse 19) "And He smote the men of Bethsemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with great slaughter."

Hey I am already falling in love with this guy.. not.

- Created laws which apparently he is too good to follow himself, hypocrite to the bone.

- Forbids worship of anything else, jealous as hell

- What kind of father creates children then knowingly (since he knows everything) can send them to eternal torment? Damn I wish my dad was like that.. haha

- What kind of father can kill his own children for disobedience, or even if they are most devoted to him (Jesus) make them die a horrible painful death, seems like this guy will make you suffer either way

- Satan is allegedly the villain in the bible, yet there is no mention of Satan going on killing sprees or anything, counting by the body count and atrocities committed in bible, Satan seems alot nicer guy to me, he merely tempts and accuses, thus leaving the "victims" with a choice, whereas the dictator Jehovah gives no choice to most but makes them suffer.

- So is it lunacy or sheer stupidity that you profess your love to this sadistic, mass murdering, hypocritical, and wrathful god? I mean I wouldn't love a guy like that I don't care if he was god almighty he is still evil to the bone. Actions define a character, not their promises and words.

- Also do you honestly see it as the greatest bliss and reward of your blind following to get into heaven and SERVE your twisted lord for all eternity? Wow, count me out, I rather go somewhere else.

If you were offended, do not blame me, I did not create your bible, I did not create your religion, I just made an interpretation of it.

Also I would suggest any of you to study the history and the crusades. If those deeds were indeed committed in the name of god then well.. I will not say no more.

I am agnostic, so do not try to say I worship Satan or some shit, I don't care of either, I just care about REASON, JUSTICE, FREEDOM AND TRUTH

Have a good day sheep n wolves ;)







"do not try to say I worship Satan or some shit, I don't care of either"
I wont say it , you said it yourself --> "I am agnostic"

[fallensoul]

Orly?

"Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge; after Gnosticism) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, spiritual beings, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove and hence unknowable. [1] It is not a religious declaration in itself and the terms are not mutually exclusive. [2]"

Satan fits in where?

[godgoo]

I refuse to listen to other human beings so I can't take your shit seriously.

[fallensoul]

You mean you cannot refute any statements but instead you will ignore it all? Also.. one can only listen for so long until he has to reply back.

"The sheer ignorance and futility of it all, condemnation without investigation, is there no limit to your stupidity?" - Me

And believe me I have done my investigation, so now I feel im ready to tell my opinion, ofcourse I still have much to learn but I been researching everything I've gotten my hands into for quite some time now.

[stfd]

Orly?

"Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge; after Gnosticism) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, spiritual beings, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove and hence unknowable. [1] It is not a religious declaration in itself and the terms are not mutually exclusive. [2]"

Satan fits in where?

ah okay ,so youre more like an atheist correct?

[fallensoul]

No, there just has not been any authority coming to me and tell me and demonstrate to me that he rules/created/owns me or w/e. But if that day comes then well... if that creature comes "it" better prove it also, I mean really prove it.

Priest preaching about a "holy" book doesn't really convince me of anything..

I am not so arrogant as to say there is no supreme authority, but I can not prove it's existence either. Why waste my time and thoughts to an idea, when I can focus on the known.

[stfd]

No, there just has not been any authority coming to me and tell me and demonstrate to me that he rules/created/owns me or w/e. But if that day comes then well... if that creature comes "it" better prove it also, I mean really prove it.

Priest preaching about a "holy" book doesn't really convince me of anything..

I am not so arrogant as to say there is no supreme authority, but I can not prove it's existence either. Why waste my time and thoughts to an idea, when I can focus on the known.

Consider this:
A wise man once faced with the question of whether God did or did not exist judged as follows:
-If God doesn't exist and i believed i lost nothing.
-If, however God did exist and i did not believe i lost everything.

A wise fellow wouldn't you agree?

[fallensoul]

Consider this:
A wise man once faced with the question of whether God did or did not exist judged as follows:
-If God doesn't exist and i believed i lost nothing.
-If, however God did exist and i did not believe i lost everything.

A wise fellow wouldn't you agree?

Well it sounds wise if you are seriously afraid of God. But if there is some supreme love I doubt he wouldn't judge me depending on the amount or lack of worship towards him, but according to my life and deeds. If he indeed will punish me for not worshipping him throughout my life then I don't want anything to do with him.

The same way we discuss and use logic to reason about these things, the same way I would expect an supreme authority to reason with me when the time comes, not making me fear him in order to make me a worshiper. That doesn't sound right to me.

-If God doesn't exist and i believed i lost nothing. ^ Well you lost alot of time praying to no one and going to church and reading about lies.. so your whole life was based on a lie. I dunno sounds like a loss to me.. I wonder how this can fly over your head?

[stfd]

Well it sounds wise if you are seriously afraid of God. But if there is some supreme love I doubt he wouldn't judge me depending on the amount or lack of worship towards him, but according to my life and deeds. If he indeed will punish me for not worshipping him throughout my life then I don't want anything to do with him.

The same way we discuss and use logic to reason about these things, the same way I would expect an supreme authority to reason with me when the time comes, not making me fear him in order to make me a worshiper. That doesn't sound right to me.

What youre saying seems coolheaded and ballanced.
However to me smells as concealment/ocult.

Unfortunatelly you got certain parts wrong.
For example one technically can be a Christian without beying a Christian; that applies only to those 'who have not heard the word of God' however.

You see if one is baptized Christian, the sole act alone doesnt guarantee that the one person will become a good man. To become that is up to the man alone.

Therefore one can potentially be a Christian without even knowing.

It is a different story with one who DID 'hear the word of God' and CHOSE to deny it and be p r o u d instead of listening.
That one is guilty of the so called 'capital sin' - pride - which turned youre beloved Luci from the great angel of light to source of darkness and deceit.

[fallensoul]

What is your reply about the reasoning with this divine love, will he or will he not reason with me? How can I take pride in rejecting something I never seen. Only proof is the bible, and I already in the OP demonstrated clearly why I do not wish to have it as a proof, it makes no sense to me, being truth and love yet having so many twisted qualities.

You are dancing around the big questions here.

[stfd]

Well it sounds wise if you are seriously afraid of God. But if there is some supreme love I doubt he wouldn't judge me depending on the amount or lack of worship towards him, but according to my life and deeds. If he indeed will punish me for not worshipping him throughout my life then I don't want anything to do with him.

The same way we discuss and use logic to reason about these things, the same way I would expect an supreme authority to reason with me when the time comes, not making me fear him in order to make me a worshiper. That doesn't sound right to me.

^ Well you lost alot of time praying to no one and going to church and reading about lies.. so your whole life was based on a lie. I dunno sounds like a loss to me.. I wonder how this can fly over your head?


Got this one wrong too.
IF God did not exist and you have spent that time believing, you would have made a better man of yourself.
You would have become more loving(love your enemy) , more forgiving (forgive your enemy), more courageous (courage to stand for moral values) etc etc ... how is that a waste of time?

Now of course, if however God DID exist and you spent your life cherishing those things which HE says we must do then HEY - BINGO !

[fallensoul]

Well I am enjoying this, so thank you for all the replies. Let me hit you back with this one. If I had just learned those great things from the bible which there are and lived accordingly but not become Christian and never devoted more time to it. Then I would have saved lots of time, for example I could have every Sunday instead of worshipping the lie, go into the streets and feed the poor.

[stfd]

What is your reply about the reasoning with this divine love, will he or will he not reason with me? How can I take pride in rejecting something I never seen. Only proof is the bible, and I already in the OP demonstrated clearly why I do not wish to have it as a proof, it makes no sense to me, being truth and love yet having so many twisted qualities.

You are dancing around the big questions here.


"How can I take pride in rejecting something I never seen."
Do you actually see the air with your eyes? No
But you do feel it's touch and you see it blow the leaves of a tree right - THEREFORE - air DOES exist , only you cant see it with your eyes.

How about love, it obviously does exist, only you cant see it as it is a feeling.
You cant touch love, but you do touch one whom you love and then you feel it. So you KNOW it exists because you feel.


"What is your reply about the reasoning with this divine love, will he or will he not reason with me?"
Is so so simple... love your enemy as you love yourself, forgive all and everyone, keep nothing for yourself-share all with your fellows,stack no riches as you wont be takin any with you when the time comes, etc etc (see the 10 commandments) - THIS is the reasoning.
The Repayer of all judges like so and doesnt "reason with you" but "reasons in this fashion" .

[godgoo]

I am not religious, but I always thank the almighty for breakfast and water, I always say thanks for water :) it seems only right to be greatfull for these things, they are not to be taken lightly. anyone that thinks such things are not blessings to us, is insane. :)

Why do apples fall from trees if not for humans to eat? This is reality. We are being taken care of, something created this system and then created us to live within it. It's that simple, is it GOD or GAIA? I think maybe GAIA, and maybe she listens to thanks.

[stfd]

Well I am enjoying this, so thank you for all the replies. Let me hit you back with this one. If I had just learned those great things from the bible which there are and lived accordingly but not become Christian and never devoted more time to it. Then I would have saved lots of time, for example I could have every Sunday instead of worshipping the lie, go into the streets and feed the poor.


Well you are one whom has heard the "word of God" , all the info is at your disposal aka. (paraphrasing) ' who has eyes to see and ears to hear , use them' .

You arent from a 'lost' S American tribe who still hunts in the jungle (just and example).

So yea , if however you CHOSE to deny and reject- even knowing and beying completely aware- God 'knocking at your heart's door' well then ... if you dont open to that visitor perhaps another might be let in and damn that would suck.

[fallensoul]

You got your way with words, I can see how someone as well versed in rhetoric and debate could convert someone, but I will stand before my own words and opinions, and I will reject the religion, I am not rejecting anything or anyone, because I never saw the god or heard from him directly, thus I have not been able to reject him. I have handpicked some of the teachings which I see good and necessary, but I will never buy the whole thing.

[fallensoul]

But you do feel it's touch and you see it blow the leaves of a tree right - THEREFORE - air DOES exist , only you cant see it with your eyes.

How about love, it obviously does exist, only you cant see it as it is a feeling.
You cant touch love, but you do touch one whom you love and then you feel it. So you KNOW it exists because you feel.

This is semantics, I said I can not see it, fine, but I can not feel him either. Key word is in all capitals in your own post, I do not KNOW it exists, hence I am agnostic, as I earlier stated. We have come a full circle here my friend :)

[stfd]

You got your way with words, I can see how someone as well versed in rhetoric and debate could convert someone, but I will stand before my own words and opinions, and I will reject the religion, I am not rejecting anything or anyone, because I never saw the god or heard from him directly, thus I have not been able to reject him. I have handpicked some of the teachings which I see good and necessary, but I will never buy the whole thing.

I gotta add onother thing - quite a subtle thing actually.
It was after Jesus's Resurection.
All the Apostles were 'waiting' for Jesus to come back to them( as He told them He would after three days).

So He showed up in the house where they were all waiting. They obviously were shocked, appaled, happy, mesmerized, fascinated etc etc all those feelings at once - all in all very difficult situation.
One of them Thomas chose to speak up and say that he MUSt see in order to believe, he sais he could no comprehend and that needed tangible , palpable PROOF.
So there is was, Jesus told him (paraphrasing) ' touch where the nails made holes in my hands and where the spear went through my ribs' so Thomas did so and shocked he was because he could feel the wounds nad THEN he believed.

Jesus concluded blessing those that were to come (future generations) who would believe without seeying and without puttinf their fingers on His wounds.

[fallensoul]

Jesus concluded blessing those that were to come (future generations) who would believe without seeying and without puttinf their fingers on His wounds.

Now this requires belief, not knowing. Good debate all around tho, we will one day see who was right and who was wrong. Until then, all the best :)

[stfd]

This is semantics, I said I can not see it, fine, but I can not feel him either. Key word is in all capitals in your own post, I do not KNOW it exists, hence I am agnostic, as I earlier stated. We have come a full circle here my friend :)

i am no theologist not even a simple priest , i am trying to be myself a Christian (is quite difficult actually).

I think i understand now, you should have said 'feel' instead of 'see'.
I gues is called "cold heart sindrome" lol ( just jk).

Well then you need to warm it up a little.
Id sugest warming it up more then just a bit actually especially in the sense of potentially acepting the possibility oh God beying there waiting - for us all.

Maybe start by 'crawling' then perhaps , later switch to walking towards Him.

Hope it was a good conversation ( to me it was).

[fallensoul]

You were not afraid to challenge some serious questions so it was most pleasant to me also :) And as I said earlier to miracles, I am keeping the door open if someone wants to reach me thru it.. time will tell.

[charas]

The bible describes satan as exactly what the illuminati are doing eg rfid = mark of the beast and the british coat of arms matches the description of the beast.

Yet the God described has the characteristics of a djinn ie needing to be praised (energy) and being jealous, vengeful and punishing.
I don't think the true creator needs our energy but I could be wrong.

Anyone got any ideas on this?

[stfd]

You were not afraid to challenge some serious questions so it was most pleasant to me also :) And as I said earlier to miracles, I am keeping the door open if someone wants to reach me thru it.. time will tell.

hey np man !

time always tells, good luck to us all!

[fallensoul]

The bible describes satan as exactly what the illuminati are doing eg rfid = mark of the beast and the british coat of arms matches the description of the beast.

Yet the God described has the characteristics of a djinn ie needing to be praised (energy) and being jealous, vengeful and punishing.
I don't think the true creator needs our energy but I could be wrong.

Anyone got any ideas on this?

Good points raised here. My answer to your question is another question. Why would he need our energy? That would make him less than he claims to be.

[stfd]

Good points raised here. My answer to your question is another question. Why would he need our energy? That would make him less than he claims to be.

He doesnt need anything ( other that His children to come back to Him)... He is all already everything, is like saying infinite +1, what difference would that make?

He doesnt 'suck' anything out of people (wtf?!) where is that comming from lol ?

[godgoo]

You got your way with words, I can see how someone as well versed in rhetoric and debate could convert someone, but I will stand before my own words and opinions, and I will reject the religion, I am not rejecting anything or anyone, because I never saw the god or heard from him directly, thus I have not been able to reject him. I have handpicked some of the teachings which I see good and necessary, but I will never buy the whole thing.I reject the religion, no doubt. It is not the word of god, but the hands of men and the minds of Aliens. The truth is we are apart of a system that isn't well understood or atleast it's true nature is not well presented. God didn't create the earth neither did Aliens, the whole planet is an ET, that is of the highest order of life in the universe. We are an extremity of that turned bad in some cases,why? Once something is set in motion on this planet such as a species it is hard to stop, only another species can keep it's numbers down wether that be plant or animal. The cheetah once put in motion to hunt the gazelle will do until the gazelle is gone.

And does god create shapeshifters? No? god created man? (wrong). But we do and other species do, shapeshift over time. This isn't in the bible? So this system we are apart of constructs organism out of carbon and other elements, why? maybe to have an experience, then die and be consumed by the system again. The organics are dropped and consumed, the consciousness is transferred into other matter, no deposit of memory or personality.

The system is to change through time not to go back. Expansion and contraction and forward :) God and perceptions of GOD is due to alien intervention, whom are studying and are interested in the big picture, earth. Why would an Alien be interested solely in a human when we have a living planet? It's the planet mostly of interest. The planet is essentially our god, it is our mother. What ever it did, it did it well to a point beyond any capabillity of any god/gods in the sky, as gods/god words are questioned, nature (earth) does it and gets it right, really right beyond a doubt always. God hasn't stopped working, god is still active right now, with everything and everyone.

I don't believe in a soul (only the living soul). Or astral planes (no plane like the earth). I believe there is nothing to consider than the system at hand. which is about the renewal of matter, the constant rearrangement of material. constantly pushing forward, changing expanding and contracting, why? to express it's self to an end. the only way it can do this is by never looking back. (nothing goes back)

After death I believe a system such as EP may be the truth. This is more going forward, expansion and contraction. (forever change and renewal) Why would it go back? time doesn't go back it goes forward. The universe is speeding up, time is speeding up. Forward is the way never back. This is why I believe in EP or something similar. (this is why when you lose something it's gone for good)

Thats my concept of GOD and this system :)

Don't look for heaven for heaven is at hand, just look up :)

[fallensoul]

I reject the religion, no doubt. It is not the word of god, but the hands of men and the minds of Aliens. The truth is we are apart of a system that isn't well understood or atleast it's true nature is not well presented. God didn't create the earth neither did Aliens, the whole planet is an ET, that is of the highest order of life in the universe. We are an extremity of that turned bad in some cases,why? Once something is set in motion on this planet such as a species it is hard to stop, only another species can keep it's numbers down wether that be plant or animal. The cheetah once put in motion to hunt the gazelle will do until the gazelle is gone.

And does god create shapeshifters? No? god created man? (wrong). But we do and other species do, shapeshift over time. This isn't in the bible? So this system we are apart of constructs organism out of carbon and other elements, why? maybe to have an experience, then die and be consumed by the system again. The organics are dropped and consumed, the consciousness is transferred into other matter, no deposit of memory or personality.

The system is to change through time not to go back. Expansion and contraction and forward :) God and perceptions of GOD is due to alien intervention, whom are studying and are interested in the big picture, earth. Why would an Alien be interested solely in a human when we have a living planet? It's the planet mostly of interest. The planet is essentially our god, it is our mother. What ever it did, it did it well to a point beyond any capabillity of any god/gods in the sky, as gods/god words are questioned, nature (earth) does it and gets it right, really right beyond a doubt always. God hasn't stopped working, god is still active right now, with everything and everyone.

I don't believe in a soul (only the living soul). Or astral planes (no plane like the earth). I believe there is nothing to consider than the system at hand. which is about the renewal of matter, the constant rearrangement of material. constantly pushing forward, changing expanding and contracting, why? to express it's self to an end. the only way it can do this is by never looking back. (nothing goes back)

After death I believe a system such as EP may be the truth. This is more going forward, expansion and contraction. (forever change and renewal) Why would it go back? time doesn't go back it goes forward. The universe is speeding up, time is speeding up. Forward is the way never back. This is why I believe in EP or something similar. (this is why when you lose something it's gone for good)

Thats my concept of GOD and this system :)

Don't look for heaven for heaven is at hand, just look up :)

Wow that is a post with much wisdom, thank you. Gives me lot to ponder :O
What is EP? Earth Plane?

Also I can agree with GOD being this system and everything in it working towards something new constantly, not some figure thinking about creating people and stuff. I wouldn't even call it god, rather Creation itself. The figure portrayed in bible being god I can not digest.

[fallensoul]

He doesnt need anything ( other that His children to come back to Him)... He is all already everything, is like saying infinite +1, what difference would that make?

He doesnt 'suck' anything out of people (wtf?!) where is that comming from lol ?

I think he meant as in praying, going to church. Like literally using our energy for him.

[stfd]

I think he meant as in praying, going to church. Like literally using our energy for him.

Maybe he is watching lots of SF movies ?

[fallensoul]

SF movies?

[stfd]

SF movies?

SF as in science fiction movies;
like the Wraith is Stargate Atlantis were literally sucking life out of humans.

That kind of movies :D

[fallensoul]

Ooo, Stargate rocks!! :D

[godgoo]

It's reality, it is a huge ET beyond a doubt. There is alot of it you know, sigh.

I also have another theory, if humans do find a planet that is capable of harboring our own life, dont rush to step onto it? Or you may find that you will disassociate :)

[fallensoul]

It's reality, it is a huge ET beyond a doubt. There is alot of it you know, sigh.

You know I been studying everything I can, and thank you for yet opening my eyes to new ideas and viewpoints. Can't thank you enough, I mean it.

[godgoo]

It's reality, it is a huge ET beyond a doubt. There is alot of it you know, sigh.

I also have another theory, if humans do find a planet that is capable of harboring our own life, dont rush to step onto it? Or you may find that you will disassociate :)But relax everything is above board ;) HAHAHA!

[stfd]

Ooo, Stargate rocks!! :D

Yup it does, i have all the episodes SG1 and Atlantis AND the single movies too lol.

What does this have to do woth the thread ?!

Hehe is yours anyway :D

[fallensoul]

Yup it does, i have all the episodes SG1 and Atlantis AND the single movies too lol.

What does this have to do woth the thread ?!

Hehe is yours anyway :D

Hell yes, I got em all also, except for the movies. And I am watching SG1 right now :D

It's good to have some not so pressing things discussed in between the breaks :D

[stfd]

Hell yes, I got em all also, except for the movies. And I am watching SG1 right now :D

It's good to have some not so pressing things discussed in between the breaks :D

lol damn... im at work ffs :D

[fallensoul]

Still, no one tried to refute anything in the OP point by point yet. Gonna sleep now, check back here tomorrow.

[stfd]

Still, no one tried to refute anything in the OP point by point yet. Gonna sleep now, check back here tomorrow.

umm what exactly are you looking for?

[tjohn]

The abortion called ChristianityReligion does represent the abortion of humanity, I do agree. Therefore if we are going to survive, we need to abort religion!

[miracles]

;)


You had me at "the abortion called Christianity" :D

[miracles]

"do not try to say I worship Satan or some shit, I don't care of either"
I wont say it , you said it yourself --> "I am agnostic"

YOUR AGNOSTIC :confused:

Bro, whats happened, have these fools worn you down or what??

[aronia]

If you are of Christian faith I suggest you stop reading here, because I will either destroy your naive beliefs or make you seriously question your faith.



Here we go.

To be a Christian is to confess your undying love to a mass murdering, sadistic, jealous, hypocritical etc. god.

Your good and "loving" God,

- Says he created everything and everyone, yet when people don't like him he condemns them to eternal damnation, great guy.

- Sacrificed his only son, very loving indeed.

- Is a mass murderer of many, and all the proof is found in your "holy" book: (Special note if you justify this with justice, if god creates and sees n knows all why then create something and punish it, for the sake of it? Give me a break, someone really omnipotent and all that, if he indeed did it on purpose he would be a sick sadist)

Exodus 10, verse 27, "But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go." Then in verse 29; we read "And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of the Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle"

(Deut. 28, verse 16) God is made to say: "But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth."

(1 Samuel 6, verse 19) "And He smote the men of Bethsemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with great slaughter."

Hey I am already falling in love with this guy.. not.

- Created laws which apparently he is too good to follow himself, hypocrite to the bone.

- Forbids worship of anything else, jealous as hell

- What kind of father creates children then knowingly (since he knows everything) can send them to eternal torment? Damn I wish my dad was like that.. haha

- What kind of father can kill his own children for disobedience, or even if they are most devoted to him (Jesus) make them die a horrible painful death, seems like this guy will make you suffer either way

- Satan is allegedly the villain in the bible, yet there is no mention of Satan going on killing sprees or anything, counting by the body count and atrocities committed in bible, Satan seems alot nicer guy to me, he merely tempts and accuses, thus leaving the "victims" with a choice, whereas the dictator Jehovah gives no choice to most but makes them suffer.

- So is it lunacy or sheer stupidity that you profess your love to this sadistic, mass murdering, hypocritical, and wrathful god? I mean I wouldn't love a guy like that I don't care if he was god almighty he is still evil to the bone. Actions define a character, not their promises and words.

- Also do you honestly see it as the greatest bliss and reward of your blind following to get into heaven and SERVE your twisted lord for all eternity? Wow, count me out, I rather go somewhere else.

If you were offended, do not blame me, I did not create your bible, I did not create your religion, I just made an interpretation of it.

Also I would suggest any of you to study the history and the crusades. If those deeds were indeed committed in the name of god then well.. I will not say no more.

I am agnostic, so do not try to say I worship Satan or some shit, I don't care of either, I just care about REASON, JUSTICE, FREEDOM AND TRUTH

Have a good day sheep n wolves ;)

Don't confuse the average christian with the religious estblisment. They are mostly born into it or by there parents or there own choose.

[miracles]

Religion does represent the abortion of humanity, I do agree. Therefore if we are going to survive, we need to abort religion!

And abort religious people no doubt.

[fallensoul]

Still no justification on any of the points I raised, do you think these views are just plain false, or blasphemy or some shit? Your best reply is "god works in mysterious ways yadda yadda" Well that statement in itself speaks alot, why would a loving good God keep everything hidden from his disciples to make them doubt him all the time. Is he somekind of trickster? Does he like mindfucks? Is he playing some kind of "hey I won't tell you what my real agenda is, try n guess will ya?"

What is the reason?

Don't confuse the average christian with the religious estblisment. They are mostly born into it or by there own or there parents choose.

Well they should really know what they are part of before they accept it.. I bet their daddies were like, DONT QUESTION THE LORD, when they raised any of these important questions. Must be tough being programmed into a tool of slavery. It is called

Classical conditioning:

is the process of reflex learning—investigated by Pavlov—through which an unconditioned stimulus (e.g. food) which produces an unconditioned response (salivation) is presented together with a conditioned stimulus (a bell), such that the salivation is eventually produced on the presentation of the conditioned stimulus alone, thus becoming a conditioned response.

I can almost hear the bell ring when confronted with the more harder questions, hahaha, sheep and their bells :D miracles hardly ever does anything but ignores and assaults the messenger instead of the message. Classical conditioning at it's best. You obviously cannot control the salive coming from your mouth when your dear oppressor is blasphemed hahahahahahahahahahaha!

[stfd]

YOUR AGNOSTIC :confused:

Bro, whats happened, have these fools worn you down or what??

lol no i am still myself, it's fallensoul who claims is 'agnostic' i was anly quoting him.
I intend to remain Christian till i die.
no worries:D

[stfd]

Greetings 'fallensoul' how youve been?
You in the mood for some debate then?

[fallensoul]

I am eating and going to watch stargate, but I am always up for debate, just hit me with your best shot :D I will reply back when I get to it. And please do not take my "insults" personally, I just like to debate using these methods sometimes to see if I get emotional responses from the Christians who should be all forgiving and all :D

But stfd you have kept your shit together, respect for that :)

Oh and I been fine, just tired thats all :) you?

[stfd]

I am eating and going to watch stargate, but I am always up for debate, just hit me with your best shot :D I will reply back when I get to it. And please do not take my "insults" personally, I just like to debate using these methods sometimes to see if I get emotional responses from the Christians who should be all forgiving and all :D

But stfd you have kept your shit together, respect for that :)

Oh and I been fine, just tired thats all :) you?

heh good, im trying to keep it together ( quite hard sometimes)
check the other post - i replied there.

[tannah]

I can almost hear the bell ring when confronted with the more harder questions, hahaha, sheep and their bells :D miracles hardly ever does anything but ignores and assaults the messenger instead of the message. Classical conditioning at it's best. You obviously cannot control the salive coming from your mouth when your dear oppressor is blasphemed hahahahahahahahahahaha!

That's exactly his tactics. What he's protecting is a belief that won't stand up to scrutiny.

[miracles]

lol no i am still myself, it's fallensoul who claims is 'agnostic' i was anly quoting him.
I intend to remain Christian till i die.
no worries:D

Phew. :)

[novymir]

Well I am enjoying this, so thank you for all the replies. Let me hit you back with this one. If I had just learned those great things from the bible which there are and lived accordingly but not become Christian and never devoted more time to it. Then I would have saved lots of time, for example I could have every Sunday instead of worshipping the lie, go into the streets and feed the poor.

This might be of use to you:
"Religion Deception"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKDJE1zqphQ&feature=related

BTW, have you heard of the Cathars? Or other Gnostic type interpretions, whom were not guilty of the types of butchery/oppression that mainstream or Catholicism were used for. "Christianity" is generally misguided and used for nefarious purposes. It's about transfer of energy to a deity. An external(which is subversive) false"God", a usurper.

PS, if you want to know the TRUTH, seek(making it your reason for being), and you shall find. Truely. Absolutely, guaranteed. It will be revealed, It is only unawareness that limits Knowing. The TRUTH, is already with you, It is Within. The Creative Spirit of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE=TRUTH. That which conflicts with IT is Error-------- of course,,,,,,, the Real You already Knows that.

[fallensoul]

PS, if you want to know the TRUTH, seek(making it your reason for being), and you shall find. Truely. Absolutely, guaranteed. It will be revealed, It is only unawareness that limits Knowing. The TRUTH, is already with you, It is Within. The Creative Spirit of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE=TRUTH. That which conflicts with IT is Error-------- of course,,,,,,, the Real You already Knows that.

hey thanks for the heads up, But I already have been seeking the truth for most of my life, and have uncovered ALOT already, and the studying continues, so I can one day see it all in its glory :)

The Creative Spirit of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE=TRUTH That is a great thing to believe in, but this spirit doesn't have the necessary qualities to get rid of the evildoers and the scum on earth who exploit people precisely because they are too much like this spirit.

Scam this spirit -> he forgives you

kill his father -> he forgives you

be his enemy, exploit him -> he loves you

Lie to him as much as possible -> he forgives you and offers you the truth

It doesn't work like that, you dont get rid of the evil by doing nothing but believing in good things.. that will only make them stronger.

[novymir]

hey thanks for the heads up, But I already have been seeking the truth for most of my life, and have uncovered ALOT already, and the studying continues, so I can one day see it all in its glory :)

That is a great thing to believe in, but this spirit doesn't have the necessary qualities to get rid of the evildoers and the scum on earth who exploit people precisely because they are too much like this spirit.

Scam this spirit -> he forgives you

kill his father -> he forgives you

be his enemy, exploit him -> he loves you

Lie to him as much as possible -> he forgives you and offers you the truth

It doesn't work like that, you dont get rid of the evil by doing nothing but believing in good things.. that will only make them stronger.

You cannot get rid of "evil" in a polarized system, ever. Ever. In fact, the nature of a polarized/dualistic system is corruptive, "evil" will "win" by default. The only escape is to reject the validity of that system. It is the result of a disturbed mind, a would-be usurper.
It's not about doing nothing, and it's not about "belief", it's about Being.
When you judge(as in making a value judgement of another created life-form) another by your own standards, you are setting yourself up to be judged by ANOTHER's standard, to complain about that would be hypocrisy.
It is the behavior, not the person that should be judged or "condemned".

We are not the experience, we are each an experiencer. To allow the experience to define what we are is how this whole mess got started.
This polarity is the result of a mistake or accident, a separation from That Spirit, compounded now to the point of insanity. We are trapped within a predatory/parasitic paradigm, this was not the original design or intent of Creation. Creation is the result of LOVE+IMAGINATION.

What makes the "evil" stronger is to validate it's false-identity, and to confirm that those who are caught up in it have crossed the line of no return, that they/It are beyond redemption. At that point, why would they stop? How could they? They are caught up in an insane consciousness, they know not what they do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, because like most humans, they are caught up in a false-identity. They believe the virtual-reality to be "real".

When in "reality", "reality" is based on Pragmatism. As such, what kind of reality works for everyone? Well, of course, that which does not conflict with the Creative Spirit of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE=TRUTH. The original intent of Creation.
Free-will means risk of errors, accidents, and unintended consequences, why do we automatically assume evil intent for the original cause of our problems? Why?, because POLARITY requires it. But polarity(separation from Spirit/false-identity) is the original cause. Which can only be the result of a mistake etc, therefore, "IT/they" are not excersizing free-will, and neither is most of "humanity", because they/it and most of us are trapped within a false-identity. We must forgive, if we are to maintain free-will. Polarity/duality is insanity. Most can't even imagine an existence without it.

The Cure begins at the individual level-------------by example, others will see the possibilities. And the saneness will become self-evident. There is more than one consciousness active in "this world", and there is only One True ONE. And IT is aware and active NOW. This paradigm will be faded out of existence, the process will be easy and difficult depending on awareness of That Spirit, Within, and everywhere.

[fallensoul]

I read some of those Matrix books if you know about them and read alot about this polarity being illusion thing and how we shouldnt fight either side because its futile and pointless.

I agree with you that we should just be and discard the polarity. But If we are to do it we must first start small, we MUST get free from the slavement by the elite, then slowly as you said start to begin excercising this new way starting from the individual. But something must be done on the short term.

These concepts are way over most peoples heads and to even imagine them implementing it to their daily life is naive belief at best. We must get rid of everything that is blocking most peoples evolution to even began comprehending what you are saying. Ie religion, governments, etc, these things cannot remain if we are to start just being as you say. Because if these systems are to remain, they are way too polarized and people who reject the polarity will become even more easier victims, much like the good christians become martyrs. The world must become more good, before rejecting the whole polarity is possible. If we are so restricted it is hard to live without the polarity when your freedom is infringed in multitude of ways. People will see "the nondualistic way" as foolish at best when it is so exploitable ATM. But when conditions are better change can begin.

Only way to fight the "old" is via means of the old. It wont go away by us waiting and starting to live another way.

What I would like to suggest is we make a sacrifice and become even more evil than the evil now since you said evil will win regardless, and when we have rid ourselves of our enemy we will discard that side of us, and not become it. It sounds impossible, but it can be done. As police men can kill potential threats without becoming killers and murderers themselves.

Anyway good post, from you, got any thoughts on mine?

[novymir]

I read some of those Matrix books if you know about them and read alot about this polarity being illusion thing and how we shouldnt fight either side because its futile and pointless.

I agree with you that we should just be and discard the polarity. But If we are to do it we must first start small, we MUST get free from the slavement by the elite, then slowly as you said start to begin excercising this new way starting from the individual. But something must be done on the short term.

These concepts are way over most peoples heads and to even imagine them implementing it to their daily life is naive belief at best. We must get rid of everything that is blocking most peoples evolution to even began comprehending what you are saying. Ie religion, governments, etc, these things cannot remain if we are to start just being as you say. Because if these systems are to remain, they are way too polarized and people who reject the polarity will become even more easier victims, much like the good christians become martyrs. The world must become more good, before rejecting the whole polarity is possible. If we are so restricted it is hard to live without the polarity when your freedom is infringed in multitude of ways. People will see "the nondualistic way" as foolish at best when it is so exploitable ATM. But when conditions are better change can begin.

Only way to fight the "old" is via means of the old. It wont go away by us waiting and starting to live another way.

Anyway good post, from you, got any thoughts on mine?

Thanks,
well, it's going to come to an end, it's in the process right now. We and "them" are not all that has a stake in this...
Those that cling to "the old" are going to have the most trouble, and will probably be deceived longer. And yes, it will be difficult to witness, it is, right now, it sucks,,,, they don't "get-it",,,,,,,,, they're stuck.
It's a struggle, everything seems to be set up to block independence and freedom, but there are ways to work around the system, and substantially reduce compliance.

Awareness reduces/eliminates exploitation and deceit. All we can do is work on ourselves, and do what we can to support awareness in others. We cannot be much good to others until we have significantly healed ourself.

"They" cannot exploit me anymore, they cannot do anything to me, unless I fall for their deceit,,, based on presumption,,,,, and it extends beyond this "realm" of existence. The only thing I can trust and rely upon is my True-Self/Spirit connection with THE ONE, if something conflicts with It, it is error or illegitimate and has no validity to me. This is a SPIRITUAL struggle, the 1st thing people need to realize is True identity, at that point the tables are turned and vulnerability ceases to exist. I am preparing for what is to come, at the same time I am Being One, of THE ONE, with THE ONE. Always.

[stfd]

You cannot get rid of "evil" in a polarized system, ever. Ever. In fact, the nature of a polarized/dualistic system is corruptive, "evil" will "win" by default. The only escape is to reject the validity of that system. It is the result of a disturbed mind, a would-be usurper.
It's not about doing nothing, and it's not about "belief", it's about Being.
When you judge(as in making a value judgement of another created life-form) another by your own standards, you are setting yourself up to be judged by ANOTHER's standard, to complain about that would be hypocrisy.
It is the behavior, not the person that should be judged or "condemned".

We are not the experience, we are each an experiencer. To allow the experience to define what we are is how this whole mess got started.
This polarity is the result of a mistake or accident, a separation from That Spirit, compounded now to the point of insanity. We are trapped within a predatory/parasitic paradigm, this was not the original design or intent of Creation. Creation is the result of LOVE+IMAGINATION.

What makes the "evil" stronger is to validate it's false-identity, and to confirm that those who are caught up in it have crossed the line of no return, that they/It are beyond redemption. At that point, why would they stop? How could they? They are caught up in an insane consciousness, they know not what they do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, because like most humans, they are caught up in a false-identity. They believe the virtual-reality to be "real".

When in "reality", "reality" is based on Pragmatism. As such, what kind of reality works for everyone? Well, of course, that which does not conflict with the Creative Spirit of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE=TRUTH. The original intent of Creation.
Free-will means risk of errors, accidents, and unintended consequences, why do we automatically assume evil intent for the original cause of our problems? Why?, because POLARITY requires it. But polarity(separation from Spirit/false-identity) is the original cause. Which can only be the result of a mistake etc, therefore, "IT/they" are not excersizing free-will, and neither is most of "humanity", because they/it and most of us are trapped within a false-identity. We must forgive, if we are to maintain free-will. Polarity/duality is insanity. Most can't even imagine an existence without it.

The Cure begins at the individual level-------------by example, others will see the possibilities. And the saneness will become self-evident. There is more than one consciousness active in "this world", and there is only One True ONE. And IT is aware and active NOW. This paradigm will be faded out of existence, the process will be easy and difficult depending on awareness of That Spirit, Within, and everywhere.


Only it is not a polarized system.
In fact isn't even a "system'.

Sorry i jumped in but i couldnt see where you mentioned that your statement was- only your opinion-. I saw however where you said that the way you see it is how it actually IS.
Whith which i very much disagree.

[fallensoul]

It's a struggle, everything seems to be set up to block independence and freedom, but there are ways to work around the system, and substantially reduce compliance.

Awareness reduces/eliminates exploitation and deceit. All we can do is work on ourselves, and do what we can to support awareness in others. We cannot be much good to others until we have significantly healed ourself.

Agreed, this is what I am kind of doing with my life, giving them seeds of information that might sprout into further realizations. And I agree that "the others" are stuck, because they do not "get it". So even if they hear us talk about this, they do not see much difference in our lives on the outside level, but as you said the struggle is within, spiritual one. So they must first realize where the fight is fought before they can understand how it happens. They look for the answers from the outside and see really nothing of value and dismiss everything said as some nonsense.

"They" cannot exploit me anymore, they cannot do anything to me, unless I fall for their deceit,,, based on presumption,,,,, and it extends beyond this "realm" of existence.

I experience this freedom you speak of, but it doesn't in a way show on the outside, because I still play by the rules so to speak, but avoid the deception at all costs at the same time. They do not see the fight with their eyes because thats what they do when they look for answers. So we must open their minds, so they will be set free :P The old cliche is so true :D

[novymir]

Only it is not a polarized system.
In fact isn't even a "system'.

Sorry i jumped in but i couldnt see where you mentioned that your statement was- only your opinion-. I saw however where you said that the way you see it is how it actually IS.
Whith which i very much disagree.

Oh, well. I suppose I could have used any number of other words to communicate the same point(like maybe paradigm, structure, rules, laws?)..... which was the point.... the point, that is.

And of course, you are very free to disagree.

And come to think of it, I don't think I actually made a "statement", which has "legal" connotations attached to it. Nor was it opinion.
It was my translation of what I am aware of in terms hopefully understandable by some interested others.

[stfd]

Oh, well. I suppose I could have used any number of other words to communicate the same point(like maybe paradigm, structure, rules, laws?)..... which was the point.... the point, that is.

And of course, you are very free to disagree.

And come to think of it, I don't think I actually made a "statement", which has "legal" connotations attached to it. Nor was it opinion.
It was my translation of what I am aware of in terms hopefully understandable by some interested others.

aight :D